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So who's winning the fan wars - Karna or Arjuna

The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim
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Entha own pulihora kaluputunnaru Rao Garu, mee karnudu elagayina perfect ani cheppataniki

Bheesma only terms Karna as Artha Radhi
Karna gets agitated andvows that he won't participate until Bheeshma falls

No one stopped him. Inka ee joke ki navvadam kastam
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Who stopped karna from participating even if Bheeshma insults. It is his choice not Arjun's




bhishma stoped karna to participate in the war..as bhishma was commander of the army..so every one has to listen..
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Netra:




Height is without even a single victory or public service (except daana guna)
Karna is branded as one who can beat Arjun

Where as with all the hardwork, insults, decesive victories Arjun has to play second fiddle and branded as a warrior who cannot do anything without Krishna

What a fun...
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Karna has support from parents. He has no threats for life and insults

Arjuna and other pandavas, lost ther father , spent life as second grade citizens in thier own place, faced lot of threats in Life, earned all the things with sheer dharma and hardwark and dedication.

Never inculted any ladies or diaplyed laki qualities with a pretext that they faced lot of insults
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karnudu chana kastalu padi paiki vachadu ani gurtu pettukuntaru tappa asala childhood ninchi literal ga kastapadindi arjun always deadly games and threats from kaurava clan literal ga 13 years dog bathuku papam ..
evary time they were cheated ..




adhe kadha.. antha aasthi andham and on top of that balam undi kooda eka chakra puram lo bkishatana chesaaru year paatu.. kasttalu paddadhi ante pandavaas.. karnudu emi paddado naaku samaj kaadhi..
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ee thaadu lo inka posts vaddu le.. adhendho arjunudi meedha paapam antha chinna choopu.. no one praises his dedication towards dharma.. krishnudu unnadu antaaru endhukunnadu ane common sense vaadaru..
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karnudu chana kastalu padi paiki vachadu ani gurtu pettukuntaru tappa asala childhood ninchi literal ga kastapadindi arjun always deadly games and threats from kaurava clan literal ga 13 years dog bathuku papam ..
evary time they were cheated ..
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Netra:




Arjun , Bheeshma and Drona were are the 3 Ajeya.. .

all other tasted defeat or death some time or other.
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Reddit:

Can you answer why Arjunas' chariot is blown to pieces on the 18'th day??




18 th day naa.. aswaathaama issue speaking aa nuvvu... karna gone case on 17th kadhaa..

aina endhapp oo paali odinchaadu oo paali baanam iragottadu ani argument, puli bidda abhimanyu karnudini kummesi vadhultaadu and duryodhanudini tharimi kottadu.. he even killed karna and duryodhana sons.. slayudu laantodini paduko pettadu.. inka arjunudu arachakam cheyyali ante unna astras vaadithe chaalu..
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Reddit:

Can you answer why Arjunas' chariot is blown to pieces on the 18'th day??




This is pedda boothu. Arjuna's radha was intact in the war all the time.

Karna chariot was detroyed many times in war. meeru caal convenient ga karna's failures ni coer drive chestaru.

Ok oka vela radham tukku ayipote what a big deal. Fighting chesada leda.
Mari Karundu Tana radha chakaram koorukupote... what happened to his common sens inkoka radha ekki fighting cheyyochu ga.

Reason being Arjun never let him to breath on that day becuase he is determined to kill Karna and Vice versa.

So ivanni picha lite...
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Reddit:

Arujuna fanboy lekka posting chesthunnaru kada 9 days lo oka paali kuda he couldn't defeat bhisma




when bhishma defacted arjuna oo paali sepithe nenu intaa.. war lo arrows tho kottadu ani seppammakandi.. adhi bhagadattudu (Son of naraka) kooda kottadu.. matter when was he defeated??
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he couldn't defeat bhisma




No one can defat Bheeshma and Drona - except people ocassionally overvelmed them by breaking thier bows , radhas ect

One day Arjun fights with Bheeshma in such a way that Bheeshma has no anwer On that day only Durodhan blasts Bheeshma. From next day Bheeshma starts messacre.

Bheesmudi ki Dronidiki lanti vallki Kallaku Namskarichali. They are invincible.
Bheeshma and Drona admits that only Krishna can finish them no one else
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Last_avataar:

Looks at Bheema's victories
Look at Arjun's victories
They were all done when Krishna was not with them...




adhi mana blood lone undhi.. wa are always sympathise who plays senti card.. karna is one of them.. karnudu dhaanam cheseppudu he asks for shakthi and dhaanam pannitaa.. kaani janam karnudu great antaaru.. kaani idhe arjunudu oka brahmin go rakshana kosam aayudham techhukundhaamu ani anna mandhiram loki droupadhi unnappudu ellinandhuku one yr paatu oorla meedha padi tirguthaadu.. evado edhava chesina paniki chethilo sattava undhi anna kosam ekachakra puram lo adukku thintaaru.. malla adhendho janam senti card only on karna varoety gaa.. entha edhava thanam gaa abhimanuyudu ni champaaro drona and karna marsipoyyinattunnaru..
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Yes aa okka roje Karna showed upper hand on Arjun, and overvlems him with Naagastra. 17TH Day chadavandi - Arjun comes back very strong on Karna and that was the real fight where each could not edge over other...

Mari - Drona Parma lo atleast 2 ocassions karna was made helpless atleast 2 ocassions by Arjun... what do say on that.


Can you answer why Arjunas' chariot is blown to pieces on the 18'th day??
We're so quick to point out our own flaws in others.
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Arjunudu thaata ni karnudiki go grahanam appudu with out army padukopettasaadu kadha.. vachhedi vaadu paardhudu antu.. inkendhappa.. Arjuna is the only warrior in whole maha bharatha fought with sivayya and direct dharsanam of lord vishnu..




Well Said Netra. Arjuna is sef made Man like Bheema after Bheema charya made them warriors. They kept on improving themselves as better humans and warriors

14 years vanavasam will make any warrior blunt, look at the way both fought in Mahabharat war.

He is the only blessed Guy who fought with Mahadev and Indra.

Asalu Karnudi Daana Gunam highlight chese mundi , Atani enni leki panu chesedu , that too having a knowledge of good and bad. Thats is what is caused his fall
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Don;t get your versions that Bheeshma defeated Arjuna. No version of Mahabharat said that.


Arujuna fanboy lekka posting chesthunnaru kada 9 days lo oka paali kuda he couldn't defeat bhisma
We're so quick to point out our own flaws in others.
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kakalo kuda oohinchaledu
oka nag vs venky
mahesh vs pk aa range lo high voltage to potondi ..

Most of the people are with karna
finals lo jvaram vachi vodipoina steffi ki supportlaga support meeda support vastondi :-)

oka legend lantidi ee thread :-) thanks to every one who participated

inka nenu rest mng lechi match chudali
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Cinejeevi:

Despite this Karna did not go even after getting Shakti in his hand. Now don't say krishna tilted his mind.




Rightly Said. People conveniently place blame on Krishna for every action of Karu side and try to belittle panadava's efforts in many ocassions

Looks at Bheema's victories
Look at Arjun's victories
They were all done when Krishna was not with them...
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- He knows duryodhana is banking on him and it increases his arrogance and this was leading to further rupture in the relations between cousins
- He knows that with him, drona and karna all in the battlefield it will be all over. Bheeshma is on record saying he will not harm pandavas, so did drona who said he will capture yudhistra and end the war, karna is the only person who was capable of killing Arjuna and the idea was to delay or prevent that from happening. Arjuna himself gets defeated by Bhisma and had to be saved by Krishna and couple of times facing the wrath of Bhisma,krishna himself picks up sudarshana.




thaadantha sadhive opika ledhu kaani.. Karnudi meedha bheeshma thaata ki kopam started when he says bad words on Paanchali devi in Sabha parvam.. sadhavakunte sadhvandi.. worst naa maatalu anni vaagesttadu (maa nellore rail katta kaadi maatalanni).. appatiki arjun and karna war not yet started. so edhavathanam anedhi over the period builiding anna maata.. Karnudi edhava thanam gosha yatra, uttara go grahanam, krishna raayabhaaram appudu bayatapaduddi..

Arjunudu thaata ni karnudiki go grahanam appudu with out army padukopettasaadu kadha.. vachhedi vaadu paardhudu antu.. inkendhappa.. Arjuna is the only warrior in whole maha bharatha fought with sivayya and direct dharsanam of lord vishnu.. Arjunudu ki unnanni astra sastraalu whole karava army thaana levu.. still he prefered dharma yudda.. one single day lo single handed gaa oka akshouhini army ni swargaaniki pampesaadu in dharma yudda.. none achieved it in whole bharatham.. idhe karnudini MR bheema eseyyabothaadu but thammuni kosam vadhilesttadu.. no one denies Karna is great warrior.. but coming to arjuna no way near to him. he followed dharma ala kaakunda if he wants to use Paasupatha sarvam bochhe atu side.. Sakthi undhi anevu karnudi daggara.. adhi only one time pani chesttundhi..

coming to athiratha arjuna qualified to athiratha because atu side 40 (I think so number) athirathas leru kabatti ledhu ante he is qualified for athimaharatha (only 3 in vedic history who achieved this.. 1. Vishnu 2. Maheshwara 3. Brahma)
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Yes aa okka roje Karna showed upper hand on Arjun, and overvlems him with Naagastra. 17TH Day chadavandi - Arjun comes back very strong on Karna and that was the real fight where each could not edge over other...

Mari - Drona Parma lo atleast 2 ocassions karna was made helpless atleast 2 ocassions by Arjun... what do say on that.
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to those who think Arjuna could have been defeated by Karna

Arjuna has a sapath (vow) that if anyone comes and challenges him for a one on one battle he never says NO. he is ready for it.

Despite this Karna did not go even after getting Shakti in his hand. Now don't say krishna tilted his mind.

basically we see lot of karnas in society.. the inferior minds and personalities who are always jealous and find reasons for their failures attributing to something.
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Okahyderabadi:

Arjuna himself gets defeated by Bhisma




Arjuna never lots a battle for your information Sir. He name is Vijay and Ajeya
Arjuna is just overvelmed by Bheeshma on one instance, that when Krishna makes him mentally srong , and on track

Don;t get your versions that Bheeshma defeated Arjuna. No version of Mahabharat said that.

