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vaake ..
Free Tibet ... :-)
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Shawshank:


frank ga septunna annai .. Hindu Ideology ni namme evadu ala avaledu .. vere praaniki haani cheyyakoodadu ani prati puranam lo nu nooriposaaru manaki .. aa fire raadu ..




hmm..mari mahabharath...ramayanam lo evvariki haani cheyyaleda? manam dustulu anukune vallani sikshinchatam lo tappu ledu ani naa feeling }
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Movieanalyst:

tellaban ladun lekka hinud tellalist lekka avvali...




frank ga septunna annai .. Hindu Ideology ni namme evadu ala avaledu .. vere praaniki haani cheyyakoodadu ani prati puranam lo nu nooriposaaru manaki .. aa fire raadu ..

kakapothe .. Hindu ideology ni pakka ga follow aithe .. chaala simple ga straight forward ga bathike chances untayi anukunta .. again ee statement ki chaala conditions gatra untayi .. kaani .. naa drusti lo most ancient and complete philosophy and has the dynamism to be the most modern philosophy !
Free Tibet ... :-)
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thammudu..neelo antha kasi or fire vunte....nuvvu either vivekananda lekka anna avvali.. leka tellaban ladun lekka hinud tellalist lekka avvali...
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Whyme:

rgv gaadu mental gaadu vadikemi telusu, urmila ni , nisha kothari ni burada lo dorlinchadam tappa


He is a businessman. Period. He wants to keep his fan base in tact. He has 10% success rate. If he has to survive, he must keep his fans engaged and he is using this age old tactic. People are always in the search of some body who tell them what to do. People are always attracted to the persons who teaches any thing that is not conventional. Its nothing more than that. I think we shouldn't even create threads such as these to discuss about his opinions. Thats what exactly he wants. He should direct his talents in making better movies.
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Jalsa:

Shawshank tammud, alaagey, guruvulani, adhyapakulani kindaling sesthey emanaalo kooda seppu bedaraiiii




Jalsa brother .. saradaga ante parledemo kaani (personal ga I am against that as well) .. guruvu ni kindaling sesthey .. very wrong .. chinnappudu maa amma .. Saraswati Devi ki kopam vastundi .. chaduvu radu anedi .. kaani only Chaduvu kakunda .. Samskaram radu anukunta .. atuvanti vadu manchi human being avvaledu .. so kinda ripple effect.
Free Tibet ... :-)
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Shawshank tammud, alaagey, guruvulani, adhyapakulani kindaling sesthey emanaalo kooda seppu bedaraiiii
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Whyme:

anduke manam gurur brahma guru vishnu guru devo maheshwara antam..




indaka Borders lo window shopping chestonte .. pakka aisle lonchi vinapadda matalu .. "Mommy, I want this "101 ways to bug your teacher" book" ani oka 5-6 years pilla vaalla amma ni adugutonte .. navvochindi .. em desam ra babu .. how to bug your teacher ani books lo "teach" chestunnaru prabhuddulu !
Free Tibet ... :-)
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Nisarga:

If reality is dependent of consciousness there is not ground to argue from. your reality is yours mine is mine. game over.




Very true. That is exactly so called true individualism is a myth. There is no road ahead if subjective realities are assumed, per ur view point.

Havind agreed on it, then comes the most important issue. What is the role of indv sense perception and its qualifying effects on perceived reality and the often cited faux-righteousness of indv moral codes per those sense perceptions..

My only point is that....arguing for total individualistic freedom as the only plausible way of morality (in her own words...rational self interest)....begs for the answer of the Q....How can we even deem that humans are rational first up......if answered in the affirmative, all group and indv actions need to be sanctioned with out an ounce of censure....

The only way as Kant and others professed was that there is a statistical reality that hold true for every epoch. A group of people will try to seek a manifest version of truth, per purely game theoretic reasons...i.e pure genetic sustenance or genetic up gradation through selection(preferred) of mates.....

All the trash of rational minds is but a shadow of truth. We are purely a genetic representation of our times...so to speak...trying to comply with that not always out of complete harmony but often times out of acquiescence.
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kewl manchiga guess chesa.. i watched recently some of his videos or speeches.. impressive
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Whyme:

U.G.Krishnamurti ni eppudaina follow ayyara?




Ayyanu
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All the philosophy and science as they stand today, I think, fall short when they have to explain as to why/how this self reference ( I/ego/consciousness what ever is is called loosely ) could be possible. Douglas Hofstadter's GEB and " I am a strange loop" gives good understanding o it.
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U.G.Krishnamurti ni eppudaina follow ayyara?
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reality exists independent of consciousness; that individual persons are in direct contact with this reality through sensory perception; that human beings can gain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive and deductive logic.

Any apparatus of self referential system, will immediately ask the question, if reality already exists independent of our existence then the very inductive and deductive logic that our sense organs need to use should be a part of that reality and hence needs some other perceptive structure to perceive them and so on ad-infinitum




If reality is dependent of consciousness there is not ground to argue from. your reality is yours mine is mine. game over.
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ayn rand emigrated to USA from USSR when she was an adult (must be around her 20s).. she saw communism and being a genius foresaw failure or drawbacks of it. Embraced capitalism and entrepreneurial spirit (I desist from saying individual because she looked for enterprise whether it is an individual or a group of individuals) and popularised it with her literature..
Ayn Rand books are great to read, you can be inspired and motivated to be an enterprising person..

