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Der_schuler
Side Hero Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 7322 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 04:01 pm: |     |
Vjavasi:most of the IIT guys are no match for them
nuvvekada dorikav sami ......engineers no much to physicist antavu...thats a tuatology and its true even for MIT or Berkeley.. frankly u have no idea of how difficult it is to make it to IIT with out coaching etc.....JEE has been rated the most difficult exam in the world for that age group...for engineering and tech... I frankly dont think u understand the depth of what it takes to excel at IIT and why people around the world value them more than any one in India...even if you like or not...ppl recruting them are univs like MIT etc who know whom they are talking to not some journalist who works by names |
   
Pomegranate_life
Comedian Username: Pomegranate_life
Post Number: 1607 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 32.97.110.60
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 04:01 pm: |     |
Indiarocks:When was the last time we heard about a respected intellectual from a lower caste? Unnadi chala varaku junk batch like Kancha Iliah. Ilanti vallu lead cheste aa communities inka pathalaniki padipothayi.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/world/asia/11caste.html?pa gewanted=all |
   
Kamal
Megastar Username: Kamal
Post Number: 21434 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:51 pm: |     |
>>>> venakala padina vadini munduku teesukelladam ante 9 marks vachina vadiki oka sunna petti 90 cheyadam kaadu. Vaadu 90 techukunela kastapadela opportunity provide cheyadam. Reservations valana reservation pondina castes kooda suffer autunnayi. Endukante, it bred mediocrity in them. Neeku 35 vachina seat vastundi ante 90 techukodaniki struggle ayyevallu thakkuva, passion develop chesukune vallu thakkuva. Aa struggle/passion lekunda individual aina, group aina progress avvaru, coz the world that is full of it will not stop for them. Money vacheste, Govt. job vacheste adi progress kaadu. When was the last time we heard about a respected intellectual from a lower caste? Unnadi chala varaku junk batch like Kancha Iliah. Ilanti vallu lead cheste aa communities inka pathalaniki padipothayi. ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------- perfect .. 5 stars .. Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 6697 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:51 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:IBM is not a university its a organization with money and strategy.....mergers etc at right time consolidation of tech all furnish the final form.... U expect to equate IIT to IBM...man u are going on some circles today
Der, who is that technocrat with an engineering background that was awarded noble prize for his integrated chip innovation.....i think he is from IBM...IBM has people who contributed immensely at different levels in computer innovation......i agree in US even in technology the contribution of math,science grad is immense and they operate at a more fundamental level....most of the IIT guys are no match for them and i agree few IITans did reach respectable positions |
   
Kamal
Megastar Username: Kamal
Post Number: 21433 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:48 pm: |     |
>>>>i am not looking for an Einstein.....take the case of computer....just look at it's evolution at the level of hardware.....organisations like IBM contributed a lot to innovate what we call computer at the concept level.....i am looking for completely new innovations at concept level ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- indake manam Pentium processor gurinchi Der cheppaga vinnamu .. I think that is a crucial development in the evolution of computers at a level of hardware .. alanti innovations emi lekapothene .. eppudo zamana kritam .. CBS lo 60 minutes lo IIT gurinchi vachinda? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ-krbYJPNk This is the program I am talking about .. Also see the below on innovations of IIT .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCi3NcmIAnw (and related videos) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Tech-innovati ons-on-show-at-IIT/articleshow/7238619.cms news of Jan 8, 2011 (barely a week ago) I think .. when it comes to innovation .. IITians lead the show for India .. and if their innovations dont count on your scale and measure .. I guess .. not many nations on earth do either in your view! Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Indiarocks
Side Hero Username: Indiarocks
Post Number: 6109 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:43 pm: |     |
Uppu:Ledu venaka padini vallani munduku tesuku vastunnam
venakala padina vadini munduku teesukelladam ante 9 marks vachina vadiki oka sunna petti 90 cheyadam kaadu. Vaadu 90 techukunela kastapadela opportunity provide cheyadam. Reservations valana reservation pondina castes kooda suffer autunnayi. Endukante, it bred mediocrity in them. Neeku 35 vachina seat vastundi ante 90 techukodaniki struggle ayyevallu thakkuva, passion develop chesukune vallu thakkuva. Aa struggle/passion lekunda individual aina, group aina progress avvaru, coz the world that is full of it will not stop for them. Money vacheste, Govt. job vacheste adi progress kaadu. When was the last time we heard about a respected intellectual from a lower caste? Unnadi chala varaku junk batch like Kancha Iliah. Ilanti vallu lead cheste aa communities inka pathalaniki padipothayi. |
   
Der_schuler
Side Hero Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 7321 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:42 pm: |     |
Vjavasi:take the case of computer ....just look at it's evolution at the level of hardware.....organisations like IBM
IBM is not a university its a organization with money and strategy.....mergers etc at right time consolidation of tech all furnish the final form.... U expect to equate IIT to IBM...man u are going on some circles today |
   
Ishan
Side Hero Username: Ishan
Post Number: 7180 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.1.202
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:41 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:idhe thread lo unna oka pseudo intellect once said plants have life...no where in the literature of biology have plants been ascribed life in the status quo sense of biology as in something that has consciousness and can make choices,,i
Are you saying that biology considers only 'things' that have consciousness have life? Whats your definition of life? |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 6696 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:40 pm: |     |
Kamal:thats unfair .. you know that they are the best in the business .. and still ask for that one Einstein like guy who changed the world? and you know such men are 1 in a billion in a millenium ..
i am not looking for an Einstein.....take the case of computer....just look at it's evolution at the level of hardware.....organisations like IBM contributed a lot to innovate what we call computer at the concept level.....i am looking for completely new innovations at concept level |
   
Kamal
Megastar Username: Kamal
Post Number: 21432 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:39 pm: |     |
>>>>Ledu venaka padini vallani munduku tesuku vastunnam >>>>mediocrity breed mediocrity mediocrity ni encourage chestoo malli munduku antarenti? >>>>tammi despite that it is a fact that women are at a disadvantage and are discriminated. How do we address this imbalance now this is a good question - ee question ki saraina answer dorakkapothe edo oka irrelevant answer (pro reservation) raaste correct avvadu kada .. as you said .. there is no ONE answer for this .. but measures like rewarding people with seats/jobs only when they exhibit merit and as Ishan said .. implementing Universal Compulsory education (at least till primary/secondary level) are the keys .. even for these we need periodical reviews to check how these measures are working .. Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Der_schuler
Side Hero Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 7320 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:38 pm: |     |
Vjavasi:but i am looking for something which can be considered as a critical innovation that changed the world
ala eni unnai asalu pepancham history oka 10 maximum... fundamental research always comes from physicists and mathematicians....engineers take it make business/application(not just money) out of it....chala easy discernation...I think u are not well versed with the process of enquiry as such... neeko uchitha salaha structure of scientific revolutions ani untundhi chaduvu...Kuhn dhi... I dont think u understand innovation at a fundamental sense..... asa group they always stood up to their name and there are no 2 ways abt it.... |
   
Anand_n
Side Hero Username: Anand_n
Post Number: 8664 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:38 pm: |     |
Dreamcatcher: Last twenty years lo emi maaralendantaara? I think a lot has changed. And I believe women are thriving in every field. Ammilani chadivinchatledu anedi old argument...
Things are improving but not fast enough. As of 2009 - India's male literacy rate was 76% and female literacy rate 54% - still a 22 percent lag ... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale |
   
Ishan
Side Hero Username: Ishan
Post Number: 7179 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.1.194
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:35 pm: |     |
Mental_sachinodu: People who complain against reservations might just not be creamy enough to make the cut, to me if they are confident enough they will win through the rules of the game, and the rules they knew when they entered the competition.
Lets take an hypothetical situation. Lets say there were 1000 medical seats available and 20000 students competed for them. And lets say there are 1000 highly qualified intelligent people among those 20000. And lets say 30% are reserved for some others. So, among those 1000 qualified people, only 700 could get there because of the system. And if 300 people are complaining about the system, are you saying they are not allowed to? Whats the difference between those 700 and 300? Intelligence? I don't think so. Its matter of luck considering the level of competition and how the day of a stupid exam goes for you. |
   
Kamal
Megastar Username: Kamal
Post Number: 21431 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:30 pm: |     |
>>>>fair enough.... i am not on a mission to discredit them, they are definitely......infact many of them are well settled as professors, researchers in high ranking schools and institutes abroad....but i am looking for something which can be considered as a critical innovation that changed the world thats unfair .. you know that they are the best in the business .. and still ask for that one Einstein like guy who changed the world? and you know such men are 1 in a billion in a millenium .. Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Okahyderabadi
Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi
Post Number: 2552 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 72.51.41.235
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:30 pm: |     |
Kamal:supero super .. mari inkemi .. reservations tho excellence ni encourage chestunnam ani evaranna antunnara ee thread lo??? I hope not!
tammi despite that it is a fact that women are at a disadvantage and are discriminated. How do we address this imbalance In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Uppu
Side Hero Username: Uppu
Post Number: 2680 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 206.16.32.135
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:29 pm: |     |
Kamal:reservations tho excellence ni encourage chestunnam ani evaranna antunnara
Ledu venaka padini vallani munduku tesuku vastunnam âGenerations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this walked the earth in flesh and blood.â |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 6695 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:29 pm: |     |
Vjavasi: i am not on a mission to discredit them, they are definitely
they are definitely talented ani chaduvukondi |
   
Kamal
Megastar Username: Kamal
Post Number: 21430 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:27 pm: |     |
>>>>bottomline mediocrity breed mediocrity. supero super .. mari inkemi .. reservations tho excellence ni encourage chestunnam ani evaranna antunnara ee thread lo??? I hope not! Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 6694 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:27 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:Intel pentium chip chief architect evaru annai??? Motham GE lo highest number of patents evariki unnai??? please naatho cheppinchaku...some of the most profitable and well known tech giants were spu by them.. Who gave Google their first seed capital??? Have u ever heard the director of Yahho research labs...athanu ichindhi..... chala unnai annai....so lite lelo I am not ready for this stupid debate... I dont think IIT needs U and me to discredit them...the world recognised them....they are the most sought after as simple as that on wall street IIT stamp lekunda U cant even be a quant at a resonable IB...unless u are downright genius and I have nt seen any atleast in the Number 1 IB in the world
fair enough.... i am not on a mission to discredit them, they are definitely......infact many of them are well settled as professors, researchers in high ranking schools and institutes abroad....but i am looking for something which can be considered as a critical innovation that changed the world |
   
Senapathy
Side Hero Username: Senapathy
Post Number: 2722 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 137.131.212.40
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:22 pm: |     |
Vjavasi:major product innovations in space, defence, electronics, computers evaraina IIT alumni lead chesi successful ga develop cheste cheppu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Institutes_of_Te chnology_alumni Ainaa neeku problem emiti annai. Last 50 years gaa best schools in India lo top 6 ranks IITs vey. Icche vallu gorrelu aithey meeru Lab Bahadur Shastri aa? |
   
Okahyderabadi
Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi
Post Number: 2551 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 72.51.41.235
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:22 pm: |     |
Vjavasi: nenu compare cheyyatla nuvve chestunnav....Did i say noble prize?....atleast konni product innovations by IIT alumni cheppu......major product innovations in space, defence, electronics, computers evaraina IIT alumni lead chesi successful ga develop cheste cheppu
india ki panikivachevi evaru emi cheyaledu le tammi as far as inventions go all of them got good education, some established companies and others work for MNC's now in higher positions. If that is what you wanted but again how many of Indian Engineers or pure science scientists did invent something for the country, except for few scientists who work in the space agencies etc. BTW no hypocrisy here I too being the victim of the system moved out in search of better opportunities as I said, tindi, batta, basic needs are more important to us than anything else In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Der_schuler
Side Hero Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 7319 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:17 pm: |     |
Vjavasi:atleast konni product innovations by IIT alumni cheppu.
Intel pentium chip chief architect evaru annai??? Motham GE lo highest number of patents evariki unnai??? please naatho cheppinchaku...some of the most profitable and well known tech giants were spu by them.. Who gave Google their first seed capital??? Have u ever heard the director of Yahho research labs...athanu ichindhi..... chala unnai annai....so lite lelo I am not ready for this stupid debate... I dont think IIT needs U and me to discredit them...the world recognised them....they are the most sought after as simple as that on wall street IIT stamp lekunda U cant even be a quant at a resonable IB...unless u are downright genius and I have nt seen any atleast in the Number 1 IB in the world |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 6693 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:12 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:Valla range ante.....ento cheppu nobel prize ravala??? eng lo reserach chesevallaki nobel ivvaru babu....nannu oggei.... Nobel is given for Physics,Chem,Medicine,peace,economics.... ento nuvvu ila kallu teripisthunnav ivala... asalu pure science ki eng teda ento cheppava annai??? tarvatha neetho discuss chestha enchukante physicists ni teeskuni engineers compare chesina first vyakthivi nuvve...nenu reasonable anukunna janalalo
nenu compare cheyyatla nuvve chestunnav....Did i say noble prize?....atleast konni product innovations by IIT alumni cheppu......major product innovations in space, defence, electronics, computers evaraina IIT alumni lead chesi successful ga develop cheste cheppu |
   
