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Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1567 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 175.101.63.13 Rating: N/A |
yes. this suggests( to me at least) that Consciousness is emerging phenomenon or a phenomenon arises within the brain...it cannot know(experientially) how it comes about. it cannot transcend the body... | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1565 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 175.101.63.13 Rating: N/A |
yes. this suggests( to me at least) that Consciousness is emerging phenomenon or a phenomenon arises within the brain...it cannot know(experientially) how it comes about. it cannot transcend the body... | ||
Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 18437 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.165.3 Rating: N/A |
Both of you just said the same thing ... didn’t you  This is what I read - To observe something you need to be separate and above that .. so consciousness cannot be conscious of itself as in it can observe itself - in a undivided state it is just aware it exists ‘I am ‘ - conversely if it can observe things it is in a divided state ... The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1555 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 175.101.63.13 Rating: N/A |
yes. otherwise how else can it be measured!? your subjective reality yours and mine is mine... so does the everyone else's. what is the way or method that can be used to convince others despite their subjective reality.
Need not be. We may realize how it feels to be something/someone/somebeing..but we cannot understand everything about it by just being it. we can only know how it feels like.
Consciousness does not either know why it is and how it came about first off despite people attribute mysticism to it. why! it is actually the nature of it. It cannot know its constituent components unless it understands itself as it understand the other things. | ||
Ringo_rangaswamy Megastar Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 21040 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 67.82.48.54 Rating: N/A |
We hear the terms subjective reality and objective reality I think there is only subjective reality. Perception of someone else’s reality is your subjective reality. Science is away of observing the subjective reality in a boundary of predictability and defines it as objective. But its inly objective because it’s predictable in that framework? So the question is how do you experience everything that a subject did!’!You can know something but not everything unless you become that!! Consciousness sits over mind which sits over sesnsory reality. A lower level cannot experience a higher level unless it teanscends its current dimensions. You cant see x and y planes unless you are on . Science may offer tools to indirectly measure but as humans our tools wont allow us to experience the sameway unless we transcend. Z axis | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1554 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 131.228.66.14 Rating: N/A |
I meant sensational experience and the actual corresponding reality... for example, when we are in a flight we do not experience the speed, it feels static.. and if think that it is real and step out ..you know the result... your experience does not represent the reality here.. there are many such cases.. air/atoms/quarks cannot be experience directly... i understand that an experience as such may be real but it need represent the objective or physical reality ..rather it may actually represent our own internal state of our body/brain/mind.. | ||
Ringo_rangaswamy Megastar Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 21039 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 67.82.48.54 Rating: N/A |
There is no unreal. Everything is real. Only kochen is are you in the right place. If ur goal or life choices make you spiritual or if someone’s “delusional “ thinking leads them to different experiences is a result of different elements. But both are real. Everything in universe that is maniested and nit manifested is real. - its the wise who can tell whats good and whats retrogressive. | ||
Bushu Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 15023 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 146.115.100.52 Rating: N/A |
nee siga daraga = nisarga alaaney, con science = conscious khel khathm | ||
Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 18435 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.165.3 Rating: N/A |
External to other physical particles like CHONP atoms or internal to them ? -if internal then It would align with the bottom up idea that it’s there infinitesimal parts in each atom and collective reaches critical mass in a living organism interesting thought - but then what happens at death to these particles ?