Vivekananda preached and encourage true individualism in the context of humanity, patriotism etc..

we can have a great debate on such topics without having to mention people like rgv.. iam glad to see this disco happening atleast due to rgv's fingering.
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Ishan:



eastern civilization (orient and indian) prospered in gurukul tradition..
anduke manam gurur brahma guru vishnu guru devo maheshwara antam..
nijam gaa devullu vunna nijam ga daivathvam vunna anni guruvu lonche choosthamu ani.. anduke Vivekanandudu entho goppa vadaina guruvu gurinchi respect maruvaledu..
rgv gaadu mental gaadu vadikemi telusu, urmila ni , nisha kothari ni burada lo dorlinchadam tappa
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Vivekananda, on the other hand though treated God is mother, was not a subscriber to idol worship......


Even though he was a true vedanthin, he never antagonized idol worship. Because vedantha recognizes idol worship as just another level of spiritual pursuit. Ramakrishna transformed from a pure tantric priest to a vedanthin in later years (courtesy of his guru Puri) and he initiated non-dualism in vivekananda.

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Vivekananda just adored his guru......paramahamsa..


Vivekanada's adoration of his guru is far beyond "just" level. He several times declined even to talk about his guru just because of the fear that he might speak even the slightest blasphemy. He always proclaimed that his guru is a bigger soul than even Krishna, Buddha, Shankara. He was a true disciple.
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Anand_n:

RGV rants ki anta value ivvatam waste ani eppudo decide ayyanu



RGV, Kanchi Illaih, Khushwant Singh, Bishen Bedi veelantha okate league anukonta
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Swami Vivekananda philosophy veru aayana level veru... aayana mahanubhaavudu




:-) I have read the complete works of Vivekananda...I did not even mention him in this thread neither did I mention RGV:-) RGV rants ki anta value ivvatam waste ani eppudo decide ayyanu :-)

I am only discussing Roark - I see a lot of parallels in vedanta and Roark's thinking - and I find it interesting that Rand's philosophy could give birth to a character that is so close to the ideal state described in our own :-)

I agree Fountainhead is the best of the lot - my first Rand was Atlas Shrugged too..20 years ago 3 days lo night and day chadivanu :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
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Ishan:

Can you please elaborate teh above quoted sentence. How did tehy differ in practice of hinduism?




Ishan, paramahamsa was very much a tradiotionalist....he firmly believed in idol worship...infact he was a priest....

Vivekananda, on the other hand though treated God is mother, was not a subscriber to idol worship......

Both sternly believed that hinduism is a complete philosophy.....and firmly put vedanta..esp bhakthi vedanta on sound footing.....

Vivekananda just adored his guru......paramahamsa....but differed with him on some issues AFAIK
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tammudu ippude guests vellaru oka chinna party ayyindi
Day timelo jarigina hilights kavali malanti vallaki ..
Ekkado munigi ikkada tela
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Eluri_kurradu:

kukka morigindi anuko ..




hi annai

how r you

:-)
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Der_schuler:

What an idiotic comment...


kukka morigindi anuko ..
Ekkado munigi ikkada tela
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Getafix:

Individualism regards man�every man�as an independent, sovereign entity who possesses an inalienable right to his own life, a right derived from his nature as a rational being.




didn't you see an apparent flaw in this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how is a man independent by virtue of his birth....???? Aren't we nurtured till a certain age by our parents!!!!! read NURTURED in a holistic sense. Not just satiation of hunger.

How does the above defintion accomodate the assertion humans are rational beings???
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Der_schuler:

Can you define individualism??



Individualism regards manâevery manâas an independent, sovereign entity who possesses an inalienable right to his own life, a right derived from his nature as a rational being. Individualism holds that a civilized society, or any form of association, cooperation or peaceful coexistence among men, can be achieved only on the basis of the recognition of individual rightsâand that a group, as such, has no rights other than the individual rights of its members.

Der_schuler:


Does individualism in a pure sense exist?? If so are human beings not prone to intellectual fine tuning during every phase of their life.


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I dont know.. thats why i said in one of my posts Howard Roard is fictional char ani and he only exists in Rand's world..
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The reason why she made it to popular culture solely was her total endorsement of the laissezfaire capitalism ( also called the austrian and chicago school of capitalism first expounded on a formal basis by Von mises).......there is no other plausible explanation for the fact that she is singularly adored in the popular cultures of US and UK and the rest of the so called advanced nations on the intellectual map completely trivialize her importance as a philosopher. India is an exception as we have been for the last 60 years still been SLAVES mentally with complete submission to west in terms of appraising intellectual standards per their metrics. The acceptance of egnlish as the official bearer of refinedness is a stand out measure of this malady.

