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Mental_sachinodu:

hmmm disco is not about who is better. Kejriwal clearly did not achieve as much as JP.

The disco is about why JP doesnt get better numbers, whether the fault lies with the masses or JP's marketing abilities.




I would say the fault lies on both sides.. Ppl haven't realized the need to support a relatively clean n honest party like LSP even at the worst times of AP. At the same time, though LSP philosophy n style is top class, in the current scenario is not working n connecting with the masses.. Having said that, changing the party's philosophy to suit the masses for electoral gains irrespective of its after effects to the state isn't what we need now.. There are already many parties doing that currently.

Media is also to blame for going for sensationalism instead of journalism and society building..
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Kujliwal ki rendu seats vasthe chala chala goppa Dilli lo & Delhi lo urban areas lo vunde population kante semi and rural ekkuva so edu entha sepu New Delhi, Central & West districts lo chese lolli ki motham state antha ediki jai koduthunnaru anukotam murkhatvaam. Most of the english news media is based out in & around Delhi so he gets a lot of air waves danikosam ground lo ediki support vundhi ante God bless


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hmmm disco is not about who is better. Kejriwal clearly did not achieve as much as JP.

The disco is about why JP doesnt get better numbers, whether the fault lies with the masses or JP's marketing abilities.
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Yeah.. Now Jagan is convincing the majority.. So do we go his way ?? We may take time but lets not sacrifice our values and ethics..


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Dada:

In a scenario like this, rather than going out as a politician, JP would be better off being part of a task force (with authority) which improves the rural health care system or public transport or the agri supply chain etc etc.

Becoming a politician and giving that authority to like minded people is a noble idea - but - in the present circumstances might not be workable.




JP already worked on those things as a collector and a NGO but he feels that is not enough. He believes good politics is the only solution to our problems. Working as an NGO is good, but its like filling a leaking tank with wide holes. How long will you work without a permanent solution and a full stop.

If it is not workable now, when n how ??
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A simple example. We have a system in place for traffic rules. And yet people willingly break the rules, honk horns, shout at other drivers etc etc.
And the same people say that the system is bad and the system sucks.
We are glorifying instances where the system has been bent, concentrating too much on those instances and forgetting that a system does exist.

In a scenario like this, rather than going out as a politician, JP would be better off being part of a task force (with authority) which improves the rural health care system or public transport or the agri supply chain etc etc.

Becoming a politician and giving that authority to like minded people is a noble idea - but - in the present circumstances might not be workable.

Because the people are not really bothered about their fundamental rights and are more focused on emotional issues like Telangana, Odarpu etc and glorifying their leaders.
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I completely agree with you.

But there is also the philosophical saying "Give me the Courage to change the things that I can, serenity to accept the things that I cannot change AND THE WISDOM to know the difference between the two"
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We are going back to the age old philosophy of 'Politics is murky...leave it to the politicians'.

The system of politics itself was designed to serve a country in an organised way in the matters of administration, law & order. As it is with any system, ppl hav found out ways to find loopholes and exploit it.

This hardly means good ppl dont bother abt it and leave it to dacoits for further exploitation. Ppl who intend to make a difference shud hav the guts to cleanse it frm the inside even if it means getting their hands dirty.

As long as we think abt leaving however good a system framed by the best of policies in the wrong person's hands, it is bound to get destroyed one way or the other. It shall be like a top level olympian athlete getting cancer. Nothing can stop its spread.
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Vipersting:

Unfortunately its just the meaning of "politician" has changed.




Absolutely.
Hence leave politics and take part in policy management whereby the contribution will be better and more focused.

Since people have defined a "politician" in a certain way in the past few years, JP would be doing a lot of good to himself and the cause if he is not bunched along with the "politician"
It was a sad spectacle seeing the person who was talking a lot of commonsense being heckled in Kurnool and Anantpur recently.
And the very same people are welcoming the "politicians" who have polluted the system - just for the simple reason that the "politician" is speaking what they want to hear - which is just emotion and nothing else.
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Dada:

lets accept that as a fact, but ee vishayam .. prati constituency lo out of 1 lakh voters .. atleast 30000 mandiki telisthe .. more seats geliche chances untayi .. kaadantava?




Accepted. We are not able to communicate to people. but to a major extent, How are people knowing what politicians are doing ?? Is it not the media ?? TV9 rajnikanth laanti vallu aruchukune vallani techi studio lo debates nadapalani decide ayyaru. LSP is not getting the coverage we deserve.


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Infact Lok Satta is better off being a non political entity.
Leave politics to the politicians.