Okahyderabadi
Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi
Post Number: 2550 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 72.51.41.235
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:11 pm: |     |
Uppu: ,Iste tappu emudu,akkedammanna qualification batti istunnara. ALready quote by country undi, ee kurrodu by caset adugutunnnadu
Uppu:JP_rocks
tammuds edo posta veyalani vestunnaru gani how is it related. lets confine topic to our country. chala discuss chesam, - what and how should we go about reservations for men? - what should be done to bring more women participation? serious suggestions In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Senapathy
Side Hero Username: Senapathy
Post Number: 2721 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 137.131.212.40
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:09 pm: |     |
Vjavasi:vunnaya IIT alumni nundi?
IITs are set up to breed engineers and entrepreneurs. The goal is not to develop a world class researcher. Anduke emi Nobels raaledu and as I see next 30 years lo raavu kooda. It developed more engineers and entrepreneurs who made it a world class symbol. There is also very good talent in other univs too but for fact you see the cream of the nation in IITs and AIIMS. IISc breeds on pure science and we have hope to get a nobel there. |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 6692 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:05 pm: |     |
i am not supporting kancha.....i just presented discussion between indiresa & kancha on OBC reservations.....kancha just asked what so called institutes of excellence achieved in last 50 years.....Indiresan couldn't answer that he just reiterated "we are an institute of excellence" phrase |
   
Der_schuler
Side Hero Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 7318 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:04 pm: |     |
Vjavasi:technological innovations vunnaya IIT alumni nundi?
Valla range ante.....ento cheppu nobel prize ravala??? eng lo reserach chesevallaki nobel ivvaru babu....nannu oggei.... Nobel is given for Physics,Chem,Medicine,peace,economics.... ento nuvvu ila kallu teripisthunnav ivala... asalu pure science ki eng teda ento cheppava annai??? tarvatha neetho discuss chestha enchukante physicists ni teeskuni engineers compare chesina first vyakthivi nuvve...nenu reasonable anukunna janalalo |
   
Uppu
Side Hero Username: Uppu
Post Number: 2677 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 206.16.32.135
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:03 pm: |     |
Indiarocks:Kurrod, US visas lo reservation kavali ani US embassy ki letter rasadu
Iste tappu emudu,akkedammanna qualification batti istunnara. ALready quote by country undi, ee kurrodu by caset adugutunnnadu âGenerations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this walked the earth in flesh and blood.â |
   
Okahyderabadi
Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi
Post Number: 2549 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 72.51.41.235
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:00 pm: |     |
Okahyderabadi:Ishan:
bottomline mediocrity breed mediocrity. Enrolment and attendance ratios: females as a % of males, Net primary school 2003â2008*, enrolled - 96 Enrolment and attendance ratios: females as a % of males, Net primary school 2003â2008*, attending-96 Enrolment and attendance ratios: females as a % of males, Net secondary school 2003â2008*, attending -83 We dont know what these statistics represent and what is the statistical universe here. The figures do not show the stats for high school and beyond as such. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Indiarocks
Side Hero Username: Indiarocks
Post Number: 6107 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:59 pm: |     |
Kamal:1) aa mindset unna politicians ne society reward chesindi .. and politicians lo reservations ki opposing group ee ledu across the spectrum .. including your very own JP .. who is a "bit" better than others ..
Present politicians lo reservations ni totally oppose chesevallu untaru anukovadam impractical. Reservations are like a drug. And we made a good %age of the society dependent on that. Ippudu okka saari situation reverse cheyadam anedi posts veskotaniki paniki vastundi, not in the practical world. Gradually decreasing the %age is the only solution. Kamal:2) India lo at best OC population 20% untundi .. when these politicians get votes from 80% of the population .. 20% dont matter anymore .. so OCs encourage cheyyadam is baseless ..
Population lo 20% untaru OCs, mari MLAs, MPs ministers lo entha mandi OCs? Kaneesam 20% aina gradual elimination gurinchi matladara? Vote veyamante intlo koorchune vallu issues meeda oogakudadu nayana. |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 6690 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:58 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:ela untundhi babu IIT's lo pure sciences appudu start ayyayi??? asalu oldest IIT eppudu start ayyindhi???? H.Khurana....bio chemist annai...ayana prize physiology lo...IIT lo asalu adhi undha??? so is Bose 2003 varaku bio engineering ye ledhu IIT la Chandrasekahr US ki vache tiem ye IIT lo physics undhi.. Annai first IIT gurinchi matladetappudu facts telusuko...I studied there and know thing or two abt its history IIT were technology institutes nuvvu cheppina andaru started their careers by then ento nalugu perlu pettesi IIT add chesthunnav???
nenu pettina list ordinary schools lo chadivi extraordinary gaa achieve chesina valla examples....o.k IIT technological schools kadha, india lo pure sciences lo achieve chesina valla range lo emanna technological innovations vunnaya IIT alumni nundi? |
   
Uppu
Side Hero Username: Uppu
Post Number: 2676 Registered: 11-2007 Posted From: 206.16.32.135
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:58 pm: |     |
SC kurrollu ippatiki malapalli lo em facility leka kasta padutunnaru. Alanti vallu normal people tho compete avvatam kastam. Allu develop ayye varuku reservations undali âGenerations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this walked the earth in flesh and blood.â |
   
Der_schuler
Side Hero Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 7317 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:57 pm: |     |
Kanchi illaih gadu oka medhavi aadi argument ki Balakrishnana bhayapaddada...annai please nee credibility chedagottukoku.....neeku IIT nachakapothe fine they and you will not care less...abt it.....kanchi illiah gaada.. I refuse to sing vandematharam as it has reference to Hindu god in it anna medhavi aadu |
   
Der_schuler
Side Hero Username: Der_schuler
Post Number: 7316 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:54 pm: |     |
Vjavasi:oka C.V.Raman, s. chandra, Hargobind khurana, Bose, Y. subbarao, recent ga venky veelevariki IIT's to sambandham ledhu..
ela untundhi babu IIT's lo pure sciences appudu start ayyayi??? asalu oldest IIT eppudu start ayyindhi???? H.Khurana....bio chemist annai...ayana prize physiology lo...IIT lo asalu adhi undha??? so is Bose 2003 varaku bio engineering ye ledhu IIT la Chandrasekahr US ki vache tiem ye IIT lo physics undhi.. Annai first IIT gurinchi matladetappudu facts telusuko...I studied there and know thing or two abt its history IIT were technology institutes nuvvu cheppina andaru started their careers by then ento nalugu perlu pettesi IIT add chesthunnav??? |
   
Jp_rocks
Side Hero Username: Jp_rocks
Post Number: 8033 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:54 pm: |     |
Cocanada:pub lo ki elli young blonde gerals ki letter rayaledu..maa volla tho dance eyaali meeru ani
subbayya hotel mundu dharna anta, orders lo maku 27.5% reservation ivvali..ma orders mundu chudalani |
   
Kamal
Megastar Username: Kamal
Post Number: 21429 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:52 pm: |     |
>>>>Btw, reservations meeda SCs ni thitti em labham. Aa policies ni vote banks gaa use chesukuni intha varaku teesukochindi OC politicians, and alanti politicians ni encourage chesindi OC population. I agree .. titti laabham ledu .. kaani aa politicians and their skewed mindset ni OC population encourage chesindi anadam poorti ga wrong .. two reasons for that .. 1) aa mindset unna politicians ne society reward chesindi .. and politicians lo reservations ki opposing group ee ledu across the spectrum .. including your very own JP .. who is a "bit" better than others .. 2) India lo at best OC population 20% untundi .. when these politicians get votes from 80% of the population .. 20% dont matter anymore .. so OCs encourage cheyyadam is baseless .. Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Cocanada
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Post Number: 28930 Registered: 01-2008
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:51 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:u ante nuvvu ani kadhi forst person
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Dreamcatcher
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Post Number: 1196 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.86.145.68
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:51 pm: |     |
Kamal:Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu ..
This is one of my all time favorite songs...Awesome song. |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7315 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:50 pm: |     |
Cocanada:there are lot of others who proved it. he is talking on their behalf
Ok...fair enough good for you...the stop comparing urself (u ante nuvvu ani kadhi forst person) to them |
   
Bunty717
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Post Number: 13833 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 161.185.157.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:49 pm: |     |
Indiarocks: reservations meeda SCs ni thitti em labham. Aa policies ni vote banks gaa use chesukuni intha varaku teesukochindi OC politicians, and alanti politicians ni encourage chesindi OC population.
perfect chepevu.. ee politicians lo change voche varuku.manam oogatam waste.. 2004 ..2009 |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 6689 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:49 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:if everything goes right...earth can become moon ani chepdhama...the fact is that whatever India has showcased thus far int he west is and mostly owing to them...
o.k okati cheppu....IIT lo chadivina valla kante ordinary education to paiki vellina vallu leru antaava?......IIT lo chadivi fail ayyina vallu lera?....emi choopincharu west ki indians?.....oka C.V.Raman, s. chandra, Hargobind khurana, Bose, Y. subbarao, recent ga venky veelevariki IIT's to sambandham ledhu.....inka naa vishayaniki vaste i never said i am talented....IIT daaka enduku nenu chadivina college lone naa kante brilliant students chala mandi vunnaru |
   
Cocanada
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Post Number: 28929 Registered: 01-2008
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:48 pm: |     |
Indiarocks:US visas lo reservation kavali ani US embassy ki letter rasadu
nijamaaa inka nayam ... pub lo ki elli young blonde gerals ki letter rayaledu..maa volla tho dance eyaali meeru ani |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8031 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:48 pm: |     |
Indiarocks:Kurrod, US visas lo reservation kavali ani US embassy ki letter rasadu
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Cocanada
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Post Number: 28928 Registered: 01-2008
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:46 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:if everything goes right...earth can become moon ani chepdhama...the fact is that whatever India has showcased thus far int he west is and mostly owing to them... Ur argument is only a self gratifying one wherein u want to feel u are as good as them....but the fact is that u have to prove otherwise
bokka le why he has to prove himself? there are lot of others who proved it. he is talking on their behalf |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8030 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:45 pm: |     |
Kamal:after that akkada kuda implement chestunnaru ..
chestunnaraaaa she will die yeeee....kamalai nuvvu flight digaddu..IITs will die yeee |
   
Indiarocks
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Post Number: 6106 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:45 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:Kanchi illiah.........:-)....aadiki IIT campus meedha mattade arhatha kooda ledhu...ask him to compete with 10 lk kids and then check his stature..
Kurrod, US visas lo reservation kavali ani US embassy ki letter rasadu Btw, reservations meeda SCs ni thitti em labham. Aa policies ni vote banks gaa use chesukuni intha varaku teesukochindi OC politicians, and alanti politicians ni encourage chesindi OC population. Future lo aina reservations thagginchali aney okka politician choopinchu. Apptati varaku manam DB lo posts veskodame, akkada em change avvadu. |
   
Kamal
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Post Number: 21428 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:42 pm: |     |
>>>>that tells the whole story....atleast they haven't adulterated the most respectable profession..thank god IITs lo kuda chetha batch ni allow cheste inka muskodame ------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------- nee enks ... poorthi ga chadavava? till 2008 varaku reservations levu .. after that akkada kuda implement chestunnaru .. Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Cocanada
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Post Number: 28927 Registered: 01-2008
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:41 pm: |     |
Okahyderabadi:kindaling ki kooda oka haddu untadi tammi
kindaling entannai...nenu topic meeda serious disco cheyyatledu. jesht oorike atu itu tirugutunna thed lo |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 6688 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:41 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:denilo annai cheppava....oka F21 design chese postlona???? ive half knowledge maatalante...Harvard lo affirmative action undhi but no discounting of academic credentials for admission..its only the financial aid...
nenu oka article chadiva bro lockheed martin meedha.....andhulo affirmative action to vachina engineers kooda vunnaru.......infact ikkada govt contracts lo affirmative action compulsory implement cheyyali anukuntaa |
   
Kamal
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Post Number: 21427 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:40 pm: |     |
>>>>>okasari ilane former IIT madras director indiresan ki, kancha illiah ki discussion jarigindhi......Indiresan matladithe our's is an institute of excellence ani nokki vakkanistunaadu.....illiah meeru 50 years lo emi sadinchaaru at the scale of world ani adigaadu......anthe inka emi matladala kurrodu......this is not to say IIT guys are not talented.....they are definitely cream,but they are not the only one's......even ordinary folks can achieve extraordinarily if everything goes right then make everything right .. 80% of the highest score vache reservation students ni encourage cheste ardam undi .. 40-50% vachina vadiki seat ivvadam lo ardam enti? vaadiki individually monetary benefit and depriving another student of a chance to seek knowledge tappa? is it right in anyway??? Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8027 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:39 pm: |     |
Kamal:IITs currently have no reservations in teaching positions.
that tells the whole story....atleast they haven't adulterated the most respectable profession..thank god IITs lo kuda chetha batch ni allow cheste inka muskodame |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7314 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:38 pm: |     |
Vjavasi:.even ordinary folks can achieve extraordinarily if everything goes right
LOL LOL if everything goes right...earth can become moon ani chepdhama...the fact is that whatever India has showcased thus far int he west is and mostly owing to them... Ur argument is only a self gratifying one wherein u want to feel u are as good as them....but the fact is that u have to prove otherwise.. Kanchi illiah.........:-)....aadiki IIT campus meedha mattade arhatha kooda ledhu...ask him to compete with 10 lk kids and then check his stature.. |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7312 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:36 pm: |     |
Vjavasi:lockheed & Martin lanti company lo affirmative action basis meedha kooda jobs isthaaru
denilo annai cheppava....oka F21 design chese postlona???? ive half knowledge maatalante...Harvard lo affirmative action undhi but no discounting of academic credentials for admission..its only the financial aid... and FYI there is a raging debate as fresh as last year when people called affirmative action a fraud http://law.wustl.edu/journal/54/Graglia.pdf |
   
