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     Onlytruth Legend Username: Onlytruth Post Number: 60866 Registered: 01-2007 Posted From: 193.200.150.152 Rating: N/A |
ee kaliyugam lo caste system anedhi oka well structured system based on Vrutthi/KulaVrutthi ; ye kulasthudhu aka ye vrutthi vadu lekapoyinaa system OR society nadavadhu; at the same time NOT all are equal in terms of money,stature,hardwork,respect; aa inequality ye bad....Pooja ki vache pantulu gaari daggara nunchi, Cheppulu kutte maadiga vadi daaka( including raitu kutumbaalu)andariki income levels same undetttu unte PERFECT ga undedhi existing system chusaara pantulu garu,maadiga vaadu ani automatic ga vachesindhi naa post lo type jesthunte...........daridrapu mentality adhe agravarnala dhi | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14852 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
if there was a freewill to choose profession,who would take up the jobs that are considered low? | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1833 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: |
ok...Im going out now....it feels good kaabatti caste system ni tittukuntaa antey mee istam....but then it is better to understand life and humans......rather than getting lost in silly nonsense of equality, genes, discrimination by some and whatever...... | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14851 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
caste system is also present in dogs. not every dog is selected for breeding. only selected set of dogs can get a job in k9.when animals can have caste system humans can also hav | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1832 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: N/A |
BTW, before 2004 some kammas were gaga about Genes and how they are pretty much like Jews and whatever.....if TDP doesn't come to power in 2014 and some one like NTR doesn't show up soon..........they have a place reserved for them by the side of brahmins in the state.....the very same brahmins who thought of superior genes and now excelling their genes in toiling at sulabh comlexes...... situation/conditions change in the nature/world ni batti gene pools mix avutaayi and gene strengths maarutuntaayi.....Its the nature that powers the changes in gene pool....I doubt its the other way round...... Gene pools change avutunnaayi kaabatti nature ni maarcheddaam anukune vaallani "Liberals" anochchaa..........hehehehe....... | ||
| Onlytruth Legend Username: Onlytruth Post Number: 60865 Registered: 01-2007 Posted From: 193.200.150.152 Rating: |
I agree ee reddy,kapu,kamma blah blah sudrulanthaa okappudu i.e konni yugala kritam lowest caste forms....Brahmins,Kshatriyas tappa cheppukodaniki ye charitraa leni sudrulu aa time lo......They evolved over the period of centuires....by next few centuries current SC STs will also evolve. | ||
| Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 873 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.20.253 Rating: N/A |
naaku oka point eppudu striking gaa anipistadi ilanti disco jariginappudu. ee db lo vunde 30 people ki koooda any issue meeda oke stand undadu. alaaatidi olden days lo kothi nunchi vachina manushulaki sangam/caste system ane concept create chesi daaaniki adhere ayyelaa cheyyatam lo appudu unna leaders entha kastapaddaro anipistadi. | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3108 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Asalu oka person oka profession follow avvali, inkoti follow avvakoodadu antene discrimination. Inka following the system without discriminating enti? leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7021 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: |
 Is that what you inferred from my post ? To each their own perspective and world view  aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 872 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.20.253 Rating: N/A |
Annai #3 evaru leru anukuntaa ee db lo. vunte cheppandi. #2 percentage chala ekkuva anukuntunna. nenu ide category. #1 koooda baane unnar. adi sangathi. | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1831 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: N/A |
Elca, caste system support ledu thokka ledu......anni systems anthey ani cheptunnaa........they will be exploited and they crumble on their own weight......it looks more natural than others...... | ||
| Desparado Comedian Username: Desparado Post Number: 1090 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 76.4.133.200 Rating: N/A |
I really miss Guluji in this thread ....red font lo ala outstanding posts vesi untey bagundeydhi | ||
| Kalikaalam Side Hero Username: Kalikaalam Post Number: 3087 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 171.161.160.10 Rating: N/A |
Motham anni posts chadavaledu9100s daati poyaayi kaabatti) Asalu puraanaala kalam naati ideas tho discussion anavasram anukonta.. ippudu manam yetlaa vunnaamo? Kulam yelaa avsaram avuthondo..chusukonte better. Puranaalu lo chaala conflicts vuntaayi."Brahma gnaanam vunna vaade Brahmanudu" ani oka chotha chebithe.."Brahma thala lo nunchi brahmananu lu putaaru, Bhujaala lo nunchi Khathriyulu putaaru.." antu yevovo inkoka chota chebuthaaru. "Female ki swathanthryam ledu' ani oka rishi chebuthaadu'Stree ni gouravinchanlsinde" ani ikoka rushi chebuthaadu.Indilo..yedi nijam..yedi abadham ani brrlau badhalu kottukoni time wast echesukovadma anavasaram anukonta.. Saathvika gunaalu majority Brahmins lonu levu, Rajasika gunaalu Rajus lonu levu.. Oka rakam ga cheppalante appatlo adhamulu ani cheppabadina sudhrula domination ivvaala vundi. aa rojullo cheppabadani kotha kulaalu chaalaa vachinaayi.. So, presnt situation ni batti..follow avvadam better anukontunnaa.. | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1830 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: |
Anand, >>>>>>> Meeru ichina Lion example - there is a huge difference in a Lion in the forest and a lion in cage in a circus restricted to an 8 by 8 cage - the strength and build will be very different... If a set of lions only lived in the circus environment - their circus performance/obedience skills take precedence and only the docile lions will be used for breeding ...A few generations down the line - there will be a marked difference between forest bred lions and circus bred lions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you mean to say caste system is best way to make everyone excel at the thing they do......:-) >>> What do you think is the cause of that inequality ? Are the lions inequal because of their hereditary trades or are they in different trades cos they were born inequal ? Just presenting another angle to look at eugenics face of caste system .. >>>>>>>>>>>>> now who can answer which of those first lions were the chosen ones and why?.....the circus has to go on :-)......and thats how the system is antunnaa..... ippudu andariki equal chance ani cheppi, every year leave the old lions and get new ones to perform antey circus owner oppukuntaadaa??? and no lion wud be gud enough to perform either in the cage or in the forest.........if we want to implement our forced justice on everything......none of the lions will be gud for anything..... eppudo cycle change avutundi........caged lions might get to go...and some forest lions might get into the cage.....but then the circus has to go on.... BTW, I don't bother too much about genes and genetics....it is just a side effect of the nature's way of things........don't miss the forest looking for the trees...... | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3083 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38 Rating: N/A |
There are two caveats in this example. First, yes, physical characteristics are definitely inheritable in the way you described (through epigenetics) and hence this is applicable to animals. But in humans we are talking about Psychological traits. There are no solid evidences that the law of acquired inheritance of Lamarck is applicable to human complex emotions. Because the complex emotions of humans are affected more by the immediate environment than the genes. Second, even if it is true, it takes thousands and thousands of years for such environmental affects get imprinted in the genotype of the population. That is how new species are created. Hence, it might not be applicable to caste inequalities. ...and I am never gonna dance again...guilty feet I have got no rhythm...though its easy to pretend...I know you are not a fool...I should've known better than to cheat a friend...wasted chance that I'been given...so I am never gonna dance again...the way I danced with you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQtlrBziyzI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zALiyJ02k_Y | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14847 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
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| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 19779 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.100.28.147 Rating: N/A |
someone doin prostitution by choice....someone doin prostitution cause someones born into such caste ki difference ledha ...nee thalakai.... chinappudu dd8 lo oka cinema chusa....kalayana mandapam ani...heroine born into some casette traditionally meant to entertain dudes...falls in love with shobhan babu...plan to marry...finally shobhan babu ditches her cause of her caste..and she ends up a dancer entertaining dudes...bomma nannu touch chesindhi.... fck that caste system which didnt let that heroine to be with shobhan babu fck that caste system that pushed the heroine into such circumstances where she had to act like a whore for the rest of her life against her wish fck that caste system that made shobhan babu shy away from marrying that girl n succumb to the peer pressures n marry someone from his caste... nuvvu enni sollu anna cheppu....it will not hold water...i would like to listen from a dalit who cleans shxt for a living cause it came with his caste to come n tell me caste system did good for him.....rajputanas never wanted to relinquish the king system n mix with the republic desham...why antey they were enjoying privileges....similarly who ever supports caste system belong to upper class in a society...its not a rocket science....I wouls love to listen to an sc or st or a dalits pov on this subject...they are the ones who had to deal with shxt in the past.....adhi bottom line | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2150 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
Thanks Sir/Madam ... nenu mee anta baaga explain cheyyaleka ... senseless analogy anna .. daniki ayana sound/noise pollution ani poyaru ... btw: meeku already oka single star padindi ... :P hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2148 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
mama ... idi virtual world ye kadananu ... kani ikkadaki vache janam virtual kaadu ... real ... ippati daka nenu e religion ki sambandhinchina disco lo ki raledu ... muslims ni turaka ani ekkiristunte, inko mod vachi provocate chestunte first time varincha ninna ... ivvala ee thread lo initiator post chuste gunde gubhel mandi .. .serious gaa chala bhayamesindi ... emiti inta darunam gaa alochistunnara janam ... mana chuttu manato matlade janam ... vere evaru cheppina nenu peddaga pattinchukune vadini kaadu ... enno books chadivaru, ento knowledge undi ani toti dbers cheta appreciate cheyinchukune janam veellantaa ... intalaa chadastam(chandasam appropriate emo) kudagattukuni unnaru ante vammo ... bhayam ga ne undi nijam gaa ... hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7020 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: |
