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     Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27615 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
perfect ga cheppavu .. last 200-300 years lo vachina degradation ni pattukuni .. Hindu society ni tittadu .. adi kuda whole history of some 3500+ years .. evado tellodu vachi thoo ane antha varaku manaki brotherhood ledata .. mari how the hell did our society allow such great artisans from sudras to flourish anedaaniki exception antadu .. wealth anedi pre-1700 India lo almost andari daggara undi .. mari ee last 300 years lo enduku ila ayyindi? ye gootle gallu resources kotteyyadam valla scarcity/droughts lantivi putti .. papam konni sections of society poor aipoyaaru? gootle naa kodukulu desam meeda padi dochukuni tinadam valle kada .. mari daniki Hindu society meeda edupu enduku? SCs ni untouchables laa treat cheyyadam evadanna samardhinchada? lede .. Dayananda Saraswati nunchi Vivekananda nunchi monnati Kanchi Sankaracharya varaku andaru tappu ane chepparu .. velli harijanula illalo undi society ni reform cheyyadaniki try chesaru .. avi evi gurtu raavu .. Jai Sri Ram  | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2982 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
mari itlanti generalizations chesetappudu gurtuku raava dynasties geographies ? baagane command tho cheptunnaavu gaa. mem chepte vinadaniki ento antha ibbandhi "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2981 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
sare mari nuvvu cheppe swati mutya puram nenu cheppe ooru edhi india lo common place o neeku teliyadhu antaavu. alaage kaanee "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27614 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
yaa .. avi tricks .. the people who lived with the harmoniously for more than 3 millenia after these so called rules were framed with them .. today suddenly became victims .. btw .. evarinanna join cheyyochu ante .. the field is wide open .. then you cannot play victim card ..
3000 + years nunchi Hindu/Indian society lo oppress avutunnaru annadi nuvve .. malli nuvvu perigina India lo antavu .. edo oka daniki confirm avvu .. either talk about all the history .. or last 200-300 years when the present caste system turned evil .. ika mee oorlo sangati baaga cheppavu .. maa oorlo sangati vinu .. maa oorlo (w.godavari dist lo more than 50-60 years back) maa intlo bhojanam chesevaaru .. chakali, mangali etc people .. when they worked for us .. andari laagane aritakullo tinevaru .. no separation .. poni nenu naa undergrad friends lo .. maa intlo .. nalgonda padmashali tho .. banswada ST (specific caste telidu) tho .. maa kanchallo memu tinnamu .. we never had any discrimination .. so mee family/oorlo problem unte dani gurinchi matladu .. dont say the whole nation is rotten .. caste ni sarigga use chesukunevallu kuda unnaru (may be a minority in present zamana .. but still insignificant kaadu)
chudu .. ivi nee posts .. BCs, STs ki valla traditional fields lo education always available within .. just like how brahmins had an access to vedas/shastras .. since it was a society based on varna/jathi .. alage economic freedom and social status kuda undane undi .. and neeku even till 1600 AD .. Yadava/Gurjar/Balija etc kings gurinchi list istune vacha .. ala kakunda .. local level lo kuda .. thriving economy lo .. artisans ki economic freedom ledu anadam is bullcrap .. (Indian economy was 25% of worlds GDP till 1700 AD) .. BCs ki STs ki .. temples ki access undedi .. so .. how the hell did you claim that caste oppression was something designed by a few people and majority people were oppressed all along in the history all across India??? where is the truth? Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Ruj Side Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 3630 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 174.53.240.142 Rating: N/A |
mama ee tokkalo sattires vaddhu..direct ga cheppu..reality ante enti? u mean to say ee roju unna paristhitulu anaa???adhe ga nenu cheppindhi kindha...diff timeslo diff socities istam vachinattu system ni hijack chesi ee supression modhalu pettaru..nothing to do with religious scriptures ani.. or do u mean to say gitalo clear ga by birth people r brahmins...sudras etc..ani please kindly supress sudras to the max extent possible ani chepparu ana nee uddesam?? Congress, the worst thing ever to happen to Bharat | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2980 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: |
eppudu idhe tension aa manaki evadu em pedthaadu ani medicine lo seat okkate naa manishi value ki praatipadika. repu podduna pakka oorodu godavaki vasthe mundundedhi medicine lo 1000 rank ochinoda lekapothe polam panulu chesi gattiga unnavaada. chinnappati nundi convent la lo chadive SC ST la ki ranks raavadam ledha ippudu adhena reality ? cheppu inka vintaniki ready "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Ruj Side Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 3629 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 174.53.240.142 Rating: N/A |
pt no 1: none of the hindu religious scriptures advocate any type of caste based supression.. pt no 2: appati societies system ni exploit chesi ee supression vantivi erparuchukunaru.. pt no 3: diff times appudu diff practices undevi...diff areas lo diff practices undevi....motham bharatha charithra mothamlo oke caste valani anaga gottinattu dakahalalu levu.. } Congress, the worst thing ever to happen to Bharat | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26706 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: N/A |
maa ooorlo ippatiki uppercastle lo 1000 medicine rank ki seat raaka moooskuntunnaru. telephone ryank gallu medicine chadivesi, farmacy vadini pettukuni, laaginchesthunnaru.. kiki kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Ruj Side Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 3628 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 174.53.240.142 Rating: N/A |
ee pt ni oka line quote chesi..out of context meaning teesi..krishna sudras ni pakkanolaku sevalu cheyamanadu..so all sudras today are treated in a lower manner anna meaning teese daniki tapatrayam... in reality it has nothing to do with birth..occupation/skill batti define chesindhi class system in gita.. amma anna kooda nee yamma anettu unnaru ikkada Congress, the worst thing ever to happen to Bharat | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26705 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: N/A |
mari only okkalla meedhey paduthunnav.. offcourse, vere-upper caste joliki velthey kosi kaaram pedathaaru.. kiki kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Ruj Side Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 3627 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 174.53.240.142 Rating: N/A |
Gita and caste system.. Although many Hindus subscribe to the belief that one is born into a certain caste this belief is not supported by their scriptures. The caste system in India has degenerated into a system falsely recognizing men born in Brahmin families as Brahmins, even though they don’t exhibit the qualities of Brahmins. This has caused so many problems. “Brahmanas, ksatriyas, vaisyas and sudras are distinguished by the qualities born of their own natures in accordance with the material modes, O chastiser of the enemy. “Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, knowledge, wisdom and religiousness–these are the natural qualities by which the brahmanas work. “Heroism, power, determination, resourcefulness, courage in battle, generosity and leadership are the natural qualities of work for the ksatriyas. “Farming, cow protection and business are the natural work for the vaisyas, and for the sudras there is labor and service to others. Congress, the worst thing ever to happen to Bharat | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2979 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
mari kindha oka 10 posts esi untaava majority evvar majority ekkada ani malli I know ani post enduku "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2978 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
adhe mari trick. kshatriya ani oka income source ni pettukunnaaru kadha. aa kshatriya loki money/power unna vaanni evarinanna join cheyochu. guptula kaalam lo evaru undeno teliyadhu kaani nenu perigina india lo yadav goud kummari kammari padmashali chaakali etc. maa oorlo ippatiki upper caste illallo vaallu chair midha kurchoru. vallaki separate glasses plates untai. maa cousins "friends" lower caste vaallu ainaa eppudu intlo bhojanam cheyaga chudaledhu. of course mee family antha reformers kaadhu anuko maa vaallu. but others can confirm or deny all these since i come from a different India than you cheppaavu gaa already mana agenda ki match kakapothe marxists o romila thapar followers o ayyi untaru "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Zulu Side Hero Username: Zulu Post Number: 7045 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.68.10.73 Rating: N/A |
nannu involve cheyyodhu rao garu ivi thege arguments kavu..20% ani sc/st/bc lani kalipi annav emo ani doubt vochi clarify chedhari ani post chesa..vunta..itlu bhavadeeyudu..zulu | ||
| Ruj Side Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 3625 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 174.53.240.142 Rating: N/A |
babu..ee maority evaru clear ga cheppu.lower castes ante u mean to say right from time immemorial..due to hindu scriputres,written by prieslty class..all BCs,Scs andSts of today faced oppression ana nee bhavam??? naaku ardham kavatledu.. kindha gitalo signature pettav..that is realted to job nature and has nothing to do with birth ante vinatledu..nee flow lo velipothunav.. shankaracharya clearly realized his mistake reg sudras ani motham oka episode undi athani charithralo..adhi vinatledu nuvvu.. nee pt ento oka 3lineslo cheppeyi.. Congress, the worst thing ever to happen to Bharat | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27613 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
} hello hello .. vachava .. majority of section suffer ayyaru untouchability valla annadu .. untouchability valla suffer ayyindi only SCs ani annanu .. and only SCs population .. no more than 20% annanu .. aa context lo cheppu .. I know that put together .. BC/SC/ST are around 60% of the society ani .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27612 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
1) Ememi rules frame chesaru? and 1-2% people ni rules frame cheyyanivvadaniki .. what the hell gave them the strength to do so? 2) lower caste people ante evaru nee drustilo? SCs aa? ala aithe vallu unnadi 20% of the population .. vallu majority ani evaru chepparu? BCs/STs ni oppress chesaru lanti kaburlu cheppaku .. BCs ki manchi economic opportunities unna occupations undevi .. STs were wanderers and tribals .. and vallaki kuda economic opportunities unnayi .. ika social status chusukunte .. BCs always lived within the mainstream society .. STs were out of mainstream society .. while BCs had free access into temples like others .. STs also had the same .. along with being sages/astrologers .. 3) ippati varaku nuvvu matladindi .. untouchability gurinche .. vere forms of oppression gurinchi matladaledu .. and nuvvu okati rendu sarlu matladina slavery/bonded labor are literally not related to caste oppression by brahmins or vysyas or kshatriyas .. evadu books rasadu .. evadu propagate chesadu anedi immaterial .. truth entha anedi important .. 4) kanisam mee oorlo nuvvu BCs ni oppress cheyyadam chusava? common knowledge antunnav? em ooru meedi? evaru oppress chesaru kuda cheppu .. ela oppress chesaru kuda cheppu .. common knowledge ani proofs lekunda tappinchukoku .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Zulu Side Hero Username: Zulu Post Number: 7044 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.68.10.73 Rating: N/A |
Only SC/ST population details are collected in Indian census. The SC/ST population is 24.4%.[13] Other Backward Classes After 1931,caste data is not collected for non SC/ST caste-groups in census. Mandal commission estimated OBC population based on 1931 census as 52%.There is an ongoing controversy about the estimation logic used by Mandal commission for calculating OBC population. Famous psephologist and researcher, Dr. Yogendra Yadav of the CSDS [who is a known votary of Affirmative Action] agrees that there is no empirical basis to the Mandal figure. According to him "It is a mythical construct based on reducing the number of SC/ST, Muslims and others and then arriving at a number." National Sample Survey's 1999–2000 (NSS 99-00) round estimated around 36 per cent of the country's population is defined as belonging to the Other Backward Classes (OBC)} | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2977 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
ante antaku mundu chitakkottesaara. maa thaatha "friend" SC anadaniki SCs suffered due to untouchability and caste discrimination and that is wrong anadaniki theda ledha cheppaanu kadha nidra natinche vaanni lepalem ani. Majority suffered attrocities ante majority SCs ani etlaa infer chesukonnavo naaku ardham kaaledhu. oppression anagaane only untouchability ani kuda nuvve ardham chesukunnavu. malli atuvanti misunderstandings anni kalipi naavi abaddaalu pogaru antaavu. anni assumptions enduku. nenu first nundi cheptundhi idhi 1)Rules frame chesindi priest class ( deeni tho ne digaaru mottam sangham) 2)Oppression ki guraindhi lower caste people. vaallu oorlallo majority 3)aa oppression ki "OKA" example untouchability. vere countries books lo chaduvukune maanava jaathi mottam siggu pade practice. went on much longer and much more widespread than black segregation in US. 4)common knowledge ki proofs adugutavu. ignore cheste thooch antaavu thed ending ki SCs ki against gaa atrocities jariginai BCs baagane unnaaru ani kotta stand teesukunnavu "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Sopathi Comedian Username: Sopathi Post Number: 1986 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.207.169.215 Rating: N/A |
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby".  India la theguva unna jaathulu moodu ... Sikh, Marati and Tamil. Rest mee bhayya banana ... | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26703 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: N/A |
annai... xians loki converted ayina, numbers emanna untey pettu. discriminate avuthey old days lo enduk convert kaledhu. ippudu enduk avuthunnaru. inkaaa discrimination vundhaa...  kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27608 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
nee tho discuss chesina very first posts lo cheppa .. aa practise ni maa intlo ne .. atleast 3 generations ga naaku telisi evaru follow avvatledu ani .. gurtu ravatleda? leka nidra natistunnava?