Kamal
Megastar Username: Kamal
Post Number: 21426 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:35 pm: |     |
>>>>alantappudu votti IIT's lone reservation kaaranam ga standards enduku padipovaali? IITs ee kadu .. even state electricity board engineers aina sare .. if those people on reservations, on a scale of merit, if they cannot match up to the candidates otherwise .. standards padipothayi .. as simple as that .. 75% vachina general quota candidate fill cheyyalsina position .. 50% vachina reservation person fill cheste standards padataya padava? or 75% vadiki .. 50% vadiki same talent undi antara? Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Okahyderabadi
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Post Number: 2548 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 72.51.41.235
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:34 pm: |     |
Ishan:Why not? I personally think govt schools have some of the best teachers. I studied in Zilla praja parishad schools and more worse, my higher education was in a Practicing high schoo
same here In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 6687 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:34 pm: |     |
okasari ilane former IIT madras director indiresan ki, kancha illiah ki discussion jarigindhi......Indiresan matladithe our's is an institute of excellence ani nokki vakkanistunaadu.....illiah meeru 50 years lo emi sadinchaaru at the scale of world ani adigaadu......anthe inka emi matladala kurrodu......this is not to say IIT guys are not talented.....they are definitely cream,but they are not the only one's......even ordinary folks can achieve extraordinarily if everything goes right |
   
Ishan
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Post Number: 7175 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.1.194
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:30 pm: |     |
Okahyderabadi:Can we say the govt school teachers are up to that requirement?
Why not? I personally think govt schools have some of the best teachers. I studied in Zilla praja parishad schools and more worse, my higher education was in a Practicing high school. In my 10th class we had a state ranker form my school. We had some of the best teachers around. I Dont think teacher qualification is the big problem here. But Creating the same opportunity for every one is important. By that I mean diverse people regardless of gender and caste should go for compulsory primary and secondary education. At the end of 10+2, every one will know their mettle. After 10+2, reservations MUST not exist and every thing must be open. |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7311 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:30 pm: |     |
Pomegranate_life:Nuvvu oka business start chesthe you get perks for being a minority in this country
asalu ikkada jarige arguments ki context business lo special provisions kaane kadhu...general concessions...India lo kooda ichukomanu vaya....let them pay all the fees for their education till school ....but dont let filthy dogs sit next to me......scoring 1/100 of what I do and see my friends who are smarter than me rue the chance of making it into the elite |
   
Okahyderabadi
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Post Number: 2547 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 72.51.41.235
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:30 pm: |     |
Cocanada:RajiniKant aa?
 kindaling ki kooda oka haddu untadi tammi In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 6686 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:28 pm: |     |
ikkada top universities lo affirmative action vuntundhi, harvard lanti chota money to seats techukovachu...vaati standards emanna padipoayaya......lockheed & Martin lanti company lo affirmative action basis meedha kooda jobs isthaaru...alantappudu votti IIT's lone reservation kaaranam ga standards enduku padipovaali? |
   
Cocanada
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Post Number: 28925 Registered: 01-2008
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:25 pm: |     |
Der_schuler: as Kant once said
RajiniKant aa? |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7310 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:22 pm: |     |
and who defines the criterion to push aside phenotypical difference in one regard or the other...since everyone agrees the a phenotype might in a biological sense be different from others???? What necessitates I make special provisions for a happenstance of inferiority much different from why a casino wont make concessions for the off handed gambler's..... as Kant once said: "there exists only a moral virtue in seeking equality and as long as there is no universal morality that quest is a lost pursuit for eternity.People arguing for equality generally do so for gaining a moral sympathy or to be precise to gain the numbers for most often then not...the weak outnumber in all contexts for the elite are defined so" |
   
Kamal
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Post Number: 21425 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:21 pm: |     |
quote:On 9 June 2008, the government ordered 15% quota for SC, 7.5% for ST and 27% quota for OBCs in teaching positions. IITs currently have no reservations in teaching positions.
10-15 years down the line .. if those 49.5% of the teachers do not maintain the standards of those premier institutions .. education will be a big joke in India .. Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Okahyderabadi
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Post Number: 2546 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 72.51.41.235
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:20 pm: |     |
Ishan:Jobs , Higer Edication and Professional Education lo reservations Biggest Joke. Its more important to create equal opportunities at the primary and secondary education.
elaga antaru? free primary education standard telusu kada etla untundo mana deggara. How do we encourage families to send girl children to get better education. Quality Primary education ravali ante , teachers should be well educated and be able to teach the same to the children. Can we say the govt school teachers are up to that requirement? We are back to square one - a consequence of bad policies including reservations. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Dreamcatcher
Comedian Username: Dreamcatcher
Post Number: 1195 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.86.145.68
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:13 pm: |     |
Cocanada: dhavada neppi ochestadi naakaithe
nuvvu telugu lo cheppeyyi...:-) Ninna Don Seenu soosa, andulo shreya venu maadhav ni tidatadi. RT, 'class ga kanipinche meelo inta mass character enti' antaadu, shreya, '...ye maata ki aa maata cheppukovali, tittaalante, mana telugu bhasha ni minchindi ledu' antaadi. :-) |
   
Ishan
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Post Number: 7173 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.1.194
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:11 pm: |     |
Jobs, Higer Edication and Professional Education lo reservations Biggest Joke. Its more important to create equal opportunities at the primary and secondary education. |
   
Kamal
Megastar Username: Kamal
Post Number: 21423 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:10 pm: |     |
>>>>too bad , I think cut off % should be 70-80% of the highest mark may be. perfect ga chepparu .. early in the thread ide cheppanu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Cocanada
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Post Number: 28922 Registered: 01-2008
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:08 pm: |     |
anthantha sepu drama english lo ela matladataaru babu dhavada neppi ochestadi naakaithe NTR_Rocks about Jr's shape: AP janam ni dochesi tintene problem...ala dochindi tintunnaru kabatte Ontiki pattadam ledu....Maa vaadu shamsher ga earn chesi tintunnadu...anduke Vontiki padutundi |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7308 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:07 pm: |     |
That reservation have increasingly killed the standard of IIT is something everyone inside an IIT will agree even if Bushu seems to disagree ...that reserved people are looked down upon is a fact that he will not refute...there has been a general consensus that ppl who grad from IIT in the 70's and 80's are its golden generation and incrementally all subsequent batched have only dwindled in their quality is a fact bolstered on a lot of metrics...IIT since the 2000 are just piece of show piece art riding on the shoulders of those stalwarts from 70's and 80's |
   
Dreamcatcher
Comedian Username: Dreamcatcher
Post Number: 1194 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.86.145.68
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:06 pm: |     |
Okahyderabadi:Brother(s) serious suggestion, don't get personal on any issue, you can have a decent discussion presenting your views and other side present theirs,no point getting worked up and fighting about it.
Amen to that. Guys, please try to keep it civil. Reservations are benefiting some that need real help, that is for sure. I have seen those cases and I have seen cases where they have been badly abused. I think there is a dire need for reform that eliminates the creamy layer from the reserved sections abusing the system and allow the needy to use those reservations. |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7307 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:04 pm: |     |
Bushu:I am arguing on a realistic scale that your self-fulfilling logical depth refuses to see
Fair enough and how is that my notions of realism shud comply to urs...and if u peer closely thats my whole argument....that u are striving for some segment of the society is purely a personal choice and there is no moral or logical propriety abt it but for satisfying ur ego that u are doing "GOOD" if it means anything in the defined context....cuz when u start bringing terms like responbility, valid,oppressed and morally right...the immediate call will be 2 define an universal format to apply it cuz U cant choose what defined compassion all the time...very much in the lines of ur so called FREE and EQUAL society coming to my puerility, I am blessed with younger looks kiki...since when has age been taken as a criterion for wisdom in a context of FREE and EQUAL society...U know what I am referring to |
   
Okahyderabadi
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Post Number: 2545 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 72.51.41.235
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 02:02 pm: |     |
Jp_rocks:lol..you conveniently skipped my point that kids getting zero marks were admitted to IITs.....your way of rolling off is at best a personal attack..and u call someone a charlatan...... reservation batch anukunta
too bad , I think cut off % should be 70-80% of the highest mark may be. Brother(s) serious suggestion, don't get personal on any issue, you can have a decent discussion presenting your views and other side present theirs,no point getting worked up and fighting about it. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8026 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:59 pm: |     |
Okahyderabadi:no mention about that? Has he articulated something on that as well?
i don't think so...i've seen him talk abt SC/ST reservations and reservations based on economic status..indiarocks should confirm |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8025 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating:  Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:57 pm: |     |
Bushu:
lol..you conveniently skipped my point that kids getting zero marks were admitted to IITs.....your way of rolling off is at best a personal attack..and u call someone a charlatan...... reservation batch anukunta |
   
Okahyderabadi
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Post Number: 2544 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 72.51.41.235
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:56 pm: |     |
Bushu:and brother, before you lose it again, shove that foot of yours up where the sun dont shine. you start off with lies and half baked arguments about which you have no clue. you have not been to an IIT and dont know how the SC students fare there but you roll off with pomposity about their existence. charlatans like you that peddle lies are dime a dozen on the web world. I have neither the time nor the inclination to argue with you. your intellectual vacuuity is beneath my condescension. so long.
cool down tammi lets not get personal, everybody has a right to a view. You have yours and Bushu bro has his. Let us discuss with a cool head, it is our generation that needs to fix this issue, mana lanti youth ( meeru youth antarenti ani comments ivvandi no issues ) ) Let us focus on Women's reservations issue and see if statistics support their cause. IIT is not the issue here In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Kamal
Megastar Username: Kamal
Post Number: 21422 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:54 pm: |     |
>>>>and brother, before you lose it again, shove that foot of yours up where the sun dont shine. you start off with lies and half baked arguments about which you have no clue. you have not been to an IIT and dont know how the SC students fare there but you roll off with pomposity about their existence. charlatans like you that peddle lies are dime a dozen on the web world. I have neither the time nor the inclination to argue with you. your intellectual vacuuity is beneath my condescension. so long. Vo my gaad .. endi idi .. !!! Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Ishan
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Post Number: 7170 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.1.202
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:51 pm: |     |
Bushu:shove that foot of yours up where the sun dont shine.
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Bushu
Comedian Username: Bushu
Post Number: 1501 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138
Rating:  Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:48 pm: |     |
Jp_rocks:
and brother, before you lose it again, shove that foot of yours up where the sun dont shine. you start off with lies and half baked arguments about which you have no clue. you have not been to an IIT and dont know how the SC students fare there but you roll off with pomposity about their existence. charlatans like you that peddle lies are dime a dozen on the web world. I have neither the time nor the inclination to argue with you. your intellectual vacuuity is beneath my condescension. so long. |
   
Okahyderabadi
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Post Number: 2543 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 72.51.41.235
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:45 pm: |     |
Jp_rocks:monnatiki monna ADAM TABLET ochindi...bunch of IIT grads
i heard they sold it to somebody and closed shop, correct me if I am wrong. I see your point on the crores being spent on the other folks too. The point here is reservation in general needs a big overhaul no doubt about it. JP gari suggestions are practical but what about Women? no mention about that? Has he articulated something on that as well? In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Indiarocks
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Post Number: 6105 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:45 pm: |     |
Jp_rocks:correctey....BP raising em ledu..v cool....yes i liked okahyder brother's argument..but IITians invention and contribution to society ledu ante koncham taken aback..
# of IITians coming out every year tho compare cheste valla contribution to India, comparable to non-IITians. And yes, the Govt. spends a lot of money on them. Majority of them end up in the US. Adi valla thappu kaadu. Mana Govt. chethakani thanam, and in turn ppl chetha kani thanam. |
   
Bushu
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Post Number: 1500 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:45 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:very very shallow...why?????
I am arguing on a realistic scale that your self-fulfilling logical depth refuses to see. shallow? puerility does not substitute for depth. you need years on your side before you get there. |
   
Pomegranate_life
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Post Number: 1597 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 32.97.110.60
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:43 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:ento nee athram ardham kaadhu...asalu sentence ki value ento...cheppu nenu minority aithe??? naaku special favors chesindha??
Annai neetho ide problem. Nuvvu oka business start chesthe you get perks for being a minority in this country. Same american ki aa facility ledu. Vadu areh veedu evado 3rd world country nunchi ochi minority perks dobbesadu ani edisthe ela untundi? Ayina 64 years after independence usa ela undo answer cheyaledu enduku? |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7306 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:41 pm: |     |
Bushu:your reference frame needs to stop at the country
very very shallow...why????? Are u arguing on a logical basis or on a emotive scale...if its the second then there can be never a solution cuz U will believe u are right... If its logical then I know u are smart enough to see the limitation of ur argument |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7305 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:39 pm: |     |
Pomegranate_life:Alage USA after 64 years after independence ela undo kooda cheppu.
first up this shows u dont know anything abt the industrial revolution after world war1....and secondly I think u dont see beyond the sky scrapers etc as a metric of wealth... sorry I cant put an argument on those lines...I am a decently trained economist to argue along those school boy lines... the number of incursions and forceble wars US did in the last 5 decades and its correlation to its wealth is AN ESTABLISHED FACT sorry I being brunt but I cant participate in winding arguments on trivia |
   
