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Tilak
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Speaker:
Mantra heenam, Kriya heenam, Bhakti heenam Janaardana,
Yat pujitam maya Deva Paripurnam tha dasthu the
Anaya Dhyaanaa vaahanaadi Shodasopachaaraaya Bhagavaan Sarvaatmakah-
Supreeta Suparasanno varado bhavatu-
Hey Janaardana, my worship to You is without Mantras, without rituals, and without devotion; kindly accept my worship without these qualities; also without meditation, 'Vahanas' or Carriers, and such other Sixteen Services, I am concluding my worship; kindly be pleased with my worship and ignore all my limitations
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Tilak:
yo kamalaai..
whatzApp..??
mee banda amith shah gaaaniki..seffu...negsht time g faguluddani..
g = guddu
ikikiki
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Tilak
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Musicfan:thats because entire universe is made up of same five elements, so if we look at that level its all same.
Perfect .. on this point, we are on the same level 
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Ishan:The quote may be applicable to Sankara's system which says the world is real and unreal at the same time.
Thats the definition of Advaita I am referring to. The simplest meaning of Advaita is - that there is no dwaita or duality. And hence, everything, real and unreal, is ONE being.
Cinejeevi: But since 6 plus years or so it's been organized rather "dutifulness" and can see a lot of change in myself and many experiences...
Ela? What motivated you annai?
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Musicfan
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Ishan:we are the same even at the body level...
thats because entire universe is made up of same five elements, so if we look at that level its all same.
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Ishan:
Parallel universes lo idoka antaaraa guruji? |
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Ishan
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Gatti_gunde:
slokas kaadu manthras...they are different
Musicfan:Even then we are not same on the body level, we are same at conscious level
Hmmm...as per vivekananda we are the same even at the body level...maya makes us think we are different...so I actually dont think this world is real at any point...its slightly different from sankara's system as I said. Ya it could be its just how we arrange the words. |
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Ishan:But advaita's stand is that at any level there is only one being...rest is Maya..
Yes adi shankara says everything is unreal in the sense its a reflection of consciousness . Everything is not real as its reflection, but its true because it exists we see all the objects. Even then we are not same on the body level, we are same at conscious level, which is the deep level. thats why it is advaita ani antunnadi. Given Eckhart Tolle's influence on Indian scriptures, feeling its said in the same sense. Wordings might be different for us to interpret.
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Ishan:
oka pakka Arjun Reddy thed ... inko pakka Slokas thed .....anduke mimmalni taathaaa anedhi  |
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Ishan
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Musicfan:why not
The quote says "at the deepest level of being, you are one with all that is". But advaita's stand is that at any level there is only one being...rest is Maya...just an appearance. So there is never "all that is"...it should be written as "all that appears" or something like that. The difference is subtle but profound. But I am more of vivekananda's advaitha believer. The quote may be applicable to Sankara's system which says the world is real and unreal at the same time. |
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Ishan:Its not.
why not, at consciousness level everything is one and same, thats what advaita says.
Supreme self is nothing but infinite consciousness which is all pervading and everything is one and same. but at body level we all are different, nothing but advaita philosophy.
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Tilak:Interesting. I never knew about him. He is also making lot of money!
Yes he does. He is one of the top motivational speakers in the world. He is rationalizing and simplifying philosophy for common people.
Tilak:3rd quote is nothing but definition of Advaita!
Its not. |
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Cinejeevi
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Anand_n:more like things that you feel validated/ directed your spiritual path ...
I don't think I am qualified.. However I was a staunch follower of Sanatana Dharma from the beginning doing my nitya karmas but not very focussed. Rather doing those as "tantu" instead of "duty minded". But since 6 plus years or so it's been organized rather "dutifulness" and can see a lot of change in myself and many experiences... nothing changed in Social life part but trying to be detached from "responsibility mode" and getting into "Duty mode". Most importantly balanced mind for any major events though some initial shocks
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Musicfan
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Tilak:Interesting. I never knew about him. He is also making lot of money!
Just see his events most of them will be sold out much before the event. He has become so popular these days that people are ready spend any amount of money to meet him.
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Tilak
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Ishan:I think every person in spiritual pursuit must read Eckhart Tolle's 'Power of Now'. This guy is good.
Interesting. I never knew about him. He is also making lot of money!
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mantras_b_4627674
3rd quote is nothing but definition of Advaita!
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Guerrilla:knowledge renduu naaku levu....nenu handsupp...