nuvvu ekkada perigavo anavasaram .. matladina matalu matram .. total untruths tho discuss chestavu .. arrogant ga matladatam lo eduru ledu .. chintha chachaka antavu .. bayata janalu thoo annaru antavu .. oorandaridi okadari ulipikattadi okadari antavu .. pantaloons, purse ramudu .. lazy pot bellied mouth workers antavu .. acidity control chesukuni post cheyyadam cheta kaadu .. neethulaki takkuva ledu .. BC/STs untouchables antavu .. mari India ni inko country undemo telidu .. majority section of society antavu .. lekkalu chuste 20% of the population kante lekka telatledu .. mari majority ela ayyaru?? ye agenda tho abaddalu matladutunnav? or agenda lekapothe amayakatvama tellodu evado edo raasadani? Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26702 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: N/A |
kanchaaaa ailayya GORU h1 lo kooda quota undalani, consulates ni adugutham ani selavi icchindruu kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2976 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
insecurity antaar. aduru. mana stereotype ae adhi kadha. that combined with flatulence  "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Sopathi Comedian Username: Sopathi Post Number: 1985 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.207.169.215 Rating: N/A |
I like the lessons in your signature.  India la theguva unna jaathulu moodu ... Sikh, Marati and Tamil. Rest mee bhayya banana ... | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2975 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
chupi ee thread lo avunu mari meeru okkare india lo perigaaru kshetra palakulu mem afghanistan pakistan la lo perigaam. tellodi topic nenu taelaedhu ani neeku telusu. ainaa edho taapatrayam. kaanee "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26697 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: N/A |
untouchability ledu..chintakai ledhu tammi. vaala services enduku teeskuntaru untouchablity vuntey. 18th century ,19th century lo kooda, nee lanti fake-sanman tyfus undi untaru.. edo raasi untaru.. ippudu ave praamanikam ga.. nee lanti fake-sodarulu vocchesthunnaru prooofs anukunta ani kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27606 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
nee chintha chaavalede inka .. BC/SC/ST untouchability .. tellodu vachi cheppaka etc etc .. nenu SCs were wrongly discriminated ani ippudu kaadu .. eppudo cheppa .. nee burra lo ki velladaniki ee matram time teesukunnattu undi .. paiga avatala valla posts gurinchi abaddalu okati .. ee thread lo nee acerbic tongue andaru chusaru ga .. vallaki ardam aithe chaalu .. what is it that you resort to ani .. basics kuda telivu Indian society gurinchi .. kaani discuss chestavu untouchability lanti ill-practices gurinchi .. adi kuda tellodu cheppadu anukuntu .. first correct factual information gather cheyyi .. appudu discuss cheyyochu nee intellectual capabilities tho .. ippati laa 'chintha chachina/time of reckoning/karma anubhavinche' lanti pichi matala tho kakunda .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2974 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
ee maata oppukovadaniki neeku 300 posts pattindihi. chintha chachina pulupu chaavaledhu annattu malli kavulu gaayakulu ani continue chestunnavu. when you think about a village in india is that who come to mind. nuvvu cheppina 5% pakka houses lo only FCs undevaaru annadhi naa vaadana. kaadhu anedhi needhi. let public decide who is right and who is wrong "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Raman Side Hero Username: Raman Post Number: 2029 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: N/A |
R vargam ante rajulu rulers according to this thed .. neeku naa fost anduloni comedy ardam kaledu. Ayina naalanti valla support J ki anavasaram ani telchi cheppinanduku tanks  | ||
| Edookati Moderator Username: Edookati Post Number: 2478 Registered: 11-2009 Rating: N/A |
thread sangathi vadileyyi Neeku naa postey ardham kaledu, Ninnu evaru J ki support cheyyamani adaga ledu, | ||
| Raman Side Hero Username: Raman Post Number: 2027 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: N/A |
neeku ee thed bottom line inka ardam kaledu .. It is B s always rajulatono leka 'R's tone pottu ettukuni papam dalits ni anagadokkaru adi asal talk I nevever had issues with R s though but I will never ever support J | ||
| Edookati Moderator Username: Edookati Post Number: 2477 Registered: 11-2009 Rating: N/A |
neee daggara vunnadi antha lakunnara , Inka emi emi anipistundi | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26696 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: N/A |
adhi vere vaala strategy kadha... papam R's meedha paddav kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Raman Side Hero Username: Raman Post Number: 2026 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: N/A |
intiki pilchi bhojanam petti | ||
| Edookati Moderator Username: Edookati Post Number: 2476 Registered: 11-2009 Rating: N/A |
Ninnu emi anichesaro konchem selavu istaavo | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26695 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: N/A |
uzzless, manam koooda fight jeddham, B's ni ST/SC loki tosi AGRA-dalit quota lo, reservations iccheya mani. kiki  kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Raman Side Hero Username: Raman Post Number: 2025 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: N/A |
mana state matukuR vargam andarni anichesaru ani talk  | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27602 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
exactly .. thats the beauty of Indian history .. see this ..
Yadava rajulu .. almost 500 ellu paalincharu .. adi kuda .. over a large territory .. kaani ee roju BCs (venukabadina kulalu) lo ki vacharu .. alage .. North India lo .. Gurjars ruled for almost 700 years .. ee roju Gurjars they are agitating that they be considered Scheduled Tribes .. alage Meenas .. Srikrishna Devarayalu .. Vijayanagara empire .. ee roju prakaram .. kontha mandi claim him to be balija .. mari aa rojullo ( 1300-1600s) .. his one of the wealthiest/strongest empires .. ippudu BC status kosam poradutunnaru .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Edookati Moderator Username: Edookati Post Number: 2475 Registered: 11-2009 Rating: N/A |
Final ga evaru evarini anagadokkaru, evaru anichi veyyabadarru | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26694 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: N/A |
offcourse agreed. anduke kadhaaa, maaaku meeeeru kavali. meeku memu vaddu anukunna kooooda ... kiki.. Gudisey login endhi vayya... maa grandfather vaalu voorilo, vaalu gudise ne undevaaru. not pakka building kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Raman Side Hero Username: Raman Post Number: 2024 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: N/A |
first of all India was ruled by a minimum of 10000 rulers @ any given point . veellugaka fuedals jamndars jagirdas inko konni velu evadiki vaadu swatantra rajulu .. evadiki vaadu swardam chuskuni palinchadu but blaming cheyyalsi vaste whole india and indians ni blame cheyyali mallee pandits ani pantaloons ani abuse cheyyalsina avasaram endo? Feudals chesina darunaalu inkevaroo chesi undaru dalitula meeda it is a different matter though .. maata vinaka pote lepestaru kabatti bhayam vanuku. ee bochugallandariki soft targets kaavali .. If some one wants answers should go deep into the sysstem and find out ante gaani evado sollu gani propaganda sadivi answers prooflu anta Ade antunna 1% brahmins tappa migata vallandaroo jakos ani confrm chestunnadu sanman kurrodu | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27600 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
ide .. goal post ni neeku anugunam ga marchukodam ante .. last 300 posts ga .. untouchability ani .. BC/SC/ST annavu .. nenu BCs ante evaru .. STs ante evaru .. SCs ante evaru .. explain chesi .. vellalo .. only SCs were treated like untouchables ante .. ippudu topic maarchi .. vere forms of discrimination antavu .. stick to one point at a time .. going forward .. we can discuss everything .. naaku interest emi ledu .. nijam ga jarigina daanni disprove cheyyadaniki ..
basis enti ante .. Bhakti movement period lo .. many saints and mahatmas in India are from .. SC and STs .. you can go and check on any of your favorite websites .. and more so .. there are lots of local kings from the very sections that we are talking about .. vaatiki chaala proofs unnayi .. avi kuda nuvve check chesukovachu .. but start with saints in the bakthi movement era .. and you will not be disappointed at all .. paiga .. all across India phenomenon adi .. and tellodu .. appatiki inka desam lo adugu pettani rojulu (edo tellodiki bhayapadi kind of situation ledu ani indication)
see .. u r contradicting your self here .. if it was about jathi and varna discrimination .. kammas/reddies/velamas/yadavas/balijas .. who all come under the "sudra varna" should have been ill treated .. but they were not .. alage .. padmasali, mangali, chakali, kummari etc people kuda .. were part of the mainstream society ne .. kaani I do agree that people like mala and madiga may have suffered (who were wrongly treated as Panchamas) ika .. 5% bunglows lo venakabadina kulala vallu kuda unnattu neeku proof is .. that many of them were local landlords .. warlords and kings of stature also .. alage .. if you want to go visit and see specific caste websites .. you can see how many great people from the backward castes in that zamana too .. acted like knights, chieftains, revenue collectors, horse breeders, poets, saints etc .. and vellu .. ippati nee "venakabadina kulalu" (loosely translates to BC) ki chendina valle .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Raman Side Hero Username: Raman Post Number: 2023 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: N/A |
kikiki 200 years of suffering ki proofs ettava? History lo chalamandi rajulu SC/ST laninche vacharu ani proofs unnayi kavala? | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2973 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
untouchability tappa vere forms of discriminations levaa ? deeniki basis enti ? gautama buddudi kaalam lo ne undhi ani establish aindhi kadha. 2000 years ago. proofs ivvu. SCs ante mala madhiga etc kadha. vaallaki 500 to 1000 AD periods lo society to brahmin, reddy, velama etc FCs ki equal gaa status unnaatu proof chupettu. also the original challenge aa 5% bungalows lo venakabadda kulaala vaallu unnattu prove cheyi "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27599 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
vaarini .. nee problem endayya saami .. FCs lo unna chala caste .. sudras .. avuna kaada? mari malli caste based antavemi? nuvvu untouchability ani .. BC/SC/ST ante ela? asalu BCs (same group of 150 castes) ni untouchability eppudu anubhavinchaledu .. and they had good occupations to support them economically .. like weaving, making pottery, agricultural machinery, animal husbandry etc .. and they lived in the main community .. where so-called FCs lived .. the people who were segregated .. from the main village were dalits .. who used to carry out menial jobs like dead animal skin collection, footware manufacturers, human scavengers etc .. and these people were .. at no time in history .. more than 15% of the total population .. so my objection to the incorrect usage of "BC/SC/ST untouchability and living in segregated huts" .. and STs picture lo ke raaru .. because .. they were wandering people .. who lived away from plains .. mostly in hilly areas and forests .. I have no qualms in accepting .. SCs suffered due to untouchability and caste discrimination and that is wrong .. that too in the last 4-5 centuries .. antaku mundu .. there were many people from SCs also .. who enjoyed a good social status in the Hindu (Indian) society .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2972 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
itlaa untadhi nee tho debate. BC ki SC ki full forms ento cheppi avi caste based aa economic status based aa cheppu. mottam 150 kulaala list pettaleka BC SC ante daaniki kuda eekalu peeku "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27597 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
ok .. let us not go into guptas kaalam .. but eppati nunchi consider cheddaamo nuvve cheppu .. like 1700 AD? or 1900 AD? .. nee istam .. pick a time of your choice .. alage .. BC/SC/ST ane classification has nothing to do with Hinduism .. adi economic standards ni batti chesindi .. that too by brits .. so I assume .. you are talking about late 1800s and the 20th century .. if that is what you mean .. I am game .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2971 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
i openly challenge 100% of those huts belonged to BC/SC/ST . malli ippudu nuvvu cheppina back in the day ante mauryas period aa guptula kaalamaa ani eekalu peekalu. pre and post independence anukundam. open challenge. disprove cheyi. thread close cheddam "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Ishan Moderator Username: Ishan Post Number: 9380 Registered: 01-2009 Rating: N/A |
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| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27593 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
neeku okati cheppana? emi anukoku .. this is the most silliest discussion I had on caste discrimination .. gudiselaki .. caste discrimination ki emi sambandam swami? poor people live in slums/huts .. and poor people can be from any jathi/varna/kulam .. daniki caste oppression ki sambandam ledu .. if ur intention is to point out to segregation of residential areas based on varna .. adi cheppu .. anthe kaani .. gudiselu anaku .. bcoz .. except for a handful of people who had wealth/income and agricultural lands .. who could afford "pakka houses" .. 95% of people .. back in the day .. lived in "tatched huts" .. and you can confirm with anyone here .. whether there is truth in this post or not .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2970 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
