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Bushu
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Mental_sachinodu:am i the only one who is feeling have lost a direction in the posts.. too many directions lo arguments velthunayi
you are the only one who's reading them. everyone else is just posting.  |
Mental_sachinodu
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am i the only one who is feeling have lost a direction in the posts.. too many directions lo arguments velthunayi
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
Kamal
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Anand_n:decree of God
interesting phrase .. where did this come from .. Manu Smriti or is it Bhagavat Gita that this is referring to?
Anand_n:
Denial does not make the social inequity of history go away And really why do you feel the need to blame someone else for the ills - can you not find enough strengths in the Hindu self to keep the flock together.
If you are terming somebody's stance as denial, means you are in a position to judge that their stance is not correct/false .. so, being privy to such information leading you to be so confident of a judgement .. can it be classified as being prejudiced or plain informed/realized .. your choice?
Jai Sri Ram  |
Rowdy
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wow ... 500+ posts ...
intaki evariki istunnaru?
Fans are mainly fans of their own fanship rather than the fans of whom they claim to be fans of - RGV |
Basky_indya
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Blackmamba:eellevar annai.. eppudu vinaledu..
ladies tailorr lo rallapalli to rp cheptadu. 1st 20 mins lo vuntadi. budabukkalavadu, kurro kurrrru
kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!!
JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. |
Pplsuck
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BTW, I have more examples to expose the fraudsters for what they are....ivaala opika ledu repu post chesthaaa......
Will establish each displayed virtue with substantial evidence/proof...... |
Pplsuck
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Anand,
I will give you a scenario....and hope you will respond to it truthfully even if the truth hurts....hope the examples will help you figure out what I was doing in the thread.
Lets say Nadal is playing Djokovic......and Djokovic is leading by two sets and leading in the third.
all of a sudden, Nadal says he thinks Djokovic is a nice guy and so he will not play the game anymore...ready to give up bcoz Djokovic is a nice guy.......and hands over the trophy to Djokovic...
Is Nadal honest to the game? to the opponent? to the audience?
Is Nadal a champion who lost the game? or a loser who doesn't know how to be graceful?
If people call him a LOSER based on this act of his, does that mean people are getting personal about Nadal? |
Pplsuck
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decree of God
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nice if you can provide any references to the above. |
Pplsuck
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Anduke ee thread lo posts chusi konchem surprise ayyanu
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which post/posts did really surprise you? As you might already know, I don't dwell in narratives.....specific example will immensely help to answer any questions/doubts you might have...
show me the post that sounded far off from reality/truth..........or any post supporting any wrongdoing/perceived wrong doings of people....
just trying to show the true colors of an imposter.... |
Kamal
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Anand_n:I think this is the differentiating factor that has caused so much rigidity. Elsewhere,for most part the discrimination exists in Society - the classes are social and it is somewhat easier to move across classes...it is not perceived as decree of God even mistakenly
In Hinduism, it is religious and the walls between classes became stronger enforced by superstition and taboos...
2 things here .. decree of God ani chepparemo kaani ... emi chepparu anedi chaala important .. and adi chaala clear ga varna vyavastha ane chepparu .. which has porous boundaries as opposed to how you want to show it .. while we do have examples to that affect, you might want to, like others disregard them as exceptions ..
second is .. if the intention of people was to enslave 'lower castes' .. then the varna system altogether would have been erased from public space and memory .. and I do not find any attempts of that sort made .. while I do see few people trying to enforce incorrect interpretations of a social structure, which was in essence supposed to serve mankind as total and create a better society devoid of civil wars ..
Jai Sri Ram |
Anand_n
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Pplsuck:and how can you ever think I will deny discrimination.....Top always rules...Bottom always pays.....and thats how the system works.....all about nature and hierarchical system here.....definite practices and definite traditions/culture might wary......but then life runs with top, middle and bottom doing their thing......
caste system runs everywhere with diff names and a lil diff flavors......adi bottomine here......
Gsn1:While I agree with you that there was discrimination in HINDU religion, this problem is NOT UNIQUE to this religion only. It EXISTS in EACH & EVERY religion or society in the WORLD.
I think this is the differentiating factor that has caused so much rigidity. Elsewhere,for most part the discrimination exists in Society - the classes are social and it is somewhat easier to move across classes...it is not perceived as decree of God even mistakenly
In Hinduism, it is religious and the walls between classes became stronger enforced by superstition and taboos...
Pplsuck: anyways, plz remember my id is "PPL SUCK"....if ever you feel like I am trying to paint a beautiful rosy picture.....I don't sell no shxit sandwiches
Anduke ee thread lo posts chusi konchem surprise ayyanu
And the question was directed not just at you but generally - my mistake not specifying that
All,
It always bewilders me ...
Caste system anagane - defend chesevallu ready ayipotaru - the same people hate the class systems they are subjected to, hate the reservations - want freedom to break walls and move across classes by merit - but will be very vocal about supporting the cordoning off of classes in the past
And this below is a referenece for anyone claiming separate hutments/areas did not exist in the illustrious past...Santi Parva in Mahabharata talks about Vishwamitra reaching the hamlet of Chandalas in search for food ..that chapter has an excellent message on clean/unlean food or soul too...That message too got lost down the generations
Slavery too existed and is mention in the Arthashastra - with the ethical boundaries of acceptable behavior with slaves defined.
Denial does not make the social inequity of history go away And really why do you feel the need to blame someone else for the ills - can you not find enough strengths in the Hindu self to keep the flock together.
Sanman,
I don't know if this was the intent of your debate but attributing the whole system to just Brahmins is a fallacy too...just like attributing all the credit for preserving Hindu way of life to them is a fallacy...Appudu some undeserving brahmins got educated ippudu some undeserving lower castes get educated-different beneficiaries of reservations Circle of life
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale |
Sanman
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Gsn1:
good summarization. i agree that religion is mostly used as tool of control. may be i was hoping to see if hinduism has any bounds and checks in place to avoid this from happening. on other hand it seems there are far too many references in the books that can be used for just the opposite. on the other hand if you are renouncing old books or parts of philosophies according to changing times, at what point do you rename your religion.
also another interesting observation is that Hinduism is not a religion but a way of life. then why oppose conversions ? why cant you be content knowing that the converted person can be a good christian Hindu?
Gsn1: knowledge and patience
i greatly lack in both |
Gsn1
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Sanman,
Good arguments by you brother! Kudo's to you and Kamal, Pplsuck, Anand, Ruj and many more for your knowledge and patience to dig through so much information.
While I agree with you that there was discrimination in HINDU religion, this problem is NOT UNIQUE to this religion only. It EXISTS in EACH & EVERY religion or society in the WORLD.
There will be ALWAYS a MINORITY who are SMART enough to EXPLOIT the MAJORITY. You might call the MINORITY/MAJORITY with any name, but IT IS FACT everywhere in the WORLD.
In our HINDU religion we call this MINORITY section as FC's and MAJORITY section as BC/SC/ST etc.
