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7kondalu:

another interesting character in mahabharatha is aswaththamaa.

although he is one of the great warriors, after the war every one condemns the acts of aswatthama (killing un-born babies of upa-panadavas, and killing upapandavas while they are sleeping.). one saying is, aswaththama went to middle-east and settled there teaching the warrior skills.




ashwatthama is born with a shiromani on his forehead so he cannot die, the entire mahabharata way he lives because of this diamond. when all the kauravas are dead he kills the upa-pandavas and then shoots the bramhastra at arjuna when he is chased by him to avenge the deaths of their children(draupadi's). Arjuna then reciprocates by using the pashupatham against the bramhastram, if the two astras would have been successful the whole world would end, so the devas persuade both of them to stop it and iddarini 'upasamharam' cheyamani adugutaru, however aswhattama does not know how to do it and so he is given a choice of directing it elsewhere. Ashwattama directs it against uttara(abhimanyu's wife's) womb where the only heir of pandavas is alive ( Pariskhita) the unborn baby takes the bramhastra and is dead but Sri krishna revives him so that the pandava lineage continues.

Bhima i think then tears of the shiromani from his head but does not kill him and he is banished and cursed to live eternally in the mrutyuloka(earth) until he achieves salvation (he is supposed to be a leper living somewhere)
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another interesting character in mahabharatha is aswaththamaa.

although he is one of the great warriors, after the war every one condemns the acts of aswatthama (killing un-born babies of upa-panadavas, and killing upapandavas while they are sleeping.). one saying is, aswaththama went to middle-east and settled there teaching the warrior skills.
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Kamal:

then he thinks about it and realizes that no Brahmin can bear that kind of a pain and asks Karna to tell the truth of his birth to which he reveals ! Enraged that Karna lied to him, Parasurama curses Karna that he will forget the art of archery when he is in utter need !




I dont think karna knows his janma rahasyam at that time. only after cursing karna, parasurama realizes the mistake and gives him some other astraas.


Mvssr75:


Every Guy Bheeshma, Drona Karna is wendowed with some or other "divine booms". It is Arjun who is mere human / with sheer skills and attitude , Got the divine to be his rider.




arjuna ki kooda indruni help undi kada, also arjuna was the favorite of drona, the best teacher after parasuraama and he is the brother in law of krishna (the great rajanitigna at that time). valliddari help kooda chaala undi kada.
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Vjavasi:

Firstly, Karna defeated Bhima but left him alive saying that as he (Karna) is elder to him (Bhima), he won't kill him. Then he went to Yudhisthira and also defeated him but left him alive by saying that "It seems that you have forgotten all the teachings which your guru has taught you, so first go and practice those and then come to fight". After that Karna defeated Nakula and Sahedeva but didn't kill them since he had promised his mother to spare the lives of all the Pandava brothers except Arjuna.


Ee underlined mukkedo andariki varthistadi kadaa.. mallee yudishtir ki oka logic.. bhima ki oka logic enduku..
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Vjavasi:

Yudhishtira in particular is furious with his mother, and curses all women to never be able to keep a secret from that point on.



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actually .. drushti kaadu anukunta annai ..

when the bug bites Karna .. and Parasurama sleeping with his head on the lap of Karna, the wound of the bug starts to bleed heavily .. but Karna bears the pain and does not even move an inch, so as to not disturb his teacher sleeping on his lap !

Once Parasurama wakes up .. he realizes that Karna was injured severely and that he did not move an inch, not disturbing his sleep .. he feels great about it and gives him the bow "Vijaya" .. then he thinks about it and realizes that no Brahmin can bear that kind of a pain and asks Karna to tell the truth of his birth to which he reveals ! Enraged that Karna lied to him, Parasurama curses Karna that he will forget the art of archery when he is in utter need !

This is the one I read !




1. you are right about karna not disturbing Parashurama in the sleep and after waking up he is happy but realizes that a brahmin does not have that kind of capacity to bear the pain and curses him thinking he must be a kshatriya. Karna by his very appearance resembles a warrior because of his sahaja kavacha kundalas.

2. Karna explains to parasurama that he is a suta putra and not a kshatriya. Parashurama then looks through his divya drishti and realizes that Karna was actually speaking the truth, however he had already cursed Karna and could not take it back. So he grants him vijaya bow which makes him invincible when it is in his hands and the bharghava astram. please note that karna was killed when he left his arms in the chariot while he was trying to get the wheels out of the earth and not otherwise.

karna was basically destined to die, the reason being Karna in his previous birth was 'sahasra kavacha' a asura who had the boon of 1000 kavachas with a boon that it should take anybody to fight him for 1000 years to take one kavacha and he would die only after all the 1000 kavachas are broken. inka sahasra kavachudu rechi poyi as usual started creating problems and he also steals the kundalas belonging to Aditi.

Narasimha avatara meanwhile happened where vishnu gets rid of hiryanyakashyapa then the avatara spilts in to Nara and narayana. So when one of them performs penance for 1000 years the other fights Sahasra kavacha and destroys the kavachas. Totally 999 kavachas are destroyed in that way and finally mana sahasra kavacha ki shake so he runs and asks 'Surya' for protection. Suryudu gives protection. Intalo akkada bhoolokam lo Kunti garu thinks of Surya using the mantram given by Veda Vyasa. Surya is happy and appears before kunti with the baby and that is how 'Karna' is born / there is another information on this which says 'Kunti' being protected by the mantra which promised 'maindenhood' the baby is actually born from her 'ear' which is why is he called 'Karna'

Karna born as surya putra gets all the qualities of surya (who always gives without asking for anything) so despite having all the good qualities he had to die as he is an 'asura'. }
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Kamal:

Once Parasurama wakes up .. he realizes that Karna was injured severely and that he did not move an inch, not disturbing his sleep .. he feels great about it and gives him the bow "Vijaya" .. then he thinks about it and realizes that no Brahmin can bear that kind of a pain and asks Karna to tell the truth of his birth to which he reveals ! Enraged that Karna lied to him, Parasurama curses Karna that he will forget the art of archery when he is in utter need !




This is the one I know too.
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Okahyderabadi:




Boss - Don't understimate the Victory of Arjun in Virataparvam. He won the battle hands down with all the great warriors on the other side, except Bheeshma, who respects the sammohana Astra.

Every Guy Bheeshma, Drona Karna is wendowed with some or other "divine booms". It is Arjun who is mere human / with sheer skills and attitude , Got the divine to be his rider.

Where is karna's greatest skills, when he back stabbed "the youngest warrior"
Karna also used many Astra's on Arjun. What would have happened had Arjun used Pasupatastra on Karna.

Karna comes only next to Bheeshma, Drona and Abhimanu and Equals Arjun. There is also some stories that Karna couln't hot MastyaYantra.

Karna's Curse Cam only on the day he died, not before. Natural Protection lekunda kooda Karna is very effective.

Karna is incarnation of Sahasra Kavachasura, a Rakshs, who fought with Nara, Narayan and loses 999 kavachas and when he thinks he is about to loose, enters the Kunthi's womb when Sun is about to give her a child.
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Okahyderabadi:

It was Indra again who comes in form of the bug that bites Karna leading to parasurama realizing through his drushti that Karna is actually a kshatriya by birth and curses him.




actually .. drushti kaadu anukunta annai ..

when the bug bites Karna .. and Parasurama sleeping with his head on the lap of Karna, the wound of the bug starts to bleed heavily .. but Karna bears the pain and does not even move an inch, so as to not disturb his teacher sleeping on his lap !

Once Parasurama wakes up .. he realizes that Karna was injured severely and that he did not move an inch, not disturbing his sleep .. he feels great about it and gives him the bow "Vijaya" .. then he thinks about it and realizes that no Brahmin can bear that kind of a pain and asks Karna to tell the truth of his birth to which he reveals ! Enraged that Karna lied to him, Parasurama curses Karna that he will forget the art of archery when he is in utter need !