Who stopped karna from participating even if Bheeshma insults. It is his choice not Arjun's
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Avi unna Karnudi ki okka victory record kaaledu paapam.... every time he fumbled before Arjun


16'th day of the war ela end ayyindhi?
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Remember he ran for his life in Uttara go grahana...with all this virtues




ANte bhishma kuda ran for his lifaaa..

mastaru..akkada yuddam jaragaledu..kauravaulu..arjanudu dorikadu..ajnatavasamlo ani haappy mood lo vundi hastinapur vellipoiyaru..to extent aranya yatra and ajnata vasam..
akkada figth chesindi emi ledu..
Karna has won on so many kings in the proces of expanding hastinapoor..
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Okahyderabadi:

Kavacha kundalam is a natural gift for karna and how is it preventing him from becoming a maharathi? Every warrior in Jaya has some




It is like having a Bom proof jacker vs not having. No Astra except Pasupatastra, Bhramhastra kind could have piecered tham

Surya deva sensing the threat has sent his some with natural protection.
Avi unna Karnudi ki okka victory record kaaledu paapam.... every time he fumbled before Arjun
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Yes Eduruga Nilabadi fighting chesi odipoyi, chavu tappi - backstab chesi bow and arrow break chestadu...


tammudu looks like you are very much in favor of Arjuna being the best. Arjuna is no doubt one of the best. There are qualities in each warrir that makes them the best. As given in the other thread in Jaya, there are only 5 Athirathas: Bhishma, Drona, Krishna, Karna and Arjuna.

The reason why Bheeshma insults Karna always is
- He knows duryodhana is banking on him and it increases his arrogance and this was leading to further rupture in the relations between cousins
- He knows that with him, drona and karna all in the battlefield it will be all over. Bheeshma is on record saying he will not harm pandavas, so did drona who said he will capture yudhistra and end the war, karna is the only person who was capable of killing Arjuna and the idea was to delay or prevent that from happening. Arjuna himself gets defeated by Bhisma and had to be saved by Krishna and couple of times facing the wrath of Bhisma,krishna himself picks up sudarshana.
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Karna fans comfortably hide thier hero's failures under the pretext of trecgesry, curses etc... like looser always comes up with some stories




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Meeru Velli drona parvam chaduvukondi. Padmayuham lo emi jarigindi baaga telustundi

No one allows any one in Padma vyuha. We need to defeat warriors at each layer
It is clearly written Abhi got many maharadhis to shame on that day
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Before Mahabharata war Arjuna won many battles without Krishna directly involved

Read Ganguly version of Mahabharat atleast the description the way they fought with each other.

for 17 days Arjuna was fighting with Many Maharadhis alone and they could not capture Dharmaja , the sole reason being Arjuna

Karna has not even single victory to showcase in his life that he is Maharadhi
Then what samardhya you are talking about

Karna was killed convincingly. If he could not recite mantras it is his problem and memory don't blame krishna and arjun for it.

Karna fans comfortably hide thier hero's failures under the pretext of trecgesry, curses etc... like looser always comes up with some stories
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Last_avataar:

Abhimanyu did defeat Drona, Karna, Durodhan, Sakuni, Saindahava all maharadhis on that day while piercing each layers


annai, padmavyuham lo defeat undadu, they will alow candidate inside the Lotus,

Jaydrathudu puts a block, andukani arjuna vows revenge anthe gaani padmavyuham kosam drona, duryodhan, karna ila meeru cheppe andari meeda revenge teesukunta ani pratighatana cheyali
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janalu emotional avutunnar li8 teeskondi karna ~ arjun ani conclude seyyandi
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Okahyderabadi:

karna just makes sure all the weapons that Abhimanyu picks up are rendered useless




Yes Eduruga Nilabadi fighting chesi odipoyi, chavu tappi - backstab chesi bow and arrow break chestadu...
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Fighting with Kavacha Kundala is not a great virtue. It is good that he came to fighting removing them becuase thats when he has a right to call himself a maharadhi like others


then Arjuna is also no maharadhi, because who ever he killed he did it with help of lord krishna and using trickery and treachery

btw Arjuna is not even Commander in chief in first place, meaning he was not even part of planning the war,
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Fighting with Kavacha Kundala is not a great virtue. It is good that he came to fighting removing them becuase thats when he has a right to call himself a maharadhi like others

It is not parasurama's Curse. arasurama only told Karna that since the basis of your education is not pure (becuase you learned it settle personal scores, not with a sake of getting knowledge perse, you will forget it in your most crucial time)

Why Karna was defated in many previous instanced even before hacing kavacha kundalas and Vijay Dhnush. Don't make him a superhero than he deserves

Remember he ran for his life in Uttara go grahana...with all this virtues




Kavacha kundalam is a natural gift for karna and how is it preventing him from becoming a maharathi? Every warrior in Jaya has some or other gift, all pandavas are sons of gods and each of them have a gift, so do you call them not great warriors?
This is reference to the old discussion in DB 4 yrs ago, unfortunately I think that thread got lost in the DB crash.
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Abhimanyu did defeat Drona, Karna, Durodhan, Sakuni, Saindahava all maharadhis on that day while piercing each layers

Karna's saradhi rescues him on that day , other karna would have seen heaven on that day. Drona gets surprise of his life on that day

Only when his bow was bokren from back and his sardhi was killed and his radh demolished and all these maharadhis attacked him same time .... with no support he got killed.
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Raman:

karna stabs abimanyu from behind and abhimanyu dies ths is correct version of maha bharat


karna just makes sure all the weapons that Abhimanyu picks up are rendered useless.
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Okahyderabadi:

With all the other things that Karna had it would be virtually impossible to kill him if he had Vijaya and kavacha kundalam's




Fighting with Kavacha Kundala is not a great virtue. It is good that he came to fighting removing them becuase thats when he has a right to call himself a maharadhi like others

It is not parasurama's Curse. arasurama only told Karna that since the basis of your education is not pure (becuase you learned it settle personal scores, not with a sake of getting knowledge perse, you will forget it in your most crucial time)

Why Karna was defated in many previous instanced even before hacing kavacha kundalas and Vijay Dhnush. Don't make him a superhero than he deserves

Remember he ran for his life in Uttara go grahana...with all this virtues
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Raman:

karna infact expresses grief and repents his actions


I doubt he expresses grief because by that point Arjuna kills Karnas' sons so against abhimanyu that is the sub-text involved.
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Raman:

karna stabs abimanyu from behind and abhimanyu dies ths is correct version of maha bharat


Karna only cuts Abhimanyus' bow then sword fight but he dies in the hands of Dushasanaâs son.
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karna stabs abimanyu from behind and abhimanyu dies ths is correct version of maha bharat
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chesi


at the last abhimanyu foght with all of them
karna infact expresses grief and repents his actions
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naranarayanulu okallu undi inkollu lekapodam ledu


chal deyyi Krishna leka poyina Arjunudu kumma galadu antunnaru kada. Abhimanyudu is successful only in breaking the different layers of padmavyuham anthe kaani each layer lead chesina warriors ni beat chesi munduku poyinattu kadu bhale post chestharu as if in that formation it was one on one battle between abhimanyudu and maharadhis'
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I am not sure where the inconsistencies are coming from, karna is actually able to lift the bow and also string it much to the astonishment of everybody present there. It is draupadi who at the indication from Krishna stands up and says she cannot marry a Suta. This version is standard in all known versions of mahabharat including Vyasa bharatam.

Karna is the also one who gets a divine bow before Arjuna (gandivam which is got from Indra after the Khandava dahanam), Parasurama after realizing that he cursed Karna for no mistake of his gives him his bow Vijaya which is unbreakable and uncontested. With all the other things that Karna had it would be virtually impossible to kill him if he had Vijaya and kavacha kundalam's
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hills annay
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Mausala parvam chadivithe without Krishna what Arjuna is ani ardam avuthundi


naranarayanulu okallu undi inkollu lekapodam ledu
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Mausala parvam chadivithe without Krishna what Arjuna is ani ardam avuthundi
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Adi Siva Dhanassu anedi nenu ekkada Vinaledu

The Yantra is created by Drustadyumna, which has to be hit by 5 arrows at the same time releasing at the same time,

all these 5 arrows shouls do specific task and last should hit the Fish eye
This is not astra vidya. This is Archery skill
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wrong he did not hit it, he took the bow in his hands.....forget about hitting it....its sivuni dhannasu none lifted it in first place


meeru ramayan ki mahabharat ki confuse ayinattunnaru
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seven hills annai, how are you? SD ni kummestunavaa inkaa
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inthaki vyasa mahabharatham ani refer chesevallu konchem meeru refer chese authentic version edo chebuthaara, either in print or online source.
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Musicfan:

This is why I guess the OP asked to discuss based on Vyasa Bharatam not some distorted version,,,

A guru can never have grudge or anyother bad quality for disciples. Thats against the law of being called as Guru.. Some people created this story but the reason why Drona asked his thumb is altogether different.

Once Drona was in the forest with his disciples where ekalavya was living. In the anxiety of seeing him for the first time Ekalavya was going towards Drona. Meanwhile a dog keeps barking at that time and Ekalavya got disturbed with this dog and got irritated, he throws arrow at the mouth of dog to shut it from barking.

This utilization of arrow is against the basic purpose of learning the skill of bow and arrow, Which he lost the basic right to have the skill. He utilized the skill on wrong purpose and wrong object. Coming to know this Drona decided this person is not fit to have the skill and took his thumb.

Rest all that is in circulation is immature perception. A guru in those days are 100% qualified gurus..



kukka notlo banam vesaadu kabatti banam veyyadaaniki anarhudu aite, khandava vana dahanam chesi lakshalaadi pasu-pakshulani champesina valla ki emi siksha undaali? aina janthuvuni chettu chaatu nundi kotta vacchu ani vaali ni champinappudu ramudu chebuthaadu kada. afterall kukka (may be pure bred) notlo banaalu vesthe thappu emiti.
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wrong.. Karna failed to hit


wrong he did not hit it, he took the bow in his hands.....forget about hitting it....its sivuni dhannasu none lifted it in first place
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Karna could not do is a fact... drupadi did not stop him.


its in Vyasa bharatham itself,

aa villu Sivuni dhanasu, daanini ekku petta gala samartha daivamsa sambhottalake untadi,

Chinna logic, if arjuna can do it then karna should do it as both are children of gods....

Arjuna son of indra, Karna son of surya ki inka em difference untadi
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deja vu thread from 4 years ago
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Sonyvaio:

Karna will hit it ani krishnudu chebutadu adey sabha lo,

Draupadi wants to get married to Arjuna, and stops karna....


wrong.. Karna failed to hit
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There is nothing wrong in believing what one would like to believe
Every one has thier own versions

Karna could not do is a fact... drupadi did not stop him.
It is a cooked up story of Karna Fans during the course of time.

The Svayamvara function started. All the kings, one by one, were coming and going. Nobody was able even to lift that mighty bow, leave alone hitting Matsya Yantra. Mighty Personalities like Salya and Karna also failed to hit Matsya Yantra.
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Karna could not do Maschayantra Bedhanam, Many tried on that day they could not
Krishan stopped all the Yadava warriors for going for it


many were not able to lift the bow,

karna, villu ni ekku pettina modati vaadu, chedinche time ki krishnudu draupadi ki gurtu chestadu nuvvu Arjun ni korukuntunav, ochinadi arujundu kaadu kada ani.....