It’s the vedantic idea too that consciousness ( Purusha/Shiva) is inert , it’s prakriti/ Shakti ‘s dance on the substrate of this consciousness that makes things happen and come into being Lol - just came back from the Temple after helping out with prep for tomorrow - and this is really not the thread to unwind with at 1 am GG’s assessment had some merit  The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
Gandhiguevara Legend Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 69760 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 104.190.153.104 Rating: N/A |
LOL | ||
Gandhiguevara Legend Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 69759 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 104.190.153.104 Rating: N/A |
annay yee threads ardham kaavalante ye course cheyyaali ? Coursera or udacity lo references ivvu... kasepu try chesaaka suptha chethaanavastha lo vunna naa chinna medhadu chitiki achethaavastha ki vellipoyindhi | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1553 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
maybe they should search for the possibility of consciousness particle as one of the fundamental particles or quarks | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1552 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
experience need not be real... we can get cheated by our senses and experiences...planting false memories also is possible.. | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1550 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
this is the very core thing that we are discussing ..right . when I say there cannot be disembodied consciousness and there must be physical correlates ..I think it is assumed that they are prerequisites.. if Consciousness is self-reliant why does it need a body at all!! Consciousness is by definition separating and hence has to be finite... universal consciousness may not have meaning or efficacy to do a thing.. it could be like the "invisible dragon in garage story" of Carl Sagan. | ||
Gandhiguevara Legend Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 69744 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 104.190.153.104 Rating: N/A |
Mentalolla thread alert...Self evacuation process initiated | ||
Mental_sachinodu Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 22192 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 45.26.154.245 Rating: N/A |
Sleep may not release the same chemicals for the experience to be "experienced"  | ||
Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 18434 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.165.3 Rating: N/A |
one of the examples of answers to your question in the other thread - mysticism explained by science The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
Ringo_rangaswamy Megastar Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 21027 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 8.36.66.4 Rating: N/A |
Why not sleep? | ||
Ringo_rangaswamy Megastar Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 21025 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 8.36.66.4 Rating: N/A |
To experience consciousness, you have to become unconscious.(Lol, joke intended) But once you are unconscious, you cannot experience consciousness in the sensory definition. So trying to define and capture consciousness as an entitty is futile. European philosophers are bums and they dont know that. They try to encapsulate and package everything and they dont know that they cant. It is experiential only. Science may be able to study its behavior but it will never be your direct experience. P.S. None of what I said above is my own experience. | ||
Polavaram Side Hero Username: Polavaram Post Number: 3460 Registered: 08-2016 Posted From: 99.203.28.94 Rating: N/A |
Maa state lo POT inka legal kaledhu Eppudavvuddho emo teliyat ledhu | ||
Rajusk Legend Username: Rajusk Post Number: 65815 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.248.21 Rating: N/A |
very nicely explained..tyvm | ||
Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 18432 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.165.3 Rating: N/A |
Wow -post chusi respond aye lopala inni posts paddayi
Edo time pass pursuit to make sense of things As to tip ..try correlating to what you know esp on the scriptural side - it will become more interesting and less dry that way The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
Kaisersooze Hero Username: Kaisersooze Post Number: 17433 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 154.45.214.44 Rating: |
you have to practice it daily....how would I say it?? sugar taste meeku theliyadhu anukondi....no matter entha explain chesina....you won't get the taste of sugar...idhi kuda anthae.....ours thoughts are in the form of breath....once our breath is gone....we are gone and our thoughts too...sit idle, close your eyes and keep observing your breath...you get good thoughts and bad thoughts.....ignore them....let let it go....for instance....sunny leon vachindhi anukondi....don't stick to her....let it go...similarly..edina accident ayindhi ane thought vachindhi anukondi....just let it go and keep on focusing on your breath (very hard initially)... after sometime...your breath focus will be between your two eyebrows....akkadiki vachaka....oxygen to your brain is limited....and all the neurons in your brain compete for oxygen..naturally...all neurons get fired...slowly you will notice your body becoming lighter in weight and brain receiving some energy....some call it cosmic energy..as the passage of energy intensifies your pineal gland (we call it thrid eye) starts generating more and more DMT&melatonin...these chemicals are responsible of mystical experience and for expansion of consciousness..you will notice lot of energy and coherence in your daily activites.... | ||
Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 18431 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.165.3 Rating: N/A |
Agree on the physical correlates - but let me ask this - are these correlates prerequisites for existence of consciousness / Or for a discrete physical manifestation of consciousness observable by another such? This takes us too close to the other thread Taking the bottom approach - what is it tied to at the minutest level - sub-atom or cell ? For energy exists at the inanimate particle level too. Is it really split up at that level and our sense of self is a collective roll-up...? I am not answering your question , just asking more Not really reading much on the subject these days - once the younger one heads off to college may get back to it The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1548 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
bro.. would like meet you sometime in blore.. would u b ok? | ||
Tombrady Legend Username: Tombrady Post Number: 62057 Registered: 05-2012 Posted From: 216.163.220.32 Rating: N/A |