\clipart {lol}
Any good reads you would recommend ? Have time on my hands now 
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Tilak
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Ballasticmissile:according to thai ramayana
muslim mapilla ramayanam lo emundi? 
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Baatasari:there are people religiously Db-ing here for past decade..
didnt bring any sense into them.. on the contrary makes them more & more rigid,stupid..
 
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Ballasticmissile:
Yeah.. thats the crux of things..
If u keep reading junk..u will never endup at a worthwhile place 
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Baatasari:
according to thai ramayana ...hanuma is not a virgin...just completed reading it....{run_dog}
and according to jain ramayana ...rama married 3 times, sita is daughter of ravana....
so amit shah is ineligible for top positions n bjp because he is a jain...
Capacity vundi, laziness, and uninspired life is a waste of time.
YOLO kada....
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Anand_n:Saguna not sadguna- meaning maripotundi ani correcting
you are right.. that must be saguna, the one with forms ani naa udesam..
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Musicfan:
First question he asks me during communication is "How Maya is treating you, how you are treating it"
Nice question to ponder on
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Baatasari: sadguna brahman,
Saguna not sadguna- meaning maripotundi ani correcting
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Cinejeevi:
You mean "anything that has happened which is totally unexpected or with no logic"? in plain words something like "mahima"??
Not one time signs/ miracles ... more like things that you feel validated/ directed your spiritual path ...
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Anand_n:Any spiritual milestones/ experiences you feel comfortable sharing ? :-)
You mean "anything that has happened which is totally unexpected or with no logic"? in plain words something like "mahima"??
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Guerrilla:ippudu nannu thagulukoku........neetho argue chese antha opika, knowledge renduu naaku levu....nenu handsupp....
ikkada evaru argue cheyadam le.. this is a "discussion"board - not a wrestling ring..
but optimistic way of looking at things is - you atleast googled once..
you are on a "sincere" quest.. you will get there at your own pace.. as our MusicFan uncle says..
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Baatasari:
ippudu nannu thagulukoku.... ....neetho argue chese antha opika, knowledge renduu naaku levu....nenu handsupp.... |
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Guerrilla:pallavinchu sama veda mantramu sankharabharanamu
do you know, why or what this "pallavinchu" word does to the context..
did you use it .. in the comedy poem u wrote..}
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Nisarga:how is mantra selected in the first place...any other tool would have worked as well ....right...
Mind is nothing but constant flow of thoughts. Not sure when this started that Mantra can counter the mind, once its identified that it can counter Mind well than other tools and also might be another reason that it is applicable to any kind of person, it might have become a tool that is accepted by wider audience.
Compare meditation to mantra,, Meditation, you dont have any other aid other than forcing your mind to focus on something, however Mantra is less logical, less work to brain, just keep chanting the mind someday gets used to it even in sublimation mode, mind knows to think about mantra.
Anyways, we do agree that Mantra is not the only tool. so people can choose whatever they want , end of the day, its all how mind is managed.
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Guerrilla:pallavinchu sama veda mantramu sankharabharanamu
sare youtube link techav..
nuvvu rasinadaniki, aa song lo unna daniki difference telusuna ?
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Baatasari:
samavedam lo undedi - samam/hymns antaru..
yajurvedam lo undedi - mantram
comedy lo apasruthi..
kani continue..
https://youtu.be/JpGSPvWzHmc?t=223
"pallavinchu sama veda mantramu sankharabharanamu"....
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Baatasari:assuming you are open to receiving such thoughts..
Our learning process is constant evolving, what we understand today, will appear differently over a period of time.
What I read Ramayana or Mahabharatam in my childhood is now totally different as the way we see things are different now.
Once we shut down learning process with closing the hearing channel, then there is nothing to learn. Open thoughts are always indication of progress.
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Musicfan:Mantra route is taken not just because it is in culture, it is proven to work. Any tool that works people take that route rather than venturing into some unknown.
mmm... how is mantra selected in the first place...any other tool would have worked as well ....right...
may be mantra path is easy...a least resistant to the mind as there is not much work to be done intellectually loading the mind/brain. |
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Guerrilla:sirobharam navaratna thailamu...
thakita thakita thakadhimi thalamuu..
samaveda mantrame sankarabharanamuuuuu....
samavedam lo undedi - samam/hymns antaru..
yajurvedam lo undedi - mantram
comedy lo apasruthi..
kani continue..
