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     Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 22 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 66.139.11.42 Rating: N/A |
I too have some problem with this analogy even though I get the point. The problem arises when you equalize god with the visible universe. God is unseen and imperceptible with our five senses, but the universe is. Universe is just a manifestation or projection of god and so are we. thanks. | ||
| Sri_anji Side Hero Username: Sri_anji Post Number: 2827 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 216.113.92.2 Rating: N/A |
Naa general knowledge roju roju debbaipotha undi annai  Maa Nanna NTR -- Balayya http://i44.tinypic.com/33uex74.jpg | ||
| Mrhyderabad Comedian Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 1380 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 76.124.219.90 Rating: N/A |
May not be. But how exactly is Solar system helping the universe? Earth is benefiting from moon not the other way. Our sun, solar system etc are just one among billions and billions in universe. Also, many other planets have natural satellites (Titan for Saturn for ex) Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Sri_anji Side Hero Username: Sri_anji Post Number: 2813 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 216.113.92.2 Rating: N/A |
I thought of it.... same thinking sister  Maa Nanna NTR -- Balayya http://i44.tinypic.com/33uex74.jpg | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3799 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Hypothesising here - would the solar system have the same structure without earth's gravitational field ? Would there be a moon ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Sri_anji Side Hero Username: Sri_anji Post Number: 2787 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 64.86.141.133 Rating: N/A |
Who knows...how earth is contributing to UNIVERSE? Maa Nanna NTR -- Balayya http://i44.tinypic.com/33uex74.jpg | ||
| Mrhyderabad Comedian Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 1377 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 76.124.219.90 Rating: N/A |
If the earth is a organ or some part of the body(universe), then it should be contributing something to the well being of universe, right? Isn't it exactly opposite in reality? Earth depends on universe not the other way around, right? Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Linkmaster Side Hero Username: Linkmaster Post Number: 6151 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 12.34.246.72 Rating: N/A |
 "Reputation to be valued more than one's life".. Geetha | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3798 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
I like and agree with Gaia's hypothesis But I do not believe Earth is partial to just humans - I think it has selfcorrecting mechanisms to sustain all life in an evolutionary process I think Then there is the singularity hypothesis that all beings are connectedt o the singularity of the earth and hence intercommected to each other - so earth in the Gaia theory is inclusive of all forms of life on it, I think and evolved lifeforms do tend to correct/balance their environment too aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Sri_anji Side Hero Username: Sri_anji Post Number: 2711 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 64.86.141.133 Rating: N/A |
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| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3797 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
I did and still think that the universe/God is aware of self and can self correct ... Sankhya says the animation of Purusa happens only in conjunction with Prakriti ...so Purusa just exists inanimately in isolation and is really not conscious/aware ... Interesting theory...the analogy given is lame and blind men - Purusa(consciousness) is lame and cannot move - prakriti(matter) is blind - only in combination they have will and ability to move in a desired direction... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3794 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
I started with a simple concept of accumulated consciousness of the beings in the cosmos.. think I am tending towards looking at it in terms of energy and matter - the energy is the consciousness ever present , but only when it binds with matter it becomes the life force/coherent thought So to me consciousness is not a integral part of matter - it is an addendum And probably the source of duality ...aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Chantodu Side Hero Username: Chantodu Post Number: 6061 Registered: 07-2007 Posted From: 12.34.246.78 Rating: N/A |
life rcok avesapadku....extra cuttin ivvaku8...k musukni thread lonchi po... | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Junior Artist Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 965 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
Anand, take it easy! Liberty is too great a virtue to be buried in books | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3793 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: |
Oh really I did a search by your id and I found all posts on politics, especially LSP but not a single post related to movies... Are you above the rules of society ? Rant away this is my last response to you aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Sri_anji Side Hero Username: Sri_anji Post Number: 2697 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 216.113.92.2 Rating: N/A |
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| Eluri_kurradu Side Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 4763 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.19.86.81 Rating: |
mods warn & ban liferocks. Liferocks tammudu if you are not interested, do not participate.. It is as simple as dat.. Ekkado munigi ikkada tela | ||