Okahyderabadi
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Post Number: 2542 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 72.51.41.235
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:38 pm: |     |
This thread is specifically for Women reservations, so let us stick to it. what are our arguments and what we can do about it. Leaving the cities since they will present a skewed view of the demographics(IMO) Let us go by statistics http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/india_statistics.html Women to the top Life expectancy: females as a % of males, 2008 105 Adult literacy rate: females as a % of males, 2003â2007* 71 Enrolment and attendance ratios: females as a % of males, Net primary school 2003â2008*, enrolled 96 Enrolment and attendance ratios: females as a % of males, Net primary school 2003â2008*, attending 96 Enrolment and attendance ratios: females as a % of males, Net secondary school 2003â2008*, enrolled - Enrolment and attendance ratios: females as a % of males, Net secondary school 2003â2008*, attending 83 Contraceptive prevalence (%), 2003â2008* 56 Antenatal care coverage (%), At least once, 2003â2008* 74 Antenatal care coverage (%), At least four times, 2003â2008* 37 Delivery care coverage (%), Skilled attendant at birth, 2003â2008* 47 Delivery care coverage (%), Institutional delivery, 2003â2008* 39 Maternal mortality ratioâ , 2003â2008*, reported 250 Maternal mortality ratioâ , 2005, Adjusted 450 Maternal mortality ratioâ , 2005, Lifetime risk of maternal death. 1 in: 7 </html> In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Bushu
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Post Number: 1499 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:38 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:
you dont have to scale it to the world. your reference frame needs to stop at the country. for you, maybe it's your family but when a group agrees to live together as a country(however artificial the construct and irrespective of your consonance with it), it's the elected reps duty to ensure everyone gets an opportunity. in your family, it's the family head who does that. if he sees one son lagging and the other super smart, he WILL spend extra time on the son lagging. magnify that to the country. you want to do it to the world, go right ahead and be my guest. but aint working in the world we live in.
Jp_rocks:
reservations ennallu kaavali antey directive principles lo unnayi. every 10 yrs ki extend authu untayi. 2011 ki malla chestharankuntaa. india elli marchu policy ni mari. your arguments are based on hearsay and emotions. good luck. btw, adhe directive principles lo uniform civil code kooda undhi but no one cares. you should understand how things work in india. |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7304 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:37 pm: |     |
Pomegranate_life: USA lo nuvvu minority ani telusa annai neeku? Alage USA after 64 years after independence ela undo kooda cheppu.
ento nee athram ardham kaadhu...asalu sentence ki value ento...cheppu nenu minority aithe??? naaku special favors chesindha?? I competed for my job with regular americans...and I cant make the cut I will sent home... No one will mourn for my exit and no one cares..... prathi okkaru abba naadhi entha jaali gundo ani kotteskokandi...andariki jaali untundhi.....evadi perspective lo vaadu chpistharu...meeredho deena jana bandho naukuni psots vesthe ilane untundhi |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8022 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:36 pm: |     |
Indiarocks:maxim OC galle unnaru. Anduke BP raise cheskokunda, kinda mana guru gaari stance ichanu, very practical, adi follow aipoindi.
correctey....BP raising em ledu..v cool....yes i liked okahyder brother's argument..but IITians invention and contribution to society ledu ante koncham taken aback.. |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8021 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:34 pm: |     |
Okahyderabadi:NADA, NICHTS, NOTHING, RIEN,KITU,NIETS
monnatiki monna ADAM TABLET ochindi...bunch of IIT grads start chesina project adi..just a latest example..IITians played a key role in ISRO's success.... Okahyderabadi:afterall an IIT spends lakhs of public money to educate that student over 4 years
this is what i don't like brother.....unna koddi mandi FC students ni ACCOUNTABILITY chupinchamantam..what abt the thousands of crores of INR spent on worthless candidates? what are they doing to the country? govt jobs that too reservations meeda elli govt sommu thintunnaru without any real worth..valla kante country bayataki poyi country ki money pampe valle better |
   
Pomegranate_life
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Post Number: 1595 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 32.97.110.60
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:33 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:USA and India put together.....frame a reference of a global society....one country made tremendous advance and other didn't...in what shape, way or form will it qualify ur statement that the world has been pulled back...
USA lo nuvvu minority ani telusa annai neeku? Alage USA after 64 years after independence ela undo kooda cheppu. |
   
Der_schuler
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Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:32 pm: |     |
Humpty_dumpty:
Annai neetho idhe problem...u take it personally...read all my posts this is an anlysis based logicity of statements and its stretch as opposed to ur or my notions of propriety... Naa posts anni chadavandi |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7302 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:28 pm: |     |
Bushu: it's the society's job to give them that opportunity else the society as a whole will be pulled back
very flawed argument...can u scale to the view of a world...??? USA and India put together.....frame a reference of a global society....one country made tremendous advance and other didn't...in what shape, way or form will it qualify ur statement that the world has been pulled back... If so, what is the value of the statement "Today we made progress in the fields of science and technology and are the verge of understanding everything" Can we ever use the statement we make progress for int he last 5000 years of documented history poverty always existed and if not worse the world today is as poor as 300 years ago....so will u make a statement of progress... yo, I am only posting for its sake...no grudges...kurrallu personal ga teesuntunnaru |
   
Okahyderabadi
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Post Number: 2541 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 72.51.41.235
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:27 pm: |     |
Jp_rocks:this is v v fair and just...but mana reservations ala levu kada..zero marks ochina VEDHAVA ni IITs lo ki tiskunna instances unnai...entha level ground lekapote matram, aa VEDHAVA ki IIT lo em pani?
cutoff should be higher ani argue cheyandi no issues 'V*' word anavasaram. As i said lets discuss with reason.
Jp_rocks:why should they stay back in a country that doesn't encourage them because they were born in a certain caste? helping india is a poor joke in my opinion..
why should they not? afterall an IIT spends lakhs of public money to educate that student over 4 years, mari right after that the student leaves and never contributes anything back to the country in form of inventions or something that helps the nation, personal patents perhaps yes but where are those Inventions that are supposed to help the country? NADA, NICHTS, NOTHING, RIEN,KITU,NIETS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Institutes_of_Te chnology_alumni In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8020 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:24 pm: |     |
Bushu:even today, we have thousands of people untouched by civilization and rotting in substandard living conditions
don't play the dirty sympathy card bro....there are millions of FC families rotting in substandard living conditions..anyways why are they rotting in substandard living conditions?? are they playing BLIND to the opportunities thrown at them by the govts from decades? my foot to ur argument on suppressed from centuries...thokkalo centuries..india ane country ye ledu appudu......ok..same geographical location lo thokkabaddaru kabatti oka 65 yrs padesaru reservations..inkennallu kavali?? another goddamn century? what are you talking vengeance here? rotting in substandard conditions anta..randayya bayataki, evadu oddannadu? kavalsina reservations unnai, ochi thinandi.... |
   
Music_lover
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Post Number: 94 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 167.230.38.120
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:21 pm: |     |
naa varaku Reservations based on CASSATTE/GENDER is waste. it shuold be based on where you studied. Baga money vunnoolu Manchi College ki velli manchi marks techukuntadu. Ade money lenollu govt/less expense private college ki velli konchem takkuva marks vastaye. So he also deserves seat along vth the person who got good marks. So lets consider where he studied and then implement reservation. i.e Srichaitnya Inter 950 = Govt College 750 Manollu deenni kuda full ga gabbu leputaru adi vere vishayam. |
   
Indiarocks
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Post Number: 6104 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:18 pm: |     |
Jp_rocks:this is v v fair and just...but mana reservations ala levu kada..zero marks ochina VEDHAVA ni IITs lo ki tiskunna instances unnai...entha level ground lekapote matram, aa VEDHAVA ki IIT lo em pani?
0 marks vachina vadini theesukomani rule pettina vedhavalalo maxim OC galle unnaru. Anduke BP raise cheskokunda, kinda mana guru gaari stance ichanu, very practical, adi follow aipoindi. |
   
Indiarocks
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Post Number: 6103 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:17 pm: |     |
Kamal:kotha system define cheyinchama malli 'some people' tho ne? ante same policy continue chesaamu ga .. persons different anthe .. indakati nunchi nenu cheppochedi ade ..
Evaru define cheyinchaddu annaru kotha system ni? Ppl have other priorities, you know, or they are happy with the current system. |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8019 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:15 pm: |     |
Okahyderabadi: We have had IIT's in India for what 50 years now how many inventions that helped our nation have come out?
majority of the inventions are from scholars from premiere institutes brother..kavalante research cheyandi..naku ippudu opika ledu but i will defer this to der and others..
Okahyderabadi:How many have stayed back in India and helped grow?
why should they stay back in a country that doesn't encourage them because they were born in a certain caste? helping india is a poor joke in my opinion..... Okahyderabadi:A student who has had comparable education for all his life, access to some sort of coaching/mentoring and scoring 95% in qualifying education or a student who comes from a remote village/town with no access to quality education,no coaching/mentoring and scores a 70-80%
this is v v fair and just...but mana reservations ala levu kada..zero marks ochina VEDHAVA ni IITs lo ki tiskunna instances unnai...entha level ground lekapote matram, aa VEDHAVA ki IIT lo em pani? |
   
Indiarocks
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Post Number: 6102 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:14 pm: |     |
Bushu:JP views enti reservations meedha? curious.
Enti vayya nannu JP official spokesperson chesesaru?Ye thread lo unte JP ravalsinde.
quote:What is the stance of Lok Satta on reservation? Unfortunately, this is a zero-sum game. When the combined opportunities available remain constant, then even if one community gains, the others have to lose. We need to solve this problem with equanimity by evolving mutually acceptable and practicable solutions. It is a fact that for thousands of years, some sections of Indian society have been oppressed in the name of caste. Individuals of some castes have been deprived of dignity as human beings and access to basic education. The social stratification has been so deep that even now we can correctly estimate 80% of the time the future of a child based on the caste and economic status of its family. Caste still decides the future of most children. Accepting this fact is the first step towards finding a solution. People crying hoarse for meritocracy should understand that to be called meritocracy, children are not competing on equal terms. Some of them have access to good schools and all the resources and supportive households while others donât. In this background, we have no way but continue the reservations for some more time. But limiting ourselves to just providing reservations and treating different castes as vote banks is abominable. We have to take some more steps to address the centuries-old problem. * Quality education and health to all for free. Lok Satta wants politics to revolve around these two issues. * Students who would benefit from reservations should also be provided with coaching for higher education like we are doing for the civil services examinations. * Applying the creamy layer concept to stop candidates from affluent families from reaping the benefits of reservation. Allowing them would deprive genuinely deserving candidates. * Economically backward families: There are many poor families in non-reserved castes. We may not provide them reservations constitutionally as it is social backwardness that is the basis for reservation in our constitution and not economic backwardness. But no child shall be deprived of education because of want of money. The government should provide scholarships to such children be it school or higher education. After implementing the above steps for a few years, we can start reducing the reservations by 0.5% or 1% periodically.
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Kamal
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Post Number: 21418 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:13 pm: |     |
>>>>it's the society's job to give them that opportunity else the society as a whole will be pulled back. this is true .. when FCs are discriminated .. the result is the same on the society .. Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Bushu
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Post Number: 1498 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138
Rating:  Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:10 pm: |     |
Jp_rocks:good for them...but who has stopped them from stepping out for the past 64 yrs?
that is your understanding of india. even today, we have thousands of people untouched by civilization and rotting in substandard living conditions. whose job is it to uplift them? many of them have been stomped under by centuries old social mores. race lo head start vachinodu prethodiki enakunnodu lokuvey. aa enakunnodi life endho choosthey gani reality sink in avvadhu. you know squat about iit so plesae dont talk about them. 70% of those kids do not drop out. physics/math etc could be tough but they scrape through. there are many FC kids who have stayed over for 6+ years while the SC kids have graduated. obviously they are better at utilizing the opportunity when afforded. it's the society's job to give them that opportunity else the society as a whole will be pulled back. |
   