avunu gudisello adhe cheppukuntunnaaru. thank you card pampistaaranta santhakaalu pedtunnaaru "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2969 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
nee maatallone telustundhi jaathi ahankaaram . FC atrocities ki against gaa matladithe dalit ani assume chesukunnavu. dalit aithe baadha padalsina avasaram ledhu. vaallu kuda manushule. they are better than lazy pot bellied mouth workers with brain flatulence and other kind of flatulence issues. "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27590 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
lol .. eppudu raasaro teliyani Gita lo ne undi "Vasudaika Kutumbakam" gurinchi .. neeku tellodi bhayam valla ani anipinchochu .. tappu ledu .. neeku tellodu ekkuva aithe .. prapanchaniki kuda same ani anukoku .. Chandragupta Maurya lanti tribal ni 2300 years back emporer ga chesina India ki .. ye tellodu cheppalayya brotherhood gurinchi .. kiki
hahaha .. Valmiki, Vyasa, kabirdas, sant ravidas, meerabai lanti vallani pujinchina roju kuda Bharata desam lo .. gunam ni batti varnam anedi clear ga telusu .. nuvvochi brahmi icon veyyakkarledu .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2968 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
at least they are not denying it happened. ee pilakalau elakalu stories thone manam inkaa chepaala butta midha mootha petti naakem smell raavadam ledhe antunnaam "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26693 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: N/A |
daily morning 5am ki legisi 1 month daily chesthey, nuvvu koooda baaaaaga gurthu pattocchu... ademi BRAHMA vidya kaadu kadha... real daliths still take evening everyday. mee lanti fake-daliths bath morning..and still claim atrocities.. kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26692 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: N/A |
Pilliki Yelaka SAAKSHYAM aaa . tella-nalla concept telvadha enti manaki untouchability ante ento. kallu saaab ni adugu chepthaaru..... dont ask fake-dalits who enjoy anyway and claim attrocitieskRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2967 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
bayata janaalu thoo ane varaku manaku siggu raadhu kadha. ippudu vaadi bhayam thone kadha alternate brotherhood theories puttukostunnai. 2000 years varaku teliyaledha gunam thone kulam ani geeta lo cheppaaru ani aina tellodi certificate adigindi Basky_indya. tellodu baaga gurthu padatadu anukunta snaanam chesaama ledha ee flatulence problem enduku vastadhi ani "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27588 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
tellodi daggara emi telusukovali? vaadu mana country vadu kaadu .. mana culture telidu .. mana gurinchi understanding ledu .. ee untouchability ki suffer aina group .. mana country lo ne .. 20% kante ekkuva mandi anubhavinchaledu .. kaani daani gurinchi tellodini adagaala? tellodi authority enti .. India lo untouchability meeda? Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26691 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: N/A |
everyone has a right to choooose to whether mingle or not. konni tribal castelu asalu, bayata vadini chooostheney, champestharu.... raanivvaru, and they dont befriend them. evadi bhayam vadidi, evadi choice vadidi. okadi good habits share avvavu kaani okadi bad habits ventaney inkodiki vochesthai ga. what ya you must be knowing all theseeeee...... usa lo thokkalo: if ur credit history is not fine, then your not fine ani.. DECLARE chesestharu.. kiki kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Bunty717 Moderator Username: Bunty717 Post Number: 18280 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
evariko okari ki chendutaadi baabu ..inka oggeyandi.. oke song ki..okate disco dance last 4 days gaaa ..chass OT's own dialog: Pativrate kaani, gokite vastundi | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2966 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
baaga snaanam chesi tellodi daggariki poyi vaaanni adugu untouchability ante enti ani. mana charitra khandaalu dhaatina mana buddi matram inkaa maaraledhu "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27587 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
telidu .. oka sari brahmins antavu .. oka sari forward castes antavu .. oka sari forward classes antavu .. nuvvu clear ga matladakunda .. nenu guddu pettanu .. daaniki vechati weather ichi .. podigettu cheyyandi ante .. why the hell will we be doing so? nee problem ento nuvvu clear ga cheppananta kaalam .. there will be questions raised .. ika oorandaru/ulipikatta .. i dont think .. you represent oorantha .. bcoz .. if Hinduism meeda grouse unte .. under the worst of administrations and ideologies lo kuda .. more than 80% of the country Hindu ga undadu .. especially when they have all the avenues in the world to change to a faith that does not discriminate them .. so please reconsider your oorandaru statement to reflect more truthful component this time .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26690 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: N/A |
the nature of business they conduct demand this tammudu. kooolie chese vaadu, 7am ki Legisi, SNANAM chesi pothey emi labham. kasta padi panichestharu kabatti, evening 7pm ki bath chestharu. always a groupism established based upon certain habits,food,climate etc kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27586 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
lite le annai .. mundu .. asalu FCs ante evarevaru anedi clear cheyyali ga .. konni posts lo Brahmins tight control annadu .. fine .. alantappudu .. Brahmins abuse chesaru ani posts veyyali kaani .. anavasaram ga .. Kammas/Reddies/Kapus .. lanti FCs andarini kalipi papulani cheyyadam deniki? let me exhibit his anguish .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2965 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
oorandaridi oka dari ulipiri katte dhi oka daari annattu evariki leni doubts neeku matrame enduku vastai neeku. bottom line enti ? neeku teliyadha nenu deni gurinchi matlaadutunnaano. oorike kodi guddu midha eekalu peekadam tappa "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26689 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: N/A |
avunu nuvvu Gochi biginchavu kadha.... tappadu mari...belt thiyyali.. atrocities aaa.... enti okati chepppu.... edhi takkuva ayyindhi 'gudisela' vallaki.. mandha,maguva,mukka,chukka... comeon say me yaa... em restrictions unnai vaala meeeedha kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2964 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
tellodu ae caste ? only FCs snaanam chestunnaara ippudu india lo. aadi daggara baagane ani manigi untaam gaa village lo enduku leni poni pattimpulu "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27585 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
clear ga cheppu babu .. ee FCs evaru? etuvanti attrocities chesaru .. andaru kalisi chesara? kondare chesara? ellappudu chesara? 95% last 200-300 years lo ne jariginda? please try to be as much precise as possible .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Telugu_times Moderator Username: Telugu_times Post Number: 23528 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
SC's ni anichesaaru...anay prathi vaallu....SC's ye naa? vaallandhariki, telephone ranks ye naa? TOEFL, GRE or H1 lo kooda quota emainaa untundhaa?  | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2963 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
adhi. finally belt teesaaru. history lo FC attrocities ki against gaa matlaadithe reservation ani assumption. that is hindu pride. "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27584 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
LOL LOL .. FCs antunnav .. AP lo FCs ippudu unnavaallu .. almost 30% of the population .. (Brahmins/Vysyas/Kshatriyas are FCs anedi maaripoyi .. Brahmins/Vysyas/Kshatriyas/Reddies/Kammas/Velamas/Kapus etc etc) ki vachesi more than 2 centuries avutondi ..so you should make it clear who, according to you, comes in the "majority section/minority section" .. clear definitions lekunda wild allegations chesesi .. hence proved ani raasestha ante ela? be clear and patient dude .. we will get to the conclusion part some time .. and Backward Caste people around 35-40% of the population untaru .. and these are not people who were under untouchability etc .. so it boils down to SC/STs .. STs were tribal adivasis .. living in forests .. with an expertise and economy of their own .. due to the natural riches of the forest .. socially .. not all STs were treated untouchables .. SCs are people who have had to face the maximum oppression of untouchability .. which is undeniably wrong .. by any standards .. but how like with any other section .. what is their population??? 10-15% .. mari .. how come were they successful in prompting you to term them as "majority section" .. whats the motive??? I hope you come with clear posts .. rather than .. threaten people at gun point to accept to your terms .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26688 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: |
BATH cheyyakunda daily 8am Office ki Po. Tellodu choopisthadu UNTOUCHABILITY, DALIT,PILIT ante ento kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26687 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: |
Reservation kaavala Reservation.. TelephoneNumber Rankers gallu koooda commenting ye kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2962 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
naa yokka valla kaavadam ledhu ee comedy. inkasepu aithe untouchability ante enti dalit ante evaru lanti posts padetattu unnai"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2961 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
majority minority ante ento kuda ardham katledhu janalaki. ae oorlo aina oppress chese FCs entha mandhi untaaru BCs entha mandhi untaaru ? patels entha mandhi untaaru paalerlu entha mandhi untaaru. bangla lu entha mandiki undevi gudiselu entha mandiki undevi. ivevi teliyakunda ne india lo perigaaru "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27583 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
hahahaha .. malli ade sodhi .. prapanchaniki nijam telisthe .. ela telisindo cheppali ga??? caste discrimination slavery antunnav .. tightly designed by brahmins annavu .. if thats the case .. we have almost 90% population outside the brahmin/vysya/kshatriya varna people .. malli vere posts lo .. forward castes / forward classes antunnav .. thats like the silliest argument ever come across .. forward castes definition maaripoyindi .. post-british rule .. forward classes definition is again different .. so .. nanganachi laa .. goal post oorike change cheyyadam aapesi .. who was oppressed .. how were the oppressed .. and how many such people make it into the "majority section" .. again .. is this a pattern across the whole of India .. from Kashmir to Kanyakumari .. from Arunachal to Gujarat? (and Sindh/Kabul probably?) ila matladu .. anthe tappa .. nee vankara posts ki jai anakapothe nanganachi ani noru paaresukoku .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2958 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
discuss cheyali ani interest unte asalu discrimination jarigindhaa ? aa state lo jarigindhi ? ae time frame lo jarigindhi ? ae dynasties lo jarigindhi ? itlanti nanganachi questions veyakunda prapancham mottam telisina nijaani kallu muskoni maaku kanipinchadam laedhu ani post la ki post lu time waste enduku "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27580 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
majority section ani vaadindi evaru? nuvva? inkevaranna na? malli vere vallu neeku lists suppy cheyyala??? LOL .. if u want to argue .. come with facts .. not with loose terms .. majority section suffer ayyaru .. caste discrimination/slavery valla .. nenu I disagree antunna .. I am asking who is the "majority section" ani .. adi cheppakunda .. bhujalu, panthulu, pantaloons, pundits .. denikayya ee comedy .. nuvvu clear ga list pettu .. who comes under your majority section .. I will come back with what kind of info I have to refute you .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2957 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
nidra potunna vaanni lepochu gani natistunna vaanni lepalem ani maa gullo pantulu gaaru cheppaaru. desam lo ae state lo ainaa forward classes % entha bc/sc/st % entha list vettandi. asalu deni gurinchi discuss chestunnamo anna ardham aitundhaa lekapothe just oppression anagaane bhujaalu lestunnaya "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27576 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
sodhi kakapothe .. definitive words lekunda .. majority section suffering ante emani ardam seskovala annai? edo ala .. loose ga terms vaadesi .. bemmi, ali icons eseste .. calm ga koorsovaala? asale slavery lanti darunala gurinsi mattadutunnam .. definitive ga lekafothe ettaaa? Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 13272 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.169 Rating: N/A |
malee startaa? vela yella kritam ninchi unna buradani ippudu kondari meedaki challite clean ayipotundanta vadleyyi .. Abuser entha decent cuttings ichina finally end up as an abuser ...ani coke cheppamannadu .. I'm not a kurradu | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27574 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