| Liferocks Junior Artist Username: Liferocks Post Number: 54 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.217.73.191 Rating: |
Oh, so is it not clear to you why the DB is divided into various sections? Movies & Movies is for discussion on movies. Other Stuff will be the place for you. First follow the basic rules of society; then you can think about karma,realization and stuff! | ||
| Sri_anji Side Hero Username: Sri_anji Post Number: 2695 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 216.113.92.2 Rating: N/A |
Reminds me of Mohan Babu's dialogues in Vajrotsavams ... Maa Nanna NTR -- Balayya http://i44.tinypic.com/33uex74.jpg | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 114 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.8.1 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for introducing Gaia Hypothesis. Just glanced thru the article on wikipedia. not yet grasped the elements of it but I do not buy the idea that Earth purposely or consciously maintaining the conditions for life. criticism: >>> In Richard Dawkins' 1982 book, The Extended Phenotype, he argued that organisms could not act in concert as this would require foresight and planning from them. Like Doolittle he rejected the possibility that feedback loops could stabilize the system. Dawkins claimed "there was no way for evolution by natural selection to lead to altruism on a Global scale". >>> defense: >> Aside from clarifying his language and understanding of what is meant by a life form, Lovelock himself ascribes most of the criticism to a lack of understanding of non-linear mathematics by his critics, and a linearizing form of greedy reductionism in which all events have to be immediately ascribed to specific causes before the fact. He notes also that his theory suggests experiments in many different fields, but few of them in biology which most of his critics are trained in. "I'm a general practitioner in a world where there's nothing but specialists... science in the last two centuries has tended to be ever-dividing" and often rivalrous, especially for funding which Lovelock describes as overly abundant and overly focused on institutions rather than original thought. He points out that Richard Feynman not only shared this opinion (coining the term cargo cult science) but also accepted a lack of general cause and effect theory as an inevitable phase as theories evolve, or indeed that some self-regulating phenomena may not be explainable at all mathematically. >>> | ||
| Sandipus12 Junior Artist Username: Sandipus12 Post Number: 39 Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 86.26.205.66 Rating: N/A |
Anand and Nisarga Please continue the Interesting discussion. I have heard of Gaia's Hypothesis, where Earth is able to adjust to various calamities, just like a living thing. Is Earth trying to protect us Humans? | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 113 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.8.4 Rating: N/A |
Anand, what is integral consciousness, per you? 1) does it mean that the consciousness is integral part of matter. in other words is it a basic property of matter? does matter have consciousness like it has mass !? then for a piece of mass is there such a thing as center of consciousness which acts as 'self' of that matter ? center of gravity is to the configuration of a piece of mass-- 'self' is to center of consciousness of mass and its configuration ? 2) Does it mean the whole universe is aware of itself. how about the self here? is it a the highest level? what is the relation between the self of universe and self of the life forms? | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 112 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.8.4 Rating: N/A |
Why do you think it show off the discussion on spiritual stuff!? you can keep yourself off if this stuff is coveted to you. We are not abusing or belittling anybody or any belief here. if this stuff is against DB guidelines here the mods can delete it and ban us. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3792 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: |
LOL - was not aware that politics, economics, caste, etc could be discussed with varying levels of abuse in this Movies DB but spirituality is a taboo and classified as showing off Can someone please publish guidelines on what can and cannot be posted in this section of the DB so we can all adhere to those guidelines... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Liferocks Junior Artist Username: Liferocks Post Number: 52 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 98.217.73.191 Rating: |
To Fools Anand & Nisarga, What are you idiots trying to prove here in this db? What are you trying to show off here? That you people are better than others here? Shut the heck up and get lost you losers. If you are so much interested in spiritual discussions there are better places to prove yourself. Trying to showoff your spiritual side in a movies db doesnt make you morons any sane. Please shut up and get lost. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3791 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
LOL appudu kani devudu kanipinchada ?aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Sri_anji Side Hero Username: Sri_anji Post Number: 2674 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 216.113.92.2 Rating: N/A |
Pinni gaaru... mind block aindi... oka JACK DANIEL + RED BULL padali ippudu   Maa Nanna NTR -- Balayya http://i44.tinypic.com/33uex74.jpg | ||
| Sri_anji Side Hero Username: Sri_anji Post Number: 2673 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 216.113.92.2 Rating: N/A |
