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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 02:33 pm:       


Tilak:

alanti characters trap lo amayakulu padarani .




chaduvukunna vaadi kante rajakudu mElu ani.. don't worry. only so called medhavulu and some SICKlarists only will follow that character. nijangaa amayakudiki anta pedda book chadive teerika/opika/istam unDav. eekalu peeke medhavulake aa ibbandi :D:D:D

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 02:21 pm:       


Cinejeevi:

konni characters r not even worth mentioning.


Ante expose chesthe .. alanti characters trap lo amayakulu padarani .. :-)

Tilak:

father's domination over sons, elder brother's domination over younger brother


baaga mental ekkesi undali ila aalochinchali ante .. LOL
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 02:17 pm:       


Tilak:




aavida gurinchi telsukuni emi chestav cheppu?? :D:D dani badulu valmiki slokam okati chaduvuko chaalu :-):-)

konni characters r not even worth mentioning.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 01:58 pm:       


Last_avataar:

These kinds of people are physically starved of human needs and think everything under the same lens



Andhrawala:

Her marriage was a traditionally arranged marriage. Due to contradictions, she left the first marriage after 12 years (1958-1970).



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Ranganayakamma's critical review of six famous critics of Ramayana (except one all in Telugu) and shortcomings in their approaches. The last chapter (Why should we reject the culture of Ramayana?) emphasizes that we should reject Ramayana because it supports rulers against the 'ruled', the rich against the poor, the upper castes against lower castes, the civilized non-tribal communities against primitive tribal communities, male chauvinism against women, father's domination over sons, elder brother's domination over younger brother and so on. Ranganayakamma observes that Ramayana is a symbol of feudal culture in India.


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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 01:45 pm:       


Tilak:

asalu eevida gurinchi cheppandi .. eevida background enti? was she married? is she alive now? did she have a happy marriage?




Langanayakamma is aetheist -non believer of God


Her marriage was a traditionally arranged marriage. Due to contradictions, she left the first marriage after 12 years (1958-1970).




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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 01:36 pm:       


Tilak:

asalu eevida gurinchi cheppandi




One of the Psuedo Communist Batch, who takes proud in criticizing Hindu Epics but has no courage to take other religion issues

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 01:24 pm:       


Cinejeevi:

dharma always varies depending on position and situation


good post annai .. 5 stars ..

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ranaganayakamma



Cinejeevi:

DongaNayakamma


asalu eevida gurinchi cheppandi .. eevida background enti? was she married? is she alive now? did she have a happy marriage? who is/was her husband? what about children .. any idea? why did she have such a bitter hand and mind? what was her problem? koddiga length ekkuvaina parledu .. mee lanti knowledgeable people milk share cheyyali maa generation ki ..
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 01:15 pm:       

Darth_vader
crux of my question is why different yeardsticks for Sits & Urmila}

there were never different. It was interpretation problem.

rama strictly warned sita about coming with him. there are at least one or two full sargas (i am not reached there yet) in ayodhyakanda about it. after that rama accepts sita to follow him. For lakshmana he did not say a single word. WHy?? if you got this doubt, listen to chaganti's explanation on this point. serving his older brother (with whom he is always there since childhood) was of larger priority for lakshmana at that time. (dharma always varies depending on position and situation).

when dasaradha asks him to stop the chariot, rama tells sumantra to go ahead. when sumanta asks what should i tell the king?? rama syas -- tell him that I could not listen in the sound of chariot wheels. so now rama became asatyavaadi?? to protect his father's word saying something like did not harm the dharma.

so it's very complex situation to understand but for sure worth reading the original and whenever there is a doubt get it clarified from available sources (knowledgable persons who explained it like chaganti, sribhashyam, samavedam)

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 01:06 pm:       


Darth_vader:

crux of my question is why different yeardsticks for Sits & Urmila


we are not even judging Sita and Urmila in these situations .. they are not the prime characters in that scene .. here in that antahpuram of Ayodhya .. on that day .. the main issue was whether Dasaratha should break his word or should Rama honor his father and go to forests .. anthe .. on that very day .. rest of the issues are not that important .. even for those very actors Sita/Urmila .. they are only part of sub-plots .. so no need to judge them there and waste yardsticks anedi naa point of view ..
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 01:05 pm:       


Darth_vader:

Don't know which women would pick palace & luxuries over spending the better part of life with husband.