Karna will hit it ani krishnudu chebutadu adey sabha lo,

Draupadi wants to get married to Arjuna, and stops karna....enduku twist cheyadam story ni..


Arjunduni love cheyadaniki Karnuduni hate cheyalsina pani ledu, edeva cheyalsina pani anta kante ledu

Treat them as characters, inside you will understand the emotions of those characters
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bhayya..Panchali ante Karnudu ki manta..because she rejected him in swayam vara




Karna could not do Maschayantra Bedhanam, Many tried on that day they could not
Krishan stopped all the Yadava warriors for going for it

Panchali Aaapatam antha Kattu katha..

Only 2 people on that day could do that Arjun and Karna. Karna with his sheer srrogance misses the target.
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Duryodhan is misguided by shakuni..not by karna..




Rao Garu meeru sarigga facts chudatam ledu, Karnudi meeda Premato

- Shakuni played well with Durodhana's emotions and used them accordingly
- Shakuni never expected , all his plans would be spoiled by Krishna.
- It is Karna who is reposible for Bringing the idea to Duryodhan of making Drupari Vivastra.
- It is he who always encouraged Durodhan for a War. He is so foolish that he cannot think of consequences of a war.
- He swayls wanted to settle scopre with Arjun and gave a false confidence to duryodhan that he can win war alone.

So Karna is equally responsible for Duryodhan's plight

Here is the examples of Karns's contracdictory actions
- Promised Durodhan that he would kill all pandavas and make him kig
- At the same time gave Kavachakundala's to Indra and got Shakti. Ok it is part of his Daana Guna
- Why should he promise Kunti that he will leave all his sons except karna (i need to check whether it is really happened or pitta kadaha)
- If he wants to give victory to his Mitra, why did he take voth not to participate in War for 10 days, if bheeshma said something... he could have digested that insult and participated in the war to prove Bheeshma wrong
- Where is his valor when he allowed Takshk to sit on his naagstra to kill arjun ....
- Did he assses the real power of pandavas, never - he lost in the hands of many like many other warirors in the war

With all this as a true friend , did he do a same job of encouraging his friend for such a bloody war ? without assessing other's strencg and his weakness..

This is waht is Karna's character all the way in Mahabharat
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Thanks for the link, Nenu ippude chusanu. Let me get some facts on this

Our confidence about an author and about his skills may out of sheer liking about author's style. it won't make soemthing a defacto standard or authentic perse.

Let me go thru and we will catch up some time.
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How do you confirm that it is the most authentic for original
if you have so many , expceially the Telkugu Trio Version also

What is the basis for you statement
Sanskrit has definite meaning for each work unlike other languages

Do you have a link for if you can provide online ?




Mee confusion emito ardham kaledu ...the critical edition is in original sanskrit ...the link i gave has the complete sanskrit version and KM Ganguli's translation..as to translation errors yeah that is always possible - that's where belief becomes important - if you choose to believe only the kavi trayam version that is your choice..
Then there is the issue of distortions /edits/ additions to the original .
The basis of my statement is my higher confidence in the scholars who compiled the critical edition - time unnappudu BORI edition google cheyyandi to understand how it came about ...

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There is no point of arguing who was better.
karna could not stand abhimanyu during chakravyuha time he along with 5 others( aswathama jayadradha duryodana etc )attacked jointly and killed abhimanyu a boy from MB .. Karna might have regretted his act later but he took the side of adharma time and again and perished in the end
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brother..

you please read all mahabharatam..
do not read patches or parts..

Please read right from Shantana maha raju..
how drutharasta marriage happended..what bhishma did for that....how shakuni has enterd into hastinapur..what is his aim..
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as shakuni is having lot of anger on bhishma..right from gandhari marriage.



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indrudu..kavacha kundalalu tesukuuna papaniki prathiphalam ga emanna ivvadam dharmam ani Indrudu istadu...
danam icci inkokadi daggara danam adigi teesukovadam ledu...


adige teesukuntadu saar..
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SHAKUNI KUTAMTRALANNITIKI (kauravas actions ) KRISHNUDI leelalu (with pandavas)tho SAMADHANAM CHEVUTADU...

its shakuni dream to keep duryodhan at hastinapur throne...
as shakuni is having lot of anger on bhishma..right from gandhari marriage.
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adige teesukuntadu.. Suryudu cheptadu.. 1st kavacha kundalalu ivvaddu ani.. vinakapote in the last minute, atleast aa ayudhanni teesukomantadu prati ga.. which karna did




edo movie lo di chevutunnavu..

indrudu..kavacha kundalalu tesukuuna papaniki prathiphalam ga emanna ivvadam dharmam ani Indrudu istadu...
danam icci inkokadi daggara danam adigi teesukovadam ledu...
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nenu adigindi cheppala..

Dharma raju..bhishmudu cheppina enduku addadu zoodam..maaya zoodam ani telisina enduku aadadu..
Brothers ni pettadam dharmama..
Wife ni zoodam lo pettadam dharmama..
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Bhayya...idi karnudi adigi teesukunnadi kadu...
evaru ayina pedda danam teesukunnaka..iccina variki edanna ivvadam aanavayathi..


adige teesukuntadu.. Suryudu cheptadu.. 1st kavacha kundalalu ivvaddu ani.. vinakapote in the last minute, atleast aa ayudhanni teesukomantadu prati ga.. which karna did
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Rao:

Duryodhan is misguided by shakuni..not by karna..karna konnic hcevutadu..idi manchidi kadu ani..bau duryodhan vinadu.



Rao:

chalka mandi anukuntaru its fight between pandavas and kauravas..but truly its between krishna and shakuni..(kutantralu)


epic.. I retire
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Bhayya...idi karnudi adigi teesukunnadi kadu...
evaru ayina pedda danam teesukunnaka..iccina variki edanna ivvadam aanavayathi..
aa vidham ga Indra....aayudhani ...istadu..
ante kunthi karnudi daggara maata adigi tesukunnada..4 pandavulanbi champoddu ani..
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Anjaneyudu oka athani ki ( do not remember name) mata ivvadam valane sri ramunitho yuddam chesadu..


ok.. now I understand u r more relying on information that is in popular public belief.

meeru cheppina example kalpita katha...
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Bongaram:

cheppatam varake tana badhyata.. Duryodhana is king. karnudu adi kooda cheyyadu




Duryodhan is misguided by shakuni..not by karna..karna konnic hcevutadu..idi manchidi kadu ani..bau duryodhan vinadu.(shakuni influence is more) but due to his pledge he followed duryodhann..
chalka mandi anukuntaru its fight between pandavas and kauravas..but truly its between krishna and shakuni..(kutantralu)
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adi vallu nammina dharmam.. dharmam ayina daanam ayina...


poni adi aina full ga follow ayyada ante .. mallee Indrudu daggara tirigi 'Sakthi' aayudham teesukuntadu..
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Bhishmudu mari enduku aapaleka poyadu duryodanunni..


cheppatam varake tana badhyata.. Duryodhana is king. karnudu adi kooda cheyyadu
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ide kada keerthi kosam taapatrayam ante?? Keerthi lingual kaabatte he chose it over dharma.... Anyway, my bottom line is




ante dharma raju..Keerhi kosam..dharmam follow ayyda..
krrthi kosam evadu cheyyadu..

adi vallu nammina dharmam.. dharmam ayina daanam ayina...
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Mareechudu ki unna antha dharmam knowledge kooda ledu karnudiki..... Naa maata vinakapothe champesta ante, nee chetullo chaavu kante Ramudi chethilo nayam antaadu....there he dint have a choice




Anjaneyudu oka athani ki ( do not remember name) mata ivvadam valane sri ramunitho yuddam chesadu..
kontha mandi iccina pledge ki viluva istaru..so des karna and bheeshma..even though they knows that their life is at stake..
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dont compare.. Bheeshmudu cheptadu maya judam adharmam ani.. also.. panchali ni avamanincheppudu kooda..

where as karna encouraged it.. he just want to in the good books of duryodhana..

Tana personal rivalry against arjuna ki Dhuryodhanudi jealousy ni vaadukunnadu..




bhayya..Panchali ante Karnudu ki manta..because she rejected him in swayam vara ..sootha putrudu ani dhuushinchi..adi baga mind alo vundi karnudiki..
inkokati..Indra prastam rajassuyagam lo..duryodhan and karna ki jarigina avamanm lo draupahi patra vunnadi...
so aa vidham ga karnuniki draupathi ante kontha kpam vundi..
draupthi ni drag chesi sabha lo vastapaharanm mo shakuni paTRA EKKUVA..
ikkada karnudu chesina tappu emiti ante..5 members tho kapuram chese aaamenu vesya tho samanam ani antadu..anthe gani..draupthi sabha ku lakku ravadam lo karnuni prameyam ledu...

Bhishma also told to dharma raju..to not to play dice game..enduku vinledu mari..
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karna knows much dharma as good as dharmaraju


dharmam teliyadam valla no use....if that is the criteria, duryodhana should be equated with dharmaraja.... Duryodhana perfectly knows what's dharma and what's not.... But he choses to act as he pleases rather than what is waaranted by dharma....
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Bheeshmudu cheptadu maya judam adharmam ani




Bhishmudu mari enduku aapaleka poyadu duryodanunni..
same karna is also helpless to stop duryodhan misdeeds (mastermind behind duryodhan is Sakuni)..and followed duryodhan orders due to his pledge..
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karnudu modatinundi daana niki kattu badi vunnadu..so he does kavaca kundalalu to indra..
ivvaka pothe...ivvaledu anevallu..inka enduku karnudu anevallu..
iste..kaarti antaru..di okkte jkadu kadha..
eppati nundo istunnadu..he is ready to give his life if some one asks..
krsihna praises karna in somany cases about his daanam..


ide kada keerthi kosam taapatrayam ante?? Keerthi lingual kaabatte he chose it over dharma.... Anyway, my bottom line is

Thikka_sankara:

so please don't equate yudhistira and Karna in the aspect of dharma..... Dharmam kaaadu ani telsina ichina maata tappaledu ane Peru kosam he decided not to switch.... Nijanga dharmam patinchevaadu aithe Janna rahasyam cheppetappudu kaaadu....munde jump kottali.....b/w vibheeshunudiki pledge lekapodam enti.... Bhrathru dharmam.... Anna vente tammudu....but not when Anna is ravana and is fighting Rama. Mareechudu ki unna antha dharmam knowledge kooda ledu karnudiki..... Naa maata vinakapothe champesta ante, nee chetullo chaavu kante Ramudi chethilo nayam antaadu....there he dint have a choice.....