I agree with you in as much as she being a story writer. That is the end of her expertise.
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Atlas Shrugged




lengthy book and i frequntly got lost when i was reading this one.. unlike Howard Roark ..john galt konchem realistic character anipisthadu and also flawed..
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RGV ki vivekananda asalu peru kuda telusu ledo..seriously he is gone nuts and these days he doesnt know what he is talking about..
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getafix garu,

Can you define individualism??

Does individualism in a pure sense exist?? If so are human beings not prone to intellectual fine tuning during every phase of their life.

Naaku telisi the axioms I stated are de facto for objectivist constructs. per your description, If I were to rape a woman that I deem is a proper fit to get married to, knowing the fact that she will never marry me through any other means. (shown in lot of indian movies during 70's).....

Can't I say that the act of raping was properly in sync with my rational self interest????

rational definitely coz, if she were to be forced to marry me and through the course of time, I were to act as a loving husband and beget what I deem to be better off springs...then my RATIONAL had been served......

afterall, what more rational than begetting a better off spring ??????? Doesn't so called narrow darwinism profess it???
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Whyme:

Fountainhead




just this one.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/739412.cms
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Fountainhead
Atlas Shrugged
We the living
Romantic Manifesto

These are rand books in my order of liking.. the first book i ever read of rand was Atlas shrugged aa book almost ending time lo protagonist John Galt entrepreneurship meeda (capitalism) meeda radio speech isthaadu.. first time bore dobbindi (appatiki nenu relatively young) second chadivithe bulb veligindi.. Fountainhead is much more intense from my point of view

she is a great thinker no doubt..
RGV gaadu either Vivekananda study cheyyaledu or Rand study cheyyaledu ilanti tokkalo comment cheyyataniki.. gooba meeda dobbithe straight ga choosthaadu anni
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Shawshank:

Ee Fountain Head edo chadavaali .. janalu enduku intha passionate ga defend chestunnaro choodali ..




Chadiveppudu oka excitement... chadivaka ila undali anna determination... a tharuwatha ...
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/739412.cms
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Ee Fountain Head edo chadavaali .. janalu enduku intha passionate ga defend chestunnaro choodali ..

on a side note ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_humanism_(Hindu_nationalism)
Free Tibet ... :-)
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Pusthakaalu chadivithe knowledge vasthundi. Knowledge vasthe self-confidence ade lagethukuntu vasthundi




Kaani Happiness ee pothundhi
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Anand_n:

Roark in your place would not have cared if he lost that job



Of course... but

Anand_n:

it is extremely difficult to do that especially if you have social/family responsibilities




May be that's why Rand made sure that Roark doesn't have any such responsibilities.

But on second thought, if there are no responsibilities or problems, then it isn't a big deal to be a Roark. If you want to be a real Roark then you got to stand up even when you have such responsibilities.

I don't know what i am talking...

Happy Diwali to all...
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Anand_n:



Howard Roark, John Galt gurinchi matlaaduthunnaru.. super

Swami Vivekananda philosophy veru aayana level veru... aayana mahanubhaavudu

ayn rand ni peddaga kinchaparchakkarledu.. aavida karl marx communism ki capitalist populist response.. capitalistic propaganda lo aavida influence chaala vundi - she inspired lot of people to be individualistic/capitalistic the foundation america survived for a long time.

iddaru individualism ni encourage chesaru kaani valla context lu veru levels veru.. rand is more materialistic than philosophical

RGV ki mind dobbi (adi eppudo ayyindi) out of context lo evo rendu phaarin perlu dorikithe (magesh bhatt gaadu cheppi vuntaadu) avi koosadu
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Annavaram:

it's a freakin blasphemy to mention vivekananda and rand in the same breath



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porilani impress cheyataaniki nietsche and ayn rand ni quote cheyatam fashionable

especially rand

it's a freakin blasphemy to mention vivekananda and rand in the same breath

rgv speaks crap to hog attention, cant take him too seriosuly

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Mrhyderabad:

Yeah.. i have said this sometime ago in another thread. I also tried to be a Roark and failed (lost my first job in 6 months...) and then society has told me that i am better off to be a Keating





:-) Roark is not a rebel -You are right - he is someone with an extremely strong sense of self. Roark in your place would not have cared if he lost that job ... because his return is in doing what he did - {Bhagavad Gita gurtu vastundaa ?}

But you are right - it is extremely difficult to do that especially if you have social/family responsibilities :-)

Mario_Puzo ,

The real freedom to be yourself comes with your detaching yourself from outside world - ani mana vedantam kuda cheptundi - Rand's characters fight for that freedom :-)


Getafix:

rand simply states individualism over collectivism.. He characters are absolute and represent a group of values in our society..climax lo she just states individualism is the way to go ani..




Baaga chepparu :-)

The big problem many people have with Rand is over her passionate defense of individualism over collectivism...she came from the extreme collectivism of communism and went to the other end of individualistic capitalism and free enterprise.

Meritocracy is individualism, collectivism calls for quotas and allowances for the less-privileged...:-)

Most of us generally prefer something between extreme individualism and collectivism:-)
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Mallik:

Pustakaalu sadvithe self-confidence peruguthadaa? or unna confidence ni penchukovatsaa?


