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     Zulu Side Hero Username: Zulu Post Number: 2225 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.68.181.197 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu, Intha Opika ga Detailed Reply chesinanduku Thanks | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5459 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
 Yes it is a choice ...just like faith in your doctor is...if you go with skepticism, you will question every diagnosis, nammakam unte you will take his word.... It is again a choice to the extent and boundaries of faith you place on that entity ...what part of that faith is sacrosanct and what you can modify ... These are all choices we make. A friend said this to me and I loved it ... "Seeing is believing , if I had not believed it , I would not have seen it" I believe in my Siva-Sakthi so I see their signs and signals in everyday happenings , a non-believer perceives the same events differently and even say a Christian/Muslim would read them differently Is any of us wrong - no Does believing in righteous, omnipotent God make life easier - yes it does - because we can pass the buck for all unpalatable/unfair things in our life to God's will and that he/she knows something we don't - and we have no way of understanding his logic - human beings need closure Instead of agonizing on problems we can blame it on God's sense of justice/humor and go on with our lives. The downside is it justifies fanatic acts in the name of God too in the minds of the perpetrators... Is it easy to make that leap of faith?- Depends on your disposition I do not believe in an omnipotent God defining our lives for us like puppeteer I believe we are where we are due to our past karma and we define where we will be by our current karma...I drew that line in the sand and defined a God acceptable to my mind - everyone arrives at their own formula of what works for them Try to figure out your own customised formula, instead of an off the shelf- omnipotent, righteous one and you may find it easier aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Bob Junior Artist Username: Bob Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 24.248.74.254 Rating: |
Movieanlyst: etla over come cheyyalo seppandri...suggest cheyyandi...ippudu 70% nasthik type 30% aasthik type lo vunna... complete 100% nathikudu avvali anedhi naa agenda.. Chaala mandiki ilage anipistundi. Daaniki karanam, manaki religions GOD ni introduce chesaayi kaani further entanedi clear gaa cheppaledu. Oka Hinduism (i am not sure about others) lo kontha details vuntayi kaani manam antha varaki vellamu. If thelusukuntoo pothe interest perigi mana goals (spiritual) set chesukuntaamu. Aa tharvatha mana life ki oka artham vundi further gaa aalochistamu. Appudu ilanti aasthik aalochanalu vundavu. Vundavu anedi mallee naa opinion. Vuntayya vundava anedi prati okkaru personalga decide chesukovaali. Daanki manam cheyyalsindi okkate mana knowledge ni spiritual subject meeda study cheyyatame. Ika bhayaaniki vaste, asalu bhayamanedi dooram pedithe ne edaina poorthi ga nerchu ko galam.... Manam enduku puttamo think cheste sagam pani poorthi ayinatle. | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 302 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 125.16.23.2 Rating: N/A |
one night disco miss ayyesariki..... taadu inta podavu perigindenti???? naa Anaarkali yedi?  anaarkaleee anarkaleeee....... | ||
| Zulu Side Hero Username: Zulu Post Number: 2224 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.68.181.197 Rating: N/A |
Is belief/Disbelief in God a Choice? Who wouldnt want to believe in an all powerfull Rightious God? Trust me, I am actually trying to be believer, It is not that easy. | ||
| Razesh Moderator Username: Razesh Post Number: 24699 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
aa 30% bhayam valla nuvvu aasthikudiga migilaavu ayithe....ippudu 100% nasthikudu ayinaa pellam pillalu vachaaka malli devudini nammuthaavu.... ledhu inka doubts vunnaayi ....andukey poorthiga maaralekapothunna antey.... Nuvvu start cheyyalsina modhati pusthakam...Vuri thiyyaboye rendu rojulu mundhu Bhagath Singh raasina "Naa chivari veelunama" .... Devudu manaki enduku avasaram ledho chepthundhi.....aa tarvatha oka clarity vasthundhi...chadivi opinion ettu....next book suggest chestha | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5454 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Ishan, I am still figuring out how many facets it has : aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 587 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.44.243 Rating: N/A |
Certain truths are timeless. When you understand them fully, you wouldn't have to change your stand in eternity. Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5453 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Because philosphy is fun aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5452 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
I fully expect to change my opinion with increased understanding over time But maybe you have reached the enlightened state where you do not expect to learn more and potentially change your stand Again different persectives aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 4199 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 98.231.138.194 Rating: N/A |
Ishan and Anand split personalities aa...aa smilies entandi idharu prathi sentence beginning and ending lo...jus kidding...a filler in between all the philosophy.... | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 586 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.44.243 Rating: N/A |
Incorrect. Again shows that you never understood or read my posts completely. I never said there is only one motivation for spiritual pursuit.
You could rather wait 100 years and I can assure my then stand right now. How about that? Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5450 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Yep - different perspectives, different filters...
More my style But that is a whole paradigm shift from your "trying to get away from the misery of illusion " which you have been espousing as the reason for spiritual pursuit
 No - but lets revisit it maybe a year from now and see where we stand aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 585 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.44.243 Rating: N/A |
And I dont see why you are unable to understand a simple logic which i tried to explain in multiple ways and multiple times How about just out of curiosity to know if there is a greater happiness? Did I say he wont be hungry? did I say he wont be miserable? You absolutely and blatantly misunderstood my point. If you carefully read my posts in this thread you will find the answer to that question. Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 16995 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 208.88.0.16 Rating: N/A |
coke neeku philosphy ekkuvavuthundhi....assalki nee age eti ee tofics eti....gammuga aa inkster flight club ki elli relax avvu....b4 u go crazyyyyy.... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5448 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
And why do you think it is satisfying ? Because it is the highest ego trip - being able to renounce/sacrifice - that we made that journey and acheived it Renunciation is different from not having a desire for more than you have... That no desire state of contentment is nirvana- you do not give up things - you just do not want them anymore- if you can understand the subtle difference aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11734 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: |
My point is renunciation is more satisfying than not having anything in the first place. Thats why we strive for knowledge and then strive to de-condition ourselves from that knowledge Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5447 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Because their survival depends on it Because we think status and wealth increases their chances of finding happiness- because the basic needs have to be fulfilled before self-actualization becomes a priority aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11732 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
need your valuable view on this thread Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 16991 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 208.88.0.16 Rating: N/A |
andharooo nasthik avvali...avvuthar for sure....time will sove everything... | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11731 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
 naa doubt clarify cheyatledu meeruTry try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5446 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
What I was doing is irrelevant. What is surprising is the way you perceived it..but that's an interesting reaction Why do you think I would need to do that ?