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sirobharam navaratna thailamu...
thakita thakita thakadhimi thalamuu..
samaveda mantrame sankarabharanamuuuuu.... |
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Musicfan:Any tool that works people take that route rather than venturing into some unknown.
yes, well put.. this i will borrow..
this is y such concepts are important..
otherwise you end up like a Db-er who argues incessantly..
what you dont know, you dont know - and for you to get what i am saying, there has to be an object i point you to and explain my side of story...
assuming you are open to receiving such thoughts..
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Nisarga:in DB there is no discussion at all.. it is not possible also.. we just try to reinforce our position by trying to find people who agree with us or appreciate our position ....and dismiss and contempt other views .... there is no discussion possible on foregone conclusion.. most of the positions here are already decided even before the discussion..
i 100% agree to this btw..
it is this that i am refuting..
Nisarga:it need not be mantra.. any attentive action can do the same.action is the key...there is nothing inherently in mantra...
it is like.. concept of sadguna brahman, nirguna brahman..
most cases one leads to another.. cos its mostly the mind tends to require an object to concentrate and hold ur thoughts on..
so is the sadguna brahman concept necessary ?
does it hold any importance/magic at all ?
I would say yes,yes. You say No, No - cos u kind of taking a "Karma Yogi" sort of path..
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Nisarga:it should not matter which tool you use to divert the mind...most people take to mantra because it is already there in the culture...
There is no denial in first statement, Mantra route is taken not just because it is in culture, it is proven to work. Any tool that works people take that route rather than venturing into some unknown.
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Baatasari:people are sharing views, agree, disagree, learn ??
ee matram genuine disco undali ante.. kasta discipline undali kada..
and Mantras help you that..
ide Tilak vere thed start cheste.. vere ga undla ?
its good if it really happens... but how many people you think change their views reading something in the matters of their core beliefs...
may be people change their views in matters like their diet as it may directly effect their health...
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Musicfan:ts very difficult to have focus by other means, True it might be blind belief, but given how the mind works, sometimes, this belief will calms down the mind and work towards the mantra. Else it does all its work to try to avoid it. Other means are extremely difficult and many times mind can overcome those means and end up futile.
The more you play with mind, the more you understand its power. how much practice you do, how much sadhana you do, how much knowledge you have, yet mind does its play, only then we realize how mind controls us, instead of we controlling it.
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unless you already have some predisposition-ed crutch which we try to latch onto.. it should not matter which tool you use to divert the mind... as I said already.... most people take to mantra because it is already there in the culture...
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Nisarga:in DB there is no discussion at all.. it is not possible also.. we just try to reinforce our position by trying to find people who agree with us or appreciate our position ....and dismiss and contempt other views .... there is no discussion possible on foregone conclusion.. most of the positions here are already decided even before the discussion..
it is possible..
see.. as in this thed is an example ?
people are sharing views, agree, disagree, learn ??
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and Mantras help you that..
ide Tilak vere thed start cheste.. vere ga undla ?
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Baba cinema lo o comedy scene..
Rajni - kalika devi naku matram inchindi, dani valla ee magic possible
Priest friend - nenu rojuki 100 sarlu pujalu chestanu, naku kanipinchani kalika devi, Baba ki ela kanipistundi ??
Aathma suddileni aachaara madiyela
Bhaanda suddileni paakamela
Chittha suddhi leni sivapuja lelaraa
Viswadaabhiraama vinura vema!
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Baatasari:by that logic.. there are people religiously Db-ing here for past decade..
didnt bring any sense into them.. on the contrary makes them more & more rigid,stupid..
in DB there is no discussion at all.. it is not possible also.. we just try to reinforce our position by trying to find people who agree with us or appreciate our position ....and dismiss and contempt other views .... there is no discussion possible on foregone conclusion.. most of the positions here are already decided even before the discussion.. |
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Ishan:If you go further, you will realize there was never an actual problem in the first place...it was all illusion.
yes.. there is never a problem... the problem came when the self/ego/mind came... especially the seeking one.... the seeker and the seeking is the same...what all it wants is a way to perpetuate itself in a least resistant way which may differ for life to life ... |
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Anand_n:are you saying all devout people in the dB have the requisite control on their reactions
the arguement earlier was that - "any activity, when done repeatedly leads to xyz, thought process, bla bla .. and there is nothing special in Mantra"
i am correcting that.. there are all kinds of people doing Db-ing ( religiously as in with lots of enthu and not being religious devout ) and none of that matters anyway..
Anand_n:ontinuous focused activity can put you in that state - can personally vouch for that - for me it�s punting - for others it could be running etc
yes, continous act can lead you in that state - "IF you are putting ur mind into good use"
and Mantras acheive exactly that..
hence to my understanding there is something in the Mantra..