"majority section suffering" gurinchi emanna details unnaya .. leka vonly bemmi icons and ulterior posts ee na? Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2956 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
pandits inkaa caste discrimination ledhu ani argue chestunnaara. asalu mee baadha ento cheppandi vaa clear gaa. konchem sepu discrimination ledhu antaru konchem sepu undhi antaaru. matter clear chesi oogandi. andaru shakaaharulu aithe chepala butta maayam etlaa aindhi"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 13270 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.169 Rating: N/A |
I'm not a kurradu | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27569 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
annai .. next year nunchi senior citizen discounts vastayi .. ee vayasu lo ee fight enti meeku .. hayi ga rest teesukondi .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2831 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: N/A |
Kamal, nuvvu alaa numbers and stats adigithey nenu oppukonu......maree too much chesthannaav......alaa oka narrative pattukuni andulo munigipoyi, head teesukelli sand lo petteyaali discussion antey...... ee pin pointed questions adigithey, I ain't gonna discuss anymore.....my head is way up my assx and hurting already...I can't get it any further up..... | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27566 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
please clear one thing to me .. "who" is the majority section .. define cheyyi nuvvu naaku .. it is it adivasis (ST)? is it adivasis and dalits (ST and SC)? Is it adivasis and dalits and Sudras (ST + SC + BC + few "FC"s) .. vague ga .. majority section is suffering antavu .. who the hell comes under that majority section .. and who does not .. clear ga cheppu .. then we can discuss .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2830 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: N/A |
>>>>>>>> if you are not learning anything from history, grab the tools and start building the wheel >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think there is a difference between learning from history and trying to attribute things, twisting facts, rejecting truths, formulating a prism view to feel good by defiling others.... | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2829 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: N/A |
plunderers, pillagers and looters ki oka manchi fevicol bandham avasaram.....so they need to DEFINE things and keep the group together......or shall we call it RELIGION..... "explaining how world works" ni nee istam vachchinattu twist chesi "define chesaaru, originate chesaaru" and now I am gonna find out who the culprit for a system that DEFINES "division of labor" antey........ good luck with that... kikiki....idi elaa undi antey, Krishnudu (Real?) define chesaadu and then division of labor start aipoyindi annattu undi.........kaamedy pandistannaav... | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27565 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: |
DB lo caste census emanna teesukuntunnava roju? how do you know who is who asalu? and why the hell should any body be embarrassed by anything that he is .. bullshut .. I proudly proclaim I am a sudra and am not embarrassed and if someone thinks I am inferior .. I dont give a rats ass .. I have a pride in my identity .. while I respect it the same way for others .. anthe tappa .. andaru FCs ani assume chesukuni .. BC/SC/STs are embarrassed ani cheppadam is very cheap .. chala trivial ga matladutunnav .. and i am pretty sure .. nee so-called bowling lo whining ekkuva .. winning takkuva undi anipistondi naaku .. Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 8441 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 117.195.200.146 Rating: |
lol...veellu brahmins kindha etla vastaaru?....velleu worse than sudras, parasites of humanity | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2828 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: N/A |
malla jump kottaav........system abuse loki vellipothaav.......hindu RELIGION annaav........caste system itself is heinous antaav....poni adi leni society undaa antey example cheppav.... the basic premise that you think someone originated it and defined it anedi wrong anukuntaaa........it is how the world works ani explain chesaaru ancient texts lo or Gita lo.....define cheyyaledu....Indian astrology or any other field, they are more like observations and explanations than definitions...... that is the basic difference between these faith based religions that define how a christian should be or Muslim should be........therez no definiton of how to be a Hindu...everyone comes under the social stucture /caste system explained...... >>>>>> i dont believe in altruism >>>>>>>>>>>> ain't that the easy way for all your intellectual curiosity in trying to find and fix the blame on someone? mari pouring your heart for the so called oppressed ni elaa ardham chesukovaali? yedo okati cheppeyi...paduntadi.... bottomline, caste system elimination ki try chestunnaavaa? or caste system is natural and unavoidable....but daanni improve chestaanu antunnaavaa? | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2954 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: |
so why isnt this class structure more fluid based on characteristics of each generation ? if you take a village as a society, how come the same castes continue to be poor or prosperous for hundreds if not thousands of years ? or are we still challenging that premise here well you and your friends were somewhat successful in steering the initial discussion of who and what is responsible for untouchables in india to distribution of labor in world civilizations lol "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 361 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.45.60.104 Rating: N/A |
as a scientist, try to model human evolution randomly assigning different characteristics to each human.. and see if after several generations, you end up with an inequitable society.. stalin tried to guide the evolution with disastrous consequences.. Fact of the day: kshatriyas in many parts of the country are BCs anta.. Good night. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2953 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
no it doesnt. the disparities in indian classes are not god made. they are man made. i am trying to find answers to how it was done so effectively for so long that looks too advanced for my understanding "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2952 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
lol majority section suffering is not called collateral damage. it is called unequitable distribution of resources. yes. in an evolved society it is based on the choices people make. not based on their birth. i pay taxes dont i. i dont believe in altruism if you are not learning anything from history, grab the tools and start building the wheel "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2827 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: N/A |
>>>>>> where did castes originate from ? where is the basis of caste system ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> oka manchi muhurtham choosi evaro modalu pettaaranukuntaa.....padi mandi koorchuni, this is king, these two are brahmins, those 3 are traders, those 3 are warriors/sudras, lets make this one guy here as a dalit ani start chesi untaaru..... endi bhayya maree daarunam....antha explain chesthey malla modatiki vacchaav?????...... BTW, maa christians lo kooda worker class, traders, rich and other classes unnaayi....how can we get rid of this HINDU RELIGIOUS Crap out of our societies.....what do you think they originated from? what is the basis of division of labor?.........daanamma jeevitham...even ants have this division of labor system it seems.....HINDU RELIGION vaatini kooda naasanam chesesindi.... ok, I am just kidding....take it easy.....have fun......good nite....I think Im done here....... | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2950 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
please be more specific. not obvious sarcasm or someone's illogical statements raised to absurdity to point out the lack of logic. undocumented history ante timmi ni bammi chestaaru kani look around ante i say the same thing. look around. i see people from lower castes still being discriminated everywhere. ee DB lone chudu. tell me how many people claimed they are BCs or SC or ST. arent there any ? either they are underrepresented or embarrassed strangely in our country these lines run parallel to castes. where did castes originate from ? where is the basis of caste system ? "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2826 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: |
>>>>>>> good analysis. so abdul kalaam is a tulak brahmin ani mee point. good. mari oori chivarana gudiselu ekkada nundi vachinai. eppudu modalainai. i can see the references to the same social structure as far down the timeline as mahabhaaratha. modern india lo undhi. middle ages lo undhi. bc lo undhi. bhaaratham lo undhi. asalu lenidhi eppudu >>>>>>>>>>>>> nuvvu cheppu...marginalized people leni society ekkada undi?....please migrate to that utopian society even if it takes a time machine....... ee kaamedy endi?.......in today's world ghettos levaa?.....sudans levaa?......slums levaa?......homeless leraa?........ secular liberal intellectual society kosam paritapistunnaavaa?..... bandi munduku povaalantey frictional losses untaayi.......system running ki collateral damages untaayi.......anthey gaani ee paniki raani "perpetual motion machine" kaamedy enti?........adi kooda possible emo naaku teleedu.......but human nature lo perfection vethakadam maanesi "PPL SUCK" ani gattigaa aruvu...gundey baruvu tagutundi...... ee roju nuvvunna society lo inni akraamaalu unnaayi kadaa.....nuvvu nee greed vadilesi society kosam sacrifice chesoyyochchugaa nee life ni...and change it to perfection.... Careful standing in front of the mirror......what if it feels like puking the guts out?.........ivaala leni people ni baaga question cheyyochchu.......verryyyyyy easy.......manalni manam question chesukodamey kastam.... | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 360 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.45.60.104 Rating: N/A |
dude, your question basically boils down to this: "if God created us, why did he create us unequal? " this question is as old as philosophy itself and has been done to death in various theologies and philosophical schools in various ways.. that's why for example, you have this whole theory of karma and how you alone are responsible for your actions in indian traditions and in christinaity, you have the concept of will.. i already mentioned this in the previous post, but you are so happy cutting sentences and quotes in the middle and having a fruitless discussion.. if you really intend to understand, you can start with reading this purely non-scriptural point of view of advaita: Advaita Vedanta : A Philosophical Reconstruction http://www.amazon.com/Advaita-Vedanta-Reconstruction-Eliot-D eutsch/dp/0824802713/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1310181201&sr=8- 1 The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 359 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.45.60.104 Rating: N/A |
haha.. exactly looks like that.. first quote something out of context.. when challenged and true quote presented, change the target and do the same thing all over.. and on top of all this, misrepresenting opponents positions..
look around you and try to analyze who is discriminating who and where.. you see brahmins discriminating in bureaucracies, reddy/kammas (not so called scriptural upper castes?) discriminating in politics, vyshyas discriminating in businesses, landed farmers discriminating labourers, and even among the "untouchables" you see the "upper" castes among them discriminating against the "lower" castes.. depending on the region and the regional power structure, the discriminator is the local top guy and the discriminated is the local bottom guy.. that'll always be how the nature plays out.. technology changed and will change the more or less permanent positions of the top guys and the bottom guys.. but without a strong culture, this technology can also be used efficiently to wipe out entire races like in nazi germany.. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Telugu_times Moderator Username: Telugu_times Post Number: 23522 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
off topic usa lo, from which city/state? | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2949 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
i am not sure how that can be subject to interpretation . seems pretty clear "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2948 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
good analysis. so abdul kalaam is a tulak brahmin ani mee point. good. mari oori chivarana gudiselu ekkada nundi vachinai. eppudu modalainai. i can see the references to the same social structure as far down the timeline as mahabhaaratha. modern india lo undhi. middle ages lo undhi. bc lo undhi. bhaaratham lo undhi. asalu lenidhi eppudu "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 358 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.45.60.104 Rating: N/A |
probably you should learn to read more carefully.. even if god created men (several interpretations here in upanishads themselves about "god" and "creation"), what happens to men after that is determined by their actions alone.. if your understanding is to be taken as what Bhrigu meant, then we don't need to have this whole theory of karma, etc.. M-S gave the starting point below..
