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     Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9462 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.227.203 Rating: N/A |
Incorrect. Purusha is the sentient being and prakrithi insentient. As I said, it is behind every motion in the nature. Without it, Prakrithi is dead. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11591 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
For what ? I mean in your and anyone's definition of God - God is an Acting force- creating, playing, controlling, driving... Sankhya's Purusa on the other hand is not an acting force , does not "do" anything - does not even initiate anything - Purusa is inert... Then how is Purusa = God ? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9461 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.227.203 Rating: N/A |
No, it doesn't. It was a metaphor. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11590 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
This is the key contention  Snkhya lo Purusa ki Will undadu kada The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9460 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.227.203 Rating: N/A |
Because they are behind every action in nature. They are the sentiency in the otherwise insentient nature. They play with nature. All the force and energy behind attraction repulsion love hatred creation destruction manifestation are the results of purusha/brahman. An entity which can play with nature at will is God. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11588 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Nisarga -Vjavasi I thought I was notorious here about drifting - but the two of you took drifting to a whole new dimension 
There is a huge difference. Creation implies a creator...evolution does not need a creator
Hence this question : Can you list the properties of purusa/brahman that make you equate him with theism/supreme god/creator ? Other than infinite timeless existence ? Reason I ask - to create , you need the "will to create" and purusa does not have will - will is attributed to ego... Sankhya does not say Purusa created Prakrithi So how is Purusa the creator ?The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 9049 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114 Rating: N/A |
other systems want people to look inside also to understand what is outside because inside is basis for outside...that's the difference | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 9048 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114 Rating: N/A |
what is it predicting?....Life is as chaotic as it was anytime....if observing material patterns is science then it's of not much value for inquisitive mind intellect or soul......it's unproven theories haven't helped much in understanding the reality of cosmos | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 420 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 123.237.223.230 Rating: N/A |
science is not close. it does not matter what theory it is as long as it can predict the things consistently. what is it that the other system predict/explain correctly that science cannot do!!?? | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 9047 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114 Rating: N/A |
jignasa or inquiry is a way forward for truth.....for that we need an open mind, but modern science conditions us with its narrow scope, biases and emphasis on its so called non existant universal objectivity | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 9046 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114 Rating: N/A |
it's just projection of time...think like this, leave sublime things like mind, ego....let's take five elements earth, air,water,fire and ether...for earth,air,water,fire to exist the first condition is ether should exist....so, logically they all came out of ether...so we can think these gross physical elements as projections from all pervading ether and modern science knows nothing about ether | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11587 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Hit the naill on the head there Letting go of ego is also letting go of your positions and belief systems The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 419 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 123.237.223.230 Rating: N/A |
ego/I/self is fascistic. it always tries to cling to it's belief system using opportunistic/concocted logic. | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 418 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 123.237.223.230 Rating: N/A |
how does it happen? what is the mechanism? is it consistent? we use reasoning to understand things irrespective of basic premises and also it requires consistency .. more so when we want others to buy our idea. is there any other system of inquiry better than science? | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11585 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Not that I know of Anyone else have different takes ?The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1576 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: N/A |
does hinduism impose any limits on truth finding (satya sodhana)? | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11582 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Good link but that perception of light is still through the sensory receptors i did not state why i asked that question but this does not resolve that issue no we do not go blind in our sleep . Why do you ask ? Vjavasi/ ishan , Can you list the properties of purusa / brahman that make you equate him with theism / supreme god/ creator ? Other than infinite timeless existence ? Reason i ask - to create , you need the will to create and purusa does not have will - will is attributed to ego The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 9013 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114 Rating: N/A |
the same applies to godless ego maniac scientists....they can't accept their failures inspite of ovewhelming limitations | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 9012 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114 Rating: N/A |
our theory is simple, as ishan explained below from god or purusha comes prkrithi or ego, from ego mind and intellect, from mind comes ether,fire, water, air and gross earthly elements...... no need for any concocted maths to create theories to prove or disprove anything | ||
| Caddy Junior Artist Username: Caddy Post Number: 985 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 67.159.56.164 Rating: N/A |
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| Jawmetri Comedian Username: Jawmetri Post Number: 1186 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 74.2.215.194 Rating: N/A |
whatever it is, non godless theories cannot be on the highest horse. | ||
| Tilak Junior Artist Username: Tilak Post Number: 248 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81 Rating: N/A |
or incomplete .. anedi lepesaav ga .. dongaaa .. kiki We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 9011 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114 Rating: N/A |
chala alochinchina taravathe aa statement type chesaanu rao garu.....many of these theories are unproven hypotheses | ||
| Caddy Junior Artist Username: Caddy Post Number: 984 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 67.159.56.164 Rating: N/A |
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| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 9010 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.114 Rating: N/A |
enduku antha srama evolution ledhu emi ledhu......i don't see any difference between creation and evolution....creation is nothing but rapid evolution.....the theories of modern science are nonsense or at the most incomplete....you can't understand reality with them....for those who talk about so called electrons and quarks as fundamental particles, can you explain what is space?.....modern science can't even comprehend pancha bhutas properly (earth,air,water,fire,ether)....it has no clue what ether(space) means....In gita krishna talks about total eight elements of his maya (earth,air,water,fire,ether,mind, intellect, ego) and declares only who surrenders to him can understand his maya | ||
| Ruj Side Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 4786 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 174.53.240.142 Rating: N/A |
mee doing good.. ..Q) Telugulo manchi cinemalu enduku ravu?? A) manchi cinemalu telugolaki nachavu kanuka..we njoyy b grade stuff.. | ||
| Tilak Junior Artist Username: Tilak Post Number: 246 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81 Rating: N/A |
Rujjai .. doing good .. yup long time .. how r u? prastutaniki Sambar lo eedutunna  We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak | ||
| Tilak Junior Artist Username: Tilak Post Number: 245 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81 Rating: N/A |
Nevertheless, recent research has revealed that, at least in some cases, even the totally blind might be able to perceive light nonvisually. http://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/2099-blind-people.html Btw .. do people turn blind in sleep? We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak | ||
| Ruj Side Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 4784 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 174.53.240.142 Rating: N/A |
kamalaii..how r u..long time..india lo settle ayipoyava?? Q) Telugulo manchi cinemalu enduku ravu?? A) manchi cinemalu telugolaki nachavu kanuka..we njoyy b grade stuff.. | ||
| Tilak Junior Artist Username: Tilak Post Number: 244 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81 Rating: N/A |
vammo vammo .. nuvvu keka annai .. I mean it .. ! and can these be used elsewhere? ofcourse with due credits !!! We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak | ||
| Ruj Side Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 4783 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 174.53.240.142 Rating: N/A |