Even in this modern times, there are very FEW FILTY RICH people while MAJORITY of the population is ABOVE/AVERAGE/BELOW AVERAGE. You can call FILTHY RICH as FC's and the rest as BC/SC/ST's. It will NEVER be eradicated and ONLY NAMES will differ over generations. |
Thelegend
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Blackmamba
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Basky_indya:hasthini,padmini,
eellevar annai.. eppudu vinaledu.. |
Basky_indya
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Blackmamba:
mambad ki hasthini,padmini,etc topics unna mana old history books pampiyyali. saduvukuntad
kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!!
JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. |
Blackmamba
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Kamal:
typo.. blackmamba.ccdb@gmail... gudnite.. |
Kamal
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Blackmamba: balckmamba.ccdb@gmail.com ki .. tia
email correcte na ? anyways pamputaa .. GN ..
Jai Sri Ram |
Blackmamba
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Kamal:veelaithe saduvu effudaina ..
sadavalani anifistadi kaani eti sadavalo telvadu.. manchi links pampu mundu mana epics ki sambandhinchi... ivaala mahabharat start sesaa.. saala telsukunna... links ampu evanna unte balckmamba.ccdb@gmail.com ki .. tia |
Kamal
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Blackmamba:maa kamalai discuss cheyyaneeki vedalu mottam sadivindu weekend kookoni.
mambad .. nenu sadivindi history .. adi kuda jesht 2 kingdoms/eras gurinchi .. saana baaga anifinchindi .. i enjoyed a lot and learnt a lot .. Indian history lo kuda entha morality undo .. veelaithe saduvu effudaina ..
Pplsuck:
Jai Sri Ram |
Pplsuck
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This is mind blowing yaar....look at this statement from you...
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you fail to realize i began ignoring you when you started getting personal. if the only way you can get someone's attention is by calling them names then you got to think hard who the real loser is
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you say you don't like getting personal and end the sentence by calling/implying me a loser (getting personal in your own terms).....
you just contradict yourself in the very same post...this is what you've been doing the whole discussion........idi point out chesthey, sensitive aipothaav...
sare enjoy chesuko....I thought you are a smart guy up for a decent discussion......at least I don't have any qualms about you now... |
Desparado
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Evariki Chendali part2 esukondi vayya....endhi ee laagudu...theddu barvvu ekki sasthundhi...... |
Pplsuck
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You can call everything and anything personal in the way you mention it.
For me "personal" means I am talking about your off db life or about your family or some physical attributes about you or something like that.
I don't consider talking about your posts or describing the mental state behind those posts as personal. they are just attributes of the discussion/poster at hand. |
Pplsuck
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Sanman,
there isn't anything personal about my comments about your posts.....I am giving my read of your posts.....
I have no clue who you are personally and I really don't care about it.
You can ignore all you want...but you know that I ain't creating lies out of thin air.....every post I made is about your posts and nothing about you personally....
You can call out my posts that are incoherent or flip-floppings or contradictory to each other or outright lies or whatever weakness you see behind them...I wouldn't take it personal.....
"Personal" is the most abused word in the DB. |
Blackmamba
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Getafix
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Blackmamba: maa kamalai discuss cheyyaneeki vedalu mottam sadivindu weekend kookoni.
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Sanman
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Pplsuck:
you fail to realize i began ignoring you when you started getting personal. if the only way you can get someone's attention is by calling them names then you got to think hard who the real loser is |
Pplsuck
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against pandits in this thread
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another classic example of "cheppevi sri ranga neethulu........"
Sanman is all against the classification/grouping of people based on birth......it would be nice to know who constitutes this group called "Pandits" and on what basis he grouped them...hope his classification is not based on their birth.......otherwise, how ironic it would be for all his passionate posts about how birth shouldn't determine the grouping of people...... |
Pplsuck
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ok considering that and your maturity and open mindedness in conducting the discussion in the latter part of this thread i am removing my sig.
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Uh oh, dishonesty to the core and deviousness personified.....
If Sanman believes that he is right, he should continue to keep the quote as part of his signature.
If Sanman thinks that he does not have proper sources or validate the events in time, he can take it out of the signature
An honest person would do the thing he believes in and for the right reasons.......not showing some pathetic loser attitude by giving up due to some unrelated emotional crap.....
To lose or accept that they are wrong, one can do it gracefully. But it takes real pathetic losers to tender an unapologetic apology......either you are sorry or you are not sorry...anthey gaani....."I am sorry if you think I have offended you.." is 24-carat bull crap...
Kamal ki edo bichcham vesinattu, aa quote siggy lo teesesaadanta.....
emayya 2cool, ilaanti loser attitudes ni penchi poschinchadam okati....not cool at all.....
some one can man up and do the right thing for right reasons....or keep posting like some one who lacks any integrity, devoid of any sense of shame....and keep trying to fool others by slipping in unrelated stuff and find escape routes.....hoping no body would call them out.... |
Blackmamba
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intaki ee thed lo vijethani declare sesaara ledaaa.. maa kamalai discuss cheyyaneeki vedalu mottam sadivindu weekend kookoni... kamalai ni vijetha ga prakatinchali ani manavi... |
Blackmamba
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Raman:maa relatives cousink cousin avutaadu
 casette endo seffante sollu seftaarendi.. sare meeru ye casette oo seffandi |
Raman
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Blackmamba:
maa relatives cousink cousin avutaadu |
Blackmamba
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Raman: maa last recruit blackmamba kurradu ninne varun sandesh fan ani oppukunnadu
 intaki aadu ye casette oo seffane ledu.. |
2cool
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Raman annai..sanman ki jai kottindhi 500 posts thread chadvi content nachhi kaadhu
oka vaipu single hand ga 500 kottinchadu ani..ayina TDP fans ni oka IR annai, Sanman annai lantri vallu kummina problem yem ledu..valladhi agenda based musugu CHiru fanism or Jagan fanism kaadu..andarni equal ga kummuthaar kiki |
Raman
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2cool:
kotha demudande kongotha demudandee ....
gatam lo same tune der ki padinatlu unnaruga N fans kiki
Sanman kurradu venuka peda nimna prajala anachiveta gurinchi 2000 years fire undi mee lant bhuswamya vargalni kuda vadili pettadu |
2cool
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medhavula ke medhavi sanman annai ki jai |
Basky_indya
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HanumanthuniTHOKApivarundu itla aniyey!!}
kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!!
JP_ROCKS: ...der unte enchakka andarni giant wheel ekkistadu..girrr mani oogachu.. |
Kamal
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Bushu:
hinduthva ki praanam posindhey maa lantollam. kaani we have moved on, but the followers like BJP are still stuck.
Hinduthva is like the wheel of dharma .. you cannot go away from it for too long .. atleast in India ..
