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Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 - 10:29 am:       


Discoveringself:

alaa kaadu gaani......therez lil more depth to this......but ippudu kastam disco.......too long.....




definetly agree with you vunkl... i know you like to corner folks with arguments... i definetly enjoy conversing with you... and your branding is just a part of the argument ani nammuthunaan...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 - 10:27 am:       


Raman:

i have no problems with liberals and secular as long as they apply same scale to each religion..

subset of ladies widows ki tellabattalu eyyadam enti ani toolanade vallu ladies andariki burquas este emi mattadaru .. valla matam valla book anukunta support setharu ..
again argument kosam ayina nenu tellabattalu support cheyyanu oka example kosam cheptunna ante .. malli diso direction mari inko chotiki elluddu sache saavu ee liberals tho ..

the moment they say a thing against minorities sply muz or christians they become rightwing akkada desamlo problem undi ..




vunkl,
exactly same thing Platy is saying. dont play the victim ane septhunnaan platy vunkl ki.. neeki adhe chepthunnaan..evaro edho brand sesthannaar ani nee point of view change chesukoku....

most folks are dumb, dont give into them
 

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Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 - 10:19 am:       


Lenin:

evadra vadu...Mental Sachinodu is the true neutral ani certificate ichindi




thats mom neutral anni eppudu seppukunnaan..

anyway ... if you think congress is a better alternative, it is on you to convince me :D
 

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Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 - 02:00 am:       


Mental_sachinodu:

BJP is still the correct party for India




evadra vadu...Mental Sachinodu is the true neutral ani certificate ichindi


Guntur, Hyderabad, Andhra, Telangana, Tamilnadu, Karnataka first....India last!!!
 

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Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 - 01:17 am:       


Mental_sachinodu:




There is a difference between appeasement and pseudo secularism

appeasement is what normal politicians like KCR, CBN etc do by giving few freebies, scholarships, money to mosques etc etc

but pseudo secularism is what so called liberals and intellectuals try to rub on you where they consider, if there is something related to majority religion then they consider it as fundamentalism and when something is related to minority religion then they portray is a secularism or call them as true to their faith etc

These are the major points in communal bill that sonia headed NAC drafted for India

https://www.firstpost.com/politics/9-reasons-why-the-communa l-violence-bill-is-itself-communal-17573.html

you can also google it for yourself and have a quick go through regarding this bill and if you still think this is just an appeasement politics and then consider that i am mistaken if not consider that you have made a mistake in understanding what is happening in India
 

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Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 - 01:05 am:       

secular word in indian constitution preamble was added by 42nd amendment in 1976 by indira.....aayama almost half of the constitution marchindi...how ever western concept of secularism and indian concept of secularism are completely opposite....that is why uniform civil code could not be implemented in india..

India is a secular country since ages...whether you put the word in constitution or not, India will remain a secular country...No country in the world can question Indias secular culture
 

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Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 - 12:36 am:       

By definition pseudo secularism means not being secular but acting or pretending. I have no issues with people calling it out. Pseudo anything is bad.. phony!!

Secularism by definition doesn't endorse any religion. It advocates religion has no point of reference when it comes to human equality in a democratic institution!!
 

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Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 - 12:23 am:       


Awara1984:

what is secularism and what have you used it for?


secularism is one dimension of human equality that we should all strive for , if human race has to exist

Mental_sachinodu:

It has to do with the way a society is governed, that is the laws formulated, or rights made part of the governing constitution does not favor or discriminate based on the "type of belief".


well said!!!!
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 10:52 pm:       

i have no problems with liberals and secular as long as they apply same scale to each religion..

subset of ladies widows ki tellabattalu eyyadam enti ani toolanade vallu ladies andariki burquas este emi mattadaru .. valla matam valla book anukunta support setharu ..
again argument kosam ayina nenu tellabattalu support cheyyanu oka example kosam cheptunna ante .. malli diso direction mari inko chotiki elluddu sache saavu ee liberals tho ..

the moment they say a thing against minorities sply muz or christians they become rightwing akkada desamlo problem undi ..
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 10:35 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

Since poiliticians and politics are pseudosecular, lets blame the seculars ante chesedhi emundhi...




alaa kaadu gaani......therez lil more depth to this......but ippudu kastam disco.......too long.....