Pusthakaalu chadivithe knowledge vasthundi. Knowledge vasthe self-confidence ade lagethukuntu vasthundi

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Mrhyderabad:


Saahithyam pongi porluthaandi..

Anyway.. rao gaaru.. naado kwechhen.. Pustakaalu sadvithe self-confidence peruguthadaa? or unna confidence ni penchukovatsaa?
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Anand_n:

Yes he can and they do exist


Yeah.. i have said this sometime ago in another thread. I also tried to be a Roark and failed (lost my first job in 6 months...) and then society has told me that i am better off to be a Keating

One needs to have infinite self-confidence to be a Roark i guess.
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RGV lost it totally -- Should be Changed to

"RGV - VIVEKANANDA - ANN RYAND"
or someting like dat


Any Mods there ???
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Getafix:

climax lo she just states individualism is the way to go ani.. rest is upto the reader.




so theory incomplete ana?
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Mario_puzo:

serious ga, teleeka adugutunna......rand jeppedi freedom gurinchi......adi forced ga ravali antundi(through so many acts of roark and others in novel).....freedom-by force.......pottu kudurutunda??



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rand simply states individualism over collectivism.. He characters are absolute and represent a group of values in our society..climax lo she just states individualism is the way to go ani.. rest is upto the reader.
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Mrhyderabad:

If i am not wrong, west has started exploring Yoga only recently... (in last 10-20years)




eppudu vachamu anedi kaadu...they have got all the powers in the world at their disposal to market good/bad/worst..
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Der_schuler:

glaring loop hole:

Axiom1 of Objectivism :
reality exists independent of consciousness; that individual persons are in direct contact with this reality through sensory perception; that human beings can gain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive and deductive logic.




Totally agree with you.
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Rajusk:

1000 years of suppression and its all gone..


If i am not wrong, west has started exploring Yoga only recently... (in last 10-20years)
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channala kritam roark ni sadiva......clg days.......kaka, kasi abbaba mana godu vinipinche vallu dorikaru anipinchindi(ekkado edo moola aspashtamaina veliti unna)....konnallagi malli chadiva mukkalu mukkalu ga mottam ga......aa veliti ki oka form vachinattanipinchindi......

serious ga, teleeka adugutunna......rand jeppedi freedom gurinchi......adi forced ga ravali antundi(through so many acts of roark and others in novel).....freedom-by force.......pottu kudurutunda??
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Mrhyderabad:

Indulo mana tappu emi ledu antaaraa?

We couldn't market / popularize it even though it is our recipe, right?




Ayane unte..mangali enduku types lo...undi mee question..

1000 years of suppression and its all gone..
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Getafix:

Fiction ani categorise chesi nennu emi chinna choopu chudatledu fountainhead book ni..




I did not mean to say you denigrated it :-)


Getafix:

"Roark's independence is constant and complete, at once psychological and ideological; it is an independence not just of actions and opinions but of the soul and the soul's "one thought." Roark, as he says in his final courtroom speech, just "do[es] not recognize anyone's right to one minute of [his] life." [686]"




And Kaivalya is the post-enlightenment state where you are complete in yourself with no remaining sense of duality - where your actions occur because they are the right thing to do at the moment, not because of the burden of the past nor with expectations of a future gain. The state of enlightened existence where no karma accrues anymore ...:-)


Mrhyderabad:

In my view, he can NOT exist in this world.




Yes he can and they do exist - you may not hear of them:-) Roark is as feasible a karmayogi per our philosophy - what is the difference between the two?

Cinejeevi,
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Getafix:

a perfect man is one who commits all kinds of mistakes..


Mistakes in our view... but not in his.
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Mrhyderabad:

In my view, he can NOT exist in this world.



either way brother..

according to Rand - Roark neither grows intellectually nor learns anything from his experiences ..he is what he is.. practical life lo possibile kaadu anipisthadi..after all - a perfect man is one who commits all kinds of mistakes..
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Rajusk:

Mana yoga ne manaki ammi dabbulu sesukontunnaru..


Indulo mana tappu emi ledu antaaraa?

We couldn't market / popularize it even though it is our recipe, right?
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Getafix:

Roark is fiction and he only exists in rands world anipisthadi naaku..


In my view, he can NOT exist in this world.
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Der_schuler:

she had a great eye for marketing herself and brand herself.....




Mana yoga ne manaki ammi dabbulu sesukontunnaru..

That is the greatness of thellolla marna aur kaatna (read marketing)
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Anand_n:

So there are people who hate Rand , those like you who think its good fiction,




Anand garu..

Fiction ani categorise chesi nennu emi chinna choopu chudatledu fountainhead book ni.. I love fountainhead as a novel.. i call it as a novel because it has characters set in a social context with few characters relevant to real world like dale wynand and toohey.. Roark is fiction and he only exists in rands world anipisthadi naaku..
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Der_schuler:

paramahamsa....and vivekananda have 2 diff perspectives on hinduism with respect to its practice but have fundamentally similar views on what hinduism is...AFAIK


Der brother you are a very entertaining arguer of this DB, in a positive sense. Can you please elaborate teh above quoted sentence. How did tehy differ in practice of hinduism?
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Der_schuler:

Elite is a big word associated with originality and fundamental effect revolutionizing a field of study.....none of which is even applicable in her case....



pakka academic perspective lo chusthunnav thammud.. Ayn rand works are with out any doubt, elite because - her works inspired individualist movement.. especially in amrika. Oriinality unna works ye elite anali inka vetni anakudadu ante all literarure works anni elite ane category loki raavu.. only scietific studies elite anipinchukuntai..