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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 12:59 pm:       

four brother lived for about 11,000 years (give n take as per Valmiki ramayana).

when Lakshmana wanted to Serve Rama and Sita (whom he treats/treated like father and mother) in forest then he (lakshmana) restrained urmila not to come to forest. His point was I will be busy in serving and taking care of rama and sita and my attention might deviate if you accompany me. Listening to it urmila backed out.

remember the age of brothers was about 16 and the sisters was about 12. They lived in ayodhya for about 12 years before hitting forests. by the time brothers were about 42/43 everyone is happily living together under rama's leadership to live for about 11,000 years (minus this 43).

In such a span the seperation part is very minute.

dharma always keep on changing while Satyam remains same. Same person if position is shifted has to follow that dharma. So it's not as easy as typed.

If someone wants to really know why it happened like that then please read valmiki slokas with meanings and think why it was done like that and next check with some knowledgeable persons before venting out.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 12:51 pm:       


Thikka_sankara:


Suffering lo magnitudes mana perceptions batti degrees isthe how andi?
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 12:43 pm:       


Darth_vader:

urmila how is that tough to comprehend?


urmila suffer avvaledani anatledu kada...just that magnitude differs.... Assalu akkada suffer avvani vallu evaru aaa situation lo?? Rama Sita lakshmana obviously suffered, so did urmila.... Koduku dooramayyi dasarathudu praname vidichesaadu ...koduku bhartha iddaru oke sari dooramayyi kausalya devi suffer aindi.... Raajyam kosame idantha cheyinchaadu Anna apavadu raakudadu ani 2
14 yrs bharathudu paadukalu netthi meeda pettukuni tirigaadu....ila okari korika valla andaru suffer ayyaru....just that magnitude differs....
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 12:35 pm:       

LOTR lo frodo gets to go to after life not his buddy Sam.. Although Sam loyalty and his commitment towards his friend, to go to any extent, are great virtues in itself but the burden frodo carries is greater in a comaparative sense..similar analogy eskovachu Ram vs Lakshmn and thier wives ki..
 

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 12:33 pm:       


Tilak:

hope we are not picking holes by pidi vaadam .. Adavullo/Aranyallo .. vaddu ani .. Ramude Sita ni vaarinchadu .. still she followed .. Anna/Vadinalni seva chesukunta ani Lakshmanudu bayalu deradu .. leaving his wife Urmila, who also wanted to follow him, in safe environs of palace. Hope we are not accusing him on frivolous grounds, saying he denied her a chance to suffer along.


crux of my question is why different yeardsticks for Sits & Urmila. When Sita could follow her husband inspire of his misgiving then why for her sister?
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 12:29 pm:       


Darth_vader:

serving husband is also penance which was denied to urmila


I hope we are not picking holes by pidi vaadam .. Adavullo/Aranyallo .. vaddu ani .. Ramude Sita ni vaarinchadu .. still she followed .. Anna/Vadinalni seva chesukunta ani Lakshmanudu bayalu deradu .. leaving his wife Urmila, who also wanted to follow him, in safe environs of palace. Hope we are not accusing him on frivolous grounds, saying he denied her a chance to suffer along.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 12:23 pm:       


Tilak:

Actually, in Ramayana .. Lakshmana clearly says .. seva to Rama is a tapasya .. same vishayam Hanuman reiterates at a later point of time ..


serving husband is also penance which was denied to urmila how is that tough to comprehend?

Thikka_sankara:

s a penance... he took a vow to serve his brother through out.... anyway... war and penance ani two examples ichaa.... not saying only two... just saying that those times, these sort of things where husband goes off leaving family back was not uncommon.....