Karnudu veeruda arjunudu veeruda Anna point ki arguments unnai emo kaani karnuda yudhistiruda anedaniki dharmam ane criteria lo no arguments..... Hands down karnudu adharmathmudu



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bhayya I am not equating karna with Dharma raju..

What i am saying is karna knows much dharma as good as dharmaraju but because of his pledge he followd duryodhan who is ended up adharma side.
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karnudu modatinundi daana niki kattu badi vunnadu..so he does kavaca kundalalu to indra..
ivvaka pothe...ivvaledu anevallu..inka enduku karnudu anevallu..
iste..kaarti antaru..di okkte jkadu kadha..
eppati nundo istunnadu..he is ready to give his life if some one asks..
krsihna praises karna in somany cases about his daanam..
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Even Krishna,, karnunni kalasi karnuni janma rahasayam cheppinappudu..krishna karnunni adharma side nundi pandava side ki vacceyyi antadu..but na pranam ayina vadulu kuntanu gani..na maata (pledge) vadulukolenu antadu..


so please don't equate yudhistira and Karna in the aspect of dharma..... Dharmam kaaadu ani telsina ichina maata tappaledu ane Peru kosam he decided not to switch.... Nijanga dharmam patinchevaadu aithe Janna rahasyam cheppetappudu kaaadu....munde jump kottali.....b/w vibheeshunudiki pledge lekapodam enti.... Bhrathru dharmam.... Anna vente tammudu....but not when Anna is ravana and is fighting Rama. Mareechudu ki unna antha dharmam knowledge kooda ledu karnudiki..... Naa maata vinakapothe champesta ante, nee chetullo chaavu kante Ramudi chethilo nayam antaadu....there he dint have a choice.....

Karnudu veeruda arjunudu veeruda Anna point ki arguments unnai emo kaani karnuda yudhistiruda anedaniki dharmam ane criteria lo no arguments..... Hands down karnudu adharmathmudu
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Ikkada karnudu pledge ki kattubaddadu..even though adharma happening..
Bhisha also pledge ki kattubaddadu..


dont compare.. Bheeshmudu cheptadu maya judam adharmam ani.. also.. panchali ni avamanincheppudu kooda..

where as karna encouraged it.. he just want to in the good books of duryodhana..

Tana personal rivalry against arjuna ki Dhuryodhanudi jealousy ni vaadukunnadu..
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keerthi kosama..
ante kevalam keerthi kosame danalu chesevada..


indeed. Indrudu vastunnadu donga brahmanudu vesham lo kavacha kundalala kosam ani Surya Bhagavanudu munde cheptadu karnudu ki.. ataniki ivvaddu ani..

daniki indrudu anthati vaade nannu ardhiste antha kante kavalsindi emundi antadu..

so.. he is sure.. tanu ichedi indrudu ki enduku upayoga padevi kaadu..except for saving his son ani..
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doesn't matter....oka sainikudu duryodhanudi vaipu fight chesthe case ledu, he doesn't have a choice.... But Karna cannot take cover of any thing.... Adharmam ani telisinappudu.... Duryodhana ni aapagalagali....ledante walkout cheyyali.... Why do you think bheeshma wanted pandavas to win....why he volunteered to death? Cheppaga kada, vibheeshunudu ravanudi ki sontha tammudu, just like lakshmana. Lakshmana vishayam li bhrathru dharmaments paatinchadam dharmam....not in case of vibheeshana.... So vibheeshana did follow dharma by walking away from adharma....which Karna failed to do




yes bhayya..all kaurava camp is in adharma side..
Karnudu matakku kattu paddadu..he tried some teach duryodhan about dharma..but he has listened (iikada Sakuni prabhavam baga vundi duryodhanudi meeda about adharma)..
Ikkada karnudu pledge ki kattubaddadu..even though adharma happening..
Bhisha also pledge ki kattubaddadu..
But Vibheeshunudu ki pledge emi ledu..so he can walk as per his wish..
but in bhishma and karna vishayam lo ala kadu..pledge ki kattu baddaru..

Even Krishna,, karnunni kalasi karnuni janma rahasayam cheppinappudu..krishna karnunni adharma side nundi pandava side ki vacceyyi antadu..but na pranam ayina vadulu kuntanu gani..na maata (pledge) vadulukolenu antadu...
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Anyway adharmam vaipu dharmam gaa undadam asambhavam....



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keerthi kosama..
ante kevalam keerthi kosame danalu chesevada..

ante first time aaa ala danam ivvadam..he is ready to give his ölife if some one asks his life as danam..
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adi kooda cheyyadu.. kavacha kundalalu nammukune duryodhanudu yuddaniki siddapadatadu. but sontha keerti kosam vatiki indrudiki danam istadu.

alane dharmaraju etc.. vallani champanu.. antadu.. adi kooda mitra drohame


points to note.... Anyway adharmam vaipu dharmam vs undadam asambhavam....
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..duryodhanuniki iccina mataku (pledge) kattu badi vunnadu..
mataku kattu badi vunadatam aayana dhrmama..


doesn't matter....oka sainikudu duryodhanudi vaipu fight chesthe case ledu, he doesn't have a choice.... But Karna cannot take cover of any thing.... Adharmam ani telisinappudu.... Duryodhana ni aapagalagali....ledante walkout cheyyali.... Why do you think bheeshma wanted pandavas to win....why he volunteered to death? Cheppaga kada, vibheeshunudu ravanudi ki sontha tammudu, just like lakshmana. Lakshmana vishayam li bhrathru dharmaments paatinchadam dharmam....not in case of vibheeshana.... So vibheeshana did follow dharma by walking away from adharma....which Karna failed to do
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Karnudu ardharadhudu ani vunnadi NTR cinimallo..bhishmudu mahatyam..to keep karna away from battle.

Not in original..
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mee istam kanivvandi..


vammo..master.. meeru real ga chadivara or Dana veera soora karna type references aa?

Bheemudu Athiratha Sreshtudu.. Karnudu ardha rathudu
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babu karna ..duryodhanuniki iccina mataku (pledge) kattu badi vunnadu..
mataku kattu badi vunadatam aayana dhrmama..


adi kooda cheyyadu.. kavacha kundalalu nammukune duryodhanudu yuddaniki siddapadatadu. but sontha keerti kosam vatiki indrudiki danam istadu.

alane dharmaraju etc.. vallani champanu.. antadu.. adi kooda mitra drohame
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Bheemudu chetilo archery fight lo ne odipotadu Karnudu




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aswaddama is death ledu..anthe gani..he is not warrior..he is just having average skills.
aswaddamaki antha seenu ledu babu..


okkaroju lo oka akshouhini sena ni champutadu.. ala 2 times chestadu..

Bheeshmude cheptadu yuddam starting mundu.. balabalalu cheppamannappudu..

Aswathama arjunidi tho samanam ga yuddam cheyyagala vaadu ani.. and then.. he too did not lost a battle
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babu karna ..duryodhanuniki iccina mataku (pledge) kattu badi vunnadu..
mataku kattu badi vunadatam aayana dhrmama..

same bhishma ..mataku (pledge) kattubadi vunnadu..

dice game lo wife ni pettadam dharma raju yokka dharma ma..
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maaya judam ani telisi support chesina karnudu dharmaraju tho equal aa.. ok.
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Ashwathama is much better than Karna.. Acc to Bheeshma, he is equivalent to Arjuna



aswaddama is death ledu..anthe gani..he is not warrior..he is just having average skills.
aswaddamaki antha seenu ledu babu..
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Dharma raju - in dharmam in other seets..


Idi comedy ga undi.....dharmam paatinche vaadaithe duryodhanudi side under vaade kaaadu.... Don quote sneham and others.... Vibheeshanudu brathru dharmanne kaadani Dharmam vaipu ochesaadu.... Karna is an egoist.... Duryodhana daggara ego sasatisfy ayyi unnadu....

In a way, both duryodhana and Karna are same..... Adharmam ani telisuna cheyyakunda undalenu antaadu duryodhana....same with Karna, adharmatmudu ani telsina duryodhanudini odalaledu Karna....

So don't equate Karna with yudhistira
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Karnudu chetilo bheemudu 2 times vodipotadu..(with archery and sword)


Rao garu, meeku full knowledge ledu anukunta..

Bheemudu chetilo archery fight lo ne odipotadu Karnudu
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Karna equal to
arjun - in archery skillss


Bheemudu chetilo odipoyadu ante Arjunidi ki match ante inka em cheptam.. khandistam
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Karnudu chetilo bheemudu 2 times vodipotadu..(with archery and sword)
Mace lo bheemudi ni evadu vodistadu babu..
bheema won with mace and kusty fight lo..

Arjun velli Mace tho duryodhan/bheem tho fight cheyamanu..telustundi..

arjun strenght is only archery..but karnuni strength is multiple strength (archery,mace,sword etc.)..that made him unique over arjun..
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entire kurukshetram lo Arjundu not even once lost a battle.




Krishna vunda ga enduku loose avutadu arjun.enduku maranistadu..
3 times life save chesadu krishna..

yes Bhishma aa rahasyanni dharmarajuku chevutadu...But before that Krishna asked dhrmaraju to go to bhishma and ask how to get rid of bhishma.

Ikkada krishnunu leela..Dharma rajuni Bhishmuni daggariki pampadam lo vundi..

Karna equal to
arjun - in archery skillss
Bheema - in mace and strength
Nakul,sahadev - in sword fight
Dharma raju - in dharmam in other seets..

all these makes him superior to arjun..
Pandavula lakshnalu anni karnudi lo vunnai..
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How can someone kill Bheeshma when his death in his own hands? Mind you, no one except Bheemsha himself tells Yudhishtara how to kill him..


ide maata chepthe, he is still a human antaaru....

Anyway....bheeshma is an exception in mahabharatha..... The mahabharatha that we talk about is entirely driven by bheeshma.... Krishnude yuddham Loki dige laa yuddham cheyagaladu....but that doesn't mean anything...... What matters is whether you are with dharma or not.....

What is dharma.. acting as per the will of God is dharma... When you have Lord Krishna and act as per his words, whatevrr they be, you are automatically following dharma, if not, whatever smrithi you are following, it doesn't matter, you are just not following dharma....

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karna is no match to him. He even lost at the hands Bheema and Abhimanyu.


point out cheddam anukunna..... Bheemudi chethilone odipothaadu karnudu.....lite
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As promised to Kunti, Karna aimed on killing only Arjuna. On the sixteenth day, he fought with all the Pandava brothers but Arjuna and spared each one of them. After defeating them, he ordered his charioteer Shalya to move towards Arjuna. He used Nagastra,the same celestial weapon that was used by Indrajith against Rama on Ramayana in an attempt to kill Arjuna,but Krishna saves Arjuna from certain death by lowering their chariot wheel into the earth. Karna and Arjun then waged a rough war against each other.As promised to Kunti, Karna used a celestial weapon only once against Arjuna. Karna had a chance to kill Arjuna but spared him as the sun was about to set.