The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2825 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: N/A |
Sanman, You gotta leave that word "Religion" out man.. ok let me give an example...... I am Mastan Reddy, a devout Christian who wakes up in the morning, prays my beloved Jesus........and then tiffin box kattukuni kooli pani ki pothaa.....so I am a IT skilled worker class person....and Hinduism (social structure) depicts me where I belong......skilled IT Sudra.....I am a Christian and I fit into Hinduism and caste structure......I ain't excluded...I still belong... BUt now, this guy Kamal is born into a Brahmin family, prays his beloved PadmaNaabha Swamy (richest now, ofcourse who else).........and then tiffin box kattukuni kooli pani ki pothaadu.....so he is a IT skilled worker class person.........and Hinduism/caste system (Social structure) depicts him where he belongs...skilled IT Sudra......but hehe...he doesn't belong in my "RELIGION"......he ain't no freakin christian.......he is excluded..... hope this makes sense.......and talking "Caste System" in terms of religion doesn't do any justice....... now, first lets get this clarified and then we can jump into your abuses of the social system of caste structure..... or just agenda based discussion and so I just keep on jumping everywhere and anywhere antaavaa......continue and good luck.... As a christian I can deny all I want, but then I belong to a class (caste).....thats the reality.......and then we have Utopia.... | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2947 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
great. in Indian history could you focus on the tools used by upper/privileged classes to keep the lower/underprivileged classes in ignorance for thousands of years ? or do you blame the underprivileged for not realizing their plight and fighting it "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27560 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
you know what .. you will never find out anything substantial about Hinduism .. the reason being .. you are fixed in your mind about a hijack and the resultant benefits for a few .. good luck finding your utopia atleast ! Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 357 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.45.60.104 Rating: N/A |
technological progress combined with good cultural values will reduce the threshold for a more equitable society.. values or technology alone won't be of any use for us to overcome the natural inequities.. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2946 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
oh ok so they were created that way. i thought those classes were attained not born with. brigu is contradicting himself here with what he said in the first para "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2945 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
please wait while stick a twig up my a.ss so i can act uptight like pandits "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 356 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.45.60.104 Rating: N/A |
Quotation akkaditho aapesava.. you should have continued instead of "scanning for contradictions" http://vyasabharata.org/MAHA12.pdf (full shanthi parvam) Bhrigu said, "Brahman first created a few Brahmanas who came to be called Prajapatis (lords of creation). Possessed of splendour equal to that of the fire or the Sun, they were created out of the energy of that First-born Being. The puissant Lord then created Truth, Duty, Penance, the eternal Vedas, all kinds of pious acts, and Purity, for enabling creatures to attain to heaven (by practising them). After this, the Deities and the Danavas, the Gandharvas, the Daityas, the Asuras, the great snakes, the Yakshas, the Rakshasas, the Serpents, the Pisachas, and human beings with their four divisions, viz., Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaisyas, and Sudras, O best of regenerate ones, and all the other orders of creatures that exist, were created. The complexion the Brahmanas obtained was white; that which the Kshatriyas obtained was red; that which the Vaisyas got was yellow; and that which was given to the Sudras was black." Bharadwaja said, "If the distinction between the four orders (of human beings) be made by means only of colour (attribute), then it seems that all the four orders have been mingled together.Lust, wrath, fear, cupidity, grief, anxiety, hunger, toil, possess and prevail over all men. How can men be distinguished by the possession of attributes? The bodies of all men emit sweat, urine, faeces, phlegm, bile, and blood. How then can men be distributed into classes? Of mobile objects the number is infinite; the species also of immobile objects are innumerable. How, then, can objects of such very great diversity be distributed into classes?" Bhrigu said, "There is really no distinction between the different orders. The whole world at first consisted of Brahmanas. Created (equal) by Brahman, men have, in consequence of their acts, become distributed into different orders. They that became fond of indulging in desire and enjoying pleasures, possessed of the attributes of severity and wrath, endued with courage, and unmindful of the duties of piety and worship,--these Brahmanas possessing the attribute of Passion,--became Kshatriyas. Those Brahmanas again who, without attending to the duties laid down for them, became possessed of both the attributes of Goodness and Passion, and took to the professions of cattle-rearing and agriculture, became Vaisyas. Those Brahmanas again that became fond of untruth and injuring other creatures, possessed of cupidity,--engaged in all kinds of acts for a living, and fallen away from purity of behaviour, and thus wedded to the attribute of Darkness, became Sudras. Separated by these occupations, Brahmanas, falling away from their own order, became members of the other three orders. All the four orders, therefore, have always the right to the performance of all pious duties and of sacrifices. Even thus were the four orders at first created equal by Brahman who ordained for all of them (the observances disclosed in) the words of Brahma (in the Vedas). Through cupidity alone, many fell away, and became possessed by ignorance." The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26682 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: N/A |
koddiga control lo undi post cheyyi SALMAN KHAN kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2943 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
ok so what is your alternative theory ? i am claiming that (mis)using the teachings in religious books a strong class system is enforced by the upper classes, voiding major sections of people - knowledge, education, opportunities, equality and freedom. our mythologies are filled with references to birth based caste and how they were denied the same opportunities for the same exact reasons. so far majority of posts against my claims in this thread are trying to either show exceptions or question the historical accuracy of the above said oppression itself. Some people are trying to undermine the issue saying it happens everywhere so its not a big deal. I am trying to find out how a great religion was hijacked so easily by a few for their own benefits "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 355 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.45.60.104 Rating: |
misrepresentation of opponents views is the first step of admitting weakness in your own arguments.. nobody is claiming there is no caste (based on birth) discrimination in india.. what i and most of us here are arguing is your absurd point that it is prescribed in some "holy" books and so everybody decided to follow it.. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27551 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
LOL .. ala ani evaru chepparu .. can you cite one post .. of anybody .. that says that there was NO caste discrimination??? denikayya .. ila vankara posts? emi sadhinchali? Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 354 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.45.60.104 Rating: N/A |
why are you so eager to blindly follow some thing just because it is supposedly told by some great guy 1000s of years ago? learn, validate with your own experience, refine - repeat this till you find your own mukthi.. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2941 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
brahmins sharma shastri lanti tags B-Mat exam tarvaatha pettukovachu kadha. chinnappat nunde enduku. puttuka thone evaru brahmin kaaru gaa "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2940 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
kevalam ee thed lo pandits posts evaranna non indians chuste ilaa anukuntaar - 1) Caste = occupation based class. there are new castes in 21st century like network admin, business analyst, venture capitalist etc 2) Baga knowledge unna vaalla intiki limo vachi vallani teesukelli upanayam chesi ika pai nuvvu brahmin vi po ani cheppi pamputaar 3) asalu indian history lo caste based discrimination lene ledhu. akkadakkada isolated random incidents tappa dalits ni FCs sontha tammulla laaga chuse vaar 4) kulam puttuka tho raadhu. knowledge ni batti dhariyam batti andaru decide chestaaru "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Ishan Moderator Username: Ishan Post Number: 9377 Registered: 01-2009 Rating: N/A |
sanman kurrodaa iyanni kaadu kaani nee main kochens ento klupthamgaa bullet points lo adugu...clarity important | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27548 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
babu .. neekoka dannam .. enti ee rathalu .. Ravanudu/Vibheeshanudu .. brahmin father ki puttaru .. kaani Ravana (though a scholar of Sama Veda) was not a brahmin .. while Vibheshana is brahmin as he had the qualities that were needed to be one .. ika nee B-Mat exams eppudu conduct chesaru lanti sattires pakkana pettu .. how can you presume .. dhuryodhana was not a sudra .. bcoz he failed to live by dharma? what made you give that statement? Jai Sri Ram | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27547 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
entha paddati ga discuss chestavo chudu .. malli neethulu cheppamante cheptaav ga ... lies ni defend chestonte frustration .. etc etc .. anyways .. asalu who is a hindu .. who is a hindu ani 100 times adugutunnav .. nee favorite website .. www.google.com marchipoyava? adi emi cheptondi? When your enemy calls you 'Shershah', you are none other than Param Veer Chakra Capt. Vikram Batra. For him, the Tiranga was more than a piece of cloth! Jai Hind! | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 5648 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 71.91.7.127 Rating: N/A |
kindha nenesina post lo list ettanu kadha? avi sellava? krsnudu was born kshatriya, yadavas were kshatriyas duryodhana, karunudu, ekalvya valla castes maaraledhu, yevari perspective lo? appati society might not have accepted them initially, but karna became a kshartiya, ekalavya was also accepted as a kshatriya. parasuramudu was always a brahmin, he never intended to become a kshatriya, he was against teaching yudha dharma only to kshatriyas, he was a teacher not a practitioner. vidurudu, bheesmudu, vibheeshanudu - veelu endhuku brahmins avvaali? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2824 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: N/A |
>>>> so hindu ante evaru ? >>>>>>>> I dont know.....u tell me....u r the one having problem with hindu religion....I don't know what it means... we just had a social/cultural structure in ancient india......I don't know any religion propagating any shxit on what the rules are to be considered a "hindu" everyone of any faith/belief can fall under this system called "hinduism"......therez no exclusivity....all inclusive philosophy | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2823 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: N/A |
ofcourse, caste is so natural and it makes sense......see any society and will find rulers/rich/powerful......business men/traders.....warriors/soldiers....worker class.......and marginalized people..... this above thing is what is called caste system...whether people realize or not, caste system is everywhere...... if you have a problem with the above hierarchical system, then you have a problem with humans and nature.....nothings gonna change that.....pallaki ekkevaallu and mosevaalu will always be there in every freaking society from anytime and anywhere.... Now comes, how these systems are sustained or maintained.... If you have a problem with how abuses were done in maintaining it.....may be you have a very weak and feeble point to make and we can discuss it....... but get this clear, that your problem is not with hinduism or caste system.....thats just a natural way of life.....hindus system is not about forcing some concocted belief/faith system....its about understanding nature as it is and accepting the way it is... | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2939 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
malli katha modatiki vachindi. so hindu ante evaru ? evaranna cheppi moksham prasaadinchandi "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2938 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
poni meeru cheppina class by guna concept ae teesukundam. vyaasudu raasina bhaaratam - bullet 1 - krishnudu chanipoyetappudu kuda yadavude kadha. 100 mandhi rakshasulani champi kshatriyudu kaledhu kadha bullet 2 - duryodhanudu dharmam tappi enni panulu chesina sudrudu ani evaru analedhu kadha bullet 3 - yuddavidyalu nerchina karnudu, ekalavyudu kshatriyulu kaledhu kadha bullet 4 - purse raamudu goddali pattukoni tirigina brahmanude kani kshatriyudu kaledhu kadha bullet 5 - vidurudu, bheesmudu, vibheeshanudu etc brahmanulu gaa maaraara ledhe ivanni jaragaledhe. appude implement kani gunam based class system tarvaatha eppudanna aindha "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 26676 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 24.127.236.166 Rating: N/A |
anyone can become a twice born dwija. pilaka penchithey chaalu. kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!! JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2822 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: N/A |
nee istam brother..get the reference from anytime......therez no concept of religion when we are talking about indian society before these abrahmic invaders...... even then therez no hindu religion to be followed like a blind faith/belief.....its just that the pagans are branded by these invaders as hindus....bcoz they have this thing called religion.... ancient india is all about naturally applicable concepts to society...."Religion" is just a grouping of these faith based orgs for whatever their motives are.... so lets not talk in terms of "Religion" if you wanna discuss ancient indian society or Hindu society... | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 5647 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 71.91.7.127 Rating: N/A |
motham mahabaratham lo ivee kanipinchayi ante inka emi chepthamu bro... the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2821 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: N/A |