ishan bro u rock, stone and mountain..yes Im telling that Q) Telugulo manchi cinemalu enduku ravu?? A) manchi cinemalu telugolaki nachavu kanuka..we njoyy b grade stuff.. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11581 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Ishan, So yes quarks are not, space is not ...Brahman is defined by negation of the known - neti- neti essentially ,what is also called, the God of the gaps . The more you learn , the more that you know is not brahman .. interestingly the theory is that you perceive brahman as light curious -is light perceivable without sight ? Does a blind man perceive light? Just musing The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9459 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.61.86 Rating: N/A |
Oxymoron. Multiplicity excludes the possibility of of infinite oneness. I am not much in to theoretical physics, but all I see in that link are few tenacious theories. It most definitely matters. Existence of particles and filling space suggests mutual exclusivity and their limitations | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11580 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Jujung, Brain and its current patterns/ information drives perception and perception adds more patterns/information to the brain which influence future perception - so its circular feedback loop - not a one way flow ... Were you thinking on different lines ? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11579 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
SPace either emPty or with yet undefined/ imperceptible particles - does it matter ? guna, akara is also a function of the ability to perceive - anything outside the realm of perception can be termed nirguna , nirakara The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 397 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.39.255.35 Rating: N/A |
At the quantum level, they are not limited by space/time in the usual sense. http://www.higgo.com/quantum/laymans.htm (flippant but entertaining) Ofcourse, as you said, this reality would evolve as we have greater clarity. (Or may be not if this is indeed the ultimate reality or the truth for it escapes "logical explanation" by definition.) But I suspect the current state is good enough for "salvation" in practical terms. @anand, does our brain influence our perception or our perception influences the brain? The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9458 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.61.86 Rating: N/A |
 What exists between those particles? | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11578 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
What about an infinite number of finite particles ? Kind of like time The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Telugu_times Moderator Username: Telugu_times Post Number: 26710 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
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| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9457 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.61.86 Rating: N/A |
This proposition has a problem. You are giving name and shape to these "fundamental" particles. That means you are giving them identity within the realm of space and time. That means they are limited by time and space. That which is limited can not be infinite. That which is not infinite can not be the truth. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11572 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Blocked at work but will try it later.The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 412 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.33 Rating: N/A |
http://cognitivefun.net/test/1 how fast can you react? | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11566 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
 Chotu se mat poocho - sheeshe mein jo hain usi ko poocho, samjho, jaano- uski baat samajhne ke liye jo bhi padhna/gana/bajana pade , karo ... sabka taal alag, sabki mausiki alag, sab ka geet alag , sab ke geet suno, lutf uthao,gungunao jo kaano ko besura lage use chodkar , jo acha lage, use apni dhun main jodkar apni dhunmala rangeen banao Par jab chalne ki baat ayen, to sirf aur sirf apni dhun pein chalo Anthara samajh aayaa? Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1560 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: N/A |
chotu! hume ek shaq hain! jub thum be nayi! mein be nayi! kuch be nayi.. pyar be nayi! jub koyi hain nayi tho ee gaanna kyon gaarai? kidar gaarai? khair hume mathalab se kya lena? anthara bathawoo! (anil kapoor: woh saat din, theme: main akal ka kohlu hoon, ullu hoon... goocchu hoon!) | ||
| Stig Side Hero Username: Stig Post Number: 9017 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 69.162.139.10 Rating: N/A |
LSD / Tabernanthe iboga ...  --- Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11565 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Cat got your tongue ? Cheppanu kada scripture studying is for understanding one approach ani and that I was keeping my personal beliefs out of the thread This is my take I am saying experience of "ultimate reality" is a mental state caused by hormones etc. and that these hormones/processes can be triggered by the practices prescribed in the scriptures and by other means Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 410 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.33 Rating: N/A |
Jujung put it well. to add to that, this condition would be deathlike. theoretically, i think there would be no self/I in that condition, there would be no context for I to exist. if one says it is all me now and there is no separation between me and the universe, what does he experience if he closes his eyes? and if his other senses are also shut down? senses are still the basis of immediate experience. this so-called enlightened condition would not give any special insights into reality.this experience is just another way of looking/experiencing (at) reality. anyway, communication or understanding about reality happens in terms of concepts only. Experience is ineffable. thought is there may be because of the fact that we cannot experience all the reality at once. could not put it well what exactly is there on my mind. just rambled. rehash though | ||
| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1557 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: N/A |
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| Tilak Junior Artist Username: Tilak Post Number: 217 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81 Rating: N/A |
aripinchaav ga .. We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11563 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
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And let me propose a corollary to your proposal this ultimate reality can be experienced by shutting off your left brain function through different ways... we had discussed this sometime back and this idea has reinforced for me recently by people who claim to have done this en masse in 3-4 day camps Saint, Light teesukondi - live your life the best you can - everything else will fall into place Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Jawmetri Comedian Username: Jawmetri Post Number: 1183 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 74.2.215.194 Rating: N/A |
]] for you http://www.wikihow.com/Deal-with-an-Existential-Crisis | ||
| Saint Side Hero Username: Saint Post Number: 3190 Registered: 01-2011 Posted From: 65.248.129.30 Rating: N/A |
ilanti threads choosinappudu anipisthundi...asala nenu bathuku thundi earth meedanaa? ivanni telukukoka pothe, maaku janala madhaya bathike arhatha leda? can someone pls clarify.... I'm not a Saint. | ||
| Caddy Junior Artist Username: Caddy Post Number: 887 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 74.63.86.219 Rating: N/A |
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| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 396 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.39.255.35 Rating: N/A |
Well said. Let's propose the following as the truth: "At a fundamental level, everything is made up of quarks and electrons (or whatever particles they would discover in the future) and vast empty spaces." Since both the perceivers and the perceived are made up of these same entities, there is no *real* distinction between them. Object becomes the perceiver. Perceiver becomes the object. So is this the ultimate reality? If not, why not? What purpose is served by knowing this "truth"? I guess it's silly to be worried about the human condition if you really internalize this nature of reality. So, does realization mean seeing the world as a bunch of fast moving particles? And be "happy" (happiness/sadness has no meaning once you realize this, as they rightly describe) forever? Bottomline: I propose that the internalization of the fact that the whole universe is a bunch of fast moving particles is "realization/salvation". ;) The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11561 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Thanks .. Forced parity by reducing to the lowest common factor anipistundi - cos the qualities ascribed to Vedantic Brahman and Kapila's Purusha described in the texts I read are not identical... But never mind - may be just a disconnect in interpretation.I will do some more searching when I have some time Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 9563 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
as always.. solid. | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9456 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.1.194 Rating: |
Nah, perception is reality, but perception is not truth. As perception evolves, reality evolves; When the object becomes the perceiver, ultimate reality aka truth is realized. Truth is always one. We mistake a snake for a rope in the dark. For that moment in dark, rope is the reality, but when darkness sheds, we realize the truth i.e. it is a snake. A child sees that snake as a toy; for him, toy is the reality ; but as he grows, his perception grows because his knowledge grows and he realizes the truth that its a snake. Perception is guided by senses, subjected to the laws of nature. When we go beyond nature, we see the truth. @Anand - Purusha of Sankhya is omnipresent and 'non-compound' entity which is also the exact description of Brahman. Prakrithi is a compound even though omnipresent, according to kapila. | ||
| ~chirutha~ Junior Artist Username: ~chirutha~ Post Number: 222 Registered: 10-2011 Posted From: 91.103.42.50 Rating: N/A |
