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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 05:48 pm:       


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Exactly. I would take $10k and invest in stocks for 9 months (of course there is a risk involved). As you are already willing to pay 1k per month credit card payments, I would pay additional 1k to the principal instead and pay only minimum monthly payment for the card. and after 9 months lets say you made 2k profit in stocks(hopefully) pay that 2k as well to the principal.



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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 03:01 pm:       


Rudraksha:

I would not worry too much about skipping 6 months as we are paying the principal and interest already. the only difference is 6K savings over approximately 29years.




that is assuming interest rate of 3.5 after 7 years, which is most likely not the case. So the savings will be more than 6k.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 02:21 pm:       


Moviebuff001:

Missing one thing here.


yes, that is why we need something here in usa that gives guaranteed returns.

Not sure how much US FDs give but a 3% FD will yield a total of 24K (14K compared to 6K with mortgage).
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 02:19 pm:       


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at the end of day, it is your preference and choice.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 02:18 pm:       


Rudraksha:

So, now the question is is it worth to save 6k over 28.5 years through this process or invest that 10K wisely which gives guaranteed returns more than 6K in 28.5 years? India lo 10K FD chestey 29 years lo minimum 20 times avuntundi anukunta



Missing one thing here.
Today, conversion rate is at INR 70. If it goes down to say 40, well and good.
But if it goes up to say, a 100??
It happened with my investments in India.
Some appreciated about 60% in INR. But USD got stronger by 75%. Breakeven at best.

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 02:05 pm:       

7Lakhs FD with 7% interest rate compounded for 29 years giving me total back 5,298,517 (53 Lakhs) = approximately 8 times.

(in the previous post it should be 10 times, not 20 times)
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 02:04 pm:       


Guru:

no more personal exemptions


ade cheppaduga no more personal/dependant exemptions..
u get child credit tho idi ela aina vastadi not dependent on std deduction..

with 600K mortgage u r prime candidate for NOT using std deduction
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 02:02 pm:       


Guru:

You are right, effective savings is 6k but loan term also reduced by 6 months.


I would not worry too much about skipping 6 months as we are paying the principal and interest already. the only difference is 6K savings over approximately 29years.

So, now the question is is it worth to save 6k over 28.5 years through this process or invest that 10K wisely which gives guaranteed returns more than 6K in 28.5 years? India lo 10K FD chestey 29 years lo minimum 20 times avuntundi anukunta
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 02:00 pm:       


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Cpa kurrod sent this

Advantages: Higher Standard deductions, record high child tax credit, 20% extra deduction for passthrough income, lower tax rates, significant higher income limit for AMT, increase in income limit for child tax credit and many more great changes
Disadvantages: Cap of $10K on SALT, no more personal exemptions, moving expenses, in most of the cases charitable contributions will not be deductible due to higher standard deductions, no more unreimbursed employee business expenses, flat tax rate for small business to 21% , limit on 20% pass through income and many more.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:59 pm:       


Rudraksha:

6K over 29years ki credit card balance transfer risk is not worthy anukunta. instead as some one said you can invest that 10K in S&P and after 29years it may become 100K+




Snp already peak lo undi n rececession signs around..planning to increase holdings during dips
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:58 pm:       

any one with experience please guess and tell us: if we invest 10K in S&P what could be estimated value in 29years?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:57 pm:       


Guru:

4k per child dependent deduction.


no more 4K per child ded..its eliminated
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:56 pm:       

6K over 29years ki credit card balance transfer risk is not worthy anukunta. instead as some one said you can invest that 10K in S&P and after 29years it may become 100K+
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:55 pm:       


Guru:

Not worth itemizing mortgage interest


how much interest r u paying on 600K per year? i think around 20 K+..
20K+10K(SALT) ade 30K ayindi compared to std ded of 24K
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:55 pm:       


Rudraksha:

but are not forgetting that 10K you are spending upfront? I see only 6K at the end of 29years after subtracting original 10K from 16K




You are right, effective savings is 6k but loan term also reduced by 6 months.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:52 pm:       


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mortgage int is tax deductible..BT is not




With new tax laws, std deduction ee 25k undi anukunta plus 4k per child dependent deduction.