anyways, I am a little busy....we will talk later.... history ni pattukuni pakkanodi meeda naalugu raallu veyyadam easy anukuntaa....okka saari addam mundu nilabadi "why is today's society the way it is?" ani telivi batch question chesukuntey baavuntademo.... bottomline, whether u like it or not hierarchy is the nature of the world.......try all u want....I doubt that will be changed.....it is almost like circle of life......today's brahmins can be tomorrow's dalits.....and today's dalits can be tomorrow's kings......but then, there will always be rulers (kings/powerful/rich), intellectual class, working class and marginalised class in any society..... thats not true.....I know how to find my utopian society antaava......"Perpetual motion machines" emanna kanipisthey naaku kooda okati pampinchu.... | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2937 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
ancient ante enni years back ? 3500+ years ante documented history emundhi ? poni mahabhaaratam teesukundaama ante andulo mottam kulaala godave kadha. sutha putrudu, yadavudu, brahmanudu, boyavadu, kshatriyudu ani prati okkari identity caste tho tie up ayyi undhi. "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2820 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: N/A |
Sanman, first let us understand the system....and get a clear picture of what it is....then we can go into the abuses of the system.... alaa kaakundaa convenient gaa abuses ni part of system lo kalipesi bhel puri kaamedies waste anukuntaa...... lets go step by step.... | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2819 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: N/A |
>>>>> according to wise men like you it seems there is no one set of rules to be a hindu, if you are a pious hindu you are a brahmin (kiki) if you eat meat and indulge in worldly pleasures you are a sudra. the only definition of a hindu i can think of is who is born of hindu parents until he renounces it. >>>>>>>>>>>> naa wisdom ni definite question cheddaam gaani.....first nuvvu cheppu.......what is hinduism?........are there any references to somethign called hinduism any where? are you referring to the social structure as hinduism? or you say there is a religion called hinduism? lets make it clear..... I dont know what hindu "religion" is.....u tell me what is it?.....I know set of rules in the ancient indian society....I dont know the rules to be a hindu....nuvvu cheppu..... follow these and u r hindu....dont follow these and you are kafir ani emannaa undaa? | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 5646 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 71.91.7.127 Rating: N/A |
so you want a rule book, like other religions. first of all we need to understand religion is a significantly new term. there were no rule books, until the 10 commandments of moses, and you are expecting that should be the case of every other "Religion" a concept alien to many other civilizations. anyway, there are certain "rules" for a hindu, nene ee db lo chala sarlu post chesa, archives lo vethakali. btw, a brahmin needs to be a brahmin ani evaru sepparu, observation aa leka scriptures aa? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2818 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: N/A |
ayya baaboi....the best thing about india is therez no rules about some irrelevant and meaningless grouping concept called "Religion". that seems like the society is as true to the reality, nature and truth as possible.......ippudu alaa kaakundaa faith based rules undaali antaavaa? unna open system where u can question anything and everything vadilesi, ee regressive rules system enti baabu?......enni self made rules pettinaa, nature has its own ways to rear its ugly(for belief based people) head I guess... nee exact problem with ancient indians/system oka gist (bullet points) pettu brother....appudu discussion easy anukuntaa......I read only the posts on the screen and that too only some of them.... | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2936 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
hindu em cheyalo cheppandi vaa ani oka 100 sarlu adigaa ee db lo ne. taka taka rules frame aithai db hinduism ki. oka book supinchi idhigo itla bataku ani chepte daanni follow aitam gaa confusion lekunda "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2935 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
you cant deny the fact that until foreign invasions india = hinduism. according to wise men like you it seems there is no one set of rules to be a hindu, if you are a pious hindu you are a brahmin (kiki) if you eat meat and indulge in worldly pleasures you are a sudra. the only definition of a hindu i can think of is who is born of hindu parents until he renounces it. "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 5645 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 71.91.7.127 Rating: N/A |
elaborate on this flzzz the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2934 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
adhe kadha problem. specific set of rules unte evaru advantage teesukovadaniki undadhu. adhi leka ne kadha problem. peru kemo hindus. hindu em cheyalo evariki telvad. citizenship laga by default vachina status. nothing to practice there. ippudu sodarulu digutaru rules tho practice cheyali ante ivi cheyali ani. mari aa rules ekkadi nundi vastayo "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2817 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: N/A |
Sanman, we are taking about a social, economic and political structure here.....like democracy, aristocracy or oligarchy.... where did religion come into picture? asalu religion antey enti? | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 5644 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 71.91.7.127 Rating: N/A |
catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma-vibhagasah tasya kartaram api mam viddhy akartaram avyayam "According to the three modes of material nature and the work associated with them, the four divisions of human society are created by Me. And although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the nondoer, being unchangeable." it does not anywhere say birth is the criteria for caste. there are many quotes that mean the same. yatha kancanatam yati kamsyam rasa-vidhanatah tatha diksa-vidhanena dvijatvam jayate nrnam "Just as bell-metal is transformed into gold by alchemy, a common man is transformed into a twice-born brahmana by diksa from a bona-fide preceptor." (Tattva Sagara 2.12) So, by diksa-samskara a person who was not born in a brahmana family, but who exhibits brahminical qualities, may become a twice-born. Again, quoting Maharaja Yudhisthira in Mahabharata (Vana Parva chapter 180) - sudre tu yad bhavel-laksma dvije tac ca na vidyate na vai sudro bhavec chudro brahmano na ca brahmanah "If such symptoms are found in a sudra, he should never be called a sudra, just as a brahmana is not a brahmana if he lacks these charactaristics." Similarly, Lord Siva tells Uma in the Mahabharata (Anusasana Parva 163.8, 26, 46) — sthito brahmana-dharmena brahmanyam upajivati ksatriyo vatha vaisyo va brahma-bhuyah sa gacchati ebhis tu karmabhir devi subhair acaritais tatha sudro brahmanatam yati vaisyah ksatriyatam vrajet etaih karma-phalair devi suddhatma vijitendriyah sudro'pi dvija-vat sevya iti brahmabravit svayam sarvo'yam brahmano loke vrttena tu vidhiyate vrtte sthitas tu sudro'pi brahmanatvam niyacchati "If ksatriyas or vaisyas show the behavior of brahmanas and spend their lives in the occupation of brahmanas, then such persons attain the position of brahmanas. O Goddess, by the same process, a sudra can become a brahmana and a vaisya can become a ksatriya. O Goddess, by the results of these activities and by following the agamas, then even a low-born sudra also becomes a brahmana. A person in this world is born a brahmana simply as a result of his nature. A sudra situated in the profession of a brahmana also becomes a brahmana." na yonir napi samskaro na srutam na ca santatih karanani dvijatvasya vrttam eva tu karanam "Neither birth, purificatory ceremonies, nor learning, nor progeny are qualifications for brahminical status. Only brahminical conduct is the basis for brahminical status." (Mahabharata‚ Anusasana Parva 143.50)
unfortunately, that has become the norm, but whether was it historically always like that anedhi debatable. even through scriptures, it is not entirely supportive, other than the feasibility that a person born in a brahmin family is highly likely to acquire the traits of brahmin. yatha kancanatam yati kamsyam rasa-vidhanatah tatha diksa-vidhanena dvijatvam jayate nrnam "Just as bell-metal is transformed into gold by alchemy, a common man is transformed into a twice-born brahmana by diksa from a bona-fide preceptor." (Tattva Sagara 2.12) So, by diksa-samskara a person who was not born in a brahmana family, but who exhibits brahminical qualities, may become a twice-born. Again, quoting Maharaja Yudhisthira in Mahabharata (Vana Parva chapter 180) - sudre tu yad bhavel-laksma dvije tac ca na vidyate na vai sudro bhavec chudro brahmano na ca brahmanah "If such symptoms are found in a sudra, he should never be called a sudra, just as a brahmana is not a brahmana if he lacks these charactaristics." Similarly, Lord Siva tells Uma in the Mahabharata (Anusasana Parva 163.8, 26, 46) — sthito brahmana-dharmena brahmanyam upajivati ksatriyo vatha vaisyo va brahma-bhuyah sa gacchati ebhis tu karmabhir devi subhair acaritais tatha sudro brahmanatam yati vaisyah ksatriyatam vrajet etaih karma-phalair devi suddhatma vijitendriyah sudro'pi dvija-vat sevya iti brahmabravit svayam sarvo'yam brahmano loke vrttena tu vidhiyate vrtte sthitas tu sudro'pi brahmanatvam niyacchati "If ksatriyas or vaisyas become situated in the behavior of brahmanas and spend their lives in the occupation of brahmanas, then such persons attain the position of brahmanas. O Goddess, by the same process, a sudra can become a brahmana and a vaisya can become a ksatriya. O Goddess, by the results of these activities and by following the agamas, then even a low-born sudra also becomes a brahmana. A person in this world is born a brahmana simply as a result of his nature. A sudra situated in the profession of a brahmana also becomes a brahmana." na yonir napi samskaro na srutam na ca santatih karanani dvijatvasya vrttam eva tu karanam "Neither birth, purificatory ceremonies, nor learning, nor progeny are qualifications for brahminical status. Only brahminical conduct is the basis for brahminical status." (Mahabharata‚ Anusasana Parva 143.50) The Hari-vamsa (29.7-8) explains that in the dynasty of Grtsamada, there were brahmanas headed by Saunaka, as well as ksatriyas, vaisyas and sudras — putro grtsamadasyapi sunako yasya saunaka brahmanah ksatriyas caiva vaisyah sudras tathaiva ca In Srimad Bhagavatam (9.2.16-17) we find that the dynasty of Maharaja Dhrsta also became brahmanas — dhstad dharstam abhut ksatram brahma-bhuyam gatam ksitau "From Dhrsta came the dynasty called Dharsta, whose members achieved the position of brahmanas in this world." Also in the Bhagavatam (9.2.22) we see the example of Maharaja Agnivesya, the son of Devadatta, who began a race of brahmanas — tato brahma-kulam jatam agnivesyayanam nrpa "O King, from Agnivesya came a brahminical dynasty known as Agnivesyayana." Other examples are Jahnu Muni, who was born as the son of Hotra in the Lunar Dynasty ; in the dynasty of Maharaja Puru, Kanva Rsi was born and from him the sage Medhatithi who began the Praskanna brahmana line ; Gargya, the son of King Sini, began a generation of brahmanas; Trayyaruni, Kavi and Puskararuni, the three sons of Maharaja Duritaksaya, became brahmanas; the descendants of Ajamidha headed by Priyamedha all achieved the position of brahmanas, and in their family the great sage Mudgala of the Maudgalya brahmanas was born; Nabhaga and the son of Dista, although born as vaisyas, became brahmanas ; Maharaja Bali begot five ksatriya sons, and also had sons who founded brahmana dynasties . Other great personalities such as Vasistha, Gautama, Agastya, and Rsyasrnga were not brahmanas by birth. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2816 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: N/A |
>>>>>> eem to have used religion >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thamari thokka.....therez no concept of "religion" in any ancient indian references...... asalu "religion" endi vayya bokka?........therez no faith based system....it is just a social and cultural structure..... please use ur words judiciously........hindus dont have no specific book or god to follow.........they just had all different cultures and social norms... | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2933 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: |
agree your point. the priests in our country seem to have used religion a bit to their advantage. may be they got their confidence from lines like this - THE FOUR ORDERS OF HUMAN BEINGS From The Mahabharata- Santi Parva Section CLXXXVIII. Brigu said, "..... (The Creator created) human beings with their four divisions, viz., Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaisyas, and Sudras. The complexion the Brahmanas obtained was white; that which the Kshatriyas obtained was red; that which the Vaisyas got was yellow; and that which was given to the Sudras was black." "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 353 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.45.60.104 Rating: |
Also do put the quote where he says the castes are determined by birth. The actual gita quote on caste creation: "chaaturvarnyam mayaa srushtam gunakarmavibhagashah" (4:13) Meaning: The four castes are created by me through a classification of the gunas and duties (or classification of duties determined by the classification of gunas). The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Raman Side Hero Username: Raman Post Number: 2016 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: N/A |
nuvvu chestunna pani ento kiki kiki kaneeyyi pantaloons to aagi poku inka mundukupo | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2929 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
lol evaro okkarne compulsory only one party ni blame cheyalaa. lekapothe oppukora. ikkada db lo kuda rules frame chestunnara. i dont attribute character based on caste but here were are talking about the "priest class" who were the authorities in hindu religious matters that guided social structure for thousands of years and they first formulated and later continued with sufficient help from next higher class, the practice of class system where one's virtues are determined by birth. how about that. better ? "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Raman Side Hero Username: Raman Post Number: 2014 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: N/A |
first blaming game tarvata frustration peeks ki poindi kiki kiki first lo shudras ni tokkesar annav upper caste lo more than 70% shudras unnaru ani teleeda? lol Ee thed susina vallevarikaina nee poratam aaratam evarimeedo tlestundi le .. Feudal vyavastalo jariginanni darunaalu antakumundu ekkada jarigi undav.. Tsundoor gaani karamchedu gaani machukki latest examples .. doralu eppatikaina dorale kakpote nee argument doralaki against ga ledu .. evaro rules frame chesaru antav kiki kaneeyi.. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2928 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
nenu first nundi cheptundhi fc atrocities against their own people. madhyalo rules framers gurinchi topic vasthe daanne banka laa antukunnaar pantaloons "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27527 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: N/A |
sure .. we will start it in the evening .. bcoz .. ippudu continous ga time spare cheyyalenu .. and this issue needs patience ..