EARTH IS A LIVING THING...KAKINAADA IS HEART OF EARTH  Maa Nanna NTR -- Balayya http://i44.tinypic.com/33uex74.jpg | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3790 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Is it really that simple - doesn't most science start as theories sans proof ? So are these theories science or philosophy - e.g theory of relativity And by the way philosophy does NOT deal with faith, it deals with logic, analysis and reasoning ... I'll reiterate part of the quote from my post 3784... For philosophy, the central source of information is inference, and this is clearly emphasized in Sankhya. appears to recognize three kinds of inference : cause to effect, effect to cause and analogical reasoning. The first two types are based on the previous observation of causal connections. Therefore they cannot lead us to the sphere of the essentially imperceptible. Thus all metaphysical statements are based on analogical inference aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mrhyderabad Comedian Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 1369 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
As if i can answer this question in a single post  Science deals with PROOF, Phil deals with FAITH. Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Side Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 4755 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: N/A |
 Ekkado munigi ikkada tela | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3789 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Why ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mrhyderabad Comedian Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 1368 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
Hmmm... too much to explain On other note - You can't relate science with philosophy. That's just my view. Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3788 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Anduke kada a qualifier pettaanu ... for the people who can direct their energies onto this self inquiry ,and those who have the ability to stay focussed on that inquiry only - prati depression patient ki enlightenment analedu kada aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Risingstar Side Hero Username: Risingstar Post Number: 7889 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 67.132.206.254 Rating: N/A |
cool.. akkade untam memu kooda.. veeluntee will call you.. Now everybody will use Colour Paper & Colour TV in Toilet | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3787 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
This weekend aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 13967 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 199.230.203.254 Rating: N/A |
elaa generalize chestharandi....somepeople do have deppression n suicidal syndromes in their personality....andhukey kadha psychiatrists undedhi to diagnose it....introspection cheskunentha mental toughness undadhu allaki.... | ||
| Risingstar Side Hero Username: Risingstar Post Number: 7887 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 67.132.206.254 Rating: N/A |
akkai, washington trip aupoundha? Now everybody will use Colour Paper & Colour TV in Toilet | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3786 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Naku ippati varaku depression raledu, health ki e negative effects kanapadaledu However, I think it is somewhat true the other way round, depression leads to enquiry into life and consciousness.You see a lot of philosophy gurus who say they suffered from depression.. My theory - Depression unnavallaki vairagyam (withdrawal from the world) vastundi, they retreat into themselves and introspect ...Withdraw ayyi energies right direction lo channel cheyyagaliginavallaki shortcut to enlightenment...For normal folks like us just to turn our sights inward requires some work/sadhana
Kids can understand a lot of things They question, I answer
Can you explain why ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mrhyderabad Comedian Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 1366 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
 Kids meeda ee vignana pradarsanalu enduku andi? Happy gaa ramudu, krishnudu stories ayite eady to understand and they have enough masala to keep the kids interested Jokes aside, i was thinking in the same angle couple of years ago... but ruled out that possibility later. Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Linkmaster Side Hero Username: Linkmaster Post Number: 6101 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 12.34.246.72 Rating: |
 "Reputation to be valued more than one's life".. Geetha | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2419 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.192.47.28 Rating: N/A |
consciousness gurinchi think chesthe depression vastundi anta kada ? naa vuddesam lo too much consciousness dangerous , health ki manchidi kaadu anipistondi. meeru emantaaru ? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3785 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
 you crack me up - but a certain irreverence is needed to evaluate theories dispassionately - we cannot question things/philosophies we are in awe of or those that we consider inviolate aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3784 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
A very good explanation is given in the other link Ishan gave on Sankhya on IEP - that site is a treasure trove on philosophy SÄá¹khya recognizes only three valid sources of information: perception, inference and reliable tradition. The ordering is important: we use inference only when perception is impossible, and only if both are silent do we accept tradition. A valid source of information (pramÄá¹a) is veridical, yielding knowledge of its object. Perception is the direct cognition of sensible qualities (such as color and sound), which mediate cognition of the elements (such as earth and water). Perception, on the SÄá¹khya account, is a complex process: the senses (such as sight) cognize their respective objects (color and shape) through the physical organs (such as the eye). And these senses are themselves the objects of cognition of the psyche (which in turn is comprised of three facultiesâthe mind (manas), the intellect (buddhi), and the ego (ahaá¹kÄra). The