I know u r a fair decent nice guy.....yedo chance dorikindi ani "intellectuals" lo add chesaaa......ee issue lo OP shudn't have brought BJP into disco.....thats a convuluted and convenient way of blaming the victims.....he is too scared of our left liberal commie secular gang I guess.......no where BJP says, secularism is bad......if someone is truly secular no BJP supporter has problem with it......

cheers and relax....I take back my "intellectual" badge from you.....
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 05:16 pm:       


Platypus:

So, secularism is bad for India?


Secularism - Sarve jana sukhino bhavantnu

pseudo secularism - Sarve minority jana sukhino bhavantu

First is what Hinduism teaches... Second one is what you are seeing around you... Which one is best you think?

Vi veri universum vivus vici
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 05:08 pm:       

The more knowledge you gain the more reasonable you become and progress forward by questioning the status quo, learn to be inclussive... rush lauda batch conservatism ante....maadi dochesthunnar...mA desam ittage vunte memu M ayipotham....ignorant insecure, selfish rotten scum.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 05:00 pm:       

anyway... platy vunkl ki supporting thread yesaan anthe.. i would have posted the same if another person has posted that congress propaganda has made some conservative or someother stand as negative, that they shouldnt care about, and wear their comments a badge of honor.

i should have made it more clear .. probably, but i did not expect i would ahve to give some much explanation :D
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 04:56 pm:       


Ruj:

Desam varau secular politics ante pseudosecular ee..and most often than not its anti hindu as well..




Idhi evaru contest cheyaru, everybody agrees to it if the discussion is not personal. Since poiliticians and politics are pseudosecular, lets blame the seculars ante chesedhi emundhi...
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 04:54 pm:       


Discoveringself:

sometimes being not so politically correct is needed too....




again, why would i be politically correct/incorrect? I say what i think is right or wrong. its up to the people how they take it. if you think i am politically correct, its not my problem.

i have always supported BJP, but I dont mind pointing the wrong things. I dont mind pointing the right things on Congress's side. BJP is still the correct party for India, but they have their baggage, I dont pretend to be politically correct/incorrect for the sake of it.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 03:37 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

i live an as a real world as you do.




living is one thing....but empathizing with the masses and feeling connected to the world is an other thing......and sometimes being not so politically correct is needed too.....too much to ask from "intellectuals".....
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 02:53 pm:       

Desam varau secular politics ante pseudosecular ee..and most often than not its anti hindu as well..
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 02:40 pm:       


Discoveringself:

the luxury of being a pseudo-intellectual....aloof from reality and lost in theory....of course u will.....




:-) i live an as a real world as you do. ofcourse it may not seem so to you. "luxury", "pseudo-intellectual", "lost in theory" lol... nice effort.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 02:38 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

i will be pointing fingers both ways




the luxury of being a pseudo-intellectual....aloof from reality and lost in theory....of course u will.....
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 01:38 pm:       


Discoveringself:

"BJP propaganda lo padi" aney third class deduction lekundaa untey baane undedi nuvvu cheppina argument.......

if anything u really real seculars should be pointing fingers at pseudos....not BJP.....




i will be pointing fingers both ways :d
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 01:27 pm:       

"BJP propaganda lo padi" aney third class deduction lekundaa untey baane undedi nuvvu cheppina argument.......

if anything u really real seculars should be pointing fingers at pseudos....not BJP.....
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 01:12 pm:       


Discoveringself:



why did it feel like that u were endorsing the OP's argument and view....which seems totally faulty and the comprehension has always been weak, in general when it comes to badge wearing intellectuals......




To me its not OPs point of view is not faulty. If he is secular, and a BJP supporter is calling him pseudosecular, there is nothing you are anybody else to say against it.