Possibly - because I still see a disconnect between what you are saying you understand and your reasoning for it
And once he finds self-realization he will not be hungry ? Or miserable when hungry ? I still do not understand the reason for pursuing happiness when you are happy Isn't it like telling a happy child - you should not be happy now cos you are going to be miserable in 2 hours Or teaching them discontent - oh what you have today is not real happiness - you will only be happy when you do x y z ? Isn't that contradicting the whole mantra of "be content " aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5444 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
No Mee knowledge test cheyyalsina avasaram naku emiti
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Takeitez Side Hero Username: Takeitez Post Number: 2341 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 70.85.16.16 Rating: N/A |
tammud, inka GOD vunnaka "personal" enti mana bondha, antha GOD chuskuntad  TakeitEZ! | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 322 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138 Rating: N/A |
ur relationship to GOD is your personal link; if you dont feel it, you dont have to be an aasthik. social pressure lo padi nammadam, after you are 21 is foolish. | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 581 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
Thank you. Glad you liked my post. But I am definitely not as articulate as you think...  I think the difference is same as that of knowing the path and walking the path. Same difference between being in love and in love. In all these cases, the first part is mixed with illusions of sub-conscious mind and passive and selfish. The actual 'in love' is an active, unselfish and real part. I got the point long time ago...may be you didn't understand my posts... bTW, were you testing my knowledge? because its pretty rude way of doing it Its not always the solution to the problem. Problems are not the only inspirations for pursuing self-realization. And his happiness is ephemeral...once he gets hungry in a couple of hours, he will cry his lungs out in misery. Yes. Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11712 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
So you think a mongolian child is happier than us? If yes, why do we want our children to be smart? . Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5443 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
Very true - but we bind ourselves out of shape with our ideas of perfection as fed by society and environment... We are born happy but society teaches us to be unhappy - telling us we can be happy only when we "acheive" something - we kill the joy we are born with and spend the rest of our lives trying to rediscover it And when we unlearn all the conditioning to live in the moment like that blissful child we come full circle aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11708 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: |
Reminds me of Vivekananda "We are already free and perfect" Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5442 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Think you got the point You always were, you are now - and will always be
Aaah , so he is happy But because misery is bound to happen some time , he should ignore the present happiness and quest for a solution to a problem that may happen in future
And when they realize that higher reality , they come back to realize thta they were the eternal peace in point 1 in the lower reality as well
Not accepting/ rejecting, same difference aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 2082 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2 Rating: N/A |
This is such a good post. easily the best one that I have come across in this DB. Ishan, what do u think is the difference between loving the oject and loving the thought of the object??? I have always felt that one can love the thought of an object only when he qualifies the object through his own discretionary faculties and the effects that it produces on them...but its hard to stop that line of thought there cuz then the line of demarcation between sanity and madness ceases to exist | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 2081 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2 Rating: N/A |
Man, u have a very articulate line of thought....aaj se aap ka fan hu mein.... I think that all that we experience everyday is just a manifestation of misery. True happiness is absolute bliss...ani jeeyar swamy cheppevaru | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 580 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38 Rating: N/A |
Life and death are for the body, not for you because you are not your body. When you realize your-self, you will realize that you were always that eternal peace. AS you said, he is ignorant. Misery for him is just a matter of time. No. People need this philosophy to realize that there is higher reality than what they are seeing through their senses now. "cannot accept" words are not correct, because they are already accepted it as the actual reality and are ignorant of higher truth. No. It helps him in rejecting the present reality/illusion and pursuing higher route of love. Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 578 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38 Rating: N/A |
Anthropomorphism and heinotheism are profoundly mentioned in earlier hymns of Rig-veda too. Its not alien to Hinduism. I think its an exaggerated form of dualism. But hinduism grew up and passed that stage as evidenced in the later proses of rig-veda. The concept of multi-verse is also existent in our puranas...I believe that when you reach different chakras during meditation, you will experience different dimensions. I am not well versed in sting theory apart from that I know its another form of multi-verse theory. I will be glad if you can throw more light on that. I am more staunch believer of advaitha, but I think visistadvaitha is very good tool to explain advaitha. Advaitha cant be 'explained' one hundred percent, most of the times it revolves in circles. No I havent read yogananda, all that i know is that he is a pioneer in kriya yoga. I will be glad if you can lay down his principles. Thanks for your inputs. Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5437 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
What is permanence ? Why are you striving for permanent happiness in a life that is ephemeral ?
Really ? Is a child who lives under an illusion that he is in a cocoon of safety , totally ignorant of the dangers around him blissful or miserable ?
You confirmed what I said , people need this philosophy when they cannot accept the present reality
That still does not make his lover or love an illusion , it just helps him accept the reality I am asking the questions for a purpose - try and think them through aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11642 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: |
i always thought v.adwaitam supports objective determinism. does it support illusion / curvature of space time? Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 2065 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2 Rating: N/A |
Almost the perfect illustration. Thanks. I will use this analogy moving further. The biggest trouble that most of us is that we are so freaking enamored of our existence and tend to associate so much to it. The western philosophy terms it as anthromorphic view of the universe and had been the corner stone of all the non relativistic cosmology which failed utterly. Eddington was the poineer of such nonsense in the 1900's. What GTR announced was that the local bending of space time induces relativistic effects of time and space..Quantum multiverse theory actually takes this idea further and establishes the fact that even if the curvature effects of time were to be discounted and inclusion is provided for complete timeless frame of reference, the absolute nature of truth is actually a superposition of infinite state spaces. Westerners again were quick to use this lax ststement to their advantage and state that since there are infinite multiverses, what one perceives is actually the one that is relevant. But the glaring flaw in such a statement is that it assumes collapse of the cosmological potential along other state spaces which was proven to be untrue and hence string theory has been trying hard to reconcile this to their standard intrepretation of the world. For once, I can safely tell that string theory is a prolonged joke and will never reconcile true nature of being with the analytic state spaces. Your thought process is very similar to vishishta dwaitha....where the notions of deha branthi and atma swarupa are laid down.... did u by any chance read swami yogananda's guide to self realization?? | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 577 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.44.243 Rating: N/A |
It depends on the individual. Happiness caused by the senses is temporary. If you want to experience more long lasting happiness, you have to go beyond senses. Illusion is temporary and so is the happiness coming from it. Reality is permanent and so is the happiness coming from it. If you take the world as it is, majority of population needs this philosophy...look at the common perils in our society...a man loves woman and vice versa for years together...finally she dumps him for another man...and that guy becomes an alcohol or tobacco addict or he throws acid on to her face or he spoils his career...hurting his family members and friends...and thus the sorrow spreads...and so on...a long list of perils...if some one follows the real nature of love...these things wont happen...hence ability to discriminate the truth vs illusion is extremely useful at individual level and hence, at society level.
meeru literlga teeskunnattunnaru ikkada...No body is better than any other in the true sense...the difference is that the child attached him self to the illusion and thus the fear...that guy realized the real nature of the object and hence no fear...great deal misery comes by living under illusion...in other words, the child was following lower truth and that guy, higher truth. You can draw the line by the effects it produces...taking the above example of love...if that man realizes the secret of true no-return expecting technique of love...he would never feel misery even after she dumps him...he forgives her immediately or he doesn't even recognize that she made an error...That happens only when you have understood and realized that one-ness. Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5414 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Is it the whole reality ? It is not - it is a small visible piece of a tree that has a huge system of roots underground... So the person who sees it as a stump - how is he better off than the child or the guy ? How and when do you draw the line that you have seen the whole reality and what does that get you ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5413 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
I am asking a more profound question - does it matter ? Or even should it matter ? If so how ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 572 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.44.243 Rating: N/A |
second part is contradicting the first part...Yes there is only one reality, but it 'appears' to be changing...because of the changing states of the consciousness...there is a little stump of a tree. What does the child see? A ghost, with hands stretched out, ready to grab him. Suppose a man comes from the corner of the street, wanting to meet his sweetheart; he sees that stump of the tree as the girl. A policeman coming from the street corner sees the stump as a thief. The thief sees it as a policeman. It is the same stump of a tree that was seen in various ways. The stump is the reality, and the visions of the stump are the projections of the various minds... So we are seeing the reality through different filters which is masking the true nature of the reality and giving the illusory effect. Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5412 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
VEry true - so at any level of consciousness- the perception in that level consciousness is reality and everything else above and below is an illusion There is only one reality - one that you perceive at the present instant aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 571 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.44.243 Rating: N/A |
The idea of reality is dependent and changes based on your perception...we see the world through senses and mind...and we know there is higher consciousness than mind...so mind is another stage of consciousness...that means the perception through that mind is also just another stage and not the ultimate reality... Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5410 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
If a transmission from a TV station in NY can reach Hyd - why can thought not travel ? If thought is focussed to laser focus , it becomes intent /Will...