Some food for thought People are not created equal - very true. But not all inequality is a random genetic accident. When patterns of inequality in certain populations emerge you have to ask why the genepools became disparate in silos. Restrictions cause traits to be concentrated in populations and influence genepools Meeru ichina Lion example - there is a huge difference in a Lion in the forest and a lion in cage in a circus restricted to an 8 by 8 cage - the strength and build will be very different... If a set of lions only lived in the circus environment - their circus performance/obedience skills take precedence and only the docile lions will be used for breeding ...A few generations down the line - there will be a marked difference between forest bred lions and circus bred lions. What do you think is the cause of that inequality ? Are the lions inequal because of their hereditary trades or are they in different trades cos they were born inequal ? Just presenting another angle to look at eugenics face of caste system .. aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3164 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 68.119.69.49 Rating: N/A |
I intended to post the same, but then there were already too many arguments in different directions. whatever be the reason behind the origins of caste system, it served a purpose, and was accepted albeit the powerful using the system to their own advantage. the issue we see here is three kinds 1)people who think caste system was crude and is evil 2)people who think caste system was reasonable for those days, and it has been misused 3)people who think caste system is the best practice, and there was/is no abuse carried out using it. malli ee three groups lo kooda disagreements unnayi with in themselves. its hard to post against each argument. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1829 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: |
sare one last post from me........ >>>>>> .lekapothey prostitutes ki kooda kulam petti sacharu do na ko gallu caste system lo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nee thokkalo dialogulu nuvvu......observe cheyyaalsindentantey, caste systems unnaa lekapoyinaa........prathi society lonu prostitutes untaaru......downtrodden people untaaru.........do na ko gaallu untaaru..........do you think throwing away caste system or blaming all ills on it gives you a wonderful disney world out there? All the others, you say the problem with caste system is it discriminates........give me one system that doesn't discriminate......that does not give undue advantage to some over others.........why not go for a world where all kids irrespective of where they are born, gets the exact same benefits/conditions?....Is it even possible?...........how did the russian socialism work out? human systems lo kaadu, at least nature lo choopinchandi......there ain't no equality and fairness in everything and anything out there......only law of nature....... Discrimination, inequality and top/bottom is the reality/nature..........whether you like it or not, thats the truth....the bottom should feed the top..............earlier may be brahmins/kings were having fun....today politicians/wealthy are having fun...tomorrow it might be some one else........but that is how the systems are..... may be caste system is fuckxed up or it is a horrible system created by evil men.......it is pretty much dead or it will die soon.......that doesn't matter to me.........but one thing is it at least realizes that people are different and nature does not have perfect straight lines/traingles in it..... and I don't have a lot of energy to explain my point of view answering all trivia.......like engineer koduku doctor avvakoodadaa??? em enduku?......ee type questions adigemundu, first take yourself out of all the categories and start thinking about things........yesterday's world is full of crap, why is today's world having so many problems ani?....... BTW, I totally agree with the idea that powerful/vested interests wud have taken the best advantage of caste system........ ppl suck... | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 13004 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
DBs are for discussion .. whats wrong if people want to live without discriminating any other person in any way but following a system which they think is good .. I do not think anyone here said .. they want to "oppress" or "exploit" any other person in the garb of caste .. if you care to show me any such post .. I will be enlightened as well along with you ..
humans are almost the same from long time .. we will be the same, mostly, in future as well .. ika nenu annadi aithe .. deeni gurinchi ..
source - Wiki .. "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3162 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 68.119.69.49 Rating: N/A |
dont take these posts seriously, most of them reactionary. most people tend to argue with emotion, take it easy the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2142 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
vere valla gurinchi akkada matladochu ... aa originality manchi/chedulu gurinchi nenu matladaledu ... aa originality origins ki chebtunna vakra bhashyam gurinchi matladutunnaa ... I can quote a dozen statements from this thread which can be attributed to "chandasavadam" ... whatever it is ... kallu teruchukunnai ee roju matram ... reservations/laws ivemi mana desam lo ni janalni anuvantaina marchaledu ... eppatiki mararu ... mana aakaaraalu/alavatlu emanna marayi kani mind set e matram maraledu ... we are still in the same old shit hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3078 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234 Rating: N/A |
@kamal and M_S - yeah I know, I was just joking. In fact I liked the way he described the transformation of casteism in different ages in his first post. Caste touches many raw nerves in this DB. ...and I am never gonna dance again...guilty feet I have got no rhythm...though its easy to pretend...I know you are not a fool...I should've known better than to cheat a friend...wasted chance that I'been given...so I am never gonna dance again...the way I danced with you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQtlrBziyzI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zALiyJ02k_Y | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3107 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
reservations were supposed to be a fix to the caste discrimination. But what they ended up doing is to give a new reason to discriminate. Of course 10yrs lo teesesthe ee situation undedi kademo. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 13003 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
mastaru .. taravata reply chesta .. deliverables unnayi .. lekapothe udhyogam pothundi ..  "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 869 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.20.253 Rating: N/A |
if you see it as a problem, it is problem. if u dont see it as problem, it is not a problem. It depends on how society sees it. The problem with you guys is you use 21st century brain and conditions to analyze society at olden times. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3161 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 68.119.69.49 Rating: N/A |
chichu emi ledhu annai, vjavasi did not post anything against anybody, and if you look at the subject on the thread, he clearly stated its his opinion. generalized statements emi ivvaledhu. everytime this topic comes up, few tempers get flared. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3106 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
bump leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 13002 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
chichu endi .. manchi post eshindu gaa .. naa work 3 hours delayed due to this sollu disco ..  "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 13001 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
vaarini .. ide saami problem .. 'original' ga pettina system manchide ani argue cheste ... chandasavaadulu aipotaara? kaani caste basis meeda vere vaadini discriminate cheyyadam, reservations ani reverse discrimination cheste .. abhyudaya bhaavalu unna vaallu aipotaara .. wah re wah .. indaka kooda nannu chandasavadi annav .. care to tell me why .. show me a post from my side .. where I said .. I will use this caste to discriminate others? ekkadaina annana alaa? then how come can u call people who support a system to be orthodox .. not that I have a problem with the term or anything .. but aren't u using toooo much of liberty for urself to judge others? "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3077 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38 Rating: N/A |
Chicchu petti malla kanavadakunda vothava annai... ...and I am never gonna dance again...guilty feet I have got no rhythm...though its easy to pretend...I know you are not a fool...I should've known better than to cheat a friend...wasted chance that I'been given...so I am never gonna dance again...the way I danced with you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQtlrBziyzI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zALiyJ02k_Y | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3160 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 68.119.69.49 Rating: N/A |
who is the people here, kings are not elected right. the people who like to be seen as kings are the kings itself. a barber willing to become a fisherman accept cheyaru ante, he is willing to become a fisherman, he can learn fishing, it does not matter whether he takes it up as a profession. why the need to deliberately stop them from learning a trade?
i very well understand this, but it does not allow abusing the system. if a fisherman respecting the existing system choses to be a fisherman, there is no issue, it is in the cases where one aspires to chose something that he is not supposed to learn. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 19778 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 206.208.231.61 Rating: N/A |
chulakana emundhi reservation lekapoina kooda caste angle petti kindal chestharu psycho gallu....point enti antey at that point of time it was very much essential to bring them into society n reservations was a good choice but then saying that they should have stopped it after 25 years by making sure everyone got benefited from the program...the thought process should have been to educate and provide employment to underprivileged and then they will take responsibility of educating their kids from young so that they dont need reservations...but execution lo dhebba padindhi...inga rest it was hijacked by politicians... | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3105 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Isn't that the problem. The acceptance of a person is being determined by his caste, but not by his ability. How is that good? Ikkada acceptance is based on the caste system. Caste system did not come into being on the basis of acceptance. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 868 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.20.253 Rating: N/A |
If all other people accept him, yes he can be a king and rule like other kings. Here the problem is acceptance. In those days, if sudra becomes a king, what will other caste do? To explain things better, think of a situation where a mangali caste guy interested in fishing and wants to be a fisherman. Do you think he would be accepted? NO. If other people do not accept him as a king, it is not good for him or the society.