Kamal
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Post Number: 21416 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:08 pm: |     |
>>>>thittadam gurinchi general gaa cheppanu, system gurinchi neeku cheppanu >>>>System ni eppudu some ppl ye define cheyagalaru. Lekapothe prathi okkadiki constitution lo konni lines ivvala, rayamani? LOL .. some people define chesina system lo ne discrimination undi ani .. kotha system define cheyinchama malli 'some people' tho ne? ante same policy continue chesaamu ga .. persons different anthe .. indakati nunchi nenu cheppochedi ade .. Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Okahyderabadi
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Post Number: 2537 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 72.51.41.235
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:03 pm: |     |
Jp_rocks:no..that's not what i said....i said assistance from a premiere school will definitely help a kid realize his full potential...who knows, a kid who gets into a premiere institute could leverage the opportunities and infrastructure and could invent an adam tablet or some other cool stuff right?? by denying him the opportunity, we are shutting down the possibility of a potential invention.. to me, inventions are key to a country's development and the key to inventions is GREAT EDUCATION..premiere institutes are a BOON and are KEY to a country's invention.......we've seen this happen in the very country that we are residing in right now.....so we need to RESPECT our premiere insitutions and regulate the entry into those institutions with RELIGIOUS PRECISION.. at least leave the IITs/IIMs/IISC man for christ's sake.....they are our stepping stones for success
meeru cheppe institution ki inventions ki enta relation undi tammi? We have had IIT's in India for what 50 years now how many inventions that helped our nation have come out? IIT's started getting the limelight in the early 80's and 90's before that they would be places from where. In the roughly 170000 graduates that have churned out of IIT in the last 50 years there are hardly 100-150 engineers who have done great in their careers How many have stayed back in India and helped grow? Narayanan perhaps and some other few people. A Dhirubhai ambani without an IIT has probably generated more employment than anybody educated at IIT dont you agree? and also revolutionalized the petro-chemical industry in the world. I do agree that premier institutes should not have ineligible students admitted but who decides the ineligibility. A student who has had comparable education for all his life, access to some sort of coaching/mentoring and scoring 95% in qualifying education or a student who comes from a remote village/town with no access to quality education,no coaching/mentoring and scores a 70-80% Level playing ante make everything equal and then give them a fair chance to compete for same thing and then choose the best. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8017 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:01 pm: |     |
Bushu:people come from remote villages, some not even knowing a proper sentence of english. JEE valla local tongue lo raasi vastharu.
not only SC/ST/BCs bro, many FC kids attempt IITJEE in their native languages.....ikkada point linguistic skills gurinchi kadu......physics lo close lo ZERO marks ochina vallaki admissionlochai IITs lo..vadiki em artham avtundi IIT lo physics? inta anyayam aina reservations evariki melu chestunnai? Bushu:first person from an entire village that probably ever stepped out and received any kind of decent education.
good for them...but who has stopped them from stepping out for the past 64 yrs? these reservations existed forever..... |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 6685 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:00 pm: |     |
social discrimination stays in society in one form or other....discrimination for survival is part of nature........but overcoming nature is also purpose of our existence.....so all noble systems and efforts at the level of society and individuals should effectively serve that purpose of our existence.....krishna said i created four varnas based on their inherent nature......he also said a pandit will see no difference between a well educated brahmin and a dog eater...i think the first one explains the differences in nature and the second one gives an ideal for humanity to aim for.....i think we get proper perspective of life if we take these points together |
   
Mental_sachinodu
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Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:59 pm: |     |
Kamal:nenu right wrong ekkada matlada? all i am saying is .. reservations was system designed to fix discrimination .. what it instead is doing is killing meritocracy and doing discrimination too ..
sorry kamalai, nenu thappu ardham chesukunna nee post ni... the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
   
Indiarocks
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Post Number: 6101 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:58 pm: |     |
Kamal:nenu eppudu tittanu??? infact .. lower castes lo kuda meritocracy ni encourage chesettu undali reservations ani cheppa kaani .. nenu lower castes ni tittindi ledu ..
thittadam gurinchi general gaa cheppanu, system gurinchi neeku cheppanu  |
   
Kamal
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Post Number: 21413 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:57 pm: |     |
>>>>Inka lower castes ni thitti em labham? nenu eppudu tittanu??? infact .. lower castes lo kuda meritocracy ni encourage chesettu undali reservations ani cheppa kaani .. nenu lower castes ni tittindi ledu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Bushu
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Post Number: 1494 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138
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Indiarocks:
JP views enti reservations meedha? curious. |
   
Indiarocks
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Post Number: 6100 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:55 pm: |     |
Kamal:while some people define systems .. those systems inturn make/break people
System ni eppudu some ppl ye define cheyagalaru. Lekapothe prathi okkadiki constitution lo konni lines ivvala, rayamani? MS bro cheppindi perfect. Ppl define the system. period. Reservation, reservation ani gonthu chinchukuntaru. Kaani aa reservations ni extend chese politicians andaru OC valley. Inka lower castes ni thitti em labham? |
   
Kamal
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Post Number: 21412 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:52 pm: |     |
>>>>dont get into that wrong and right thing, nature lo ivi rendu most abused terms anipisthadhi. its not about right and wrong, its about making things better, many a times, oka time lo right ayyindhi, tharvatha wrong avuthundhi, because we cannot control the outcome of most social experiments . we need to evolve, and we do. it is as simple as that. nenu right wrong ekkada matlada? all i am saying is .. reservations was system designed to fix discrimination .. what it instead is doing is killing meritocracy and doing discrimination too .. adi cheppadaniki .. two wrongs dont make a right ani cheppa (if discrimination was not wrong .. we would not ask for reservations in the first place) Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Mental_sachinodu
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Post Number: 4882 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:47 pm: |     |
Kamal:If two wrongs dont make a right is a universal fact .. then the discriminating reservations, do not fix the social problem is a naked truth .. it is as simple as that ..
kamalai, dont get into that wrong and right thing, nature lo ivi rendu most abused terms anipisthadhi. its not about right and wrong, its about making things better, many a times, oka time lo right ayyindhi, tharvatha wrong avuthundhi, because we cannot control the outcome of most social experiments . we need to evolve, and we do. it is as simple as that. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
   
Kamal
Megastar Username: Kamal
Post Number: 21411 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:46 pm: |     |
>>>>id like to say, a system is not the one that makes the country better, its the people. people blame the system, but it is actually the people who abuse the system. while some people define systems .. those systems inturn make/break people Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Humpty_dumpty
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Post Number: 11811 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14
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Der:
babu Der, first and foremost I don't support non merit entries in premier institutions. next ,mana bangladesh kee vasthay...well bnagladesh and others were not pushed right away to compete with ozzies and co... they were given a stage to develop their game with asscoiate tourneys and other programs by ICC so non premier facilities lo reservations undi, waatini correct gaa implement and monitor chesthay , govt will address social economic imbalance in a better way... as i already mentioned in this thread...today it is used by ppl who lack application...dat needs to be corrected btw, i dont understand why u keep bringing up the meat issue time and again to gauge the equality behind opinions? akkadiki daaka vasthay...why drink milk and shun eggs? lite veyyi |
   
Mental_sachinodu
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Post Number: 4881 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10
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Vjavasi:system also matters bro.......system can change people
sorry bro, i meant to say "system alone" the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 6684 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:44 pm: |     |
Okahyderabadi:Bottomline Kadupu nindithe gani, bhakti, vedamtam, philosophy, theories etc etc raavu so even that is being denied to some people in our country and they should get a chance and a fair shot at trying to achieve something
baaga chepparu annai |
   
Bushu
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Post Number: 1492 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:44 pm: |     |
Jp_rocks:poni aa chetha emanna velagabeduthunda IITs lo?? ZERO..NADA..ZILCH performance..70% of them get kicked out.
evadu jeppadu ee sollu? most of them graduate in 4 yrs, some may need 5 yrs. valla background thelisthey itlaa matladav. people come from remote villages, some not even knowing a proper sentence of english. JEE valla local tongue lo raasi vastharu. first person from an entire village that probably ever stepped out and received any kind of decent education. many contribute very well back to their villages. reservations have made significant improvement for hundreds of these SC/ST kids. abuse definite gaa undhi but that comes from the BC quota more than the SC/ST quota. but until there's a more fool proof system, you cannot deny them these. |
   
Mental_sachinodu
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Post Number: 4880 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10
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Jp_rocks:brother, most of the times it is these borderline guys that steal the show..most of the toppers take their intelligence for granted..but these borderline guys usually work their assx off to prove their mettle.. so by denying them their rightful admission, we are LOOSING many potential inventions boss......IITs ante joke kadu kada..every IITian is a potential scientist, an abdul kalam or a kasturi rangan......alanti univs lo CHEAP ga reservation seats esi chetha gallani kurchobettadam entha varaku nyayam? poni aa chetha emanna velagabeduthunda IITs lo?? ZERO..NADA..ZILCH performance..70% of them get kicked out......ade chance life ni panam ga petti chadivina oka FC kid ki ichunte, vadu daniki iche value enti? man come on.....kaallu chethulu narakali chetha gallani kurchobeduthunnaru..chassss
Dont get me wrong bro, Im not saying im not agreeing with you, my point was to contend that the society chose to uplift someone who cannot lead a life on par with avg person, over equipping a potential greats. It is sad that so many loose out in this deal, hope it changes soon. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
   
Kamal
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Post Number: 21410 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:43 pm: |     |
If two wrongs dont make a right is a universal fact .. then the discriminating reservations, do not fix the social problem is a naked truth .. it is as simple as that .. Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 6682 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:41 pm: |     |
Mental_sachinodu:a system is not the one that makes the country better, its the people. people blame the system, but it is actually the people who abuse the system.
system also matters bro.......system can change people |
   
Okahyderabadi
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Post Number: 2536 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 72.51.41.235
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:41 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:"We still see cows slaughtered and hens killed under the name of delicacy...their role in nature has been so sterotyped that they are dying owing to it...."
perfectly valid question and I appreciate your brutal honesty in this.It will not help my cause by admitting the double standard here but hey we should accept whatever is truth.
Der_schuler:Anthropomorphism is a convenient excuse devised by so called rational humans to escape from the guilt of doing what they profess is wrong...even an evolutionary argument(flawed on several fronts) can't escape the Q if humans are so evolved why are not their food choices...complying with their notions of equality...
perfect, as somebody said we human's are parasites, it is all about we and us. Animals have no reservations because their laws are different, there it is survival of the fittest. Now , we too are animals but we have rationality. What good is our IQ or intellect if we do not have compassion to others, be it human or otherwise? Jiva is siva, all life forms are manifestations of god ani Vivekananda said, however if we leave these life forms at the mercy of the 'parasites-humans' in their current state then they will cease to exist or stop contributing to the society in their own way. The issue of plant's having life or not and not treating them as life forms is not a suitable analogy here, though I agree with your logic about choices of food but hey early evolutionary trends suggest that humans were always carnivores until very recently in Geologic time lines. A genius like Ramanujam did not need any reservation nor formal high schooling to be what he was but he did get encouragement from G.H Hardy who saw his talent and gave him admission in Cambridge based on a letter he received from Ramanujam which had some astonishing theories in Mathematics. But , people like Ramanujam's are one in million. It is an oxymoron if I say in the same breadth that people like Ramanujam had the talent and got in to limelight but yet at the same time talk about some kind of reservation for women(to an extent). I take that stance because a Ramanujam happens once in a millennium where as here generations are being denied a rightful share in development of a child. My mother is /was a class 7 educated who had schooling opportunity but was denied so in the name of societal obligations/customs. She struggled with her inability to guide us during our schooling(after her level of education) and not everybody is in a position go get external help in form of coaching/tuitions elsewhere. I did well despite the handicaps and struggled in my own way fighting(competing) against the reservations to get a Masters from IISC and again a Masters here in the US. Despite that I do feel some sort of encouragement is needed for the women out there to get better education, better representation in decision making. We can disagree with a reason and with civility and I have no issue with that. Bottomline Kadupu nindithe gani, bhakti, vedamtam, philosophy, theories etc etc raavu so even that is being denied to some people in our country and they should get a chance and a fair shot at trying to achieve something In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Mental_sachinodu
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Post Number: 4879 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:38 pm: |     |
Jp_rocks:to me, inventions are key to a country's development and the key to inventions is GREAT EDUCATION..premiere institutes are a BOON and are KEY to a country's invention.......we've seen this happen in the very country that we are residing in right now.....so we need to RESPECT our premiere insitutions and regulate the entry into those institutions with RELIGIOUS PRECISION.. at least leave the IITs/IIMs/IISC man for christ's sake.....they are our stepping stones for success
there are alot of things that are screwed up in our system, and this one among them. that being said, id like to say, a system is not the one that makes the country better, its the people. people blame the system, but it is actually the people who abuse the system. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8016 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:38 pm: |     |
Mental_sachinodu:People who complain against reservations might just not be creamy enough to make the cut,
brother, most of the times it is these borderline guys that steal the show..most of the toppers take their intelligence for granted..but these borderline guys usually work their assx off to prove their mettle.. so by denying them their rightful admission, we are LOOSING many potential inventions boss......IITs ante joke kadu kada..every IITian is a potential scientist, an abdul kalam or a kasturi rangan......alanti univs lo CHEAP ga reservation seats esi chetha gallani kurchobettadam entha varaku nyayam? poni aa chetha emanna velagabeduthunda IITs lo?? ZERO..NADA..ZILCH performance..70% of them get kicked out......ade chance life ni panam ga petti chadivina oka FC kid ki ichunte, vadu daniki iche value enti? man come on.....kaallu chethulu narakali chetha gallani kurchobeduthunnaru..chassss |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8015 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:31 pm: |     |
Mental_sachinodu:so you are saying a talented guy who couldnt get into a premium school, will not be able to get his kids into school!!?
no..that's not what i said....i said assistance from a premiere school will definitely help a kid realize his full potential...who knows, a kid who gets into a premiere institute could leverage the opportunities and infrastructure and could invent an adam tablet or some other cool stuff right?? by denying him the opportunity, we are shutting down the possibility of a potential invention.. to me, inventions are key to a country's development and the key to inventions is GREAT EDUCATION..premiere institutes are a BOON and are KEY to a country's invention.......we've seen this happen in the very country that we are residing in right now.....so we need to RESPECT our premiere insitutions and regulate the entry into those institutions with RELIGIOUS PRECISION.. at least leave the IITs/IIMs/IISC man for christ's sake.....they are our stepping stones for success |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 6681 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
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i would say reservation is inherent in indian societal structure...the only difference is previously it used be 100% for groups....the domains were well defined....so the conflicts of interest were minimum....now groups with diefferent domain backgrounds are after few choosen domains and there is conflict of interest because of this competetion |
   
Desparado
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Post Number: 3595 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 198.70.211.87
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:30 pm: |     |
THe arguments here are they based on any premise(numbers) or simply populistic notions????? Most of us here were either raised in cities or in towns, but are we cosidering the fact that rural areas contribute to significant praportion of population???? where ppl frm reserved categories are not jst socially backward but economically aswell!!! every reform or rule (or whatever the right word) is/was abused......how can we arrive at a conclusion unless we know for sure good outweighs abuse or otherwise????we need numbers....if anyone got those statistics ...it will be easy to understand their stance IMO |
   