mind for its part internally constructs a representation of objects of the external world with the data supplied by the senses. The ego contributes personal perspective to knowledge claims. The intellect contributes understanding to knowledge. The puruá¹£a adds consciousness to the result: it is the mere witness of the intellectual processes. According to a simile, the puruá¹£a is the lord of the house, the tripartite psyche is the door-keeper and the senses are the doors. For SÄá¹khya , perception is reliable and supplies most of the practical information needed in everyday life, but for this very reason it cannot supply philosophically interesting data. Things that can be seen are not objects of philosophical inquiry. There are many possible reasons why an existent material object is not (or cannot be) perceived: it may be too far (or near), or it is too minute or subtle; there may be something that obstructs perception; it may be indistinguishable from other surrounding objects or the sensation produced by another object may be so strong as to overweigh it. A fault of the sense-organs or an inattentive mind can also cause a failure of perception. For philosophy, the central source of information is inference, and this is clearly emphasized in SÄá¹khya. ĪÅvaraká¹á¹£á¹a appears to recognize three kinds of inference (SK 5b) (as evidenced by his clear reference to the NyÄya-SÅ«tra 1.1.5): cause to effect, effect to cause and analogical reasoning. The first two types are based on the previous observation of causal connections. Therefore they cannot lead us to the sphere of the essentially imperceptible. Thus all metaphysical statements are based on analogical inferenceâsuch as: the body is a complex structure; complex structures, like a bed, serve somebody elseâs purpose; so there must be somebody else (the puruá¹£a) that the body serves. Of course the analogies utilized are themselves analogies of the causal relation; so it would be a little more appropriate to say that they are analogical reasonings from the effect to the cause, but traditionally the three classes of inference are considered mutually exclusive. The two members of an inference are the liá¹ga, âsignâ (the given or premise) and the liá¹gin, âhaving the signâ, i.e. the thing of which the liá¹ga is the sign (the inferred or conclusion). The last valid source of information, Äpta-vacana, literally means reliable speech, but in the context of SÄá¹khya it is understood as referring to scriptures (the Vedas) only. While the validity of scriptural authority is affirmed, its importance is downplayed: they are never used to derive or confirm philosophical theses. aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 111 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 192.11.225.110 Rating: N/A |
have glanced it. sounds good. but what is the gist of it !? >>> The sub-conscious state we find in animals, which we call instinct. This is almost infallible, but very limited. Instinct rarely fails. An animal almost instinctively knows a poisonous herb from an edible one, but its instinct is very limited. As soon as something new comes, it is blind. It works like a machine. >>> -- this is much similar to what I said about the consciousness in animals ! . >>> The only way to understand Him and the universe is to go beyond reason, beyond consciousness. "When thou goest beyond the heard and the hearing, the thought and the thinking, then alone wilt thou come to Truth." "Go thou beyond the scriptures, because they teach only up to nature, up to the three qualities." When we go beyond them, we find the harmony, and not before. >>> -- The problem with this kind of description is that they mix up levels of understanding and abstractions. We cannot understand this higher state with the aid of thought because thought itself should be absent to realize it. But they try to explain it in terms of lower level concepts..with in lower level context. Yes, thought and knowledge is the only provision for us to understand things but how can they explain the state beyond our context. | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 110 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 192.11.225.110 Rating: N/A |
When I say 'you' here I mean the one to which things occur, which witnesses the events around it, the reference point with reference to which meaning, knowledge, reality exists. without that 'you', rather 'I'... does meaning exist !!? I am saying that 'I' is thought itself. I always wonder if consciousness really exist without the sense of 'I'(self) !? the 'I' may not be pronounced always but it I guess it must be there to some degree. I feel consciousness without I is like a mechanical process. not sure if thought process can really be controlled. UG claimed his thought process fell in its proper rhythm. he said thought comes into play when situation demands. that's why UG interested me. | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 312 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: N/A |
adokatundi kadaa......em sanghamo...aayaniki em droham chesindo ento....enjoy chesukomanu kurrodini..... | ||
| Linkmaster Side Hero Username: Linkmaster Post Number: 6099 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 205.166.218.67 Rating: N/A |
sangam marichaavaa?.. inka ardham kaaledaa? "Reputation to be valued more than one's life".. Geetha | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 311 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: N/A |
Naaku okay......but discussion antoo em undademo coolpix vasthey ani doubt......memu moodu posts vesey lopala...kattu, bottu, OT antoo 100 messages vesthaadu...... edanna advertising panuluntey coolpix ni use chesukuntaam......vachcheyamanu.... | ||
| Linkmaster Side Hero Username: Linkmaster Post Number: 6098 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 205.166.218.67 Rating: N/A |
how aboout Coolfix? "Reputation to be valued more than one's life".. Geetha | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 309 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: N/A |