Now you are adding another variable - reality or illusion - why does it need to be seen as an illusion ? What is wrong with perceiving it as reality unless you have trouble accepting reality ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 570 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.44.243 Rating: N/A |
No, that's not the concept of oneness. Omniscient nature of soul should not be conceived as the infinite in the sphere of space and time. If you understand infinity as in space from one point to another, then you cant grasp the infinite nature of the soul. When world itself is an illusion, then accident is part of it. Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11509 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
Yes. But I am not able to practically understand it. theorotically, you are responsible for some accident that happens in another country How anedi ardham ayite....ade ultimate knowledge anukuntunna Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5409 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Agree ... Cocanada begining lo "nothing happens without the will of the Supreme Consciousness" annaru .. That assumes an omnipotent whole with a "Will" and "Ability to execute" Was trying to validate that idea....aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 568 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
Power is a relative term...power on what? and what power? when there is no reference point to compare, it stands alone. I would be more comfortable with the word omnipresent than omnipotent. The ability of prediction should be considered when you dont know the outcome, but when you know the result, why do you have to predict in the first place. Do individual wills exist?...may not be...may be its the whole that is masked by nature...then what is nature?...is it the same whole or different...may be we are in an illusion that we are independent wills...may be we are all the same thing appearing differently because of the illusion...ento anthaa maaya. Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5406 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Extend that line of thought a little further ... Does it really jell with the definition of an omnipotent power ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 566 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38 Rating: N/A |
I was inquiring Coconada's perspective. My thinking is that its not independent or dependant and its not the summation, its the only one that is existent. It doesn't have to have any ability to predict or the need to predict...because it is the formula, it is the substitution and it is the outcome. Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 3631 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
On a lighter note - we keep improvising ... haven't you heard of "Cell phone Vinayaka, Satalite Vinayaka, iPod Vinayaka" etc ? If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5401 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
I am not sure that is true.I mean , I agree there is a cosmic consciousness and that it is a summation of the individual parts, but is it an independently acting entity ?
Just because there is a collective set of wills , and the wills are a part of whole - the whole does not necessarily have the same attributes as the parts A cell is not the same as the body Does the whole have the ability or even the need to predict or is it just happy exisitng? We may never know ...what we are doing is trying to create God in the image of man with the abilities of man due to the limitations of our knowledge Analogous extension is a tool for philosophy
I did not refute what you said about an RE - don't think I communicated clearly enough aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 551 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.92.205.44 Rating: N/A |
Is the collective will a collection of individual free wills? Or are they two distinct entities? Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11471 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 99.62.130.238 Rating: N/A |
freewill is the ONLY input will is an attribute of conscious entities all the conscious entities are connected there is something called collective will that is propelling the universe forward faith (in god, or in oneself) is important because intention has power Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 550 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.92.205.44 Rating: N/A |
SO , If I understood your concept correctly, we do not posses enough knowledge to predict the outcomes of events in this universe, but there is a consciousness that possess that ultimate knowledge and can predict the outcomes, right? Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11469 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 99.62.130.238 Rating: N/A |
saame to saaame thought process.. thank you very much Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 112 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
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కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 111 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
On the other hand I completely agree with Don Knuth's interpretation: ------- Donald Knuth, a Stanford computer scientist and Christian commentator, remarks that he finds pseudorandom numbers useful and applies them with purpose. He then extends this thought to God who may use randomness with purpose to allow free will to certain degrees. Knuth believes that God is interested in people's decisions and limited free will allows a certain degree of decision making. Knuth, based on his understanding of quantum computing and entanglement, comments that God exerts dynamic control over the world without violating any laws of physics, suggesting that what appears to be random to humans may not, in fact, be so random.[7] కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 110 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
Please check this out, an exerpt from wikipedia. I felt that this is close to your thought process. Enjoy! ------ Randomness versus unpredictability Randomness, as opposed to unpredictability, is held to be an objective property - determinists believe it is an objective fact that randomness does not in fact exist. Also, what appears random to one observer may not appear random to another. Consider two observers of a sequence of bits, when only one of whom has the cryptographic key needed to turn the sequence of bits into a readable message. For that observer the message is not random, but it is unpredictable for the other. One of the intriguing aspects of random processes is that it is hard to know whether a process is truly random. An observer may suspect that there is some "key" that unlocks the message. This is one of the foundations of superstition, and is also a motivation for discovery in science and mathematics. Under the cosmological hypothesis of determinism, there is no randomness in the universe, only unpredictability, since there is only one possible outcome to all events in the universe. A follower of the narrow frequency interpretation of probability could assert that no event can be said to have probability, since there is only one universal outcome. On the other hand, under the rival Bayesian interpretation of probability there is no objection to the use of probabilities in order to represent a lack of complete knowledge of the outcomes. Some mathematically defined sequences, such as the decimals of pi mentioned above, exhibit some of the same characteristics as random sequences, but because they are generated by a describable mechanism, they are called pseudorandom. To an observer who does not know the mechanism, a pseudorandom sequence is unpredictable. Chaotic systems are unpredictable in practice due to their extreme sensitivity to initial conditions. Whether or not they are unpredictable in terms of computability theory is a subject of current research. At least in some disciplines of computability theory, the notion of randomness is identified with computational unpredictability. Individual events that are random may still be precisely described en masse, usually in terms of probability or expected value. For instance, quantum mechanics allows a very precise calculation of the half-lives of atoms even though the process of atomic decay is random. More simply, although a single toss of a fair coin cannot be predicted, its general behavior can be described by saying that if a large number of tosses are made, roughly half of them will show up heads. Ohm's law and the kinetic theory of gases are non-random macroscopic phenomena that are assumed to be random at the microscopic level. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 287 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.164.92.67 Rating: N/A |
nidra pattaledu boss ninna ni8 diso ki | ||
| Coolpix Legend Username: Coolpix Post Number: 32239 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 68.196.76.246 Rating: N/A |
Raama Kadha ni vinarayaaa. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lvVNCHhAt0  | ||
| Coolpix Legend Username: Coolpix Post Number: 32238 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 68.196.76.246 Rating: N/A |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kn7nfDZ2No Jai Jai..Jai Ganeshaa...Jai..jai...Jai...Ganeshaa...  | ||
| Coolpix Legend Username: Coolpix Post Number: 32237 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 68.196.76.246 Rating: N/A |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qmtseldmJU&feature=fvw Jai Sri Ram.. | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 109 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
anTE random may mean random but the word random is not random anTaava? కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Coolpix Legend Username: Coolpix Post Number: 32236 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 68.196.76.246 Rating: N/A |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYRQZXsNN4&feature=related | ||
| Coolpix Legend Username: Coolpix Post Number: 32235 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 68.196.76.246 Rating: N/A |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kREp3KTkbic&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX46StolFY0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kk75_z9z0M God is Great.. | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11452 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 71.206.101.169 Rating: N/A |
yes thats because inputs vary and conditions vary. but the process is not random. Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 108 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
It is based on the axiom that no human on earth can toss a coin with its next outcome predictable. In vacuum tossing a coin is not defined to be RE, it could be RE. The outcome changes as we all know. In vacuum the coin with the initial force moves indefinitely until it hits an object which again random. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 106 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
We are not talking about a generic event here, but about an RE which is perfectly defined. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11438 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 71.206.101.169 Rating: N/A |
no i will never ever imply that god is external u never responded to my previous question how can you call behavior of a coin random? it is governed by laws of physics. if someone gives you all the inputs like torque applied to the coin, density, weight of the coin etc. can we not calculate? the only random thing in the whole experiment is input if you conduct experiment in vaccuum, with same inputs, results will be same. right? Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5400 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Think we are going in circles An event can happen independent of reference points or Observers and it can be a random event. But for it to be identified scientifically as Random/predictable we need the external reference/observer-human or otherwise. So how can the Advaitic Universe devoid of these reference points ever be determined to be Random or predictable ? Does not mean it is one or the other Have to go will continue later maybe...