Jai Sri Ram |
Raman
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Bushu:
ninnu bbatch loki update sesaru db vargalu maa last recruit blackmamba kurradu ninne varun sandesh fan ani oppukunnadu |
Bushu
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Kamal:B-MAT ki apply seskondi .. mee lanti vallu aa league lo undatam Hindutva ki enthaina avasaram .
hinduthva ki praanam posindhey maa lantollam. kaani we have moved on, but the followers like BJP are still stuck.  |
Kamal
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Bushu:
aahaa BJP and lok sattaa
ante .. Hinduism ni stick tho beating sestaante .. intha poratam seyyalsi vastondi ..
btw .. B-MAT ki apply seskondi .. mee lanti vallu aa league lo undatam Hindutva ki enthaina avasaram ..
Jai Sri Ram |
Bushu
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Kamal:
aahaa BJP and lok sattaa 
Raman:endukinta doubt? belt vachaka neeku doubts perugutunnai
yem beltuu? unnadhey eskonepuduuu  |
Kamal
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Sanman:ok considering that and your maturity and open mindedness in conducting the discussion in the latter part of this thread i am removing my sig. also i apologize for any light hearted albeit offensive use of cliches against pandits in this thread
you need not apologize .. all in good sense .. kaani I think no one including myself is in favor of a section of people treated as untouchables .. agree its a sham and few people did use it in their favor .. kaani that should not be extended to generalize and say that Hinduism since its founding (i know it is a wrong usage considering its not a typical religion) is racist and skewed while preying on people is an opinion that, to me reflects hatred ..
anyways .. pardon me, on occasions, if my language was harsh .. but these bhasyas certainly need some neutral attention as to evaluate Sankara ..
Jai Sri Ram |
Raman
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Bushu:
annai, manu smriti raasina manu brahmin ye antaavaa?
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Kamal:
ok considering that and your maturity and open mindedness in conducting the discussion in the latter part of this thread i am removing my sig. also i apologize for any light hearted albeit offensive use of cliches against pandits in this thread |
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Sanman single handed ga 500 kottisthunnad gaa thread ni.. neelo oka steve waugh aupadthundu bedar.. |
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Sanman:
annai, manu smriti raasina manu brahmin ye antaavaa? |
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Sanman:yes. i posted some below also. the problem is the books seem to be filled with contradictions and subject to interpretations which is the problem with any religious books which can be used by some selfish people to control the masses, which happened in hinduism also
create confusion and hatred??? which is happening today?
first thing .. Sankara aa sentence annada leda .. we do not know .. ekkada annadu .. we do not know the context .. then .. was it prior or later to the "realization" he witnessed due to Lord Shiva's gnana .. edi clarity ledu .. but the zeal to pronounce him guilty is simply baffling and ulterior ..
Sanman:i am saying it does not seem too far fetched considering his position on sudras and their rights.
him quoting manu smriti to support his arguments that lead can poured into the years of a sudra who hears vedas, shows his position on sudras
well .. tell what is real .. not what you assume as being near or far off ..
he did quote manu smriti .. on who can learn vedas .. but then he later propounded Advaita .. and for all good intended reasons .. you are able to learn how did Sankara's life change from being a normal being to a gnani after realization .. so if your argument has to carry some weight .. the chronology of events is very important .. Is there some source who says, Sankara after formulating Advaita, struck to his Manu Smriti stance?
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Kamal:did you consider this translation in the same link?
yes. i posted some below also. the problem is the books seem to be filled with contradictions and subject to interpretations which is the problem with any religious books which can be used by some selfish people to control the masses, which happened in hinduism also
Kamal:cannot learn vedas ani anataniki .. when u look at a sudra, take a bath anataniki difference undi anukunta ..
i am saying it does not seem too far fetched considering his position on sudras and their rights.
him quoting manu smriti to support his arguments that lead can poured into the years of a sudra who hears vedas, shows his position on sudras
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". |
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Sanman:http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/advaita-vedanta/529058-sh ankara-sss.html
> Kindly refer shankara's sUtra bhAshya on apashudrAdhikaraNa...refer
shankara bhAshya from 1-3-34 to 1-3-38
and regarding these .. thanks for some credible links .. though they are still people like you and me discussing what Sankara's words would mean .. though I would like to read Sankara's bhasyas this week myself and try to see .. which verison of the translation is nearer to some truth .. between .. did you consider this translation in the same link?
quote:and our most learned Shastriji gave a wonderful translation of the
above verse and said " A person who has realized that he is brahman
is worthy of being worshipped as a guru, whatever may be his origin.
( chandala ) This implies that any one in any varna or even those
outside any varna can get brahmajnAna !
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Sanman:more on sankara's upholding of manu smriti that sudras cannot learn vedas
cannot learn vedas ani anataniki .. when u look at a sudra, take a bath anataniki difference undi anukunta .. first one talks about who can/cannot learn vedas and we are not debating that here .. second one, supposedly if true and also in a particular context that goes with it, disregards a section of people .. second is a serious charge, specially in todays times .. so .. let us first try to ascertain the authenticity of the sloka in your signature ..
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Kamal:
careful there. just because we didnt find a link in hindunet.org doesnt mean it is false. nenu cheppindhi athanu analedhu ani kaadhu. exact verse numbers naku teliyadhu ani. kinda post chesina link lo konni bits -
I have read a book of Vivekananda, this book contains letters written by Vivekananda. And Vivekananda writes:
"The religion of Buddha has reared itself on the Upanishads, and, upon that also the philosophy of Shankara. Only, Shankara had not the slightest bit of Buddha's wonderful heart, dry intellect merely! For the fear of Tantras, for fear of the mob, in his attempt to cure a boil he amputated the very arm itself! One has to write a big volume if one has to write about them at all"
more on sankara's upholding of manu smriti that sudras cannot learn vedas
http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/1996_10/msg00029.html
> Shankara, in accordance with the Brahms Sutras, seems to firmly hold that
a
> *born shudra* has no competence to study the Vedas. He gives argument
after
> argument why this is so.
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> The verse is BSB (1.3.38) and a few preceding verses.
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> BSB (1.3.38): " And because the smriti prohibits for the Shudra the
hearing,
> study, and acquisition of the meaning (of the vedas)."
http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/advaita-vedanta/529058-sh ankara-sss.html
> Kindly refer shankara's sUtra bhAshya on apashudrAdhikaraNa...refer
shankara bhAshya from 1-3-34 to 1-3-38
This is in e bhashya of Brahmasutra 1.3.38. Gautama sutra
says that if a sudra hears the veda his ears should be filled wih
molten lead. It is further said in the bhashya that if a sudra
chants the vedas his tongue should be cut off.
http://medhajournal.com/index2.php?option=com_content&task=v iew&id=53&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=90
Shankara, as is seen in the above quote, has said at the very beginning of his commentary on the Brahma Sutras that the study of the Upanishads and illumination have absolutely nothing to do with Vedic religious rites. He is now contradicting his own commentary on BSB I.i.1 and saying that a Shudra cannot study the Vedas since a Shudra is not eligible to carry out the rites of the Vedic Karma-Kanda. It is clear that it is this illogical stance that Vivekananda was pointing out in his epistle.
verse numbers unte kani oppukovu kabatti avi unna examples matrame post chesanu
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". |
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Sanman:annagaru naaku samskrutam raadhu. google ae dikku.
hahaha .. nenu monna friday ne google cheyyalsindi .. kaani enduko I trusted you .. kaani you know what you did .. anyways .. answers.yahoo .. 1080hdtvprojectors .. forums.sulekha .. seattle web kaadu swamy manaki kavalsindi .. any authentic site .. which is deemed credible in public opinion ..
ninna google cheste .. aa sloka ki references lekunda oka 4-5 places .. exactly same meaning cite chesaru .. surprising .. inkekkada dorakaledu .. now .. you tell me .. how authentic is your signature so that it even warrants a discussion ..