subtitles veyyandi if possible | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1547 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
.. i drink.. drink beer whisky vodka and all .. | ||
Mental_sachinodu Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 22185 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 50.241.19.41 Rating: N/A |
i dont read that much vunkl... there is not much to these topics other than curiosity and answering your own questions with your observations and understanding. | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1546 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
Ok bro alaage kaniyyandi..mee view mee istham... Jr NTR may also have more depth.. | ||
Mental_sachinodu Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 22184 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 50.241.19.41 Rating: N/A |
read it as, which leads to make me believe that consciousness is NOT part of "me" ... | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1545 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
what is out there for it to be conscious of!!? am not sure how would such a thing be!...what would be the function of it!! | ||
Mental_sachinodu Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 22183 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 50.241.19.41 Rating: N/A |
from a single organism perspective yes... but im not convinced that it means that it is finite. lets reverse or rather the inverse view .. instead of "me" "looking" at the universe ... lets take the case where the universe is "looking" at "me". over a timescale of a few thousands years... im nothing but a moment of evolution from DNA learning itself evolve from a entity that has no consciousness to a conscious me .. a process that eventually lead to the preception of consciousness... Tress which are also the same process of evolution, do not possess this consciousness. which leads to make me believe that conscious is part of "me" but a part of the evolutionary process...and i quite dont know how to box it as "finite" | ||
Amaravathi Hero Username: Amaravathi Post Number: 18338 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 208.68.145.3 Rating: N/A |
annai, what do u smoke? want that thing | ||
Diviseema Legend Username: Diviseema Post Number: 38417 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 106.51.27.87 Rating: N/A |
VD aadi mokam. Kangana was better with sadguruu Naade Highest Grosser | ||
Ishan Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 10044 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 66.193.107.9 Rating: N/A |
///what do you think of Consciousness now? Consciousness needs biological substrate... /// I still haven't found a theory that can beat advaitha vedantha...so still sticking on to it... about the biological substrate...physical consciousness is programmed by brain...and brain is not an independent unit...it depends on the other parts of the body...human body depends on the external nature...so everything is interconnected...so what is that which is a complete unit in the universe? for me, human consciousness is the microcosm or a highly evolved model that explains the workings of the supreme consciousness which is the singularity from which everything else originates. "...mein parinda besabar...tha udaa jo darbadar...Koi mujhko yu milaahe jaise banjaareko ghar ..." | ||
Rajusk Legend Username: Rajusk Post Number: 65814 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.248.21 Rating: N/A |
what happens after you learn the mudra.. meaning etuvanti changes experience avuthai..just curious.. DB lo ee mudra peru chaala sarlu vinna..anduke asking | ||
Moviebuff001 Hero Username: Moviebuff001 Post Number: 11046 Registered: 06-2013 Posted From: 165.225.34.171 Rating: N/A |
Doesn't make sense. Consciousness relates to being aware and awake. And in general spoken in positive sense. Energy can either be positive or negative. _________________________________________________ Your words will tell others what you think. Your actions will tell others what you believe in. | ||
Rajusk Legend Username: Rajusk Post Number: 65813 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.248.21 Rating: N/A |
welcome to the club | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1544 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
Consciousness essentially involves separation.... separation of the thing that is being perceived or conscioused of ... that way it has to be finite...is not it!!? | ||
Rajusk Legend Username: Rajusk Post Number: 65811 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.248.21 Rating: N/A |
will try to finish the video over the weekend. kurrod ni ide first time intha sepu soosthunna..never watched any of his movies yet.. | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1543 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
ya.. I think so...I would tend to think(at least for now) that Consciousness needs biological substrate... there was an interesting discussion on this between Eliezer Yudkowsky & Massimo Pigliucci.. I copied a link here long ago.... | ||
Mental_sachinodu Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 22182 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 50.241.19.41 Rating: N/A |
there is an inherent problem with the nature of machines... we have a collective consciousness, or a singular consciousness which we all seem to be a part of. Can machines "share" such consciousness? i have a feeling consciousness like universe is infinite.. some sort of ISness ... if universe can be infinite, why cant consciousness be? Consciousness and perception of it can be as related or unrelated as the physical reality and its perception | ||
Musicfan Side Hero Username: Musicfan Post Number: 7122 Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 68.43.244.96 Rating: N/A |
Conscious Immortality Converstations with Sriramana Maharshi recorded by Paul Brunton, Munugala Venkataramaiah chadavandi Aravinda Sameta Audio Review | ||
Ishan Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 10043 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 66.193.107.9 Rating: N/A |
///we have to see how AI can emulate human intelligence sans consciousness/// Emulate? nah...at the best it can simulate. The day AI can emulate consciousness, all the world problems will be solved "...mein parinda besabar...tha udaa jo darbadar...Koi mujhko yu milaahe jaise banjaareko ghar ..." | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1542 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
what are your new findings or interests ? what do you think of Consciousness now? | ||
Ishan Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 10042 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 66.193.107.9 Rating: N/A |