Chala baaga chepparu aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 105 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
No! RE is RE even if there is no observer to witness the outcome. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5399 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Only if there is an observer, right ? That was the gist of Coke's question - I think you got his point based on your next post
Nice to meet you - don't think we have ever discussed before Meeru India lo untara ? Inta late ga dbing aa
Don't stress out - most of the time I am laughing at myself..here's something to ponder over "Those of you who think you know everything are very annoying to all of us who do " Have a good weekend guys aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 546 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.92.205.44 Rating: |
When you believe in a system, it hurts to see people groping in dark because of wrong information. Its the responsibility of every theist to educate the people and eradicate superstitions...baaga cheppanaa? Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 545 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.92.205.44 Rating: N/A |
mee jokes reader's digest jokes laaga untaayandi...nakeppudu first time chadivinappudu artham kaavu...oka ganta ayinanka appudu arthamayyi navvukunta...j/k Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 104 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
Cocanada questions anni reel thippitE naaku tana kavi hrudayam koncham arthamainaTTu anipistondi. Cocanada: Universe either can be random or governed ( I was little puzzled) Cocanada: There can be someboy who can predict the outcome of tossing a coin (little bit shocked) Cocanada: Random w.r.t., who? (I was totally bewildered) nEnu oohinchindi correct aithe, what Cocanada might be thinking is that Tossing a coin might be an RE for humans like me but not for God who is sitting outside of this system and disconnected with this system. So God can predict the outcome of tossing a coin with certainty. Bossu if that is what you are thinking then let me admit, mathematical definition of Random Experiment is only limited to humans. We cannot just apply to God which is not defined scientifically. In fact human is also not defined scientifically, but mathematics assumes is that a human cannot toss a coin with predetermined outcome. It's all relative to humans. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 102 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
There can be predictable observations and unpredictable ones. A watch is a predictable device which chimes at the top of every hour. If an umpire tosses a coin one cannot predict its outcome. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 101 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
maree intha generalize chesthe adhi maths ela avutundi? No! Certainly no one is responsible for all the events in the universe, but randomness does not imply that. Randomness talks only about outcome of an experiment which is unpredictable, but we are responsible for conducting that RE. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 282 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.164.72.183 Rating: N/A |
same pinch | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 280 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.164.72.183 Rating: N/A |
No boss.. I respect the concept of multiverse | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5397 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
I know - I was not laughing at you I was just ensuring we keep the referential integrity w.r.t time intact in the thread I have a strange sense of humor  aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 279 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.164.72.183 Rating: N/A |
why/what/how ???? | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 543 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
Yes, but thats the duty of theists too. In fact theists have more responsibility on that. Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 277 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.164.72.183 Rating: N/A |
Can I expand the concept of God and apply the same to the God itself? I meant.. Is it ok if I assume.... God creates/starts everything. => God creates God => There exists infinite no. of Gods Gods will be governing our universe (level one) Gods of level one will be governed by Gods of level two Gods of level two will be governed by Gods of level three and so on?? | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 542 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
Who says you got to stick to one thing. We discuss here, we listen to other people's perspectives and eventually we get more knowledge and the wisdom to view various philosophical concepts from different angles and we grow as time goes by. Avuna may be...I am relatively young in this DB. Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5395 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Agree - but can a solitary system ever be determined to be predictable or unpredictable ? If so how ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 276 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.164.72.183 Rating: N/A |
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| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11431 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
nannu AOR batch ani decide chesesavaaa Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 271 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.164.72.183 Rating: N/A |
annayyaa nuv feel kaanu ante cheptaa... this sounds like... "kotta lokam yeppudu nirmistaavu" kinda question from the movie that stars charmi, jagapati babu | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 270 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.164.72.183 Rating: N/A |
The role of an atheist is not to simply deny the existence of the God. His role is to block the unwanted things that are related to worshiping the God. for eg. prayer halls in the middle of a road inter religious violence etc. | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11429 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
yes i think there are no exceptions Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 269 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.164.72.183 Rating: N/A |
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| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11428 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
variable ante...not in the sense of mathematical variable Tell me this. We conduct an experiment in vacuum We use flip a coin by using a machine. with same force everytime. Will the outcomes be different each time? Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 268 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.164.72.183 Rating: N/A |
Does this apply when I have a very strong intention to move our Earth a little farther from Sun to reduce the temperature? | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 267 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.164.72.183 Rating: N/A |
The very recursive statement itself mentions that God may not(necessarily) function as per your belief | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11427 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
The implication of randomness is that you are not responsible for all the events in the universe. Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 266 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.164.72.183 Rating: N/A |
e power i 2pi minus one is equal to zero. Hence God Exists | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 100 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
Even if you are talking about two sets tending to Infinity independently they ought to tend to the same Infinity. Nonetheless I don't see any mathematical validation to Anand_n's explanation. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 98 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
Randomness is essentially unpredictability apart from those qualities. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 265 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.164.72.183 Rating: N/A |
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| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 97 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
yes! konni sarlu discus cheshalu with my old id dolby_digital tho. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11425 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
thx anand garu. hope i will grow in positive direction ;) Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5394 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Change is growth - if you cannot change your mind what is the point of having one ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11423 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
bhayam my beliefs keep on changing. i can not stick to anything. "monna alaa annaventi" ani adugutaaru ani bhayam Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 264 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.164.72.183 Rating: N/A |
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| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5393 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
 Malli absolute term Your "never" is a function of the time you have been in the DB Idivaraku discuss chesaru - Coke I know for sure I think dts too aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11421 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
yes thats what i mean Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5392 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Allow me to interpret Randomness implies an ability to act independently of any other influence/entity... This can be validated only if there are two variables and one acts independent of the other.. A system is when all internal components are connected to each other or the system... If advaita professes a single system - over unlimited time, there is no scope for ramndomness within the system and no way to validate/negate randomness of the system itself Did I add more confusion ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 96 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
I really don't know who defined this! If God stated a RE (random experiment)then God is also progressing with the so called "unconnected conscious entities", w.r.t., time, hence God is part of that system. No dualism there. I don't think I got you correctly, if not can you put your abstract idea in a concrete form so that a layman like me can understand? కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 537 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38 Rating: N/A |
Db la intha mandi philosophers unnaarani eppudu theliyadu...why didnt you guys never participate in such discussions before? Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11418 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
 nenu ostanaa nuvvu padaTry try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Lionswalkalone Side Hero Username: Lionswalkalone Post Number: 5488 Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 70.209.128.67 Rating: N/A |
antaa midhya | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11417 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
I am not able to explain now but the same thought process led me to these conclusions about advaita and randomness. Let me try if there can be random events, it means that there are lot of unconnected conscious entities. every one has complete freewill. God is an external entity and he started this random experiment and no one is completely responsible for the outcomes. that is exactly opposite of advaitam Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 95 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
naa explanation ki randomness ki sambandham emundi saami? nenu adwaitam guninchi maaTlaaDaanu aa post lo. randomness oosethaledu. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11415 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
OK. Are you convinced with my explanation that randomness is not possible? Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5391 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Nirvana/Kaivalya is when you can do it because it is the right thing to do without regard to the consequences - good or bad Appudu karma kuda accrue avvadu...This is the target state of all spiritual pursuit As long as you do any action with an end result in mind you accrue karma - good or bad But moksha only happens when your karmic account sheet has zero balance
Did I contradict you when you said this ? I agree - religion and theism are tools that can possibly help you to reach that state but they are NOT the only tools available to get there Ee chinna truth ardham avute inni arguments undavu ... it is because people argue that my way is the only or best way that we have all these conflicts aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 94 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
Thank you. Your post on iccha shakti, gnana skahti and kriya shathi is very motivating! No doubt theism and atheism are both two beautiful ways of leading life if one understands the essence of what one is following. E.g. As I always tell everybody, the essence of Satyanarayana vrata is not just performing a pooja and offering dakshina but to speak and abide by truth all the time. The entity "Truth" has been personified and ascribed the Godly status of "Satyanarayana". So here theism is a way to attain the state of "Truth" which can be done very well as an atheist.
The concept of advaita and dvaita are really intricate and confusing. But good thing is they are very close to mathematics. Mathematicians proved that there won't be two infinities, let us say, Real Number set is infinite and so does its subset Natural Numbers, one might think that Real numbers as a super set tends to Infinity which is greater than the Infinity that Natural number tend to, but that is proved to be wrong. There cannot be two infinities. If you saw Rajinikanth's Movie Baba, there is a beautiful opening Sanskrit verse by Veda Vyasa which essentially conveys the aforesaid theory. EkamEva dwiteeyam, eko devah sarvabhootantartam, eka bhaasha jeevakaryna roopa.. EkamEva dwiteeyam means, the second one is nothing but the first one, i.e. the second infinity is nothing but the first infinity. Thus proving adwaita. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 261 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.164.72.183 Rating: N/A |
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| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11411 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
I am not able to explain now but the same thought process led me to these conclusions about advaita and randomness. Let me try if there can be random events, it means that there are lot of unconnected conscious entities. every one has complete freewill. God is an external entity and he started this random experiment and no one is completely responsible for the outcomes. that is exactly opposite of advaitam Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 260 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.164.72.183 Rating: N/A |
egg-jakt-lee in fact... bhagavat geeta chadivina tarvaata nenu naastikudini ani fix ayipoyaa | ||
| Arjun1234 Comedian Username: Arjun1234 Post Number: 1505 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 198.241.217.15 Rating: N/A |
super quote babai...
