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     Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14027 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
But recognition of that experience by the peron experiencing it is also a mental activity 
Whose rationalization are you talking about - the individual who experienced it or the individual who is listening to the verbalization ?
Email sent The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 4747 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 198.228.201.143 Rating: |
Description of experience and experience itself are different. Description is second hand and experience is first hand. Rationalization is subjective based on ones inference and verbalization of the experience. | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5931 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
thikka.sankarayya@gmail.com 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14026 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Email chestanu ante na email id pm chestanu The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5930 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
typed a lengthy reply, but felt, its too lengthy and heavy for here! so lengthy that personal message dint allow so many chars  so, lets leave it here!1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14025 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
What makes you think I have an interest in making you fall for it ? Likeminded people discuss chestaru - rest can ignore
What am I looking for - its a puzzle I am interested in solving - antakanna naku overriding desire/thirst for moksha emi ledu The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5927 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
That's a nice pitch, but won't fall for it
its not about my comfort or lack of it! Tell me seriously, what are you looking for and how serious you are? 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14023 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
SO some faculty which is part of this human physiology which is not there in animals enables humans to exerience this - is this the better developed brain/mind ? I think so .. It was in some book of Swami Dayananda Saraswati that I found this and I quote the gist, not varbatim - many people and many techniques may help you have realization experiences but till you understand (through your intellect)the knowledge is not complete...it was in reference to the different margas and why jnana marga (from his take) was really the only way... And intellect is a function of the mind Irrespective of how you experience it , it has to be translated to/recognized as a God experience by the mind for the people to remember they had an experience - for that you have to have a template for what a God experience is or it has to be something you have never experienced before so it must be the God experience. Because if it is extra sensory - it cannot have a form, sound, light or darkness, touch or any other recognizable attribute I have read some seers describing blinding bright light , I read another account where it was pitch darkness , some describe bliss(ananda), some just limitlessness(ananta) Some people actually claim to see a form -not all of these are extra sensory Which I why I don't get the supra-mental experience thing...
That answers Nisarga's question then - Prayers are to help humans work on their will (placebo of sankalpam) , not for God to intervene on behalf of the devotee- I believe this - what do you think The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 4745 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 198.228.201.155 Rating: N/A |
Human life is not required to experience this but in the progression of things, among the biological creatures man is equipped physically better to experience this. Meaning human physiology is structurally suited to experience this. God's free will exerts itself at the end of all manvantaraas as per our vedas. Until then it is man's will that is enabling him to reach God. There is a telugu song Krushi vunte manushulu rushulavutaaru | ||
| Guriginja Megastar Username: Guriginja Post Number: 25517 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 24.240.28.74 Rating: N/A |
adult with an imaginary friend/ foe is stupid ani sepparu. JOHAR YSR.....YSR AMAR RAHE | ||
| Dreamcatcher Side Hero Username: Dreamcatcher Post Number: 4397 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.86.145.68 Rating: N/A |
Sorry, I was not informed of all these conditions. Ivvaala night open mind tho bilak umbrella pakkana ettukuni padukunta, I will post the results tomorrow. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14020 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
 try chesara ?The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6973 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 50.164.157.158 Rating: N/A |
naaku nidra yoga thappa inkem thelvadhu. recent ga oka thella pilla acro-yoga ani sooinchindhi. mind block. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14019 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Sare kani - any thought on kriya yoga ? How manipulation of Body helps Soul realize ? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6972 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 50.164.157.158 Rating: N/A |
ochu ochu .. so theists have lower IQ antunnaru kadha? so lower illusory quotient than atheists annatlaa? ayundochu.
God does not believe in his existence. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14018 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
LOL - I will give you the same answer many give to question repeatable results - you were not ready for the IQ jump - prepare your mind, bring the umbrella and try again The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14017 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
True But my question is more on the logic in that - why is a human janma required to have that experience if it is not tied to the faculties of the human body ?