As for the points noted(axioms 1&2).. naku axiom 1 lo em cheppavo artham kaaledu kaani axiom 2 .. your argument is kind of skewed.

Ayn rand fountainhead yokka essence .. i am quoting here fro another site

"Roark's independence is constant and complete, at once psychological and ideological; it is an independence not just of actions and opinions but of the soul and the soul's "one thought." Roark, as he says in his final courtroom speech, just "do[es] not recognize anyone's right to one minute of [his] life." [686]"

hope it does makes sense..
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Anand_n:

those like Divi and me who are great fans of Fountainhead


next time please dont forget my name
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Getafix:




There is no point debating generic validity/acceptance of philosophy...it can oly be validated at an individual level based on your paradigm and understanding...

The value of a book or author is in what the reader takes from it...It totally depends on the reader's perspective and interpretation...You give a book to 4 people and they will infer four different things from it ...

So there are people who hate Rand , those like you who think its good fiction, those like Divi and me who are great fans of Fountainhead :-)Howard Roark - he epitomises the state of Kaivalya to me :-)



Der_schuler:


Paramahamsa comes from the digambara school.....




References please - as far as I know he followed the Tantra school...and was not a Digambara.


CJ,
Saffron sanyasis estaru , and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was a householder :-)
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Wrathchild:




Paramahamsa comes from the digambara school.....whereas Vivekananda wasn't.....even white symbolises purity......

paramahamsa....and vivekananda have 2 diff perspectives on hinduism with respect to its practice but have fundamentally similar views on what hinduism is...AFAIK
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may be RKPHamsa is not a bachelor and did not wear kaashaayam?

i have no idea/clue. just a thought.

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okkosari ilantivi emi telikapodam pedda "varam" anipistundi
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Getafix:

And her works are definitely elite endhuku ante - some of her ideas were/are relevant to real world.




wud like to differ but understand ur stand in stating that her view points sell in this cruel world and they are riven with selfishness.....

When I started out reading Ayn Rand in my first year UG, it was sheerly out of peer pressure....I came across these hordes of people who carried a fountainhead in their back pack and I was curious and drawn towards being in sync with the popular culture of elitism.....but 4 months into the reading...I started marvelling at how some one can even buy into a system of axioms which were so overtly wrong...(see my posts below with exceptions to that effect)...

what troubles me is the sort of branding that you have just tried to putforth here....Elite is a big word associated with originality and fundamental effect revolutionizing a field of study.....none of which is even applicable in her case....

I agree, she had a great eye for marketing herself and brand herself.......but that doesn't change anything w.r.t the quality of her work
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Surprised at being asked such Q's being a hindu.....saffron in hinduism signifies Agni and sacrifice.....saffron is the color that signiifies....tendency to renounce everything and burn ones soul in search of the purest thing...



Wrathchild:

then why didn't Rama krishna parama hamsa maintain that dress? just curious..




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Wrathchild:

May I know why exactly vivekananda has to wear that dress?




Surprised at being asked such Q's being a hindu.....saffron in hinduism signifies Agni and sacrifice.....saffron is the color that signiifies....tendency to renounce everything and burn ones soul in search of the purest thing......
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ee rojuki kooda, there is no indv who studied her work with an academic interest and had received a PhD.....



brother.. Ayn rand audience are not academicians anukuntunna.. some of them might be at one time though..
Ayn rand is a writer that too fictional.some of her ideas had significant impact in political circles.. academic world lo dissertations cheyanantha maathrana cheap works ani kottipareyalem gaa..And her works are definitely elite endhuku ante - some of her ideas were/are relevant to real world.
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wrath,

eviti Vivekananda ni direct abuse...half fried extracts from west....ante aha siva teesadani bhajana chesthara.......

pourusham ye indian aina....pride tho cheppukovalsina perlalo first gandhi and then vivekananda for the sort of recognition he brought onto a science which most of us even today shamelessly forget and worse off, subject to censure.

If there were to be a nobel in philosophy, he would be the first post modernist to have had won it.

Mana RGV teesina first original work chupisthara...for deuce's sake????




Der per your post..it doesn't convey that its RGV's thought..He said "He heard"..he didnt say he read andy ryan or viveka..(strictly going by what u have posted)..he has expressed his opinion about that Unique attire our philosophers choose to wear..