>>>> I am not so sure of this ...How can we be sure on the behavior of animals... Saw Disney's Earth over the weekend, the maternal instinct and responsibility shown by bears, whales and elephants was amazing...An elephant mother stays back with her calf becasue the calf is too slow for the herd- she cajoles and encourages the calf to keep going for a few more days to reach the watering hole - reactive instinct would be survival of self- not putting own survival at risk to ensure safe passage of the calf :-) SO maybe animals have a better sense of self than we give them credit for...:-) >>>>>>>>>>>> nenu kooda exact idey post cheddaam anukunnaa.......meeru post chesaaru........how strange? it never happened to me like this before........My integral consciousness is wondering whether I know you from a previous life.......... I dont want to discuss with people like Mav, E_K and Link.....I will only discuss with people like you, Nisarga, Neel, Jodha and other like minded people from now on......... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3782 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
I am not so sure of this ...How can we be sure on the behavior of animals... Saw Disney's Earth over the weekend, the maternal instinct and responsibility shown by bears, whales and elephants was amazing...An elephant mother stays back with her calf becasue the calf is too slow for the herd- she cajoles and encourages the calf to keep going for a few more days to reach the watering hole - reactive instinct would be survival of self- not putting own survival at risk to ensure safe passage of the calf SO maybe animals have a better sense of self than we give them credit for... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3776 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
That was a great link - very simple and clear explanation - thank you
Shiva/Shakti lore is definitely more interesting, powerful and self contained among all deities aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 21 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 66.139.11.42 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Anand. Ishan means the third eye of Lord Shiva - I am a big fan of him - Its one of the sahasra nama's of Shiva.
All the sankhya I know is from vivekananda only. I dont think anyone can explain and interpret it better than him. In his complete works, he mentioned sankhya several times. He had a great respect for Kapila muni. Try the following reference. It seems to be a good summary and has authentic references. http://www.iep.utm.edu/s/sankhya.htm thanks. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3773 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Too late - you are already in Try shutting off your brain and if you are successful - let us know how you did it
Hmm - not quite sure of that - I have a thought and then I have another in parallel observing and evaluating the original one - maybe I am getting schizoid  or it is a cycle of awareness of thought spawning another thought ... On a side note, read an interesting article yesterday on how the human brain is designed to avoid thought - and why thinking is not instinctive - it was in a magazine meant for educators on curriculum design and why kids do not enjoy school Pretty insightful.. Read this last night after seeing Ishan's post - may give an explanation to your question on thoughts/awareness.. http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_2/ practical_vedanta_and_other_lectures/a_study_of_the_sankhya_ philosophy.htm Will have to catchup in the evening aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 305 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: N/A |
>>>> sense of self >>>>>>>>>> this is too big to contemplate for me......what is "self" to start with? next "sense of self" keldaam... | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 109 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.35 Rating: N/A |
deer is at a little higher level enough to manifest the illusion of free-will . but the degree of its sense of self is much lowers than that of humans. | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 303 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: N/A |
>>>>>>> so the actions of the lower level animals are all re-actions. they are mechanical >>>>>>>>> you sure? oka fawn velli mother deer tho aatalu aadutundi....deniki reaction adi? ammo, I am slowly getting invlved here.........Keep away pplsuck...keep away........intellectual discussions are a luxury of the elite......you cant afford it........ | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 108 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.35 Rating: N/A |
this is quite in line with what JK says( Jiddu Krishnamurty). his choiceless awareness. | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 107 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.35 Rating: N/A |
you ARE your thoughts. otherwise there is no way to know whether you are there or not. you know you as as a thought only. in the absence of thought there is not much difference between the lower level animals and humans. lower level animal might not have the sense of self. or the degree of their sense of self is very very low. so the actions of the lower level animals are all re-actions. they are mechanical. so is true with humans .... but the as the mechanism of human mind is quite sophisticated and sensitive there is the illusion of free will. | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 299 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: N/A |
Anand, I will catch up with you later...busy now...infact the whole day... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3771 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
I found Vivekananda's explanation of Sankhya theory and read it ...can you recommend any other sources ? Thanks in advance...