Guess I am not worried about that - annitiki purpose undi anukunte na ee janma ki kuda purpose undi - cycle complete ayinappudu avutundi- not really in a rush to get anywhere But my question on realization was - what makes humans sure that they have the capability to realize God even supersensorily - it is totally possible that what even a realized person experiences is the ceiling of what is humanly possible - not necessarily the totality
Precisely - it is our experience - not necessarily the absolute as I said above - how does anyone know there is nothing more beyond that
Great explanation on our free will. But question was no God's free will - when and how does it intervene and supercede the lower level wills
Vedanta works cos it is a very robust theory..The questions only come when we start thinking how - in what form does this Chaitanyam manifest ? What is the additional tot he matter in teertham H2O and tap H2O .. Any thoughts on that ? Let me be very clear - my quest is to understand, not negate your or anyone else's beliefs -so if you ever feel my questioning is going down that line to undermine/mnegate or even mildly derogatory of your beliefs - please let me know cos that is not my intention and I will correct my presentation style The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Dreamcatcher Side Hero Username: Dreamcatcher Post Number: 4396 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.86.145.68 Rating: N/A |
Sorry, too busy yesterday, so couldn't post my experiment results. I woke up with the same tired feeling the next day. No use, different stone, same results. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14016 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.147.72.32 Rating: N/A |
will continue the discussion a little laterThe foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14015 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.147.72.32 Rating: N/A |
Idemmanna politics topic aa pakkanodini convince cheyyataniki - manaki etuvanti use undadu calls believe chesina cheyyakapoina? All discussion is also part of inquiry I think if my beliefs do not stand the test of debate they are more likely to be mithya too so have no qualms putting them out there But if you do not feel comfortable discussing your beliefs that's fine The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5912 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: |
I do not believe that I'll be able to express myself effectively here, I sincerely believe that this isn't the right platform to discuss such things! Proof ani maataduthunnam kadaa... so the proof of my argument is based on your past experience, has anyone here convinced the person on the other side of fence to accept what the other person believed is wrong and what he himself believed is right? Take any topic, movies, politics, authors, god, sports, science, religion, education.... any single topic? I don't think so. Even if some one did, I am not capable of replicating that, and especially, in this topic! Whoaa.... namme vallaki ye questions undavu ani elaa cheptaaru.... adagatam maaneddam just nammuddam anukunna questions undi tiruthaay, until one reaches a point (again, I wont discuss on this point). But, when in doubt, whom you are turning to, anedi kooda quite important! Naa lanti vaadini adigi, ardham chesukune daanikante ardham kaanidi, unnadaani meeda opinion poyedaaniki chances ekkuva 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 4736 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 69.120.136.97 Rating: |
Anand gaaru, I like these discussions. Let me rejoin the thread. I posted one earlier. >> Problem is with the concept - nuvvu experience cheyyalenidi , comprehend cheyyalenidi , define cheyyalinidi God antaru - then how can you realize God anedi na question. IT is to be experienced only antaaru. It is a first hand experience. Realize is a super-sensory, super-mental thing antaaru. >> I am questioning what makes people think their realization is the final realization of God :-) Without a good guru, this is a trial-and-error is what sages said. Very easy to go sideways and waste time and rebirths :-) >> Ee roju define cheyyalenidi GOd - repu aa experience ki definition- causality - scientific explanation vaste- some neurologist figures out a spot in your brain to stick an electrode in to give you that same experience - then what ? I think it still counts as YOUR experience. You have experienced GOD through external stimulation. I am thinking its like Steroids injected into a little baby. They will run like olympic champions for a few seconds. But the -ve effects might last for a long, long time. The other option of everything , everywhere is God- now comes the other aspect - is this God omnipotent micromanaging every particle of him/herself? Does God have a free will to dictate the outcome of the creation or does it just take its course ? >> What I heard, God's thought creates universes. Once created, they have their own will but they are connected to God. So they can reach God if they exercise their free will. Its like we are born out of not just our parents bodies but their will. We are not them but we are conected to them. We have our free will. Yet we are part of them even if we are adults. God exists in every particle but not every particle has same level of consciousness or Chaitanyam. Some have more. Like temple lo pratishtha cheyya padina vigraham has more praanam, chaitanyam, Godliness than a rock by the road. So Sankhu lo Teerdham, Chembu lo neelu is actually true and not a mocking joke about pujaris. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14014 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.147.72.34 Rating: |
And was listening to a popular Guru yesterday who addreessing a few 1000 devotees said since they came to him they will have no more janmas - one way to curb population explosion I thought  The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14013 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.147.72.44 Rating: |
And one more thing nammakaniki proof a avasaram lekapoina reasoning untundi - it could be that you trust the people who told you that concept, your observations supported it, there is scriptural validation - some basis is there , or your friend said it worked - there is a cause for your belief or disbelief - understanding that cause is well worth the effort in my mind The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14012 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.147.72.27 Rating: |
Elaborate on that observation please what makes you think that there are no true believers -Reading your next sentence I think I caught the import but would like to see it explained by you - may be easier if you used examples The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14011 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: |
Chala emotional ga argue chestunnaru anipistundi Prati philosophy ki oka vaadana untundi - vedantaniki kuda pramanalu chupistaru - beleievers claim scripture to be an acceptable pramana Problem is with the concept - nuvvu experience cheyyalenidi , comprehend cheyyalenidi , define cheyyalinidi God antaru - then how can you realize God anedi na question. With what faculty are you realizing God ? Can you realize God after you die or do you need a human body to realize ? I am a believer, I have had experiences as have many many others I know but I still question those experiences and the more I read Advaita the more I am questioning what makes people think their realization is the final realization of God Ee roju define cheyyalenidi GOd - repu aa experience ki definition- causality - scientific explanation vaste- some neurologist figures out a spot in your brain to stick an electrode in to give you that same experience - then what ? The other option of everything , everywhere is God- now comes the other aspect - is this God omnipotent micromanaging every particle of him/herself? Does God have a free will to dictate the outcome of the creation or does it just take its course ? What do you think cheppandi - if you are willing to put that out here ? Adigevallaki chala questions untayi - adagatam manesi nammevallaki e question undadu - does it mean every believer has found the ultimate truth ? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 11288 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
exactly my point.