On the seventeenth day of battle the two foes faced each other once more. This battle between Arjuna and Karna is perhaps the most cataclysmic and awesome of the great epic. The warriors on the battlefield and the devas in heaven watched the battle in speechless amazement and terrified admiration of the strength and skill of these greatest of warriors. On the seventeenth day, Karna cut the string of Arjunaâs bow many a times. The epic states that initially, the battle was even between the two foes, but then Karna's chariot wheel is trapped in the mud as a result of the curse he received earlier from a Brahmin. He still defended himself,but at the crucial moment forgot the incantations to invoke Brahmanda astra, as a result of his guru Parshurama's curse. Karna got down from his chariot to free the wheel and asked Arjuna to pause reminding him of etiquette of the war. But Krishna reminded Arjuna of all the incidences-Abhimanyuâs death,the Laksha-Griha conspiracy, Draupadiâs insult and others,Arjuna attacked Karna who was trying to lift his sunken chariot wheel.Karna defended himself and invoked Rudraastra against Arjuna and this astra hit Arjuna on his chest.[11] Arjuna lost his grip on his bow, Gandiva, which fell down from his hand for the first time and Arjuna fell down in a swoon. Following the rules of engagement of war, Karna did not try to kill him but instead tried to utilize the time in extracting the wheels of his chariot.Arjuna recovered and using the Anjalika weapon decapitated the weaponless Karna who was still trying to lift the sunken chariot wheel. Though it was highly forbidden according to the rules of engagement of the war to attack a weaponless warrior or to attack an enemy from the back, Arjuna was spurred by Lord Krishna to do so. It was later revealed that Karna can be killed only when all the 3 curses act upon him and this made Krishna employ deceit to kill Karna. Later, when it was revealed that Karna was actually Arjuna's older brother, Arjuna became haunted by Karna's killing, and took it upon himself to treat Vrishakethu, Karna's only remaining son, with great care.

Another part of this event is that Karna's guru Parasurama appears in Karna's dream during the period of the Kurukshetra War and when Karna asks him to release him from Parasurama's curse,Parusurama reveals that for the sake of Dharma, Karna must be killed by Arjuna so that Yudhister can become the rightful king.[12] Also,Lord Krishna asks Karna to accept the above destiny to enable Dharma to triumph.Thus Karna submits to be killed by Arjuna so that Dharma may triumph.

In some versions as Karna lay dying on the battlefield, his father Surya and Arjuna's father Indra fell into a debate as to who among their sons was superior and decided to test Karna's generosity and appeared before him as Brahmins asking for alms. Karna said that at this point he had nothing to give them while one of the Brahmins remark that he has some gold in his teeth which could be of use to them. Karna on realizing this promptly took a stone and broke his teeth handing them over to the Brahmins,thus proving his superiority.[13] In other versions of the epic, Krishna appears as a Brahmin and asks for Karna's punya or merit and once Karna gifted his life's Punya to him, Krishna rewarded Karna with the Darshan of Krishna's Vishwaroopa. A play is staged in South India known as Kattaikkuttu which is based on the events that occurred in Karna's life on the day of his death.[13]

Following the end of the war, Tarpan vidhi were performed for all the fallen. Kunti then requested her sons to perform the rites for Karna and revealed the truth of his birth. The brothers were shocked to find that they had committed fratricide. Yudhishtira, in particular, was furious with his mother and laid a curse upon all women that they should never thereafter be able to keep a secret.[citation needed] Other versions claim Kunthi and Karna's foster mother Radha become aware that he is dying and rush to his side.His birth is then revealed to the Pandavas and Kauravas and the Pandavas perform Karna's final rites.(In this version,no boon is requested by anyone as Karna lies dying)
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What i am saying is..Its krishna who won the war for Pandavas not arjun skills.


indulo doubt ledu.... Greta lo Krishna cheptaadu....Nenu already decide chesesanu....you are just a tool to implement ani.....that's a diff issue.... Anyway....evaru greater fighter lanti vishayalu tegevi kaavu le.... Everyone will just have their view
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u read it completely. As long as Arjuna is there, no one can defeat Pandavas..

Arjuna is the power that is evolved from Krishna (NaraNarayanulu)

entire kurukshetram lo Arjundu not even once lost a battle.

karna is no match to him. He even lost at the hands Bheema and Abhimanyu.

Ashwathama is much better than Karna.. Acc to Bheeshma, he is equivalent to Arjuna

How can someone kill Bheeshma when his death in his own hands? Mind you, no one except Bheemsha himself tells Yudhishtara how to kill him..
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Karna Parva

Karna Parva, the eighth book of the MahÄbhÄrata, describes sixteenth and seventeenth days of the Kurukshetra war where post Dronacharyaâs death Karna took over as the commander-in-chief. Anticipating a likely battle to the death between Karna and Arjuna, Krishna warned Arjuna calling Karna to be the foremost of the heroes.[10]



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Hear in brief, O son of Pandu! I regard the mighty Karna as thy equal, or perhaps, thy superior! In energy he is equal to fire. As regards speed, he is equal to the impetuosity of the wind. In wrath, he resembles the Destroyer himself. Endued with might, he resembles a lion in the formation of his body. He is eight ratnis in stature. His arms are large. His chest is broad. He is invincible. He is sensitive. He is a hero. He is, again, the foremost of heroes. He is exceedingly handsome. Possessed of every accomplishment of a warrior, he is a dispeller of the fears of friends. No one, not even the Gods with Vasava at their head, can slay the son of Radha. No one possessed of flesh and blood, not even the Gods fighting with great care, not all the warriors (of the three worlds) fighting together can vanquish the son of the chariot-rider.
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Rao:
Bhisham dronulaku..defeat ledu..




Mari ilanti vaallu kauravula side undadam fair aaa?




Bhishma dronulu..narulu..
Krishna --GOD ..narayanudu..
Only Krishna can defeat bhishma and drona..not arjun..
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Thikka_sankara:

Odinchatam ante champatam kadu....making your enemy accept your supremacy..... Kauravulu including karna ni gandharvulu chitthu chesi bandhisthe....on orders of dharmaraja, arjunudu gandharvulani odinchi (not champi) vidipistaadu.....




Ade baba nenu anedi...
Aa roju..Karna is in drunken state..inka yuddam ekkada chestadu..
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Mari ilanti vaallu kauravula side undadam fair aaa




Vallu valla dhrmaniki kattu baddaru..
for bhishma also..kurukshetram lo pandavula vijayanne korukunnadu..vallu gelavadam dharma anukunnadu..aayana vunnantha kalam pandavulaku vijayam dorakadu..so aayana marana rahasyanni pandavulaki cheppi..10th day na pakkaku tappincharu..

here I am not supporitng any kaurava camp for their misdeeds..
yuddam lo konni rules petti..aa rules n iviolate chesi..adhrma yuddam start chesaru (bhishmani champadam nundi) pandavas..
except krishna and ghatotchacha all are narulu in kurukshetram..saindhava is narudu..
for that matter bhishma drona also having boons..
ikkada boons gurinchi kadu issue..
duryodhanudu Balaram ani adugutadu..yuddam lo kaurava side vundamani..but he balaram tappukunnadu...me iru varghala varu maaku kavalsina vallu ani..

adhrma yuddam start chesindi Pandavas(in case of bhishma)..so kauravas also started to react in same manner with abhimanyu..

mottam original bhartam okasari chadavandi..Kurukshetra yuddam lo dharmanni gelipinchadaniki Adhrmam cheyyoccu ani krishna kuda antadu..

Pandavulanu rakshinchadam Krishnuni dharmam..andukani pandavas ni save cheyyalsi vaccindi kurukshetram lo..

1.Bhishma shikandi ni use chesi kotadam -
2.Drona peeka cut cheyyadam (astra sanyasam lo)
3.abhimanyu death
4.Karna death
5.Duryodhan death
in above except 3rd point..anni krishna leelau..


krishna saved ajun in somany cases in kuruksetra..
1.Arjun suicide ( in jayadradha case)
2.Ghatotschachuni scapegoat to save arjun..
3.From Nagastram (takshaka) from karna

What i am saying is..Its krishna who won the war for Pandavas not arjun skills.
Krishna (GOD) participate chesi vundkapothe ..first 3 days lo Kurukshetram end ayyedi..
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Odinchatam ante champatam kadu....making your enemy accept your supremacy..... Kauravulu including karna ni gandharvulu chitthu chesi bandhisthe....on orders of dharmaraja, arjunudu gandharvulani odinchi (not champi) vidipistaadu.....
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Oka GOD oka side vundatam (even though not using weapons) unfair




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Bhisham dronulaku..defeat ledu..




Mari ilanti vaallu kauravula side undadam fair aaa? Anyway Krishna offered himself to duryodhana too.... If duryodhana rejects then how is it unfair? Abhimanyudini chakra vyuham Loki enter ayyaka jayadrath who got boon to stop pandavas ni use chesukodam fair aaa and abhimanyudini adhrma yuddham lo champadam fair aaa???... Who said drona and bheeshma can't be defeated....they just can't be killed..... Padmavyuham Loki enter ayyetappudu athiratha maharathulandrni single hand tho odistaadu abhimanyudu.....arjunudi daka akkarledu....

One thing you need to accept in war since kurukshetra.....everything is fair, whatever it takes to win.....
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kurukshetram yuddam lo first 9 days..Bhishma ni vodinchadaniki chala prayatna chestaru pandavulu. it has not workd for them to defeat..defeat ayithe..its very easy for pandavas to capture duryodhan.
during 9 days of bhishma captancy..duryodan bhadhi ayina..or yudhistir bhadi ayina..yuddam aagi poyedi..sampavasaram ledu..
bhishma ki due to his age having some yogi powers which makes him undefeatble.
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brother,
Bhisham dronulaku..defeat ledu..
veellani odinche varu okka krishnude..no others..
bhishma even parusuram ni kuda defeat chesadu..
remember during first 9 days of war..no one has died in kaurava camp..during bhishma captancy..

nenu anedi..Kuruksetra yuddam lo Krishnuni leelalu helped arjun to win the war..not arjun skills alone..
asalu Oka GOD oka side vundatam (even though not using weapons) unfair.he would have skipped in participating the war. like what balaram did....his presence makes the diff.

He knows if he was not there with pandava side..Kaurava camp would kill pandavas outrightly.