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Anand_n:- for me it�s punting
Oops - painting not punting
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Baatasari:
Very shortsighted argument - are you saying all devout people in the dB have the requisite control on their reactions 
Continuous focused activity can put you in that state - can personally vouch for that - for me it’s punting - for others it could be running etc
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Nisarga:any attentive action can do the same.action is the key...there is nothing inherently in mantra
by that logic.. there are people religiously Db-ing here for past decade..
didnt bring any sense into them.. on the contrary makes them more & more rigid,stupid..
Nisarga:most people whoever do these chanting do it out of some blind belief rather than as a rational choice to divert the mind wandering in past/future...
all this hindsight analysis could be to rationalise it..
true.. cos the world is bound by excess of "instant gratification"
if you do X => you get Y
like an eternal carrot..
so people are hardwired to believe all that they do is in return for smthing..
but for the true seeker, its the journey thats important.. and mantras keep you engaged throughout the journey..set ur mind on something..
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Nisarga:placebo effect seem to work even if it is known that it a placebo.
...which means placebo is not an actual placebo after all...its all the medicine some need. If you go further, you will realize there was never an actual problem in the first place...it was all illusion. |
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Nisarga:it need not be mantra.. any attentive action can do the same.action is the key...there is nothing inherently in mantra...
its very difficult to have focus by other means, True it might be blind belief, but given how the mind works, sometimes, this belief will calms down the mind and work towards the mantra. Else it does all its work to try to avoid it. Other means are extremely difficult and many times mind can overcome those means and end up futile.
The more you play with mind, the more you understand its power. how much practice you do, how much sadhana you do, how much knowledge you have, yet mind does its play, only then we realize how mind controls us, instead of we controlling it.
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Nisarga:
it need not be mantra.. any attentive action can do the same.action is the key...there is nothing inherently in mantra... that said on a side note.. most people whoever do these chanting do it out of some blind belief rather than as a rational choice to divert the mind wandering in past/future...
all this hindsight analysis could be to rationalise it..
Agree with the first part ! Many tools to get to that point .. The real issue is there is not much literature outside of scriptures that describes/ explains or predicts the experiences once you get to that flow state and beyond..
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Ishan:True but having belief expedites the process. Logic is cumbersome and requires extra work from the brain... whatever it takes to control your mind
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Nisarga:.there is nothing inherently in mantra... that said on a side note.. most people whoever do these chanting do it out of some blind belief rather than as a rational choice to divert the mind wandering in past/future...
True but having belief expedites the process. Logic is cumbersome and requires extra work from the brain... whatever it takes to control your mind |
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Musicfan:Mind as per nature always makes us to be either in past or future, creating either sympathy or guilt for past deeds or fear for future, and most of them say 90% are repetitive. Just analyze your mind for a day, you will understand that. So the best solution is to constantly contemplating on a mantra, name or form, which will make mind to think about "now". There by mind slowly gets into our control than we getting into its control.
it need not be mantra.. any attentive action can do the same.action is the key...there is nothing inherently in mantra... that said on a side note.. most people whoever do these chanting do it out of some blind belief rather than as a rational choice to divert the mind wandering in past/future...
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Ishan:I personally dont see too many similarities between his teachings and advaita,
True to some extent, but he tells the same concepts to westerners so that they can understand and interpret better, but the bottom line is same. One who hears to both for the matter of fact Swamy Sarvapriyananda or Eckart Tolle, one will understand the fine things how exactly same they are.
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Ishan:Was it Sarvapriyananda by any chance? He is a great guy.
No not him, but I met him too, He is one of the best I ever met in life. What a clarity of concepts and knowledge. Amazing person, I would suggest everyone to listen to his Aparokshanubhooti.. The entire series is on Youtube.
I posted his video links few times in this DB, just to tell how one should answer a question.
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Musicfan:I met on RK Mutt swamy few years back in person, his name is similar to me, but "ananda" at the end, I told to him, we both are same name wise, which I miss is Ananda part and I an in constant search for it. He like it so much that he is in constant touch with me to check where I am.
First question he asks me during communication is "How Maya is treating you, how you are treating it"
Haha, I guess a typical advaitin discussion would definitely incorporate 'maya' in every sentence. Was it Sarvapriyananda by any chance? He is a great guy. Anyone wanting to know more about advaita must watch his youtube videos. He is an excellent orator and explains advaitha beautifully. He frequently visits US as well. |
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Musicfan:
You know what, its very surprising that he matches what Adi Shankara told. I have heard the audio of "Power of Now".