Nothing against vivekananda but
May I know why exactly vivekananda has to wear that dress? kashayam sarvam tyajinchadaniki symbolaa? then why didn't Rama krishna parama hamsa maintain that dress? just curious..

btw,RGV never claimed that all his works are original..
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Der_schuler:

vivekananda's speech at the world congress


any online link? eppatinundo chadavalaani vundi... vunte ivvandi please...
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RGV never ever claimed that all his movies were original. He stated it many times in the blog that, all his movies were inspired from many movies / books... including shiva. He said it 1000+ times.
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Getafix:

Ayn rand has mass appeal and her works are reachable yet elite..so obviously public talk a bit more about her works.. who cares where her works rank compared to Plato,Neische or aristotle.. her works are intrestting and knowledgeable and thats what it counts anukuntunna..




elite ane padam tappu andi...I wud beg to differ....her appeal starts and ends in the realm of urban/punk philosophies. Ayn rand is considered to be a stanadard case study for a pseudo intellectual with a great eye to marketing and branding...

ee rojuki kooda, there is no indv who studied her work with an academic interest and had received a PhD.....

Berkeley school of philosophy lo ivalti kooda.......modern philosophy lo introductory class lo first reading....vivekananda's speech at the world congress
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wrath,

eviti Vivekananda ni direct abuse...half fried extracts from west....ante aha siva teesadani bhajana chesthara.......

pourusham ye indian aina....pride tho cheppukovalsina perlalo first gandhi and then vivekananda for the sort of recognition he brought onto a science which most of us even today shamelessly forget and worse off, subject to censure.

If there were to be a nobel in philosophy, he would be the first post modernist to have had won it.

Mana RGV teesina first original work chupisthara...for deuce's sake????
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Ishan:



Der_schuler:
prapancham antha eastern esp indian philosophy most complete philosophical process ante



I agree with this statement.




Most philosphers agree to that.. William Grant ani okayana story of philosphy ani book raasadu.. he claimed Bhagavad Gita is mother of all philosophies ani..having said that i think the context here is - for an average reader it is not interest in philosphy that makes him/her read the book.. it is entertainment value which is important .. aa perspective lo chusthe Ayn Rand ranks among best and vivekananda, paramahamsa - veella works chala abstract untayi and doesnt give much value except for a serious reader with interest in philosophy.
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Der brother

Spare Ayn Rand.. RGV is a nut and giving much credibility to his statements is little toomuch anukuntunna..

Na varaku views on Ayn Rand - teen ages lo Ayn Rand is a good influence..and for an averae reader her works are interesting and inspiring .. she is too good a writer and did a tremendous job in mixing little philosophy with lot of fiction..

Ayn rand has mass appeal and her works are reachable yet elite..so obviously public talk a bit more about her works.. who cares where her works rank compared to Plato,Neische or aristotle.. her works are intrestting and knowledgeable and thats what it counts anukuntunna..
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1. Why do you contradict everything we say?
Ans: Just for the heck of it.

6. I am quite disappointed to know that you havenât finished âThus Spake Zarathustraâ.
Ans: Donât believe everything I say as most of the times I just say things for effect.

P.S: This answer could be for effect too.
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Mrhyderabad:

Isn't everyone entitled his/her opinion about a book or person?

As far as i could see, RGV didn't personally abuse Vivekananada or any other person in particular.

If you don't like him or his views, THEN WHY DO YOU GUYS READ HIS BLOG?




In your last sentence you contradict the earlier two sentenses. If RGV is entitiled to have a opinion on Vivekananda without even reading his scripts, every others are entitled to form and express an opinion on RGV atleast after reading his blogs.

He gives a damn for these opnions, ofcourse. I somehow liked the guys arrogance and sarcasm towards the people who like/hate him. Great entertaining blog I ever followed. You will love him or hate him. But cant ignore him.
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Vomerica lo emundi thokkalo pandagalu..vasthayi pothayi...evvadiki teliyadu..




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prapancham antha eastern esp indian philosophy most complete philosophical process ante


I agree with this statement.
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Isn't everyone entitled his/her opinion about a book or person?

As far as i could see, RGV didn't personally abuse Vivekananada or any other person in particular.

If you don't like him or his views, THEN WHY DO YOU GUYS READ HIS BLOG?
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Der..

Aa congress valla corruption or whatever ae lekunte nuvvu Deepavali intlo jarupogaligevaadiva? Edi jarigina mana manchike..

Vomerica lo emundi thokkalo pandagalu..vasthayi pothayi...evvadiki teliyadu..


So india lo unna time sadvinayogam chesuki konni punyakshetralu tirigi ra..lekapothe parents ki seva chesuko...etu tirigi Goldman oka 20 billion pakkaku pettindi bonus kosam

Happy Diwali
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bro...long time...ela unnaru




bro .. doing great .. meeru ela unnaru? Howz ur India trip going .. meeru US vachaka call cheyyandi .. I am in Chicago .. so meeru Chicago lo unnattu aithe .. we will meet !

Congi kurrol gurinchi .. Corruption gurinchi matladithe .. oka grandham raasi .. amarulam avvali .. endukante daaniki aadi ledu antham ledu

office ki time avutondi .. sayantram/weekend koolamkasham ga matladukundam !
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RGV celebrety or legend kaadhaa???
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idhi chaduvuthoo...MB ni thalchukuntey......navvagaledhu.....

avunu.....

anni hits theesadu.....Celebrity kaadha...
alagey futs theesadu......Celebrity kaadha...
I'm going to ask these kocchens.....
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Mods..meeku kanipinchatleda posts..rgv ni kukka idiot..emotion ni control lo pettukole




RGV celebrety or legend kaadhaa???
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Der bro nee opinions abuse lekunda cheppu... Mav posts edit chesa, poddhunne dhoola teerindi :-)
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RGV gaa .. peru lo Ramudu, Krishnudu teeseyyi daridruda !!!