May be the Truth here needs to be replaced with Perception!!? Be Kool  | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11550 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Ok on public demand- conclusions on this thread 1.Hinduism does not have a stand on evolution 2.Hindu scriptures belong in the past - read them as stories, history or mantras , do not associate scientific discoveries to them 3.Thanks to all for the inputs and Masularex for the comedy track - and as a token of appreciation a little gyan - your camouflaged/ backhanded compliment style will not cut it with Anns now - overt,effusive charm will work better Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1554 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: N/A |
 ... ayina adem question? naadi che okete kulam jaathi ani kinda kashayam kurrod eppudo decide chesaadu gaa! ade anukoraada? inthaki nuvvu nenu okate color aa? | ||
| Gandhiguevara Megastar Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 26015 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 66.151.13.188 Rating: N/A |
baabu meeru evitlu  | ||
| Tilak Junior Artist Username: Tilak Post Number: 194 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81 Rating: N/A |
Somayajulu should know when Sama, Dana and Bheda work/fail ... We should be ever grateful to those heroes who upheld the honour and dignity of our nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji was our national hero, who established swarajya and liberated the people. The celebration of Shivaji festival is an occasion for expressing our gratitude to him. If we cherish the memories of our national heroes we can promote in ourselves a nationalist attitude. For promoting the sense of nationality, it is necessary to have national heroes whom people can worship as idols. - Tilak | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11531 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
I sympathise with the poor managers and the the HR dept. Don't forget to send me a link when you do
Nah I have a teenage son who has an uncannily similar SOH to you and we spar with wordplay all the time... So meeru nijamga serious ga anna , I probably will not take it so unless you explicitly qualify it Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1553 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: N/A |
not much exactly! other than the mails I frequently send to our hr department (usually against the line managers and admin department)!  but I'll do it soon and before that I have to improve my language skills a little! most likely a blog. will certainly let you know about that once done! I hope you're not taking any thing to the heart! it is just monkey business!  | ||
| Oohlala Side Hero Username: Oohlala Post Number: 2059 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 173.36.196.11 Rating: N/A |
antha scene ledu,time ledu light teesukondi....... | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11527 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
You didn't my question. So you write creatively - Other than in the db ? If so , would love to read Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1552 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: N/A |
here you go again! painting me with the same color I am presently sporting and telling that there is a problem, with out specifying what is that problem is? before questioning me, did you read my first two posts in this thread? I've clearly expressed my opinions about the religion's failure in connecting dots, ambiguity inside the op's question, the digression of the whole discussion right from the onset and futility of such discussions! where did I pretend that I don't know the answer and pursuing some thing meaningful? then what is the real issue with my posts? and please let me know, as per your estimates, how many participants (active and rom) of this thread might have started with an opinion A and subsequently changed it to an opinion B or X, by the end of this discussion! then why were you singling me out? before poking me, why haven't you thought that you're picking up a wrong guy for a wrong reason? let me guess from where the real problem came! when people see the key words like hinduism evolution dharma vedic notion etc they straight away go into a mood of tranquility and divine pursuit! almost like shankarabaranam movie! somayajulu had a heavy lunch and comfortably seated in his kacheri. room was filled with calmness and incense smoke! consorts are busy in wrapping pans and filling water bowls. students were busy in tuning their musical instruments! only sounds audible were cleaning sounds from the kitchen. manju bhargavi hastily finished work in her kitchen and headed straight towards somayajulu's house. she went there sat outside of the house, leaning against a post just besides the steps. somayajulu started singing, melodiously divinely. manju as usual went into to a trance. with closed eyes, slightly nodding her head, she was saying like "aOoha"!!! somayajulu still singing "La La La"!!! out of sudden a monkey barged in, and he tried to sit there and started shouting some thing incoherent! somayajulu not surprised. he handled monkeys before! first he sang a lullaby! the monkey didn't budge. then somayajulu tried a well known keerthana in chaste sanskrit! now the monkey got agitated and started heckling and started doing more kicha kicha! but the unflinching somayajulu true to his credit, instantly composed and sang a javali, full of ultra sonic, egg crippling and metal crushing sounds! and now the monkey looked little dazed. but all this not went well with our manju. she had a better approach to handle this unruly monkey! she went inside, pointed her finger at the monkey and shouted! "hey monkey! sshh! keep quite or go out side! you don't have any business here! you are besur!" | ||
| Tilak Junior Artist Username: Tilak Post Number: 168 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81 Rating: N/A |
yes .. nee kosam kamal id attepettaa
aithe .. Rig Veda lo cheppinattu .. "Ekam Sat, Viprah bahuda vadanti" anedi tappantaav .. bcoz .. it claims 'truth is ultimate and unique' .. but nice post .. Offer me the entire world and I would still prefer to be a slave of India and Hindutva .. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11524 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Nice video but it is pieced together from other videos anukunta. the voice and illustrations were very similar to Mysteries of a sacred universe - aa video inka detailed ga untundi watch it if you have an hour or so to spare Chitti, Don't challenge our tenacity Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Chitti_v2 Side Hero Username: Chitti_v2 Post Number: 4383 Registered: 01-2011 Posted From: 69.141.115.90 Rating: |
ok....enni rojul laaguthaaru gaani baatam line ettandi | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11523 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
MS, you lost me somewhere in that long post what are you trying to say ? Is obfuscation is the new fad in the db ? Emi cheppali anukunnaro straight ga cheppandi pls oka simple exploration loki egos,checks etc etc enduku vachayo na burraki andaledu Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 6634 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: |
theory, truth, science - too vague to even take the path of correlating one with the other. observation is what we do, we would do better to discuss our observations, while keeping our egos stunted in realization that we are no where near what we think we are. the great mind who proposed the theory of evolution was humble enough to accept the frailties in his methods, and to an extent in his own speculations(yes that's right, thats exactly what he called his theories, based on his observations). it was surprising to see him apologizing for the speculations he made to propose the theory he did. he did not wait for someone to prove genetic correlations between beings, a reason for him to think that his speculations might remain just those. A theory however half baked it might appear, might have some gravitas to enlighten us. to me, these parables of our civilization are a window in to the past, a window into a dark room, where my imagination is a beam of light trying to grasp what they were. their truths are not our truths, my truth is not your truth. and today's truth is not tomorrow's truth. truth like science is not absolute, it evolves. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Oohlala Side Hero Username: Oohlala Post Number: 2058 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 64.102.249.7 Rating: N/A |
I am almost where ?? why should yours or anyone elses quest be unpleasant to me.... I do not have enough knowledge to frame any opinions and always open to reflect on different views. My point was...it didn't seem like you were in pursuit, more like you already know the answer and you were waiting for everyone else to agree or I could be day dreaming.....anyway, lets not digress ... | ||
| Dma Side Hero Username: Dma Post Number: 4768 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 98.174.228.58 Rating: N/A |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ECrTI0P43Q | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11511 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
I do not think anyone refuted that But if we curtail the relevance of those scriptures to that period, is there any benefit to the future generations in keeping and transmitting them forward except as museum relics ? If so what do you think it is ? And if you noticed I asked the question with respect to timeline...
How does that make a difference except for word substitution - will the word Hindu be eliminated or redefined then ? Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 37361 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: N/A |
consider our scriptures as texts from ancient period. the scriptures belong to the society that existed during that time. stop using the word hindu..but instead use the word "indian". from royal to divine | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 37360 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.254 Rating: N/A |
Kamal thammud nuvve naa? from royal to divine | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11510 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Unified will not make sense - cos many of the schools of thought are divergent and will contradict each other Independent within a school of thought would be interesting to explore... Ishan put forward Sankhya's I extrapolated from Sri Prabhupada's commentary on Gita/Srimad Bhagavatam Does the Upanishad Cocanada referenced have its take ? Or the vedas ? Or other schools of thought under the umbrella ?