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Kamal:
annagaru naaku samskrutam raadhu. google ae dikku.
idhe charcha ikkada jarigindhi
http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2008071604331 6AAUiroI
andulo oka athidhi post -
Here are some quotes from Brahma-sutra Bhashaya of Sankara and SriBhashya of Ramanuja.
"The Sudras are not qualified for that reason also that Gautama having ascertained Jabala not to be a Sudra from his speaking the truth, proceeded to initiate and instruct him. 'None who is not a Brahmana would thus speak out. Go and fetch fuel, friend, I shall initiate you. You have not swerved from truth.' (Ch up 4.4.5) Sankara Bhashya (1:3:37)
"From those Sudras, however, who like Vidura and 'the religious hunter' acquire knowledge in consequence of the after effects of former deeds, the fruit of their knowledge cannot be witheld, since knowledge in all cases brings about its fruit." (Sankara 1.3.38)
"Owing to the effect of former actions, which ahd not yet worked themselves out, they were born in a low caste, while at the same time they possessed wisdom owing to the fact that the knowledge acquired by then in former births had not yet quite vanished." (Ramanuja 1.3.33)
"Even a person who because he does not belong to an ashrama stands between as it were, is qualified for knowledge. 'For that is seen'. For we meet wth scriptural passages declaring that persons of that class such as Raikva and the daughter of Vachanu--possessed the knowledge of Brahman (ch 4.1, Bri 3.6.8)"(Sankara3.4.36)
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". |
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Sanman:not sure which work is it a part of. but considering his attitude towards sudras in general as described in this article -
http://forums.sulekha.com/forums/philosophy/adi-sankar-and-s udras.htm
it doesnt seem too far fetched
please .. give me some authentic source .. no some sulekha blog where any idiot can vomit anything ..
btw .. the same author thought Mughals promoted and supported Hinduism in another blog of his/hers ..
Kamal:http://forums.sulekha.com/forums/philosophy/did-mughals-prom ote-and-support-hinduism-130761.htm
and I will be shell shocked if that was the case .. more so with beasts and their barbarism clearly recorded in history with like Babar and Aurangzeb in Mughal fold .. so, please come up with the appropriate source and link for the Sankara sloka .. so that I will try to learn how bad of a person is Sankara .. not some slanderous articles showing ideological dissentry ..
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Kamal:Aadi Sankara idi ekkada cheppadu? please give me a source .. curious to know the total context and associated scripture .. I am sure you have some authentic source if you are infact patronizing it through your signature ..
not sure which work is it a part of. but considering his attitude towards sudras in general as described in this article -
http://forums.sulekha.com/forums/philosophy/adi-sankar-and-s udras.htm
it doesnt seem too far fetched
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". |
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Sanman:hindus ki authentic scripture enti ante ippati daaka answer raledhu.
Aadi Sankara idi ekkada cheppadu? please give me a source .. curious to know the total context and associated scripture .. I am sure you have some authentic source if you are infact patronizing it through your signature ..
Sanman:Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby".
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Sanman:
One is considered as Hindu only if he believes in the authority of Vedas and follows sanathana dharma. Vedas are the authentic scriptures of hinduism.
Please tell us the source of your signature quote on sankara. |
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hindus ki authentic scripture enti ante ippati daaka answer raledhu. anukuntam gani mana daggara kuda bagane talent undhi
The sudras are not qualified for that reason also that Smriti prohibits their hearing the Veda, their studying the Veda, and their understanding and performing Vedic matters. The prohibition of hearing the Veda is conveyed by the following passages:'The ears of him who hears the Veda are to be filled with [molten] lead and lac', and'For a sudra is like a cemetry, therefore, the Veda is not not to be read in the vicinity of a sudra.
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". |
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kani ee thread lonchi ochina aani muthyam B-MAT
ee DB lo passionate gaa thama caste ni support jeskune Rs, Ks kova loki basky kurrodu kooda cherukunnadu B gangster gaa.
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Sanman:so why were his quotes famous before he became a master ?
Sanman:didnt know he didnt need to correct himself. then my siggie is apt considering he never retracted it no matter what the reason
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Let me see if this helps....
For a vehicle to run, there will be a driver/controlling elements like steering........running elements like engine.......other needed elements like the body/seating/chassis..........and then exhaust elements like fuel and other things.....
applying the same rules for a society to run.......there will be people at the top, steering the vehicle and enjoying the ride........middle class forms the chassis and engine elements.......and marginalized people get to bear the brunt like the purged exhaust.......only difference is people are inter-exchangeable for other people as different parts of the system....
now u can change as many vehicles as you want...and keep exchanging different people as different parts of the system......but then the system still applies to whatever new names you come up with.....or you gotta find perpetual motion machine.......
the problem for those that refute hinduism /caste system is they need to defy logic/reason and reality/truth of nature......surprisingly all those hindu conspirators chose to stand by nature and spoke the truth in the clearest possible terms......
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I think brahmins are the most abused in present day india, they are blamed for all the ills in the society....though i have some reservations against some sections(mostly english educated brahmins) who display superiority complex without any real intellectual depth, i have found most of the pujaris who are still following traditional duties are humble |
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Ishan:Sankara also wrote a commentary on them called "Brahma sutra Bhasyham". MAY BE the source is that.
ok .. repu chadavadaniki try chesta .. I want to find out a source to that sloka .. which is being used as an important tool here ..
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Ishan:http://forums.sulekha.com/forums/philosophy/adi-sankar-and-s udras.htm
from the same author .. (Rashmun )
Did Mughals promote and support Hinduism?
http://forums.sulekha.com/forums/philosophy/did-mughals-prom ote-and-support-hinduism-130761.htm
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Kamal:here is a link to "Brahma Sutras"
Its not Brahma sutras. They are written by Badarayana. They are basically summaries of Upanishads. Many acharyas wrote commentaries on them including sivananda. Sankara also wrote a commentary on them called "Brahma sutra Bhasyham". MAY BE the source is that.