yes. It surely does. But it is coming over centuries and people strongly believed in the system. To proceed further, since Hinduism believes in incarnation, a person who is king now can take birth in lower castes in next life. So whatever benifits he enjoyed in this life, he will suffer the same in the next life. | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3104 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
I see it the other way. Reservations are 99% economic incentives. Ekkada dignity? ippatiki kooda reservation candidate ni reservation candidate ani chulakana cheyara? leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Netra Moderator Username: Netra Post Number: 13885 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
soosi enjoy seyyi (Message edited by netra on March 31, 2010) YSR AMAR RAHE | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2140 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
vammo chandasavadam naranarana patukupoina candidates unnaru ikkada ... tappu ledu OT and CO chesedanilo ... chala porabaddanu ippati daka ... chaduvekkuvayinaa ide problem anukunta janalato hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 19775 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 206.208.231.61 Rating: |
Reservation is not a bad thing...they are everywhere in the world.... US screwed natives and now natives enjoy special privileges for atroities done to them in past.... even in auzz there are so many reservations for aborigins to come and mix in the society...its like luring them to civilization...and in desham its luring them to dignity...which is through education mostly.... But in india the reservation thing was abused...i implemented properly the results could have been achieved in the first 25 years itself and they would have ended it....but they abused it and now with so much population n less oppurtunities its chaotic.... reservations bought dignity to lower classes....got to accept it....lekapothey prostitutes ki kooda kulam petti sacharu do na ko gallu caste system lo | ||
| Netra Moderator Username: Netra Post Number: 13884 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
bokkalo disco.. etanna undhaa.. genes anta genius anta.. brahmins ki sudrulu runapadaala anta.. thotakoora katta... sinnanayana M.. endhendho sebuthaare inte.. YSR AMAR RAHE | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3158 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 68.119.69.49 Rating: N/A |
so a sudra who is stronger than kshatriya is a menace to the society antaaru? why not he be the king if he is stronger than the king. does it not appear that people in power have used caste as way to protect their position?
exactly my contention, caste system was used for power based politics, and will always be used. there has been instances where birth was a criteria for belonging to the caste, but people for power have hijacked it. tatva sagaram lo untundhi, yatha kancanatam yati kamsyam rasa-vidhanatah tatha diksa-vidhanena dvijatvam jayate nrnam "Just as bell-metal is transformed into gold by alchemy, a common man is transformed into a twice-born brahmana by diksa from a bona-fide preceptor." So, by diksa-samskara a person who was not born in a brahmana family, but who exhibits brahminical qualities, may become a twice-born. Mahabaratham lo yudhishtarudu antaru, Vana Parva anukunta sudre tu yad bhavel-laksma dvije tac ca na vidyate na vai sudro bhavec chudro brahmano na ca brahmanah If such symptoms are found in a sudra, he should never be called a sudra, just as a brahmana is not a brahmana if he lacks these charactaristics. Lord siva conversation with uma devi in mahabaratham - sthito brahmana-dharmena brahmanyam upajivati ksatriyo vatha vaisyo va brahma-bhuyah sa gacchati ebhis tu karmabhir devi subhair acaritais tatha sudro brahmanatam yati vaisyah ksatriyatam vrajet etaih karma-phalair devi suddhatma vijitendriyah sudro'pi dvija-vat sevya iti brahmabravit svayam sarvo'yam brahmano loke vrttena tu vidhiyate vrtte sthitas tu sudro'pi brahmanatvam niyacchati "If ksatriyas or vaisyas become situated in the behavior of brahmanas and spend their lives in the occupation of brahmanas, then such persons attain the position of brahmanas. O Goddess, by the same process, a sudra can become a brahmana and a vaisya can become a ksatriya. O Goddess, by the results of these activities and by following the agamas, then even a low-born sudra also becomes a brahmana. A person in this world is born a brahmana simply as a result of his nature. A sudra situated in the profession of a brahmana also becomes a brahmana." kamal, back to my post on fisherman to trader, it is perfectly in the realms of caste system to be able to perform the duties of a caste you are not born in. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Netra Moderator Username: Netra Post Number: 13883 Registered: 01-2008 Rating: N/A |
YSR AMAR RAHE | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14836 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
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| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3103 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
IMHO there is no positive point in reservations. I repeat We failed to differentiate between providing an opportunity to fight, and eliminating the need to fight leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14835 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
Yeah, EBC reservations ki evvaru addu cepparu..only caste based reservations matrame tappu antunna | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14834 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
Infact reservations killed meritorious students from castes that are cosnidered lower. who would aim to get 95% if they can get a seat and a govt job if they just secured 60%. | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11323 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Ni agenda needhi! Carry on! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11322 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Financial aid valla chaala mandi below poverty line lo unna vaallu chaduvukuntunnaaru! Merit basis meedha choosukunte reservation is definitely boothu kaani financial basis meedha choosukunte lot of poor students are getting benefited! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Kadapanagfan Megastar Username: Kadapanagfan Post Number: 23623 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 192.76.80.75 Rating: N/A |
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| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11321 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Annai, nenu reservations ni support cheyatam ledhu! I am only seeing a positive point in it! Caste system ni hate chesevaadu evadu reservations ni accept cheyadu! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 3985 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: |
Whatever is good for me is good for society... | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14832 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
In what way? Merit ni kill chesina reservation is pretty bad. Ambedkar tho problem ade. If you are denied writing an exam because you are of a lower caste, if reservation helps you to write that exam, they are great. anthe tappa, marks takkuva vacchina vadiki seat ivvadam in the name of encouraing them is outrageous | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 3984 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
They were just pawns in the political game of Mahabharata.. Drona had to make Arjuna the best.. Duryodhana had to make friends with Karna to counter Arjuna.. BTW.. Yadavas were ruling even at that time.. how come they became Sudras.. perhaps due to some political games.. even today Yadavas claim Kshatriya roots.. same time claim BC reservations.. thats how politics play... It is believed Kakatiyas were Sudra Fisherman caste.. later they claimed they were Kshatriyas.. today they will claim BC reservations... | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14831 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
mama..adi caste system kaadu..adi varasatvam..there is a thin line of difference. | ||
| Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 867 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.20.253 Rating: N/A |
It is not the instance of not giving respect to sudra. In caste system, everyone has some specific duty. if sudra learns the skills of kshatriya, there will be threat to the society. No person should be stronger than king in a kingdom. it is like some jobs requiring citizenship. | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3102 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: |
meeru totally different scenarios ni kalipestunnaru. Reservations aa class ki kooda manchi yemi cheyaledu. Those classes can rarely produce excellence when they don't have the need to fight and compete with others. we failed to differentiate between giving an opportunity to fight, and removing the need to fight. Raayi ni saana pedithe ne vajram ayyedi. Ikkada raayi ni saana pettakundane theesukelli kireetam lo pedutunnaru. kani kireetam lo pettinantha mathrana raayi vajram aipodu. daniki velugu radu. kireetam chethaga tayaru autundi. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Trueleader Comedian Username: Trueleader Post Number: 1957 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 216.241.170.12 Rating: N/A |
Caste system intention was also wrong......Raju koduku Raju ayithey ala, mangalivadi koduku Mangali vadu laganey vundalaaa ????........Democracy adhi ? Oldendays lo kuda.......they will not give respect to some castes kada | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3100 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Idi varaku caste gurinchi asahyinchukunte, ippudu anni free gaa dobbestadu ani asahyinchukuntunnaru. Idi varaku caste meeda chinna choopu chooste, ippudu hardwork cheyakunda vastaru ani chinna choopu. Theda adi. So reservations added to it.But only changed the basis on which ppl are discriminated. Reservations only contributed to discrimination. Inkoti, reservations unnantha kalam those sections will breed mediocrity. Edaina sadhinchali anna thapana, passion puttali ante one has to struggle for it. Aa chance lekunda chesaru vallaki. phone number rank vachina seat guarantee. inkevadu passion tho chadivedi. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11320 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
This is 100% true but if you think in lines of "Vandamandi nerasthulu thappinchukunna pharavaledhu kaani okka nidroshiki maathram siksha padadhu"- then reservations definitely did a lot of good to atleast few lower caste people even though they were largely misused! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14828 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
Caste system was structured and its intention was good. after that ppl started misusing it. just take the analogy of indian team. evadi role vadidi. evadi importance vadidi..situation prakaram imporatance changes | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11319 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
 Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3099 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Adey mastaru. Meeru sagam sentence chadivi vodileste elaga? For eg. basic education lekapothe Govt. iche facilities use chesukolemu. Sarigga traffic rules patinchalemu. And the most important thing - here we are not deciding what a person has to do for his living. He still has that freedom. Kani caste system lo the society is already deciding that based on his birth. Idi discrimination. Rendu okate ela authayi?