Arjun bheshna dronulanu odinchadu..anedi big trash..etuvanti versoion lonu ledu..including original..
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chala late entry into thread, dint go thru at all... Open cheyyagane mee questions kanapaddai....so answering....
ArjunIdi veerathvam sankinchalsina pani ledu..... Virataparvam ending lo single handed ga kauravulu including karma drodrolanu odinchadu..... Mari why take help of astral sanyasam and shikandi ante....to kill them....understand the difference....odinchatam veru champadam veru.....as said by his highness pawan kalyan in jalsa odinchalante champakkarledu.... But kurukshetram lo odinchatalu undav champadaale....it's where everything has to culminate.... Champadaaniki aithe eeee helps kaavali..... Tappadu.....

Oka Krishna being beside arjuna ante....it's not what eithr Krishna or arjuna decided....it's as per whims of duryodhana....so why to take away arjuna's glory.....
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nenu adigi na daniki samadhanam cheppaledu meeru..

Arjun antha veerudu ayithe..

1.Bhishma ni enduku oka aadadanni addam pettukuni weapons nu vadalali..
2.Drona visham lo endu..astra sanyasam chesinappuda veeratvam chupedi..
3.Arjun ni save cheyyadaniki (from Weapan given indra tpo karna)Gatschachudini battle field ki teppinchindi krishna.
arjun kosam krishna Gatschachudini bali pasuvu chesadu..
4.Saindhavudini vishayam lo nu arjun ni krishan save cheyyalsi vaccindi..sun setting vishayam lo..
5.Karna has won lot of battles during the time of pandavas aranya vasam and ajnata vasam..he won even on Jarasandha..made him king for malini rajyam..Karna has spread kuru rajyam..

Karna ki lot of sapalu vunnai..idi anni bharatala lonu vundi..

kavacha kundalalu enduku teesukunnaru..ante..fair battle kosam antavu..mari fair battle ayite..Krishna (god) Arjun tho patu vundatam enduku..idi fair battla..

remember pandava won becasue of Krishnuni leelalu..Not because of Arjun veeratvam..arjun suiside chesukovali saindhavuni vishayam lo..akkada krisha saved him by leelalu..same arjun was saved by krishna ghatotschachuni use chesi..asalu asurulu (rakshasulu) kuruksetramlo yuddam cheyadam against the rules
Arjun place lo nenu vunna (nato patu krishnudu)I would have won the battle for pandavas..

All Bhishma,drona,karna was killed by adharma yuddam.

PS.:Dharmam gelavali ante adhrmamu ayina cheyyoccu.
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Mee istam rao garu .. mee bharatam meeru rasukunnaka
inka disco enduku...

lite tessukondi, meeku NTR movies , non authentciate version nachutaayi
Brecuase they are aligned with your pre conceived views on Karna

Manam rest teesukundam. I respect your views
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Brother..

Draupathi swayam varam lo uddam jaragaledu..Some confrontation..eduru padi 4 matalu ante yuddam jariginatla..

Virata parvam..Akkada kuda peddaga uddam jaragaledu..kauravas arjundu dorikadu ajnata vasam lo..one year finish avvakunda ne ane moju lo vudipoayaru..
do that mean bhishmudu odipoyada akkada..bhishma was the commander..at that time..

Ghoshaytra lo..Duryodha and karna and othes are fully drunkan state..at that time ghandharvs vacci capture chestaru..duryodan ni...drunken state lo yevaru uddham chestaru..

nenu adigi na daniki samadhanam cheppaledu meeru
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How do you confirm that it is the most authentic for original
if you have so many , expceially the Telkugu Trio Version also

What is the basis for you statement
Sanskrit has definite meaning for each work unlike other languages

Do you have a link for if you can provide online ?
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The authentic version is Veda Vyasa,




Then the most authentic version available is the BORI critical edition which is what Ganguli and Debroy have translated..

The need for the critical edition arose because there were so many different versions available that they had to get scholars to compare all of them and put together the critical edition with what was most common across the versions.

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Chetakani vallu enni covering ayina istaru
Karna is best example for that

Vodipovadaniki meelantollu middle lo enno ilantivi teesukuchina
karna remains karna

When anjalika was released karna could not react to the speed of arjun. Thats is arjun

He can never be equal to Arjuna
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Sony, velli virataparma chadavandi uttara go grahanam
Including Bheeshma every one got defated

Karna ran for his life....

Karnudi ki Gandhrvulani vodinche scene ledu , inka it is a miracle for him to think about arjuna
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Karna was not killed in adharma way


yes he was
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Dispite of having so many curses karnunni adhrmam ga (on unethical grounds) champalsi vaccindi.




Meeru Original Bharatam chadavakunda ee false pracahralu eduku chestaru rao garu
Karna was not killed in adharma way

He was killed while fighting from land in a convincing way

Jeevtham lo okka war koods win ayina track record leni Karnudini super start cheyyakandi. He was captured and was left in Mahabharat many time like other warriors

what happened to his skills when he gor defated in Droupadi swayamway in the hnds of arjun, what happened when he could not afce Gandharva Army, what happened in Virata Parva.. he ran for his life when arjuna was on fire, what happend to in Mahabharat when Abhimanu and Arjuna and Bheema almost nailed him many time...

Its shame to make this false hero as her ,, rao garu, Vyasa Bharatm cheppani versions pracharam cheyyodu
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He has the ca[ability to defeat the entire Kuru Maharadhis single handedly without Krishna... Thats is Arjuna


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Its a matter of belief - logical thinking would require reading multiple versions and analysing




One cannot do this as it is copy right infringement
The authentic version is Veda Vyasa, you cannot claim that for logical thinking you need multiple versions which are largely deviated from original author

Some Versons say ekalavya did participate on Kuru side. But lot of versions never even mentioned, So he would have become insignificant after he gave the right thumb

Coming to Ekalavya being threat to Arjuna is very funny
People doesn't know what is Arjuna

He has the ca[ability to defeat the entire Kuru Maharadhis single handedly without Krishna... Thats is Arjuna

Karna and ekalavya has no such track record except those falise claims by various distorted versions....
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krishnudu askhalita brahmachari antar.. meaning enti..?




Krishna the yoga guru could manage this in-spite of getting associated with 16108 women.

What it means and how he did it which is something cannot be explained in public forums. :-)
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Ekalavya after giving his thumb, was in Jarasandhuras court and taught him archery, Eklavya sisupaluni kuda neruputadu.

Krishnudu rukimini ni teesukuni ostunappudu fight lo untadu ekalavyaddu, for Jarasanduni killing.

Eklavya's son was also part of Kaurava army, eklavya tanaki raani vidyani tana vamsikulaku tana tribe ki nerpistadu

Coming to Dog story, Ekalavya intention was not to hurt dog, his intention was to get Drona's attention, also dog ki ekkada guchukonu kuda guchukovu aa arrows
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Yes he was killed in battle by Krishna - read the drona parva link I gave - Krishna talks about kiling him because even after losing the thumb he was a threat to Arjuna..

Actually just checked the relevant chapters in Debroy translation book 6 and he pretty much says the same as in Ganguli translation and he has given the references to the sloka number sets .. Din't have time now to cross reference but will get to it some time :-)

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naak eppati nundo unna oka question... krishnudu askhalita brahmachari antar.. meaning enti..?
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Will take a look at the link you have posted.

I have read many versions, there were few versions which say after Drona's episode, Ekalavya inspite of loosing right thumb, he went on to learn the skill with left arm and became equally skillful with left hand. One version says he even tried to become part of Kaurava army, but got killed by Krishna.
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Correlation kuda ade link lo undi :-) and the way i see it - interpretation of why drona did what he did is people's imposition of what sounds right and acceptable to them - sacred texts lo sanskrit version kuda undi - unfortunately there is no easy way to link km ganguli's translation one to one to the slokas - but the drona parva quote is pretty definitive as to why it was done ..

Maybe after i finish the bibek roy translation - i may find the set of slokas - will let you know if i do :-)

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Drona is called acharya. the word acharya does not come easily to anyone. there are very few who are titled as acharya in mahabharata.

ekalavya has very aggressive nature by birth. this is evident from the incident when his character is introduced in the epic. kotta gaa choosina manishini choosi moragaDam kukka lakshanam. daniki kopinchi atanu banaalu vesi kukka noru kattesaadu.

ilantivadi chetilo sastraalu padite?? drona has very logical reason to deny him as student.

same drona never taught his own son some of the astras. on his insistance he taught brahmastra to aswaddhama but did not tell him how to control thinking he will never use it.

same drona taught all his skilss to drushtadruyumnudu though he knows he was born to kill him as per drupada's yagnam.


oka pichchi cinemalo song lo oka line pattukuni "botana velivvamane kapati aa dRonudu".. lol... if someone assumes drona's character.. :-):-)
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Actually there is some correlation to what happened later to Ekalavya and why he was denied by in first place by Drona when he approached to teach him the skill.

When you map everything, the version against Drona doesnt stand any more.
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which version one believes its upto their logical thinking nd belief..




Its a matter of belief - logical thinking would require reading multiple versions and analysing :-)

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Not quite accurate...atleast not by other translations




Thats what I said, there are many popular versions who blame Drona being partial like in the one you posted, but logically they don't make sense at all. People finding fault in Drona to elevate Ekalavya doesn't have any logicality to it given the qualities of Drona.

which version one believes its upto their logical thinking nd belief..
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Sorry missed adding the link for the Drona Parva quote

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07178.htm

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Coming to know this Drona decided this person is not fit to have the skill and took his thumb.

Rest all that is in circulation is immature perception. A guru in those days are 100% qualified gurus..




Not quite accurate...atleast not by other translations

From the Drona Parva..

"O best of men! for thy good, the Nishada's son also, of prowess incapable of being baffled, was, by an act of guile, deprived of his thumb by Drona, assuming the position of his preceptor. Proud and endued with steady prowess, the Nishada's son, with fingers cased in leathern gloves, looked resplendent like a second Rama. Undeprived of thumb, Ekalavya, O Partha, was incapable of being vanquished in battle by the gods, the Danavas, the Rakshasas, and the Uragas (together)."

And from adi parva:

"Vaisampayana continued, 'The Pandavas then, having made themselves acquainted with everything connected with him, returned (to the city), and going unto Drona, told him of that wonderful feat of archery which they had witnessed in the woods. Arjuna, in particular, thinking all the while, O king, Ekalavya, saw Drona in private and relying upon his preceptor's affection for him, said, 'Thou hadst lovingly told me, clasping me, to thy bosom, that no pupil of thine should be equal to me. Why then is there a pupil of thine, the mighty son of the Nishada king, superior to me?"