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Ishan:Here are they, but they are definitely NOT authentic links - just opinions of some bloggers.
annai .. here is a link to "Brahma Sutras" and the source here is from the Sivananda Ashram itself .. while the person discussing is Swami Sivananda ..
http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_0/Brahma_Sutra.pdf
quick glance into the document did not give me any such sloka .. though there is a chapter on the eligibility of Sudras to study Vedas .. mari .. I do not know where from the sloka came .. I am having a hard time finding it .. but thanks for the links .. will read through those as well ..
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nice thread.....deeni valla naaku varna system meedha manchi clarity vachindi....especially quotes from mahabharatha by M_S are gems |
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Kamal:
Here are they, but they are definitely NOT authentic links - just opinions of some bloggers.
http://forums.sulekha.com/forums/philosophy/adi-sankar-and-s udras.htm
http://www.mail-archive.com/zestcaste@yahoogroups.com/msg04959.html
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Ishan:
A quick search revealed that the source might be his commentary on "Brahma sutras".
ekkada icharu idi .. naaku link ivvava .. I even studied Maneesha Panchakam today (which is the episode of Sankara coming across a Chandala couple in Kasi and asking them to 'go away' from his way .. who later turn out to be Lord Shiva and Mother Visalakshi) and aa maneesha panchakam lo ekkada ee sloka ledu .. I wonder where did this sloka and its meaning come from ..
(Message edited by ishan on July 11, 2011)
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Eluri_kurradu:madhyalo frustration ki gurai abuse ki venakadatledu ..
adi kurrodi vichakshana ki vadileddaam annai ..
Ishan:I have no Idea when where and why he said that, lets wait for sanman's reply.
nenu google chesa ee roju .. naaku aithe mari CCDB and some falthu discussion boards (like 1080hdtvprojectors, seattleweb, yahoo answers etc) kakunda ekkada kanipinchatledu .. but as u said .. lets wait for sanman to come up with credible references .. specially siggy lo pettukuni .. he is trying to make a point here .. so i think we need the sources ..
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Kamal:
A quick search revealed that the source might be his commentary on "Brahma sutras".
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ok patha kurradu ani sadooko
paath kurradu lot better straight forward
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Kamal:
annai .. nuvvu aina parledu .. naaku aa sloka ki references kavali ivvava? like .. which purana/commentary/smriti has that particular line as part of a sloka uttered by Sankara, in which context ..
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Kamal:
first of all idedo buss ..
shankara charya rasina literary work vunde chance ledu evado propaganda seskuntunnadu ani doubt ..
leka hero realisation ayyemundu konchem anti hero la unte effect untadi an evado rasi undochu .. like ashokudi story chines vallalo ela pracharamndo telsa?
ashokudu oka durasavadi
tana 1000 mandi brothers ni champi tandrini jail lo petti raju ayyadu .. ila start avuddi ..
ayina oka abuser to enduku charchalu itanu mostly path kurradu ani na nammakam
madhyalo frustration ki gurai abuse ki venakadatledu ..
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Ishan:Once he really became a master, people dug up his life history and took and interpret whatever suit their needs.
annai .. nuvvu aina parledu .. naaku aa sloka ki references kavali ivvava? like .. which purana/commentary/smriti has that particular line as part of a sloka uttered by Sankara, in which context ..
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Sanman: so why were his quotes famous before he became a master ?
Says who? Before his enlightenment, he was a regular student, albeit the best one. How come his quotes become famous before he became a master? Famous among whom? Once he really became a master, people dug up his life history and took and interpret whatever suit their needs. |
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Sanman:Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby".
asalu ee sloka ki naaku sources/references ivvagalava?
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those who are inflicting the evil ? they are not just doing their part. they are taking something away from someone!
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For all you want to believe that you are not part of the "Top (evil in your words)" in today's world and absolve yourself for the sufferings in the world.........very good chance you are part of today's top....
read how the game is played today......it is more subtle......"Debt" is the instrument in vogue.......it is called "Credit" system.....
http://hypertiger.blogspot.com/
if you are a person with +ve net wealth looking for yield/returns on your money..........you are part of the TOP (evil in your words).......
Krugmans, Nobel winners/Phds/techno geeks/wall streeters, researchers can be considered today's brahmins......not that all guys into research and studies are pure evil who are part of a hatched conspiracy.....but they are part of the system....
You too belong somewhere in the system....just find out where......and will answer most of the questions.... |
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why not pick on the content and prove them wrong. may be i am getting paid to post against Hindu scriptures. you never know
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my posts are a testament to whether I am focusing on the topic.....but nidra natinchevaanni lepey time ledu naaku......
and further I don't want like to cut someone's funding avenues..... |
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Sanman: as opposed to what
Ruj:.akkada end result cheppatledu..cheylasina work chebuthunadu...for example what is the job nature of a scientist ante to serve the community anedhi indirect end result..to do research and invent anedhi job nature..that way the job nature of sudras was service providers
in the end everone serves the community directly or indirectly..
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One who wins without problem -- it is just "VICTORY"
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Pplsuck:just making sure that I ain't dealing with some crappy guy presenting himself in a new package.....
why not pick on the content and prove them wrong. may be i am getting paid to post against Hindu scriptures. you never know
Ruj:cheylasina work chebuthunadu..
the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes. as opposed to what
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
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Gagu,
adi symbolic gaa cheppaa....I mean manchi packaging (like sandwich) chesi lopala crap petti ammey type ani.......like secular liberal utopian guys in our DB.....
I mean, when people start talking in terms of feelings, emotions, beliefs, faiths and narratives to tell their side of story........instead of in terms of reality (even if not pretty and ppl suck), truth, facts and figures.....you better watch out what they are trying to sell with their discussion ani.........
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Sanman: nothing. human's cant function without providing service to each other. brahmins and kshatriyas also serve their community. why single out sudras to serve higher classes ?
bro..akkada end result cheppatledu..cheylasina work chebuthunadu...for example what is the job nature of a scientist ante to serve the community anedhi indirect end result..to do research and invent anedhi job nature..that way the job nature of sudras was service providers
in the end everone serves the community directly or indirectly..
Sanman: could you explain the part where brahmins are born from the head sudras from feet etc
bro my knowledge is very limited on this..afaik it is a symbolic representation to associate brahmins with knowledge, kshatriyas(shoulders and arms) with power and strength, vaishya with torso(not sure about this) and shudras with legs and lower parts associating with hard work and mobility..and also there is one more line in gita which suggests everyone is born from the lower part of the body and hence everyone is born a shudra..and then depending on the traits they acquire they might shift to other varnas..
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seriously. you should do something about the voices
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hehehe.......if the discussion is pure non-sense, better cut it in the bud ani alaa try chesaa..
plz don't take it personal......just making sure that I ain't dealing with some crappy guy presenting himself in a new package.....
I ain't doing anything about voices....I loving me my precious Sanmanophrenia....why shud I do anything about it?
