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Moviebuff001 Comedian Username: Moviebuff001 Post Number: 1227 Registered: 06-2013 Posted From: 76.31.114.171 Rating: |
Argument oppukokapote abuse start. Head shake. | ||
Moviebuff001 Comedian Username: Moviebuff001 Post Number: 1225 Registered: 06-2013 Posted From: 76.31.114.171 Rating: N/A |
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Discoveringself Junior Artist Username: Discoveringself Post Number: 7 Registered: 01-2016 Posted From: 70.27.106.157 Rating: N/A |
even per-capita and many economic factors were better........quoted GDP...as an oppressed and corrupt society...even with its population can't match up to others ani...like India and China in the past century....ani simple concept to comprehend ani.... one more thing.....nothing personal.....it happens across the society.....so plz don't think I am talking about you in particular........I will try to keep the "personal" aspect out as much as possible......except noting the personal bias....if that seems to be the basis......... | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 16040 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.82.187.179 Rating: N/A |
mokaliki bodi gundu ki link petti endho highest GDP anta.....ee sodhi kurrodu malla vere valla abilities meedha comments......mundhu GDP basics telusuko....population ekkuva vunna GDP highest vuntundhi.....China highest GDP now but per capita income one-fourth of US.....Agri economy rivers, water, population vunte automatic ga perugutundhi caste avasaram la | ||
Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 7960 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.27.106.157 Rating: |
it's never about understanding system or about it's failure or success......when there is a lack of ability to achieve great things.....and their vanity doesn't give in.........sometimes ppl try creating these ghosts....and fight them for that feel-good factor......... and you need to avoid facts to construct such ghosts..and rely on vague unsubstantiated non-sense.........highest GDP in the world during those times...........and hardly any atrocities..........except in the communist hate filled books....... anyways, gud luck to Kanche Iliah and ilk......manda balamtho forcing things is the only goal........if licking some masters and slavery is lucrative tomorrow, then these so called social justice crusaders.....will be the first in line..........and start playing that tune........ but their lack of ability doesn't change......and their vanity only adds to the misery..... | ||
Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 18629 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 24.125.46.70 Rating: |
Change has to be organic, or else it's bound to fail. | ||
Tilak Legend Username: Tilak Post Number: 40585 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 59.189.216.76 Rating: N/A |
exactly .. 1960 lo China lo jarigina mao's "cultural revolution" India lo tevali .. Team India : NaMo - Parrikar - Gadkari - Prabhu - Piyush - Smriti - Uma Bharti - Sushma | ||
Guriginja Legend Username: Guriginja Post Number: 33338 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 71.81.31.82 Rating: N/A |
jikki dikkilona baba goru kuda roju idhe setthad..west meedha yedupu... | ||
Moviebuff001 Comedian Username: Moviebuff001 Post Number: 1222 Registered: 06-2013 Posted From: 208.92.228.62 Rating: N/A |
Chuss..... inta podugu blog... Main point ento ardam avvatledu. Evaranna light veyyandi please. Naku ardam ayyindi moodu mukkallo: 1. Puranalu, vedalu light teesukondi. Do not bask in their glory. 2. Eliminate caste system so that a new homogeneous non caste centric population can form. 3. This homogenized generation will create a social system that is not based on caste or color!! Intena? | ||
Stellar Side Hero Username: Stellar Post Number: 3605 Registered: 02-2016 Posted From: 24.44.8.218 Rating: N/A |
pushpak vimanam,radio and laptop/ipad in mayabazar ee kovaloki vastayi  | ||
Farmer Side Hero Username: Farmer Post Number: 3530 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 162.252.85.172 Rating: |
eee astra shastras etc matram bhale comedy le....evadu edhi kanipettinaa...osoossss inthenaa....maa phalana puranam lo phalana sastry goru aaa rojulloneyyyy...yehaa...yehaaa...ani modhaledatharu...aaaa pusthakallo raasindhi motham believe chese batch....verbatim...lol ivi elaa vuntaii ante....suppose... for suppose...2000 yrs from now nijamgaa time travel evadanna kanipedithe....osooosss inthenaa....aaaa rojulloneyyyy maa singeetham srinivasarao time machine thayaru chesi balayya babu ni krishna devarayala time ki pampadu....annattu... | ||
Zulu Megastar Username: Zulu Post Number: 28181 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 199.168.243.252 Rating: N/A |
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Farmer Side Hero Username: Farmer Post Number: 3529 Registered: 04-2015 Posted From: 162.252.85.172 Rating: |
well said...kontha mandi thokkalo arguments chesthar....western society lo koodaa class system vundhi kadha ani.....class system even if it exists, is much much better than caste system....u will move up or down the ladder based on your achievements....ippudu vachi puttukatho evadoo bapan avvad...knowledge vuntene...ani sodhi modhalettadhu lol | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 16039 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: N/A |
hey say all this Vedas thing started in 1500 BC and most puranic descriptions are concoctions
Let�s say Brahmins of the past avoided sharing mystical knowledge of mantra, tantra, yantras to all to avoid misuse of such knowledge and power by undeserving people | ||
Whyme Hero Username: Whyme Post Number: 17950 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 171.161.160.10 Rating: N/A |
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Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 16038 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: |
Myself has to go through intense churning to oppose varna system Assume i am a Kamma, as on today i should be very happy to identify with the caste, the group connections, the power, the money and the hype. It would boost my ego, but somewhere there also lies the fear all this will go one day. So this is a superficial superstructure but because this structure is built from birth the foundation is deep without substance, people have to suffer with this extra fear of losing in the castes that enjoy power, for castes that are subordinated it’s a struggle for respect and power. So this whole system creates a complete mess with unnecessary fear and negativity. Remove the concept of birth based varna or caste everybody in the system have stakes in everything, though in practice many may well follow the professions of their parents others would have no reasons to complain. It makes the system more cohesive and integrated Let’s give all the benefit of doubt to birth based varna and see from the perspective of traditional hindu explanation about Hindu past. The western scholarship would not recognize any mystical dimensions