'Vaisampayana continued, 'On hearing these words, Drona reflected for a moment, and resolving upon the course of action he should follow, took Arjuna with him and went unto the Nishada prince. And he beheld Ekalavya with body besmeared with filth, matted locks (on head), clad in rags, bearing a bow in hand and ceaselessly shooting arrows therefrom. And when Ekalavya saw Drona approaching towards him, he went a few steps forward, and touched his feet and prostrated himself on the ground. And the son of the Nishada king worshipping Drona, duly represented himself as his pupil, and clasping his hands in reverence stood before him (awaiting his commands). Then Drona, O king, addressed Ekalavya, saying, 'If, O hero, thou art really my pupil, give me then my fees.' On hearing these words, Ekalavya was very much gratified, and said in reply, 'O illustrious preceptor, what shall I give? Command me; for there is nothing, O foremost of all persons conversant with the Vedas, that I may not give unto my preceptor.' Drona answered, 'O Ekalavya, if thou art really intent on making me a gift, I should like then to have the thumb of thy right hand.'

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01135.htm

This is considered the best complete english translation of Krishna Dwaipayana Mahabharata (BORI critical edition0 done by K.M Ganguli ..

Am actually in the process of reading Bibek Debroy's complete translation as well.

We can all argue about which version is more accurate but that does not get anyone anywhere :-)

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ee adharmalaki..krishna ki kuda maranam tappaledu oka boyavani chetilo..




One more misconception, that was not because of his adharma's it was because of gandhari sapam assuming Krishna is all unfair by not preventing the war and supporting pandavas, She blames Krishna for everything and gives a curse as she was worshiping Krishna with lot of devotion. Here a question might come, how can a human curse god, Gandhari was no normal human being, she got immense power due to her pativratyam..

And Krishna even replies that your curse is already there by other sage..Yadavas have a boon that no one outside yadavas can kill them, only they can kill each other.. So Gandhari's sapam that all yadavas kill themselves like brothers killed each others in Kurukshetra and also Krishna being a Yadav, will get similar death. Krishna says to Gandhari that she is just re-iterating whats going to happen and it happens..
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Hindi sarigga radhu ..Mahabharat with english subtitles unte link pettandi



Telugu vasthee Yupp TV lo now Mahabhartham Telugu version is coming
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Sorry to Deviate thread ..

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but nerchukunna vallani thokkeyataniki dronacharyudu (ekalavya)




This is why I guess the OP asked to discuss based on Vyasa Bharatam not some distorted version,,,

A guru can never have grudge or anyother bad quality for disciples. Thats against the law of being called as Guru.. Some people created this story but the reason why Drona asked his thumb is altogether different.

Once Drona was in the forest with his disciples where ekalavya was living. In the anxiety of seeing him for the first time Ekalavya was going towards Drona. Meanwhile a dog keeps barking at that time and Ekalavya got disturbed with this dog and got irritated, he throws arrow at the mouth of dog to shut it from barking.

This utilization of arrow is against the basic purpose of learning the skill of bow and arrow, Which he lost the basic right to have the skill. He utilized the skill on wrong purpose and wrong object. Coming to know this Drona decided this person is not fit to have the skill and took his thumb.

Rest all that is in circulation is immature perception. A guru in those days are 100% qualified gurus..
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nagastram anukunta




its nagastram..

karnudiki indra iccina weapon ni kuda ghatotshachuni meeda use chepinche tatlu chestadu krishna to save arjun..
karna reerved that weapon only to ue on arjun..but again krishna tricks here to make Bhima son scapegoat to save arjun.

Kurukshetram anta Krishnudi maya..
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Arjun goppatanam kadu..kurukshetram lo gelupu ki karanam..


Completely agree
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nenu anedi adhe..

Arjun goppatanam kadu..kurukshetram lo gelupu ki karanam..

Its krishna tricks..
Krishna (sakshattu GOD) pandavula side vunnadu..eeyana tricks,plans pandavulaku vupayoga paddayi..ante kani arjun goppatanam tho kadu...

Dispite of having so many curses karnunni adhrmam ga (on unethical grounds) champalsi vaccindi..fair battle lo Karnudini defeat cheyyadam arjun valla kadhu anevishayam krishna ki telusu..
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karnudi chavu ki mundu roju na Arjunudi pamba reputadu..appudu astralu pani chesaya karnudi ki..


daniki reason vundi why astralu dont work on 17'th day. Kunti ki promise chestadu that he will use it only once against Arjunaa to kill him. 16'th day vadatadu forgot which astram but Krishna takes the chariot into earth. So as per promise he has used up his astram andhuke next day vadadu.
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time ki sastralu pani cheyyavu anytime any day inkemi fight chestadu ..




only Brahmastram vishayam lo adi..migatha weapons lo kadu..

katti yuddam lo nakuludu ni vodinchevadu ledu..akkada karnudu nakuludini odistadu katti yuddam lo..akkada pani chesaya astralu..

alage dharma raju,sahadevudu ni kuda defeat chestadu..in the area where those are never defeated..

astralu pani cheyyavu ani andam kadu..karnudi chavu ki mundu roju na Arjunudi pamba reputadu..appudu astralu pani chesaya karnudi ki..

astralu pani cheyyaka pote anni velala pani cheyyavu...oka roju pani chesi inko roju pani cheyyaka povadam vundadu...
mari bhishmuni astralu ela panichesayi..whren he is figting from adharma side..
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mathsya yanthram chedhinchaleka poyadu draupadi swayamvaramlo ..




idi krishnude chevutadu..arjun and karna can chase that matsya yantram ani..
its draupathi who rejects karna on the grounds of sutha putra ani..
asalu karnudu arrow ni matsya yantranni kottadaniki release chesinatlu ekkada ledu ..ee version of bharatam lonu ledu..
its krishna who wanted draupathi to get married with arjun instead karna (because he is on adhrma side)..
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Arjuna dharmam side unnadu ..


dharmam side vundi kuda adarmam ga sampindhi evaru? 16'th day of the battle lo Karnudiki chance vundindhi but darmaniki kattubadi hostilities apesadu

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anyways neunu loser ani karnani annadi sapala karanamga .. krushnudu annattu karnuni parajayam venakala 100 stories unnayi .. karma kalite anthe type ..


correct ey karnudi chaavu ki 100 reasons andulo arjunidi goppa tanam em vundi? alage arjuna odipotam kuda kharma bitting him back ey kada?
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Ghandhari sapam to krishna..kuru vamsam ela nasanam ayyindo..alage yadava vamsam nasanam ayyiddi ani sapinchiddi..
adhrmamga kauravulanu champaru (killing of bhishma,drona,karna,dhuryodhana,dussasana etc.)in kurukshetram lo ani..
krishna ku antha telusu ani..kurukshetram outcome antha telusu ani...telisi kuda kurukshetram ni enduku appaledu ani..

adeegaka ramavataram lo vali ki ccina abhyam aa vidham ga (aa boyavani) neraveriddi..
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Arjuna dharmam side unnadu ..
Arjuna losses ante babruvahana uluchi lanti pittakadallo not in original story
anyways neunu loser ani karnani annadi sapala karanamga .. krushnudu annattu karnuni parajayam venakala 100 stories unnayi .. karma kalite anthe type ..
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either way he is a loser to the core ..


Thread antha chadavaledu but Arjuna ki kuda ilanti incidents vunnay so is he also a loser?
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Ghosha yatra lo karna and suyodhna was fully drunken condition.during that time ghandharvulu vacci suyodhanuni bhandinchi tessku potaru....


time ki sastralu pani cheyyavu anytime any day inkemi fight chestadu ..

mathsya yanthram chedhinchaleka poyadu draupadi swayamvaramlo ..

either way he is a loser to the core ..

anyways gatamlo karnudi goppatanam gurinchi pae lu page lu rasinodine nenu kuda ..
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1)draupadi vishayamo karu kuthalu kusadu sabhalo




Draupathi 5 mandi chesukovadam ..krishnude oka noka samdharbham lo tappu padutadu.adi adharmam ani..ante..bharta jati antha oka ri kante ekkumandi ni chesukommani aadarsa prayama ..
jarigina tappuni sari chesovadaniki..one year one pandava thos samsaram ani concept..
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ee adharmalaki..krishna ki kuda maranam tappaledu oka boyavani chetilo..




ee story enti?
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ghosha yatralo ghandarvula chetilo chittu ga vodipoyadu




Ghosha yatra lo karna and suyodhna was fully drunken condition.during that time ghandharvulu vacci suyodhanuni bhandinchi tessku potaru....
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karna sudra issue is more relevant than his virtue for some ...

Rest NTR kulamu kulamu dialog from DVSK:d
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karnidu adharmani ki support chesadu

1)draupadi vishayamo karu kuthalu kusadu sabhalo
2) abhimanyudini adharma yudham lo vodinchadu with saindhavuni help
3)duryodhanudi neechapu pethi alochanala venaka tana tandana group

ivai uudu chalu
charity philanthropy side na ettesai
karna parvamlasted only 3 times

ghosha yatralo ghandarvula chetilo chittu ga vodipoyadu
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Thats why there is Arjuna Award

there is no Karna award for Charity




Bhishma award kuda ledu...

nenu chadivina anni bharatallo kuda Karna Matsya yandranni chedistadu ani vundi along with arjun..but its draupadhi she rejects karna on the grounds of suta putra..even krishna knows this..



Babru vahanudu has defeated and killed arjun..similarly Barbareekudu also...better warrier than arjun..
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Karnudu ajrun tho yuddham chesetappudu...krishnudu karna ni pogudu thu vuntadu because of karna skill ni chusi..karna arrow vadilithe..arjun radham 2 feet back ki velledi..ade arjun arrow vadilithe karna radham 10 feet back ki velledi..
akkada krishna chevutadu arjun..nenu (ante god) vunna radha 2 feet back velladam ante..its so great..

kurukshetram ayinaka..Arjun ki baga balupu vuntundi...vade yuddam gelisadu ani..
appudu krishna arjun balupu taggitadu..arjun radham meeda vunna anjaneyuni vigraham ni tolaginci nappudu aa radham broken into peices..
so final ga akkada arjun realie avutadu..Krishana lekapothe pandavulu defeat ayyvallu ani...
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Bhishma inko 2 days yuddham cheste..pandava defeat certain..
as pandava sena is left with very very less (2 akshauhini from 11 akshauhini)by end of 9th day.
inko 2 days bhishma vunte pandava defeat tappadani 10th day na Bhishmani debbesaru..by unethical grounds..
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Can you show any warrior in Mahabharat who fought with Mahadev and Indra and convincedthem
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Indra tho fight time lo Krishan was there..There indra was not defeated..
Mahadev vishayam lo convince ekkada vundi..tappassu ki pratiphalam ivvadaniki vaccaru..akkada arjun mahadev talent ni chusi realise ayii taggutadu..akkada mahadev ni convince cheyyadam emi ledu..

what i am saying is Kuruksetram lo gelisindi Pandavulu kadu..Krishna..
Krishna weapon pattaka povaccu..but he has planned in such a way that kurus got defeated.
Bhishma vishyam - bhishma marana rahasyam krishna ki telusu..aa rahasyanni pandavulaku cheppadu..but bhishmude tappukune tatlu plan chesadu..
Asalu oka aadadanni addam pettukune stage ki ravasi vaccindi arjunidiki..its not fair battle here..

drona vishyam..same here..krishnuni planning..