Bro, The role of a politician is to make policies for the people. That's what exactly JP is doing. He is the most ideal politician. Unfortunately its just the meaning of "politician" has changed.


Filmbuff:

a politician has to tap into the hopes and aspirations of the people and lead them as partners along with him in correcting the system




That's exactly what JP is trying to do. He always says people should own the party as partners and have a bigger role to play in nation building. We are discussing why LSP is not winning.. Its only bcos we are not supporting.. Support cheyakunda win ela avutundi ??

My major complaint is while naming LSP as a failure, people are happily doing root cause analysis. Ofcourse the party has its own weaknesses. What have we done to support a honest person n party in politics ?? If we don't vote for a party like LSP.. What message are we giving to bright n honest youth who want to enter politics and change the nation ??

Please don't view LSP like congress or tdp n just wait to see what they do to win. LSP win avvalante maname gelipinchali. Just think of what u can do to help the party.


Tilak:

dont forget democracy is also about convincing the majority!!




Yeah.. Now Jagan is convincing the majority.. So do we go his way ?? We may take time but lets not sacrifice our values and ethics..
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All opinion polls are giving him a share of atleast 20%...


Just to give you an idea BSP got 15% of the votes polled in the last assembly elections but ended up with just 2 seats.
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All opinion polls are giving him a share of atleast 20%...


that is to undermine bjp's prospects.....
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All opinion polls are giving him a share of atleast 20%...
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Kujliwal ki rendu seats vasthe chala chala goppa Dilli lo & Delhi lo urban areas lo vunde population kante semi and rural ekkuva so edu entha sepu New Delhi, Central & West districts lo chese lolli ki motham state antha ediki jai koduthunnaru anukotam murkhatvaam. Most of the english news media is based out in & around Delhi so he gets a lot of air waves danikosam ground lo ediki support vundhi ante God bless
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Tilak:

dont forget democracy is also about convincing the majority!!!




That point is not understood by JP and his followers. I do have a soft corner for him. But oka technocrat ki oka politician ki theda undhi...a politician has to tap into the hopes and aspirations of the people and lead them as partners along with him in correcting the system; nuvvu cheppinavanni oka IAS officer kooda cheyagaladu...we can witness that right now with Man mohan singh - if you can't connect with the masses, can't explain your thoughts, show them what the future holds you will not be able to gauge their pulse. JP is an extraordinary speaker, one of the best speakers we have right now - so i find it even more difficult to understand his quandary...

Just because you are a reformist, don't expect the voters to come flocking to your door - you also need to go down to their level. Some strategic maneuvers, some politicking, some hype, playing to the gallery are all needed. There is nothing wrong in that...
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JP should not be compared to Kejriwal. Their ways are different.

In fact, JP is actually a bigger success as he is framing good policies and advising governments on policy issues, If the criteria is influencing the process of governance in a positive way.

If the criteria is winning elections and garnering votes, then obviously he is a failure.

Infact Lok Satta is better off being a non political entity.
Leave politics to the politicians.
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Vipersting:

Ivanni anti-corruption kinda fight chesinattu kaada.. Roadla meedaki vachi aristhe corruption potunda ?? AP lo unna oka politician ayina chesada ivi.. Oorike Mikes mundu maatladatam kaadu..


tammudu nee badha naaku ardam ayyindi ..

for example .. register marriage .. marriage kaada .. only veda mantralatho mandapam lo chesukuntene pella ani adagachu .. kaani 99% janam .. aa paddati lo potunnaru .. nee court cases/assembly bills are all great .. kaani janam ki avi teliyaali ante .. rallys/deekshas/yatras etc undaali .. dont forget democracy is also about convincing the majority!!!

Vipersting:

JP power lo lekunda techinanni reforms ye politician power lo undi teleedu..


lets accept that as a fact, but ee vishayam .. prati constituency lo out of 1 lakh voters .. atleast 30000 mandiki telisthe .. more seats geliche chances untayi .. kaadantava?
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Vipersting:

he knows they are mere players born out of the system. He believes it is the system that needs change.



these kind of abstract statements wont cut ice with ppl annai...
system is made of ppl/politicians. everybody contributed their bit to make the system the way it is..
so, kejriwal is starting political party and trying to correct the system to the extent possible.
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Kejriwal right from the beginning targeted politicians and went ahead with the slogan that "All Politicians are Corrupt" and In the end, Ironically, started a policial party.

JP never targets the politicians directly bcos he knows they are mere players born out of the system. He believes it is the system that needs change.