This is the one I read !
Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe ..
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Vjavasi:



Karna is a great personality ..there is no doubt in that...however from his childhood he started comparing himself with arjuna.....don't know why he hated arjuna so much ...he spent all his energy to counter arjuna




1. Karna and arjuna's rivalry can be at most be termed as professional to start with. We all known karna approached Dronacharya to be accepted as disciple but was turned down citing that he is not a brahmana or kshatriya. Actually 'Suta' is not a shudra as depicted and according to Manu Dharma anybody could become a Kshatriya or Brahmana or any thing by just studying the necessary arts. Dronacharya was single minded in his thought since he had seen Arjuna a little earlier and decided to make him the best archer. Karna and Ekalavya had to pay for this single minded pursuit of Drona trying to make Arjuna as the best.

2. Karna goes to Parasurama who was the guru of Drona, Bheeshma to learn the martial arts but parasurama does not teach kshatriya's so he asks Karna was he a kshatriya to which he replies. It was Indra again who comes in form of the bug that bites Karna leading to parasurama realizing through his drushti that Karna is actually a kshatriya by birth and curses him. He then realizes that when karna tells him he is a Suta putra and then presents him the 'Vijaya' bow which is unbreakable and when is in the hands of warrior he will be undefeatable, he also teaches him all the divine astras including the Bhramhastram and Bharghavastram.

3. karna again gets humiliated by Kritavarma and others in the demonstration after the completion of training where he more than matches Arjuna's skills but has to stay down in a one-one combat with Arjuna since Kritavarma brings up the question of his ancestory. One more reason for the professional rivalry to gain strength

ila chala reasons to show that it is professional rivalry and not anything else even at the end when he comes to know that pandava's are his brothers he sticks to his word 'there cannot be two best archers in world its either him or me'.
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Vjavasi:




Thanks brother
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Vjavasi:

krishna's choice





sorry read it as arjuna's choice
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bava eppudu vachitivi padyam in shrikrishna rayabharam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkHpY-p3KYc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ1ty_pibBo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj3YbZlItIQ&feature=related

the most important reason why kaurava's lost the battle of kurukshetra is the choice arjuna made when krishna offered arjuna and duryodhana to choose between himself and his strong army of 9000 yodhaas.....when asked to choose first arjuna asked for krishna's help and you can see from the video that duryodhan was delighted with krishna's choice...krishna's 9000 yodha's fought on the side of kauravas in the battle
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Senapathy:



Mee posts chala bagunnayi, enjoyed reading them. Mee background ento telusukovoccha? Just curious.. Meeru emaina books chadivara for the information.

Mahabharatam and Ramayana books lo most authentic and easily available emiti. Want to read them.




naadhi engineering background brother.....telugulo chadavali anukunte ushashri vi baguntaayi (both ramayanam and bharatham)......english aithe (raja gopala chari) vi parledhu general idea techukovataniki chadavavachu....rajagopalachari books telugulo kooda translate chesaaru...originals chadavali ante gita press gorakhpur vaalla publications try cheyyandi dorakavachu




morning mahabharatam links adigaaru....rajagopalachari search cheste aayana Mahabharat book pdf link dorikindhi


http://www.gita-society.com/bhagavad-gita-section3/mahabhara ta.pdf
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Okahyd and Vjavasi,

Mee posts chala bagunnayi, enjoyed reading them. Mee background ento telusukovoccha? Just curious.. Meeru emaina books chadivara for the information.

Mahabharatam and Ramayana books lo most authentic and easily available emiti. Want to read them.
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krishna rayabharam scene in krishnavataram movie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrVUuwUOeUA&feature=related
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Okahyderabadi:



oh vow hold on, akkada gandharvulu only Duryodhana and his immediate circle ni defeat chestaru, there is no karna there. Chitrasena Karnudu ni defeat cheyaledu since he was not there simple, mana telugu movies punyama ani manaki oka misconception.




wikipedia lo karnudu kooda vunnadi ani vundhi

also in this link
http://moralstories.wordpress.com/2006/08/08/ghosha-yaatra/
Ghosha Yaatra

One who tries to spoil others will himself get spoilt. This was very true in case of Duryodhana. Right from childhood Duryodhana, Dusshaasana, Karna and Shakuni (Dushtachatushtayam) tried to harm the Paandavas in many many ways. This episode happened during the Vanavaasam of the Paandavas.

Once Duryodhana, who didnt want to let Paandavas live peacefully even in their vanavaasam, asked his guudhachaari to inform himself about the whereabouts, dina-charya etc. of the Paandavas. The guudhachaaris performed their duty and reported like this:

“Arya! According to your aagnya we searched all forests. We enquired all the things you asked for. Dharmaraaja is doing many Yaagas, Vratas. Currently he is doing a Divya Yaagam by name ‘Sadyaskadam’, with the help of Munisâ€. Listening to this news Duryodhana got Mati-bhramanam. He thought if we let these Paandavas continue to do such Yaagas, Vratas and get many siddhis then it will be still more difficult to kill them. He wanted to destroy the Yaagam somehow. Since it was already late, all of them started to the forests immediately. Duryodhana told the Kuru-kula-vruddhas like Bheeshmaacharya, Dronaachaarya that they were going for Ghosha-Yaatra (and told nothing about disturbing the Paandavas). In Ghosha-Yaatra, the King goes to see the Yoga-kshemam of the Gomaatas in his Raajyam. They telling that it is Ghosha-Yaatra, instead of going to Go-shaalas, reached the forests and tried to camp near the place where Paandavas were doing the Yaagam.

Duryodhana ordered to put tents around the Sarovaram (that was near by). Immediately Gandharva-veeras appeared and said like this “O muurkha-maanavas! This area in currently under the control of the Gandharva-Raaja Chitrasena (Chitrasena was the Gandharva who taught Arjuna Naatyam, when he went to Indra-lokam). No one must(can) enter this. Please go away. Else we will kill youâ€. The ahankaari, Duryodhana, didnt like these words. He ordered his sainyam to occupy by force. Immediately many many Gandharva-veeras came there and a big Yuddham started between Gandharvas and Duryodhana, Dushshaasana, Karna aadi Kaurava-veeras. In no time Chitrasena defeated the Kaurava sena. Kaurava Naayakas like Duryodhana, Dushshaasana and Karna were lying unconscious. Kaurava Raanis, with Bhayam, ordered the sainikas to go and request Paandavas, the Dharma-vartis, for help. Listening to the aartanaadam of the Kaurava-sainikas, one of the first to respond was Draupadi.

Draupadi said “I think helping our bandhu-janam in their kashta-kaalam is goodâ€. Yudhishthira, the Dharma-nandana, immediately asked his brothers to go and help the Kauravas. Yudhishthira-anujas replied “Priya Bhraata! we will immediately go and save Kauravas from Gandharvas and come backâ€. They did Namaskaaram to Yudhishthira and went to Chitrasena.

In no time Bhiima-arjuna defeated the Gandharvas, Chitrasena and released the Kauravas. Seeing the super-human Bala-paraakramas of Arjuna, Chitrasena praised Arjuna and requested them to grant him the Darshanam of Yudhishthira, the Dharma-muurti. With aanandam, Bhiima-arjuna took Chitrasena along with Kauravas to Dharmaraaja. Seeing Yudhishthira, Chitrasena did pranaamam and said

“O Dharmanandana! Knowing that Duryodhana aadi Kauravas planned to do apakaaram to you, Devendra sent me here to stop them. However, with a Vishaala-hrudayam, you sent your brothers to save these paapaatmasâ€.

Even after knowing the kutila-buddhi of Duryodhana, Dharmaraaja didnt show any disrespect to him. He freed him from the bandhas, did hita-bodha and sent them away. Taking along with him Karna, Dushshaasana and other Kauravas, who bent their heads down with shy, Duryodhana left for Hastinaapuram.

Morals in the story:

1. People who try to do bad to others will face difficulties themselves. Duryodhana, who was burning with Asuuya, Iirsha tried to harm the Paandavas; instead he got ghora-apamaanam.
2. The Kshama gunam of Dharmaraaja is well shown in the story. Uttama purushas do Upakaaram even to an Apakaari.
3. The Dharmya-vartanam of Draupadi and Paandavas is once again shown in this story. They immediately helped the Kauravas, who were in trouble, though always Kauravas tried to destroy them. Draupadi devi deserves a very special mention because, she helped the Kauravas even though they did the great insult of her in the way of her Vastraapakarshana.
4. Knowing that elders like Bhishma, Drona will say “no†if they know the truth that Kauravas are going to disturb the Paandavas, the Kauravas told that they were going for Ghosha-Yaatra. Telling lies is a very bad thing.