BTW, Caste system question maathram answer cheyyavaa? |
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Pplsuck:if the discussion is agenda based and if this discussion has any relation to that guy.........
seriously. you should do something about the voices
Ruj:in gita krishna divided castes based on gunas and occupations..not by birth..
could you explain the part where brahmins are born from the head sudras from feet etc
Ruj:so if someone's responsibility is to serve others what is so bad about it??
nothing. human's cant function without providing service to each other. brahmins and kshatriyas also serve their community. why single out sudras to serve higher classes ?
Ruj:no..a scientist born in today's so called sudra family is a brahmin..and vice versa..mana society kampu chesindhi entire varna system ni but not the scriptures..
besides self contradicting scriptures which can be ignored, some people here were trying to undermine the discrimination saying it is a recent phenomenon after foreign invasions and it happened only in parts of India
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". |
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Ishan:He became a master after the episode.
so why were his quotes famous before he became a master ?
Ishan:he didnt have to held a press conference
i'm pretty sure he didn't say those quotes in a press conference either. yet we all are reading about it
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". |
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Sanman: i dont see anything out of context there yet. some scholars have pointed out that caste is according to choices but i didnt get the part where they are created from head, arms, torso and feet and why the people who made bad choices have to "serve" the "pure"
bro naak telisindhi chebuthuna..
in gita krishna divided castes based on gunas and occupations..not by birth..
based on the work nature/occupation aa contextlo sudras responsibility is to serve others annadu...that is by work nature..and again ikkada sudras ante not today's sudras..anyone can become a sudra..a person born in brahmin family can become a sudra by his work nature and gunas..and vice versa..
so if someone's responsibility is to serve others what is so bad about it?? there r tons of professions that way today..no where in gita afaik were sudras refered to in a demeaning manner..
so diff socities ee varna system ni hijack chesi twist chesi exploit chesi..a person born into brahmins family is by defualt a brahmin..and a person born into sudra family is by default a sudra annatlu decide chesaru..so ippudu when we try to corelate things..sudras might get offened why the heck r we supposed to serve others ani...but is that the reality?? no..a scientist born in today's so called sudra family is a brahmin..and vice versa..mana society kampu chesindhi entire varna system ni but not the scriptures..
so indulo confusion emundhi????
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A little history about this guy called Gatha.....just in case therez a chance if the discussion is agenda based and if this discussion has any relation to that guy.........
oka saari discussion lo dobbaleka, amma aali boothulu titti paaripoyaadu........
I might be wrong, but my impression was he is a pathetic and incorrigible loser.......he has no sense of shame....and never can accept that he was wrong about anything......no honesty, modesty, dignity or decency whatsoever....
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Exactly Ishan. intha simple logic elaa miss avuthaaru anybody?......
anyways, I am done getting overwhelmed with trivia in the guise of discussion..........
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didnt know he didnt need to correct himself. then my siggie is apt considering he never retracted it no matter what the reason
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idemi logic brother.......from early ages till grown up, millions of words will be spoken.....and ideas are entertained.....once you realize a new thing and start accepting it.......other things previously accepted may not be valid anymore.....but who can go back and retract/invalidate all the possible statements they ever made???
logically speaking, accepting Chandala means he dint believe in that theory about Sudra anymore.....anthey gaani, jeevitham lo previously cheppina prathi point ni specific gaa condemn cheyyaali antey kudurutundaa?...and get me the proof for that antey? |
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Sanman: i thought he was a founder of modern hinduism, a religious master. didnt know he didnt need to correct himself.
He became a master after the episode. He got his self-realization after it. He then propounded vedantha after that. His concept of vedantha appealed to several people and caused the revival of hinduism back then which was deteriorating because of the influence of budhism.
Regarding correcting his mistake, I meant that he didnt have to held a press conference and tell people that he was sorry for what he said. His concept of advaitham it self is the testimony that he believed in equality later on. |
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makes sense. i don't know how and when the transformation happened but we all know it happened a long time ago
of course not in a generation. people like to transfer fame and power to their families. look at our movies and politics
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enti makes sense aaa?...........people came up such kind of theory/conspiracy called caste system to oppress people aa??......that too to be executed over period of centuries??? and they successfully executed it too?...by allowing majority to religion for some time....and then slowly denied them religion?
what makes sense here?......vinadaanikey vintha gaa undi....nammadaaniki ready aipoyaavaa?
BTW, does that mean initial gaa majority is accepted in Hinduism....and so hinduism in itself did not start out with denial of temple/god/religion antaavaa?
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prove to me that quote is before he realized or show me a retraction ? Don't you think that is pretty un-holy to not correct your past statements after you realize they were wrong ?
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.so yeah that was an assumption on my part...my bad..
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as we don't know the sequence, keep both the episodes give an objective picture of Aadi ani cheppaa...... |
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Ishan:He was a spiritual pursuer.
oh ok. i thought he was a founder of modern hinduism, a religious master. didnt know he didnt need to correct himself. then my siggie is apt considering he never retracted it no matter what the reason
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". |
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Sanman: Don't you think that is pretty un-holy to not correct your past statements after you realize they were wrong ?
He was not a politician nor an administrator to be accountable to what he said. He was a spiritual pursuer. In the beginning he followed the established norms of the society like all others. But later on after the chandala episode, he propounded advaitha. Adi sankaracharya ani movie vuntundi eppudanna choodu. |
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Pplsuck:antey first aMajority ki GOD ni, religion ni introduce chesaaru....and they were not denied.......but after the masses were brainwashed, they were denied God antaavaa?
makes sense. i don't know how and when the transformation happened but we all know it happened a long time ago
Pplsuck:remember all this happened over centuries.........or you think it (introduce, brainwash and then deny?) all happened in one generation?
of course not in a generation. people like to transfer fame and power to their families. look at our movies and politics
Pplsuck:I asked you, if you can give a more complete picture by putting the other episode into that bottom line of yours......
and i am asking you, prove to me that quote is before he realized or show me a retraction ? Don't you think that is pretty un-holy to not correct your past statements after you realize they were wrong ?
Pplsuck:same rule vaallaki apply cheyyochchugaa antunnaa.....
apply to who ? those who are inflicting the evil ? they are not just doing their part. they are taking something away from someone!
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". |
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precisely why people trust politicians
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here, I was trying to trust you
if paazible, caste/class system ni society lo nunchi avoid cheyyagalamaa? daaniki answer cheyyi truthfully without deviating by going into specific abuses and other practices stuff.......
I am all ears to how the system can be improvised.....but denial of the system itself doesn't make sense to me....
if you answer above, I will at least think that you were honest about the discussion.....or else take it easy and I am done here.... |
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society put together a group of people in charge of deciding what my contribution should be to the society and i am obeying it. i don't see how i am the one to take blame here. you can blame me for not doing more but you can randomly pick anyone and it would be true for them also.
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same rule vaallaki apply cheyyochchugaa antunnaa......those people paid their dues as prescribed by the then society.....so nobody can be blamed for anything based on your argument.... |
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i didn't make up that quote.