Doing good and expecting good in back... we can argue this in many ways anukunta So if someone is doing a good Job at work... is he doing it because he is expecting a promotion or he is doing good because that is what he really wants to? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5389 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 32.169.14.251 Rating: N/A |
Der, You still did not answer why belief in god is necessary to do your duty without expectations aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Powerfull Side Hero Username: Powerfull Post Number: 3182 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.130.2.52 Rating: N/A |
Der brother, endhuku avesam? | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 2012 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 24.0.97.120 Rating: N/A |
Absolutely naive questions...these questions can be turned on their head...and be pointed at Atheism.... as DTS said, asking the question whether there exists god is the most nonsenical approach to philosophy either scientific or the other.......much better intellectuals have kneeled before the enormity of proving otherwise....cuz it comes with the shortcoming of defining what God is....... | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 2011 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 24.0.97.120 Rating: N/A |
for once try to see someone else's statements with out trying to qualify them with ur notions............. I said..true devotion is a state of zero expectation.....yes we do things in line with the righteousness associated with that of God but not with the fact that he would appreciate it..... U have to start the line of reason by the fact that GOD wants you to stick to the right way of living...One is not doing himself a favor or God a favor by doing so....It is the way to live....when one realizes it, the relationship bte God and us is not that of appeasaser and appeased...God for me is like a beacon..all he does is to always show you the right way...whether u follow it or not is ur prerogative.....but then be prepared to face its consequences... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5388 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Good post
How do you know this ?
You made the statement.Do you have the data to prove it ? Can you prove pure Theism is NOT a myth ? And what makes you think belief in God is a prerequisite for people to distinguish between right and wrong ? Karma without expectations - your deeds come back to you - again no dependence on belief in God there either If people do the right thing because of their belief that God expects it - it is still acting with expectation - of reward or rettribution...it is not acting without any expectations You are countradicting your own arguments aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5387 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
 ...Missed seeing this post... Hope to see you back soon - - divorce over beef thread lo mee kosam posts vesanu ninna - ROM lo unte chudandi aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 93 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
maarjalaM ki artham aDigiTE biDaalaM annaTTu undi boss nee explanation. Your thought professes profound philosophical pursuit, but please consider putting it in a direct and up to the point instead of aggrandizing the point. Whether or not true atheists or theists exist is completely up to an observer. When you talk about observer, then you are talking about "relativity" not "randomness". I think that's where Cocanada is arriving at. Also Randomness is nothing to do with Adwaita (non-dualism) or Dwaita (dualism). The initiator basically seems to be a theist who want to detach him/her-self from God. My answer to it was, the fact that someone is theist or not is immaterial to God. Remember, God is not dependent on us. It is we (theists) who pray God in return for something. The question of whether or not God exists is a void question. To answer this question one needs to first define God, which is not that obvious to do. For me God in every form, e.g. My parents, the Sun, Earth, .... Lord Rama, Jesus, Allah etc, basically I define somebody or something as God who/which does good to other without expecting anything in return. Having said, do I need to pray all time just because they did good? Its up to me. It does not hurt them whether or not I pray them. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5385 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
Now let me give you the otherside of the argument... I am a total believer... But I do not blame my Mother Goddess for my problems nor do I expect returns for my bhakti... what I look to her for is guidance to help me lead my life the right way..and I get it ... It probably is my own subconscious Self giving me those answers, or it is my consciousness aligning with universe to read those signs - I chose to call it my Mother Gauri ... She is my Guru , the lifeforce in me and my destination... And if she is in me , she is in everyone else too. If they chose to call it by a different name - it does not change the fact that the force exists - An atheist calls it his will power, his intellect , his conscious and subconscious mind ...either case there is no passing the buck to an external entity, it is either your karma (action ) or random events that drive your life... I see the force as my Mother Gauri...it is just a question of what form of visualisation works for you .... The dichotomy comes for people who see theism in puppeteer and puppet forms - God is the puppeteer and people are his puppets .. Then it becomes - how can a puppeteer let his show go so wrong ? why is he/she punishing me for no fault of mine etc... Devotion does not mean palming off responsibility .... As I have quoted a favorite prayer many times ... Grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change The courage to change what I can And the wisdom to know the difference It is to give me the ichcha sakti(the will), the kriya sakti(the courage to act)and the gnana sakti(the wisdom) to do the right thing Religion and practices came together to help people lead good lives socially,physically and psychologically Different people have different psychological needs hence the variety of options for belief systems aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Methhanithodugu Junior Artist Username: Methhanithodugu Post Number: 514 Registered: 12-2008 Posted From: 59.93.75.132 Rating: N/A |
Hello Guru Movieanalyst Where are you ??? Actually Why You Wanted to be 100% NaS ??? But Why ??? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5383 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Deeniki answer telisinavallu eppudu Atheism is wrong ani vadincharu Theism/atheism are both beliefs because none can be proven... edo oka pakka full ga namminavadu will realise his full potential - it is the people in between who have difficulty Atheists believe completely in themselves, theists believe completely in God... Advaita says they are one and the same - so where is the conflict ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Film_fan Side Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 7787 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
Jharkhand elections lo BP gelvaali......Shaw brother raavali.....idhi naa korika.... "Any one who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new" - Einstein | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 3996 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
@Shawshank enti ala vellipothunaav thammi...anyways weekends ayina wastuu undu...good luck! | ||
| Film_fan Side Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 7783 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
Shawshank.....maa kushi time lo....ila vellipovatam bagoledhu..... Rest mee deepavali in china border..... "Any one who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new" - Einstein | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 253 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.97.226.7 Rating: N/A |
Then what is devotion about???? | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 252 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.97.226.7 Rating: N/A |
I used to overlook ur posts boss. All my opinions on internet DB'ing were reconsidered after watching your standards. internet lo movie fans disco ante.. buutulu tittukovadam yegataali cheskovadam maatrame anukunnaa... but nee posts lo vunna standards ki naa kaalaa( I love black) salaaam annayyaa | ||
| Shawshank Side Hero Username: Shawshank Post Number: 5142 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 76.29.126.37 Rating: N/A |
again .. well said bro .. most of the times .. you are spot on ! Free Tibet ... | ||
| Shawshank Side Hero Username: Shawshank Post Number: 5141 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 76.29.126.37 Rating: N/A |
this is in reference to another thread ! CJ annai ki all the best ikkade cheptunna ! Nenu konnallu DB ki dooram ga undaam anukuntunna .. so hope you all have happy times ... Bye for now ! Free Tibet ... | ||
| Shawshank Side Hero Username: Shawshank Post Number: 5140 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 76.29.126.37 Rating: N/A |
Very true bro .. Aptly put in 2 sentences! BTW .. ninna edo thread lo .. ELCA annada ani adigaaru meeru .. ofcourse anadam aithe annadu .. but nenu ignore chesa, bcos I did not want to disappoint him by reacting to his ranting .. thats a diff issue anyway ! Cocanada .. in our of his posts in this thread below gave an awesome explanation .. regarding randomness and how the observor and observer are the same when it comes to Advaitha .. now in the case of Dwaita as well, it does not change much except that you either agree that there is a God separately existing or that the Universal Consciousness is/will be percieved as a different entity .. One of the best posts Coke .. I am ur fan from today ! JP Rocks bhayya .. .. emanna SOH aa .. nee enki .. mein bhi aaj se tumhara fan ban gaya !Free Tibet ... | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 251 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.97.226.7 Rating: N/A |
here is my post in some other thread.... Those who pray the God belongs to one or more of the following groups... 1) Those who want some favour from God (Govinda govinda song lo ravi teja type). I dont belong to this coz i'll be more happier if i earn something when compared with someone giving me some gifts 2) Those who are afraid of God/repenting for their past deeds. (devaa paapini...ninnaasrayinchaanu type) I dont belong to this group coz i dont mind in committing a sin if i like to do it 3)People with semi-brave hearts. They try to live their lives independently, but when they feel that they are no more in a position to cope up with their situation, they start praying/crediting the GOD. This group also includes those who say that God is the reason behind every suspense (unexplored/unexplained by the science) I don't belong to this group coz.. I feel that if not today, some time later science may be in a position to explain the reason behing some mistery. eg. Some people used to feel that phosphorus flames are due to some devils. There is no difference in a person who says.. "See.. scince dont know this. Hence God exists" and another person who says..."Oh vow.. what a great power..God created this thunders and lightening" 4) People who feel that praying the God results in a better mental state like knowing more about themselvs or feeling peaceful or something like that. I don't belong to this group coz I can feel better by simply closing my eyes. Praying the God has nothing to do with me in this issue. 5) People who feel that praying the God may lead to moksha, the escape from the life and death cycle and thus entering into heaven/god's location and stay there forever. I dont belong to this group coz if at all life and death cycle is true, I'd love to take this birth again and again and again and again. Coz i love my life. | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 2010 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2 Rating: N/A |