Okahyderabadi:


Arjuna chetilo gandheevam eppudu untundi since the day one of the war there is no break in that. Gandeevam is unbreakable.




wikipedia lo bhisma meedha vunna article lo destroy chesinattu vundhi....nenu kooda ninnane chadivaanu idhi...intaku mundu aithe ekkada vinaledu chadavaledhu






Okahyderabadi:



Karna is supposed to have supported all the misdeeds of duryodhana which is also false. He is suryaputra the embodiment of truth and can never do wrong. His only mistake is -unflinching loyalty to duryodhana and severing of Abhimanyu's dhanassu from behind.





Karna is a great personality ..there is no doubt in that...however from his childhood he started comparing himself with arjuna.....don't know why he hated arjuna so much ...he spent all his energy to counter arjuna
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Vjavasi:

Okahyderabadi:


There is an argument that Arjuna defeated Bheesma, drona etc all of them in Uttara gograhanam time and he is better than Bheeshma. One thing we have to remember is Bheeshma was just fighting in the containment mode as he promised not to kill any of the Pandavas, it fact Arjunidi meeda banalu vesi entaga chitakottadu ante, Sri krishna himself got up and started to use weapons 2 times to counter Bheeshma when he was stopped by Arjuna.



adhi kooda defeat ee kadha...aa time lo arjunudu sikhandi roopamu chalinchi gandeevamu tho manchi oopulo vuntaadu....ee psots lone mention chesinattu gandharvulu kaurava sena mottanni (including karna) bandinchinappudu arjunudu fight chesi vallani defeat chesi kauravas ni rescue chesttadu....kurkshetra lo karnudi to battle appatiki arjunudu already day one nunchi fight chestunnadu...plus karnudi to battle appatiki gandeevam chetilo ledhu...bheesmudu to battle appudu virigipotundhi...ofcourse bheesmudini minchina warriors mahabharatam lo leru......inka radham lekunda arjun ni battle lo face cheyyatam kastam...anduke karnudu agamantadu ratham lepataniki




oh vow hold on, akkada gandharvulu only Duryodhana and his immediate circle ni defeat chestaru, there is no karna there. Chitrasena Karnudu ni defeat cheyaledu since he was not there simple, mana telugu movies punyama ani manaki oka misconception.

Arjuna chetilo gandheevam eppudu untundi since the day one of the war there is no break in that. Gandeevam is unbreakable.

Karna is supposed to have supported all the misdeeds of duryodhana which is also false. He is suryaputra the embodiment of truth and can never do wrong. His only mistake is -unflinching loyalty to duryodhana and severing of Abhimanyu's dhanassu from behind.
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There is an argument that Arjuna defeated Bheesma, drona etc all of them in Uttara gograhanam time and he is better than Bheeshma. One thing we have to remember is Bheeshma was just fighting in the containment mode as he promised not to kill any of the Pandavas, it fact Arjunidi meeda banalu vesi entaga chitakottadu ante, Sri krishna himself got up and started to use weapons 2 times to counter Bheeshma when he was stopped by Arjuna.




adhi kooda defeat ee kadha...aa time lo arjunudu sikhandi roopamu chalinchi gandeevamu tho manchi oopulo vuntaadu....ee psots lone mention chesinattu gandharvulu kaurava sena mottanni (including karna) bandinchinappudu arjunudu fight chesi vallani defeat chesi kauravas ni rescue chesttadu....kurkshetra lo karnudi to battle appatiki arjunudu already day one nunchi fight chestunnadu...plus karnudi to battle appatiki gandeevam chetilo ledhu...bheesmudu to battle appudu virigipotundhi...ofcourse bheesmudini minchina warriors mahabharatam lo leru......inka radham lekunda arjun ni battle lo face cheyyatam kastam...anduke karnudu agamantadu ratham lepataniki
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I think DVSK and some of NTR's movies messed up the known things to a large extent. Though I admire his acting prowess NTR managed to distort the script to a large extent to suit his portrayal of the roles in all the movies he acted in.


In the Mahabharatam times there were only 5 Athirathas.

Athiratha ante, oke sari 60,000 warriors tho fight chesi defeat cheya gala capability unna vallu. Bhishma, Drona, Krishna, Karna and Arjuna were the 5 athiratha's.

Now you understand why Bheeshma pitamaha insulted Karna as artharatha because he knows that Pandava army effectively has only one Athiratha -Arjuna, Krishna has promised not to take up arms so that leaves the rest of the Athiratha's in Kaurava army which if all of them participate in the war then it means anhilation of Pandava army. Moreover, Bheeshma already promised he will not kill any of the pandavas, karna did the same thing as well as Dronacharya who said he will capture Yudhistira to end the war.

cut cheste

Bheeshma, Drona and Karna have some things in common

1. all three were Athiratha's
2. None in Pandava Army could kill them in straight battle, Bheeshma because of his Icha Maranam , Drona because of this prowess and Karna was immortal and invincible against all celestial weapons with the Kavacham and kundalams that were part of his body
3. All three were students of Parashurama
4. All three were duty bound to help Kauravas rather than anything

Now lets come to Karna's qualities

1. Karna was surya putra and had all the good qualities of all the pandavas put together
2. Karna was afflicted by the some things that happened for no fault of his
a) His guru parusharama's curse
b) bhoo devi's curse
c) brahmin's curse
d) indra begging for his kavacha and kundalas
e) krishna informing karna that he is the big brother of pandavas and pretty
much causing love towards them
f) kunti asking him to spare pandavas
g) shakti reserved for karna got used against ghatotgacha
h) nagastram (ashwasena takshakudi koduku) missed target due to krishna depressing the chariot and karna refusing to use it second time
i) karna leaving all the 4 pandavas without harming them when the war would
have been over if karna captured Yudhistira instead of letting him go
after defeating him
j) at the end Arjuna killed him while his arms were down and he was trying to
get this chariot out of ground. i dont understand though why he was hell bent on getting in to the chariot while he could get in to any other or fight standing. anyway need to research on this thing.


There is an argument that Arjuna defeated Bheesma, drona etc all of them in Uttara gograhanam time and he is better than Bheeshma. One thing we have to remember is Bheeshma was just fighting in the containment mode as he promised not to kill any of the Pandavas, it fact Arjunidi meeda banalu vesi entaga chitakottadu ante, Sri krishna himself got up and started to use weapons 2 times to counter Bheeshma when he was stopped by Arjuna.




Most important thing is in that episode Arjuna used the 'Sanmohana astram' which put everybody in to trance/sleep and before they could recover he led the cattle away free.


Direct battle between Arjuna and Karna lo karnudu vesina banam debbaki Arjunidi ratham adi oka few inches venaki vellindi, arjunudu veste konni adugulu venakki veltundi appudu Arjuna is angry when Krishna praises Karna. Krisha explains
nee ratham mottam Bramhandam weight undi because it has Krishna and Hanuman where as Karna's ratham only has him and his ratha sarathi.


inka chala discussion cheyali manamu, let us take this thread forward, I have more points to share
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mama complete mahabaratam online ekkadana dorukutunda evaranna cheppandi



mahabharatam ekkada kanipinchaledu online...telugulo undi motham..kaani grandhikam lo undi..padyalatho..emi ardham kaadu..

ramayanam maathram motham undi ikkada..
http://www.valmikiramayan.net/

happy ga chaduvukovachu...:-)
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online ekkada full mahabharat kanipinchaledu brother....different characters gurunchi wikipedialo chadvachu
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mama complete mahabaratam online ekkadana dorukutunda evaranna cheppandi
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sukhdev is son of vyasa....he explained bhagavatham to Parikshit for seven days before his death caused by a curse




thanks for clarifying.

on a lighter note, ee vyasudu theda ga unnadu. mottham mahabharatham anthaa thana varasule. writing , fighting , even story telling kooda same family na :-)
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indulo andari goppathanamu entho kontha telusu kaani, never heard of sukadeva gosvami.





sukhdev is son of vyasa....he explained bhagavatham to Parikshit for seven days before his death caused by a curse
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Kamal:

ayyo .. nenu chadavaledu mastaru ! chadavaali eppudo ! thx for letting me know !