You did not answer the previous question but are you suggesting we we dissociate ancient scriptures from current day knowledge ... Are they irrelevant in current world then ? If no , then how do you connect that relevance ? And how do you think that stance would help Hinduism(If you acknowledge such an entity ) ?Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Jawmetri Comedian Username: Jawmetri Post Number: 1181 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 74.2.215.194 Rating: N/A |
hinduism doesnt have a stand. and my brain cant think up a unified theory that has evolution,karma and re-incarnation. | ||
| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1551 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: N/A |
yeah, prospects aren't really pouring in even with out a snarl! king kong may wants an Ann! but Anns have other ideas! simple stale and less adventurous! | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11509 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
A little oxytocin should fix that Shaadi kar lo - all set - though a hammer on the head and/or torn out hair and prowling around with a permanent snarl may deter prospects - think it over Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Tilak Junior Artist Username: Tilak Post Number: 153 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81 Rating: N/A |
as usual .. u rock .. Offer me the entire world and I would still prefer to be a slave of India and Hindutva .. | ||
| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1547 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: N/A |
let the kids\kitten fight their own battles, it might help them to grow! solitary carnivorous roaming male animals are definitely not known for their maternal instincts! rest:  | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11508 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
So what in your view is a better approach ? Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 37359 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 98.17.78.83 Rating: N/A |
asalu ee thread initiator question ye wrong. why should hinduism have a stand on evolution? asalu ee associative learning valle mana India ila tagaladindi. hinduism doesnt even have a holy book. its all western perspective that religion should have a prophet and holybook. Bhagavadgita is not the ultimate scripture. It is one of the upanishads. so, first thing we have to learn is stop considering hinduism as religion and think out of the box. over the years indian civilization's stand on evolution might have changed many times. from royal to divine | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11507 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Correction - alongside the giantwheel - B is stationary did I spell and type that right unlike comdescending Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11506 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Masularex, believe me , I totally get and appreciate the comic, razor-sharp wit of your posts and i can laugh at myself easily too - so all is well I don't take offense and I don't think you mean any However, not everyone here can - so it might help to be a little cognizant of that fact As to the analogies and positions - think of the perspectives of someone riding a huge giant wheel(A) versus someone suspended at one starting point(x) on the giant wheel(B).. Both abserve the world around them at x - and their observations and inferences will be identical at the the begining before the giantwheel starts moving But after one revolution A's inferences of the data available will be very different from B , what looked like a red circle on the ground from top by A& B will now be understood by A to be an umbrella as seen from the bottom Does not mean A never has a position , just that it changes position to observe from a different perspective every so often and when this giantwheel does not turn up anything new find a rollercoaster Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1545 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: N/A |
well sir, each to their own! when I googled for this "Trever kendol mutation", first result was your earlier post! did you mean it as a joke? instead of telling few selected verses or selected notions, why don't you take some time and effort to put here that all the chronology of Man's fast, present and future available in Hinduism? any one can guess that this is the best way to silence all of those morons who think that this entire religion thing is a sugar coated and aromatic bs (instant gratification guaranteed), which is greedily and eagerly consumed by the ultimate morons of this world! that long post was meant for Oohala! putting analogies serious silly comical whatever is a trait I got during my little stint as a teaching faculty! that is a good way to connect with moddu abbais and ammais! I respect the way you want to deal the things! quest can be undertaken from any position! use dialectic and dialogic approaches to reach the conclusion (almost similar to giving type writers to the monkeys and waiting till one of them produced a sonnet!)and still respect. and finally I also respect that you have a stand that says "no stand is required for any meaning full discussion"! wait a minute! you have a stand on some thing? period. exclamation. question mark. and more respect! (some one insert one big oxymoronic face here, if such thing exists!) | ||
| Ipad Junior Artist Username: Ipad Post Number: 659 Registered: 03-2011 Posted From: 174.17.17.83 Rating: N/A |
theory of evolution is not accepted theory in the scientific community itself. Trevor Kendal mutation is some what acceptable journey from single to multiple complex organ by evolution is a big joke lords 10 incarnation in Hinduism very clearly states how life originate in every cycle after snow age. Humans never came as a result of evolution they share common genes of some species. Every animal on this earth was created with a clear you print DNA. theory of evolution is a big bs | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11494 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Something in your long post reminded me about our discussions in positions. A quest for truth can be undertaken from any position ...however, the prerequisite is that we are willing to let go of that position if the inquiry turns up strong evidence against it and that requires a certain detachment from that position - else our attachment to the position makes us torture the data to tell us what we want to see so we do not have to let go of the position and that applies to every position The delving into scripture(atleast for me) is not to claim hinduism had it all before 'others' if that is what you meant by protecting modesty ... Does not make a difference it is an inquiry into history and past understanding of human development - religion and social practices impact naturAl selection of humans - so you cannot separate them I look at it this way - irrespective of what motivates people if they post their views and references - it adds to my own repository of dots to connect Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1535 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: N/A |
you were almost there! my line was clear; first, why does hinduism has to take a stand on human evolution? and for the record, I am not a hater of hinduism or any other religion, moreover I am an admirer of the truth! regrets, if the path I am taking for that truth exploration is daubing me with an unpleasant shade (to you). I know how to use a keyboard and I know how to construct a sentence, instead of waiting for some one to do it for me, if I wish I would rather express my views freely any where! any time! the concept of the human evolution is a radical and a course changing abstraction. it should be discussed with in the realm of modern scientific disciplines (anthropology, archaeology, linguistics and genetics etc etc). try to picture a piece of raw cloth. after with some radical approach, creative brain power and experience, some one or a group of people turned that raw piece of cloth into a fine and pretty frock! which is by design will be only looked good on a ten years old girl. now take that pretty frock away from that pretty little girl, and try to put it on a silver back gorilla! or better catch all the thousands of chimps in the forest, group, and try to put that single piece of cloth work across all of them! whose modesty we are trying to save here? and why? does the beast care? if some one is all holy molly about this chimps modesty saving operation, certainly they have a right to feel and behave so. after all this a free world, you pursue whatever interests you and you are free to express what ever you think appropriate! err. did I say that? so what does the little girl in a pretty frock do in reality? other than piggybacking on a big sis and branding people? it's party time. jump in. throw some mud and have a blast! | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11489 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Its one thing to claim this , its another to illustrate/demonstrate it - what makes you say it is in the system's genes ? I put my theory across - I am looking for more references Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Ntr_rocks Moderator Username: Ntr_rocks Post Number: 31108 Registered: 04-2009 Rating: N/A |
Elanti threads lo Kamal and Der vunte bagundedi...release cheyandi Der annai ni...  | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 4817 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 4.26.17.58 Rating: N/A |
hinduism fundamentally believes in evolution cuz that's in the system's genes. hinduism has evolved over the years and has eliminated, assimilated various thoughts and ideas. there's no one entity and what was the ism 5000 yrs ago is not what it is today. unlike the abrahamic religions which have a source/book and are largely bound to that. they may have an argument against evolution - not hinduism. it would be paradoxical if we did. caesar is home | ||
| Oohlala Side Hero Username: Oohlala Post Number: 2049 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 107.3.138.58 Rating: N/A |
Not really sure what you are really looking for, I could be presumptious but seems like you want someone to explicitly say that Hinduism doesn't have any particular stand on evolution. Anand's answer kinds of makes sense to me, the concept is probably implicit in the scriptures allowing people to draw inferences and conclusions based on their beliefs. | ||
| Gandhiguevara Megastar Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 25747 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 24.13.147.116 Rating: N/A |
Asthikulante meerenaa? Asthikalante sareeramaa? Silaa gopuram aalayamaa? Sata gopurame archanamaa? I need answers | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11485 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
I can vouch for that approach - it worked for me i onlyy started reading theory later to verify of others had similar readings Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11484 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Sena- ikkada oka disclaimer - naku pedda nammakam ledu karma siddhantam meda - mee questions ki theory based answers istunna someone who passionately believes in it may give you better answers ... Ayina ippudu karma siddhantam enduku meeeku - konallu veeti gurinchi alochinchatam maneste better meeku Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11483 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Genetic progression - the fact that 90+ percent of our genes are commOn with a fruitfly - number may be off but you get the idea Mee karma in raising a poisonous snake , its karma in biting you if it had a choice - your past karmicdebt you have to pay off in current janma - any or all of the above Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Senapathy Side Hero Username: Senapathy Post Number: 7904 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 137.131.212.40 Rating: N/A |
Enti adi?