Not worth itemizing mortgage interest
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:52 pm:       


Guru:

Reduction in interest by 16k and loan term 6 months


but are not forgetting that 10K you are spending upfront? I see only 6K at the end of 29years after subtracting original 10K from 16K
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:50 pm:       


Rudraksha:

Assuming that after 7/1, you will be still staying with 3.5 apr, you will save approximately 6k, if you just keep making the normal payments for rest of the 29years




Reduction in interest by 16k and loan term 6 months
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:49 pm:       

600k principal ki 10k credit card BT..hmmm
mortgage int is tax deductible..BT is not
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:47 pm:       


Guru:

Loan just started..principal say 600k. Just 29 yrs away paying it off.


so what are your figures saying?

Assuming that after 7/1, you will be still staying with 3.5 apr, you will save approximately 6k, if you just keep making the normal payments for rest of the 29years

and with in 9months you have to pay off credit card and no other transactions should be charged to that particular credit card.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:46 pm:       


Andhrawala:

ante year ki minimum 36% interest osthundhi


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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:45 pm:       


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theenemma jeevitham...

antha antha fedda illu...boshadingaalu avasarama??? adi nj lo????




 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:41 pm:       


Guru:

principal say 600k.




theenemma jeevitham...

antha antha fedda illu...boshadingaalu avasarama??? adi nj lo????

property tax entha? year ki 20k unda? inka ekkuva unda?

monroe na?? bridgewater na? princetonaaa??

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:40 pm:       


Rudraksha:

depending on the loan amount, total years it could make difference. what is the remaining loan amount and in how many years/months you are going to close the loan?




Loan just started..principal say 600k. Just 29 yrs away paying it off.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:37 pm:       

u should try to refinance to 15 or 30 yr...ee month rates tagginattu unnay
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:36 pm:       

depending on the loan amount, total years it could make difference. what is the remaining loan amount and in how many years/months you are going to close the loan?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:33 pm:       

unless mee loan rate goes above 4% in next few months naku telisi use emi ledu
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:30 pm:       

S&P and other investment kuda kadu. its just higher interest you are paying.
meeeru 9 months ki 2% fee (infact its higher because if you take 100, they gve 97 after 3% fee and you pay 100, so its 3/97, 3.1%). this is for 9 months antey annually 4.15% is the interest cc company is charging you. and you are repaying a 3.5% loan, if there are addl closing costs from cc it adds up.

meeku papers/lien release cheskovali aney issue untey tappa it does not make any sense. aa 1100 per month cc ki pay chesedi prepay mortagge loan, you will save overall. the trap is you feel like you are saving 3.5% every month on 10k prepaid but you are paying 4.15% at the end of 9 months.
again as I said unless you want to release lien or have immediate need to save some monthly cash cost you are not saving anything
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:23 pm:       


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ee konda ni tavvi eluka ni pattatatam enduku..

u pay mortgage with the money u have...not by taking another appu..

edo 5% + interest rate mortgage unte oka rakam




Uncle naa post complete ga chadivi ardam cheskunnava?

My loan is arm so it will go up after 7 yrs. i want to bring down the principal as much as i can before refi. Taking a 0% loan offers more % savings than 300$ fee i pay to credit card.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:23 pm:       


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ala aithe 10k teesukuni india lo vaddilaki thippu




Bellamkonda Srinivas movie ki investment pedithe Rs 3 interest per month per Rs 100.

ante year ki minimum 36% interest osthundhi

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:17 pm:       


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ala aithe 10k teesukuni india lo vaddilaki thippu




 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:14 pm:       


Guru:





Savyasachi:

for a simple minded person like me, its waste of time and energy. heres why
lets say you do this on feb 1st.
you are paying 300 in balance xfer fee now in Feb
for 10000 dollars @3.5 apr you are paying $35 in interest every month. for 9 months thats 315 dollars. essentiall you are saving 15 dollars over a period of 9 months. but you are commiting to pay additional 1100 dollars everymonth for credit card.
instead if you pay that additional 1100 to the mortgate directly you will save 31 dollars instead of 15.