I concur. and I guess there is no confusion here that a belief is just a belief, and there is no more to it. it does not mean whether God exists or not, as no logical discourse leads to a conclusion.
there is a blind person who believes there is a tree(and he does not know what or how it looks) in front of him. never knows for sure, and does not attempt to know. does he exist in our context!! the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5909 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
I cant stop myself from finding loopholes in your argument, one last shot and I'm truly out of here If your statement that there are no believers is true, then how can your second statement be true? If there are no believers then how am I entitled to my belief? to me, sounds like a believer whether a true believer or not, you decide 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 489 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.3.33 Rating: N/A |
yes. there are no believers. you are entitled to your beliefs. Ego is the ultimate reality. OK. | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 18367 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.229.193 Rating: N/A |
Btw .. the atheist internet wanted to prove it has more IQ ..  and posted this ad on this page .. http://jesusonline.com/know-god/video/begin-the-relationship /?gclid=CMCsxIfw_bgCFe5V4god23EASw A community that can break the country is no minority - Sardar Patel "By education I am an Englishman, by views an internationalist, by culture a Muslim,& a Hindu only by accident of birth." - Nehru "Congress Mukt Bharat" - www.narendramodi.in | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5907 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: |
good for you and me too... endukintha hyper avuthunnavo ardham kaavatledu... anyway lite...1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 488 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.3.33 Rating: N/A |
Ok. I know ppl try to cling onto their beliefs/opinions, especially in discoussions. no more disc here i think...out of here... | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5906 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
sure sure... future laa... b/w in the context of this thread, remember my below post. This is not a venue to convince someone about our belief. So, do not even try doing that
1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 18366 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.229.193 Rating: N/A |
yeah .. it doesnt matter much if one prays to it or not .. but prayers are a part of the experiencing God process (I think so) .. I mean .. prayers are what? if not focus? and to understand/experience something/someone .. we all focus .. no? anyways .. i will step aside .. and let others give their inputs .. somehow .. since I am bored today like never before .. violated my code and participated in these discos .. A community that can break the country is no minority - Sardar Patel "By education I am an Englishman, by views an internationalist, by culture a Muslim,& a Hindu only by accident of birth." - Nehru "Congress Mukt Bharat" - www.narendramodi.in | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 18365 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.229.193 Rating: N/A |
absolutely .. we live close by .. we should meet .. A community that can break the country is no minority - Sardar Patel "By education I am an Englishman, by views an internationalist, by culture a Muslim,& a Hindu only by accident of birth." - Nehru "Congress Mukt Bharat" - www.narendramodi.in | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 487 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.3.33 Rating: |
Ok. do we need to pray to it? let them pray.. how does it matter if one is aware of it or not or remember it?? | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5905 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
tammi... manam chennai lo oka sitting eddam future la.... 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5904 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: |
baaboo... how many times I have to re-iterate in this very same thread. I'm least interested in convincing others about my belief. edutivallanemo, define God, and since you cant define it you are non-existent ani teermaaninchi.... ninnu adigithe, define kaadu kaani, naa personal opinion annav... daanine convenience antaru..... if you are expecting something (definite answer) have a definite answer as your argument too! adi kudaranappudu, do not pass a generic statment like there are no true believers. 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 18364 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.229.193 Rating: N/A |
I think .. every particle .. life/lifeless/time/energy/space/vacuum/air/water/soil .. everything is God .. I think experiencing it is the best way to comprehend, what say? A community that can break the country is no minority - Sardar Patel "By education I am an Englishman, by views an internationalist, by culture a Muslim,& a Hindu only by accident of birth." - Nehru "Congress Mukt Bharat" - www.narendramodi.in | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 486 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.3.33 Rating: N/A |
what is convenient? u tell me what God is. | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5903 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: |
how convinient
mana opinion ki definition oddu, eduti valla belief ki maathram definition kaavali, and as they are unable to, their belief isn't a true belief antavu anthena 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 485 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.3.33 Rating: |
Excellent. tell me the procedure how to comprehend the incomprehensible and explain how it works consistently. tell what do you think is God. | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5902 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: |
if only I'm trying to convince that what I believe is correct. I already told that I have no interest in doing that. So, that is ruled out. My only point is, just because you cannot (its can, indicating capability) define god in a way you want ("Can we define God in way that we do not negate it in practice") if you dont believe in God, then there is no point in even trying to be such a believer. So, being on the other side of the fence, why do you want to comment that others, who do not want to define God, but accept him as he may be, cannot be true believers? Its immaterial what I believe in or what the other person doesn't believe in! What matters is logic in his statement, which I was objecting to. And since, logic is wrong his deduction is wrong too! 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 18362 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.229.193 Rating: N/A |