chadavandi, chaala interesting ga untundi. kaani yuddhaparvam ayipoyaaka oka rakamaina depression vasthundi.

intha goppa yuddham lo gelichi dharmaraaju baapukunnadi emitaa ani.
aa depression thagginchataani ki anukunta, bhishmudu, dharmaraaju vaalla ki cheppe dharma rahasyaalu untaayi at the end.
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12 mahajan's

Lord Brahma, Bhagavan Narada, Lord Siva, the four Kumaras, Lord Kapila [the son of Devahuti], Svayambhuva Manu, Prahlada Maharaja, Janaka Maharaja, Bhisma, Bali Maharaja, Sukadeva Gosvami, Yamadharma raja




indulo andari goppathanamu entho kontha telusu kaani, never heard of sukadeva gosvami.
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Rendo Sari - Indirect ga, I mean they all get caught by Yaksha's in gilr teasing and Pandavas come for rescue
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Karna lost 2 battles to Arjun beore Mahabharat Battle,





okati virata parvam lo uttara go grahanam battle...rendo sari ekkada vodipothadu brother
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Okahyderabadi:

http://www.grahamhancock.com/forum/BadrinaryanB1.php




Yeah chadivanu ...

That there was a city that was submerged is not ahuge stretch of imagination - given the proximity to the Indus valley civilization...

Was it the mythical Dwaraka anedi anybody's guess :-)

I have been to Dwaraka, the current one , that is :-)

No idea who can get you Tilak's book ...meeku teliste naku kuda cheppandi and I will check as well.
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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thanks

here is the link i quoted which has some updated info

http://www.grahamhancock.com/forum/BadrinaryanB1.php

pls give ur views.

btw. ORION by B.G Tilak reliable sources ship chese varu unte cheptara if possible?
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Vjavasi:

fobidden archaelogy video choodandi...vallaku ardham kanivi anni natural formations antaaru




Have seen that one before...There are many such videos- on coneheads, panspermia etc.. going both ways ..so what we believe depends on our predisposition...:-)


Okahyderabadi:




Great posts - hats off to your patience:-)

Coming to Graham Hancock's site- here's the link to the article I mentioned earlier...
http://members.cox.net/pyrophyllite/geofact.html
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jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Okahyderabadi:

The accuracy of one Kala in a year is not adequate. To therefore obtain an accuracy of one two-hundredth of a Kala in a year, a period that is two hundred times 21,600 or 4,320,000 years is necessary. The first number of 21,600 years is the real time and the other number of 4,320,000 years taken for Mahayuga is the frame time or the non-real time.




adhe brother 4,320,000 years real time kadhu ani cheppataniki tilak gariki source material enti




idi tilak garu quote chesindi kadu.

Yuga is A 1,000th part of a Kalpa. An age of the World of which there are four, and the series of which proceed in succession during the manvantaric cycle. Each Yuga is preceded by a period called in the Puranas Sandhya, twilight, or transition period, and is followed by another period of like duration called Sandhyansa, "portion of twilight". Each is equal to one-tenth of the Yuga. The group of four Yugas is first computed by the divine years, or " years of the gods" - each such year being equal to 360 years of mortal men. Thus we have, in "divine" years:


1. Krita or Satya Yuga - - - 4,000
Sandhya - - - - 400
Sandhyansa - - - - 400
4,800

2. Treta Yuga - - - - 3,000
Sandhya - - - - 300
Sandhyansa - - - - 300
3,600

3. Dwapara Yuga - - - 2,000
Sandhya - - - - 200
Sandhyansa - - - - 200
2,400

4. Kali Yuga - - - - 1,000
Sandhya - - - - 100
Sandhyansa - - - - 100
1,200

Total 12,000

This rendered in years of mortals equals:

4800 X 360 = 1,728,000
3600 X 360 = 1,296,000
2400 X 360 = 864,000
1200 X 360 = 432,000

Total 4,320,000 (one mahayuga)

ikkada 31600 ki 4320000 ki link missing, emaina logic toste ettandi
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video kooda atanide antaara...andulo maatladina experts ki sambhandam ledo kadha....vedic civilization ni asalu refer ee cheyyaledhu


Mottham video choodaledu but starting lo vasthaadu ayana. But, he believes that his findings concur with the theories of origins of humanity in vedas and thats why he calls himself vedic archeologist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Cremo
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Ishan:

Michael Cremo, the author of that book is a hard core Isckonite, known as Drutakarma Dasa.





video kooda atanide antaara...andulo maatladina experts ki sambhandam ledo kadha....vedic civilization ni asalu refer ee cheyyaledhu
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Rama's Birth Date 4th December



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ee video ki iskcon ki sambandam ledhu ani anukuntunna...


Michael Cremo, the author of that book is a hard core Isckonite, known as Drutakarma Dasa.
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Okahyderabadi:

The accuracy of one Kala in a year is not adequate. To therefore obtain an accuracy of one two-hundredth of a Kala in a year, a period that is two hundred times 21,600 or 4,320,000 years is necessary. The first number of 21,600 years is the real time and the other number of 4,320,000 years taken for Mahayuga is the frame time or the non-real time.





adhe brother 4,320,000 years real time kadhu ani cheppataniki tilak gariki source material enti
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yeah, Ramayanam meeda oka thed, mahabharatam meeda oka thed veyyali. I am just starting one dedicated thread for Ramayanam here and will continue posting there, some of the material from here will repeat there/



kachitamga veyyandi mama meeku veelunapudu...manaki teliyani vishayalu teslukovachu...thanks:-)
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Ishan:

Is this info from bhagavata purana?





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12 mahajan's

Lord Brahma, Bhagavan Narada, Lord Siva, the four Kumaras, Lord Kapila [the son of Devahuti], Svayambhuva Manu, Prahlada Maharaja, Janaka Maharaja, Bhisma, Bali Maharaja, Sukadeva Gosvami, Yamadharma raja


Is this info from bhagavata purana?
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http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/news/watch/v18376 913ZCprjW6r




ee video ki iskcon ki sambandam ledhu ani anukuntunna....it doesn't talk about vedic civilization at all...it talks about archaelogical findings
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yeah, Ramayanam meeda oka thed, mahabharatam meeda oka thed veyyali. I am just starting one dedicated thread for Ramayanam here and will continue posting there, some of the material from here will repeat there/
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mahabharath yuddham tharuvatha, dharmaraju ki raju duties, also manishi jeevanam gurinchi chebuthaadu babai... too much depth untundi.




ayyo .. nenu chadavaledu mastaru ! chadavaali eppudo ! thx for letting me know !
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12 mahajan's

Lord Brahma, Bhagavan Narada, Lord Siva, the four Kumaras, Lord Kapila [the son of Devahuti], Svayambhuva Manu, Prahlada Maharaja, Janaka Maharaja, Bhisma, Bali Maharaja, Sukadeva Gosvami, Yamadharma raja
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chaala manchi thread...ee vishayalu ani malli teliyacheppinanduku thanks vjavasi mama:-)
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No brothern, link unte pettandi. Usual ga ee Isckon vallu create chesinavi I always take with a grain of salt.
All generalizations have exceptions, including this one
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Vishnu Sahasranaamam cheppadu manaki !




mahabharath yuddham tharuvatha, dharmaraju ki raju duties, also manishi jeevanam gurinchi chebuthaadu babai... too much depth untundi.


kaani mahabharatha yuddham gurinchi chadivithe naaku chaala badha :-(
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bheesma ni minchina character ekkada vundhi annai mahabharat lo...bheeshma ni talichinappudu alla kallalo neellu vastayi... he is one of twelve mahajans




out of curiousity, other eleven evaru babai ?

also manam shatchakravarthulu antaamu kada, anulo ramudu undadu. he is counted in another list with 16kings anukunta.. kudirithe adi kooda konchem cheppandi..


bayata ki vellali babai, malli matladutha.
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Vjavasi:

360 degrees = 360x60 = 21,600 minutes kadha brother




ok .. got it !

7kondalu:

another great character (naaku isthamaina character kooda) in mahabharatha is devavratha (beeshma).