I guess hez talking about points...its a good thing to do....assume that your loan amount is 500K....1% of it is 5000$. 2% I mean 10k balance transfer chesi...2 points konukontae....4.25% loan 4% ki vachae chance vundhi...he will save money...
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:08 pm:       

ee konda ni tavvi eluka ni pattatatam enduku..

u pay mortgage with the money u have...not by taking another appu..

edo 5% + interest rate mortgage unte oka rakam
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:05 pm:       


Guru:

got it but sounds very risky. Night hai ga nidra povali kada kiki


ala aithe 10k teesukuni india lo vaddilaki thippu
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:01 pm:       


Executor:




got it but sounds very risky. Night hai ga nidra povali kada kiki
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 01:00 pm:       


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danikante manchi idea..
go to casino.. bet on red in roulette..u will get 10K profit (hopefully)




You are right. This is not for people who think investing in stocks is same as gambling.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:59 pm:       


Rajusk:




Speaker:




existing credit card ee but BT txfr isthannadu last 15yrs la never used..ippud manchi approach anipistundy
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:58 pm:       


Guru:

mari credit card loan evvar kadathaar


after 9 months, you take it out from stocks and payoff. meanwhile you only pay min monthly payments on the card which should be around $300
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:58 pm:       


Guru:

Savings unnai rainy day ki but idi different approach to prepay ani research lo telindy




vonly catch I see is ..one more new Credit Card account on your name..not sure how much it would change your credit history..

if you do two/three of the same ..just thinking loud anthe..feel free to ignore
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:56 pm:       

//Exactly. I would take $10k and invest in stocks for 9 months (of course there is a risk involved). As you are already willing to pay 1k per month credit card payments, I would pay additional 1k to the principal instead and pay only minimum monthly payment for the card. and after 9 months lets say you made 2k profit in stocks(hopefully) pay that 2k as well to the principal.
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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:54 pm:       


Guru:

idi different approach to prepay ani research lo telindy




credit cards vaadi agreement lo in fineprint lo pedtaadu...soodaledaa eppudu..?? they can hike the apr anytime they want without notice...

did u think of this at all??

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:53 pm:       


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not worth the trouble...

better to cut down your expenses and even if it is 1$ paid to your mortgage from savings...i think it will be still better than the route u wanna take...




trouble emundy annai? Savings unnai rainy day ki but idi different approach to prepay ani research lo telindy
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:52 pm:       


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You already know the answer. Ignore the rest of the advises and go with your additional payment if you are OK with 1K additional CC payment for the next 9 months.
Someone may come and say, invest that 10K in S&P for the term of the loan and you will get 20K or so. It is still better to pay off mortgagae in this case




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Exactly. I would take $10k and invest in stocks for 9 months (of course there is a risk involved). As you are already willing to pay 1k per month credit card payments, I would pay additional 1k to the principal instead and pay only minimum monthly payment for the card. and after 9 months lets say you made 2k profit in stocks(hopefully) pay that 2k as well to the principal




mari credit card loan evvar kadathaar
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:49 pm:       


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not worth the trouble...

better to cut down your expenses and even if it is 1$ paid to your mortgage from savings...i think it will be still better than the route u wanna take...
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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:47 pm:       


Executor:

and after 9 months lets say you made 2k profit in stocks(hopefully) pay that 2k as well to the principal.


danikante manchi idea..
go to casino.. bet on red in roulette..u will get 10K profit (hopefully)
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:43 pm:       


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Bro,
You already know the answer. Ignore the rest of the advises and go with your additional payment if you are OK with 1K additional CC payment for the next 9 months.
Someone may come and say, invest that 10K in S&P for the term of the loan and you will get 20K or so. It is still better to pay off mortgagae in this case.

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:37 pm:       

1. u save 0.5% interest for 9 months, not worth it.
2. yes and yes. monthly payment will remain same, no of payments will decrease.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:35 pm:       


Brightlife34:

You are paying 3% fee On cc for 9 months antey 4% per annum



Exactly. I would take $10k and invest in stocks for 9 months (of course there is a risk involved). As you are already willing to pay 1k per month credit card payments, I would pay additional 1k to the principal instead and pay only minimum monthly payment for the card. and after 9 months lets say you made 2k profit in stocks(hopefully) pay that 2k as well to the principal.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:34 pm:       


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daanikanna 10k teesukelli stocks lo ettu..10% returns minimum vacchela choochuko..follow ijiyaa




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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:34 pm:       


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annay, Housing EMI different ga work avvudhi emo kada.. First few years majority goes towards interest component..
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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:33 pm:       


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Mi lekka lo tappu undi annai..amortization schedule chudandy oka paali
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:25 pm:       

waste. here is the reason

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Mortgage 7/1 ARM - 3.5

Balance txfr - 0% APR for 9 months with 3% free.