excellent .. this too is one school of thought .. which could be true too .. but is there a chance that our incapability to comprehend an infinite God and His/Her ways makes us perceive it as randomness? A community that can break the country is no minority - Sardar Patel "By education I am an Englishman, by views an internationalist, by culture a Muslim,& a Hindu only by accident of birth." - Nehru "Congress Mukt Bharat" - www.narendramodi.in | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 18361 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.229.193 Rating: N/A |
you dont have to just believe "God is infinite", you can experience it too, why ask others the reason? feel it/Him/Her yourself .. A community that can break the country is no minority - Sardar Patel "By education I am an Englishman, by views an internationalist, by culture a Muslim,& a Hindu only by accident of birth." - Nehru "Congress Mukt Bharat" - www.narendramodi.in | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 484 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.3.33 Rating: N/A |
define adi ani kadu kaani... my understanding or personal opinion rather is there is no purpose, its by chance. there is no why..there is only how. things are governed by physical rules. randomness need not mean super natural or so | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 11287 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
yes you can give 1000 diff arguments, but for others to agree with you, you have to give reasons the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5901 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
nope..... assalu nammakam leka pothe, I wont believe whatever you call as tangible/definable itself. nammakam leka pothe, I wont agree that an event has happened itself! Pluto planet ani define chesthe accept chestunnam ante we have some belief in astronomy and its proponents ani ardham and when it is no more defined as a planet annapppudu malli accept chestunnamu ante we still continue to believe in astronomy and its proponents ani ardham.... ledante why would I believe that there is an entity called pluto itself! I can present 1000 diff arguments to show why I do not believe 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 18359 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.229.193 Rating: N/A |
anduke .. ee discos tegavu kaani .. simplest definition of God is Mother/motherhood .. the love of a mother is boundless, infinite .. you/no one cant define it in its entirety .. (ofcourse ippudu TV9 crime report lo nunchi oka 'mother' ni teesukochi soopedithe nen jump )A community that can break the country is no minority - Sardar Patel "By education I am an Englishman, by views an internationalist, by culture a Muslim,& a Hindu only by accident of birth." - Nehru "Congress Mukt Bharat" - www.narendramodi.in | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 11285 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
 the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 11284 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
never said thats not a possibility, but to believe "God is infininite", whats the reason?
all sides batting sesthunna kadha.. seppalen the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 483 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.3.33 Rating: N/A |
in the absence of proof, nammakam = apanammakam. your nammakam is yours and mine is mine. no ground for argument or agreement. | ||
| Gandhiguevara Legend Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 39948 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 98.201.66.40 Rating: N/A |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTefTqaXRRg | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5900 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
leni god ni unnadu anukuntunnadu anukunte nee pov lo placebo, una God ni ledu anukuntunnav anukunte na pov lo placebo, leni god ni ledu anukuntunnavu anukunte nee pov lo aboslute truth, unna God ni unnadu anukunttunna anukunte naa pov lo absolute truth... deeniki ikkada kochi there are no more true believers ani generic statment deniki! believing that there are no true believers, is a belief in itself  1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 18357 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.229.193 Rating: N/A |
ala kaadu kada .. entha nammakam aina .. genesis should be based on some tangible/definable event/thing/person etc ani .. again they say excellent bhayya .. can u define what is life? and the genesis of life? A community that can break the country is no minority - Sardar Patel "By education I am an Englishman, by views an internationalist, by culture a Muslim,& a Hindu only by accident of birth." - Nehru "Congress Mukt Bharat" - www.narendramodi.in | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5899 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
nammakaaniki meaning telsina vaadu evvadu proof adagadu nammakaaniki.... 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Pavala Hero Username: Pavala Post Number: 17938 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 87.62.156.226 Rating: N/A |
nuvvu mundhu seppehe...theist atheist vo...excel update seskunta  BTW, RAJINI the KING alludu Dhanush USA rights PAVALA kuda pettaru ... Karchulu recover chehsina movies pedhaga levu eppativaraki- Agniparvatham | ||
| Gandhiguevara Legend Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 39945 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 98.201.66.40 Rating: N/A |
Super God created God | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 482 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.3.33 Rating: N/A |
kind of right | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 18355 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.229.193 Rating: N/A |
where is the body? body ekkada? .. i mean .. proof edi nee nammakaniki? anedi ikkada bhaavam ani anukuntunna .. A community that can break the country is no minority - Sardar Patel "By education I am an Englishman, by views an internationalist, by culture a Muslim,& a Hindu only by accident of birth." - Nehru "Congress Mukt Bharat" - www.narendramodi.in | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 481 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.3.33 Rating: N/A |
Can anyone explain what God is and who created it? | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5898 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