Bheeshmudu poojaneeyudu .. Vishnu Sahasranaamam cheppadu manaki !
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another great character (naaku isthamaina character kooda) in mahabharatha is devavratha (beeshma).

when dharmaraja has doubts about king and his duties, krishna said only bhishma is the able person to clear his doubts.





bheesma ni minchina character ekkada vundhi annai mahabharat lo...bheeshma ni talichinappudu alla kallalo neellu vastayi... he is one of twelve mahajans
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brother mahabharat time lo india map choosava.....nee comments enti




chaala sarlu choosa anna .. mana Hindus chetagaani tanam adi .. antha manchi area lo influence and culture ni samadhi chesukunnam ! mari eppatikaina manam kalalu kane Hindu Rastra form aithe baagundi ! :-)

okappudu mana brethren ee manani naasanam chestaamani roju roju shapadham cheyyadam anniti kante baadha ! just vaalla matham, culture maarinanduku manam chedda vaallam aipoyaam ! :-(
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The accuracy of one Kala in a year is not adequate. To therefore obtain an accuracy of one two-hundredth of a Kala in a year, a period that is two hundred times 21,600 or 4,320,000 years is necessary. The first number of 21,600 years is the real time and the other number of 4,320,000 years taken for Mahayuga is the frame time or the non-real time.

however there is more to it and here it is

The current Varaaha Kalpa (one period of time) begins with the reign of Swayambhuva Manu, or the self-born Man, who revived and established the Veda. In this particular Kalpa, 14 Manu’s will appear.

The period of one chatur-yuga cycle, which begins with a Manu, comprises of 12000 human years. However, to denote the endlessness of Lord’s creation, the Puranas have multiplied the above period by 360, to get 4320000 'divine' years. And further multiplying these by 71, the Manavantara period is calculated.


The precise moment for advent of the Kali Yuga (3102 B.C) has been reckoned based from references in the Mahabharata as well as from the literature provided by Varahamihira, Kalhana, Arya Bhatta, Vruddha Garga and also the Puranic annals. According to the astronomical calculations of the Hindus, the present period of the world, Kali Yugaa, commenced 3102 years before the birth of Christ, on 20th February, at 2 hours, 27 minutes and 30 seconds. However, for the sake of convenience in calculations, only 3102 B.C is assumed.


Therefore, going backwards from 3102 B.C., the beginning for this chaturyuga period (
2400 for Dwaapar,
3600 for Treta and
4800 for Kruta = 10,800) would be 10,800 years before Kali, i.e., at 13902 B.C.

approximately, a time when Vaivasvata Manu (leader of the present chatur-yuga) flourished.

The Brahmanda Puranam (1:2:9) states that Swayambhuva Manu, the king for the current Kalpa, lived 71 (divya) yuga before (Kali yuga). One divya-yuga is 360 human years, and therefore Swayambhuva Manu’s date is calculated to be about 31000 years before present (360*71 + 3102 + 2010=30762). These datelines for Vaivasvata and Swayambhuva Manu are corroborated from the Matsya Puraan (129-76, 77) as well. Balagangadhar .Tilak in his book “Orion†has calculated 29101 B.C., using astronomical data, as the time when Swayambhuva Manu existed, which tallies remarkably with the date suggested by the Puraan.

( I AM LOOKING FOR THIS BOOK, if DBe'rs from India find this book anywhere can you please indicate so i can buy it? )


According to the Puranas’s, 52 generations had elapsed between Swayambhuva and Vaivasvata, i.e, over a period of 15200 years. Each generation must therefore be 290 years long. Chakshusha Manu, the sixth descendent of Swayambhuva, is said to be 12 generations elder to Vaivasvata and therefore going backwards, his date can be calculated to be about (14000 + 12290) 17500 B.C. One very famous king Pruthu, from whom this earth “Pruthvi†derives its name, is known to be 5th in line from Chakshushu. His date therefore comes to roughly 16050 B.C.


Tilak's book was supposed to have given jitters to the angrezi's at the time it was published, I wish i could get this book.

will post more in next one. this is getting too long









Calcutation on Ramayana
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Following are the dates of few events from the Ramayana according to the theory given in this post: I will post the details below that on how this was arrived at

Rama's Birth Date 4th December 7323 B.C
Rama-Seeta Married 7th April 7307 B.C
Rama Exiled 29th November 7306 B.C.
Hanuman enters Lanka 1st September 7292 B.C
Hanuman meets Seeta 2nd September 7292 B.C.
Seetu (Bridge) built 26-30th Oct. 7292 B.C
on the ocean
The War begins 3rd November 7292 B.C
Kumbhakarna is killed 7th November 7292 B.C.
Ravana is killed by Rama 15th November 7292 B.C.
Rama returns to Ayodhya 6th December 7272 B.C.



We know from our current poojas or material that Ramayana mahakavyam was actually composed by maharshi valmiki (after the became maharshi) and when he questioned sage narada as to who was the most perfect human being and he got a reply 'Rama'. He got to know some details from him and then meditated and got more details about sri rama and then the epic was born
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Vjavasi:

According to Karna's dying wish, Karna's Antim Sanskar(funeral rites) were performed by Lord Krishna himself. This was the honour given to him by Shri Krishna. Karna is the only person ever lived who received this great honour.




another great character (naaku isthamaina character kooda) in mahabharatha is devavratha (beeshma).

when dharmaraja has doubts about king and his duties, krishna said only bhishma is the able person to clear his doubts.
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ye circle ki 21,600 minutes untayi annai? I did not get this !




360 degrees = 360x60 = 21,600 minutes kadha brother
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When we are able to find the story (a complete story including all names, times, etc), dont you think we can find a lot more.

Do we know how and where this entire Mahabharata story is found?






brother nenu mahabharat time lo india map petta....there is continuity of civilization from mahabharat period....excavations lo natural disasters vallana bury aina places bayatapadatayi....ippatiki manamu mahabharat time loni names ee vadutunnamu chala places ki...so those places are flourishing without any loss of continuity since the time of mahabharata......they themselves are proofs for the historical veracity of mahabharata...mee second question ardham kaledhu.....we came to know mahabharata because the story was passed on through the generations since vyasa penned the epic
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All generalizations have exceptions, including this one
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brother mahabharat time lo india map choosava.....nee comments enti
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enduku story anipistundhi annai ANR cheppadu ana...




When we are able to find the story (a complete story including all names, times, etc), dont you think we can find a lot more.

Do we know how and where this entire Mahabharata story is found?
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Vjavasi:

logic of a circle having 21,600 minutes




ye circle ki 21,600 minutes untayi annai? I did not get this !

ofcourse .. maha yuga ni .. real/non-real ani divide enduku chesaaro naaku ardam kaaledu okahyd annai ..
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Okahyderabadi:


'The first number of 21,600 years is the real time and the other number of 4,320,000 years taken for Mahayuga is the frame time or the non-real time.'





oka circle ki 21,600 minitues vuntaayi kabatti 21,600 years oka maha yuga ani define chesaaru ani antunnara....4,320,000 figure real time kadhu ani ekkada vundhi andi....yuga cycle lo vunna numbers real solar years kadhu ani ee basis meedha cheppagalam...maha yuga numbers ni ee 21,600 years lo fit cheyyataniki emanna reason vunda apart from the logic of a circle having 21,600 minutes
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Sri Krishna lived 36 years (or 39 years) after Mahabharata.