In Summary two critical things he says, Live in the presence and accept the situation..
This is very simple as he says, but this is exactly our scriptures say. He westernized the concept and says it. He takes reference of Vivekananda, Budha, Gita, Ramana and other Indian references
He spent quite a bit of time in India. He read, contemplated and interpreted his knowledge in his own way and helping many people. I personally dont see too many similarities between his teachings and advaita, but his constant emphasis on 'present' completely diminishes the importance given by our mind to past and future. This is more similar to Gita where Krishna says what was done done, what future holds for you is not in your full control, so just focus on the present and leave everything to me.
As you said in that post, most of our worries are about either the past or the future. This creates stress leading to all kinds of problems. Gita, Eckhart or Japa - the goal is the same I guess at practical level. |
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Anand_n:! Never felt the need to look beyond ..
Meeru milestone gurinchi adigaru kadaa, this is the real milestone. The quest will create restless in mind, some times depression, frustation, when all these stop and mind stops wandering, that is the biggest milestone in seeking.
Anand_n: interpret and understand experiences
Yes, we are in the same page here, I too said this in one of my earlier post. Connecting dots and understanding the experiences is itself a big deal. This shows how we are progressing, again like the checks.
Anand_n:May our journeys continue to be fruitful
I met on RK Mutt swamy few years back in person, his name is similar to me, but "ananda" at the end, I told to him, we both are same name wise, which I miss is Ananda part and I an in constant search for it. He like it so much that he is in constant touch with me to check where I am.
First question he asks me during communication is "How Maya is treating you, how you are treating it"
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Tilak:discourage anyone who wants to start small with self-initiation
Discourage pakkana pettandi, I will always recommend and tell the importance of Guru, not just for Mantra, but in day to day life.
If you have seen any of my posts, or discussion, I have given the utmost importance to Guru. People think Guru has to be in Form, I never had any Guru in Form, but I feel we have to be really blessed to find a Guru in form.
Most of the interactions happen formless. the carrier might be a form, but the happening reason will be due to formless Guru.
Tilak:Ala eppudaina chadavocha? Heard it is read only when someone in family becomes history!
Nannu evaro few years back adigaru, Bhagavad Gita mamoolappudu chadavachaa ani,, thats how we are misinformed. See the difference in you after reading Garuda Puranam,
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Musicfan:Settled to Adwaita Philosophy and follow teachings of Adi Shankara, Ramakrishna and Ramana Maharshi. Atleast now the wandering here and there stopped.
Nice ! I have been fixed on Gauri-Shiva as the guru within and out for the longest ! Never felt the need to look beyond .. all philosophy reading, discussion etc has been to connect the dots, interpret and understand experiences
May our journeys continue to be fruitful
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Quite bit of great information in this thread. Been following for last few days..
8th or 9th lo vunnapudu there was a teacher who thought us about meditation.. several of these posts remind me of what he used to say.. the use of mantras.. the repetition of a chant to attain deep state of meditation..I also remember he told each one of us our chant secretively and told to keep it ourself.. chala kalam gurthundedi.. I have been struggling to remember for past 3 days gurthu ravataledhu.. it was a small sentence
chala effective ga anipinchedi .. I remember it used to make me feel a lot better. but I never followed thru after that .. now this thread brings back memories |
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Musicfan:there is a lot of misconception that Just chanting Mantra will liberate us. Guru Can liberate us by giving mantra, but in reality thats not true..
Agreed. I will always look up a good guru. Only thing is, considering the era we live in, I would never discourage anyone who wants to start small with self-initiation.
Musicfan:Garuda Puranam chadavandi
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Tilak:Annai, Is there 1 sastram that mentions all these quantums of punyam/papam?
Garuda Puranam chadavandi
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Tilak:I gave stars to the second post. Do you see why the first statement is incomplete and negative?
Tilak ji I never ruled out the impact of Mantra. What I said was in a different context. there is a lot of misconception that Just chanting Mantra will liberate us. Guru Can liberate us by giving mantra, but in reality thats not true..
Japa done with intensity has its own benefits, Which I have experienced as well.
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Musicfan:No mantra can liberate you, if that is the case if you chant 1 crore times and you are liberated then everyone one of us would have been liberated already, it doesnt work that way.
Musicfan:There will be use, eventually those will go away, the more issues we have, the more chanting will help
I gave stars to the second post. Do you see why the first statement is incomplete and negative?
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Mcdonald:kullu dwesham kutantram chetta chwdaram pettukuni ee mantralu chadivina no use.