Raman
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Post Number: 1220 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:29 pm: |     |
Mental_sachinodu: i know i havent answered this earlier, but your argument and my argument is on the same line, but we choose to use the same argument supporting different sides. To me as a society, we tend to support someone who is perceived to be weaker, however flawed the perception may be according to arguments. Call it a emotional side of human being, which transcends all logic.
mentalayana sammaga bhale band esaavu kada  |
   
Mental_sachinodu
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Post Number: 4878 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:23 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:MS annai nenu ninnu eppudu adigina datesthav...naa Q ki answer...how are my Q's different from urs and in the light of them....where is a logical escape that can be charted to validate the anthropomorphic stances... People trying to ascribe themselves compassion when they simultaneously kill other life forms is a tremendous logical faux paus...So tell urself that u are defining ur life according to ur comfort and never ascribe any moral high ground to that...that will be logically consistent... And I am making this argument not to look down on any ones food choices but as a logical retort to some people trying to see themselves as some morally gifted and conscious souls
Der bro, i know i havent answered this earlier, but your argument and my argument is on the same line, but we choose to use the same argument supporting different sides. To me as a society, we tend to support someone who is perceived to be weaker, however flawed the perception may be according to arguments. Call it a emotional side of human being, which transcends all logic. I believe nature itself is not fair, but we humans try to enforce fairness though our perception. At some point or the other we feel compassion towards people who suffer, even if it meant a physical pain for ourselves. In this case, As a society we chose to support someone who was denied opportunities to compete with the rest, at the same levels at some point in our history. it was the need of the hour as perceived by the law makers, even if it meant depriving some others. Trust me, now a lot of BCs feel the same compassion for the FC guys who are losing out, and they system will change some day if not today. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
   
Thelegend
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Post Number: 3951 Registered: 04-2008
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:22 pm: |     |
I oppose reservation of any kind.... may be oka 5% service men/women kids ki, oka 5% physicaly handicapped ki okay |
   
Dreamcatcher
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Post Number: 1190 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.86.145.68
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:19 pm: |     |
Vjavasi:not only their social status but their economic status also should be taken into account for giving reservation
Exactly. But the problem is, in our country where we can print university diplomas on our own if we choose to, income certificates kooda ade range lo produce cheyyagalaru. Whole system needs to be revamped, society needs to change, kids need to be taught what is right and what is wrong, etc, etc. I think, due to such huge competition for so few opportunities, it has become dog eat dog world. Anything and everything is okay to achieve your goal. Somewhere something went wrong and we need to seriously think through the whole thing before it goes out of our hands. |
   
Mental_sachinodu
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Post Number: 4876 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:13 pm: |     |
Jp_rocks:they are talented but they are kids and need to be honed @ schools to realize their full potential.....gold is precious but it takes a lot of grooming before it could be used anywhere.. so ur argument that the cream could flourish without any assistance from premiere schools is at the best rhetorical.
so you are saying a talented guy who couldnt get into a premium school, will not be able to get his kids into school!!? however rhetorical my argument may be, that is what we as a society chose. and those are the rules of the society. to the society a cream and non-cream guy are the same, and today it choose to support the non-cream guy, while the previous society chose for the cream guy. there is nothing fair here, a non-cream guy who is physically stronger than the cream guy can beat up the cream guy and say, we had the same opportunities and he couldnt fight back, so its his fault. then why do we have laws supporting the weaker guy? as a society we chose to go against someone dominating the other physically.
Jp_rocks:again very generic....i had played by the rules of our f'ed up country and had gotten into a premiere institution..so did der.....but i've seen a lot of kids loose well deserving opportunities to kids who don't deserve to be janitors
like i said again, to me complainers are loosers, thats my personal feeling. people who are janitors deserve to be janitors nothing more, nothing less. an educational institute is just a stepping stone, and if a guy becomes a janitor just because he dint get to a school he aspired, probably he deserves it. not everyone who dint go to a premium school becomes a janitor. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 6680 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
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Everybody is born equal.....but the social and economic conditions they are born into are not equal......Reservations definitely help but there should be some rational basis....not only their social status but their economic status also should be taken into account for giving reservation |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7301 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
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idhe thread lo unna oka pseudo intellect once said plants have life...no where in the literature of biology have plants been ascribed life in the status quo sense of biology as in something that has consciousness and can make choices,,infact a raging debate is if choice is taken as a standpoint of consciousness then there is no valid biology for everything...if u preclude that choice thing...even memory materials which exhibit hysteresis has a pseudo life...lol... often misused and misquoted escape is that bose proposed life for plants...no where in his paper bose uses the word life of plants...instead he clearly lays down in the abstract that the plants studied responsed to electrical stimuli and changed behavior according to the stimulus.. this is no different from how materials turn magentic to ferro magnetic to ferri magnetic depending on the Magnetization VECTOR i,e both direction and size of the stimulus |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8014 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:08 pm: |     |
Okahyderabadi:their social background, economic background
economic background - may be yes..social background - hell no....bro which school denies admission based on one's social background? if there is one such school that does thiat, it is no good and will be of no help to the kid.. Okahyderabadi:It is a fact and we would be hypocrites if we do not agree that a girl child is severely disadvantaged in our country in 90+% of cases. We still see girls being denied education past primary school (due to various reasons), we still see fetuses being aborted because they are girls. Their role in society has been so much stereotyped that they are struggling to get out of that.
agreed...your's and anand's views on women reservations have changed my perspective and i have come to agree that women need to be encouraged.. |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7300 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
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Mental_sachinodu:
MS annai nenu ninnu eppudu adigina datesthav...naa Q ki answer...how are my Q's different from urs and in the light of them....where is a logical escape that can be charted to validate the anthropomorphic stances... People trying to ascribe themselves compassion when they simultaneously kill other life forms is a tremendous logical faux paus...So tell urself that u are defining ur life according to ur comfort and never ascribe any moral high ground to that...that will be logically consistent... And I am making this argument not to look down on any ones food choices but as a logical retort to some people trying to see themselves as some morally gifted and conscious souls |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8013 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 12:00 pm: |     |
Mental_sachinodu:why does the cream need to get to IITs/IISc/IIMs? They are already talented, and they can survive on their own
they are talented but they are kids and need to be honed @ schools to realize their full potential.....gold is precious but it takes a lot of grooming before it could be used anywhere.. so ur argument that the cream could flourish without any assistance from premiere schools is at the best rhetorical.. Mental_sachinodu:People who complain against reservations might just not be creamy enough to make the cut, to me if they are confident enough they will win through the rules of the game
again very generic....i had played by the rules of our f'ed up country and had gotten into a premiere institution..so did der.....but i've seen a lot of kids loose well deserving opportunities to kids who don't deserve to be janitors |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7299 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 11:59 am: |     |
Okahyderabadi:we still see fetuses being aborted because they are girls. Their role in society has been so much stereotyped that they are struggling to get out of that.
"We still see cows slaughtered and hens killed under the name of delicacy...their role in nature has been so sterotyped that they are dying owing to it...." Okahyder ji how is this line different from urs and if so the only difference is ur belief that humans are at the center of cosmic consciousness...lol...which is far from truth... Anthropomorphism is a convenient excuse devised by so called rational humans to escape from the guilt of doing what they profess is wrong...even an evolutionary argument(flawed on several fronts) can't escape the Q if humans are so evolved why are not their food choices...complying with their notions of equality... |
   
Okahyderabadi
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Post Number: 2535 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 72.51.41.235
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 11:44 am: |     |
Jp_rocks:
so bottom line - no reservations for anybody irrespective of their hardship - their social background, economic background antaru because - every man/woman are born equal and have equal opportunities and so should succeed - even if they are disadvantaged economically, socially they should fight and win without any external help All of your arguments about the cream of students being denied an opportunity to higher education or positions because of reservation are valid and I agree with you. The question here is about getting the women out in to the fore front. The same women who do an excelled job as a wife, a mother, a daughter do not get an opportunity to grow beyond the confines of the traditional roles just because the society has drawn certain boundaries which they felt are 'good' for a woman and thereby denied their right for a millennium. It is a fact and we would be hypocrites if we do not agree that a girl child is severely disadvantaged in our country in 90+% of cases. We still see girls being denied education past primary school (due to various reasons), we still see fetuses being aborted because they are girls. Their role in society has been so much stereotyped that they are struggling to get out of that. So why should they not have a rightful share to represent the people in elected bodies for example. Make it level playing, let a woman contest against a woman in elections and may the best win, that is if first they get a chance from the political parties to represent the constituency. In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Mental_sachinodu
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Post Number: 4875 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 11:43 am: |     |
Jp_rocks:that said, we've provided A LOT of avenues to SC/ST/BCs in the past 64 yrs..and in doing so, we've deprived a lot of sharp guys from getting into premiere institutions..like they say, 'the silence of a genius is more dangerous to the country than anything'..we've deprived many a geniuses from leveraging their full potential and the damage done so far is beyond any measure.. IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITY OF THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST GETTING INTO IIT's/IISC/IIMs.....imagine the innovation that could result from the cream of India..the way our current f'ed up system is set up, we are DISCOURAGING the best ppl to get into the best schools, we DON'T WANT the best people to serve the govt of india.....it's like we don't give a damn to the best guys, all we wanna do is provide avenues for the MOST INCOMPETENT of the lot..and we'll do this for centuries to come and we take f'ing pride in doing this..
why does the cream need to get to IITs/IISc/IIMs? They are already talented, and they can survive on their own. whats wrong if the society chose not to care for the innovation of the cream, which has successfully isolated the non-cream for a long time. Looks like the indian government should have restricted IITs/IIMs and other so called premium institutes just for the non-creams, and let the creams make the rest of the places creamier. People who complain against reservations might just not be creamy enough to make the cut, to me if they are confident enough they will win through the rules of the game, and the rules they knew when they entered the competition. People who ask for more reservations are also loosers to me, who couldnt just use the oppurtunities they have at hand. PS: I am against reservations based on castes, and gender. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8012 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 11:38 am: |     |
lot of bright FC kids in india grow up hating the goddamn system and the govt..to them, anything to do with govt is alien and reserved for some under-previleged guys who remained that way for ages....but their parents know the value of education, so they expend their flesh and blood and send their kids to private institutions....kids who get into private schools have nothing on their agenda to serve the govt coz their govt doesn't give a fing damn to these kids....so they either get the heck out of the country or get into some private jobs.. and these kids, after all that they've undergone, are expected to come back and serve the nation that did not give a rats assx to them.....some fancy magazine writers BLAME the kids for the BRAIN DRAIN..my assxx |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7298 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
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Jp_rocks:
yo pointless..she gauges the mood and talks as per the possibility of her being seen as nuvvu entha manchidanivi pinni...litelo bhayya pseudo intellects meedha time waste cheyyaku... remember this is the same person who said human brain can be modelled using diodes...lol......that succintly somes up what kind of intellect she packs in those diodes...... diode defintios thelisi neurology meedha even simple idea unna aa padam vadaru.. |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8011 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 11:17 am: |     |
Anand_n:Not girls though Reservations ivvala , adi solution aa anedi vere vishayam- but there is still a huge difference in male and female literacy rates in the country .See Figure 2 in this document..its a sorry state. http://www.census.gov/ipc/prod/wid-9801.pdf
yes there is a huge difference in male and female literacy rates...its a v tangled and a complicated issue..i don't know if we'll ever be outta this mess.. that said, we've provided A LOT of avenues to SC/ST/BCs in the past 64 yrs..and in doing so, we've deprived a lot of sharp guys from getting into premiere institutions..like they say, 'the silence of a genius is more dangerous to the country than anything'..we've deprived many a geniuses from leveraging their full potential and the damage done so far is beyond any measure.. IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITY OF THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST GETTING INTO IIT's/IISC/IIMs.....imagine the innovation that could result from the cream of India..the way our current f'ed up system is set up, we are DISCOURAGING the best ppl to get into the best schools, we DON'T WANT the best people to serve the govt of india.....it's like we don't give a damn to the best guys, all we wanna do is provide avenues for the MOST INCOMPETENT of the lot..and we'll do this for centuries to come and we take f'ing pride in doing this.. chassss..most depressing system |
   
Bunty717
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Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 10:36 am: |     |
Film_fan:nkonnallu womens reservation unchaali anedhi naa opinion...then gradually phase out....
OK mama nuvvu ela chepte alaane chedaam.. antaa manadee.. 2004 ..2009 |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7292 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 10:34 am: |     |
Anand_n:Everyone has to compete and prove themselves lo kuda logical flaw undi ... It requires that everyone is given the same opportunity to participate.
I hope u understand what u type....first up a statement "Everyone has to compete"... was qualified by the statement "IF EVERY ONE IS BORNE EQUAL" In conjunction, those 2 statements are self consistent and need no outside agency to support their logical standing as an axiom set........ As everyone conveniently used words "EVERYONE ARE NOT BORNE EQUAL" (to suit their stances instead of possessing the integrity to stand to a definition or an ideology emanating thereof) IF NOT BORNE EQUAL WHAT STANCE EITHER LOGICAL OR THE OTHER NECESSITATE PROVIDING AVENUES TO COMPETE EQUALLY since the premise itself in stripped of equality... Since U say not every one is equal then why shud they be treated equally...why is any racist stance bad then??????? How about some saying that since animals are not given EQUAL RIGHTS, there should be a concession that some 1 million humans be left in the african serangetti for the animals to feed....creating a level playing field...for them to thrive.... Any one who has a decent unbiased head will see the logical flaw in all the statements putforth...So never bring the terms called morality and others...for UR DEFINITIONS of EQUALITY... LEVEL PLAYING FIELD MY FOOT |
   