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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 12:17 pm:       


Thikka_sankara:

appatlo dravidians married husbands kaaliki mettelu pettukunevallata... but aaryans lo ledata... surpanaka north Indian tour kochi ramudi ni choosindi ta and ventane kallu check chesindita... aryans ki mettela sense ledu kada soo mettelu levu ani she thought Rama was not married ata... anduku marriage chesuko mani approach aindata....


ok ok ok .. akkadi daka ok .. mari Ramudu clear ga cheppadu ga .. I am married .. here is my wife Sita ani .. appudu attempt to murder .. why? rakshasa jaathi .. burralu dobbay ..
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 12:16 pm:       


Darth_vader:

laxman neither went for penance


it was a penance... he took a vow to serve his brother through out.... anyway... war and penance ani two examples ichaa.... not saying only two... just saying that those times, these sort of things where husband goes off leaving family back was not uncommon.....
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Darth_vader:

off course nothing is set in stone but consistency vundali kada in how we judge.


how? different situations .. different yard sticks .. ade kada beauty of Hinduism ..

Darth_vader:

laxman neither went for penance or war to agree with your point bro.


Actually, in Ramayana .. Lakshmana clearly says .. seva to Rama is a tapasya .. same vishayam Hanuman reiterates at a later point of time ..
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 12:15 pm:       


Rajusk:


Gautam Buddha sesindi kooda ade kada..ayanani prasninchara


fascinating character ayanadi kuda. We can question him too repu thread eyyandi we can dissect his life too.
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Tilak:

denemma ... ee agenda fellows


keka arguments chesaad le... appatlo dravidians married husbands kaaliki mettelu pettukunevallata... but aaryans lo ledata... surpanaka north Indian tour kochi ramudi ni choosindi ta and ventane kallu check chesindita... aryans ki mettela sense ledu kada soo mettelu levu ani she thought Rama was not married ata... anduku marriage chesuko mani approach aindata.... vaadu chepthonteeeee
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 12:12 pm:       


Tilak:

Atha/Mama la ki seva cheyyadam dharmam kaada? Urmila kuda dharmam ga ne pravartinchindi kada ..


at ha/mama sevalu cheyyataniki bharatha & shatruguna wifes kuda vunnaru le

Thikka_sankara:

war is not different... cheppa kadaa... war, tapassu ila konni exceptions untai... vaatiki velle vallu.... nuvvu different anochu... but idi kooda oka tapassu lantide... tapassu la start ayyi war la end ayindi ( )..... so, it was not that different anedi naa point.... Sita was abducted by demons.... kept in captivity hounding by demons.... Ravanasurudu Sita daggaraki osthe elaa untundi vaadi theeru ani chaganti explanation chala baga istaaru.... Sita lanka lo suffer avvaledu ani vaadisthe I quit.... anyway, thats my take....


laxman neither went for penance or war to agree with your point bro.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 12:08 pm:       

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Darth_vader:

ekkada radu



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Only valmiki ramayanam follow avitharu ante Urmila ni actual ga abuse chestharu



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Darth_vader:

Manishiki konni dharmalu vunnay avi patinchali dantlo Ashramas prakaram grihista stage lo em cheyyai?




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Thikka_sankara:

his point: surpanaka was a dravidian lady who was abused unnecessarily by Rama and Lakshmana.... vaadi opening line idi




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Tilak:

ee "set in stone" theories ki authenticity em ledu bhayya Hindu philosophy lo .. oka situation .. set of actors .. dharmic reactions .. anthe

Lakshmi Devi .. Vaikuntam lo Vishnu Murthy ni vadilesi vachi .. Bhoomi meedaki vachi untundi .. adi correct aa? tappa? Vishnu Murthy ki anyayam ani judge chestava?


off course nothing is set in stone but consistency vundali kada in how we judge.