Kejriwal's only agenda is Anti-corruption. Is this the way a political party should work ?? AAP behaves like a socialist party whereas Lok Satta party is Liberal. LSP believes in Decentralization for welfare and Job creation for development. Not freebies.


Raman:

JP avineethi pai ekkada poratam chesadu ???

edo nalugu lecture peekadu ..




Em maatladutunnaru ?? 2G licenses cancel cheyataniki LSP petition vesindi.. Power loki raagane YSR government unapudu AP assembly lo Anti-corruption bill pettataniki try chesthe TDP kuda support cheyaledu.. Lok pal Bill ki recommendations pampadu JP..

Ivanni anti-corruption kinda fight chesinattu kaada.. Roadla meedaki vachi aristhe corruption potunda ?? AP lo unna oka politician ayina chesada ivi.. Oorike Mikes mundu maatladatam kaadu..


Dma:

JP is great. But, for some reason, he hated CBN.

In the process, he appeared leaning towards YSR.

Oka pakka YSR hayam lo anni scams jaruguthunte, YSR ni emee anakundaa CBN meeda padi edchevaadu.




TDP chesina pracharam idi.. TDP vallu press conferencelu petti LSP paina edchinapudu reply ivvatam kuda CBN meeda padi edvatama ?? I can show u a dozen videos where he spoke against YSR right in front of him in the assembly..


Saarang:

He told a lot of times that YSR was close to him from many years...he even told
in a meeting in US that he tried a get phone line from YSR in 1990s to by-pass the long waiting time for new phones. Ippudu...I think he realized that people are not happy with it...so he started basing Jagan frequently.




You are misinformed. JP rented the same place where YSR used to have his office. Because it would take a long time to take a connection, he asked whoever has been living there before ( In this case YSR ) to leave the connection and number as is. FYI, YSR didn't leave his connection behind in the end.

JP power lo lekunda techinanni reforms ye politician power lo undi teleedu..
RTI act, Voter registration at Post offices, Disclosure of Candidate details, Political funding reform, Decriminalisation of politics, Improvement of electoral registration, Comprehensive judicial reforms including local courts, and national judicial commission, Citizen's Charters to name a few.. Recently even in the new Nirbhaya act, Section 354 sub section A, B, C, D are completely JP's recommendations word-to-word.

Do some research.. Rumours are not facts. JP isn't inclined to any party nor politician. Period.
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Boston_baba:

u see him as competitor to BJP in delhi.


ok ..

Mental_sachinodu:

koosintha communist punthalu kooda kanavadathaayi naaki ayithe


100% ..

Mental_sachinodu:

JPs conversations are sort of elitist, which makes normal junta feel that he is a person who is above the rest. He boasts about how he is better than other politicians, and how people need to change, but rarely identifies himself with mango people


Other problem is .. most of JP's work and all is invisible .. monna Kukatpally lo aa flyover complete cheyinchadu papam .. chaala years paatu tirigi .. kaani .. at the end .. flyover open chesindi Survey Satyanarayana and other Congis .. so janam ki kanipinchadu kada what work JP did behind closed doors ani ..

reasons could be
1. He doesnt get media attention, inspite of having great rapport with all media orgs
2. He doesnt find a way to publicize his accomplishments .. www.kukatpallynow.com entha mandi chaduvutaaru?
3. other than JP .. not many recognizable faces in LSP (as of now) .. last time LB Nagar lo Lok Satta got more than 12000 votes for MLA .. kaani till date we dont know where that candidate is .. or if he will be contesting again etc .. (Hyd city varaku ilanti constituencies enno!)

ee pai 3 problems .. different levels lo BJP ki kuda unnayi ..
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Mental_sachinodu:

koosintha communist punthalu kooda kanavadathaayi naaki ayithe




Correct - naku ee left of centre candidates ante koncham manta, latte liberals type anamata... my ideal party is a right of centre/ Swaraj party type...
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1. Success inka raledu .. to discuss that is pre-mature!
2. Current bills kattakandi - populism
Batla Encounter fake - minority appeasement
3. Hijacking Anna Hazare's movement at the right time ..




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Tilak:

1. Success inka raledu .. to discuss that is pre-mature!
2. Current bills kattakandi - populism
Batla Encounter fake - minority appeasement
3. Hijacking Anna Hazare's movement at the right time ..



kinda cheppindi ade.. he is for anti-corruption, in that process, he is taking non-ideal routes in other ideologies, which may be required. u cant fight all battles at once.
ur approach is exactly similar to DD/TTs of AP, as u see him as competitor to BJP in delhi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nfqAhjk970

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Redclaw777:

it remains a fact tht Delhi has a larger educated 'thinking' middle class



lets see, how ppl receive nilekani in bangalore?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nfqAhjk970

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its abt analysing the reasons for his SUCESS and not him.