Dreamcatcher
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Post Number: 1188 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.86.145.68
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 10:24 am: |     |
Anand_n:Nenu ichina stats 1940 vi kadu , 1991 numbers .
Last twenty years lo emi maaralendantaara? I think a lot has changed. And I believe women are thriving in every field. Ammilani chadivinchatledu anedi old argument...what I have seen in in my india trips is totally different from this argument. Many parents are encouraging girls to shoot for moon in their field of choice. I am talking about middle class families here. |
   
Film_fan
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Post Number: 16095 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 08:34 am: |     |
inkonnallu womens reservation unchaali anedhi naa opinion...then gradually phase out.... oppurtunities thakkuva....kattubatlu tho....women didnt get a chance to study and get into jobs..... ippudu deeni dvaara vacchindhi..... but oka average male student women ki seat loose aithey.....and aa ammayi just seat avaliable kabatti chadivi......tharvatha pelli chesukuni....certificate daachukney parisththi aithey naaku nacchadu.... pelli chesukuni internet lo cinemaalu choosenduku Btech degree akkarledhu......adhey seat oka dependants gala magadiki vacchi untey.....family ki help ayyedhi anukunta....ofcourse..... chaala mandhi ammayilni......just matrimonial filters lo pokunda......undenduku....sadivisthunnaru anedhi....naa point.... We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. -- Aristotle
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Maverick
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Post Number: 23993 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 123.201.77.165
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 08:26 am: |     |
streelanu gouranchinchadam mana sampradayam..buslo varika ketainchina seatlalo varine koorchoniddam |
   
Anand_n
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Post Number: 8662 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.91.149
Rating:  Votes: 7 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 08:16 am: |     |
Everyone has to compete and prove themselves lo kuda logical flaw undi ... It requires that everyone is given the same opportunity to participate. Nenu ichina stats 1940 vi kadu , 1991 numbers .why is there such a disparity in literacy numbers ? Because more girls are deprived of the opportunity to even go to school - vellakunda ela compete chestaru anedi root of the issue ...once those numbers are comparable we can talk about equally posited to compete  aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale |
   
Awara1984
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Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 115.248.252.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:27 am: |     |
Reservations eligible people ki cheralante malli oka leader lanti kavali, same deprived section nunchi vachi, anni unna valla, leni vadiki andatledu ani vallalo evarina start chesthe, vere people ala kadu ila ante situation change avvadu Political parties cant question bcos they might lose their vote Manda krishna highlight chesinattu (ayanedo goppa ani anatledu) but he showed the discrepancy in reservation where one group got favored. reservations agalante only tow solutions 1. avi sariga reack kani vallu avi reach ayi well settled lo unna vallaki aapeylani demand cheyyadam 2. leda reach aian vallu swatchadanga maku akkarledu ika ane oka udyamam chese varaku |
   
Kamal
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Post Number: 21407 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:44 am: |     |
frank ga cheppamante okati chepta .. merit ni kakunda .. kanisam rationality leni reservations ni promote cheste .. its doomsday .. period .. for any society .. thats the truth ! people might think they are doing justice by providing reservations - 80% marks techukunna SC candidate ni 90% marks techukunna OC candidate tho equate chesi seat isthe .. atleast kontha lo kontha merit ni encourage chesinattu avutundi .. kaani if 90% vachina OC candidate loses out his seat to 30-40% reserved candidates .. then merit is killed and the society wont flourish under any circumstances .. 2-3 years back OBC reservations kosam agitations jariginappudu oka interesting statistic bayata padindi .. SC/ST students though get into IIT/NIT and Central/Technical universities like JNTU .. almost 70% people fail to complete the course on time or the equalent of a first-class percentage/GPA (decent performance) .. so people have to think what is it that they are promoting? govt jobs kottadaniki tappa (again under reservation) .. enduku paniki vastaru ala aithe? edo 10% performance leverage icharu ante ardam untundi .. if the difference is huge like what it is today .. it leads to the collapse of the nation due to lack of excellence .. PS - no offense meant to anybody availing reservation benefits .. but this is my view! Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Kish
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Post Number: 19185 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 117.195.216.217
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 01:14 am: |     |
Der's post- he asked me to post since he is in ban
Humpty_dumpty:all are born equal but not treated equal..
annai mari animals ki reservation evaristharu...sampi dobbuthunnam kadha...???? ardham ayyindha the logical flaw in ur argument?? How abt Bangladesh team in 1991 going to Australia asn asking for a marginalised margin to won as opposed to a target since australia is richer than bangladesh and since Aussie cotton agreement with the Common wealth looted banglas left right and center.... doesnt make sense right....An economy is strictly rational agents choosing to participate and to compete based on their profit tolerance and functions....as simple as that.... Any one who quotes that I was not treated equal is living a life not worthy of capitalist BS he ends up using.... putforth an universal proclamation of equality that no one will exploit no one else and include every conscious being into this cuz that is the limit of our human empericism as of today and then start reeling this kind of illogical premises.... Women in 1940 needed special attention yes... In 2011, No effing way...if u want to be treated equal....earn the effing right...die sleep for 4 hrs...I dont effing care...compete and earn ur right to whatever place u want to end up at Add life to days- not days to life! |
   
Humpty_dumpty
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Post Number: 11802 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 68.239.76.238
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 11:51 pm: |     |
Coke I don't know why you asked me the question The answer was there in my previous post itself |
   
Author
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Post Number: 20 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 173.15.66.254
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 11:50 pm: |     |
Author:how many of us are really DO NOT USE any car? white or pink or whatever its color?
Not sure, if it is ME or happening somehow.. but what I meant was... "how many of us are really DO NOT USE any (ration) card? white or pink or whatever its color?" |
   
Eluri_kurradu
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Post Number: 11976 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.169
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 11:43 pm: |     |
single eyyadam kaadu point cheppandehe  Nandamuri Rajni zindabad- OT & co Akkineni Rajni Zindabad -KNF & co Mega Rajni ZB - Papi & co |
   
Author
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Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 173.15.66.254
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 11:41 pm: |     |
Eluri_kurradu:Are n't they using up the quota which is there to up lift poor and deprived classes from their cast or tribe?
As i said "but..alas..who isn't economically backward in our great India?" how many of us are really DO NOT USE any car? white or pink or whatever its color? |
   
Eluri_kurradu
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Post Number: 11973 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.169
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 11:34 pm: |     |
reservation ki ending edi? asla oka 2-3 generations ga resrvationlu pondi collectors mla mps ayina kotlu adhikaram gadinchina vallaki inka resrvations enduku? Are n't they using up the quota which is there to up lift poor and deprived classes from their cast or tribe? Infact they are exploiting their own people. Asla alanti vallaki resrevations kalpinche vyvastani hate cheyyadam lo tappu ledu anipistundi Nandamuri Rajni zindabad- OT & co Akkineni Rajni Zindabad -KNF & co Mega Rajni ZB - Papi & co |
   
Author
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Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 173.15.66.254
Rating:  Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 11:20 pm: |     |
reservations ni hate cheyyadam anedhi murkatvam na drustilo..yes, the rules must be changed...change the reservations from caste based to economic status based... but..alas..who isn't economically backward in our great India? |
   
Cocanada
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Post Number: 28907 Registered: 01-2008
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 11:09 pm: |     |
Humpty_dumpty: they were introduced to eradicate problem of lack of opportunity to some not for lack of application by some
doesnt the same apply to kids whose parents have availed reservations??? NTR_Rocks about Jr's shape: AP janam ni dochesi tintene problem...ala dochindi tintunnaru kabatte Ontiki pattadam ledu....Maa vaadu shamsher ga earn chesi tintunnadu...anduke Vontiki padutundi |
   
Author
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i meant to say "how many people do really ignore physical aspect of the women?" |
   
Author
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i meant to say 90% of the men in the society...societal rules of the people are made for males by males...agree or disagree? I was asking that as if the respect that women gets is only in the DBs!!! The discussion is not about the DB anyway.. how many people do not really ignore physical aspect of the women? |
   
Eluri_kurradu
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Post Number: 11969 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.169
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 10:42 pm: |     |
Author:As Anand ji rightly said..who is giving equal rights to women even today? 90% of the society is perverts..given a chance, want to have an affair with another woman..where are you thinking you are treating a woman an equal? in DBs?
Joke aa? women are given great respect in this db for sure and they have better identity than most of the men here. And how can u say 90% of society is pervert when more than 50% of them are women Nandamuri Rajni zindabad- OT & co Akkineni Rajni Zindabad -KNF & co Mega Rajni ZB - Papi & co |
   
Author
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As Anand ji rightly said..who is giving equal rights to women even today? 90% of the society is perverts..given a chance, want to have an affair with another woman..where are you thinking you are treating a woman an equal? in DBs? |
   
Author
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Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2010 Posted From: 173.15.66.254
Rating:  Votes: 5 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 10:31 pm: |     |
Born equal... What it meant by born equal? Born with two legs two hands and brain? In our village, in the only school we have had at that time, harijans had to sit on the ground where as all others can sit on the benches..is that considered born equal? A person who was born into a family who works as a labor and fight for their day-to-day existence will have difference set of emotions and comforts Vs a person who is born with golden spoon...if a later person says I am fighting in this world as you are fighting with the former person, does it makes a sense? oh mannnnnn... |
   
Anand_n
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Post Number: 8659 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.91.149
Rating:  Votes: 5 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 09:41 pm: |     |
Jp_rocks:today, EVERYONE is encouraged to go to schools..
Not girls though Reservations ivvala , adi solution aa anedi vere vishayam- but there is still a huge difference in male and female literacy rates in the country .See Figure 2 in this document..its a sorry state. http://www.census.gov/ipc/prod/wid-9801.pdf aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale |
   
Ntr_rocks
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Post Number: 18527 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 71.228.195.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 09:39 pm: |     |
Reservation ichina govt ni and Reservation valla Votes kosam Vallani encourage chese politicians ni tittali.... ante kaani Reservation candidates ni kaadu....Valla parents ni asalu kaadu.... Nenu Nagfan kadu...mahesh fan...I was always a mahesh fan....acting ranollaki nenu fan endi????? - Ashton 13$ petti only nee(Nag) glamour chudataniki theater ki ravala??? - Ashton |
   
Ntr_rocks
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Post Number: 18526 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 71.228.195.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 09:38 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:reservation mongering dogs.....
 Nenu Nagfan kadu...mahesh fan...I was always a mahesh fan....acting ranollaki nenu fan endi????? - Ashton 13$ petti only nee(Nag) glamour chudataniki theater ki ravala??? - Ashton |
   
Telugu_times
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Post Number: 20943 Registered: 02-2008
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 09:32 pm: |     |
Elcaminocapastrino:
he was already banned in another thread |
   
Humpty_dumpty
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Post Number: 11801 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 69.136.234.48
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 09:30 pm: |     |
Cocanada:what about modhu vedhavalu from Forward castes? vaallaki reservation enduku odhu?
they were introduced to eradicate problem of lack of opportunity to some not for lack of application by some today it has come down to the second one. which is what needs to be addressed by correcting the system |
   
Dharmam
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Post Number: 2480 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 206.16.32.135
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 09:22 pm: |     |
Cocanada:what about modhu vedhavalu from Forward castes? vaallaki reservation enduku odhu?
Forward caste antavu inka reservation enti Pativrathe gani , gokithe vachestundhi ...ane type lo illogical logik sepithe elaa ? Hit or flop or avg cheppu anthe -Onlytruth |
   
Cocanada
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Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 09:20 pm: |     |
what about modhu vedhavalu from Forward castes? vaallaki reservation enduku odhu? NTR_Rocks about Jr's shape: AP janam ni dochesi tintene problem...ala dochindi tintunnaru kabatte Ontiki pattadam ledu....Maa vaadu shamsher ga earn chesi tintunnadu...anduke Vontiki padutundi |
   
Elcaminocapastrino
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Post Number: 22856 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 206.208.231.61
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 09:12 pm: |     |
reservation or not diff issue....reservation kurrollani dogs n valla parents ni eunichs repeated gaa anoccha??? action undadha??? |
   
Humpty_dumpty
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Post Number: 11800 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 69.136.234.48
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 09:11 pm: |     |
Cocanada:The numbers are never going to change because they do not use birth control
they antay evaru nataraja...thulaks aa? |
   
Kamal
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Post Number: 21405 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 68.45.29.251
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 09:08 pm: |     |
>>>>In 1980's , I saw in my own village in MBNR district..they were not allowed into temples, allowed into schools, but were sitting in a seperate place. Baba, this could be true for some SC/STs .. but what about BCs? 27% reservations ee group ki .. chala states lo economically, politically and socially power capture chesesaru almost 2-3 decades munde .. I dont understand them needing reservations .. first kaneesam vellaki teesthe .. reservations will be limited to SC/STs .. which will be around 20% of the total quota and that acceptable for some time .. alage .. economically reprived quota kinda 10% open cheste chalu .. slow ga SC/STs ki kuda fade out cheyyochu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri jaan hai tu .. Des mere Des mere .. meri shaan hai tu .. |
   