Thats very limiting. Ippudu nenu free will tho oka paamu ki paalu posi penchithey, one day ki kasakk ani katesi, naa kaalo cheyyo tesethey, would I have to believe its the nature of the snake or effect of my free will karma. I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza | ||
| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1533 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: N/A |
no! I don't feel if some one is try to comdescending me (really what was that hell comdescending any way? google failed!) my answer was straight! my bad! may be you have missed the timing! I am not a regular reader of books on philosophies and humanities. for that, I usually try to read the poor bugger who always shows up in my mirror! not sure whether that worked or not! | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11482 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Oka scientist ayyi meeru adugutunnara ? Because there is evidence Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11481 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Union with paramatma for all ?
Karma only accrues to the extent will and choice manifests - so bacteria ki undadu afaik anduke oka long discussion ayyindi karma siddhanta ki prerequisite free will ani manaki free will ledu anukunte everything is the creator's karma as you said Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Senapathy Side Hero Username: Senapathy Post Number: 7903 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 137.131.212.40 Rating: N/A |
Idi true ani enduk anukovali? Common I say.. I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11480 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
So let me ask you something - As Nisarga said evolution as a theory came much later... So hinduism approves or disapproves of the theory ane possibility ledu ... What are you thinking will answer the op ? Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Senapathy Side Hero Username: Senapathy Post Number: 7902 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 137.131.212.40 Rating: N/A |
That is a possibility, provided the souls are in a waiting room for evolution to kickstart again. Wiping off situation vasthey enti sangathi. Also did first tier bacteria have a choice to evolve or was it a natural phenomenon. Appudu vaatiki kooda karma attest seyyala. Or isnt all karma rooted to creators karma of seeding life from bacteria. I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11479 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Why out as far as i Am concerned humor is very much needed in these discos Brahma or vishnu could also be the top level observer in string theory Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1532 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: N/A |
uumm! ok! sorry for digressing or trying to stop the digression(?)! petty and avoidable collisions aside! what is the final out come? does hinduism have a stand on an important philosophical issue pertaining to the mankind? it's stand on the human evolution? or that stand has a past? color of that past? depth of that past? width of that past? proper interpretation of that past? mixing different interpretations into one identifiable past? which seems to be more important than original question! please continue! | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11478 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Sena, I am trying to keep my personal beliefs out of this discussion and just stAy my interpretation of the texts Karma siddhantam in itself can answer those questions - we may not find them acceptable because there is no way to validate Let me put another spin to thAt question - death in karma siddhantam is only a transit station - not a punishment kada - manchi dinosaurs ki salvation or higher life, chedu dinosaurs ki lower life form vachindi emo - ela cheppagalam ? Masularex, Just struck me - did my question on whether you had heard of dialectical .... Come across as comdescending? If so i am sorry - that was not the intent - it was just a question cos i thought you liked reading philosophy Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Immotional_hatyachar Side Hero Username: Immotional_hatyachar Post Number: 2841 Registered: 05-2011 Posted From: 99.111.72.15 Rating: N/A |
all the die-no-saws were corrupted politicians in their last life... so they were put into prison in this life as die-no-saw and hanged on the same day... ba seppana? everything is an engineered drama by Brahma... but who is Brahma... lolll this is meant to be a j/k ... please continue ur intellectual disco... nenu out Chinnu:Evadraaa babu aa posters eesindi .. Nandamuri ani kooda sariggaa raayaledu .. thuu edavalu Coolmac 2 Chinnu: akkada prestige motham debba ayipothunte, neeku spelling kavalsochindhaa | ||
| Senapathy Side Hero Username: Senapathy Post Number: 7899 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 137.131.212.40 Rating: |
Sorry for digressing, ippudu oka asteroid vassi earth ni matash settey, what does karma theory justify that? Evolution bottleneck lo Indonesia lo Toba volcanic eruption appudu, we were reduced to about 1K breeding pairs. Appudu I bet the selection was random. How does Karma effect the poor souls.. Dinosaurs lo manchi dinosaurs leva? I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11477 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Its interesting - brain and its workings esp with respect to language - found it while browsing in the bookstore
I was hoping you'd tell me what was missing in the post 11468 - for me to communicate better you have a way with words - do you write ? I mean creative writing ?Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1531 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: |
just heard and understood (hopefully! I presume and you better do the same) but when? why? how? and where? (again I presume, you know the code!)(ashton! careful! some thing going on here) ssh!!! what else we have other than giving typewriters to all the monkeys out there? got some working grey matter? bingo! post next! I am all ears! | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 409 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 123.237.218.151 Rating: N/A |
i did not. i dont know about it. . how is it though. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11474 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Meeru okalle missing ee thread Good to see you Hinduism is older than Charles Darwin , but it is not older than the procss itself.. My assumption is that OP question stems from the church and evolution conflict - and whether hinduism has a similar conflict SO trying to find references within the hindu texts that talk about intelligent design creationism or evolution BTW- did you at any time recommend Conversations with Neil's mind - I am reading it now and had a vague recollection of someone mentioning it Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 408 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 123.237.218.151 Rating: N/A |
what happening here!! antha chadive vopika ledu. hinduism enti evolution enti. hinduism is , i think, much older than evolution thru natural selection theory kada!. so hinduism stand telusukovadam ante reverse engineering kada!! aina how does it matter which theory it is...as long as the theory can predict things things consistently. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11472 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
No, you are not I thought I did address the op with my post 11468... What did I miss with that post ? As to the other digressions though - dismiss them as meanderings of my mind if you can Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1530 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: N/A |
what all I am trying to... say convey request beg intimidate twist whatever... your philosophical intellectual engrossing outstanding not_so_outstanding inquiries explanations improvisations... are all fine! in fact so fine that better than ever! but... also do some justice to the op! am I on a wrong way? | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11471 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Well then the Gods would not have to descend, he would ascend to find the Gods wouldn't he In anycase , people in such a rush will go to some instant enlightenment camp , not hang around in the DB so I am not worried about mangled and stained walls
Neither Heard of Dialectic and dialogic approaches ? Throwing all the ideas/concepts out there and We can bring them together dialectically or allow for the relativistic dialogical interaction Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11470 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Gita does say that your actions in this life drive the next and your thoughts towards the end have a lot of bearing on the next birth... But I think edicts to the detail like the ones you talk about were an attepmpt at driving social behavior toward what was considered optimal at the time - I also know it is these statements of mine that enrage purists Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1529 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: N/A |
so either we are just searching for a question for which we already have an answer or we are trying to create a comprehensive and full proof answer to a question that yet to be asked. it doesn't make much difference! patience is a virtue and not all can posses it. what if an impatient enquirer who is following all of this discussion, started banging his head on the wall and passed away before the gods of experience and of the gnan descended from the higher up and revealed the ultimate truth? would the gods feel sorry about that poor soul? and about the mangled wall? | ||
| Senapathy Side Hero Username: Senapathy Post Number: 7896 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 76.88.32.171 Rating: N/A |
Antey ippudu nenu mutton sikini bega tinadam valla, next life lo I will be born as an animal. Aa life li inkemanna kakkurthi padithey I will be born as something else of lower form.. I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11469 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