Who knows how many geniuses we lost because of these unnecessary restrictions on what one should do? leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11318 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
First thing, whether or not they deserved the reservation anedhi pakkana pedthet, people still hate them for their caste (Mana DB lone vaalla discussion vasthe kondharu battal chinchukuni thidthaaru vaallani), second thing- not all people because of their financial situation can complete basic education and therefore cannot use the reservations and some people convert because of the incentives offered! If people got the respect they deserved in Hinduism, very few people might have inclined towards conversions! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Bunty717 Side Hero Username: Bunty717 Post Number: 6871 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 161.185.151.155 Rating: N/A |
db lo konta mandi ee point ee follow avutunnaru anukuntaa.. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3157 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 68.119.69.49 Rating: N/A |
whatever might be the reason, was karna accepted by everyone when he was thought to be a sudra, anedhi point ikkada I am not against caste system, but blindly saying it is the best, and had not issues whatsoever antene extreme the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 13000 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
Sare .. enough of disco ... lunch chesi work undi important di .. thread unte .. evening disco chesta .. "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12999 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
hehe .. exactly ... extend the same logic of need to caste system and you will know what happened then ..
When caste system itself evolved on the basis of the "occupation" .. how will it be adhering to the caste system .. when he took up a different job??? I did not get you .. naa understanding is .. it was a system which desired to harness excellence and so made a social law saying .. a person born in a particular family will be made to attain excellence in that profession .. having said that .. to satiate the desire of humans who are born genius .. we have had enough examples from the past that people "ocassionally" jumped caste boundaries of occupation and attained excellence and society warmly accepted them !! but they were exceptions to the general 95-98% of the public .. "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14827 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
Do you think duryodhana really wanted to help karna because he was a sudra, no he wanted someone to challenge arjuna, and didn't mind supporting karna for his own benefit | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 3983 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
All those who take reservation should be made to become Priests.. buy one get one... | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3098 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
That is obvious, and easy. Reservations were a bad solution. In fact, they contributed to the problem. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3097 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
@kamal Compulsory universal education contributes to the order, and harmony in the society. I do not understand how a farmer, or a barber's family staying in that profession for ever is needed for harmony in the society. Actually it contributes to the contrary. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3156 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 68.119.69.49 Rating: N/A |
yes, while a sudra ekalavya is not destined to learn from a brahmin. it took a dhuryodhan to accept karna's might(when everyone assumed he was a sudra) the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14826 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
If caste system fuxxked up Hinduism, then why are we seeing so many ppl moving out of hinduism even now after 50 years of reservation? | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3155 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 68.119.69.49 Rating: N/A |
are you not assuming that he will be a average collector? is this not discrimination? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11317 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
On what basis do u think a barber's son will be an "excellent" barber but an "average" collector? Gene pool anedhi bull-shit ani nenu already cheppaanu! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12998 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
sorry .. my bad .. eppudooo .. 4-5 years kritam chadivaa aa book .. so my memory may not serve me well .. aa book lo .. he even produced some british-Indian studies to conclusively prove that .. not more than 10% of the society bore the brunt of untouchability etc .. (ofcourse even that should not have been present!)
Who was Guha ? the one who made Rama cross River Sarayu? Who is Sabari? there are many many instances .. where great respect was given .. "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3154 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 68.119.69.49 Rating: N/A |
it did not answer anything to me, you are just giving your opinion on a free system, it does not help anything towards caste system. again, why a fisherman's son chosing to become a trader a free sytem, it can still be within the realms of caste system is it not? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3096 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Barber kadupuna excellent barber ye pudathadu ani decide chesesaru choodandi...adi problem. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 3982 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
BTW.. Pandavas were in the guise of Brahmans at that time.. Brahmans staying as guests in a Sudra Potter's house sums it up... | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3095 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Ikkada oka catch undi, compulsory universal education is needed in the present society, "to live". We are not deciding a what a person has to do for life here.
Okadu, than profession ni ishtapadakunda, thana anthata thanu choose chesukokunda excel ayina case choopinchandi. I will agree. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11315 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Ambedkar battalu chinchukuni reservations kosam poradindi enduku annai? Untouchability ki guraindhi evaru? Why were they not allowed to study or enter the temple? Ippudu time maarindi and they are getting good opportunities and upper caste vaallu kooda thindiki gathi lekapothe okappudu asahyinchukunna panulu chesthunnaaru- my bottomline is caste system fukced up Hinduism ani! I am not arguing on whether a particular caste was good or bad or was the reason! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12996 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.141 Rating: N/A |
good example .. what would be ideal??? him being an 'average' collector .. or an 'excellent' barber??? and if a system wants to generate more of the second kind .. what is wrong with it???? "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 3075 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38 Rating: N/A |
Why would you say that? Time changes, society structure changes. That's the law of nature. ...and I am never gonna dance again...guilty feet I have got no rhythm...though its easy to pretend...I know you are not a fool...I should've known better than to cheat a friend...wasted chance that I'been given...so I am never gonna dance again...the way I danced with you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQtlrBziyzI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zALiyJ02k_Y | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12995 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.141 Rating: N/A |
Haha .. system evaru ante .. my answer will come in the form of a question .. In many liberal nations .. there are "laws" for "universal compulsory education" .. adi cheppadaaniki system evaru??? think about that and you will find your answer .. !!!
It is basically to do with what sort of a thinking you subscribe to .. I for one .. feel absolutely "free" societies are unproductive .. and hence .. I am glad .. the society through such systems take care of those issues .. and for lack of such "systems", in my view, it will utter chaos ..
I think .. pai answer hold good for this question as well .. also read this ..
"Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 3981 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
STs did not face any untouchability.. SCs yeah.. When Pandavas went for Draupadi Swayamvaram.. they stayed at a Sudra Potter's house.. enough said about respect for Sudras.. Infact.. most of India has been ruled by Sudras since ancient times for want of Kshatriyas.. perhaps due to elimination of Kshatriyas by Parasurama... Sudras should be grateful to Brahmans for that.. stop crying... | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14824 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
Basky usage konnisarlu bhale comedyga untundi..daniki thodu upper case | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3094 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
DOMAIN works, word bagundileader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14823 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
Frankly speaking, those jobs are easy to learn and you don't need a formal education to sweep a road or clean sulabh complex. Why do you think people who did those jobs in the past repented for doing them? may be they were happy doing such jobs..we don't know what was in their minds. One needs to object only if such a sc/st guy is not given an oppurtunity to study | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11314 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Ippudu unnadi enti?  Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11313 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Thammi, I only talked about money because Mav specifically asked about "Rich" lower caste person- Oka rich barber unnaadu anuko, athani koduku baaga chaduvukuni collector avvaali anukuntaadu kaani barber avvaali anukodu! But nuvvu cheppinattu venturing into outside jobs concept ledhu anuko, rich barber koduku malli rich barber authaadu! Same Mav adigina situation lo kooda family profession maathrame cheyaali ane situation lo yes, rich sulabh complex worker (if at all he becomes rich) will still be a toilet cleaner! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3153 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 68.119.69.49 Rating: N/A |
we are speaking of whether there is a chance for a fisherman can succeed as a trader. even if the fisherman fails to be a trader, why is it wrong for a fisherman to try anything that he is not supposed to to do? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Netsaint Side Hero Username: Netsaint Post Number: 2924 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 75.185.82.44 Rating: N/A |
CASTE system is required. Its for professional services. It will be UTTER CHAOS if evrybody start doing evverybody else's DOMAIN works "chinmaya chidaaanda chidvilasa brundaavana sundara sukumaara saundharya gaandharva lalaaama Thana yavvana poooritha prapoooritha prajwalitha netra thanaku thanai digivacchina vanithaa mani thana vihaara vinoda vinooothna spoorthi andhamai gandhamai anubandhamaiiiii..... My Telugu Bhakthi Blog :http://gurugeetha.blogspot.com/ | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1828 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: N/A |
Maverick and N_U iddaroo vachchaaru.........chachchindi thread...Im out | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12994 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
my earlier post
"Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11312 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Until recently why, only a section of people did such jobs? Ippudu potta kooti kosam irrespective of caste andharu anni jobs chesthunnaaremo kaani oka 50 yrs back varaku only SC/STs used to perform such professions! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 866 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.20.253 Rating: N/A |
true. nenu developer gaa development work chestuntee maa manager naa kante ekkuva dabbulu dobbutooo pedda work emi lekundaa eppudoo edo meeting lu anukuntoo vuntadau ani feel avutooo vuntaaa. Respect koooodaa tanake ekkuva istaru andaru naa kante. visibility koodaa tanake ekkuvaa.  | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1827 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: N/A |