Immediately after his death started Kaliyuga.
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Okahyderabadi:


The answer is simple and elementary. The least count used in Surya Siddhanta for general computations is one Kala or minute of the arc of which there are 21,600 in the whole circle. If one has to specify the movement of planetary element to the accuracy of one Kala in a year a period of 21,600 years will have to be taken. This is the period of a Mahayuga and its tenth part which is 2,160 years is the period of Kaliyuga.




measurement unit ki mahayuga ki link enduku pettaru....uranus,pluto,neptune rotation ni base chesukoni mahayuga define chesari ani ekkadaina vunda




I think it is pretty much to show how the maha yuga is calculated. Ekkado error in translation. The issue with most of our manuscripts is that most of them did not make it to the present time in their original form. One thing is most them were either written on manuscript material( tatakulu or others) which got destroyed in time or some were transmitted verbally which got picked out in parts and translated or recorded at later time in history.

vjvasi ne question ki answer akkade undanukunta

'The first number of 21,600 years is the real time and the other number of 4,320,000 years taken for Mahayuga is the frame time or the non-real time.'

its a time frame thing emo to show the comparision against a grand figure. unfortunately we cannot say for sure. mana tana anta evidence ledu prastutam
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fobidden archaelogy video choodandi...vallaku ardham kanivi anni natural formations antaaru
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The answer is simple and elementary. The least count used in Surya Siddhanta for general computations is one Kala or minute of the arc of which there are 21,600 in the whole circle. If one has to specify the movement of planetary element to the accuracy of one Kala in a year a period of 21,600 years will have to be taken. This is the period of a Mahayuga and its tenth part which is 2,160 years is the period of Kaliyuga.





measurement unit ki mahayuga ki link enduku pettaru....uranus,pluto,neptune rotation ni base chesukoni mahayuga define chesari ani ekkadaina vunda
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this grahamhancock.com is an awesome website i keep reading very often




Me too - infact ade site lo anukunta they claim these formations were natural in another place if I am not wrong :-)
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jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Okahyderabadi:

http://www.hindu.com/2007/02/23/stories/2007022301242200.htm




Looking for more dating information ...

Kamal:

which says the city is a natural formation




Yeah - Gulf of cambay artifacts lo oka piece of wood ni about 9500 years ani date chesaru - but some stone formations were speculated tot be natural not manmade...I am looking for more firm evidence ...
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jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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http://www.hindu.com/2007/02/23/stories/2007022301242200.htm





your post on yugas and their time periods ki 5 stars .. most of it made sense .. konni ardam kaaledu naa chetta burra ki !
Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe ..
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this grahamhancock.com is an awesome website i keep reading very often
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read this update:
http://www.grahamhancock.com/forum/BadrinaryanB1.php
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Kamal:

An entire city "Dwarka" is there in the sea.



Evarindeggira aina deeni archaeological findings links untey ivvandi - Gulf of Cambay lo Institute of ocean technology vallau artifacts dredge chesaru - apart from that are there any papers on Dwaraka ? I have a theory brewing in my head and wanted to bounce that off the archaeological findings :-)





http://www.hindu.com/2007/02/23/stories/2007022301242200.htm
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Anand_n:

Evarindeggira aina deeni archaeological findings links untey ivvandi - Gulf of Cambay lo Institute of ocean technology vallau artifacts dredge chesaru - apart from that are there any papers on Dwaraka ? I have a theory brewing in my head and wanted to bounce that off the archaeological findings




not much is available .. ippude check cheste .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarka .. indulo max info undi .. which says the city is a natural formation and so cannot be dated antunnaru ento !!!
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The concept of yuga's in hindu/vedic cannot be explained with proofs in the current world. That is our unfortunate situation as we do not have any constructions like the pyramids to be able to show the antiquity of our religion or way of life.

According to tradition our concept of yuga is as cyclic. So that means there have been multiple Satya, Treta, Dwapara, Kali yugas. After each cycle
Satya Yuga ( 1728000 yrs), treta yuga (1296000 yrs), dwapara yuga(864000), kali(432000). one such whole cycle is called a yuga cycle and thousand such yuga's is a kalpa. One such kalpa is Brahma Deva's 12 hrs so 24 hours of Brahma’s time is 8640000,000 earth years.

Our calendar is of 60 years after which each of the year starts again, ofcourse you can find this information anywhere on the net but iam just summarizing here

1.Prabhava
2. Vibhava
3. Shukla
4. Pramoda
5. PrajÄpati
6. Āngirasa
7. Shrīmukha
8. BhÄva
9. Yuva
10. DhÄtri
11. Īshvara
12. BahudhÄnya
13. PramÄdhi
14. Vikrama
15. Vrisha
16. ChitrabhÄnu
17. SvabhÄnu
18. TÄrana
19. PÄrthiva
20. Vyaya (2006-2007)
21. Sarvajeeth (2007-2008)
22. SarvadhÄri (2008-2009)
23. Virodhi (2009-2010) - right now we are running this until ugadi
24. Vikrita
25. Khara
26. Nandana
27. Vijaya
28. Jaya
29. Manmadha
30. Durmukhi
31. Hevilambi
32. Vilambi
33. VikÄri
34. ShÄrvari
35. Plava
36. Shubhakruti
37. Sobhakruthi
38. Krodhi
39. VishvÄvasu
40. ParÄbhava
41. Plavanga
42. Kīlaka
43. Saumya
44. SÄdhÄrana
45. Virodhikruthi
46. ParidhÄvi
47. PramÄdicha
48. Ānanda
49. RÄkshasa
50. Anala
51. Pingala
52. KÄlayukthi
53. SiddhÄrthi
54. Raudra
55. Durmathi
56. Dundubhi
57. RudhirodgÄri
58. RaktÄkshi
59. Krodhana
60. Akshaya


Each Kalpa can also be divided in to 14 Manvantaras ( yes you head this somewhere before.. Manu). For this kalpa we also have 14 manus
1. Swayambhuva son of the self born(son of brahma)
2. Swarochishta son of the self shining
3. Uthama son of the highest
4. Taamasa son of Darkness
5. Raivatha son of wealth
6. Chaikshusa son of vision
7. VAIVASWATHA SON OF BRIGHTNESS
8. Arka Savarnika related to Sungod
9. Daksha Savarnika son of rituals
10. Brahma Savarnika son of Brahma
11. Dharma Savarnia relative of eternal law
12. Rudra Savrnika son of the destroyer
13. Deva Savarnika son of the shining one and
14. Indra Savarnika son of the mighty Indra

Big bang theory was 4 kalpas ago according to calculations,
currently we are living the swetavaraha kalpa being governed by 7th manu, Vaivasvatha manvantara and n this Manvantara, we are in the 28th Chatur Yuga, first quarter. Half of our kalpa is over so another 2160000000 earth years to the end of this kalpa or to dissolution.This is the Dvitiya Parardha or second half of Brahma’s life, which means 50 x 360 kalpas are over

If you listen to the sankalpam in the temple when you perform poojas you will hear this information - adya brahmana dvitiya parathe svetavaraha kalpe vaivasvatha manvantare ashta vimsati me kaliyuge prathame pade 'jambu/krounchya/' dweepe hiranyaka/ramanaka varshe etc etc


Now, let us have a look at this Sankalpa: It goes on like this:
Dviteeya parardhe In the second half of Brahma's life
Svetavaraha Kalpe In the Kalpa of Sveta Varaha
Vaivaswatha Manvantare In the reign of Vaivaswatha Manu
Ashta Vimsati me within the 28th cycle
Kali Yuge In the Kali yuga
Prathame Pade In the first quarter thereof

According to this theory at the end of each kalpa we have a kalpantham a cataclysmic event which resets the clock and life starts fresh.

So according to the timelines, Ramayana occured in Satya yuga which if we go by conventional theory of kalpas etc will have occurred millions of years giving it mystical proportions.
All these are ideas propounded in Surya siddhanta

another interesting theory is considering the astronomical, mathematical and other aspects

astronomically
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The planets, including Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, complete one full rotation (in respect of their mutual positions) and all come back to their ’starting’ point every 12160 years. Precession of the equinoxes is taken as 53.2894736842 seconds of arc per year

According to traditional opinion, the Saptarishis stay in each nakshatra for 100 years and when they stayed in Magha for 100 years that cycle is called the Magha cycle. Thus, each of the Saptarishi cycles was named after the nakshatra in which they stayed. After the Magha cycle there was Purva Phalguni cycle and so on.


The answer is simple and elementary. The least count used in Surya Siddhanta for general computations is one Kala or minute of the arc of which there are 21,600 in the whole circle. If one has to specify the movement of planetary element to the accuracy of one Kala in a year a period of 21,600 years will have to be taken. This is the period of a Mahayuga and its tenth part which is 2,160 years is the period of Kaliyuga. Dwaparyuga is twice this or 4,320 years, Tretayuga is thrice this or 6,480 years and Kritayuga (Satyayuga) is four times this or 8,640 years, all four totaling up to 21,600 years.

The accuracy of one Kala in a year is not adequate. To therefore obtain an accuracy of one two-hundredth of a Kala in a year, a period that is two hundred times 21,600 or 4,320,000 years is necessary. The first number of 21,600 years is the real time and the other number of 4,320,000 years taken for Mahayuga is the frame time or the non-real time.