If OP feels that someone is calling him pseudosecular, i am saying wear the badge proudly.Name calling does not actually change anything.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 12:50 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

i dont think there is any misunderstanding about the politics around it. I am fine with the political rhetoric, each party has its agenda. BJP supporters can call congress or its supporters anything they want to gain an advantage, and same goes with Congress party.




why did it feel like that u were endorsing the OP's argument and view....which seems totally faulty and the comprehension has always been weak, in general when it comes to badge wearing intellectuals......

hmm.....not very sure what you wanted to wear proudly....it definitely seemed like you jumped the gun there... ...anyways gud luck....
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 12:33 pm:       


Discoveringself:

Individually, you can be want you wanna be.........but pseudo-seculars is used in the context of politics being practiced and minority appeasement......and all the secular award wapsi intolerance brigade brought it upon themselves....

u probably getting it mixed up......OP is talkng abt secularism in a political social context.........ofcourse, like always barking at the wrong tree....

if secularism as a concept to be discussed and how laws to be implemented.......that should start without partisan swipes....and understanding the reality of society than coming up with utopian theories....




i dont think there is any misunderstanding about the politics around it. I am fine with the political rhetoric, each party has its agenda. BJP supporters can call congress or its supporters anything they want to gain an advantage, and same goes with Congress party.


Raman:

atheism is lot better than secularism..



not sure if its better, but its definetly easier to counter :-) . Athiests speak against religion, so its easier to speak against them. With secularists the problem is they support religion, and at the same time, can go against religions when there is a hardline push. Athiest is like a neighbor, you can stay around with set boundaries... secularists become nagging family members lol
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 12:24 pm:       

atheism is lot better than secularism..
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 12:21 pm:       


Mental_sachinodu:

for someone to be secular, he doesnt need to accept "Gods" or "Philosophies" but understand that there is plurality in nature and social systems.




Individually, you can be want you wanna be.........but pseudo-seculars is used in the context of politics being practiced and minority appeasement......and all the secular award wapsi intolerance brigade brought it upon themselves....

u probably getting it mixed up......OP is talkng abt secularism in a political social context.........ofcourse, like always barking at the wrong tree....

if secularism as a concept to be discussed and how laws to be implemented.......that should start without partisan swipes....and understanding the reality of society than coming up with utopian theories....
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 12:19 pm:       

nuduta namalu ettukodam madi battalu kattukodam brahminizm .. burqua eskodam nethina topi ettukodam 4 wifes maintain cheyyadam secularism ..
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 12:02 pm:       

Platy Uncle owaise gadu vachi him secular Hain antadu .. John Dayal gadu and other Hindu haters secular musugulo Hinduism Ni kummutaru .. vallu Mee side interested meeru secularvaa pseudo na?
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 10:46 am:       


Platypus:

BJP propaganda lo padi janaalu yeh range ki cherukunnaaru ante.. secular ane word ni negative gaa maarchaaru





Secular ante minorities ni nethina yekkinchukuni consolidated vote banks cheskoni, majorities meeda caste lines lo divise cheyyatam kooda kaadu kadha guruvu garu. Meeru kooda daani oka saari khandinchandi.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 10:32 am:       


Discoveringself:

btw, I dont think real secularism is possible.......unless ppl accept different Gods and philosophies......and some ideologies dnt agree with that fundamentally.......

all this secular lectures for BJP/Hindus....is just mental overwork for great intellectuals.........as they know, nobody will even given them an ear.....




i think this is a flawed argument. for someone to be secular, he doesnt need to accept "Gods" or "Philosophies" but understand that there is plurality in nature and social systems. It does not mean a Hindu should accept a muslim or a Muslim should accept a Hindu way of life. It has to do with the way a society is governed, that is the laws formulated, or rights made part of the governing constitution does not favor or discriminate based on the "type of belief".

Individuals in a secular society need not accept other beliefs as their own. A hindu can be /should be hindu. A muslim can/should be a muslim. An athiest can/should be an athiest.

Secular lectures for Hindus/BJP is much a political ploy, as the many supporters paint secularism as something of Congress parties short coming. BJP is a secular party, but ofcourse, no one will openly say it.
 