>>>> Kinda vallu kasta padi pantalu pandisthe, aasthanallo rajulu, pandithulu enjoy chesavallu. >>>>>>>>>>>>> ippudemi different??? all the people at the bottom work their ass off and gets paid peanuts.......and people in power and wealthy enjoys lots of benefits and they can live in dreamworld............AA kooda hero avuthaadu and people accept....if not for background, what will he be? nuvvu digaku ee topic lo.....chachchindey thread......and madhyalo edo oka agenda pattukosthaav.....others look like really interested in the topic.....ekkadikoo vellipotundi thread nuvvosthey..... first post accusation tho modalettaav......konchem janatha meeda daya thalachi vadileyyi deenni.....pakkana inko thread open chesi andulo thittu boothulu.......mee kamma brahmin jugalbandi akkada continue cheyyandi...... | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12993 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
thats how "foriegnors" address people living on this land .. and then naa understanding prakaaram .. by people inside Hinduism .. "Dalits" were not considered as "Hindus" ani chadivaanu .. I also read, that kind of a reform only started from the times of Meera etc .. atleast naa varaku nenu I do not see a contradiction there .. "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3093 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Adey mastaru, idi cheppataniki system evaru. It is upto an individual to decide what is going to be more productive for himself. What he wants to do. Ika order, and harmony of the society question ye ledu indulo. Okadu by birth oka pani cheyataniki puttadu ani munde decide chestara? comedy gaa ledu? Puttinappude excellence vachestunda, oka profession lo? Excellence comes by hardwork. Adi ravalante, it is very important that a person really likes what he does. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14822 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
Yuddhallo pranalu pote evarivi potayi? raitulu matrame kastapadevallu in the past..migata andaru light anna picture ivvaku | ||
| Bhikhu Side Hero Username: Bhikhu Post Number: 6054 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 148.129.71.52 Rating: |
manam sustunnama  | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12992 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
see .. for you .. the concern more is with money and not respect for the profession .. asalu rich/poor ane criteria .. caste system lo undi ani neeku cheppindi evaru??? there could be a wealthy fisherman who does a great job at work .. than a not-so-wealthy trader who is not that excellent with his profession .. are we discussing such trivialities here? if so, I do not see a point !!! "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14821 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
Priest daaka enduku..take ourself..oka software ataniki MCH worker switch ante switch avvadu..its the nature of work and what they make out of it that makes one detest,nothing related to caste. Discovery lo dirty jobs ani program undi..alantide idi kooda | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 6432 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
@kamal I am seriously interested in your source any one born east of sindhu river is a hindu antaav...malla dalits animalistic traditions, outside of hinduism antaavu ( so dalits are actually converted hindus? whom the hindu system failed) | ||
| New_user Side Hero Username: New_user Post Number: 9578 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 74.63.112.147 Rating: N/A |
Caste system ni pettadaniki, theories chepthunnaru, sare. Why the humiliation. Samanam ga chudataniki emiti problem? Pure exploitation. Khan Dada - Chiru. Manikyam - Pans. | ||
| Bhikhu Side Hero Username: Bhikhu Post Number: 6053 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 148.129.71.52 Rating: N/A |
eti avutondi ikkada..kisha and kamal hyd lo paristiti etta undi?..cool ayinda? | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11308 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Yes and No, depends on the situation! But if we take a MCH worker and a priest and ask them to switch their jobs for a day, I am sure MCH worker will happily agree where as a priest wont! When I say priest here, I don't mean a section of people- I am talking about a respectable profession and the highest respected position I know in a society is priest job! So you can replace priest profession with a software engineer! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| New_user Side Hero Username: New_user Post Number: 9577 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 74.63.112.147 Rating: N/A |
"Exactly, once upon a time when things were ideal," Ala eppudu undadu. Kinda vallu kasta padi pantalu pandisthe, aasthanallo rajulu, pandithulu enjoy chesavallu. Khan Dada - Chiru. Manikyam - Pans. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 3152 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 68.119.69.49 Rating: N/A |
caste system was formed with a lack of infrastucture or resources to categorize and organize. irrespective of a caste, if you will be labelled after what you can do based on your birth, you will feel discriminated, whether you label a certain job is considered menial or a good one. fishing, skinning animals are not menial jobs and they should be treated equally to ruling ani antaaru, but no two are equal ani antaaru.... irrespective of whether society has degenerated, how has caste degenerated? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 19772 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 206.208.231.61 Rating: N/A |
am going to ghost writer today...even i was too occupied but last weekend moodu cinemalu kotta..shutter,repo men and bounty hunter...repo men is sick...masthu undhi movie... | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1826 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: N/A |
>>>>> There will never be equality on earth.. why should anyway.. Equality exists only in dictionaries.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> janatha ki adi ardhamu kaadu....they think all should be treated equally.....which was/is not and will never be the case.... but people love sweet lies fed to them....than realizing the truth and accept the nature of the beast......or is nature itself a beast??? | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12991 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
Good that you asked this question .. for order and harmony in society .. it evolved a system where 95% ordinary people are productive and on their path to excellence .. for that one extra-ordinary genius in the system that you mentioned in your post .. there were always ways to address his desire and concerns .. otherwise we would not have had a "Rishi" in Valmiki .. who wrote the most brilliant of epics (the most celebrated piece of art on earth !!!) "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 19771 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 206.208.231.61 Rating: N/A |
race horses lo if a horse has best feature then they groom it with another good horse to get another cool horse...animals ki manasu thakkuva kabatti its ok....they have to mate with watever they have annattu....How can you appl the same logic to humans...dats wat caste system does...it segregates people by pedigree or genes or watever...hardly giving scope for a wild horse to become a race horse....pplsck kurrod cheppinattu very rarely vyasa maharshi kurrod lantollu ostharu....just like sea biscuit....but race horses kadupulo oka underperforming horse puttina its entitles to become a race horse antey elaa ....its a lame practice....I believe in the odeology of sacrificing gene pool n take chances with mixing up everything but not denying any kurrod a shot towards his dream.... shxt cleaning is a job that comes with caste and no one with common sense would accept that philosophy where u have to clean shxt cause u belong ot certain caste | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14818 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
yes, when he becomes rich if required will he clean? | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3092 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
kamal saaru, okallu valla traditional profession kakunda veredi cheddamu anukunte adi greed ela autundi? leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 6431 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
@Elcaminocapastrino mama, shutter island sudaledhu...too many things to handle...will catch up on DVD ghost writer chusava | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11307 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
In today's world a lower caste person could become rich because people broke their age old shackles and ventured into jobs outside their family traditions and against caste system! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3091 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Yes there is no absolute equality. But the question is which way are we progressing? Equality based on character, and skills konchem aina lekapothe asalu mukku moham theliyani country lo manam job cheyagalige vallama? leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12990 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.140 Rating: N/A |
Thank God .. you now atleast understand that I am only supporting things to be "picture perfect" and not the same $hit we come across daily ..
cheppaanu ga .. in my understanding .. untouchability/access to education and temples etc lo suffer ayyindi "only" Dalits .. and not the rest of the society (who are 80-85% of the population .. I do not know about those days) .. and nenu reason kooda ichanu ga .. Dalits (SC/STs) were considered outside Hinduism anukuntunna .. probably some 2000 years ago .. but rest all people had "respect" "money" "honor" as late as 17th century in India .. and yes .. I wish .. Hinduism addressed its issues with people following animalistic traditions etc .. long ago .. I have to agree that they failed on that issue ! "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11306 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Exactly, once upon a time when things were ideal, if everyone was treated with respect- caste ane division enduku petti untaaru when there is no actual division at all? Caste system itself is bull-shit no matter how noble the idea was behind it! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Maverick Hero Username: Maverick Post Number: 14817 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 192.146.101.71 Rating: N/A |
ee sulabh compolex cleaing has nothing to do with being upper caste or lower caste..intodays world will a rich lower caste person go and clean? | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3090 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
There is no question of one profession being superior to the other here. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11305 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Yes, virtual DB lo kaadu, real life lo priests are the most respected persons in society! Priest vayasu chinnadaina athani kaallaki dandam pedthaaru! Municipality lo work chesevaadu musalodu ainaa athanni arey oray ani pilusthaaru! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 3980 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Caste or no Caste.. Reservations or no Reservations.. There will never be equality on earth.. why should anyway.. Equality exists only in dictionaries.. | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3089 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Ok I will rephrase it, oka farmer caste lo puttina vadiki, scientist gaa excel ayye brain undakoodada? Alage oka brahmin gaa puttina vadiki superior administration, business skills undakoodada? Evariki ye skills undalo decide cheyadaniki system evaru? Why should they be decided by one's birth? leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12989 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.141 Rating: N/A |
sure .. eppudo oka book chadivaa .. caste system and its relevance gurinchi .. do not know if that is available online .. @others .. if anybody thinks they can provide a source for such a doc .. I will be glad ! "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3088 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Do you think priests are respected. Ee DB ye sakshyam, entha respect undo priests ante. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11304 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Oka set of people ni asalu ooriloki raanicchevaaru kaadu, cheppulu vesukunte shikshinchevaaru, temple daridaapulloki raanichevaaru kaadu- alanti vaallu chaduvukuni udyogaalu cheyatam possible antaava aa rojullo? You are talking about way too back when things were picture perfect and I am talking about the days when people have changed and started feeling that they deserve respect because of their birth! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12988 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.140 Rating: N/A |
see .. its a problem with your understanding itself .. you see a scientist as a genius and a farmer as not equal to him .. but the system you are mentioning here does not see it like that !!! genius lu pudataaru ye caste lo aina .. vaallani aa profession lo ne excellence ki train chese vaaru .. be it any caste .. I think the works were equally valued by the society ..