You are welcome - Rand evokes extreme emotions - people either love or hate her philosophy But I think Vasudhaika kutumbam is only possible if a person is highly individualistic - and Rand puts it across effectively if abrasively
Century kottinchali ani kanakanam kattinattu unnaru ga aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Side Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 4719 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.19.86.81 Rating: N/A |
bump Ekkado munigi ikkada tela | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2408 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.192.47.28 Rating: N/A |
article chadivanu. last ki confuse ayyanu kaani chadvaadaniki bagundi. thanks for sharing andi. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3769 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Thank you Will research and read up on Sankhya theory .. BTW - nice id - Ishan means sun right ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 20 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.227.112 Rating: N/A |
Anand, afaik, according to sankhya there are 24 principles in the prakrithi evolution. The broad categories would be Purusha>Prakriti>Mahat (all the intelligence of this universe)> Ahamkara (Universal ego)> and there are tanmatras which are again subdivided into manas>5 senses>5organs etc. I am not sure about the chakra theory, but if these chakras are the same ones we see in raja-yoga of patanjali system, yes patanjali's yogic prinicples are highly influenced by Sanmkhya. Sankhya is an amazing system indeed. thanks. | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 13864 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 98.122.82.87 Rating: N/A |
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| Bazooka Side Hero Username: Bazooka Post Number: 6403 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 24.74.125.172 Rating: N/A |
Nandamayaa Guruda Nandamayaa okka mukka kooda artham kavadam ledu ee thaadu artham aithe ee roju manmoham sing place lo nenu unnatu Yes Neve vachi naa ............ | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3768 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Interesting analysis on Ayn Rand's objectivism, collectivism and moral righteousness... http://www.zimbio.com/Consciousness+Studies/articles/60/Ayn+ Rand+Eckhart+Tolle+Destruction+America aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3767 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
From Eckhart Tolle I have mosty read excerpts of his teachings on the net and seen his vidoes on Youtube - have to read his Power of Now - anyone read it ? You are not your thoughts. You are the awareness behind the thoughts. Thoughts are often negative and painful, yearning for or fearing something in the future, complaining about something in the present or fearing a matter from the past. However, the thoughts are not you, although your ego wants you to think that. Awareness of your thoughts without being caught up in them is the first step to freedom. Only the present moment exists. That is where life is (indeed it is the only place life can truly be found). Becoming aware of the 'now' has the added benefit that it will draw your attention away from your (negative) thoughts. Use mindfulness techniques to fully appreciate your surroundings and everything you are experiencing. Look and listen intently. Give full attention to the smallest details. Accept the present moment. It is resistance to the present moment that creates most of the difficulties in your life. However, acceptance does not mean that you cannot take action to rectify the situation you are in. What is important is to drop resistance so that you let the moment be, and that any action arises from deeper awareness rather than from resistance. The vast majority of pain in a person's life comes from resistance to what is. Observe the pain-body. Years of conditioned thought patterns, individually and collectively, have resulted in habitual emotional reactions with an apparent personality of their own. During 'pain-body attacks' we become completely identified with this 'pain identity' and respond from its agendaâwhich is to create more pain for ourselves and others. Observing the pain-body is awareness itself arisingâas it allows humans to separate from this unconscious identification with pain. Eckhart Tolle is not aligned with any particular religion or tradition. Influences which are alluded to in The Power of Now are the writings of Meister Eckhart, Advaita Vedanta, A Course in Miracles, mystical Islam, Sufism, and Rumi's poetry and Zen Buddhism's Lin-chi (Rinzai) school. The book also interprets sayings of Jesus from the Bible. aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3766 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Please do pitch in
LOL Hindi lo sameta undi - telugu equivalent telidu - Ulta chor kotwal ko daante Politics ki ee thread e dorikinda ?aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 298 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: N/A |
evarochchinaa okateley brother.....may be chiru ki chance vastey.........may be some other communities will become rich too......but that guy has too much decency/dignity.......I dont know how long he will survive this field though........ | ||
| Linkmaster Side Hero Username: Linkmaster Post Number: 6034 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 12.34.246.78 Rating: N/A |
prp raavaali ani koru kovatame kaani, aamada duram lo undi.. but better than expected... kurrollu kasta padi prove chesu konte next time... "Reputation to be valued more than one's life".. Geetha | ||
| Whoami Side Hero Username: Whoami Post Number: 5487 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 68.40.67.41 Rating: N/A |