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Mental_sachinodu:

so, you are saying secular folks support all of these political issues?




you gotta look at who are the flag bearers of secularism......secularism is equated with pseudos.......not bcos of BJP....but bcos of likes of JNU intellectuals......and that gang on the HDK ceremony stage........

btw, I dont think real secularism is possible.......unless ppl accept different Gods and philosophies......and some ideologies dnt agree with that fundamentally.......

all this secular lectures for BJP/Hindus....is just mental overwork for great intellectuals.........as they know, nobody will even given them an ear.....
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 10:09 am:       


Time_pass:

malli ee PUSHPAM gallu RAMZAN ki tellalista laki selvalu

Jerusalem Yatralu , kanipinchina minority pary lathoPOWER kosam pothhulu




veelu rule sese max states lo no Ifthaar vindhu for Ramzan.

Is this good or bad.
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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 10:05 am:       


Time_pass:



Konchem realistic ya undali UCC ki 2/3 majority kavali. Also UCc affects everyone incl Hindus
Adi even if they have majority they won’t do.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 09:59 am:       

Modi shah ni tittandi ee ramzan pdp alliance laki. My vote is for bjp in Centre
Modi shah la policies wrong undachu but desaniki bjp is needed
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 09:55 am:       

so, you are saying secular folks support all of these political issues? you need to understand the difference between a political party supporter and a supporter of principle. //

this is precisely my point. there are secularists by principle and some by political ideology. pseudo secularists was coined as a political euphemism to criticize congress brand of min appeasement. the examples I quoted were historical evidences of congress crossing the line. aa context lone BJP vallu pseudo sec aney term techaru. obv counter ga congress vallu hyper nationalists ani antaaru kada.
 

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Brightlife34:




What is your comment on BJP -PDP
Nagaland free Jerusalem Yatra
AP bumchiki with the biggest conversion supporter?
BJP - Akalidal

where is their promise of UCC?
 

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Platypus:

Secularists ante negative gaa portray cheyyadam lo BJP baagaane succeed ayyindhi.




malli ee PUSHPAM gallu RAMZAN ki tellalista laki selvalu

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cheppedi SREE RANGA NEETHULU DOOREDI DOMMARI KOMPALU
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 09:06 am:       


Rajusk:

Evandoyi Platy Garu..
maa rashtram loki adugu pettara ?




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Platypus:




Evandoyi Platy Garu..
maa rashtram loki adugu pettara ?
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 08:55 am:       


Awara1984:

secularism is part of culture it is ingredient in everyone it is imbibed to us from our parents, prayers, religious texts from our childhood

no need of pseudo secularism of text books or western world that will lead to what is happening in UK




there is nothing called pseudo secularism of text books, or western world. it is a made up word used for political reasons. appeasement always happens, whether its a secualr or non-secular country, or even a country where secular is "part of culture". western world text books chadivi mana desi politicians minority appeasement chesthunnaru is a piece of trash. its human fallacies, they dont have to read something to learn these appeasement politics.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 08:49 am:       


Brightlife34:

Read minority poll it�s took bill and you wil know. This was mooted by congress.
Read MMS statement about minorities having first right on natural resources. Read free have given to Christian missionaries in India. Read changing demographics from illegal immigration left unaddressed for vote bank in east India.
Read shah bano, batla encounter I can go on and on. List is endless.
If you think India was fine n secular before no point in arguing




so, you are saying secular folks support all of these political issues? you need to understand the difference between a political party supporter and a supporter of principle.

BJP supporters kooda chala mandhi seculars untaaru.. like me.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 08:47 am:       


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BJP propaganda lo padi janaalu yeh range ki cherukunnaaru ante.. secular ane word ni negative gaa maarchaaru. If someone says something to support secularism in the country, they are automatically branded as pseudo secularists.

Secularism anedhi greatest gift that India has. Daanni pogottukunte asalu identity yeh ledhu manaku.




lol.... idhi ippudu ardha ayyinda vunkl.. BJP endhi.. eee db lo ne choosthaam idhi... secular is the new commie ... i would say wear the pseudosecular badge proudly... they are the insecure ones
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 07:10 am:       


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Minority protection *
https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/nation/story/20110718-con gress-sonia-gandhi-nac-bill-godhra-riots-746808-2011-07-09
It’s sc st atrocity act
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 07:07 am:       