I think .. present day lo that is already a reality .. I think Francis Gautier raasina Rediff article was very very famous .. which actually tells the same thing that 50-60% of workers in Sulabh are Brahmins itself .. ofcourse .. that article address issues with how they are being paid low and how they are exploited .. but thats not the issue with this thread and so we can skip that topic .. and let me tell you .. caste system infact said the same thing .. whatever work you do .. thats very very important and be proud of it ani .. if this principle got corrupted somewhere and people started using it for their own ends .. blame those idiots .. and not the system ..
yes .. absolutely .. thats my understanding of it .. as I said earlier .. oka kummari ki iche respect wrt his profession is equal to a brahmin wrt to his profession .. and since you want it to be compared with a person working in sulabh complex .. it should also be the same !! "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3086 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Don't see it happening. Coz, the existing political system, and reservations only encourage the caste system. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 6428 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
//in good old days .. were outside the caste system .. they were more following the animalistic traditions and were more often than not moving tribes not subscribing to a place and time .. // @kamal kamal, any references for this? I know such tribes exist in current day India too but will be interesting to know if some ppl were classified coz of such and how our ancestors have interpreted it at that times and how the picture changed over times... | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2138 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
malla doubt ... Ideal caste system lo ippudu vachina mechanical, software, Administration jobs e caste vallu cheyyali? hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11303 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Yes, I am waiting for such society- every person should be treated equally based upon his character and not on which caste he belongs to! If that doesn't happen very soon, Hinduism itself will perish! If you don't let a person enter the temple because of his caste, then he will go looking for another God in another religion! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12986 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.141 Rating: N/A |
no need to apologize bro .. peddavaadivi .. I think my comm skills suck !!!
evaru veellu??? Naaku telisinantha lo .. evry caste had a meaningful and very important profession attached .. society lo oka Kummari vaadi importance every day telisedi aa rojullo .. alage oka mangali .. oka padmasaali .. every one contributed their skill for the society and more importantly .. money was the least parameter they considered to value a man/family/community ! Antha dhanam chetilo unna "kshatriyulaki" kooda .. oka dharmam aapadinchinchaaru .. and adi tappina vaadiki maraname siksha ane level lo treat chesedi society .. In my understanding .. aa naati society lo .. "respect" "honor" etc were more important than simply money and comforts .. and people worked only on those lines .. monneppudo Bitter annai oka post vesaadu choodu .. 300 years back varaku kooda .. society lo unde wealth .. oka lekka prakaram distribute chesevaaru .. till the last person in the last queue ani .. naa understanding kooda ade .. and that sort of a system ni support chestunnane kaani .. not a system where a person is ascribed to clean toilets and $hitbowls for living .. no .. thats not my intention at all .. and lastly .. I do not know ..if the caste system dictated that other than Brahmins no body should get educated ! (mind you - general education is very very different from Vedas, Puranas etc .. ) alanti documents evanna unnaya to support your claim that .. caste system lo .. set of people kakunda .. vere vaallu asalu chaduvukokudadu (general education) ani cheppe docs .. ! "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11302 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
It's not about how much they earn, I am talking about what kind of respect they get! Kamal said in ideal caste system all professions are treated equally- so sulabh complex lo work chesevaadiki, pourahithyam chesevaadiki same amount of respect isthaara society lo? Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2137 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
 mama ...hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 3979 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Yeah.. many in north India are doing that.. AP also will follow.. dont worry... | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3084 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Antha scene ledu mastaru, now a days a sulabh cleaner may earn more than some priests. So I wonder if you will find many who are happy to be a priest. leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11301 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Thammi, nuvvu software job chesukuntu sudrunni ani cheppukuntunnaav bagaane undi and I appreciate it- kaani how about people who work in Sulabh complexes (and similar jobs) because they are born in lower castes? Oka upper caste vaadu aa pani chesthu nenu sudrunni and I am proud of myself ani cheppukunna roju caste system ideal ayinattu! PS: I am not saying that working in sulabh complex is bad, but can a priest go and do such work? But I am sure if proper training is given to a lower caste person, he will happily perform priest's work! So society views some jobs as demeaning and unfortunately only some people have to perform those jobs because they are born in some castes! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3083 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Aithe, oka farmer ki puttina vadu goppa scientist avataniki chance ye leda? Even if he has the brain of a genius? Meeru cheppina dani prakaram asalu aa gene pool lo genius putte avakasame leda? leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 19770 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 206.208.231.61 Rating: N/A |
humpty maccha how r u...shutter island chusava....surreal undhi dats mom...dont miss | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11300 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
OK I guess I interpreted your posts wrongly and I apologize! But make me understand what your post on "greed and venturing out of family profession" means! Nuvvu cheppina ideal system lo janalu evari panulu vaallu chesukuntu, prathi okkarini equal ga treat chesthu, prathi profession ni equal ga threat chesthu alaage unnaaru anukundhaam- so ee roju oka section vaallu maathrame scholars, professors, scientists, software engineers ayyevaallu, oka section of people maathrame politicians and management gurus ayyevaallu, oka section of people maathrame oppressed and backward and poor ga undevaallu- without people venturing into other fields that they know are good in, manam entho mandi scholars ni, great personalities ni miss ayyevaallam! I still oppose your post on "venturing outside their family profession" Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3082 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
@Vjavasi You said that brahmins are supposed to do something, kshatriyas are supposed to do something else. Do you mean that by birth they will automatically get those qualities, or are they supposed to gain those qualities? If the latter were true, how does caste system, which is purely based on birth fit in? leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12985 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.141 Rating: N/A |
ide nenu kooda cheptunna .. what I am based on my work ante .. I have to Sudra .. and I do not know why people are offensive over that fact !
bro .. Gita saaranni .. okka sentence lo cheppesaavu ga .. hats off "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Woodpecker Side Hero Username: Woodpecker Post Number: 6567 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 161.165.196.84 Rating: |
tag is the only constant thing in this world ani idle/kaki saying | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12984 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.141 Rating: N/A |
ela decide ayyaaru?? kinda Vjavasi ichina initiator post choodandi .. asalu caste ane system evolve ayinappudu .. ideal ga undo ledo choodandi .. appudu aa system lo discriminations kanipisthe .. I will be glad to say .. that the system itself is a wrong system .. naa understanding lo .. society lo excellence promote cheyyadaniki, skills hone cheyyadaaniki pettindi/form chesindi caste system .. bcos .. ideally .. when people are brought up in a gene pool and environment .. its natural that they achieve excellence .. but to clarify you for the nth time .. NO SKILL is less .. absolutely NO skill .. a farmer is as important as a fisherman and a priest .. idi ideal setting lo !!! secondly .. when it comes to Dalits/Harijans or Panchamas (absolutely no offensive from my side .. please understand that I am only typing what I understood the system as .. anthe kaani naa sontha kavitvam kaadu).. in good old days .. were outside the caste system .. they were more following the animalistic traditions and were more often than not moving tribes not subscribing to a place and time .. Lastly .. inko saari cheptunna .. Please do not judge me based on my "understanding" of the caste system .. and I am not advocating discrimination against ANY individual !!! "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2132 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 59.162.171.60 Rating: N/A |
it's an accident based on your desire if you think at a spiritual level..it's your effort at material level | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 3978 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
If not for Caste.. all Hindus would have long converted to Islam long ago.. like in rest of Asia.. Caste was prevalent social system all over the ancient world.. rest of world forgot it.. infact great Greek philosophers were in awe and envy that India had such a perfect social system.. they strongly advocated such a system in Greek society too but could not succeed.. we know how Greek civilization died long ago.. if only they followed the Caste system of India.. Alas!!! Caste is the only basis on which Karma theory exists.. What you are is based on your Karma.. there is no other philosophical theory that can match the logical depth of Karma... | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1825 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: N/A |
Kish, oka maata cheppu...why is nature cruel to one baby and nice to another baby? whether you like it or not people are different........and it is the same today.......try mixing with stinking rich group and let me how they treat you with respect and dignity.......today it is not caste....it is class that matters........ just a different name...but the concept is the same.........first blood boil tagginchukuni, spend time to think about it......... Brahmans, Rajas, Sudras ani evarooo permanent gaa undaru.......people keep jumping from one band to another based on numerous conditions...... | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2131 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 59.162.171.60 Rating: N/A |
those who are mad at my post...please go through the post once again....i was comparing different times based on information from our ancient literature and my current experience...i am not talking about greatness of any sect or caste...i have referenced qualities associated with different gunas as explained in Gita...it's just my view | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11299 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Nenu lolli chesthunna ani soft ga seppaaru- I jump, you continue!  Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3081 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
what is an achievement in your opinion? leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11297 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
OK thammi, ideal system ela undedho cheppu- naaku thelsi ideal caste system anedhe ledhu eppudu! If there was an ideal system where are people were treated equally, I don't see any reason for a caste system in the first place! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2130 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 59.162.171.60 Rating: N/A |