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asalu....eerojuna jaruguthunna yedhi kooda nacchani vaadey....andarikantey.....thelivaina vaada?

okkosaari naaku DB lo alaney anipisthundhi.....
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ilaanti topics lo most of us r bebbebbe
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not necessarily....true.....

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naakey thelusu anukuney vaadu.....nasa....thappa yemi ledhu...
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Why DER has done some intelligent Criticism ......Even I am RGV fan but his Spark is Only few times in Life like Pushkaraalu.........,,,,,
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CBN unnappudu chaala transparent ga undevi local governing bodies....YSR totally corrupted the system thus far....no dbts abt it....chaala chaala nasanam chesaru bro local governance ni.....




howdy bro....how is ur trip....sorry to hear about ur passport ordeal.....rest enjoy seyyi.....comming to point...why are you throwing sweeping statements....how can you corroborate the above statement....tdp vallla matalu.....dappunadu headline vallesthunnav......sendra bob tvlamundu sesina comedies ni nuvvu ila chepthunnava.....and yevado inividual...adi kuda oka central govt office lo chesina danini kuda YSR ki anta kaduthunnavaa.....yemanali deenni.....leaving it to your vignatha anyways.
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emi comedy swamy..

der neeku andy ryan meeda oka opinion undi..same rgv ki vivekananda meeda oka opinion undi..evariki ee philosophy nachutundi annadi their personal perspective..whats wrong if one has his own opinion?

Mods..meeku kanipinchatleda posts..rgv ni kukka idiot..emotion ni control lo pettukole povatam..whats the fun of reading philosophy when one cant control their emotion..
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DER & Anand_n lanti vaallu asset for the db....

ilaanti topics lo most of us r bebbebbe
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Godfather _--> See My Whole other post I am the worst to core in Sense of HUMOR ,But ikkada Bomma Oppozite

OT --> Brathar Ann Ryand aney(old lady) author Some Europe nunchi USA ki Vachi 4-5 navallalu Iraga theesindi and she is Movie Script Writer anukunta --all are on the lines of Capitolism .

Basically guru garu intention is RGV gaadu since he has become BIGSHOT with Mumbai Hoods and VIP evado thagilimchuntaadu Ryand Novels ni -->
Just Mandu lo ivaani talk chesthey goppa ....

Thellolaki amo pedda YendaMoori Type Following ...
I might be approximate in these Explanation Guru Gaaru kanniyandi if you got time .
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andy ryan ki enduku bhajana sesthaad vaadu?

basic ga aame bhavajaalam enti ? maku ardham ayettu seppu 6-7 sentences lo
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the bloody novelist doesn't even care to define what rationalism is and resorts to unbridled usage of the term......

Most of the punk junkies in US subscribe to objectivism cuz they find that complete lack of responsibility and a need for self refrain and discipline in her philosophy. Thankfully academia has not stooped to a level where they would accommodate a cheap and filthy philosophy in the hallowed precincts of schools.

Mana desi gallu 99.9% read it cuz they want to be in Sync with popular culture and seldom have any intellectual maturity or worse even, readiness to ask fundamental questions regarding the suitability of self proclaimed philosophy to answer the fundamental ontological question that often times arise under standard frameworks.
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Axiom 2:

the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest; that the only social system consistent with this morality is full respect for individual rights, embodied in pure laissez faire capitalism


This is a dead duck waiting for a trivial postmortem. If the sole motive of ones life is our own happiness (defined by our gross senses), then history and its use for us is completely trivialized.

As an instance, Hitler can hark back from his grave and say that the mass murders of his time were with in complete harmony with his(and his follower's) notion of happiness and rational self interest and hence can't be held culpable of any heinous crime....hook line and sinker.........
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rand's philosophy has this glaring loop hole:

Axiom1 of Objectivism :
reality exists independent of consciousness; that individual persons are in direct contact with this reality through sensory perception; that human beings can gain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive and deductive logic.

Any apparatus of self referential system, will immediately ask the question, if reality already exists independent of our existence then the very inductive and deductive logic that our sense organs need to use should be a part of that reality and hence needs some other perceptive structure to perceive them and so on ad-infinitum.
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janalaki sense of humor takkuva..
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Der

Thanks a Lot for you further answer

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Methhanithodugu:




http://www.teslasociety.com/tesla_and_swami.htm
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Methhanithodugu:




Swami Vivekananda, late in the year l895 wrote in a letter to an English friend, "Mr. Tesla thinks he can demonstrate mathematically that force and matter are reducible to potential energy. I am to go and see him next week to get this new mathematical demonstration. In that case the Vedantic cosmoloqy will be placed on the surest of foundations. I am working a good deal now upon the cosmology and eschatology of the Vedanta. I clearly see their perfect union with modern science, and the elucidation of the one will be followed by that of the other." (Complete Works, Vol. V, Fifth Edition, 1347, p. 77).
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Der has put into perspective of ANN RYAND in most accurate way Good Job .
Naalantodiki this is good Treat to Read Whole Message


But one thing which i am ignorant is
"Vivekananda had tremendous knowledge of physics"

IS there any link to this ?