idi evaru certify chestaaru? nenu vallani enduku nammali naa nammakanni kaadani.... why should I care
deeniki kinda reply ichaa.... 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 18353 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.229.193 Rating: N/A |
leni God ni .. unnadu ani feel aipoyi .. kolichestaamu .. anduke define seyyamu .. anduke inconsistent ga untayi definitions .. ani vari feeling ani naa feeling .. A community that can break the country is no minority - Sardar Patel "By education I am an Englishman, by views an internationalist, by culture a Muslim,& a Hindu only by accident of birth." - Nehru "Congress Mukt Bharat" - www.narendramodi.in | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5897 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
still, that link doesn't make much sense in this context. If you care to explain what you intended, I will try to respond. Else, just forget it 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 480 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.3.33 Rating: N/A |
kind of the same sense what it means: http://psychology.about.com/od/pindex/f/placebo-effect.htm | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5896 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5895 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
it looks inconsistent and incoherent, as you are facing a vast ocean of things and one does not know where to start and how to start, so just rambles whatever may come to mind! That, again, doesn't necessarily mean, he isn't a believer! 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Farmer Side Hero Username: Farmer Post Number: 9130 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 70.198.5.44 Rating: |
varsham kuripinchagalanu ane nammakam meeku vundi vunte thadavakundaa vundataniki godugulu thechukunevaru .....nammakam leni chota varsham padadhu nayana...repu godugu thechukondi....nammakam ante entoo choopisthaaaa | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 479 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.3.33 Rating: N/A |
well said. if you want others' concurrence or endorsement or even to communicate it to others, you need to define it in terms of other's sensibilities. believers and nonbelievers use reasoning or need reasoning at some level to understand things. usually believers reasoning is inconsistent. | ||
| Tilak Hero Username: Tilak Post Number: 18350 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 14.99.229.193 Rating: N/A |
what if God is, the infinite?
A community that can break the country is no minority - Sardar Patel "By education I am an Englishman, by views an internationalist, by culture a Muslim,& a Hindu only by accident of birth." - Nehru "Congress Mukt Bharat" - www.narendramodi.in | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5894 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
dint understand, please elaborate what you intend by using the word placebo! 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5893 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
naah.. you dint understand the context... read nisarga's comment again. Based on the doubt that we may not be able to define god in our convenient way, he is making an assumption that there may not be any more true believers! In that context, was my post. One of the main attributes of God according to any line of thought in hinduism is that we are incapable of contemplating God, forget defining. Just because you are incapable of defining/explaining doesn't necessarily mean that you do not believe it (no true belief or partial belief; either believe it or not, in entirety) Coming to your point of presenting to others (as in other religion believers/atheists/agnosticcs), thats not my cup of tea! I generally do not venture into doing that as I know I am pretty bad in that Once I was interacting with a devotee from Iskcon for the first time; he asked me if I believe in God, I said yes; then he asked what was my belief. I starte like 'according to me, the concept of God is...', he said, ok fine, no need to elaborate, thank you! 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 478 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.3.33 Rating: N/A |
so... god is a placebo.. is it!!?? | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 11281 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
like a good bit of atheists these days .the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 11280 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
i dont think it can work that way!! if we are exposing/proposing ideas in the public domain, for others to be able to atleast understand it, it needs to be defined!! If a believer can define his God precisely or concisely, it makes it easier for others to end. Abrahamic god has pretty precise definition to what his attributes are and i feel that is the reason there are more open atheists in christianity/jewish religions than in any other religion. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Masularex Side Hero Username: Masularex Post Number: 3163 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 219.91.160.20 Rating: N/A |
like rgv said, believers are fans of their own beliefs ! forget about gods ! it is natural. I think society needs such stagnant strata ! | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 477 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.3.33 Rating: N/A |
Twelve Virtues of Rationality: http://yudkowsky.net/rational/virtues | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5888 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
your opening statement in itself is an impediment in your process of realization of God. If you do not believe in god, there is no point in defining anything. If you really believe in God, then, you wouldn't be looking to define him in such a way that it suits your convenience. Rather, you will change your way of life, thought and practice. 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Tifosi Junior Artist Username: Tifosi Post Number: 774 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 162.207.57.205 Rating: N/A |
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s10e12-go-god- go Watch this episode ... got a sense of deja vu looking at the posts in this thread As an agnostic, I feel extreme atheists are exhibiting all the disturbing traits that plague organized religion today | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 476 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 27.7.3.33 Rating: N/A |