Esp db members
Neeku baagupade time vachinattundoy .. ee thread lo ki vachela chesindi nee buddhi .. enjoy ..
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Nanigadu:Gayathri Manthram
Sri Vidhya Manthram
Ayyappa Swamy Saranam
Anajaneya Swamy Sthothram
Brihaspathi Manthram
Rama Raksha Sthothram
See .. thats the reason for this thread! Never knew about Brihaspathi Mantram!
Btw .. caste is totally not required .. if you see this thread .. more people are not born in brahmin families and yet have achieved greater spiritual heights!
Cinejeevi:As far as chanting vedic mantras 1) by brahmin - if he does not follow his dharma like doing Sandhya vandanam etc., but chants all mantras as per swaram still he attains papam ONLY a) for not doing sandhya b) doing all such vaidik kratus without doing sandhya. 2) for others - these mantras and kratus despite whatever best one can do, always attain some form of doshams. To avoid or get rid of such doshams as remedy one has to do Gayatri rather extra Gayatri japam. Hope you got the answer.
Annai, Is there 1 sastram that mentions all these quantums of punyam/papam?
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Nanigadu:vanni chaduvuthanu, BTB nenu Brahmin ni kaadhu
1 - dont let what "branding" others do to you.. impact your values, methodologies.. u r answerable/justifiable to none in the DB..
2 - if you are on the path of seeking the truth, you are already an "twice born brahmin" ( not a branding by me - this is per the definition .) by ur karma...
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Musicfan:
Annai, In General..Stop Comparing with others in each n every aspect.
Start Competing with yourselves...there is no better competitor than yourself..the inner you..
Comparing in every thing, from u r now versus, 5 years back, 10 years back....
will have peace n happiness...n whatelse u wanttttt....
i we start comparing ourselves with others...there is no end to it......
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Nanigadu:
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Musicfan:
need your help in identifying raagaas of some film songs
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Mcdonald:Lopala antha kullu dwesham kutantram chetta chwdaram pettukuni ee mantralu chadivina no use.
There will be use, eventually those will go away, the more issues we have, the more chanting will help
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Nanigadu:ipptiki rendu moodu sarlu nannu branding chesaru Db lo
You are right, ee DB lo branding chala easy gaa chestaru,,
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Anand_n:Asking cos my journey has been totally intuitive - finding answers from sources expected and unexpected
I guess most of the seekers will have similar situation. The quest will give the sources those are the experiences will keep you focused and continue.
Anand_n:Interesting do you follow a certain path /teachings of a guru/acharya?
Settled to Adwaita Philosophy and follow teachings of Adi Shankara, Ramakrishna and Ramana Maharshi. Atleast now the wandering here and there stopped.
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Musicfan:anta bagane undi kani aa last line was like not required
dhaniko reason vundhi
ipptiki rendu moodu sarlu nannu branding chesaru Db lo
nothing wrong in that though
aa manthrala list choosaka, inka fix aipotharu ani |
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Guriginja:
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Nanigadu:
anta bagane undi kani aa last line was like not required
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Mcdonald:
Manthralu help you in the path of attaining mukti. This has to be accompanied by a lot of things. If anything could be achieved by just chanting mantras - India would have been somewhere else |
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damn...
even cinejeevi annayi kuda mod ayipoyada...
ee admin unnade...yeppudnunchooooo adugutunna ...ayina nak matram ivvadu??
senior most Dbr ni anna respect illo (Chandra babu style lo)
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Ishan:I think every person in spiritual pursuit must read Eckhart Tolle's 'Power of Now'.
You know what, its very surprising that he matches what Adi Shankara told. I have heard the audio of "Power of Now".
In Summary two critical things he says, Live in the presence and accept the situation..
This is very simple as he says, but this is exactly our scriptures say. He westernized the concept and says it. He takes reference of Vivekananda, Budha, Gita, Ramana and other Indian references
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Lopala antha kullu dwesham kutantram chetta chwdaram pettukuni ee mantralu chadivina no use.
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Manthraalaki sinthakaayalu raalavu ani oooorkine analedu peddalu..
more than any manthraas..
Mind n Heart has to be Pure, n in this day n age...i don't think there is any one who can fit into it...
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Nanigadu:
Gayathri Manthram
Sri Vidhya Manthram
Ayyappa Swamy Saranam
Anajaneya Swamy Sthothram
Brihaspathi Manthram
Rama Raksha Sthothram
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Musicfan:
No mantra can liberate you, if that is the case if you chant 1 crore times and you are liberated then everyone one of us would have been liberated already, it doesnt work that way.