asalu comedy ante .. ade .. paiga devadasi system okati mention chesadu .. vammo .. telangana lo konni areas lo undi ee system .. and mostly aa system benefeciaries are velamas and kontha mandi patels (bros, no offense meant .. sandarbham vachindi kabatti cheppa anthe) When your enemy calls you 'Shershah', you are none other than Param Veer Chakra Capt. Vikram Batra. For him, the Tiranga was more than a piece of cloth! Jai Hind! | ||
| Raman Side Hero Username: Raman Post Number: 2012 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: N/A |
vetti chakiriki karanam meerenanta.. kiki.. ippatiki villeges lo bhuswamulu chetilo vetti chakiri ani vinnanu gaani kurradiki edo own agenda undi . Feudal vyavasta lo jarigina jarugutunna sins gurtuku raavu gaani .. enta sepu untouchabilty antu okate line and length .. rakarakalu ga try sethunnadu | ||
| Maverick Megastar Username: Maverick Post Number: 28533 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 204.86.204.207 Rating: N/A |
>>but for brahmins you need to be born in a brahmin family. So, whats ur problem? Tamandam | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2926 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
ok you start. i want to know about EVERY ONE of the kings in all those periods "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27522 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: N/A |
LOL .. adigina daniki answer cheppayya ante .. nee own ideas, understandings cheptavemi ..u can do better i believe .. eras lo ne .. u can can pick people .. dig info .. then find out what kind of rule they gave .. then deduce what kind of society they had and how did they tolerate/adhere/encourage slavery/discrimination etc .. clinical study cheddaam .. what say ..? evaro chepte manam follow avvadam deniki .. we will find it ourselves ! When your enemy calls you 'Shershah', you are none other than Param Veer Chakra Capt. Vikram Batra. For him, the Tiranga was more than a piece of cloth! Jai Hind! | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2925 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
i am not sure what you are trying to establish. you listed the eras not rulers. i dont know who is a kshatriya and who is not not from that list but from anywhere. the rules are pretty vague for that. but for brahmins you need to be born in a brahmin family. you know, other than the B-Mat graduates who become brahmins based on their knowledge "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27520 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: N/A |
unte koddi mandi unnattunnaru .. but 90% of them are Hindus .. considering their faith could be Shaivism, Vedic-ism, Vaishnavism etc .. and kontha mandi early centuries lo Buddhists (who are essentially Dharmic people) unnaru .. ippudu cheppu .. how many of those rulers were "Kshatriya" by birth .. When your enemy calls you 'Shershah', you are none other than Param Veer Chakra Capt. Vikram Batra. For him, the Tiranga was more than a piece of cloth! Jai Hind! | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2924 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
in that list are there any non hindu rulers "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27519 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
1 The Northwest 1.1 The Indo-Scythian Sakas 1.2 The Indo-Greeks 1.3 The Yavanas 1.4 The Indo-Parthians 1.5 The Pahlavas 1.6 The Western Satraps 1.7 The Kushans 1.8 The Indo-Sassanid Kushanshahs 1.9 The Hephthalite Hunas 1.10 The Rais 1.11 The Gandharan Kambojas 1.12 The Shahis 2 The Gangetic Plains and Deccan 2.1 The Satavahanas 2.2 The Kharavela 2.3 The Guptas 2.4 The Vakatakas 2.5 The Harsha Vardhana 2.6 The Gurjars 2.7 The Vishnukundinas 2.8 The Maitrakas 2.9 The Gurjara Pratiharas 2.10 The Rajputs 2.10.1 Kachwaha 2.10.2 The Solankis 2.10.3 The Paramaras 2.10.4 The Tanwars (Tomara) 2.10.5 The Chauhans 2.11 The Palas 2.12 The Candras 2.13 The Eastern Gangas 2.14 The Senas 2.15 The Varmans 3 The Northeast 3.1 The Varman dynasty of Kamarupa 3.2 The Mlechchha dynasty of Kamarupa 3.3 The Pala dynasty of Kamarupa 3.4 The Twipras 4 The South 4.1 The Sangam Era Kingdoms 4.2 The Cheras 4.3 The Kalabhras 4.4 The Kadambas 4.5 The Western Gangas 4.6 The Badami Chalukyas 4.7 The Pallavas 4.8 The Eastern Chalukyas 4.9 The Pandyas 4.10 The Rashtrakutas 4.11 The Western Chalukyas 4.12 The Yadavas 4.13 The Kakatiyas 4.14 The Kalachuris 4.15 The Hoysalas 4.16 The Cholas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Kingdoms_of_India this list starts at the time of Buddha .. and continues for the next of 1000 years almost .. veella gurinchi .. veella rule gurinchi .. taravata matladadaam .. asalu vellalo entha mandi by birth kshatriyas anedi identify cheyyi .. then we will dig into issues like .. what was their rule like .. did they confirm to "varna system" or the now criticized "jati system" etc .. When your enemy calls you 'Shershah', you are none other than Param Veer Chakra Capt. Vikram Batra. For him, the Tiranga was more than a piece of cloth! Jai Hind! | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2922 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
(Part Two) 24. The Buddha on the Caste System At the time of the Buddha the caste system was firmly established in India. According to this system, a person's position in society was determined from the time he was born and there was no way to change his lot in life. There were four castes, or classes, of people in society: The Brahmins or priests, who claimed to be the highest caste and the purest of peoples The warriors The merchants and traders The untouchables, who were considered the lowest class. They became workers and servants who did all the menial jobs, and were treated as slaves. The Buddha condemned the caste system, which he considered unjust. He pointed out that there existed wicked and cruel people as well as virtuous and kind people in every caste. Any person who had committed a crime would be punished accordingly by his karma no matter what caste he belonged to. He said a person may be considered to have come from a high or low caste according to his good and bad deeds. Therefore, according to the Buddha it is the good and bad actions of a person and not his birth that should determine his caste. The Buddha introduced the idea of placing a higher value on morality and the equality of people instead of on which family or caste a person is born into. This was also the first attempt to abolish discrimination and slavery in the history of mankind. The Buddha said: By birth one is not an outcaste, By birth one is not a Brahmin; By deeds alone one is an outcaste, By deeds alone one is a Brahmin "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27515 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
intaki Buddha emi matladadu .. koncham detailed ga pettu .. alage Bihar lo konni regions lo unde chance aa .. leka hole country aa? like in Kerala/Assam and Sindh? When your enemy calls you 'Shershah', you are none other than Param Veer Chakra Capt. Vikram Batra. For him, the Tiranga was more than a piece of cloth! Jai Hind! | ||
| Idle_yzag Legend Username: Idle_yzag Post Number: 31682 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 198.80.144.187 Rating: N/A |
RahulGandhi/JP/Chiru | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27513 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
nahi yaar .. is me mahaan/lagaan ka kya baath hai? lessons nerchukovaali kada .. asalu slavery ane word usage daka vellavu ante .. chaala information undi nee daggara .. daa .. lessons nerchukundaam history lo nunchi .. When your enemy calls you 'Shershah', you are none other than Param Veer Chakra Capt. Vikram Batra. For him, the Tiranga was more than a piece of cloth! Jai Hind! | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2918 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
ee thed lo naaku ardham aina points - according to pundits caste based discrimination is a recent phenomenon. you know, after the muslims and british came - 500 years back aithe undhi (annamayya spoke against) - 2000 years back kuda undhi (budhha spoke against) - 3500 years or antha kanna mundu laedhu (endukante evidence ledhu) "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2917 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
230 posts lo ardham kanidhi kottaga nerchukunedhi emuntadhi bhayya. aap mahaan ho. bhaarath maa ke sachha bachha ho. jai ho "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27504 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
day 2 leda .. racism/slavery/discrimination/suppression etc gurinchi? lessons nerchukundaam .. we need to learn lessons from history to go into future .. When your enemy calls you 'Shershah', you are none other than Param Veer Chakra Capt. Vikram Batra. For him, the Tiranga was more than a piece of cloth! Jai Hind! | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27472 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
vaammo .. emi matladutunnav annai nuvvu? ippudu slavery allegations kuda na? paalerlu evariki untaru? bapans ki untara? agricultural castes ki untara? devadasi's gurinchi neeku baga telisinattu undi .. koddiga detailed ga ettu .. btw .. vetti chakiri ante bonded labor ee ga? aithe evaru sesaru/evaru seyinchukunnaru .. detailed ga ettava .. naaku/siloanesh/sittinaidesh ki ee bouncers nachayi .. When your enemy calls you 'Shershah', you are none other than Param Veer Chakra Capt. Vikram Batra. For him, the Tiranga was more than a piece of cloth! Jai Hind! | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27471 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.102.249.61 Rating: N/A |
calling sittinaidesh and siloanesh and other scorers .. score board ettandi .. test match day-2 ki pitch roll sesi .. report edithe .. slow ga match start seddam .. ninnati bouncers/body line bowling ki enni injuries ayyayi? When your enemy calls you 'Shershah', you are none other than Param Veer Chakra Capt. Vikram Batra. For him, the Tiranga was more than a piece of cloth! Jai Hind! | ||
| Ishan Moderator Username: Ishan Post Number: 9343 Registered: 01-2009 Rating: |
You have mixed up several time points differing by centuries to prove your point. Based on my readings I can confidently say that caste based inequality appeared in our society only during post-vedic times. Rigveda in particular never endorsed any kind of discrimination. Social stratification was REQUIRED to sustain society. This is not restricted to Indian but greek chinese civilizations also employed this in ancient times. Religion has very little thing to do with this. Even Budhism had varna system. Rigveda actually clearly mentions many itmes that kings priests showed immense respect towards the duties of sudras. The examples of King Janaka Duryodana Ploughing soil and Balarama infact having Halam as his weapon illustrated the actual physical work done by kings in the agricultural fields. Sudras were given highly respectable positions in administrative sections called 'dwadasha ratnas' where 12 representatives of respective professions participated in administrative decisions. There was no slavery of whatsoever. There were servants most of them women, but no slaves. Remember rigveda lasted for 1 millenium approximately. Also, I can quote several examples where several brahmins and kshatriyas had intercaste marriages with sudras. Society was very free back then. Its only during very later vedic periods and post-vedic times the inequality started emerging. Particularly, women of upper castes werent allowed to marry men of lower castes. By the time chinese tourists came, society drastically changed. Bottomline is Vedas and definitely Upanishads never propounded caste based discrimination. Just mentioning their existence doesnt mean there existed discrimination. | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 13255 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.169 Rating: N/A |
 I'm not a kurradu | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 13254 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.169 Rating: N/A |
nee questions annee caste system meede unnayi kada? I have no clue and I dont care either . but okkat mathram sure evadik telise chance ledu ..what was the purpose or who benefited .. logically if you thnk it has benefited brahmins immensely there is no proof of it either. brahmins were never rich even in hstory except a handful of people who worked for kings Kings were always powerful If i have to say it immensely benefited kings but the system worked for thousands of years .. there were no proofs of untouchability in the history either .. it was only during muslim & europian invasions system became week and people started caste centric people started distrusting each other aneka duracharalu prabalayii ee timelo anyway neeku kavalsina nache answer naa daggara ledu you search and find it .. kakpote false assumptions chesukuni blame cheyyadam start chesavo you will never progress finding right answers for your questions .. I'm not a kurradu | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2815 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 70.29.93.170 Rating: N/A |
Uh oh.......malla start aa secular liberal utopian world disc? Good luck Sanman. Go find the skittle shxitting unicorns and make this world a just place. Juxtapose with other shxit around the contemporary world and may be you will understand the world. otherwise this disc is just good for mental masturbation and nothing else. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2912 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
nenu history lo konchem week. ee vishayalu cheppava konchem plz 1)Who created the caste system 2)Who are the beneficiaries. who are the losers 3)What are varnas. When did untouchability begin. Is the varna order preserved in untouchability or not. Again who are the losers here 4)Which of the below text do you dispute The term, Chandala can be seen used in the Manu Smriti (codes of caste segregation) to the Mahabharata the religious epic. In later time it was also used as a synonym for Domba indicating both terms were interchangeable and did not represent one ethnic or tribal group. Instead, it was a general opprobrious term. In the early Vedic literature several of the names of castes that are spoken of in the Smritis as Antyajas occur. We have Carmanna (a tanner of hides) in the Rig Veda (VIII.8,38) the Chandala and Paulkasa occur in Vajasaneyi Samhita. Vepa or Vapta (barber) in the Rig Veda. Vidalakara or Bidalakar occurs in the Vajasaneyi Samhita. Vasahpalpuli (washer woman) corresponding to the Rajakas of the Smritis in Vajasaneyi Samhita. Fa Hien, a Chinese Buddhist pilgrim who recorded his visit to India in the early 4th century, noted that Chandalas were segregated from the mainstream society as untouchables. Traditionally, Dalits were considered to be beyond the pale of Varna or caste system. They were originally considered as Panchama or the fifth group beyond the fourfold division of Indian people. They were not allowed to let their shadows fall upon a non-Dalit caste member and they were required to sweep the ground where they walked to remove the 'contamination' of their footfalls. Dalits were forbidden to worship in temples or draw water from the same wells as caste Hindus, and they usually lived in segregated neighborhoods outside the main village. In the Indian countryside, the dalit villages are usually a separate enclave a kilometre or so outside the main village where the other Hindu castes reside. "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 13250 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.169 Rating: N/A |
kiki neeku kavalsinavi mathrame chadootav kada? rest of the people em chesaru? vallalo reformers lera? 99% jakos aa? social responcibility leda? 1% chebite edavallaga vintara? nee agenda needi pani kaninchuko .. charitra tiragesi oka incident cheppu budhunk kalamlo ila jarigindi leda guptula kalamlo jarigindi leda pallavula kalamlo jarigind an ante kaani eppudu rasaro teleeyani original edo teliyani fictional stories ani nuvvanukune vatini quoting cheyyadam deniko ? Shankara charya chandaludi vruthantam chadivava leda? karnudu brhmanni an abddam cheppadu ani kooda teleedu puskkumani quote chesestavu .. endukule naaku time bokka kemmai I'm not a kurradu | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2910 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