to me it looks there are no real believers. Can we define God in way that we do not negate it in practice ....or if at all we can, does that God matter at all or has it any bearing on any worldly proceedings!!!? same old kochen i always ask. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14010 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Anta confident ga ela cheptunnaru valladi ignorance/innocence ani? Manadi Illusion(delusion) quotient ayyiundochu kada The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Dreamcatcher Side Hero Username: Dreamcatcher Post Number: 4395 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.86.145.68 Rating: N/A |
I will let you know how I feel when I wake up tomorrow morning, and then we can decide. :-) | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6962 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.111.122.203 Rating: N/A |
kind of. not as driven as it should be. halla bol in September I think. how's the summer? brace yerself for the winter. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Getafix Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 12741 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 151.151.109.15 Rating: N/A |
khoj, the search - on? | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6961 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.189.110.225 Rating: N/A |
kotha IQ emo - ignorance quotient, innocence quotient .. atlaa .. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5878 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
hahahaa if we have to go by his definition, I am more than happy to be on the minority side 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 11277 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
 Dawkins, Hitchens- though they are very good with expressing their own views, their aggressive approach makes it difficult for me to admire them. Ofcourse they usually get aggressive when they are talking to people who are pretty fundamentalists themselves. Hitchens is atleast honest when he says he is not atheist, but anti-theist . malli ooo thega Bertrand Russell ni vaadesukuntaaru .  the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14009 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
LOL Survey says people with higher IQ tend towards atheism ... But kinda andaru cheppindi atheists ekkuva analytical thinking untundi - that also contributes to brainpower building kada so maybe its a virtous cycle Dreamcatcher ki IQ test before and after cheyiste telustundi
Manaki leeway unchukoni majority ani oppukundamu antara ? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5874 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
naaku socrates quotes gurthochaayi... 'by all means marry, if you get a good wife you'll become happy, if you get a bad wife, you'll become philosopher' b/w philosophers ni intelligent kinda lekkesaado ledo 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6958 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.189.110.225 Rating: N/A |
gays gurinchemo? see they dont talk about intelliladies.. chekchists. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5873 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
okka saari aaa survey details chadivithe each line picha comedy gaa undi... highlight... intelligents mostly get married and hence dont need religion annadu... naaku navvu aagaledu..... 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6955 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.189.110.225 Rating: N/A |
ante annai, duniya la 90% theists antaru kadhaa. eellandhari kantey aa 10% ki ekkuva IQ unnatlaa? US lo aa top 1% gallalo chala mandhi religious zealots ye gaa. endho ee study anthu chikkatledh. balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5871 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: N/A |
IQ ekkuva unnavalllallo ekkuva mandi ekkuvagaa atheists avuthaarataa... 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Bushu Side Hero Username: Bushu Post Number: 6954 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 18.189.110.225 Rating: N/A |
inthakee, IQ ekkuvuntey atheists avuthaaraa? leka atheists aithey IQ perigidhaa? endhi linkuuu? balupu s/o gelupu | ||
| Pavala Hero Username: Pavala Post Number: 17924 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 87.62.156.226 Rating: |
philosophy ante saalu...dhooripoyi oxford dic lo unna words annee koorchi paras paras raaseshaav ga...  BTW, RAJINI the KING alludu Dhanush USA rights PAVALA kuda pettaru ... Karchulu recover chehsina movies pedhaga levu eppativaraki- Agniparvatham | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14008 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
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| Masularex Side Hero Username: Masularex Post Number: 3153 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 123.201.151.216 Rating: N/A |
http://www.amazon.com/Tattvabodhah-Swami-Dayananda-Sarawati/ dp/9380049439/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1375984042&sr=1 -1} hardcore cover 18:21$ http://cdn2.supergoodmovies.com/FilesTwo/ec406eff104142afa05 ac7f9b64e527a.jpg | ||
| Farmer Side Hero Username: Farmer Post Number: 9126 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 70.198.2.5 Rating: N/A |
thx | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14007 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Link to the thread http://www.chalanachithram.com/discus/messages/115/221955.ht ml?1375982882 The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 11276 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
spiritual nature * the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14006 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
LOL Thank God I am able to change my mind when presented with data to back up the claims The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 11275 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
towards the end Satish Kumar poses a good question about spiritual and scientific attitude towards it. pretty interesting discussion, with good respect for each others views. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Zulu Hero Username: Zulu Post Number: 19201 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 199.168.243.252 Rating: N/A |
idhigo nuvvu maree nasty ga thayarayyav e madhya | ||
| Farmer Side Hero Username: Farmer Post Number: 9125 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 70.198.2.5 Rating: N/A |
idhi jai andhra movement appudu kadha? | ||
| Farmer Side Hero Username: Farmer Post Number: 9124 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 70.198.2.5 Rating: N/A |