Chaala tondarapaatu statement idhi | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 250 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.97.226.7 Rating: N/A |
naa meeda paruvu nashtam caselu... manobhaavaalani kincha parichaadu ani janaalu case veyyaka pote... nenu ready | ||
| Redplanet Side Hero Username: Redplanet Post Number: 5967 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 24.91.69.137 Rating: N/A |
Nastikulu oka 10 devudi pictures ni petti, vaati ni tannamante tanna galara. Tannina vadu nijamaina nastikudu. Otherwise, he is an atheist just for argument sake and he has a fear of God some where inside anukuntunna. | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 244 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.97.226.7 Rating: N/A |
One MUST require guts to face any situation and to remain as an atheist. Otherwise, even the smallest of the uncontrollable pains will lead to fears that revolve around the concept of the GOD | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 243 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.97.226.7 Rating: N/A |
In My opinion, ( I din't read all the posts at this point of time ) ... the concept of God and Religion are required for those, who don't know how to live. Once we come to know how to live, we no longer require these concepts. | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 242 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.97.226.7 Rating: N/A |
aapees lo utube blocked | ||
| Methhanithodugu Junior Artist Username: Methhanithodugu Post Number: 504 Registered: 12-2008 Posted From: 59.93.75.132 Rating: N/A |
" ZERO deviation" is debatable wrt restart of this Assumption / Presumption . Practically people swing in between within their True Conscious theory doesn't . | ||
| Film_fan Side Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 7770 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
burra thirigindhi/perigindhi.....naaku thread chadvi.... konni ardham ayyayi....konni kaledhu.... nenu average manishini anukuni.....thapppukunna.... "Any one who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new" - Einstein | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 2009 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 24.0.97.120 Rating: N/A |
All I am saying is that even true nashtiks have to rely on one concept if they are true to their philosophy total lack of expectation....cuz in apurely random process, the expected state of of any variable is ZERO deviation from the start.. i.e E{[X(t)]- X(0)} = 0 for a purely random variable X...... This includes all filtrations in a finite state space..... | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 2008 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 24.0.97.120 Rating: N/A |
didn't follow you...relativity is very much a temporal thesis...all relativistic equations have a time dilation associated.....AFAIK what were u referring...to in ur post | ||
| Godfather Junior Artist Username: Godfather Post Number: 34 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 212.60.115.186 Rating: N/A |
same thought , gave us theory of relativity.. | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 2007 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 24.0.97.120 Rating: N/A |
True devotion is total absence of expectation | ||
| Methhanithodugu Junior Artist Username: Methhanithodugu Post Number: 503 Registered: 12-2008 Posted From: 59.93.75.132 Rating: N/A |
Der_schuler "whatever works for you is not always the right thing to do and cowards who can't take that in the face start talking ill of the notion of God. " I like these word you quoted but hope that is not necessarily about Nasthiks . | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 2006 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 24.0.97.120 Rating: N/A |
pure atheism is a myth and someones intrepretation that atheists are strong is as naive as stating that ur personal WWF star is the strongest being on earth. If pure atheism is kosher, one immediately can ask...what is the reason of the being and the notion of self...some intelligent atheists cite lack of complete information to give a reason for the above Q and some lesser minds will say..it doesnt matter, I am now and there ends the matter..Ayn rand is a classic case. typically crude, hedonistic and unrefined minds resort to this style of regression free statements as they know they can't stand that intense scrutiny. The fact that some atheists believe that we dont have all information needed to justify the notion of existence again begs for the Q, given 10000 millenia, can all of those atheists ensure that they will have all the information to depict the exact course of evolution...The answer is No..... That lack of certainty in life for me and some one else is God......To believe in God unflinchingly is supremely difficult than not believing cuz a true believer always knows that whatever he has is a gift from some one who is not either paryial nor vindictive....no matter what U have to give ur best believing that he will weigh it properly in the scheme of his universe with out any expectation from ur end.... A true believer never expects | ||
| Der_schuler Side Hero Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 2005 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 24.0.97.120 Rating: N/A |
That is a very interesting thought. By one statement u have excluded time scales that might pop up in some body's head. There are no proper theists or atheists per my understanding. Most of us are at the cusp of skepticism depending on how ur mind reacts to certain circumstances. The notion of God as some one who has to care of his steadfast devotees is a tad self centered to me and is used as an counter argument by many a unprepared mind. You will typically find people citing, "If God existed, why do so many innocent die" Christianity professes that ones life is a testimony of its pain....there are other theist thoughts that believe that human life is just not an occurence but a cycle of incarnations each sequentially accruing the bad and good deeds of previous life...until in one incarnation, u lead an absolutely clean life and u break free to moksha..... generic ontological grievances apart , that concept works for me. I personally believe that every act of ours have tangible causal effects known a priori and each has an associated cost. Most of us make a decision on what optimises the risk for our existence either in the short or long term. whatever works for you is not always the right thing to do and cowards who can't take that in the face start talking ill of the notion of God. Its like this mathematical analogy. Since u seem to mathematically inclined. Assume that a mine has 4 in ways and only one exit.i.e only one in way if taken with out ,leads you to exit. All the other entrances bring you back either to the same entrance again or a different one... In short, I have wove for you a recurrent Markov chain with an absorbing state..i.e at one point of time, you will reach the exit...i.e the transition time of the chain is finite but finite doesn't mean small, it only means deterministic. I think life is also like that. U start off on a wrong note, u keep taking life with pain associated...life itself is pain......but eventually all of us take the exit...some sooner and some very late.......No religion has ever professed a God with vengeance. God per me has a set of rules to which he adheres to unconditionally. At every point, ones solemn duty is to give ur unselfish best with out an expectation that it will work...cuz it may not based on what u have done previously (remember everything accrues)...if it works...move on ...be the same untouched for the next moment...if it doesn't still move on...... That is exactly the reason I associate to the phrase, Karma catches up | ||
| Arjun1234 Comedian Username: Arjun1234 Post Number: 1501 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 24.6.29.85 Rating: N/A |
bag seppav... simple ga http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFnTR9e1UXE&feature=related | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 241 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 59.97.226.7 Rating: N/A |
simple... manaki kashtam vachinappudu... "devuda help me devudaa help me" anukokundaa... "nadisantrapu lotullo.. kada daakaa munigevo...mutyaalani velike teesi televanta neevu" ani satyam movie song vinaaali. nee fate inte.. ante.... "vupa graha saanthi..nava graha saanthi" anukokundaa... "aa vidhi raatani chemata tone.. cheripeyyaali" ani Tagore lo song vinaali | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 92 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
Basically randomness is defined on repetition of an experiment or trail or an observation. Repetition is a function of time. Coconada's Quesion "RAndom w.r.t. who?" itself is a naive question. edo pillaDu baadha paDataaDani w.r.t. time ani explain cheyaaDaaniki try cheshaanu. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 536 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.92.205.44 Rating: N/A |
Anand, Purusa is neither consciousness nor inert. Universal consciousness is the earliest manifestation of nature itself. Also nature is the one that is inert. Purusa illumines nature to make it active. Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Movieanalyst Comedian Username: Movieanalyst Post Number: 1989 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 98.180.196.219 Rating: N/A |
ledu annayi...bentonvill... | ||
| Telugu_times Moderator Username: Telugu_times Post Number: 15014 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
arkansas lo, illage peru HOPE aaa? bill clinton gaadi ooru peru Hope | ||
| Movieanalyst Comedian Username: Movieanalyst Post Number: 1987 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 98.180.196.219 Rating: N/A |
leud annayi..arkansas...lo oka village lo vunna... | ||
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By the way, do you live in texas? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5382 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 67.10.134.234 Rating: N/A |
Let me try - DTS can correct me if that is not right... Anything is random only until a pattern can be identified after which it becomes predictable ...Say if a pattern occurs every 10 years , then for the first 19 years it can only be seen as random ,on the 20th you have the first repetition, the minimum time period required to make a good prediction is 10 hours , hence randomness becomes a function of time ...