According to the above, the real time calculation will be like this:

1 kalpa = 1000 X Mahayuga = 21,600,000 years = 1day of Brahma
1 Mahayuga = 10 X kaliyuga = 21,600 years = One cycle of 4 yugas
1 Satyayuga = 4 X Kaliyuga = 8640 years
1 Tretayuga = 3 X Kaliyuga = 6480 years
1 Dwaparyuga = 2 X Kaliyuga =4320 years
1 Kaliyuga = 2160 years

According to Valmiki, Ramayana starts in the beginning of Tretayuga, so approximately 12960 years before from now so approximately 10950

there is another interesting theory similar to this which i will post after the responses

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Kamal:

An entire city "Dwarka" is there in the sea.




Evarindeggira aina deeni archaeological findings links untey ivvandi - Gulf of Cambay lo Institute of ocean technology vallau artifacts dredge chesaru - apart from that are there any papers on Dwaraka ? I have a theory brewing in my head and wanted to bounce that off the archaeological findings :-)
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Kamal:




Ekalavya fought the war against pandavas in kurushetra. May be dues tovarious political combos
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Arjuna and Karna, both are great warriors. But one unsung hero of Mahabharata is "Ekalavya".
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Karna by no means the Greatest / Greater than Arjun.

The Greatest of Archers in Mahabharata is Bheeshma, Drona , Abhimanu which are equal. ollowed by Arjun and Karna who are equal.

Karna lost 2 battles to Arjun beore Mahabharat Battle, But Karna does have a clear edge on 16th Day which is his day. Arjun gets tired physically and Mentally as he fhights from day 1 and he looses his son

Karna couldn't even do any thing to youngest warrior Abhi.

As long as there is a bow in Bheeshma,Drona and Abhi - no one can bring them down




virata parvam lo war jariginappudu ..karna couldn't defeat arjuna....kurukshetra lo karna to fight chesinappudu arjuna gandivam vadi nattu ledu...endukante gandivani bhisma break chesadu ani chadiva...i think bothe are equals..
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map of india during mahabharat period

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia .jpg
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Karna by no means the Greatest / Greater than Arjun.

The Greatest of Archers in Mahabharata is Bheeshma, Drona , Abhimanu which are equal. ollowed by Arjun and Karna who are equal.

Karna lost 2 battles to Arjun beore Mahabharat Battle, But Karna does have a clear edge on 16th Day which is his day. Arjun gets tired physically and Mentally as he fhights from day 1 and he looses his son

Karna couldn't even do any thing to youngest warrior Abhi.

As long as there is a bow in Bheeshma,Drona and Abhi - no one can bring them down
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Dma:

- As per some people, if it were just 5000 years, we would have more proofs.




come on .. we have so many proofs, what more proofs do you want? An entire city "Dwarka" is there in the sea. People have even identified some of the descriptions of the parts of the city. Then there are places which are identified as the ones that happened during Mahabharata. The problem with identifying more and more is .. many places like kingdom of Ghandhar and many other places lying to immediate west and north-west of Kurukshetra have all underwent great metamorphosis under the cyclones of raging religious wars for over a millenia!

Many places lie in Pakistan, Afghanistan, some in Iran and in Central Asia ! It is difficult to comprehensively prove in such hostile cultures !
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Kamal:

To me, it did happen .. when is a question very very tough to answer. Mana vaallu manaki unna limited knowledge tho .. Mahabharatam some 5000 years ago jarigindi antunnaru .. but I doubt it ..

because I subscribe to those thoughts of Carl Sagan about Hinduism. That the world is created, destroyed in cycles and that is how Mahabharata happen in a different cycle ani nammuta nenu ! of even if it is in this creation itself .. it cannot be 5000 years .. as each yuga is millions of years and atleast that has to be established !




Please excuse my ignorance:

- Do you think it happened before Dynosaur age?
- As per some people, if it were just 5000 years, we would have more proofs.
Ashoka is some 2300 years old. Id MahaBharat is 5000 years old, I think we would have better proofs.


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Vjavasi:

yep only 5109 years brother....ramayanam konni millions of years jarigindhi




5113 years anukunnane :D


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According to the Surya Siddhanta, an astronomical treatise that forms the basis of all Hindu and Buddhist calendars, Kali Yuga began at midnight (00:00) on 18 February 3102 BCE [1] in the proleptic Julian calendar, or 23 January 3102 BC in the proleptic Gregorian calendar.




but anyways .. ee roju tho naaku unde oka confusion tolagipoyindi .. wow .. thx bro !
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ramayanam konni millions of years mundhu jarigindhi mana lekka prakaram
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The Kali Yuga is traditionally thought to last 432,000 years.

Super .. inka enni ghoraalu choodalo Bhu Matha !
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Kamal:



ante 5000 years kritam Dwapara Yugam end ayyindi antunnara? ante Kali Yugam just 5000 years old aa?





yep only 5109 years brother....ramayanam konni millions of years jarigindhi
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Vjavasi:

enduku doubt brother...mahabharatam 5000 years back ee jarigindhi...mahabharat end avatam tote kali yugam start ayyindhi




Sorry .. I stand corrected ! Nenu ekkado tappu ga ardam chesukuni confuse ayyanu .. Now I got it. Infact Kali Yuga is 5113 years old according to "Surya Siddanta".

Now my doubts are cleared !
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enduku doubt brother...mahabharatam 5000 years back ee jarigindhi...mahabharat end avatam tote kali yugam start ayyindhi




ante 5000 years kritam Dwapara Yugam end ayyindi antunnara? ante Kali Yugam just 5000 years old aa?
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Kamal:

Mana vaallu manaki unna limited knowledge tho .. Mahabharatam some 5000 years ago jarigindi antunnaru .. but I doubt it ..





enduku doubt brother...mahabharatam 5000 years back ee jarigindhi...mahabharat end avatam tote kali yugam start ayyindhi
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Dma:


Asalu Mahabharat Jariginda leka evaro annatlu (People like ANR) is it just a story written by somebody to teach different things for society?


Assume Idi oka story ne anuko, How could they write such a story with so many hundreds of characters span across decades without a glitch?





enduku story anipistundhi annai ANR cheppadu ana...with due respect to him ayana atlage cheptaaru.....vigraharadhana ku vyatirekham ani interviews lo cheptunee monna ee madhyana tirupathi velladu darshanam chesukotaniki
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Dma:

Asalu Mahabharat Jariginda leka evaro annatlu (People like ANR) is it just a story written by somebody to teach different things for society?




To me, it did happen .. when is a question very very tough to answer. Mana vaallu manaki unna limited knowledge tho .. Mahabharatam some 5000 years ago jarigindi antunnaru .. but I doubt it ..

because I subscribe to those thoughts of Carl Sagan about Hinduism. That the world is created, destroyed in cycles and that is how Mahabharata happen in a different cycle ani nammuta nenu ! of even if it is in this creation itself .. it cannot be 5000 years .. as each yuga is millions of years and atleast that has to be established !
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Diwakaram_april1:

Story emo kaani, Pandaripuram ane place undi Maharashtra lo, akkada temples and shilpaalu choosthe nijame anipisthaii




Do we know how old are those structures?

Archiologists should be able to find that pretty easily.
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raasina vaadiki, post esina neeku





my pleasure annai....endhuko ee roju karnudu meedhaki mallindhi
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Dma:

Assume Idi oka story ne anuko,



Story emo kaani, Pandaripuram ane place undi Maharashtra lo, akkada temples and shilpaalu choosthe nijame anipisthaii
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Thanks thammudu, chaala rojulu ayyindhi Maha Bharatham gurinchi think chesi.. karnudi ee parvam kallaki kattinattu raasina vaadiki, post esina neeku
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Just for discussion:

Asalu Mahabharat Jariginda leka evaro annatlu (People like ANR) is it just a story written by somebody to teach different things for society?


Assume Idi oka story ne anuko, How could they write such a story with so many hundreds of characters span across decades without a glitch?