Same with chanting vishnu sahasranamam or some stotras, most of them reveal the phalasruti, so some has their own limitations can help only to certain level.
Spiritual experts always take a classic example of rope and snake. No matter how many times you do the japa that this is rope not a snake, when you see a rope you still feel it a snake. So whats the use of Japa then??
This instant instinct of thought that this is snake will be eradicated by constant thought thru Japa, the wisdom of that this is not snake it is roke sees thru in to your mind and then you know longer think that is snake.
Same way constant japa of any mantra/namam/stotram will cleanse your mind, purify the mind, and open the wisdom to capture the Jnana that reveals the truth about one self.
There are many paths to get the Jnana, whether its thru karma, or Bhakti thru Japa or some other means. But ultimately how only Jnana can make us realize about rope vs snake, all these means help us to get there. but they cannot give us the liberation by knowing I am not the body, mind, soul I am the Supreme self ( as per advaita ) opens up and you realize and get liberated.
Mind as per nature always makes us to be either in past or future, creating either sympathy or guilt for past deeds or fear for future, and most of them say 90% are repetitive. Just analyze your mind for a day, you will understand that. So the best solution is to constantly contemplating on a mantra, name or form, which will make mind to think about "now". There by mind slowly gets into our control than we getting into its control.
Its been a while since I have seen a quality post in this DB. Good one, take my 5 stars.
On the side note, I think every person in spiritual pursuit must read Eckhart Tolle's 'Power of Now'. This guy is good. He is especially suited to atheistic spiritual pursuants. |
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inthaki eti thelcharu - chaalaa peddha thread - moodu mukkallo cheppandi
BTB nenu Degree varaku gudi metlu only prasadam and intlo valla force tho ekkanu
aa tharvatha first year lo Sabarimalai kellanu, that actually changed me a bit
later final year appudu, life after Degree to theleeka, started going to Anjaneya Swamy (Hanuman anatam endhuko istham vundadhu) gudi Chikkadpally lo elley vadini daily twice - aayana edho marpu tecchadu naalo - tharvtha 11 days 11 pradakshinalu, 108 days 108 pradakshinalu ilaa konasaagindhi, this continued until PG
Job lo cheraaka, Jubiliee Hills Peddhamma gudikellatam modhalettanu, sudden gaa one day anipinchi, started doing vupavasam on Friday from sunrise to sunset - water kuda thagey vadini kaadhu, did it for next five years, impossible anukunnnavanni possible ayyayi, just by keeping faith in ammavaru
nenu daily oka sari pooja chestha, either morning or evening, appudu chadivey manthralu
Gayathri Manthram
Sri Vidhya Manthram
Ayyappa Swamy Saranam
Anajaneya Swamy Sthothram
Brihaspathi Manthram
Rama Raksha Sthothram
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Musicfan:
Interesting do you follow a certain path /teachings of a guru/acharya?
Asking cos my journey has been totally intuitive - finding answers from sources expected and unexpected
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Tilak:Thank you, annai. Makes sense to me. Every Vivekananda needs a Ramakrishna Paramahamsa!
you are talking two different things..
But in olden days not every mantra is given/initiated to everyone as the mantra should fit our characters. If it doesnt, then there is no use as they say.
For mantra, the more real reason to be initiated by Guru, is that Guru who used to observe the student, disciple knows which mantra suits that student. They used to initiate the mantra so that they can fight the rest of the life just with the help of that mantra.
However these days people think Scriptures have given undue advantage to gurus, who are misusing it. Thats never the case. Since our education system is changed, people get whatever they want which shouldnt be the case.
Is there a mantra in "Mara" no, the guru knows how to make it to disciple.
However we misinterpret everything these days which we think we have a great logic and intellect, and some statements show how shallow we are..
More to come..
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Tilak:Thats the entire game kada ..
Yes it is, but how it unfolds is something one has to experience. any experience is an experience, there is no good or bad, right or wrong. All in the game,
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Anand_n:Any spiritual milestones/ experiences you feel comfortable sharing ?
when destiny is in the focus, the milestones doesn't really come into picture, or attract our attention anymore.
There are so many experiences, in this path sometimes we dont have the capability to decode the experiences, it takes a while to understand what happened, why it happened, how things are linked at a higher level, Amazing to witness them.
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Musicfan Cinejeevi :
Any spiritual milestones/ experiences you feel comfortable sharing ?