Are you sure there is an active will of the Universal Consciousness ? Purusa - the universal consciousness is described as inert and inactive aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Subzero Side Hero Username: Subzero Post Number: 2984 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 59.93.72.1 Rating: N/A |
DB lo aada ladies already chepparu gaa. nee mulamu gaa quitting ani | ||
| Movieanalyst Comedian Username: Movieanalyst Post Number: 1979 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 98.180.196.219 Rating: N/A |
that day is not too far.. | ||
| Movieanalyst Comedian Username: Movieanalyst Post Number: 1978 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 98.180.196.219 Rating: N/A |
peddaga lenattu vundi brother
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| Movieanalyst Comedian Username: Movieanalyst Post Number: 1976 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 98.180.196.219 Rating: N/A |
yes... | ||
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stay away from this DB, as a starting point  | ||
| Movieanalyst Comedian Username: Movieanalyst Post Number: 1975 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 98.180.196.219 Rating: N/A |
thanks..I will.. | ||
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| Movieanalyst Comedian Username: Movieanalyst Post Number: 1973 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 98.180.196.219 Rating: N/A |
evaru aa ammayi....aa ammaye vachi cheppindi..nenu kaadu reason ani... | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 532 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.92.205.44 Rating: N/A |
I am a believer of this concept too. Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 3989 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
naa opinion septhaa free gaa ...atheist theist anni gr8 concepts...but avi ardham chesukovali antay we have to ask a lot of questions, if u want to explore, explore both sides ... end of the day...believe in karma coz karma hits you back in the nuts...devudu unnadu/ledu kanna what is right or wrong anay belief is more important | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 90 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
inkaa comedy gaa cheppaalanTE, DB lo thread initiate chEsinODuki aa thread outcome predict cheyyaleDu, alaanE tokkalo modaratorlu (those who govern) kooDa predict cheyyaaleru except deleting thread even that is random as a moderator does not know before hand as to what thread needs to be deleted. so randomness ki govern ki sambandham ledu. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Lionswalkalone Side Hero Username: Lionswalkalone Post Number: 5434 Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 70.215.132.33 Rating: N/A |
Life is just a series of random events | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 89 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
On the whole you two conclusions Random Vs. Governed are not mutually exclusive. You can always initiate a Random experiment and just because you initiated you cannot predict the outcome. God might be governing the universe but it does not mean that He not is governing it at random. May be this universe is a random experiment initiated by God. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11378 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
governed to be random sounds similar to algorithm for generating random number they can not go together. Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 88 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
idi keeDa antha correct kaadu! edo tossing coin rolling dice aithe anukovaccu, kaani as they are random experiments and conducting ideally is highly impossible. But there are lot of random things in the universe. Or governed to be rondom. i.e., cannot be predicted with 100% certainty. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11375 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
nenu cheppedi ade. the defition of random is correct. but practically, nothing is random or a coincidence. nothing happens with out the will of universal consciousness. nothing is ideally random. we take one or more non predictable events and try to make it random for our practical purpose Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 87 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
But that is the mathematical definition of a Random experiment! What you are talking about is predictability. I think you are under the impression that the universe is predictable by somebody. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11373 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
this is impossible. not all conditions can be same IMPOSSIBLE Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Takeitez Side Hero Username: Takeitez Post Number: 2286 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 70.84.106.146 Rating: N/A |
chala easy tammud, roju gudi ki velli 106 pradakhinalu cheyyi 106 days. All set TakeitEZ! | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 86 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
A Random Experiment is an experiment, trial, or observation that can be repeated numerous times under the same conditions. The outcome of an individual random experiment must be independent and identically distributed. It must in no way be affected by any previous outcome and cannot be predicted with certainty. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 3986 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
Anand gaaru and Coke...simple gaa discuss chesaaru...nice posts | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11372 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
may be someone is capable of predicting. why are you ruling out that option? Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 3985 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
DLM mama kee bhalay doubts wastaai... inthaakee ikkada emaina chance undhaa ledhaa kottukovaataaniki? | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11371 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
I cant understand Dts's question about random being wrt time. can you explain ? Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 85 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
observers predict cheyyadamemiti? its not astrology. BTW observers predict cheyyaleni daanne random experiment antaaru. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 84 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
idi EVV cinema lo aite OK! kaani idE math ani maatram cheppaku dayachesi. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11370 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: |
we are talking about different things there is nothing random about a coin. evry observer sees the same. but some observers can predict out come and some can not thos observers who can not predict call the outcome random Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 83 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
Its a tautology! If universe is self-governed and is random then universe is random w.r.t time. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 82 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
saami random anedi w.r.t, observer anEdi prapancham lo ninne choostunnau. Randomness is always w.r.t. time. Coin toss chEsthE India ki heads laa kanipinchi Pakistan ki Tails laakanipinchadu. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11367 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
read as "nothing that is not universe or external to universe" Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11366 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
random is w.r.t an observor Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11365 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: |
yes governance means self governance. because there is nothing that is universe or external to the universe Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 80 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: |
random anedi general ga w.r.t. time e kadaa? tappaite nannu kshaminchu! కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11364 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
random with respect to who? Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5380 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
How about the third one - Universe is self-governing aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 79 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
Mind block ayyindi. You are right! This experiment has been declared random from the human perspective only. Because humans just simply cannot get the same outcome by tossing a coin several times. I have an interesting question though: Can the universe be governed to be random? కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 78 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
Sorry, my last post was confusing, I was half asleep. What I meant was, random number generating algorithm is certainly not random but it does indeed generate a random. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11363 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
you can not predict because you do not enough knowledge. based on the torque you apply, how high you throw it, density of air etc etc you can predict. but the problem is we are not that smart. may be some one knows the outcome. my point is there are 2 views. - universe is random - universe is governed i go with the second option Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 77 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
ee philosophy endi saami? maaku kampyuTaru language arthdam kaadu kaani, mari deeniki samaadhaanam cheppu Random experiment anTe, we know what set of outcome, but we cannot predict the outcome. e.g, in tossing a coin we know the possible outcomes are head and tail but we cannot predict what outcome will occur. So random number generate Chese coin random kaaka povacchu kaani experiment is not random. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5379 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
LOL - simple ga cheppesaru kada The possibility you left out was the judgemental, punishing God - and that is what people fear aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11361 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Linkmaster Side Hero Username: Linkmaster Post Number: 9735 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 12.34.246.72 Rating: N/A |
roju raaama, raaama anuko.. aa devude nee korika teerustaadu Jai Jagan | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 76 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
If God really exists and we are atheist the it doesn't hurt God, because He is God he knows to forgive is divine. If God does not exist and we are atheist then no problem to no one. In any case being atheist is not a problem to anybody. kaani being aasthic is difficult. enno pujalu vrataalu aachaaraalu etc. Better to lead naasthic life. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5376 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