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Read minority poll it’s took bill and you wil know. This was mooted by congress.
Read MMS statement about minorities having first right on natural resources. Read free have given to Christian missionaries in India. Read changing demographics from illegal immigration left unaddressed for vote bank in east India.
Read shah bano, batla encounter I can go on and on. List is endless.
If you think India was fine n secular before no point in arguing
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 06:23 am:       


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what is secularism and what have you used it for?
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 06:18 am:       

Why are we then equating Secularism with Pseudo secularism? Secularism is great for the country. But nowadays when I say the word "Secularism", BJPians immediately start pouncing saying pseudo secularism...
This world appearance is a confusion: even as the blueness of the sky is an optical illusion. I think it is better not to let the mind dwell on it, but to ignore it.
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 06:17 am:       

too much of anything is wrong. congress secularism lo aa line cross chesaru.


ee branding ettago two sides undi, either you are pseudo-secular (or mudhuga sickularist) or you are bhakt (mudhuga nikkar).
No one is going to tell you the truth. They’re only going to tell you their version! ~Julian Assange
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 06:15 am:       


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secularism is part of culture it is ingredient in everyone it is imbibed to us from our parents, prayers, religious texts from our childhood

no need of pseudo secularism of text books or western world that will lead to what is happening in UK
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 06:13 am:       


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So, secularism is bad for India?
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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 06:01 am:       


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pseudo secularism ekkuva aithe Europe laaga ilantivi jaruguthai

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/grooming-gangs-u k-britain-newcastle-serious-case-review-operation-sanctuary- shelter-muslim-asian-a8225106.html
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 05:48 am:       


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Victim card okati play chesthaaru adhi pattukuni kuhaana pandithulantha bayalderatharu loukikavadhulam ani asalu veellallo okkadu genuine undadu
vijayawada abhivruddhini addukokapothe isaakapatnam lo jambalakidi pamba aidho dasa vache pramadham undi babu sir make vizag capital ASAP
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 05:46 am:       


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nuv ane secularistlaki




Thanks for proving my point.

Secularists ante negative gaa portray cheyyadam lo BJP baagaane succeed ayyindhi.
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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 05:45 am:       


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Adhe chepthunna athi manchithanam unnollla daggara enni aatalaina saaguthaai india lo liberty ekkuvaga anduke rechipothunnaru prathi daaniki vithandavaadham ardham leni vyakhyalu cheyyadam maade correct annattu matladadam chelluthunnai nuv ane secularistlaki
vijayawada abhivruddhini addukokapothe isaakapatnam lo jambalakidi pamba aidho dasa vache pramadham undi babu sir make vizag capital ASAP
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 05:41 am:       


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ive arguments middle east lo cheyyamanu em jaruguthundoo thelusthundi




They are NOT secular countries. Vaatitho comparison endhuku?
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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 05:40 am:       


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Asalu secular ane word mention cheyyaledu rajyangamlo ila secular ani cheppukune vaallantha oka section of people ki anti ga matladevaallu ive arguments middle east lo cheyyamanu em jaruguthundoo thelusthundi




So, you think India is not secular by definition?
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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 05:37 am:       

secularism is part and parcel of culture sarve jana sukhino bhavanthu is what we say after every puja and prayer

it doesn't need some so called intellects to teach that concept to Indians or propagate some appeasement shit as secularism
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 05:37 am:       

Asalu secular ane word mention cheyyaledu rajyangamlo ila secular ani cheppukune vaallantha oka section of people ki anti ga matladevaallu ive arguments middle east lo cheyyamanu em jaruguthundoo thelusthundi
vijayawada abhivruddhini addukokapothe isaakapatnam lo jambalakidi pamba aidho dasa vache pramadham undi babu sir make vizag capital ASAP
 

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Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 05:15 am:       

BJP propaganda lo padi janaalu yeh range ki cherukunnaaru ante.. secular ane word ni negative gaa maarchaaru. If someone says something to support secularism in the country, they are automatically branded as pseudo secularists.

Secularism anedhi greatest gift that India has. Daanni pogottukunte asalu identity yeh ledhu manaku.
This world appearance is a confusion: even as the blueness of the sky is an optical illusion. I think it is better not to let the mind dwell on it, but to ignore it.

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