///we have to see how AI can emulate human intelligence sans consciousness/// Emulate? nah...at the best it can simulate. The day AI can emulate consciousness, all the world problems will be solved "...mein parinda besabar...tha udaa jo darbadar...Koi mujhko yu milaahe jaise banjaareko ghar ..." | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1541 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
u seem to be curios of it bro.. u can definitely grasp it... first konni videos chudandi veeti meeda.. meeke ardham authundi.. we are not something exceptional ... we are just rambling... dont think we are elite in terms of intellect .. | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1539 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
ya ..back at it bro... not much updates from Ramchandran of late .. AI is more interesting now.... we have to see how AI can emulate human intelligence sans consciousness( am not sure if it can have consciousness too) .. | ||
Bharateeyudu Side Hero Username: Bharateeyudu Post Number: 8977 Registered: 03-2016 Posted From: 117.195.234.160 Rating: N/A |
how you guys can read such literature..naaku mind egiripothundi..any tipss.. chadivithe ade alavaatu avthundi laanti tips vaddhu first nisarga post ardhamee kaaledu.. qualia ante edo character peru anukunna..idedo qualis car peruki deggaragaa vunde ani search chesthe.. nisarga type chesina matter ardhamaindi.. ee topic meeda type chesentha scene naaku ledu.. i will only admire and feel jealous .. | ||
Ishan Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 10040 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 66.193.107.9 Rating: N/A |
///Qualia// Back at it eh? ...still following ramachandran?"...mein parinda besabar...tha udaa jo darbadar...Koi mujhko yu milaahe jaise banjaareko ghar ..." | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1536 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
nopes.. there cannot be disembodied consciousness.... it has to have physical correlates....otherwise it cannot exist... | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1535 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
thanks bro... will try to watch it.. | ||
Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 18429 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.165.3 Rating: N/A |
Then you are mixing the structure of consciousness and structure of the brain, aren’t you? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1534 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
the whole book of GEB of Douglas Hofstadter is about this in fact.. he tried to explore it quite a bit as to how consciousness can arise from inanimate matter.. his "I am a strange loop" also seem to be in the similar lines ... | ||
Kaisersooze Hero Username: Kaisersooze Post Number: 17432 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 154.45.214.44 Rating: N/A |
if you have amazon prime..watch neurons to nirvana....too good explanation..how psychedelics help invoking your consciousness..sadhguru explains the same thing... your body is capable of generating those chemical by practicing shambavi maha mudra.... | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1533 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
it has to has structure but it seems it defies its structure when it comes to function .. but I tend to believe that it has structure and it follows the same physical laws but the laws quite dynamic and multi layered... | ||
Bharateeyudu Side Hero Username: Bharateeyudu Post Number: 8975 Registered: 03-2016 Posted From: 117.195.234.160 Rating: N/A |
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Kaisersooze Hero Username: Kaisersooze Post Number: 17431 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 154.45.214.44 Rating: N/A |
I would agree with this...energy(athma dhi) increase cheyyi..you will start invoking your consciousness...it takes time to reach that level....but once you reach that level.....you will retain that feeling for ever.... | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1532 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
https://youtu.be/mSJPEMsEqLY ee video kada.. i was watching it... not finished though will watch it now VD guy is not frivolous as some people think here.. he has some depth and ingenuity | ||
Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 18428 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.165.3 Rating: N/A |
back at it ? You seem to be limiting it to a certain structure/ function ..is it not a summation of all functions- regardless of the structure that performs it .,? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
Taurus0807 Side Hero Username: Taurus0807 Post Number: 6877 Registered: 12-2011 Posted From: 198.208.47.83 Rating: N/A |
Ekkadaki velladu eeyana? Sadhguru ashramam ki emanna velladaa? | ||
Rajusk Legend Username: Rajusk Post Number: 65810 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.74.248.21 Rating: N/A |
mee antha interested kaadu ee topic meeda.. ninna edo random Youtube popup ayyindi..may be because of some other videos I have watched.. new Hero Devarakonda in talk with Sadguru.. synma actor tho Sadguru kada ani konchem choosanu..he started off on this topic around 40th minute or so anukonta..I stopped it around after it started..may be you can find some answer there side comment..good to see Sadguru in Oakleys and TFI hero speaking decent English | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1529 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: N/A |
brother.. just trying to understand the nature of Consciousness and how it can be formed.. and how it can arise from inanimate matter.... just my paityam and ramblings ..please bear with me brother.... if any interested guys may share their thoughts... | ||
Sasibabu Legend Username: Sasibabu Post Number: 61325 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 67.98.222.34 Rating: N/A |
gurujee.....okka mukka ardham kaaledhu ...simple gaa seppandi ...kaayaa pandaaa?? | ||
Nisarga Comedian Username: Nisarga Post Number: 1528 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 49.205.219.35 Rating: |
"To be conscious is to be conscious of something" -- Julapaala Shastri (Jean Paul Sartre ) Energy is Consciousness -- derived from David Chalmers by Nisarga... In the end, we are self-perceiving, self-inventing, locked-in mirages that are little miracles of self-reference. — Douglas Hofstadter Consciousness has to be finite by it's definition ..by its nature... it cannot be disembodied... how about the problem of Qualia(Quale)!!.. all the mental states( of the Consciousness, Quale..so n so whatever n whatever .) have to have physical biological neurological correlates in the brain or body .... but... it seems that the same brain structures can assume different other functions which would give different Qualia!!. how is it!! |