Karna visshayam ..arjun maranam tappadu as long as indra iccina aayudham karnudi daggara vunnanta varaku..idi krishna ki telusu..so adi inka evari meedanna use chese tatlu cheyyali.krishna .so...Ghatotkhachudini battle field ki rappinche yerpatu chesindi krishna.....Ghatotkhachudini battle field ki teppichi vadi meedaki indra iccina ayudhanni use chese tatlu chesindi krishna..
remember..Karna sainyadhi pathi ayinake..Ghatotkhachudu ni battle field ki vaccetatlu krishna plan chesaru..
even saindhavudi vishayam..ee vishyam lo arjun pledhe chestadu..suryastamayam lo saindhavudini kill chestanu ani..but he failed..but krishna tana maya tho day lite ni hide chesi,suryastamayam ayyinidi ane bhrama kalpici..saindhavudi bayatiki vaste..appudu malli day lite teppici kill chepistadu..

one more thing..saidhavudi tala kind apadithe arjun sastadu..so again krishna has come to rescue..tala kinda padakunda atani thandri chetilo padetatlu cheyyamani arjunidiki chevutadu..

Krishna ayudham pattavasram ledu..just tips and edutavani charitra telavadam valana avi arjunudiki chepithe chalu..

Fair battle lo arjun gelavaledu on these 3 (bhishma,drona,karna)..

Ghosha episode lo Karna fully drunken ..
virat episode lo peddaga yudham jaraga ledu..its just arjun ni chusamu..ajnathavaamlo..ane mojulo vuni poyaru..its not actual fight..dani ardham..Bhishmudu odinatla akkada...

even suyodhanuni champadam kuta..adharma ga champadame..by violating rules..thodala meeda kotti..
asalu gandhari suyodanuniki body antha diamond chese vidham ga plan chete..krishna velli suyodhanuni keliki hi private parts ni cover chepinchu kune tatlu chepinchadam enduku..

bottom line...Krishna lekapothe pandavulu leru...Dharma yuddam ani cheppi adharmam ga champalsi vaccindi...asalu bhishma ni defeat chesevallu evaranna vunnaraee mullokalalo..sakshattu parusu ram emi cheyyaleka poyadu..
Kurukshetram yuddam antha krishnuni leela..

ee adharmalaki..krishna ki kuda maranam tappaledu oka boyavani chetilo..
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7kondalu:

actual ga defend chesedi, vikarnudu kada. athanu own brother kada suyodhanudiki?


you are right vikarna was brother and yuytsa was step brother....vikarna says game is invalid andukani Draupadi is not daasi.....lekunte pandavas would have become the jailers, no bharatham

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single hand ga defend chesthunnavu gaa karnundni, luv u raja :-)


chala mandi tarasa paddaru, who like arjuna bashing karna
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Thats why there is Arjuna Award

there is no Karna award for Charity




rajeev khel ratna award undi, Lal Bahadur Shastri gari peru meeda emi ledu.
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talli-thandrulu.. especially talli chesey vedhava panulaki pillala jeevithaalu elaa naasanam avuthaayi anataaniki Karna character.
Mottam Mahabharatam revolves around only one aspect - Suyodhan's Greed!!!
A Greedy person should not be a King. It is for the betterment of thousands of generations, ani guddigaa namminanduku... Drona, Kripa, Krishna, Vidhur.. andaru biased towards Pandavas... Dharmam peru cheppukuni adharmam chesinaa.. oka manchi result kosam annattu...Yudhishthir vaddu morroo annaa... No.. No.. You have to be KIng ani godava chesaar. cheyinchaar.. rachhaki yeedchaar!!!
Third most dangerous person is Draupadi. Raakshasa Gunam!!! Lady Hulk!!! She had five husbands, and she wanted Karna as sixth husband!!! She single-handedly scavanged on the dead-bodies after the war!!! She had to be kept under control - emotionally, all the time... and the onus was on the Pandavas!!!
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enti bobby, silk lungi katti weekend ki ready ayipoyyavu appude.


naa dialogue adi
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enti bobby, silk lungi katti weekend ki ready ayipoyyavu appude.
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vyasa bharatham telugu lo edanna undaa meeru suggest chesedi?
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single hand ga defend chesthunnavu gaa karnundni, luv u raja :-)


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but in whole duytha sabha, Dharma is first spoken by drutharasthra son who is step brother to suyodhana not even pandavas or bhishma because they dont know what they did.....He says this whole game is illegal....thats when Pandavas get back everything



actual ga defend chesedi, vikarnudu kada. athanu own brother kada suyodhanudiki?
nuvvu ane step brother yuyutsudu, mahabharatha yuddam lo pandavula pakshana poraduthudaadu kada?
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A person's character takes to test when extreme difficult situation




perfect..
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Anyways Nice discussion Last Avatar, g2g will discuss sometime leater

Arjuna is mentally strong, Karna kaadu anthe teda hence the result
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already kinda cheppanu kada annai,




sorry ..miss ayanu..
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Manam Arjundu winner ani perspective lo chustunam




Intially i used to see him with that perspective. But when i do a deep dive into his character Arjuna is way superior in character to Karna

A person's character takes to test when extreme difficult situation
Both faced insults and difficulties, but both choose to react differently
that matters
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Rightly Said. Same would have happened to Arjuna had he been on aDHARMA sIDE
Leaving Astras alone Arjuna is superior Archery Skills over all

- Ambidextrous
- Ability to release hundrend of arrows with in short time
- Maschyantra bedhanam (where karna also failed)
- Ability to tie the bow rope back before the enmy cuts the rope and releases another arrow
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main drawback karna side emiti ante..he is not following dharma..evaru dharmam ni follow avaledo vallaki enta skill vunaa survive avaru..


already kinda cheppanu kada annai,

Karna perspective veru, arjuna perspective veru

Manam Arjundu winner ani perspective lo chustunam, vyakthulu veru situations veru, results veru
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Drona taught speaicl skills to only those deciples who has ability to go futher. He did the same to his some. But Aswarthama was not even a half match to Arjun, Drona Knows

Aswarthama forced Drons to be on Kuru side other wise threatned to end his life


Drona never shared his anguish on his friend to Aswathama, drona promised wonderful future to Aswathama, aswathama found it with Duryodhana's friendship

Drona never wanted his son to go fight with his friend in process he did not want his son to be killed.....Drona prepared Arjuna for his revenge - selfish ki saripotundi anukunta
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he could have taught the extra skills to Aswathama instead of Arjuna




arjunudu forest lo vundetappuduu chala vidyalu nerchukonnadu..sivudu daggira spl astralu teesukonnadu..indrudu daggiraki velladu..

main drawback karna side emiti ante..he is not following dharma..evaru dharmam ni follow avaledo vallaki enta skill vunaa survive avaru..
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Drupada after relaizing his mstake requests drona to teach his son
But by that time devthas have already given this son to kill drona

Drona , an gyaani knowns this but still taught him full set of skills
Beauty of a true Guru
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Like many father in the old age. Drona was ver passionate toward his late age born son. As he could not provide food to his kid in the child hood due to povery.

This vyamoham blinded him upto some extent , Durodhan made Aswarthama a king for small territory to keep him as his buddy. So Aswarthama started supporting what are all Duryodhan doind.

Drona taught speaicl skills to only those deciples who has ability to go futher. He did the same to his some. But Aswarthama was not even a half match to Arjun, Drona Knows

Aswarthama forced Drons to be on Kuru side other wise threatned to end his life
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even to drustadyumna whom he know that he is gonna kill him


I dont think he is a disciple of Drona
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Kaadu Annai. He has a waekness to Son , even though knowing all vedas and knowledge and on par warrior to Bheeshma

So that is the adharma from his side, as teacher he should not participate in the war, but he sucemmned to Aswarthama pressure

But greates quality of Guru drona is he taught the skills to all equally without any partiality even to drustadyumna whom he know that he is gonna kill him




ok nee statements thone veldam, drona taught skills equally adi kuda accepted.....he could have taught the extra skills to Aswathama instead of Arjuna, why not make Aswathama go war on his Friend
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drutharasthra parvam unda


he never lead the war
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Annai - he named the parvas according the the chief of the arm of the Kuru clan.


aa migitha parvas lo example dron parvam lo drona friendship story etc etc chebutadu....but in karna parvam vyasa links Karna to pandavas, to reason us during previous parvas why always Karna is advertised as competitor for arjuna
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Drona is selfish




Kaadu Annai. He has a waekness to Son , even though knowing all vedas and knowledge and on par warrior to Bheeshma

So that is the adharma from his side, as teacher he should not participate in the war, but he sucemmned to Aswarthama pressure

But greates quality of Guru drona is he taught the skills to all equally without any partiality even to drustadyumna whom he know that he is gonna kill him
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sachin,
Asalu original stories ekkada unayi sir, everything is interpretted and passed on. Who wrote the original story, vinayakudu. if for a sec we assume this is truth how is it passed to the next human being?

Valmiki did not write lava kusa madyalo vachina valu kaliparu, same annagaru ante ayina interpreted and made a movie.
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Annai - he named the parvas according the the chief of the arm of the Kuru clan.

Virata parvam kuda undi ga. There is no arjuna parvam ot Krishna Parvam

So this naming is nothing to do with thier abilities
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Bongaram:

yuddam lo kauravula side evaru lead cheste vallaki oka parvam undi..

salya parvam kooda undi


drutharasthra parvam unda
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I don't know Sonyvaio. But Bheesma knows the birth secret of Karna apart from Krishna. Bheesma and Drona are so Great


Drona is selfish man so he died in the war, bheesma is dharma follower who has chosen his own death.

Bheeshma wanted karna not learn dhanur vidya because, during the process he will not settle with what god has given to him.....Human Soul should accept his condition and then live.....karna was not doing that
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Sonyvaio:

but Vyasa has written a special Parvatha on Karna and talked about him enduku antav


yuddam lo kauravula side evaru lead cheste vallaki oka parvam undi..

salya parvam kooda undi
OT on OT : NTR bomma pettakunda few months gadipi , dikku leka malli NTR bomma ke mokkadam modalettina kukka CBN fans ikkada....

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