Oka 10K balance transfer chesthey..300$ fee tho..if I prepay 10k ahead of 10 months and not use that card for any transactions and pay the balance in full by 9 months. We save on mortgage interest no?

1. Any downsides in this approach?

2. If we prepay principal,i understand that # of payments will go down. Does the interest on remaining principal gets recalcuated on monthly basis?





for a simple minded person like me, its waste of time and energy. heres why
lets say you do this on feb 1st.
you are paying 300 in balance xfer fee now in Feb
for 10000 dollars @3.5 apr you are paying $35 in interest every month. for 9 months thats 315 dollars. essentiall you are saving 15 dollars over a period of 9 months. but you are commiting to pay additional 1100 dollars everymonth for credit card.
instead if you pay that additional 1100 to the mortgate directly you will save 31 dollars instead of 15.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:16 pm:       


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10k teesukelli stocks lo ettu..10% returns minimum vacchela choochuko



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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:10 pm:       

mortgage pay cheyyadam valla advantage enti?

malli ade kada boggu
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:10 pm:       

You are paying 3% fee On cc for 9 months antey 4% per annum
Using this relaying 3.5% apr mortgage
Add other cots like closing etc
Bad deal kada
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:10 pm:       


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daanikanna 10k teesukelli stocks lo ettu..10% returns minimum vacchela choochuko..follow ijiyaa
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:08 pm:       


Guru:

principal



Chass... I have been typing Principle. Thanks for correcting.

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:04 pm:       


Moviebuff001:

Not a bad idea.
But you will be making 2 payments.
1. EMI (Payment stays the same) and
2. Credit Card. (That is additional 1.1K per month burden.)




Yes, it is like a commitment to pay 1K per month for next 9 months but with balance transfer, you are paying it 9 months ahead..saving interest on 9k principal for 9 months
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:02 pm:       


Bumper:

if ur mortgage intr is 4% then u can save only 100$.



That calculation is off.
The way interest calculated on Mortgages is based on Principal balance.
His expense is only 300 for paying 10K.
For paying interest on Principle, 10 K reduction makes a bigger impact. He might be saving upto 12K based on the 220K loan amount.

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:02 pm:       


Uno:

Have you factored in the annual card fee and APR on card borrowing after 9 months? (It will be in double digits for sure)




zero fee card. Planning to pay the amount in full by 9 months
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 12:01 pm:       


Uno:

How does it helps ? Unless tou are completely closing the mortgage and if you are $10k short .Have you factored in the annual card fee and APR on card borrowing after 9 months? (It will be in double digits for sure)




you are reducing the % on 10k principal compounded over 30 yr term. The way I understand, if you look into ur amortization calendar..look at the principal owed and go to the month that is 10K less..you will skip 3-4 payments at least. You are prepaying the loan by those 3-4 months. The % savings for those reduced months will be much higher than 300$.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 11:57 am:       

is ur mortgage interest more than 3% undhaa? if ur mortgage intr is 4% then u can save only 100$.

edaina etf lo petti after 10 months tisukunna we might able to get more appreciation Plus dividends.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 11:51 am:       

How does it helps ? Unless tou are completely closing the mortgage and if you are $10k short .Have you factored in the annual card fee and APR on card borrowing after 9 months? (It will be in double digits for sure)

And doing all this how much interest /money are you saving ? Around $200 bucks maybe ?
May be skip a movie or a restaurant..u will save the hassle !
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 11:51 am:       

Not a bad idea.
But you will be making 2 payments.
1. EMI (Payment stays the same) and
2. Credit Card. (That is additional 1.1K per month burden.)

Also, You can use this link here to calculate your interest savings. Ideally, your interest savings should be greater than 300 (BT fee).
https://www.ajdesigner.com/mortgage.php

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Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - 11:40 am:       

Mortgage 7/1 ARM - 3.5

Balance txfr - 0% APR for 9 months with 3% free.

Oka 10K balance transfer chesthey..300$ fee tho..if I prepay 10k ahead of 10 months and not use that card for any transactions and pay the balance in full by 9 months. We save on mortgage interest no?

1. Any downsides in this approach?

2. If we prepay principal,i understand that # of payments will go down. Does the interest on remaining principal gets recalcuated on monthly basis?

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