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when did I say that?....I asked you, if you can give a more complete picture by putting the other episode into that bottom line of yours......
idemi kaamedy?......."last post wins" category lo discussion aithey lite teesukuntaa... |
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only after establishing your philosophy showing a bigger power as the source can you convince the masses that their menial life is insignificant and they are born to serve the higher class(caste).
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antey first aMajority ki GOD ni, religion ni introduce chesaaru....and they were not denied.......but after the masses were brainwashed, they were denied God antaavaa?
antey some one planned over many centuries that....first lets introduce GOD and religion to everyone..........then brainwash them....then deny them God/Religion down the lane after many centuries........
bhaiyya, asalu em cheptunnaavo naaku ardham kaatalledu....
lets go for one thing at a time....okka saari malli cheppu........what happened over all those centuries....how it was planned, how it was started and how it was executed....
remember all this happened over centuries.........or you think it (introduce, brainwash and then deny?) all happened in one generation? |
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Pplsuck:oka saari majority was denied god/temple/religion antaav.....oka saari majority was oppressed using religion antaav
how are those two mutually exclusive ? only after establishing your philosophy showing a bigger power as the source can you convince the masses that their menial life is insignificant and they are born to serve the higher class(caste). btw you should get checked about the voices
Pplsuck:If not, prove it is after realization..
i didn't make up that quote. show me a retraction from "aadi" or show me a timeline. i am the one with open mind giving the benefit of doubt. can you at least meet halfway
Pplsuck:so paying ur individual dues according to society's norms clears you of all the evils of today..
even if i go broke and don't pay taxes doesn't mean i am responsible for the "evils of today". those who are perpetrating those evils are responsible. society put together a group of people in charge of deciding what my contribution should be to the society and i am obeying it. i don't see how i am the one to take blame here. you can blame me for not doing more but you can randomly pick anyone and it would be true for them also.
Pplsuck:for all your ALTRUISTIC heart pouring out for oppressed, I really thought your feelings for them are real and true...
precisely why people trust politicians
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". |
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Pplsuck:..I don't sell no shxit sandwiches .....
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Anand,
Sanman got it regarding my Aadi's post...how come you missed it?.....may be I need to express myself better......
and how can you ever think I will deny discrimination.....Top always rules...Bottom always pays.....and thats how the system works.....all about nature and hierarchical system here.....definite practices and definite traditions/culture might wary......but then life runs with top, middle and bottom doing their thing......
caste system runs everywhere with diff names and a lil diff flavors......adi bottomine here......
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Basky_indya:kanakapu simhaasamuna sunakam koorchopettina... daani buddhi podhu...
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I have never seen untouchability existed in 0-1000AD period. ekkadanna vuntey,
aa pettina proofs busssssssssss ayuntayi. victim card intelligently played.
kanakapu simhaasamuna sunakam koorchopettina... daani buddhi podhu...
em laabham..
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Anand,
When did I ever say there was no discrimination? and I don't ever try to prove any concept like that.
Aadi realization about accepting Chandala kooda kalipi pedithey, that will complete the picture......
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isn't that the case of every religion ? some get power some get wealth rest are blissful followers without questions
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for all your intelligence, what I am trying to say is........oka saari majority was denied god/temple/religion antaav.....oka saari majority was oppressed using religion antaav.....now, stop diverting by talking about other religions and whatever that comes from those voices I hear....
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prove to me - that quote is before realization and i will remove it
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that sequence sounds logical.....so yeah that was an assumption on my part...my bad..
If not, prove it is after realization........and then quote both of them......may be he has a dual personality disorder or whatever....people will get total picture....unlike the half picture voices reinforce on us...
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who am i to judge others. i am doing my part as dictated by the society. if it seems less to you please feel free to compensate for me like you are expecting me to compensate for those who don't
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so paying ur individual dues according to society's norms clears you of all the evils of today.....same way, those guys were paying the dues of that society's norms....why are they exempt from the rule that applies to you?
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if everything we discuss here is an announcement of intentions we would have had a few CMs from this db by now
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achcha oorike ubusupoka???...........nee passion choostuntey inkaa emanna chesesthaavemo anukunaa.....for all your ALTRUISTIC heart pouring out for oppressed, I really thought your feelings for them are real and true... |
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Anand_n:What I find ridiculous is people blaming it on external factors and claiming is only happened in the last 300-400 years
proofs unnai kabatti adhanna kastapadi oppukuntunnaaru. daaniki kuda enni vankarlo tiragalo anni tirugutunnaaru like they did in this thread
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". |
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Raman:do you think that this discrimination existed because of shankara?
No, I don't. I think it existed way before Sankara and before Buddha..
What I find ridiculous is people blaming it on external factors and claiming is only happened in the last 300-400 years
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panduranga mahatyam lo balayya tabu scenes unchi chivara realisation scenes teesesi cinema chupinchi appudu balayya ala annadu ante ela?
anand gaaru we are talking about 2000 years of suffering  |
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Pplsuck:sounds like Majority are cleverly oppressed using religion and religious teachings..
isn't that the case of every religion ? some get power some get wealth rest are blissful followers without questions
Pplsuck:quote Aadi's post that suits the argument and leave out Chandala's episode...
prove to me - that quote is before realization and i will remove it
Pplsuck:by the same logic, may be all those guys were paying the dues set by those societies.
who am i to judge others. i am doing my part as dictated by the society. if it seems less to you please feel free to compensate for me like you are expecting me to compensate for those who don't
Pplsuck:BTW, Caste system ni eppudu teeseestunnaav society nunchi?
if everything we discuss here is an announcement of intentions we would have had a few CMs from this db by now
Ruj:kavalsina line cut chesi siggielo ettukunadu..
i dont see anything out of context there yet. some scholars have pointed out that caste is according to choices but i didnt get the part where they are created from head, arms, torso and feet and why the people who made bad choices have to "serve" the "pure"
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". |
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Anand_n:
do you think that this discrimination existed because of shankara? |
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Sopathi:Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby".
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Pplsuck:quote Aadi's post that suits the argument and leave out Chandala's episode.......
I fail to understand how the Chandala episode in any way indicates there was no discrimination at the time?
If anything it only reinforces the widespread acceptance of untouchability in that period. If a utopian equality existed at the time , why would Adisankara ask the Chandala to move out of his way and need to have Siva appear to correct his errant actions ? Was it not because of it being a prevailing social practise at that time ?
Don't understand the point of this discussion ...
Are you all denying that discrimination existed or justifying the social practise of untouchability?
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Pplsuck:Sanman, nuvvu super smart maama. quote Aadi's post that suits the argument and leave out Chandala's episode.......Gita ni kaavalsinattu cut chesi quote cheyyadam........
adhe ardham kaaka lite teesukuna.. kavalsina line cut chesi siggielo ettukunadu..sopathi bhayya vachi aa siggi ni three time quote chesi bemmi expressions ettadu
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i am claiming that (mis)using the teachings in religious books a strong class system is enforced by the upper classes, voiding major sections of people - knowledge, education, opportunities, equality and freedom.