Cocanada
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Post Number: 28904 Registered: 01-2008
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 09:07 pm: |     |
Telugu_times:
If things haven't changed since 64 yrs, its highly improbable that they are going to change in future. 64 yrs is like 4 generations. The numbers are never going to change because they do not use birth control So, reservations will go on for ever. NTR_Rocks about Jr's shape: AP janam ni dochesi tintene problem...ala dochindi tintunnaru kabatte Ontiki pattadam ledu....Maa vaadu shamsher ga earn chesi tintunnadu...anduke Vontiki padutundi |
   
Telugu_times
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Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 08:56 pm: |     |
Jp_rocks:they were tormented generations ago for rama's sake..
In 1980's , I saw in my own village in MBNR district..they were not allowed into temples, allowed into schools, but were sitting in a seperate place. Bihar, UP villages gurinchi, entha thakkuva maatladu kuntay...antha manchidhi Social equilibrium maintain cheyya kuntay....society nindaa soori, bhaanu lay |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8010 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 24.12.232.144
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 08:51 pm: |     |
Telugu_times:some people were not equal, coz they were not allowed to enter temples, not allowed to enter the ONLY school in the village and so on and on.
bongu....beaten to death reasoning for reservations..they were tormented generations ago for rama's sake..today, EVERYONE is encouraged to go to schools.. eppudoo jarigina daniki chetha batch ni IITs and other premiere institutions lo jeranivvadam utter stupidity..chetha batch ante worst marks ochi seats techukune candidates.. |
   
Cocanada
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Post Number: 28903 Registered: 01-2008
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 08:39 pm: |     |
bongu lodhi eellaki reservation enduku? chaduvukunte evaraina odhannara? boys ki ivvali asala. aatalu aadukovali, chaduvukovali, cinemalu, DBing....manam chala busy gerals ki intiki elli chaduvukodam tappa em pani? boothest of the booth NTR_Rocks about Jr's shape: AP janam ni dochesi tintene problem...ala dochindi tintunnaru kabatte Ontiki pattadam ledu....Maa vaadu shamsher ga earn chesi tintunnadu...anduke Vontiki padutundi |
   
Telugu_times
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Post Number: 20938 Registered: 02-2008
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 08:37 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:When u are born equal then fight it out for that equality
Who said, all 100 crore people in India are born equal? some people were not equal, coz they were not allowed to enter temples, not allowed to enter the ONLY school in the village and so on and on. When everyone starts the 42KMs merathon at the same line...no one needs reservations....but when someone starts at 10KM line, then the person starting at 1 meter line needs reservations.... Ofcourse, reservations ni...rich and already well educated vaallu use jeyyadam maathram....no one supports, people like kaaka, goud, Madhu yashki etc etc |
   
Netra
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Post Number: 20026 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 205.248.102.83
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 08:33 pm: |     |
Dlm:FYI..meeku telusoo ledoo.... Govt colleges lo reservations ante..avi gen. quota nunchi teesinavi kaadu...extra seats for reserved candidates create chestharu... class 10 gen quota vunte..aa 10 gen quota thone fill chestharu...talented ppl kadupu koduthunnaru anedhi myth.....(may be jobs lo ayyi vundochu..I am not sure
dheniki anta?? IIT laanti place lo 90% cut-off anukundhaamu and valla madhyalo oka 15-20% techhi estte etta appa.. idhi before 10th aithe pick-up avuthaadu and kummesttadu.. kaakunte +2 tarvaatha chaala kasttam appa.. YSR AMAR RAHE |
   
Netra
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Post Number: 20025 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 205.248.102.83
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 08:30 pm: |     |
Dlm:mana badha emiti ante...manakante takkuva vunnodu/ less skilled persoon manatho kalisi chaduvuthunnadu....ani
cheppina kadha thammi kurrodu choice of words adhwannam ee issue varaku.. kaani basic point lo pasa undhi ani naa abhipraayam.. YSR AMAR RAHE |
   
Dlm
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Post Number: 12840 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 98.180.211.163
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 08:28 pm: |     |
Bushu:a woman is good at running a family, men suck at it. that's god given gift for the women. man is hence forced to do something outside the family and he usually ends up running the external affairs. man sucks at this also, given the current state of the world; but this way, the damage is to someone else, not to the family. so the vedas have spoken and the world should run.
I agree..but magallu adollani sariga treat sesi vunte ...ittantivi enduku vachi vundevi.... |
   
Dlm
Hero Username: Dlm
Post Number: 12839 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 98.180.211.163
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 08:26 pm: |     |
Netra: physically handicapped ki reservations ane peru meedha merit students kadupu koduthunna edhavalaki chaana theda undhi.. 90 marks vachhinodiki IIT seat raadhu kaani 4 marks vachhinodu ela qualify avuthaadu?? koncham aayana meedha hatred tagginchukondi and his words choice are bad kaani der cheppina dhaantlo thappendhi..
hatred emi ledu annayi.... handicapped vaallaki bus lo seat annadi..entha avasaram ane daaniki example gaa cheppa... FYI..meeku telusoo ledoo.... Govt colleges lo reservations ante..avi gen. quota nunchi teesinavi kaadu...extra seats for reserved candidates create chestharu... class 10 gen quota vunte..aa 10 gen quota thone fill chestharu...talented ppl kadupu koduthunnaru anedhi myth.....(may be jobs lo ayyi vundochu..I am not sure) mana badha emiti ante...manakante takkuva vunnodu/ less skilled persoon manatho kalisi chaduvuthunnadu....ani.... but der kurrodiki vere thread lo seppadu...reservation kurrrodu ithe pakkana kurchodu anta...in case kurchunna lechi ellipothadu anta....comedy!! |
   
Bushu
Comedian Username: Bushu
Post Number: 1478 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 04:48 pm: |     |
a woman is good at running a family, men suck at it. that's god given gift for the women. man is hence forced to do something outside the family and he usually ends up running the external affairs. man sucks at this also, given the current state of the world; but this way, the damage is to someone else, not to the family. so the vedas have spoken and the world should run. |
   
Okahyderabadi
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Post Number: 2533 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 200.43.141.173
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 04:31 pm: |     |
women ki mundu unna partithithi kane better ippudu no doubt. Educated families are sending girls to good colleges and in turn they are getting the education they rightly deserve (either through merit, or some kind of reservation). Private employment lo reservation ledu and it is all based on merit or their performance so akkada level ayindi kada? why there is not much representation for them in elected bodies? deeniki kooda vaddantara, today women are getting good education because of the above said reasons so in order to encourage them to enter politics should we not provide them some kind of provision? Those of you who talk about women getting better chances are talking only only their personal experiences based in cities what about the women in rest of the country? thittakunda cheppandi mee views In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Ishan
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Post Number: 7156 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.1.194
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 04:09 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:reservation mongering dogs.....
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Bushu
Comedian Username: Bushu
Post Number: 1474 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 04:04 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:
dude, next time nuvu mammalni boothulu dobbithey oorkunedhi ledhu. reservations maaku constitution ichina hakku. neeku kullu, simple. |
   
Jp_rocks
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Post Number: 8002 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 167.83.101.22
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 03:57 pm: |     |
Kdnumber1:Reservation candidates ni takkuva ga suse vakra drusti ichadu
vakra drusthi emundi bro....reservation candidates do not deserve a lot of respect..reservation anede pedda daridram..malli daniki respect aa coming to ladies reservations - it should be abolished on war footing.....aasthi lo equal share, chicken pakodillo equal share ani gola chestunna ladies ki pilichi reservations ivvadam deniki.. |
   
Humpty_dumpty
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Post Number: 11789 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 03:56 pm: |     |
Netra:how do you justify the increase of women employees in private sector idhi evvaru answer chepparu dheniko??
dlm cheppinattu womens reservation has helped somewhat in education sector all are born equal but not treated equal...be it caste, gender entha mandhi parents daughter nee engg or similar proffesional course lo join chesay wallu if an easier access to engg seat did not exist coz of ladies quota? chala mandhi inter taruvaatha 1-2 yrs aagi pelli sesi or time pass kee bsc, b.Ed lo set sesaywallu... or paisal koduku education kee set chesaywallu and obviously when u have more female aspirants, u will see increase in number hired |
   
Elcaminocapastrino
Megastar Username: Elcaminocapastrino
Post Number: 22844 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 63.232.250.253
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 03:55 pm: |     |
Netra:dheniki saami.. aayana anna dhaanlo thappendhi?? merit students lo pedhodu untaadu and vaadu higher caste aithe inka vaadiki adhi andhani draakshane kadha ee reservation valla?? okka reason cheppandi reservation ela good?? 1947 policy apply cheyyakandi saami 2011 lo kooda..
andhukani reservation ollanu kukkalu n valla parents ni eunichs antara....paddhathi ledha disco seyyataniki |
   
Netra
Megastar Username: Netra
Post Number: 20017 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 205.248.102.83
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 03:46 pm: |     |
Sanman:how do you justify the increase of women employees in private sector
idhi evvaru answer chepparu dheniko?? YSR AMAR RAHE |
   
Netra
Megastar Username: Netra
Post Number: 20016 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 205.248.102.83
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 03:45 pm: |     |
Kdnumber1:Reservation candidates ni takkuva ga suse vakra drusti ichadu
dheniki saami.. aayana anna dhaanlo thappendhi?? merit students lo pedhodu untaadu and vaadu higher caste aithe inka vaadiki adhi andhani draakshane kadha ee reservation valla?? okka reason cheppandi reservation ela good?? 1947 policy apply cheyyakandi saami 2011 lo kooda.. YSR AMAR RAHE |
   
Netra
Megastar Username: Netra
Post Number: 20015 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 205.248.102.83
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 03:43 pm: |     |
Dlm:handicapped ki special reservation vuntadi...(puttukatho vachina)...so vallaki special seats ivvakudadu antav??
physically handicapped ki reservations ane peru meedha merit students kadupu koduthunna edhavalaki chaana theda undhi.. 90 marks vachhinodiki IIT seat raadhu kaani 4 marks vachhinodu ela qualify avuthaadu?? koncham aayana meedha hatred tagginchukondi and his words choice are bad kaani der cheppina dhaantlo thappendhi.. YSR AMAR RAHE |
   
Kdnumber1
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Post Number: 7059 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 216.1.5.66
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 03:21 pm: |     |
Dlm: ee world asalaki equal gaa puttatam anedhi possible aa??
prati manishi ki devudu anni ivadu edo oka lopam istadu...ee der ki Reservation candidates ni takkuva ga suse vakra drusti ichadu....lite lelo |
   
Sanman
Junior Artist Username: Sanman
Post Number: 826 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 70.145.177.4
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 03:21 pm: |     |
Dlm:Womens reservation in education / job system...success ayyindi...
i dont agree with that. trends are changing according to times. how do you justify the increase of women employees in private sector i am not insecure. i dont need a group to oppose a lie. enemy of my enemy is not my friend |
   
Dlm
Hero Username: Dlm
Post Number: 12837 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 98.180.211.163
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 03:18 pm: |     |
Womens reservation in education / job system...success ayyindi... okappduu ekkadoo kaani kanapadani chaduvukunna ladies..nedu grama gramana kanipisthunnaru... oka stage ki vachaka reservations lift cheyyochu... |
   
Dlm
Hero Username: Dlm
Post Number: 12836 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 98.180.211.163
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 03:16 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:When u are born equal then fight it out for that equality
nuvvu seppinattu greatest jathi lo putta anukuntunnav..but vere vaatilo puttondiki..nee puttaka ela equal avuddi??? ee world asalaki equal gaa puttatam anedhi possible aa?? ippudu buses trains lo handicapped ki special reservation vuntadi...(puttukatho vachina)...so vallaki special seats ivvakudadu antav?? |
   
Sanman
Junior Artist Username: Sanman
Post Number: 824 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 70.145.177.4
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 03:04 pm: |     |
it is just another tool in the arsenal of a dummy politician. the nature of the job decides if women or men are more suitable. receptionist, air hostess etc jobs la lo men lose out. labor intensive jobs lo women lose out. ultimately it is the employer that decides what he wants. only when the govt is the employer then these kind of stupid tricks are possible. the day when reservations come to private sector which will happen very soon you can kiss goodbye to any serious global economic contendership from India. i am not insecure. i dont need a group to oppose a lie. enemy of my enemy is not my friend |
   
Okahyderabadi
Side Hero Username: Okahyderabadi
Post Number: 2530 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 200.43.141.173
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 03:03 pm: |     |
Der_schuler:I hate reservation in any form size and shape....woman reservation adigevallu are no better than those reservation mongering dogs..... When u are born equal then fight it out for that equality
Fight antey please spell your stand All political parties in the country have supported the reservation. Now is it really possible for the women of this country to be counted and supported in the male dominated society of ours? One off examples are present here and there but what about representation to 50% of population? How can they compete when political parties are not providing them a platform or giving them an opportunity. How Should they compell? - start their own political party? - All India Women's party perhaps - do a nation wide strike for few days to make the political parties realize? In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |
   
Der_schuler
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Post Number: 7288 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 38.106.198.17
Rating:  Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 02:52 pm: |     |
I hate reservation in any form size and shape....woman reservation adigevallu are no better than those reservation mongering dogs..... When u are born equal then fight it out for that equality |
   
Okahyderabadi
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Post Number: 2527 Registered: 12-2009 Posted From: 200.43.141.173
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 02:41 pm: |     |
What is your take on women's reservation. Why should women who form almost 50% of the population should not have an equal opportunity in everything? Der tammi, I know you are against reservation, but what is your stand on this? In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day |