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idi elaa vundi ante....brahmanandam oka cinema lo kota ni questions adiginappudu.....mental ekki...vaddu mahaprabho...ika chaalu anattu vundi nee post...
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ee RGV thanaku thanu edo pedda intelligent anukuntadu..
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Diviseema:

Der garu , india lo ekkada vunnaru.happy diwali. and oka chinna question Ayn rand ni endhuku eppudu edho okati antaru. RGV edho ante merelli rand meedha padatam bhavyama.




irrespective of RGV, Ayn rand quals to even join the celebrated league of philosophers like vivekananda, plato etc is almost a far fetched proposition. She is afterall a bloody screen writer with no formal understanding of other faculties of rational science/thinking. On the contrary, vivekananda had tremendous knowledge of physics and hence was hailed all around the world as a complete philosopher by the stalwarts of physics like nikolas tesla.....

what puny space does Ayn rand occupy in the realm of post modernist philosophy is known all around the academic world....

Most people (in India) read rand cuz its fashionable and some people use rand in this DB with no understanding of objectivism per se. Objectivism is a cheap imitation of platonism and materialism mixed together drawing (copying would be more appropriate) from Plato,Nietzsche, Schopenhauer and Spinoza

There is nothing original abt objectivism only that she understood that if she can appeal to legitmacy of indiv morality and complete disenchantment to exisiting ethical codes, she can appeal to the beast in every human. She succeeded to the extent that she found her place in the urban punk philosophies in US.

In europe she is considered far lesser than the C grade philosopher that she actually is
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Der garu , india lo ekkada vunnaru.happy diwali. and oka chinna question Ayn rand ni endhuku eppudu edho okati antaru. RGV edho ante merelli rand meedha padatam bhavyama.
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eedu edho western cinema choosi copy kottinantha vesy anukunnadu adhyathmikatha. waste fellow.
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Shawshank:


you are a fundamentalist, extremist anukuntunna !




bro...long time...ela unnaru....india lo unna.....passport meedha lolli pettaru US consulate lo....ninnane kothadhi sampadincha....after 15 days of ordeal and almost 50K investment....chaala baadha vesindhi brother...Indian bureaucracy is going to dogs....esp cong unte...desam lo corruption indices darunam ga peruguthayi......

CBN unnappudu chaala transparent ga undevi local governing bodies....YSR totally corrupted the system thus far....no dbts abt it....chaala chaala nasanam chesaru bro local governance ni.....

inka ninnu evaro fundamentalist annattu telustondhi...lite brother...believe in your ideologies....refine them..introspect them....let us only bother abt bettering ourselves.....DB lo chese comments pattinchukokandi.....our motto is to aquire as much knowledge as we can....only knowledge and nothing else....
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RGV is just a attention seeking mongrel...

Ilaa andaru vaadi gurinchi edo okati matladukovaali aney alanti statements istaadu...
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RGV ni serious ga teeskuni bloodboil chesko vaddhu

just oka funny writer la chuskondi!!


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Der_schuler:

.prapancham antha eastern esp indian philosophy most complete philosophical process ante...




you are a fundamentalist, extremist anukuntunna !
"Dharma" is that which upholds, nourishes or supports the stability of the society, maintains the social order and secures the general well-being and progress of man-kind. - Supreme Court of India
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ayn rand lanti C grade philosopher ni vivekananda tho polusthunnadu....vivekananda is a towering figure in world philosophy....prapancham antha eastern esp indian philosophy most complete philosophical process ante....mana attention craving syndrome tho baadha paduthunna RGV...mathram edho morugutondhi.....ninna maa friend fwd chesadu...look at his ignorance ani

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RGV gaa .. peru lo Ramudu, Krishnudu teeseyyi daridruda !!!
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Der_schuler:



assaludu veedu enni ayn rand books chadivaado, Nietzsche gurinchi emi teluso..ekkado evvado talaku maasina intellectual mandu partilo kick ekki kakki vuntaadu veedu avi quote chesi extra chesthunnadu..

Vivekananda context lo Ayn Rand ni polusthaadu.. that is so ignorant.. ayn rand philosophy veru vivekananda philosophy is at a higher level

konni jeevithaalanthe.. andukane RGV ki Aag ane movie teesadu.. choosi pichi lechindi
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Q: Your quotes sound similar to Swami Vivekananda. Did you go through his works?

Ans: I have never read Indian philosophers as from whatever I heard of them almost all of them have taken off from a half fried understanding of the western philosophers. Their very attire like robes, headgear etc and titles like babas, swamis and yogis prove that. Just imagine Swami Ayn Rand and Baba Nietzsche.


Our very own self proclaimed philosopher RGV. What an idiotic comment.....

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