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sounds like Majority are cleverly oppressed using religion and religious teachings..
and the the curious case of Sanmanophrenia...
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Scheduled castes and other backward classes in Travancore were not only denied entry into temple, but also access to temple roads.
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this above statement is used to argue that majority were denied god/religion/temple...
I used to like Jumping Jack Jitender.....now I have a new fav guy.
Sanman, nuvvu super smart maama. quote Aadi's post that suits the argument and leave out Chandala's episode.......Gita ni kaavalsinattu cut chesi quote cheyyadam........
Maama, neekemanna voices vinipisthaayaa appudappudu?....I am hearing voices after reading your posts....
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I am paying taxes..."
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as if paying the dues set by today's norms absolves you of all the social evils and state of marginalized people.........by the same logic, may be all those guys were paying the dues set by those societies.....doesn't it absolve them of whatever evils of their day?
aina manam logic and burra vaadithey ivanni questions........jump and jump and jump ki manakavanni lite le...
BTW, Caste system ni eppudu teeseestunnaav society nunchi?
anyways, from today I am your fan......I will break all mirrors at my home and let my voices lead me to bliss......
BTW, nuvvu Gatha kurrodivaa?.......no wonder, Sopathi kurrodu whistles meeda whistles.....ippatinunchi nenu kooda.......I luv me some Sanmanophrenia..... |
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"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby".
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http://www.vaikomonline.com/
Scheduled castes and other backward classes in Travancore were not only denied entry into temple, but also access to temple roads.
http://www.sociologyguide.com/socialmovement/maharmovement.p hp
This was backed by protest against the status that was accorded to them by the dominant groups backed by religion.
They not only achieved self-respect and honor but also gained access to the religious goods and services of the twice-born castes that they had long been denied.
The Ahir are an Indian subcaste. The term can be used synonymously with Yadav
http://chaikadai.wordpress.com/2010/11/27/access-denied/
In 21st century India, backward castes and dalits are still subjected to such acute stigma that they are not allowed to use water from wells used by the upper castes, are denied employment to occupations other than their caste-based one, and are barred from entering places of worship.
I rest my case. good night
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". |
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Sanman:oka post lo BCs ante evaru time ni batti state ni batti maarataaaru ani tamare selavichaaru. ippudu ae time lo ae oorlo BCs gurinchi adugutunnaaru
last post .. temple access denied BCs ni nuvvu cite chesavu .. ye time/region BCs aina parledu .. hearty welcome .. instances choopinchu ..
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Sanman://last 200-300 years lo vachina degradation ni pattukuni .. //
annamayya eppatodu ?
two things here .. if these oppression was so rampant .. he would have dedicated his whole life for that cause .. kaani kaade .. second .. who were the rulers of annamayya's time period? vallu sudras kaada? alage annamayya zamana lo society lo wealth etc gurinchi emanna idea unda? Indian trade of silk, spices, works of art etc nunchi produce aina wealth evari daggara undedi?
Sanman://papam konni sections of society poor aipoyaaru? gootle naa kodukulu desam meeda padi dochukuni tinadam valle kada .. //
kaadhu. vaallaki oodigam chesi sontha manushula midha padi batikina FC sections valla. how many britishers were present in India ? who were their employees ? zamindars kuda britishers ae naa.
lol .. britishers dochukunna amount emanna andaaza unda? spices, cotton, agri products, metals like gold, silver along with copper, bronze, zinc etc ..
Sanman://wealth anedi pre-1700 India lo almost andari daggara undi .. //
hehehe
kaavalani .. world class artisans ni produce chesina society ane sentence ni cut chesi dobbava? inka nee tho discussion anavasaram .. you are hell bent upon proving ur point by evading an answer .. till 1700 .. India is the wealthiest country in the whole world anedi clearly recorded and acknowledged .. anduke brit gallu antha dooram nunchi ikkada ki vacharu dochukovadaniki .. but nee gola neede ga .. bye .. inka naaku opika ledu ee twisted arguments ni disprove cheyyadaniki .. I think I have wasted enough time here ..
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Kamal:BCs and STs ki .. temple access ledu ani prove cheyyagalava???
oka post lo BCs ante evaru time ni batti state ni batti maarataaaru ani tamare selavichaaru. ippudu ae time lo ae oorlo BCs gurinchi adugutunnaaru
Kamal:ika maadi swatimutyam puram .. aithe meedi hitler palle ani decide chesa .. nuvvu cheppina episode ni batti .. emantaavu?
sare public decide chesukuntaru le
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". |
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//last 200-300 years lo vachina degradation ni pattukuni .. //
annamayya eppatodu ?
//adi kuda whole history of some 3500+ years .. //
200-300 kuda manam oppukovadaniki reason avi well documented kabatti.
bharatam lo stories, budhudi example, chinese traveler raasinavi anni ignore mode lo ki poinai
//wealth anedi pre-1700 India lo almost andari daggara undi .. //
hehehe
//papam konni sections of society poor aipoyaaru? gootle naa kodukulu desam meeda padi dochukuni tinadam valle kada .. //
kaadhu. vaallaki oodigam chesi sontha manushula midha padi batikina FC sections valla. how many britishers were present in India ? who were their employees ? zamindars kuda britishers ae naa.
//SCs ni untouchables laa treat cheyyadam evadanna samardhinchada? lede .. Dayananda Saraswati nunchi Vivekananda nunchi monnati Kanchi Sankaracharya varaku andaru tappu ane chepparu .. velli harijanula illalo undi society ni reform cheyyadaniki try chesaru .. avi evi gurtu raavu ..//
gurajada against gaa matlaadaadu kaabatti asalu india lo child marriages jaragaledhu aa time lo ani annattu undhi idhi. the reason they had to speak up is because it was rampant
"Paricharyatmakam karmam shudarasyapi swabhavajam" in Gita chapter 18(44)
Meaning: "The four castes are created by me and the duty of the shudra is to serve the other three castes"
Aadi Sankara said: "Shudradhi sparsane snanam Karyam shudheem abheepsidha"
Meaning: "Take a bath if seeing a shudra. Take a bath if the low caste approaches nearby". |
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kamal:BCs ki STs ki .. temples ki access undedi ..
sanman:mari itlanti generalizations chesetappudu gurtuku raava dynasties geographies ? baagane command tho cheptunnaavu gaa. mem chepte vinadaniki ento antha ibbandhi
neeku ibbandi lekunda .. BCs and STs ki .. temple access ledu ani prove cheyyagalava??? BCs ki reservation ichina reason .. independence and the prior 100 years lo baga economic ga debba tinnanduku .. vallani separate ga classify chesare kaani .. BCs kuda .. Forward castes lo kondari laaga sudras ee ga .. if its just about social status?
ika maadi swatimutyam puram .. aithe meedi hitler palle ani decide chesa .. nuvvu cheppina episode ni batti .. emantaavu?
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