Please share your views.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z789DKjZ6Aw&NR=1&feature=fvwp


battle between karna and arjun in mahabharat serial
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Vjavasi:

vallaki archery vachu...but they are not experts....bheemudu, dharmaraju banalu veyyatam mahabharat serial lo choopinchadu kadha....kshatriyulaki anniti lo prevesam vundedhi but vallaki expertise oka vidyalo vundedhi




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Sach aur saahas hai jiske mann mein - anth mein jeeth usee ki rahe ..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnK-QXAc7J4

watch this cartoon video on karna's death
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//One day when Karna came to Hastinapur(capital of Kauravas)after a month of holiday, he heard from his friend Ashwathama(son of Drona) that last week Guru Dronacharya decided to test his students in their skill of archery. He hung a wooden bird from the branch of a tree and then summoned his students. He asked the first one to aim for the bird's eye but not shoot just yet. He then asked the student what he could see. The student replied that he could see the garden, the tree, flowers, etc. Drona asked him to step aside and not to shoot. He repeated the same process with a few other students. When it was Arjuna's turn, Arjuna told his Guru that the only thing he could see was the bird's eye. This satisfied the Guru and he allowed Arjuna to shoot the bird and Arjuna successfully hit the eye of that Parrot.

After listening to his brother's version of events, Karna told his brother that if Arjuna could hit the one eye of the parrot then he can hit both eyes of the parrot in a single shot. As they practiced in the night, Karna decided to shoot both eyes of the parrot the same night with the help of Palita(instrument used to lighten homes).As Karna instructed him ,Shona suspended the wooden parrot high above the tree and held the palita beneath. Karna strung the bow with two arrows (slightly changed their position one after the other) and as soon as he got signal from Shona, Karna successfully hit both eyes of the bird in a single shot. This was achieved within a short time's practice, this shows that Karna is the greatest archer in the world of all time.

In a very short period of time Karna was able to learn various arts. But, Karna becomes more interested to learn all the advanced skills of archery including the use of Divine weapons. After being refused by Drona, Karna decides to learn from Parashurama, the guru of Drona. Thus, Karna eventually approached Parashurama, who was known to teach only Brahmins[5]. He appeared before Parashurama as a Brahmin and requested that he be taken as his student. Parashurama accepted him and trained him to such a point, that he declared Karna to be equal to himself in the art of warfare and archery. Thus, Karna became a diligent student of Parashurama.//
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//After being refused by Drona, Karna decided to be self-taught with his brother Shona's help. But according to Indian culture when you have to learn an art, you must have a Guru(teacher),so Karna decided to make The Sun(God)his guru. Karna learnt all the arts without a Guru. During daytime, he gathered information about various ayudhas(Weapons) and then after sundown, he exercised them.//
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Mario_puzo:

nako doubt......karnudu archer kada mari bhim,dharmaraj etc vallani odinchadam enti?? ante fight ela jarugutundi??

iddaru banalu esukovala?? pls dont say ayana gada isurtadu eeyana banam estadu rendu gallo kalisi kakara puvvotti veligi peli potay......b/w cinema type kakunda, mee imagination cheppandi....natural ga ela jariguntado





vallaki archery vachu...but they are not experts....bheemudu, dharmaraju banalu veyyatam mahabharat serial lo choopinchadu kadha....kshatriyulaki anniti lo prevesam vundedhi but vallaki expertise oka vidyalo vundedhi
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nako doubt......karnudu archer kada mari bhim,dharmaraj etc vallani odinchadam enti?? ante fight ela jarugutundi??

iddaru banalu esukovala?? pls dont say ayana gada isurtadu eeyana banam estadu rendu gallo kalisi kakara puvvotti veligi peli potay......b/w cinema type kakunda, mee imagination cheppandi....natural ga ela jariguntado
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karna in wikepedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karna
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Karna Parva

The Mahabharat war fought on day 16 and day 17 is documented as Karna Parva where Karna is the commander of Kaurava army.
[edit] The sixteenth day

On the sixteenth day Karna fought as commander in chief of the Kaurava army. There was no fight between Karna and Arjuna as Arjuna's chariot retreated seeing Karna's glorious form. This retreat by Arjuna is widely speculated on by many as ample evidence that Karna was a better warrior than Arjuna. Although, the TV series screened by B.R.Chopra depicts a war between Karna and Arjuna, there is no evidence of the same in Vedavyasa's Mahabharat.On the sixteenth day of the war Karna single-handedly defeated all the Pandavas. Firstly, Karna defeated Bhima but left him alive saying that as he (Karna) is elder to him (Bhima), he won't kill him. Then he went to Yudhisthira and also defeated him but left him alive by saying that "It seems that you have forgotten all the teachings which your guru has taught you, so first go and practice those and then come to fight". After that Karna defeated Nakula and Sahedeva but didn't kill them since he had promised his mother to spare the lives of all the Pandava brothers except Arjuna. After defeating all his brothers, Karna asked his charioteer, Shalya, to take his chariot in front of Arjuna. Seeing Arjuna in front of him, Karna took his powerful weapon, Nagastra and shot it at Arjuna. Krishna saved Arjuna from sure death by the Nagastra by his divine powers; by subtly lowering Arjuna’s chariot into the earth, by a gentle pressure of his feet.
[edit] The seventeenth day

On the seventeenth day of the battle, the much awaited duel between Karna and Arjuna took place.

During the battle, when Arjuna's arrows struck Karna's chariot,it moved back by a few feet. However, when Karna's arrows struck Arjuna's chariot, it moved back only a few inches. Krishna praised Karna for this. But, Arjuna got astonished and asked him the reason for his praise, In response, Krishna told Arjuna that Karna's chariot bore only the weight of Karna and Shalya. On the other hand, Arjuna's chariot bore the weight of the entire universe since Krishna and Hanuman were on the chariot. Despite this, Karna was able to move it.

Karna cut the string of Arjuna's bow multiple times. But, at each instant he found that Arjuna was able to tie back the bow string in the wink of an eye (in an extremely short time). For this, Karna praised Arjuna and remarked to Shalya that now he understood why people called him the greatest archer in the world. Though the duel was initially held at a stalemate, Karna was hampered when his chariot wheel sank into the ground in loose wet soil (BhoomiDevi's curse thus came into effect). He also found himself unable to remember the incantations for divine weapons, as his teacher Parashurama had foretold. Descending from his chariot to remove the wheel, he requested Arjuna to wait until it is set right as per the rules of battle. Krishna told Arjuna that Karna has no right to refer to the rules at this point, after having violated the same himself while killing Abhimanyu. He urged Arjuna to kill Karna while he was helpless (The Brahman's curse came into effect here). Lord Krishna told Arjuna that if he did not kill Karna at this critical juncture of the war, he might never be able to kill him and the Pandavas may never win the war. Thus, Arjuna fatally injured Karna using a divine arrow.
[edit] After Karna's death

Following the war, funeral rites were performed for all the fallen. Kunti then requested her sons to perform the rites for Karna as well. When they protested, saying he was a suta, she revealed the truth of his birth. The brothers were shocked to find they have committed fratricide. Yudhishtira in particular is furious with his mother, and curses all women to never be able to keep a secret from that point on.

Lord Krishna went to Gandhari to tell her Karna had died. Karna was the oldest son of Kunti and although he knew who he was, he still fought for Dhuryodhana. Gandhari told Lord Krishna, "you knew what was going to happen and you still could've prevented the war". Gandhari cursed Lord Krishna: "just as my entire family perished, your family will die the same way".

After the 18-day Mahabharata war at Kurukshetra ended, Lord Krishna asked Arjuna to step down from his chariot. When Arjuna did so, Krishna took Arjuna some distance away from the chariot. Then he signaled to Lord Hanuman seated on the chariot to get up. The moment Lord Hanuman jumped off the chariot, Arjuna's horses were burnt alive and his chariot exploded into pieces. Seeing this, Arjuna was shocked. Krishna then told him that the deadly astras of Bheeshma, Drona, Karna and Ashwattama had caused the destruction of Arjuna's horses and chariot. It was the divine presence of Lord Hanuman that maintained the chariot in a proper condition by postponing the effects of their divine weapons.

According to Karna's dying wish, Karna's Antim Sanskar(funeral rites) were performed by Lord Krishna himself. This was the honour given to him by Shri Krishna. Karna is the only person ever lived who received this great honour.

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