eggjample ? Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Senapathy Side Hero Username: Senapathy Post Number: 7894 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 76.88.32.171 Rating: N/A |
Broadly speaking yes. But how does it justify the minor regressions of bad karma.. I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11468 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: |
It was while reading Srila Prabhupada's commentary on Bhakti Yoga that this fell into place in my head...So here's where I think evolution has been referenced "God did not create man as the first incarnation of the soul.Manava janma comes after a soul has gone through multiple janmas in lower life forms (I think the number quoted is 840,000 species) up the evolutionary chain... The progression or regressions up and down the chain is attributed to karma/actions in the previous janma ...albeit under daiva netrena(divine supervision) there is no divine interference mentioned" Based on knowledge of evolution we have now,I think that is an explicit reference to biological evolution to human form... Dasavatara depicts the supreme soul taking those multiple forms - though there is some debate on the chronological sequence of the avataras not matching the evolutionary pattern Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11467 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Patience I was trying to get other people to put their views because I have disccussed my own on this topic before in the DB I'll post it again a bit
Exactly why you need to put across the various theories available under the umbrella of hinduism Most people's idea of hinduism is limited to their practice, the rituals and beliefs..just saying your question is wrong, find the right question does not help , does it Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Ipc302 Moderator Username: Ipc302 Post Number: 12222 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
i don't think people are interested in knowing the current stand of hinduism on evolution...the current stand to incorporate the existing societal norms into a science is a bit problematic...we can make up some mumbo jumbo because w e have the knowledge of hindsight and a better scientific process...rather the question that everybody should be interested is to know whether hinduism has or had any scientific outlook in it's origins... coming to the point about the current state, some hindu baba's or clergy are taking a cue out of monotheistic religions to prove that their is a rigid stand in hinduism about every worldly issue...it would make it easy for them to propagate their beliefs or thought process...fortunately we Hindu's don't fall under a single umbrella and we have not accepted a singular religious authority... | ||
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| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1525 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: N/A |
correct me if I am wrong, what I am assuming after seeing the op, purpose of this thread is to know the present stand of hinduism on the human evolution! not to know all possible interpretations of it available in hindu literature and associated philosophies! that question indirectly implies that the hinduism is more or less like one another organized religion where the clergy or the accepted religious authorities should/must take a stand on every worldly issue! that entire premise is debatable! when the implied subject in an inquiry itself is disputable, how could one come to the right conclusion and contribute to the answer? digressions are always welcome here since nowadays such discussions are rare. but they should wait till the op answered or at least tried! first questions first! and coming with another question is usually considered as a bad answer! see the pattern and the preaching! I am good at giving bad answers! | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11466 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Bumping the thread to prevent archiving Back to stand on evolution - sankhya's evolutionary concept is the same as modern day science's - random recombination till success... Does not involve an omnipotent god wilfully creating life... So sankhya really cannot be called a religious theory - as we associate religion with God .. Lets go further down the time line to post vedic period - how does brahman and evolution work together ? Sena/Ishan/Getafix/cocanada, Thoughts? Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11448 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Agree But which of these comes anywhere close to Kapila's Purusha ? The only one I can think of is the allegorical Shiva-Sakti concept that claims Shiva without Sakti is Shava(Inert and inactive Purusha)Life only starts with the interplay of the two.
Idi kuda transposition anukunta. Nireswara is denial of iswara.It results in denial of vedas because iswara is integral to the vedas Kapila's Sankhya is classified as nireswara Sankhya...Even if the classification was done after the vedic period - it does not make sense that they would classify it that way.. If you think the above is wrong - can you please give me a reading reference. Also for why you think Purusha is the same as Brahman - would like to read that Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9455 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.170.104 Rating: N/A |
Pardon my French, I meant kapila initially said that there is only one Purusha, he never referred to Brahman. Of course, Purusha is the older concept. U Tiberius... | ||
| Senapathy Side Hero Username: Senapathy Post Number: 7867 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 137.131.212.40 Rating: N/A |
Samkhya had a vast influence on the yoga and the various vedantic schools of hindusim. Each school differed on the definition of Brahman and interpretation of prakriti. So there is no simple correlation between the two concepts. I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza | ||
| Thelegend Moderator Username: Thelegend Post Number: 11507 Registered: 04-2008 Rating: N/A |
we respect evolution ani chepparu | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11447 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Thought so - malli Kapila said it was akin to Brahman ante doubt vachi adiganu To me Kapila's Purusha is very different from the Vedic Brahman.Sankhya is dualist - Purusha and Prakriti are separate entities. Blending Purusa and Brahman into a like entity is later day evolution anukuntunna Have to go - TTYL Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Senapathy Side Hero Username: Senapathy Post Number: 7865 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 137.131.212.40 Rating: N/A |
Samkhya is the oldest of schools and the concept of Purusha, prakriti precedes the concept of Brahman was known in Vedantic schools. I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11446 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
So which concept came first ? Brahman or Purusha ? Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Senapathy Side Hero Username: Senapathy Post Number: 7856 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 137.131.212.40 Rating: N/A |
 Nuvvu samanyudav kaadu. TFI lo Jagggu bhai laaga nice pellow vi..
Kamal dorling. Howdy? Adedo job setting sethha annav naaku. Whats the news yaa I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9454 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.170.104 Rating: N/A |
Kaadu. Nireeswara means the one who defies Vedas. The main problem with sankhya is that it indicates the existence of multiple purushas which is totally different from vedic concept. Yes. Evolution is all about adaptation to changing conditions. Nature always changes and so do we. Kamal U Potato, I am fine howz incredible India? Well, if purusha is the ultimate reality, then its same as Brahman of vedas...actually kapila said that in the begining, but then he contradicted by saying multiple purushas can exist...this lead to confusion. So its strictly not an atheistic. LWA annai howdy? its not the gods that evolved, its the human concept of gods...god is always one and the same. | ||
| Bunty717 Moderator Username: Bunty717 Post Number: 24059 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
biologically..monna old Hyd pic chuste anipinchidi.. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11444 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
There is small flaw there... To pray , you had to have humans so evolution to humans would already have taken place.. Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11443 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
more interesting is failed at what? Social engineering(not the hacking kid) is the most rational and least accepted answer to that questionBeauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 8257 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 98.221.83.14 Rating: N/A |
Hindu GODs also evolved over the time IMO. First we used to pray to pancha bhutaalu (after big bang only atmosphere was present for long time before life took place) Then started relating GOD to animals Then God evolved slowly into human form (Rama, Venkat etc) We gave diff meaning to god as we learned more about us and the universe over the time. Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of hours per day that were given to Helen Keller, Pasteur, Michaelangelo, Mother Teresea, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 6611 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
failure or insufficient proof is an important criteria for evolution of theories or sciences. new theories come into place only when existing theories cannot answer a question. so failed theories are not all bad. they are just another stepping stone, if anything else. the kicker is what are the failed theories ane arguments the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11442 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Science or religion or philosophy , theories abound everywhere. As long as there is a rational process of continuously revalidating the theories , what is the issue ?