You will get there Don't be in a rush though aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11351 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
i dont use those words exactly but thats what i mean. i want to be in a universe where my wish (which a possibility now) will become a reality. not in a snap of a finger but I wish that my next step is in the righ direction Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5374 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
No prayer is funny But generic prayer kanna focussed prayer is more effective... Try focussing on to what you want to accomplish - in the process you will focus your energies aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11350 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
yes dude. Thats what i said J.Krishnamurti, Sankaracharya, quantum scientists all are saying the same thing naa matti burra ki ardham avvadaaniki documentary upayogapadindi Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 524 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
Non-dualism declared this statement long time ago. BTW, thanks for the suggestion, will watch it some time. Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11349 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
Let me tell you my prayer. hope its not funny to you "I understand there are infinite possibilities and universes. I want to enter the universe in which I can <my>" Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 523 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38 Rating: N/A |
The new definition of theism is having belief in one's own self. He is an atheist who doesn't believe in himself regardless of his belief in god. Peddalu eppudo cheppaaru idi. Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5373 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Ammavari puja lo tri-saktis - Ichcha Sakti, Gnana Sakti, Kriya Sakti aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11347 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
Now, Matrix makes a lot of sense. doesnt it? Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11346 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
Ichha Sakthi is it a coined term? is there any material on this topic? Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5371 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
You are very welcome aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5370 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
No its not Icha shakti is a power aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11345 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
I am happy today Thanks you for asking me right questionsTry try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11343 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
I havent read it but you know if you understand that universe is nothing but a space of infinite potentialities, that statement doesn't sound outrageous. Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5369 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Excellent Where it matters is in outr ability to channel our energies as mentioned in the previous post aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5368 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Paulo Coelho in The Alchemist Anduke confidence unte chalu annanu ...what breaks that ability is doubt - you have to believe one way or other completely so you can channel your energy to align with the cosmic aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Movieanalyst Comedian Username: Movieanalyst Post Number: 1970 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 116.66.128.125 Rating: N/A |
bandi laagincheyyochu. Thappu yemi ledu. kaani malli ikkada nammakame pradhaanam}
I may be wrong ..aasthik ani kaadu.. kaani..for me god vunnada ledaa anedhi matter kaadu..nenu etla think chsthunna...enduku ila think chesthunnam anedhi matters.. | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11342 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
It means i have to take back my statement if universe functions alike all the time IT DOESNT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF ONE AN ATHEIST OR THEIST
So, you can do whatever you want and as long you have the intention and concentration and focus on a task you will be successful regardless of what you call yourself - theist or an atheist you are not changing anything by changing your affiliation Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11341 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: |
YES. I am happy you made that statement. God is something that should function alike regardless of beliefs will is close to intention. When the intention is strong universe will re-align itself to give you what you want. You dont need a name (rama,krishna) to address the consciousness of the universe Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11340 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
To all those who are interested, I super strongly recommend watching this documentary which triggered off my thought process "WHAT THE BLEEP DO WE KNOW - DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE" When I used to read J.Krishnamurti, I vaguely understood the statement "observor is not different from the observed". This documentary clearly demonstrates it How our thoughts, intentions are propelling the universe forward etc etc Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5366 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
But that is the definition of theism
Agreed - but some of the strongest people I have seen - the ones with a strong sense of will and action - are atheists - they are able to harness that power without believing in GOd aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11339 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: N/A |
my concept of theism is not belief in a certain form or name of god I meant do not lose faith that there is a system governing everything. definitely there is some power in concentration, intention and prayer we should not lose faith in that. Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 519 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
Interesting! Integrity means doing it right when no one is looking | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5364 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Why ? Advaita nunchi atheism ento dooram undadu aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Movieanalyst Comedian Username: Movieanalyst Post Number: 1968 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 116.66.128.125 Rating: N/A |
thanks anandji... yeah enduko teleeni fear.. andulo nunchi bayataki vacheddam ani feeling... but raleka pothunna...confidence ratam ledu... | ||
| Cocanada Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 11334 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.4 Rating: |
There are so many random number generator algorithms available Question yourself. What is random. Why should someone write an ALGORITHM for generating RANDOM number. If there is a method of generating a number, it is no longer random. So, is there anything called random or is everything guided by a principle and simply our ignorance of it makes it random? If you conclude that nothing is random and any non-deterministic state machine can be converged to a finite state machine, stop your efforts of becoming an atheist. but you should think of freeing yourself from dogmas of your religion my 2 dollar bills Try try try .... you will succeed | ||
| Dts Junior Artist Username: Dts Post Number: 74 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.28.84.179 Rating: N/A |
nasthikatvam anTe "lEdu" ani artham. i.e., one who believes that God does not exist. ika smabandham tokka enduku? కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" | ||
| Kalikaalam Comedian Username: Kalikaalam Post Number: 1914 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 171.159.194.10 Rating: N/A |
deeni ni antha serious gaa thisukonakkarledu MA. "devudu ledu" ani nammuthu } bandi laagincheyyochu. Thappu yemi ledu. kaani malli ikkada nammakame pradhaanam. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5362 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Cheyyagalite nothing wrong in it - you can just live by your values If you view God as punishing, judgemental authority to be feared then you will have more difficulty letting go...if you view God as a benign guiding light , it will be easier to take charge of yourself... You need confidence to let go of that dependence though aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Sachin Moderator Username: Sachin Post Number: 10557 Registered: 04-2008 Rating: N/A |
db lo unna okallani tholesaaru nuvvu ferari kalisi... | ||
| Movieanalyst Comedian Username: Movieanalyst Post Number: 1966 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 98.180.196.219 Rating: N/A |
 ee ammayi enuka padatam ledu vuncle... okka ammayi chetha cheppinchu enuka paduthunna ani ..chooddam.. | ||
| Methhanithodugu Junior Artist Username: Methhanithodugu Post Number: 496 Registered: 12-2008 Posted From: 59.93.79.199 Rating: N/A |
Nashta Jeshnava ?? Nashta --> Break Fast Jeshnavaa --> Nen Jeppa If you DO you Live Longer and if you DONT & Pray then its Assthick Bottom Line DONT SKIP (Not the exercise ones ) ... | ||
| Sachin Moderator Username: Sachin Post Number: 10556 Registered: 04-2008 Rating: N/A |
nuvvu first ammmayila enaka padadam maaneyyi...ade sethee idi saana easyga seyagalav..  | ||
| Movieanalyst Comedian Username: Movieanalyst Post Number: 1964 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 98.180.196.219 Rating: N/A |
evvaru single star veer? | ||
| Movieanalyst Comedian Username: Movieanalyst Post Number: 1963 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 98.180.196.219 Rating: N/A |
whats thisyaa. | ||
| Movieanalyst Comedian Username: Movieanalyst Post Number: 1962 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 98.180.196.219 Rating: N/A |
yeap ..some kind of fear..anduke aa 30% vundi poyindi.. nenu devudu ledu..vunnadu ane concept lo kakunda..manaketi aayanatho sambandham ledu ane concept lo bathukudam anukuntunna... endukoo manasikam gaa god meeda depend avutuunnam ane concept kooda nachattam ledu.. | ||
| Methhanithodugu Junior Artist Username: Methhanithodugu Post Number: 495 Registered: 12-2008 Posted From: 59.93.79.199 Rating: N/A |
Nashta Jeshnava ?? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 5360 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Enduku avvali anukuntunnaru - and what is the 30% holding you back- is it fear ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Movieanalyst Comedian Username: Movieanalyst Post Number: 1961 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 98.180.196.219 Rating: |
etla over come cheyyalo seppandri...suggest cheyyandi...ippudu 70% nasthik type 30% aasthik type lo vunna... complete 100% nathikudu avvali anedhi naa agenda.. |