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Cinejeevi:The reason to have a initiation is because, the person has already chanted it in proper way for many years/months or effectively, thus carrying the mantra balam/sakhti which gets transferred during the initiation. That way the person who takes the mantra has that backup to start with rather than starting from zero. Remember "pooranmada poorna midam"... This is true for any mantra. However if one finds no guru but is serious and/or severely influenced towards the devotional path then can take Sri adi Sankara as guru and start chanting. But getting it from someone who is in that path benefits a lot.
Thank you, annai. Makes sense to me. Every Vivekananda needs a Ramakrishna Paramahamsa!
Cinejeevi:remember despite being declaring himself as god (Krishna) and as an avatara himself (Rama) still needed Guru or showed to the world the importance of Guru.
Absolutely. A good guru keeps one grounded, focused etc ..
Musicfan:Same way constant japa of any mantra/namam/stotram will cleanse your mind, purify the mind, and open the wisdom to capture the Jnana that reveals the truth about one self.
I agree ..
Musicfan:There by mind slowly gets into our control than we getting into its control.
Thats the entire game kada ..
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Tilak Ji
No mantra can liberate you, if that is the case if you chant 1 crore times and you are liberated then everyone one of us would have been liberated already, it doesnt work that way.
Same with chanting vishnu sahasranamam or some stotras, most of them reveal the phalasruti, so some has their own limitations can help only to certain level.
Spiritual experts always take a classic example of rope and snake. No matter how many times you do the japa that this is rope not a snake, when you see a rope you still feel it a snake. So whats the use of Japa then??
This instant instinct of thought that this is snake will be eradicated by constant thought thru Japa, the wisdom of that this is not snake it is roke sees thru in to your mind and then you know longer think that is snake.
Same way constant japa of any mantra/namam/stotram will cleanse your mind, purify the mind, and open the wisdom to capture the Jnana that reveals the truth about one self.
There are many paths to get the Jnana, whether its thru karma, or Bhakti thru Japa or some other means. But ultimately how only Jnana can make us realize about rope vs snake, all these means help us to get there. but they cannot give us the liberation by knowing I am not the body, mind, soul I am the Supreme self ( as per advaita ) opens up and you realize and get liberated.
Mind as per nature always makes us to be either in past or future, creating either sympathy or guilt for past deeds or fear for future, and most of them say 90% are repetitive. Just analyze your mind for a day, you will understand that. So the best solution is to constantly contemplating on a mantra, name or form, which will make mind to think about "now". There by mind slowly gets into our control than we getting into its control.
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thread clean ayyindaa, post count is not matching..
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Tilak - Om Namah Sivaya is Panchakshari Mantra .. right? Do we need "initiation" from a Guru to chant it? "Rama" namam is a mantram or not? We have seen countless individuals transformed by those two alphabets!
The reason to have a initiation is because, the person has already chanted it in proper way for many years/months or effectively, thus carrying the mantra balam/sakhti which gets transferred during the initiation. That way the person who takes the mantra has that backup to start with rather than starting from zero. Remember "pooranmada poorna midam"... This is true for any mantra. However if one finds no guru but is serious and/or severely influenced towards the devotional path then can take Sri adi Sankara as guru and start chanting. But getting it from someone who is in that path benefits a lot.
remember despite being declaring himself as god (Krishna) and as an avatara himself (Rama) still needed Guru or showed to the world the importance of Guru.
critic - Knowledge koraku asking ..if so...a non brahmin who is a nonvegeterian, if chants with a perfect swarm, then is it okay to chant during rudrabhishekam? Also one more question... as Rama and Krishna are kshatriyas, so they eat meat kaada?
I answered second part somewhere in the thread about Rama. He did all vedic stuff himself during aranyavasam while following his Dharma. absolutely fine. That was that yuga dharma. Unless someone is in the duty of protection meat in this Yuga is banned per dharma. - (discussion on this topic separately but for now I stick to this line)
As far as chanting vedic mantras 1) by brahmin - if he does not follow his dharma like doing Sandhya vandanam etc., but chants all mantras as per swaram still he attains papam ONLY a) for not doing sandhya b) doing all such vaidik kratus without doing sandhya. 2) for others - these mantras and kratus despite whatever best one can do, always attain some form of doshams. To avoid or get rid of such doshams as remedy one has to do Gayatri rather extra Gayatri japam. Hope you got the answer.
Lastly, it is easy for non brahmin varnas (remember Kshatriyas and Vysyas are supposed to do sandhya and follow that and if NOT no use) to get into the moksha path easily versus Brahmin varna. That is why getting birth in Brahmin varna may be punya per Sastra but toughest to live like a Brahmin and is pronoe to attract/attain more papam.
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