Biologically or as a philosophy? Either case the answer would be yes Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Caddy Junior Artist Username: Caddy Post Number: 606 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 67.159.36.19 Rating: N/A |
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| Masularex Comedian Username: Masularex Post Number: 1520 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 202.133.59.139 Rating: N/A |
theories -> aplenty... connecting dots -> none... filling blanks -> never... religion -> fail. | ||
| Bunty717 Moderator Username: Bunty717 Post Number: 24041 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
chinna q.. r we still evolving.. idi continious process aa?? | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 9529 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Sankhya philosophy takes atheistic stand.As per it, purusha and prakrithi drives creation/evolution nothing else. RigVeda lo unna creation hymn open ended ga untundhi... it says, may be god created this universe or may be he did not. If we take creation hymn as central text of rig veda then may be we can say rig veda takes agnostic approach in regards to creation/evolution. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11441 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
Long time - how are you These abstract concepts tend to be interpreted differently by different people.I can tell you what I understand by nireeswara in this context. The omnipotent iswara concept/ entity does not play a part in the universe ... There is no iswara controlling driving the creation or destiny. Just like a scientific theory only discusses the entities that influence it, a philosophical theory only talks about entities/concepts that play a part in it. Neither has to list all the entities that do not have a role Any philosophy that does not have an iswara as a factor is considered nireeswara Kunda baddalakotti iswarudu ledu ani cheppalsina avasaram ledu kada - it is complete without iswara Some people interpret it as agnosticism but i don't think that is correct Also if we assume Ishan's timeline is correct then its possible Sankhya was before the concept of iswara came up so negation would not have been possible or necessary Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Cocanada Legend Username: Cocanada Post Number: 37348 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 168.244.164.244 Rating: N/A |
its hard to pin point some thing and say "here is the stance of hinduism". hinduism keeps changing every day. | ||
| Mario_puzo Side Hero Username: Mario_puzo Post Number: 2251 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 183.82.36.68 Rating: N/A |
Interesting! nireeswaram ante eeswarudu ledu ani kunda baddal kottadam kaada? or eeswarunni prastavinchani tatvam edaina nireeswara tatvama? aite ela, howw? Raju pedda bharya chinna bharya saameta lanti reasoning kakunda inkedaina expecting :-) | ||
| Caddy Junior Artist Username: Caddy Post Number: 604 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 67.159.36.19 Rating: N/A |
 ...enti artha ratri poota rajadhani express ekkavu | ||
| Basky_indya Legend Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 31080 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.230.2 Rating: N/A |
hebron standu, makkka stand endi anta, adagali vallani kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Basky_indya Legend Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 31079 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.230.2 Rating: N/A |
kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Basky_indya Legend Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 31078 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.230.2 Rating: N/A |
chacnce raaaka raaka, okka manushya janma vasthey, creator existence ne questionning. anduke planet meeedha animals peruguthaa unnai.. kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Basky_indya Legend Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 31077 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.230.2 Rating: N/A |
moon ki topi pettinandukey geddam gallu alla kallolam chesaru. allani adagali heaven virgins nijama ani.. khaima kindha kodataaru kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Basky_indya Legend Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 31076 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.230.2 Rating: N/A |
thousands of years unna hindusim lo god ante evaru?? adhe 2000 yrs back ,unna halleloya mari god, rebirth.. rest mee goodfriday why dont they question halleloya followers kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Basky_indya Legend Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 31075 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.230.2 Rating: N/A |
ikkodoka type of conversions. hindus brain wash chesi, aeshthetic science vaipu. bible effect. kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Tilak Junior Artist Username: Tilak Post Number: 135 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for the gyaan .. you imported "dharma rakshaks" into this thread .. Ishan annai .. how r u? Offer me the entire world and I would still prefer to be a slave of India and Hindutva .. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11434 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Sankhya is considered a niriswara philosophy(atheistic) - It does not acknowledge either the need or possibility of a creationist God Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9453 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.1.202 Rating: N/A |
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| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 4791 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138 Rating: N/A |
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| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 6607 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
hey elcome yaa.. how is everything the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Bunty717 Moderator Username: Bunty717 Post Number: 24019 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
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| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9452 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.1.202 Rating: N/A |
It wont. Because Sankhya is older than Vedic philosophy. Creationism (Brahma creating universe etc) is a puranic concept which is of very recent origin, perhaps created for laymen, that is not part of classic Hinduism. Rigveda also talks about Hiranyagarbha, the primordial egg from which universe originates, pretty close to big bang theory. It never said god was sitting in heavens and one fine day created universe. | ||
| Oohlala Side Hero Username: Oohlala Post Number: 2023 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 173.36.196.7 Rating: N/A |
absolutely agree, didn't see anyone (yet) in this thread objecting to the current discussion, so yesterday's Vishnu idol discussion ee thread ki overflow avutundemo ani, anthe... | ||
| Oohlala Side Hero Username: Oohlala Post Number: 2022 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 173.36.196.7 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for sharing, very erudite post. How does the whole concept of Brahma/Manu fit within the Sankhya philosophy? | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11433 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Why ? I think it is very relevant here. People trying to understand Hinduism need to be able to question the tenets without being beaten down..else they will get turned off before they continue the quest... Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 9451 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.1.194 Rating: |
One word, Sankhya. The entire Vedic and Upanishad Philosophy is based on Sankhya philosophy of Kapila. Sankhya is very scientific. There are levels in cosmological evolution. It all starts with purusha, the ultimate consciousness (or universal). From that comes Prakrithi, the observed nature and everything in it. The first manifestation of Prakrith is Mahat, the universal intelligence. Mahat then manifests to universal egoisim - Ahamkara. Remember these are still substances. The difference between matter and mind is only of a degree according to sankhya. THey both are made up of substance/matter. Ahamkara or individuality (which contains name and shape within time) manifests everything else in the nature. The same ahamkara makes tanmatras, the finer particles of nature which by combining produce five elements of nature. Now all these were at gross level, macrocosm. The same stuff when happens at microcosm, small level, its the Biology of life. It takes time to combine and recombine to form a perfect balance of materials, the time taken for evolution and the perfection is man. So as you see, Vedantha strongly supports evolution. | ||
| Oohlala Side Hero Username: Oohlala Post Number: 2019 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 173.36.196.7 Rating: N/A |
Sis, didn't expect to see this comment from you which obviously will digress the discussion here Coming back to Hinduism & evolution, it never crossed my mind about Dasavataras, very interesting thought though! I don't think evolution was explicitly discussed in any Hindu puranas. It is more aligned with the creation concept by Brahma & Manus (or that is the extent of my understanding) | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11431 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
 Based on what ? Their own limited definition of what constitutes 'Hindu way of life' ? So let me give you my take on that kind of response. It is insecurity that drives that knee jerk reaction.People who know their facts can debate the issue without discussing the debater
Obsessions are irrational and drive thirst for superficial instant gratification which actually turns more people off Talk to half a dozen of them and you will get 6 different parameters of hindutva - and to achieve a forced commonality - they come with 10 commandments of Hindutva- don't remember where I saw that but it cracked me up... If I use myself as a hypothetical example: By that definition I am not a Hindu Per Basky's and your intrpretation I am an atheist DO you think it matters to me ? No But for the sake of this exercise , let's say it did , I just might term myself a non- hindu and atheist... Who loses out if I stop my contribution to an already fund-starved temple based on that, if I stop participation in the activities or I stop educating my kids about hinduism? What goal did the dharma rakshaks would have achieved other than losing people ? This is not the old ages where people gave a sermon with threat of dire consequences if they did not follow a practice and others follow blindly. This is an age of information. scientific data is available to all And its high time the dharmarakshaks raised their knowledge level to be able to discuss and respond to skepticism from much more informed people Instead of carping on the past discuss the relevance of hindu philosophy to current day world and you might find more people actively interested Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Tilak Junior Artist Username: Tilak Post Number: 108 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 125.22.249.81 Rating: N/A |