PRP radu anta but Chiru CM anta enjoyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not-Thomas Jefferson | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 297 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: N/A |
ehe....emannaanu ninnu? prati daaniki feel aipoothaavu? good good.....looks like DB is quiet these days...dint visit much the past few days.... Enti PRP vastundaa? all the best too chiru | ||
| Linkmaster Side Hero Username: Linkmaster Post Number: 6032 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 12.34.246.78 Rating: N/A |
thammudu how r u? dengulu ettaku ee raathri puta.. "Reputation to be valued more than one's life".. Geetha | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 296 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: N/A |
if you guys like it, I can participate and ring the counter.....whether the topic at hand will be discussed is the millin dollar question though.... | ||
| Mrhyderabad Comedian Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 1328 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 76.124.219.90 Rating: N/A |
Chaala intresting info laa vundi... i will go through it when i am fully conscious (feeling sleepy now)Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3765 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Nice to know the more people that discuss the better
Thanks for the clarification on Sankhya vis-a-vis Advaita - so is there a projection of how many layers there are between the ultimate and the visible universe- remember reading somewhere that there are 7 planes/dimensions -think it was from the Srimad Bhagavatam...are these the same in Sankhya ? Then there is the Chakra theory that has its 7 levels of realization...do they correspond to these layers then ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 19 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.227.112 Rating: N/A |
The cosmos and its consciousness is what I define as God...everything in it is part of GOD including all animate and inanimate matter ..some parts of our scripture that validate this theory are the Viswaroopa concept of Shiva and Vishnu ...and the Advaita philosophy that says Tat tvam asi, Aham Brahmasmi and Neti Neti... Just want to pitch in in this discussion as these kinds of things interests me. FYI, the validation for this point would be the sankhya philosophy which I would say is the actual science behind the advaita philosophy. The visible universe may not be the ultimate god but it might be the immediate manifestation of the ultimate (sankhya believes there is a thing called as "mahat" (universal intelligence) which is intermediate between visible universe and the ultimate). The only way to realize the ultimate is to cross all these layers of its manifestation. Just my 2 cents. thanks. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3764 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Amit Goswami's take on Quantum Physics and Consciousness...he makes some interesting points Part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s42mrdhKwRA&feature=related Part 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D98KWJ-1geI&feature=related PArt 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7LlTfNKVtU&feature=related
evari pichi vallaki anandam aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Linkmaster Side Hero Username: Linkmaster Post Number: 6016 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 12.34.246.78 Rating: N/A |
 "Reputation to be valued more than one's life".. Geetha | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3763 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
A cute animation .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwyuQbIb0Xs aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Side Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 4703 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.19.86.81 Rating: |
mods thread minimum 100 kottedaka archives loki pampoddu Ekkado munigi ikkada tela | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3761 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: |
The rate at which these topics attract posts , 30 posts pade loga archive avutundi..ila intermittent ga bump cheyyakapote aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Side Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 4695 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: |
weekend ki set ayinattunnaru tripple century kottali anu korkuntunna Ekkado munigi ikkada tela | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3760 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
There are people who claim they can do this too Pranic healing and reiki work on the premise that our consciousness can heal not just our own cells but others as well if we can direct the energy to them What's your take on that ? Could just be good ol placebo effect But the placebo effect itself is kind of unconscious, consciousness healing as well I guess aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3749 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Very true - anduke clarify chesanu "what I define " ani
I would think so
True - it cannot access parts - however, the cells can fix themselves to some extent - it is for us to realize our consciousness, align with the supreme so we can make the energies work for us -Free will(?)- anduke I do not believe in barter of boons/offerings with God annanu okappudu, not sure if you recall
Sorry missed this part in the first answer - Vishwaroopa depiction of God(Vishnu or Shiva) shows God with all elements of cosmos within him aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 106 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.8.5 Rating: N/A |
had just accessed the DB .