Inga Lakshmi Devi antava loka kalyanam kosam chesindhi but Urmila staying back or not would have mattered in the larger scheme of things kada.
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Darth_vader:

war is different annay. Manishiki konni dharmalu vunnay avi patinchali dantlo Ashramas prakaram grihista stage lo em cheyyai?


war is not different... cheppa kadaa... war, tapassu ila konni exceptions untai... vaatiki velle vallu.... nuvvu different anochu... but idi kooda oka tapassu lantide... tapassu la start ayyi war la end ayindi ( :D )..... so, it was not that different anedi naa point.... Sita was abducted by demons.... kept in captivity hounding by demons.... Ravanasurudu Sita daggaraki osthe elaa untundi vaadi theeru ani chaganti explanation chala baga istaaru.... Sita lanka lo suffer avvaledu ani vaadisthe I quit.... anyway, thats my take....
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Darth_vader:

ekkada radu but theme prakaram andharu valla dharmalu patisthunte Urmila is denied that chance,no?


Atha/Mama la ki seva cheyyadam dharmam kaada? Urmila kuda dharmam ga ne pravartinchindi kada ..
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Thikka_sankara:

surpanaka was a dravidian lady who was abused unnecessarily by Rama and Lakshmana....


denemma ... ee agenda fellows .. freedom of speech ni baga abuse chesaru .. chass ..
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Thikka_sankara:

idi ekkada ostundi (question)??


ekkada radu but theme prakaram andharu valla dharmalu patisthunte Urmila is denied that chance,no?
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Getafix:

damil version ante pithamagan range harsh ga untayemo


oka saari ilage discussion jaruguthondi maa tamil friend tho... vaadu chinappudu tamil version vinnadi base chesukuni argue chestunnadu.... his point: surpanaka was a dravidian lady who was abused unnecessarily by Rama and Lakshmana.... vaadi opening line idi

surpanaka north Indian tour ki ochindi.... and ani inkedo cheppabothunnadu

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 12:01 pm:       

tilak, darth vader iddaru gtalk lo chesukovachu kada mee iddariki ee topic la padadhu kada
 

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Darth_vader:

because wife follows husband


ee "set in stone" theories ki authenticity em ledu bhayya Hindu philosophy lo .. oka situation .. set of actors .. dharmic reactions .. anthe

Lakshmi Devi .. Vaikuntam lo Vishnu Murthy ni vadilesi vachi .. Bhoomi meedaki vachi untundi .. adi correct aa? tappa? Vishnu Murthy ki anyayam ani judge chestava?
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 12:00 pm:       


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war is different annay. Manishiki konni dharmalu vunnay avi patinchali dantlo Ashramas prakaram grihista stage lo em cheyyai?
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:59 am:       


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damil versions




vammov.. damil version ante pithamagan range harsh ga untayemo..or Karuna style lo.. ramudu is twin of ravanasura ani untayemo..
 

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Darth_vader:

Only valmiki ramayanam follow avitharu ante Urmila ni actual ga abuse chestharu because she didn't follow her husband ani because wife follows husband


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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:56 am:       


Getafix:

inni ganam ramayanalu unnaya.. OMG.


We have not touched upon the damil versions yet appudu actual bloodbath vuntadi.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:54 am:       


Getafix:

ade hinduism ante - different trees altogether.


yess yess..
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:53 am:       


Thikka_sankara:

valmiki ramayana lo eee maya sita concept ledu


Saab kuch chalta to make your point. Pick and chose what makes your argument better. Only valmiki ramayanam follow avitharu ante Urmila ni actual ga abuse chestharu because she didn't follow her husband ani because wife follows husband.;)
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:52 am:       


Getafix:


ade hinduism ante - different trees altogether.


in a way true... couple of times ide db lo post chesa... the hinduism in current form is amalgamation of 5(or 6) different religions.... consolidation jarigindi during adi shankara time.... anyway.... deviating the topic of the thread
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:50 am:       


Getafix:

you sin, you confess and you get forgiveness.. iindulo complexity etundhi?


enduku ledu? we sin in action .. confess in word and get forgiveness from some ulfa in word .. endi "jarigina nashtam/jaragalsina nyayam" ekkada? (read in peddarayudu lines) .. :D
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:50 am:       


Cinejeevi:

Out of 10,000 plus years lakshmana lived he was always with her in the Fort along with Sri Rama





Is this true that he lived for 10000 plus years?
If that's the case, balyam, yavvanam etc.. phases are not proportionate to the life time during that time?
16/18 years ke pelli ante less than 1% of heir life ke balyam ayipoyi marriage ante doesn't add up.
 