To put it frankly .. the reservations would be only on those discussions which have a motive or atleast seem to have against Hindu way of life .. and the current day dharma rakshaks are a majority of the people obsessed with Hinduism/Hindutva .. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11429 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.83.138 Rating: N/A |
That's a rather myopic view - hinduism is an agglomeration of many diverse schools of thought - which offer many explanations for the human condition that developed over centuries- some sequentially, some concurrently , some convergent and some divergent For lack of a better unifying definition the umbrella term 'way of life ' has been used Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Madrascalcutta Junior Artist Username: Madrascalcutta Post Number: 153 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 174.115.164.255 Rating: N/A |
Humans calling themselves greatest of all?:-) What if there was species outside of our knowledge that is far more advanced? But if one is religious, is he or she 'allowed' to think beyond to this level? Also, why is it that Hindus conveniently bring up intellectual theory and vedic books when needed, then at other times, slot Hinduism as a way of life? If it is way of life, there is no explanation. | ||
| Hero Username: Twitter Post Number: 16409 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 69.126.242.15 Rating: N/A |
vere source emi ledhu i'm also referring to the same puranas ..meeru cheppe aa manas putras nen cheppe 8 prajapathis are same..kasyaparajapathi ne manu antaaremo. | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 394 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.39.255.35 Rating: N/A |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_cosmology#Hinduism "Neither being (sat) nor non-being was as yet. What was concealed? And where? And in whose protection?…Who really knows? Who can declare it? Whence was it born, and whence came this creation? The devas (demigods) were born later than this world's creation, so who knows from where it came into existence? None can know from where creation has arisen, and whether he has or has not produced it. He who surveys it in the highest heavens, he alone knows-or perhaps does not know." (Rig Veda 10. 129) The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11428 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Puranas lo untundi - Brahma created his manas Putras - one of them is MAnu and all humanity descends from Manu Twitter may have another source Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Entikaburlu Side Hero Username: Entikaburlu Post Number: 6975 Registered: 07-2011 Posted From: 67.247.83.224 Rating: N/A |
dasaavataralu evolution ye kadaa.. All Class Notes -> https://twitter.com/#!/EKSWAcademy all opinions expressed are mine and only mine. not to be attributed to the other IP address sharers, my employer, or any other human, animal, robot or alien. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 6597 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5 Rating: N/A |
well there are some cosmic theories, not really about individual living organisms though, well, living, non living beings ane concept is treated very diffrently, time is also another definition that is a bit different from the concept we generally percieve. basic definitions difference valla, it wil make it difficult to correlate a lot of stuff. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 9522 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
Assal Hinduism ki oka sacred book antu ledu kada.Bible and Quran lo creation gurinchi disco unnattundhi but we do not have such text/book discussing evolution or creation..or do we have any such litreture? | ||
| Hero Username: Twitter Post Number: 16402 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 69.126.242.15 Rating: N/A |
Darwinism - Malthusianism - Spencersim - Larcaism ilanti athiestic naturalism theories vs brahma created 8 prajapathis of that one of the prajapathi is kashyapa prajapathi who married devahoothi manushulandharu vaallaki puttaru apes/monkies inkoka prajapathi ki vennu leni jeevilanni inko prajapathiki and so on so forth ane hinduism theories --none of them are proven so manaki istam vacchindhi nammadame | ||
| Ipc302 Moderator Username: Ipc302 Post Number: 12197 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
Romasn, Greeks, Egyptians, chinese civilizations and every religion believes that god has created the earth, man , animals, plants etc etc...the case here is how people interpret GOD....we take a nature determining course and worship trees, animals...abrahamic religions like judaism, christianity and islam don't do that...for them earth is 5000 years old and everything began with adam and eve and universe was created in 7 days here the important point is Hinduism/chinese/greeks have taken a scientific outlook and applied the fear of god to it...astrology, astronomy, natural medicine everything is a part of these cultures...ancient cultures blended their understanding of nature into a religious and cultural experience.... | ||
| Executor Junior Artist Username: Executor Post Number: 617 Registered: 04-2010 Posted From: 206.195.193.254 Rating: N/A |
Well in that case, Hinduism also believes in Intelligent design. God has created everything so intelligently. valla God design maatrame sesad. mana God(Brahma) design and destiny(brahma raatha) rendu sesaad. Mera God,tussi great Ho! | ||
| Racha Junior Artist Username: Racha Post Number: 210 Registered: 06-2011 Posted From: 209.11.224.42 Rating: N/A |
Good topic amma..  | ||
| Immotional_hatyachar Side Hero Username: Immotional_hatyachar Post Number: 2720 Registered: 05-2011 Posted From: 204.14.239.210 Rating: N/A |
and that someone is Brahma? Chinnu:Evadraaa babu aa posters eesindi .. Nandamuri ani kooda sariggaa raayaledu .. thuu edavalu Coolmac 2 Chinnu: akkada prestige motham debba ayipothunte, neeku spelling kavalsochindhaa | ||
| Immotional_hatyachar Side Hero Username: Immotional_hatyachar Post Number: 2719 Registered: 05-2011 Posted From: 204.14.239.210 Rating: N/A |
is it possible that some started designing the living creatures and gradually improved the versions to the latest and greatest of all - what is called as humans? Chinnu:Evadraaa babu aa posters eesindi .. Nandamuri ani kooda sariggaa raayaledu .. thuu edavalu Coolmac 2 Chinnu: akkada prestige motham debba ayipothunte, neeku spelling kavalsochindhaa | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11427 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
To elaborate on my previous post: The various schools of thought are differentiated by the accepted pramanas Pramanas by definition are not blind faith. A pramana is proof/evidence/learning/conclusion reached thru reasoning.It is a very scientific process Read this link if really interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pramana Sadly, the current day dharma rakshaks want you to put your reason and questioning to sleep , as it is easier for them than encouraging debate and discourse Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Immotional_hatyachar Side Hero Username: Immotional_hatyachar Post Number: 2718 Registered: 05-2011 Posted From: 204.14.239.210 Rating: N/A |
evolution theory is just a theory.... erase it from ur minds and istart thinking again... howwww andi how aniiii... come up with ur own theory - lets see what each has to say ... Chinnu:Evadraaa babu aa posters eesindi .. Nandamuri ani kooda sariggaa raayaledu .. thuu edavalu Coolmac 2 Chinnu: akkada prestige motham debba ayipothunte, neeku spelling kavalsochindhaa | ||
| Ipc302 Moderator Username: Ipc302 Post Number: 12196 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
adam and eve story ne intelligent design ga categorize chesaru to counter evolution which is based on natural selection....ID promotes the theory that mankind has been created by god/intelligence beyond natural selection, which is a random process.... | ||
| Raman Side Hero Username: Raman Post Number: 6278 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: N/A |
ok manishi maru janmalo gani previous birth lo gani animal ga pudatadu /puttadu lanti hindus nammutaru kabatti Evolution ki karma theory add sesi bhelpuri sesestaru kada | ||
| Executor Junior Artist Username: Executor Post Number: 615 Registered: 04-2010 Posted From: 206.195.193.254 Rating: N/A |
seriously? Their ishtroy starts with Adam and Eve. intelligent design nammadam endi | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11426 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Hinduism is a philosophy built on questioning, debate and validation All tools of science tooBeauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Thelegend Moderator Username: Thelegend Post Number: 11364 Registered: 04-2008 Rating: N/A |
What is hinduism stance on science? | ||
| Ipc302 Moderator Username: Ipc302 Post Number: 12195 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
well evolution is not just about dinosaurs...and dinosaurs were extinct long long before man evolved....we have dasavatara to understand the evolution of speces...they have only talked about animal species that were present along with the population at that time...no mention of single celled organisms because we did not have the capacity to observe such micro organisms... | ||
| Lolli Junior Artist Username: Lolli Post Number: 25 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 171.161.160.10 Rating: N/A |
emrov...baaga bijy unnattu unnav apicela | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11415 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Probably not concurrent or colocated with Hinduism hence don't find mention There were a few pteradactyl fossils found in China - links to dragons in their lore maybe ?? Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Tifosi Junior Artist Username: Tifosi Post Number: 527 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 171.159.64.10 Rating: N/A |
seems allegorical ... never saw the connection before so you are saying hindusim subliminally supports evolution what about dinos | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 11414 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Dasavatara Beauty is life when life unveils her holy face. But you are life and you are the veil... Beauty is eternity gazing at itself in a mirror. But you are eternity and you are the mirror! -Kahlil Gibran | ||
| Tifosi Junior Artist Username: Tifosi Post Number: 525 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 171.159.64.10 Rating: N/A |
ikkada conservetive christians intelligent design ni nammutaaru. Manavallu apes nunchi evolve avvaTam, Okappudu dinosaurs existance ... ilanTivi scriptures tho ela balance chestaru? |