1. Success inka raledu .. to discuss that is pre-mature!
2. Current bills kattakandi - populism
Batla Encounter fake - minority appeasement
3. Hijacking Anna Hazare's movement at the right time ..

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asalu CM candidate evadu inthaki, aa Vijay Goel gada..


ala announce cheyyaledu ga ..
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YSR tho poliste, CBN do Uchala gunta lo chepalu pattukunna type.



malli, tehelka/Cpi docs/richest politican ani cow essay rase patience ledannai..
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You can also title this as "Delhi ppl vs AP ppl - How AP ppl lost?"

Wat does JP hav to lose?

However, as mentioned in one of your points, it remains a fact tht Delhi has a larger educated 'thinking' middle class who are less prone to base votes on caste/region/religion.
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Gandhiguevara:

weekends timepass kosam road ekke activists....just a phase...taggipodhile




thagge lopale kejriwal kurrod kerchief esesthunnaad...
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avg delhite ki politics meedha unde avagahana ki mana road chivara asuku batch ki politics meedha unde avagahana ki saana difference undhi.. added to that delhi has more migrant population, which makes a lot of difference


weekends timepass kosam road ekke activists....just a phase...taggipodhile
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brongem kaadhu




avg delhite ki politics meedha unde avagahana ki mana road chivara asuku batch ki politics meedha unde avagahana ki saana difference undhi.. added to that delhi has more migrant population, which makes a lot of difference
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Main reason is Delhi smaller and more educated and politically active (citizenry wise) state.


brongem kaadhu
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for the reason of corruption. being worked with NTR closely, he clearly saw how CBN used to operate..




agreed.

Then, YSR corruption kanipinchaledaa?

YSR tho poliste, CBN do Uchala gunta lo chepalu pattukunna type.
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Main reason is Delhi smaller and more educated and politically active (citizenry wise) state.

JPs conversations are sort of elitist, which makes normal junta feel that he is a person who is above the rest. He boasts about how he is better than other politicians, and how people need to change, but rarely identifies himself with mango people

JP approach seems to be a bit defeatist as well, its almost like he has accepted/decided that his party wont succeed with alot seats because people are not yet there. He seems to say that all he can do at that point is deal with policies and people will eventually get better because of them. In other words, winning seats in an election is something he doesnt aim at.

PS: Im talking about how JP gets perceived, not his intentions
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Tilak:

ok .. if this thread is only about praising Kujliwal .



no sirji.. its not abt praising kejriwal.. its abt analysing the reasons for his SUCESS and not him.
he agenda is anti-corruption & not majority-minority.
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Tilak:

if this thread is only about praising Kujliwal .




No, this thread is meant to bash JP....
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Tilak:

kujliwal with skull cap photos tega veyinchukuntunnadu ..




Parvaledu le...votes kosam koncham thappadu.....but mee BJP enti thammi, asalu CM candidate evadu inthaki, aa Vijay Goel gada.. inkevvaru dorakaledha...oka Arun Jaitley ni pettandi...thado pedo thelipoddhi...ilanti worst candidates tho ela gelustharu Delhi elections...
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Boston_baba:

lets not focus on other negatives now


ok .. if this thread is only about praising Kujliwal .. I dont have any business here .. bye
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Tilak:

one point you missed .. excessive minority appeasement ..



ide problem.. lets not focus on other negatives now, as he is fighting on anti-corruption. if he is not sincere on that front, pls bash him..
like i said, many problems in society.. u dont/cant solve all at once..
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simple one line agenda ledu.. there are lot of problems in society..
u better focus on one at a time.. like subbuswamy or kejriwal.

Dma:

for some reason, he hated CBN



for the reason of corruption. being worked with NTR closely, he clearly saw how CBN used to operate..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nfqAhjk970

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they may not win a lot of seats but they will end up being king makers as it is most likely to be a hung parliament.


lets wait and see what happens .. it aint that easy ..

one point you missed .. excessive minority appeasement .. news papers lo .. kujliwal with skull cap photos tega veyinchukuntunnadu .. Batla house encounter fake ani gola chesadu .. so he gained traction in lower class muslims due to that ..
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JP kurradi party udyamam lonchi pottaledu .. He did not give any simple message to people .. He was asking people to sacrifice more than he gave promises

KW was plain and simple .. party born out of agitations .. initial advantage ayite KW ke
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Saarang:

He told a lot of times that YSR was close to him from many years...he even told
in a meeting in US that he tried a get phone line from YSR in 1990s to by-pass the long waiting time for new phones. Ippudu...I think he realized that people are not happy with it...so he started basing Jagan frequently.