I mean the higher level consciousness will know about its composition in terms of its mental/experiential/conceptual constructs only. it cannot just access it parts to mend them if required, like we cannot repair our cells withour consciousness. It is a extremely complex relationship between emerged consciousness and the its constituent parts. change in one has affects in the other. I guess the emergent phenomenon can change itself only when it can change it parts. | ||
| Ibviewer Junior Artist Username: Ibviewer Post Number: 44 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 24.23.195.62 Rating: N/A |
Anand,
That is just another belief. The muslim believes that the Cosmos is separate from GOD. The Hindu believes that GOD is not separate from Cosmos. The Hindu says "All is GOD" whereas the muslim says "ALL is GOD's" | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 105 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.8.5 Rating: N/A |
I wonder what would be the context of the supreme consciousness operates in !! is it only inward. it just knows itself...because there is nothing apart from it !! | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3747 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Pilavagane palikaru , thanks - I was hoping you were in the ROM mode Not sure I understood what you said about consciousness accessing the cells experientially... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3746 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
That you have to figure out yourself - what do you perceive as the goal of your life aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 104 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 123.238.84.136 Rating: N/A |
Analogy is good....but the thing the body does not know about the cells it comprised of. there is no way that the consciousness emerged out of the composition of the cells can access the cells experientially and. the consciousness does not have causal efficacy on the cells without viewing the cell as separate entity. Not sure what I wanted to tell here . Have not watched the video yet. | ||
| Soniafan Junior Artist Username: Soniafan Post Number: 440 Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 117.195.177.232 Rating: N/A |
Viswaroopa Concept antey amiti andi...... Asala who created Cosmos antey....God anukonamu.........Asala Cosmos ey God antey.....ardhamu kaledhu........then what is the use/goal of human life ? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3744 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
This is the way I perceive it - and may or may not be endorsed by any scripture...anyone else can jump in and elaborate The cosmos and its consciousness is what I define as God...everything in it is part of GOD including all animate and inanimate matter ..some parts of our scripture that validate this theory are the Viswaroopa concept of Shiva and Vishnu ...and the Advaita philosophy that says Tat tvam asi, Aham Brahmasmi and Neti Neti... Our consciousness is an infinitesimal part of the Supreme consciousness.. Monna Sandipus1 ki oka analogy ichanu-archoives gone - simplistic explanation I use with my kids - if the cosmos/God is the body(self-sufficient) , we are all cells - cells are born and die in continuous cycles, earth possibly like an organ etc...cells have a function in the body and some do go berserk and work contrary to the wellbeing of the body I do not know if I clarified or confused you more aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Soniafan Junior Artist Username: Soniafan Post Number: 430 Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 117.195.177.232 Rating: N/A |
Kasta konchamu clearga chepputharaaa......mee paina vunna sentence ni Thanks in Advance. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3740 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Not just the earth , the entire cosmos - there is no separate creator from the creation - Integral cosciousness , Advaita philosophy aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cocanada Side Hero Username: Cocanada Post Number: 7477 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 136.181.195.17 Rating: N/A |
yesssss that is what I think exaclty earth is a living thing weather, volcanoes, earth quakes is a bodily process of the earth  Nenu Kadapa lo digi Chiranjeevi kante ekkuva janaala to meeting pettagalanu - OT | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3737 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Nisarga, Interesting video - check it out if you have not seen it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFyJYNqQtIc&feature=related aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale |