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| Zulu Hero Username: Zulu Post Number: 19199 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 199.168.243.252 Rating: N/A |
idhe maata nenu uthh lo unnappudu chepthey anand_n kadhu ani vadhinchaar..thellollu survey chesthey kani oppukoru..em chestham khandistham.. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14005 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Meeku calling thread vesi oka book recommending chesa - chusara ? The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Farmer Side Hero Username: Farmer Post Number: 9123 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 70.198.2.5 Rating: N/A |
our Db mod sheriff is an atheist...he has got a very high IQ....evaroo chepthe enduk nammutham...athane cheppaad | ||
| Ringo_rangaswamy Side Hero Username: Ringo_rangaswamy Post Number: 4700 Registered: 02-2011 Posted From: 162.134.72.7 Rating: N/A |
Religion is based on faith (does not mean bad). So questioning kante cheppindi accepting yekkuva. Atheists ki pani - as the name says - questioning everything Theists believe in. So atheists are not intelligent necessarily but reactionary and rebellious. Some of these atheists definitely explore material external world in an analytical way becase what they see they dont believe there is something higher. It is incorrect to say intelligent but it is better to say Atheists apply themselves to exploring analytically more than theists. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14004 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for the link ...Will watch after kids start school The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Dreamcatcher Side Hero Username: Dreamcatcher Post Number: 4394 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.86.145.68 Rating: N/A |
Sess, idi munday telisthay enta baagundedi...never too late, I am atheist now, hope my IQ goes up by at least 20 points by tomorrow. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 11274 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
yes, though i love to hear dawkins speeches. but these days atheist movement is turning "religious" in my view and that is creating alot of "believers" in athiesm. was listening to Enemies of Reason series, pretty good insights between satish kumar and dawkins http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Sqt-zqmrk the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14003 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
I don't believe anyone here or in the survey said that In search of truth enta percent of population ? Rest of them believe/disbelieve to help them live a better life
Heard on the the radio that recently Minnesota Atheists were the sponsor of a baseball game - Night of Unbelievable fun The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 11273 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.130.5 Rating: N/A |
statistics are pretty funny!! oka 200 years back, statistics choose chesukoni, most higher IQ people are believers ani, so that is the way to go ante ela untundhi!! neways, higher IQ means higher knowledge, and in away better ability to analyze. Now they might be loosing stigma of some age old beliefs, but how many atheists or theists really are in search of the truth is what matters to me. otherwise choosing a side either way is not really worth anything. unless like religions, atheist groups are planning to get into the number games. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 14002 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Doing good and the trip was great
That bolded word is the crux of all the differences Right , wrong ee thread lo debate cheyyataledu, more the causality of that belief
Ikkada varaku evaru dispute cheyyaru regardless of their belief system The belief in God/religion is one way to fill the need to explain why the events happen(ed) and everyone explains it differently BTW Einstein's God does not play dice seems to have been quoted out of context based on other readings... I beleive the complete quote is..transpose chese sariki meaning e maripotindi ani analysis chadivanu - can't recall where "You believe in a God who plays dice, and I in complete law and order in a world which objectively exists, and which I in a wildly speculative way, am trying to capture. I firmly believe, but I hope that someone will discover a more realistic way, or rather a more tangible basis than it has been my lot to find. Even the great initial success of the quantum theory does not make me believe in the fundamental dice game, although I am well aware that some of our younger colleagues interpret this as a consequence of senility"(Courtesy wiki ) Both sides have selectively used his quotes to claim him as their own posterchild Does it matter if he believed ? Not to me Ika agnosticism ante asalu belief system e kadu kada - anything is possible ane outlook The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Jambalahaart_raja Side Hero Username: Jambalahaart_raja Post Number: 3385 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 206.208.180.240 Rating: N/A |
Einstein could have been Agnostic. He did believe in God, and stayed away from that Entity. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein Einstein himself used variants of this quote at other times. For example, in a 1943 conversation with William Hermanns recorded in Hermanns' book Einstein and the Poet, Einstein said: "As I have said so many times, God doesn't play dice with the world."
Pinni gaaru elaa vunnaru? How was India trip? As for the topic, IQ and Agnostic belief-system gurinchi ledu endukani? There is definitely something beyond our reach, beyond our comprehension, that runs this entire show. Every man-made holy book acknowledges the same. Staying aloof is safer and peaceful. We are what we are because of our experiences and our perceptions. Jariginavi enduku jarigaayi, jarigevi enduku jaruguthaayi, manam enduku alaa react ayyaam, ika mundu elaa vundaali... Preparedness is the Key. Every Religion preached and proclaimed the same, viney vaallu sarigga vini ardham cheskokapothey yem cheyalem. "Best lesson for life - Keep Calm and deal with it, one day at a time!!!" - Charles Peckham Charlie Day, It's always Sunny in Philadelphia. | ||
| Raman Hero Username: Raman Post Number: 19967 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 59.92.72.162 Rating: N/A |
evadu wise o cheppalenu gani theist la daggara more money untundi ..fanaticism takkuva untundi hinduism context lo | ||
| Kalikaalam Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam Post Number: 8287 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 171.159.192.10 Rating: N/A |
chusthaa. yi madhya ye ideology kuda satisfaction gaa vundatam ledu. anninti lo yedo velithi. Basic gaa naku yemi kaavaalo, nenu yento ardham kaavadam ledu. age perigina proportion lo yi confusion/frustration peruguthondi.. | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13999 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Look up Deism - monna ma vadu Swamiji book on Eswara in one's life chadivi - how is this different from Deism ani adigadu so I read a little on that The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13998 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
Think he is talking from a mental perspective - daivadheenam/kharma ani vadileyyatam easier than taking responsibility for everything The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Getafix Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 12733 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 151.151.109.15 Rating: N/A |
Kopam,ego etc etc anni ganga lo kalipithene moksham ani gita lo chepthadu krsna and yet ivi ekkuva undeve believers lo. | ||
| Kalikaalam Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam Post Number: 8286 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 171.159.192.10 Rating: N/A |
yi rendu categories ki madhya lo inkokati yemi annaa vundaa?? | ||
| Getafix Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 12732 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 151.151.109.15 Rating: N/A |
i thought its other way round? atleast developed countries lo ayithe converse is true. | ||
| Kalikaalam Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam Post Number: 8283 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 171.159.192.10 Rating: N/A |
It is bound to be like that. Not so much of research is needed. | ||
| Thelegend Moderator Username: Thelegend Post Number: 25701 Registered: 04-2008 Rating: N/A |
Anand ji Meeru pettina link chudakundane naa post vesa ani jeptunna jusht disclaimer anukondi | ||
| Cinejeevi Side Hero Username: Cinejeevi Post Number: 3191 Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 69.147.191.23 Rating: N/A |
did Einstein ever acknowledged the presence of God? | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13995 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
??? Ardham kaledu
Evari opinion valladi - evolution of belief is interesting to some people (like me) The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Chakkera_keli Comedian Username: Chakkera_keli Post Number: 1740 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 206.39.12.241 Rating: N/A |
common sense.... it takes more effort to be an atheist than believing in god.... | ||
| Mario_puzo Side Hero Username: Mario_puzo Post Number: 2371 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 117.195.225.25 Rating: |
desam lo matram atheists kante "nenu atheist" ani cheppukotaki ista pade vallu ekkuva...sure ga | ||
| Cinejeevi Side Hero Username: Cinejeevi Post Number: 3187 Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 69.147.191.23 Rating: N/A |
ilanti papers ni jaggu batch publish chesi against sanatana dharmam pracharam chesi, marikondarini xtian gaa convert seyyaniki tappa enduku panikiravu anukuntunna.. | ||
| Thelegend Moderator Username: Thelegend Post Number: 25694 Registered: 04-2008 Rating: N/A |
Between Anand link chulled | ||
| Thelegend Moderator Username: Thelegend Post Number: 25693 Registered: 04-2008 Rating: N/A |
Of course God believers lo andaru untaru Atheists ante thinking outside the box, what if this that vallunnaru mostly. So mostly. Smart | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13993 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.147.72.44 Rating: N/A |
Mana belief pakkana pedite it is not illogical - religiosity stems from fear or dissatisfaction with current lot - successful people have less of both - kabira said Dukh mein sumiran sab kare Sukh mein kare na koi People look to religion to tide over tough times affluent people with no stresses have less reason - people in good relationships have less need ... Chinnappatinunchi indoctrinate ayina vallaki vartinchadu but people who choose one way or other ki apply avutundi anukuntunna The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim | ||
| Jatayu Side Hero Username: Jatayu Post Number: 2544 Registered: 04-2012 Posted From: 72.163.217.104 Rating: |
is this line not sufficient to prove that his research is junk If you are good at something.. never do it for free.. | ||
| Thikka_sankara Side Hero Username: Thikka_sankara Post Number: 5837 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 86.5.184.189 Rating: |
hahahhaa.... some key points to take away: bunch: The studies used in Zuckerman's paper included a life-long analysis of the beliefs of a group of 1,500 gifted children - those with IQs over 135 - in a study which began in 1921 and continues today. of the understanding on why religion "might be required" For instance, intelligent people are more likely to be married, and more likely to be successful in life - and this may mean they âneedâ religion less. woww.... what an insight.... intelligent people are more likely to be married!!! and hence they dont need religion hahahahah 1) 2004 lo bob samaikya andhra stand valla odipoyaadu not because of his performance in 2nd term 2) 2004 lo samaikya anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu.... 2009 lo separate andhra anna seemandhra lo dekha ledu... sooo seemandhra lo bob school katteyochhu | ||
| Jatayu Side Hero Username: Jatayu Post Number: 2543 Registered: 04-2012 Posted From: 72.163.217.104 Rating: N/A |
author bonda andi vadi bonda.. If you are good at something.. never do it for free.. | ||
| Filmbuff Side Hero Username: Filmbuff Post Number: 2258 Registered: 11-2011 Posted From: 122.160.66.90 Rating: N/A |
correct, daniki nidarshanam nene... | ||
| Atheist Junior Artist Username: Atheist Post Number: 937 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 125.99.197.136 Rating: N/A |
 pawan || ysr | ||
| Gandhiguevara Legend Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 39891 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 98.201.66.40 Rating: N/A |
alaa ani andaru atheists intelligents kaaru | ||
| Ntr_rocks Moderator Username: Ntr_rocks Post Number: 56075 Registered: 04-2009 Rating: N/A |
atheists..  | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 13992 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.147.72.26 Rating: |
Interesting article on correlations between IQ, theism and atheism http://news.yahoo.com/religious-people-are-less-intelligent- than-atheists--study-finds--113350723.html#upCr476 The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim |