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:49 am:       


Sukumarudu:

enni christianities unnayo telusa.. 10 paine unnayi naku telisi??




they came from same tree annai.

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:48 am:       


Tilak:

simple ekkada?




simple kaada?

you sin, you confess and you get forgiveness.. iindulo complexity etundhi?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:46 am:       


Getafix:

inni ganam ramayanalu unnaya.. OMG.


to each his own ani.... basicga valmiki ramayana is the first and foremost... either you take it as a work of fiction or not..... remaining everything else was their own interpretations of different authors, some are documentations of the folklore stories etc etc....
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Getafix:

anduke christianity and islam numbers increasing...they keep religion simple ya.


simple ekkada? complex assignments icharu ga followers ki .. that the entire world should be one religion to be one ummah/utopia .. in the process .. that will destroy the world ani telisi kuda ..
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:44 am:       


Getafix:

they keep religion simple ya.


eti simple??

enni christianities unnayo telusa.. 10 paine unnayi naku telisi??
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:43 am:       

inni ganam ramayanalu unnaya.. OMG.

anduke christianity and islam numbers increasing...they keep religion simple ya.
 

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lol so pelli chesukovatam deniko? He could have spent the rest of his life in servitude of brother kada


think on these lines.... appatlo years together jarige yuddhalaki velle vallu... bharyalani (may be plural too) odiley velle vallu.... so what??? appati rojuna it was not a big deal.... inkaa yuddam kelthe tirigosthado raado theliyadu... ikkada 14yrs vanavaasam tarvatha osthaadu ani telusu kaneesam
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:40 am:       


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Maya sita AAA kastalu anni padindhi real Sita takes refugee with Agni deva.


valmiki ramayana lo eee maya sita concept ledu
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:39 am:       


Darth_vader:

pelli chesukovatam deniko?


pelli chesukunte .. kongu pattukuni tiragala?

Darth_vader:

He could have spent the rest of his life in servitude of brother kada


Why should not he do that after he is married? What stops him from doing that? Andaru life lo oke laga undalani to the T .. cheppadam pointless anukuntunna .. oka broadframe work ichi vadilestundi Hindu philosophy naa understanding lo .. as long as one doesnt violate that framework .. he/she is not adharmic ..
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:37 am:       


Saint:


boring em kadu bagane vuntadi read it once to broaden your understanding of the epic.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:37 am:       


Saint:

ok lite tesukudnam ani decide ayya...DB lo past threads 2 chadiva ...pitcha boring books ani decide chesaru!


boring emundi .. oka generation lo .. oka set of people .. aa agenda books tho edo peekeddam anukunnaru .. in a way .. they partially succeeded by selling number of books and making money .. in a way they failed horribly .. by not being able to make any remarkable impact on the way people think and understand Ramayana ..
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:36 am:       


Tilak:

. Why is service to beloved brother not more important in the same scale as love towards wife?


lol so pelli chesukovatam deniko? He could have spent the rest of his life in servitude of brother kada
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:34 am:       

ok lite tesukudnam ani decide ayya...DB lo past threads 2 chadiva ...pitcha boring books ani decide chesaru!
 

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:32 am:       


Cinejeevi:


This is the exact reason I did not wanted to prolong the discussion. Read Sundara kaanda or if your time permits at least listen. okadu kaamamtO oka aaDadaanni ettukochchi (balavantagaa anubhaviste potadu anna Sapam undi), oka chettu kinda (simsupaa vruksam - reason being it will not deteriorate ladies health during their normal breaks etc.,) koosobetti, roju poddunne vachchi naato sukhinchu ani vaagutoo unTam, nee drushtilo sukham anTE.. frankly speaking god bless that mentality.


Maya sita AAA kastalu anni padindhi real Sita takes refugee with Agni deva. :-O

Thikka_sankara:

sooo tappasu chesukodaniki vellina rajulandari wifes rejection ki guri ainatta???


laxman is equivalent to other rajulu ante yes even they didn't follow dharma.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:29 am:       


Darth_vader:

His darma is towards wife than brother by logic.


Interesting thought process. Why is service to beloved brother not more important in the same scale as love towards wife?

Thikka_sankara:

sooo tappasu chesukodaniki vellina rajulandari wifes rejection ki guri ainatta???


Good question.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:28 am:       


Cinejeevi:

what else do you expect? Out of 10,000 plus years lakshmana lived he was always with her in the Fort along with Sri Rama. Only for 14 years he went to Forest. It's like someone in modern age leaving his newly married wife and going to US and sending papers after settling down in like 6 months or so.


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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:24 am:       

sorry..its ramayana vishavruksham
 

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:24 am:       


Darth_vader:

Mari kaka emanali nuvvu cheppu poni. His darma is towards wife than brother by logic.


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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:24 am:       


Darth_vader:

Sita had a pretty comfortable life even in Lanka except that she was kidnapped so can we say that even her suffering was not great because even her story has a happy ending.




This is the exact reason I did not wanted to prolong the discussion. Read Sundara kaanda or if your time permits at least listen. okadu kaamamtO oka aaDadaanni ettukochchi (balavantagaa anubhaviste potadu anna Sapam undi), oka chettu kinda (simsupaa vruksam - reason being it will not deteriorate ladies health during their normal breaks etc.,) koosobetti, roju poddunne vachchi naato sukhinchu ani vaagutoo unTam, nee drushtilo sukham anTE.. frankly speaking god bless that mentality.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:23 am:       

I want ramayana kalpa vruksham...enduku intha hype create chesaroo chadivi telusu kovali anukuntunna
 

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:22 am:       


Tilak:

alternative view ni rejection antunnava?


Mari kaka emanali nuvvu cheppu poni. His darma is towards wife than brother by logic.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:20 am:       


Darth_vader:

Rejection from husband


alternative view ni rejection antunnava? :-)
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:20 am:       


Darth_vader:

Sita had a pretty comfortable life even in Lanka



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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:19 am:       


Thikka_sankara:

bhartha ni vidichi undadam ane point correctey kaani migilina valla kastam tho polisthe it may not be as comparable.... as I said earlier, she was well within the royal comforts, sleeping or otherwise..... anyway, thats just my view


Rejection from husband kante em ekkuva kastaam vayya in that period?
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:18 am:       


Cinejeevi:


what else do you expect? Out of 10,000 plus years lakshmana lived he was always with her in the Fort along with Sri Rama. Only for 14 years he went to Forest. It's like someone in modern age leaving his newly married wife and going to US and sending papers after settling down in like 6 months or so.


Sita had a pretty comfortable life even in Lanka except that she was kidnapped so can we say that even her suffering was not great because even her story has a happy ending.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:12 am:       


Darth_vader:

thread divert aytindi thread initial post lo my question


bhartha ni vidichi undadam ane point correctey kaani migilina valla kastam tho polisthe it may not be as comparable.... as I said earlier, she was well within the royal comforts, sleeping or otherwise..... anyway, thats just my view
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:10 am:       


Darth_vader:

Darth_vader:
Why Urmilas' sacrifice not talked in the same vein as other such ideal wives? Does Urmila Devi Nidra do her disservice?




what else do you expect? Out of 10,000 plus years lakshmana lived he was always with her in the Fort along with Sri Rama. Only for 14 years he went to Forest. It's like someone in modern age leaving his newly married wife and going to US and sending papers after settling down in like 6 months or so.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:09 am:       


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alternate voices ni ala teesi paresthe ela your honour? You should debate and take good from everywhere.




anduke gaa reply ichchaa.. and will stop replying further :D:D:D

Note: there is a saying in french or somewhere "moorkhuDitO (ikkada aaviDa ) vaadinchaku.. janalaki evaru moorkhuDO telidu". So based on that I cannot comment/discuss on stuff that is written by a person whose sole agenda is nothing but throwing MUD on sanatana dharma and epics. Only good about the whole episode of her book was, aa peru cheppi rama namam manasulo anukundi, raasukuni.. ponile moksham pondutundi.. this is the quote by Sri Viswanadha when someone asked him about the book that came out which came after Ramayana Kalpa Vruksham.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:07 am:       


Thikka_sankara:

appatlo idi pedda vishayam kaadu anukunta... tapassu ku vellina raajulandaru (for getting something), family ni odilesi vellina vaalle kadaa.... I think aaa roju circumstances lo choosthe


thread divert aytindi thread initial post lo my question

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Why Urmilas' sacrifice not talked in the same vein as other such ideal wives? Does Urmila Devi Nidra do her disservice?



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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:04 am:       


Darth_vader:

with no companionship. Husband leaving to serve brother. Don't know which women would pick palace & luxuries over spending the better part of life with husband.



Thikka_sankara:

appatlo idi pedda vishayam kaadu anukunta... tapassu ku vellina raajulandaru (for getting something), family ni odilesi vellina vaalle kadaa.... I think aaa roju circumstances lo choosthe



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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:03 am:       


Thikka_sankara:

in palace.... as almost a queen with royal treatment??


with no companionship. Husband leaving to serve brother. Don't know which women would pick palace & luxuries over spending the better part of life with husband.
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Darth_vader:

For no fault of her, husband goes away leaving her in Ayodhya.


appatlo idi pedda vishayam kaadu anukunta... tapassu ku vellina raajulandaru (for getting something), family ni odilesi vellina vaalle kadaa.... I think aaa roju circumstances lo choosthe
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 11:01 am:       


Cinejeevi:

Now I got it. If the thread initiator is referring from DongaNayakamma's writings/preaching then I am out. naa time bokka.


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For no fault of her, husband goes away leaving her in Ayodhya.


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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:59 am:       


Darth_vader:


as a women aa yuga dharma like following her husband cheyyaledu ani oka chadastapu sastry ji dobbul ettadu ..
 

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:58 am:       


Cinejeevi:


ledu antale nenuspecific ga adiga kada?
anyways it is view why should one get offended with such a view ?
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:58 am:       


Raman:

reddit uncle ramayana visha vriksham lo ranaganayakamma gave great importance to urmila oka bonded labor wife lekka communist philosophy set sesindi


if nidra deva story is kalpithaam more or less that is true kada unkle. For no fault of her, husband goes away leaving her in Ayodhya.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:57 am:       

janallo sensibilities chachipothunnayemo anipisthundi appudappudu
 

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:56 am:       

Now I got it. If the thread initiator is referring from DongaNayakamma's writings/preaching then I am out. naa time bokka.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:54 am:       


Darth_vader:

valmiki ramayanam lo urmila gurinchi pedhaga vundadu as far as I remember so nidra deva stories anni taruvatha add chesaru antara?




yepp. i quoted the vidyas ViSwamitra gave to Rama and Lakshman. So even if lakshmana did not slept for whole 14 years that should be attributed to the vidyas given by Viswamitra anna inference maatrame undi Valmiki Ramayanam lO. :-):-)
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:53 am:       


Siloan:


karnas' wife was the authors previous book. Manchi topics paina writing.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:53 am:       

enachi talaiva?

reddit uncle ramayana visha vriksham lo ranaganayakamma gave great importance to urmila oka bonded labor wife lekka communist philosophy set sesindi
adi emanna chadivavemo ani adiga
what did dma say?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:52 am:       


Thikka_sankara:

em jarigindi.... thread lo


emo naku bhi telvaad.

Junior_no1:



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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:48 am:       

em jarigindi.... thread lo
keka link:

fikileaks,
 

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:46 am:       


Darth_vader:

Sitas' sister?



yes
 

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:46 am:       


Darth_vader:

Why Urmilas' sacrifice not talked in the same vein as other such ideal wives? Does Urmila Devi Nidra do her disservice?


if cbn is sita then nbk is urmila,loka kalyanam kosam nbk cm padavi sacrifice seyyaleda u r honor
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:44 am:       


Cinejeevi:


valmiki ramayanam lo urmila gurinchi pedhaga vundadu as far as I remember so nidra deva stories anni taruvatha add chesaru antara?


Film_fan:


Sitas' sister?
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:40 am:       

Author story ala rasadu. daniki manam emi chestham?
http://bit.ly/1v1kxSu
 

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:35 am:       

Where's DMA comment? Where's mine asking for a ban? Is he banned? Or something else happened??
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:14 am:       

whats the controversy....

monna India trip lo Urmila book konna.....inka chadavaledhu.....
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:10 am:       


Tilak:

If you are an atheist .. I understand that religion is something you dont like. Totally your decision. But please dont piss on every religion thread you come across. Thats totally sub-canine in nature. Just keep off threads, you dont like and cant maintain civility.


i aggree with you , worst comment by DMA,
 

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 10:07 am:       

Chi .. konni konni topics meeda neat ga discuss cheyyaleni paristhithi DB lo .. due to nasty comments and people ..

If you are an atheist .. I understand that religion is something you dont like. Totally your decision. But please dont piss on every religion thread you come across. Thats totally sub-canine in nature. Just keep off threads, you dont like and cant maintain civility.
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 09:41 am:       


Dma:


Shame on your rotten mind ..
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 09:30 am:       


~chirutha~:

Behind every man with sleepless nights, there is a happily dozing woman




Chusaa..:-)
ee desa charitra choosina emunnadi garva karanam, Nara jaathi charitra samstam , parapeedana parayanatvaM
 

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 09:26 am:       


Blundersucks:

http://devdutt.com/articles/ramayana/lakshmans-wife-goes-to- sleep.html


First comment in the link :D
It is clear example of "Behind every successful man, there is a woman" or you can say "Behind every man with sleepless nights, there is a happily dozing woman"
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 09:17 am:       

I don't think in valmiki ramayana it was every mentioned about urmila's sleep for 14 years.

in balakanDa if you read/listened guru Viswamitra gives bala, ati bala vidyas to Rama (which makes one not to sleep for many days (probably years) and still be active. Once given to Rama means, Rama taught them to Lakshman (inference).

in AyodhyakanDa, Lakshman tells Guha (when guha asks him to sleep, where Rama and sita were sleeping under the tree) how can I get sleep by seeing at Rama like this.

My guess: based on the above probably some people might have created some scenes/stories. As long as they are not harming the character/seelam of the persons/characters in Ramayana it should be OK. It is like guha telling rama please let me wash your feet before you enter the boat (a beautiful yet harmless imagination)
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 09:16 am:       

http://devdutt.com/articles/ramayana/lakshmans-wife-goes-to- sleep.html
ee desa charitra choosina emunnadi garva karanam, Nara jaathi charitra samstam , parapeedana parayanatvaM
 

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 09:13 am:       


Raman:

ramayana vishavruksham chadivava?


akkada clarity ledu unkle some say she prayed to nidra deva to take away sleep from her husband while some say she asks nidra deva to grant her boon smuch that she only gets up after laxman sets his foot back in Ayodhya. So service to parents how if she slept for 14 years?
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 09:05 am:       

Urmila's sacrifices are amazing too ..

Her husband Lakshmana doesnt even think of her, when he commits himself to the service of Rama and Sita in forest. And when she comes to know his decision and when she offers to join him in serving them both, he says - Sorry, I want to serve them uninterrupted. So please stay behind in the palace, looking after my mothers and father.

Ramayana is an amazing epic, so many sacrifices, so many point of views, so many great selfless characters ..
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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 08:56 am:       


Darth_vader:

not


ramayana vishavruksham chadivava?
 

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Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 08:55 am:       

Between sisters who do you think suffered more? Why Urmilas' sacrifice not talked in the same vein as other such ideal wives? Does Urmila Devi Nidra do her disservice?
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