That's what i am saying material achievement is no qualifier for one's nature.... | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1824 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: N/A |
>>>>> greatness is not a parameter to judge nature...two persons with similar natural tendencies could reach different destination owing to two different life trajectories...one could become Einestien ...another an ordinary college professor >>>>>>>>>>> man, you rock....... Humpty, we discuss some other time........sound to noise ratio is too low here......but think of it.........be a sympathizer of the ancestors just for a while and see what looks closer to truth........ BTW, nenu kooda bhayamkaramaina liberal ni okappudu.........hehehe...... caste and class are as prevalent in every society/country as it has always been........and that will always be......caste and class is nothing but the differences between different people....and those differences will always be there......equations change avutuntaayi....but system will always be there, probably just with an other name.....or it will be so subtle that most don't even realize that they are living it everyday......... | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12983 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
Ideal system lo yes .. absolutely undedi .. but before you again misunderstand and pose questions on discrimination and "misuse" .. NO .. alanti system lo brahmandam ga undadu !!! "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 11120 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
Why should be a person considered untouchable if he is born in a certain caste? Why cannot he come into a temple or get educated? -- these are the very two things i dont understand....why my religion has given scope to this horrible treatment..... why is a person cannot go to temple ? forget caste system.....god mundu andaram okati kaadha? even god has a preference of whom he gives a darshan? or is there someone else who decides who God has to favour too? Interpetation.....has gone wrong somewhere in the middle anedhi naa opinion.... A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. -- Mitch Radcliffe | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 3080 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
@Vjavasi - IMO Idi konchem pata chintakayapachadi analysis.No offense. I am no expert in genetics. Genes do play a role, for sure, so does the environment, one's education, upbringing etc. And it will be very difficult to separate and tell which factor plays a major role. For me, the environment, education etc. are more important. Calling a sect/caste to be more intelligent,by birth, than the others is BS. If Einstein was born in a family with no proper access to education, or physics, who knows what he would have done? leader [lee-der] -noun : A person who can publicize himself in the media, and is very successful at it. | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11296 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Family professions chesukuntu gadipithe caste system bramhandam ga undedha? Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2136 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12981 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
let me tell you for one last time .. in the ideal caste system .. there are NO privileged people !!!!! atleast naa understanding adi !!! "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11294 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
What the deuce are you talking? Caste system ni misuse chesthundi just few years back laaga matladuthunnaav! Caste system vallane kada antarani thanam vacchindi! Why should be a person considered untouchable if he is born in a certain caste? Why cannot he come into a temple or get educated? Why the percentage of people who get converted to other religions are majorly oppressed and SC/STs? The caste system literally fukced up Hinduism This has been going on for ages and you are saying it got corrupted recently! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12980 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.139 Rating: N/A |
asalu .. idi evaru chepparu? did I ??? if not .. why are you putting words in my mouth .. ??? I do not know what made you percieve that I said all those .. and if at all some authority on caste actually said that??? and if Brahmins are working on Computer systems (even thats "venturing" outside due to 'greed') .. and that is what I meant .. edo Sudras chaduvukokudadu kinda thinking naalo eppudu ledu .. !!! Anyways .. I am out of this disco .. I think I faltered hugely as to what I wanted to communicate ! "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 11119 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
its the "greed" of the man .. that actually made the caste system worse .. people out of greed .. "ventured" into jobs outside their limited set and it naturally added lot of cacophony to the existing harmony .. --- ventured into jobs outside their limited sets..... mmm..... so their limitations are set by a privileged few.....which these thrill seeking guys crossed......and so we call it catastrophe...... I call it evolving and invention.....and finding their capability.....finding their worth.....finding their inner strength to acheive what is claimed as can be done by only those who are priveleged....and most importantly.....dont blindly trust what others say about your capabilities....but try youself.... good that these guys broke the norm and went on to prove anyone can achive anything with application...... I'm not going against anyone here....just trying to see what i can make out of this informaton.... A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. -- Mitch Radcliffe | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 3977 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Then.. blame the society.. not the system... | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1823 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: N/A |
>>>> Did Caste degenerate coz Society degenerated.. Or Did Society degenerate coz Caste degenerated.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "cause and effect" relation god knows.....I think all things that look out of sync are bcoz ppl suck.....:-)....... and as things go in cycles.....degeneration and regeneration is part and parcel of life and death.......causation god knows.......BTW, people think we are on the progressive path now to know the absolutest truth and beauty of life.........why do you think society is degenerated? did you miss your "equal right to compete"?..........why you so bitter?.....jus kiddin...... | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11293 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Thammud, enti idhi? Are you in your senses? Ante ni uddhesham lo enni yugaalu gadichinaa Brahmins chaduvukuni goppa vaallu ga migilipovaali, Kshathriyas rajyapalana cheyaali and Sudrulu ooriki avathala untu mala moothralu clean chesthu gadapaala? Why are you thinking so narrow-mindedly? People out of greed ventured out of their family professions ante enti ni uddhesham? Who created these family professions and why people have to be selfless and stick to them even though they are much better than what they do? Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12979 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
vaarini .. nenemi annanu annai .. antha replies ivvadam waste antha pani emi chesaa? sare le .. I think somewhere we are not on the same page with what we are arguing .. lite lo .. my apologies if I hurt you anywhere during this disco !!! thats not my intention !
Hmm .. neti taram lo janam caste ni abuse chesi .. vaalla own gains/ends kosam vaadukuntonte .. adi caste system tappu ela avutundi brother??? thats my question .. caste anedi oka system .. it does not have any "intelligence" to use, to protect itself from falling into the hands of misled societies .. intaku minchi nenu disco cheyyanu ee vishayam lo .. bcoz .. I think ppl are getting hurt on these issues and thats not my intention at all .. and my poor communication skills arent help either ! "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2134 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
endukayya ikkada ... we are not equal ... telusukuni po hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2129 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 59.162.171.60 Rating: N/A |
greatness is not a parameter to judge nature...two persons with similar natural tendencies could reach different destination owing to two different life trajectories...one could become Einestien ...another an ordinary college professor | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12977 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
My meaning is .. the caste system is changing .. and any change can lead to good or bad results .. when it yields bad results .. the change is called a corrupt practice in hindsight !!! malli vasta .. oka 2-3 hours pani undi .. "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2133 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
OK ... baga arthamaindi ippudu ... inka cheppadaniki em ledu ... inta karadu kattina chandasavadulu ani teliledu ... replies ivvadam kuda waste ... hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11291 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Ekkada change vacchindi babu? Municipality lo pani chese Brahmin, inka nenu upper caste vaadine ani garvapadthaadu, officer position lo unna SC/ST ni migatha vaallu eedu lower caste vaadu annatte choosthaaru! Society lo maarpu ante no matter what a person does, no matter what a person's caste is- andharam samaanam anukunnappudu! Ee vishayam lo Non-Hindus chaala chaala better! US lo aithe "dignity of labor" concept rockso rocksu! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12976 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
I think its the first ! "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 6425 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
@pplsuck bro, I don't know how I gave you the impression of shouting from the top "all are born equal". perhaps in a different thread or here I was trying to saying all should be treated equal and might have cooked something altogether different. anyways, too many things already in this thread. | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 11115 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
The contours of the caste system that was formed with only 'India and Indian society' in mind thousands of years ago ... got disfigured/changed with the "globalisation" of the society .. its changing/adjusting itself to the new reality of this age .. -- brother...with all due respect......this contradicts what you said....about a well formed system getting corrupted.... changing/adjusting.....evolving.....all has to happen kadha? so where is question of corrupting.....the age old formation..... A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. -- Mitch Radcliffe | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 11114 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
Devudi daggara prasadam preparation ki.....sect based.....discrimination aa? If this is what we have come to.....i dont know what to say... A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. -- Mitch Radcliffe | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 3975 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Did Caste degenerate coz Society degenerated.. Or Did Society degenerate coz Caste degenerated.. | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2132 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
Yeah ... I should better do that ... Weaker Lion - Stronger Lion ... related to caste system based on genes philosophy ... Great Analogy anaala? ... It doesn't make any sense to me ... I mean it ... hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12975 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
exactly .. anduke cheppanu ga .. based on the work I do .. I am Sudra and there is nothing wrong about it .. absolutely! The contours of the caste system that was formed with only 'India and Indian society' in mind thousands of years ago ... got disfigured/changed with the "globalisation" of the society .. its changing/adjusting itself to the new reality of this age ..