JP was claiming that he was fighting for a cause.

personal friendship is different. Even CBN was friends with YSR.

But, it should not reflect in public. JP's actions showed compromise towards YSR, which caused severe damage.
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ppudu...I think he realized that people are not happy with it...




He lost the momentum...now there are too many issues and too many unpredictables in the market..he can't even get decent media share in all this tumult...
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crazywala... delhi cm ayithe chudaalani vundi..hope anukondi.
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Dma:

JP is great. But, for some reason, he hated CBN.

In the process, he appeared leaning towards YSR.

Oka pakka YSR hayam lo anni scams jaruguthunte, YSR ni emee anakundaa CBN meeda padi edchevaadu.

That cause severe damage to his credibility. Most of his voters were from TDP - at least this behaviour caused issues with that sect of voters.




He told a lot of times that YSR was close to him from many years...he even told
in a meeting in US that he tried a get phone line from YSR in 1990s to by-pass the long waiting time for new phones. Ippudu...I think he realized that people are not happy with it...so he started basing Jagan frequently.
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Raman:

It's not about the party, it's the leader that makes the difference.

nee !@#$%^& there wont be any dacoit bigger than SG and family




He is talking about Sheila Dixit...BJP's last candidate was Sushma Swaraj

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Raman:

JP avineethi pai ekkada poratam chesadu ???

edo nalugu lecture peekadu ..




Yes, oka focus naku kanapadaledhu...ye marketing vadaina cheppedhi okate - keep your message - simple, direct, easy to articulate. Lok Satta party ideology one line lo cheppamante sadyam kadu..
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no sheila dikshit gurinchi talking
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JP is great. But, for some reason, he hated CBN.

In the process, he appeared leaning towards YSR.

Oka pakka YSR hayam lo anni scams jaruguthunte, YSR ni emee anakundaa CBN meeda padi edchevaadu.

That cause severe damage to his credibility. Most of his voters were from TDP - at least this behaviour caused issues with that sect of voters.
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It's not about the party, it's the leader that makes the difference.


nee !@#$%^& there wont be any dacoit bigger than SG and family
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what nonsense Congress was winning elections there till 2009 ..


It's not about the party, it's the leader that makes the difference.
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If Jagan was born in Delhi, he would be kicked out of the state.


what nonsense Congress was winning elections there till 2009 ..
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Delhi is more educated than AP...

If Jagan was born in Delhi, he would be kicked out of the state.
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JP avineethi pai ekkada poratam chesadu ???

edo nalugu lecture peekadu ..

Annahazare agitation was @ peaks in delhi ..

anyways KW vs JP polika waste ..
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- Rumours of his being associated with YSR or Congress were not helpful.




For me this is a big turn-off.
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small and full urban state
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Delhi is small state and mostly metropolian hence the difference.
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Following the elections here in Delhi, AAP has good momentum, all surveys predict a 20-30% vote share for them..they may not win a lot of seats but they will end up being king makers as it is most likely to be a hung parliament. Radio advtg. kooda simple and effective ga undhi..

I had raised this issue earlier, Kejriwal and JP come from similar backgrounds, have a similar target market which is the middle class, why is Kejriwal doing so well while JP could hardly get one seat for Lok Satta. Even vote share was in lower single digits.

I have two-three points from my side:

- Kejriwal had more focus. He focussed only on corruption right from the beginning. From a marketing point of view, it is always fantastic to lay your stake on a particular ideology so that you are perpetually associated with it. If you have a broad based civil society upliftment kind of strategy, you are grouped along with the rest of the parties.

- Kejriwal was able to rope in and use popular figures like Anna Hazare, Ramdev. JP did not get a crowd winner to bolster the party. But in AP, i can't name anyone clean and popular enough (sad, isn't it) who can give that push to JP.

- Rumours of his being associated with YSR or Congress were not helpful.

- Being focussed in Delhi for now is great. You can use it a test bed for your popularity. Because of the large educated, middle class population you can have a good beginning. JP should have started by focussing on Hyd to begin with, fund utilisation would have been effective rather than dispersed, he could have reached out more effectively to middle class and cosmopolitan crowd etc.

Mee thoughts kooda cheppandi..

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