to hindu past, they say all this Vedas thing started in 1500 BC and most prank descriptions are concoctions, but let’s assume the descriptions of Hindu literature are 100% true and think in a sympathetic way Hindu culture had glorious past from immemorial times and there should be some strong reason to varna on the basis of birth in the past though it might seem discriminatory today. Let’s say Brahmins of the past avoided sharing mystical knowledge of mantra, tantra, yantras to all to avoid misuse of such knowledge and power by deserving people and they only shared with responsible rulers, may be Drona rejection of Ekalavya could be defended through this argument Also let’s also assume that this mystical knowledge or power can only be acquired if practiced at a very early age with discipline under very specific conditions, guidance or pedigree. So it’s almost impractical or even others by birth into different situations are not qualified for such special knowledge. But where is that knowledge today or in past 2,000-3,000 years. If the knowledge of those astra shastras existed since last 300o years nobody would have dared to attack Bharata varsha So it’s clear that the descriptions in the literature doesn’t match the reality and the present practices are poor relics assuming there was a glorious varna past So varna system even from a sympathetic view can’t stand up to the today’s reality of a capitalistic existence powered by science and technology people like me are for knowledge, we are not satisfied by western knowledge, the world is a mystery and whoever provides clues to that mystery and also support some level of material prosperity would get our support. If varna practices show some utility to people today like the claims in the puranic literature, something like getting rains through yagnas or tapas, not just sudras in India but mletchas outside India would appreciate such divine brilliant practices. They would also encourage birth based varna system if such divine methods need birth based varna system. But the reality of today is completely different and the current negative reactions on varna system are based on today’s reality As of today Varna system is absurd even with a very sympathetic view point, removing it makes life much more simple in today’s world Those who want it should demonstrate its utility for others to accept, they should explore the practices and see if anything can be demonstrated, but the reality is they are leaving it in droves for a new framework. I don’t hate any caste. I want Indian society to go for knowledge for a new beginning | ||
Vjavasi Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 16037 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.29.163.248 Rating: |
Just wanted to wrap up these arguments and never ending long discussion on varna or caste from my side my post yesterday Kamma, Reddy, Velama, Kapu or any kind of political power based on caste solidarity is transitory may be 10, 15, 20 100, 200, or at the most 300 years if you looks at trends of political power in history even under Monarchs, Emperors and empires But monopoly on knowledge, language, is like holding the keys to the whole civilization Don’t know how the whole varna thing started, may be it was very flexible at the beginning or may be it started as a monopoly of one tribe with insistence on segregation and purity But for the last few thousand years the keys to the civilization in India were owned by a group that passed them as hereditary property and since they had the exclusive monopoly on knowledge, which is the real power of a civilization, the whole system including political power had to follow the framework monopolized by the group In the past i was under the impression that because of logistical reasons the hereditary varna system is a natural socio-economic evolution, but history of China, as big and as close as a civilization like India, which believed in harmony in existence proved me wrong. For the last 1000years Imperial China conducted entrance examinations to recruit it’s top bureaucracy from all sections of the population. Everybody, irrespective had a chance to rise according to his talent in the realm of knowledge. of course, political power was feudal in China also but as i said political power can’t be permanent with any single group. When British came they shook the knowledge foundations of Indian civilization, The group that owned the keys itself abandoned them progressively in favor of European knowledge. Now since the group no longer is the only source of knowledge, they lost the monopoly and questions are being raised by others about the whole Indian civilization paradigm monopolized for millennia by the group. Raising questions on the paradigm doesn’t mean hatred towards a group. It’s natural churning within Indian civilization stimulated by new exposure, new ideas from outside. The group that had keys for Indian civilization itself abandoned them in pursuit of new framework and ideas from Europe. There could very well be many valid reasons for the way the civilizational paradigm in India evolved, may be varna was necessary and hereditary grooming was the best method to maintain balance or for some other higher esoteric or spiritual reasons, but as of today since the group that held civilizational reins itself succumbed and not in a position to defend the utility of the past practices, it’s natural that other will question the whole framework, particularly when they see an alternative being practiced successfully. The interesting thing is the neo-right in India want western economics which is actually the new framework from west but also want to cherish consciously or subconsciously the privileges of the past based on a different socio-economic framework This churning In Indian civilization is good and ultimately it would lead to restoration of values that are really permanent and rejection of accumulated chaff. After losing the knowledge battle to europeans the group tried to transmigrate the monopoly into political process with a mix of European ideas and residual biases from old framework, this is largely the story of Indian politics in the last century. They would like to continue for another century through a different vehicle now, but as said in the beginning, political power is temporary and cannot be permanent for any group. This is the crux of current socio-economic and political struggles in Indian society. Anybody who sees this or questions this transmigration would have to deal with the assault from residual biases of old framework. What Indian civilization needs is a new knowledge framework, the civilization may end up completely adopting European framework or may eventually challenge it with its own, but in either case the old framework in the rigid form it existed in the last few millennia, which actually progressively weakened Indian civilization have to be replaced or substantially changed which is a phenomenon in progress. The future has to see a new level of homogenization of Indian society and a new renaissance that would be a natural fallout of such homogenization |