what does that mean? paapam elu kosesi yuddaniki pampi adho divine justice aa. to drive home the point that it is in our culture to determine someone's merit by their caste deeniki nen em cheppale. ee rules anni frame chesindi evaru. dalits aa. i blamed forward caste people for treating their fellow citizens for crap for thousands of years. the discussion is getting diverted to brahmins because they are supposed to be the spiritual and moral leaders who created all these rules. exactly. out of a 100 million we can barely find a 100 reformers. the rest seem happy with the order they created. so in indian history who is the small fish and who is the big fish "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Dma Side Hero Username: Dma Post Number: 2869 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 115.184.32.90 Rating: N/A |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG8bAddNb_4 North Son's Vennupotu List: Penchi poshinchina Party, Party ichina pedda manishi | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 13241 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.169 Rating: N/A |
chus nenu inka ilanti theds lo argue cheyyalsina avasaram ledu evadi logic valladi mana questions ki answer undadu enta sepu avu vyasam chadavali lekunte rayali meeku kavalsina caste ni bashing chesukondi irrespectve of thread title or topic evadi agenda to vaadu munduku pondi I'm not a kurradu | ||
| Ruj Side Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 3618 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 174.53.240.142 Rating: N/A |
ee book lo undi??? naak telisi ee caste discrimination annadhi appati societies tama domination kosam hijack chesinadhi....naak telisi hindu puranalu evi kindha caste odini tokki naara teeyi eni cheppaledu Congress, the worst thing ever to happen to Bharat | ||
| Ruj Side Hero Username: Ruj Post Number: 3617 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 174.53.240.142 Rating: N/A |
the caste system mentioned here has nothing to do with the caste system that is prevelant in indian society today...it was more of class rather than caste..job/profession batti divide chesindi kaani by birth apadinchedhi kaadu gita lo cheppindhi..shudra to serve the other three castes annadhi kooda job nature ni vivaristhuu cheppindhi.. 4) idhi nijamena Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby".} akkada sandharbham ento telidu..naaku peddha adi shankaracharya gurinchi anthaga telidu kooda...kaani naaku gurtunantha matuku...mundara adhi shankara lowest caste olani dooram pette vadu...oka incident taruvatha tana tappu grahisthadu.. Congress, the worst thing ever to happen to Bharat | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 352 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.45.60.104 Rating: N/A |
and it's so great in other parts that they, except for china, progressed only after sacrificing millions of people and completely getting rid of the cultures.. and even in china, with the so called cultural revolution under mao, estimations go upto 80 million killings.. russia around 30 mil, europe whole civilizations, cultures: from roman to greek to dark ages to nazi genocides, and finally usa the harbinger of the free world: slavery for 200 years, natives almost wiped out and even women got to vote only in the 20th century.. the founders declared the country "free and all are equal before law" while simultaneously owning slaves themselves.. thomas jefferson the darling of libertarians owned 200 slaves at one point.. so it's better to have some sense of scale and perspective when you look back in history.. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 13235 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.169 Rating: N/A |
do you know that ekalavya foght the war along with duryodhans army in the actual war according to the book?? buggi palu emundi he bacame a warrior anyway. asala nuvvu nammani danni guricnhi argue seyyadam deniko? mallee pani leka saffron meeda rallestunna antunnavu? you want to prove brahmins screwed the societe so badly and they are responsible for the status of dalits .. deeni meeda okka proof ledu only ilantu boku arguments tappa. Brahmins at any point were not 1% of population vallu cheppadam vere vallu vinadam? What happend to so called other caste pride like shudras /vaisyas /kings whiche ever caste they belong to.. Fact entante kings used brahmins to rule country for generation they framed the rule .. nuvvu ippudu blame cheyyalsindi evarni every one including those kings and their castes .. you want blame pandits only ..kiki System appudu balamaina vanne support chestundi.. appudaina ippudaina .. there were several pandits revolted went against the traditions became rebels examples.. veeresalingam gurajada annamayya etc.. for example jangareddy gudem daggara tribal lands ni non tribals basically shudras and socalled your dalits occupy chesaru .. there were brahmin teachers supported dalits cause .. and dalts agitation chesaru Result entante brahimin teacher family ni naxal peru to lepesaaru .. migata vallu anta edo issue ni settle cheskunnaru .. Still tribals paristit deenam inka digajarindi ippudu.. deeniki responsible evvar? Shudras? dalts? Tribals? brahmins? ippudu cheppu .. power adhikaram .. china chepan peda chepa as simple as that .. deeniki oka tokkalo casstte angle etti meelantollaki brainwash sette ..ila untundi seen T vallaa kashtalaki A vallu karanam ani medhavulu ela nammutunnaro naaku baaga ardam ayyindi .. I'm not a kurradu | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 351 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 68.45.60.104 Rating: N/A |
in the olden days, there is hardly any mobility/mass communication/education available to everyone.. so the best teachers for kids are their own parents and the immediate circles.. family based occupation is the norm, and ofcourse there will always be exceptional guys who go out of the comfort zone.. but in general it's very very hard to excel at other occupations.. there is not a single older society without such divisions in any part of the world.. with the advent of industrial revolution, mass education and mobility became cheaper and accessible to everyone.. and the rigid walls crumbled.. india lo kooda anthe.. good example is cities vs rural. inko couple of generations pothe if development becomes a reality, caste/lineage will be used just for bragging rights like people do in the db. any society whether liberal/communist/fascist/fundamentalist will inevitably divide into several groups - some more privileged and some not.. the key is accessibility and mobility so that the threshold to jump is low enough.. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2909 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
vetti chaakiri ante enti annai. devadasi lu evaru. paaleru ante enti ? "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27470 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: N/A |
indaka ekkado slavery word kuda use chesavu ga .. adi kuda add cheyyava .. plzzzz When your enemy calls you 'Shershah', you are none other than Param Veer Chakra Capt. Vikram Batra. For him, the Tiranga was more than a piece of cloth! Jai Hind! | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2908 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
social suppression, out-casting, moral degradation, birth based discrimination ivanni india lo jaragaledha. jarigaaya ledhaa. adhi cheppandi. mundu rogam undho ledho decide chesi tarvaatha cure ento chuddam. kushtu rogini mundu pettukoni ehe veedu super healthy unnadu ante em chestam bharatham example nenu ivvaledhu. pandits start chesaru gita lo ekkada ledhu ani. Gita telisina vaalla daggara bhaaratam lo story stories ki answers teliyava ani adigaa anthe. paapam ekalavyudi jeevitham buggi paalu sesaar just nimna jaati lo puttinanduku "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 13233 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.169 Rating: N/A |
first of all mahabharatam oka great literary work anukondamu the writer takes all the liberty in creating establishing all the characters in the book. Every one can identify themselves and sympathize at least one char.. and He given explanation to every action of every other character in his own way and according to the native rules of those times. Ippudu story anta chadivi aa narration ni pogadali gaani aappudu ila chesaru tappu ani question cheyyadam endo ardam kaadu.. vyasudu ichina explanations nachakapote nenemi chyyanu.. aayana book ayana ishtam.. Ippudu NTR identified and sympathzed with duryodana/karna and keechaka aaa pathrallo jeevinchadu .. nuvvu first karna ani tarvata ekaluvya patralo jeevistunnavu enjoy sesko ante kaani ee rules emit panditulu pamarulu ani sollu enduku? First of all 2000 years ga anyayam jarugutondi ani proof sampadinchu .. edaina text ni quote cheyyi leka edaina script ni quote cheyyu ..antegani puranalendivayya? wiki assal vaddu plz I'm not a kurradu | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27466 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: N/A |
gud .. ee vishayam meeda kasepu matladukundaam .. enti aa lessons cheppu koddiga .. When your enemy calls you 'Shershah', you are none other than Param Veer Chakra Capt. Vikram Batra. For him, the Tiranga was more than a piece of cloth! Jai Hind! | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 7597 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
You are contradicting yourself. Konni centuries Brahmins mathrame education, literature ni control chesi, migatha castes ki dooram chesaru ani kada. So you are dis-proving your own claim. | ||
| Vijay77 Comedian Username: Vijay77 Post Number: 1046 Registered: 06-2010 Posted From: 199.41.197.24 Rating: N/A |
CCDB Tom and Jerry di amsala vaareegaa maddhathu. 'Real world' vs 'perfect world' discussion vasthey thammudu thammude, pekata pekate. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2907 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
as opposed to other scholars that did their masters at vedic schools ? story false aithe cheppandi. anthe gani cinema chusi telisindha chandamama lo sadivava ante evariki telusu "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 13232 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.169 Rating: N/A |
nee argument DVSK , bhakta kannappa lanti cnemala meeda base chesukunaa?  I'm not a kurradu | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 13231 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.169 Rating: N/A |
baaga friends ayipoinattunnaru ee sandarbhamga ananda bhashpalani apukolekapotunna  I'm not a kurradu | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2906 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
may be because mahabharatha was documented by a non brahmin ? we are talking about a few thousand years of history and some mythology. what was the rule and what is the exception i am more interested in the plight of the victims and the lessons to be learned from it Yes. B-MAT tests pedtaaru anta. pass aina vallaki matrame jandhya pradhaanam that sounds more logical than dog mouth theory. wasn't it the same drone that turned down karna during tournaments too according to dvsk ? "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 9792 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 70.120.91.149 Rating: N/A |
Ee thread lo experts evaranna cheppandi ... If caste was assigned based on individual characteristics and behavior - when and how was it assigned - edaina criteria, practises unnaya old documentation lo... Chadivina vatillo Upanishads lo oka reference tappite naku emi kanapadaledu...see that and Valmiki more as exceptions than rules. If it was a widely accepted concept that caste is based on traits , there should be standard rituals/practises to categorise people at some point in their life kada...any references documenting that practise in the ancient scriptures ? Sanman, Drona-Ekalavya episode ki naku telisina reason was not caste but partiality. Drona was not willing to let Arjuna be overshadowed by Ekalavya as he had promised Arjuna that he would be his most accomplished disciple so he sabotaged Ekalavya's aspirations There may be many interpretations but this is the one I have been told since I was a kidaa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 7596 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Annamayya is not famous for any "one" song kada. So what you said does not matter at all. This song of annamayya is as popular as any of his other popular songs. Dronacharya example thappu. Drona ni vehement gaa support cheyali ante asalu Mahabharatam lo Ekalavya episode mayam chese vallu kada, why show Drona as a villain?. Manaki asalu Ekalavyudi gurinchi telisedey kaadu. But we have it, and what do you think is that episode trying to tell us? Mana epics, history ni teesukunte there are enough contradictions to show that everything was not black and white. Antha caste mongering unte, Valmiki rasina Ramayanam enduku chaduvutamu? Asalu Valmiki rasadu ani enduku oppukuntaru. Valmiki peru theesi evaro brahmin peru pracharam cheyachu kada. IMO the caste thing got hijacked at some point of time. And we will never know when that was. But it is clear that the current prismatic society with moderates, conservatives, extremists, liberals existed all the time. Annamayya, Kandukuri etc, all are examples of moderates. | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27463 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: N/A |
 When your enemy calls you 'Shershah', you are none other than Param Veer Chakra Capt. Vikram Batra. For him, the Tiranga was more than a piece of cloth! Jai Hind! | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2905 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
enti IR bro he is not famous for that song ante aa song famous kaadha ani adugutavu. annamayya famous aindhi aa song ke naa. ee thed effect aa endhi kiki i enjoy throwing stones in saffron lake and watch the ripples. bore kodtundhi anthe. "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". | ||
| Kamal Megastar Username: Kamal Post Number: 27462 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 64.64.32.4 Rating: N/A |
bhojanam chesthe ne respectable neighbors anukunte .. adi nee tappu .. as grown ups .. from different varnas .. okari excellence ni okaru recognise chesi respect cheste .. naa drustilo adi matram romilla thapar kind of history kaadu !!! When your enemy calls you 'Shershah', you are none other than Param Veer Chakra Capt. Vikram Batra. For him, the Tiranga was more than a piece of cloth! Jai Hind! | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 7595 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
enti ee song famous kaada? Inkem cheptam. Mee theory batti Annamayya should be ostracized for writing this song kada. Ala jarigi unte manaki ee roju Annamayya telisevadu kaadu, coz according to you during his times education, music, and poetry were dominated by one caste. His name would have been wiped off history.
Meeru chesedi same ye gaa. You are taking two lines in Gita to claim that we have been caste mongers since then. | ||
| Sanman Side Hero Username: Sanman Post Number: 2904 Registered: 08-2010 Posted From: 71.199.91.151 Rating: N/A |
"LOL .. yeah .. history is what Brits, Oxford, Cambridge and fellow marxists writes about India .. " those who have the need to show an enemy to garner support have already lost faith in the strength of their own beliefs. "simple logic gurtu pettuko .. if there is a need for me to "rewrite" history .. I will not believe in Hinduism at all .. nee lage nenu kuda ali icons vesukuntu post chese vaadini .. " ekalavyudu kukkani sampaadani teaching seyaledhaa...karnudi character baledhu ani ellagottaaraa...historical gaa brahmins dalits kalisi kaburlu cheppukuntu bhonchesaaraaa...ivanni nammanollu marxists aa inka cheppu sami "Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44) Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes" Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha" Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". |