I dont think so .. its the "greed" of the man .. that actually made the caste system worse .. people out of greed .. "ventured" into jobs outside their limited set and it naturally added lot of cacophony to the existing harmony .. "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 3974 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Row over prasadam preparation Staff Reporter Workers demand cancellation of new contract PHOTO: RAJU. V Contract workers packing pulihora prasadam of Sri Durga Malleswara Swamivarla Devasthanam on Indrakeeladri in Vijayawada. â VIJAYAWADA: A rule recently laid down by the authorities of Sri Durga Malleswara Swamivarla Devasthanam while awarding the contract for preparation of prasadam in the temple's kitchen sparked a controversy on Tuesday, with the workers engaged in the making of prasadam staging a demonstration on the temple premises demanding extension of their services. Based on the norms prescribed by the Endowments Department, the Executive Officer of the Devasthanam issued a notification on February 28 inviting tenders from the interested parties to take over the prasadam preparation for one year from April 1. The EO said in the notification that the contractor must engage workers belonging only to Brahmin community for preparing and packing laddu, pulihora, chakkera pongali, katte pongali and sanagalu. The contract was awarded to Ravi Kumar, who has been handling the job for the last two years. In tune with the new norm, he asked the present set of workers not to attend duties from April 1 onwards. This led to a furore, with the existing workers protesting that the norms laid down in the new contract were âunfairâ. The workers during the demonstration demanded termination of the new contract. Probe sought The issue within no time snowballed into a major controversy with trade unions affiliated to the Left parties extending their solidarity with the workers and questioning the validity of the norms. CPI (M) State secretary B.V. Raghavulu, during a press conference in the city, said in reply to a question that the insistence on engaging workers of only one community for the making of prasadam was âunconstitutionalâ. CPI (M) leaders Ch. Babu Rao and R. Raghu demanded that an inquiry be ordered into the entire process of awarding of the contract. Executive Officer of the Devasthanam N. Vijaya Kumar, when contacted, defended it on the grounds that it was not a new norm as it was being implemented in all devasthanams across the State for many years. âAs per the Vedic tradition, only Brahmins are eligible to prepare âprasadam' in temples and this was implemented here till two years ago. I have only decided to revive the old practice and included it in the tender notification,â he said. Citing an instance of what happened in Kanipakam Devasthanam last year, Mr. Vijaya Kumar said the Executive Officer of the temple had sought an exemption to the norm last year as the contractor concerned could not find Brahmin workers. âBut the Commissioner had not given any exemption,â he said. Mr. Vijaya Kumar maintained that following the norms laid down by the department was his primary duty and the tender notification was given as part of his duty. âThis is not my personal decision,â he said. | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 3973 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 119.235.54.170 Rating: N/A |
Caste = Race... UK close to banning caste-based discrimination Follow us on Twitter | Share This | RSS | Font Problem? Prasun Sonwalkar London, Mar 31 In a "historic" step, British Parliament has moved closer to amending equality laws to declare as illegal caste-based discrimination, which is also perceived to be prevalent in India, after the House of Lords cleared the measure. The Equality Bill -- which unites the various strands of diversity legislation, outlaws age discrimination and requires businesses to report on the gender pay gap -- will now face final consideration by the House of Commons prior to receiving royal assent. It is expected to become law before the general election expected in early May. The House of Commons will consider the amendments suggested by the House of Lords on April 6. - (Agencies) | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1822 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: N/A |
too many posts and thread moving too fast.........we will talk later Humpty.... Rowdy, >>> senseless anology >>>>>>> you are so right....I am a stupid assx.....don't bother much reading my posts.... | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11290 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Peddha peddha para-lu unna posts nenu chadavanu and obviously, I skipped many posts in this thread! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2131 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
I didn't say you supported "antaranitanam" ... ittanti pokadalavalane purvam attanti duracharalu vachai ... inkaa maraledu janalu ani ... hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1821 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: N/A |
>>>> Paatha kaalam lo ala justify ayyindemo kaani ee rojullo prathi caste vaadu prathi pani chesthunnaaru! So for today's age- caste system is redundant! >>>>>>>>>>>>> idi initiator post..... >>>> In conclusion at present there are no significant differences between different varnas, >>>>>>>>>>> | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2130 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
adi sare kani naku oka vishayam jeppi punyam gattukondi ikkada ... other than hindus e caste kindaki jama vestunnaru ... like muslims, christians ... non-indians .... veellandaru e caste? hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12974 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
this is also one very very important point people do not consider .. "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 6424 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
@Kamal kamal , sorry I dont hink ananoyee, I do think annanu...it was a typo...••••••! | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12973 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
champesaav annai .. I never supported "antaraanitanam" .. please first understand that .. caste system lo .. there is more than just discrimination .. if thats what you get .. "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 865 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.20.253 Rating: N/A |
The problem is not in the system.. it is in man's power greediness. vunna daantlo trupti pade concept vundedi aa rojullo.. so vaallu happy. ippudu entha vunna inkaa edo kaavali.. result asanthi anaarogyam.. Humans are like virus..they consume everything they get into.. | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11289 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Farmer koduku farmer authaadu, doctor koduku doctor authaadu, barber koduku barber authaadu- enduku ante pillaadu puttina daggarnunchi vaallu aa respective vruthi ki expose authaaru kabatti- that doesn't mean caste categorization based on professions is justified! Paatha kaalam lo ala justify ayyindemo kaani ee rojullo prathi caste vaadu prathi pani chesthunnaaru! So for today's age- caste system is redundant! On a lighter side, maa univ pakkana oka american lady intlo saloon nadipedhi for students, her name was Cindy! Mana telugu students antha aameni refer chesinappudu comedy ga "Mangal Cindy" ante vaallu!  Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1820 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: N/A |
>>>> But every man has equal right to compete for something he wants to pursue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Could he have done it if he is in desham No and why cause lack of infrastructure lack of resources >>>>>>>>>>>> explain plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz "Right to compete" anta.......whatever it means...... BTW, ee caste batch will come up with exceptions like veda vyaasa and others if you talk about exceptions.....so watch out........ | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12971 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
no .. no body says .. we should not evolve .. I guess, what everybody has concerns is with evolving in a bad way and not retaining the good of the past !!! I think thats where the complaining stops ! "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12970 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
sorry to disappoint you bro .. from my limited understanding .. I think world (eastern or western) operates in patterns mostly .. and there is nothing discriminatory about it .. thats how nature is .. and for the record .. I am not at all saying Brahmin genes are "super" or "superior" or anything similar .. if thats what you understood .. what I meant is .. as a system .. Caste was formed on the occupations, people carried out .. antaku minchi emi ledu .. it sustained well for thousands of years before it got corrupted to what it is today .. lastly, I would be glad to call myself a Sudra based on the work I do .. I have no inhibitions admitting that !!!
well .. you are putting words in my mouth .. even after I clearly mentioned that I am not undervaluing the jobs .. and if that is your understanding of the caste system .. then I am sorry, you got it all wrong .. in the original caste system .. a farmer is as important to the society as much as a weaver or a trader or a brahmin .. thats my understanding of the issue !!!
Now I totally agree with this .. and let us see why ..
I think you got it wrong when you thought .. one caste people have "only" one guna .. NO .. they have all 3 gunas .. but one guna dominates most of the time and that is what was mentioned by Vjavasi in his earlier post .. I think that makes issues simpler .. or complex, may be "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2129 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
Kamal, Einstien, Newton, Darwin, Abdul Kalam ... veellandaru e goppa parents ki puttaru? .... e genes valla goppa vallayyaru? antaranitanam anedi ittanti verri pokadalavalane vachayi ... janam inkaa maraledaa? ... nenu roju chustunna/appreciate chestunna janam veellena ... dimma tirugutundi mee posts chustunte ... hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11288 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Genes, thokka thotakoora, caste, intelligence ivanni sollu maatalu! Oka person intelligence antha genes tho vasthundi anukunta only a set of families will always be intelligent for ages together! Prathi caste lo manchi vaallu, cheddavaallu, medhavulu, moorkulu, goppa vaallu, pedhavaallu- equal proportion lo untaaru- vaalla thelivi ni bayatapette maargam leka entho mandi mattilo manikyaalu laaga migilipothaaru! So caste has nothing to do with how a person will grow up and what he will become! Caste categorization is absolute bull-shit! Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Parthasaradhi Junior Artist Username: Parthasaradhi Post Number: 863 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 160.254.20.253 Rating: N/A |
I would say 50 words.. pedda post ni quote chestooo malli pedda post raayadam.. rendoo kalipi tadisi mopedu avutunnaay | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 11109 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
the old times din't have all the tools that we have today...... --- so with new times do we need to reclassify things ? just a genuine question......no kindalling...... human kind evolve avvali kadha anedhi naa doubt.... A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. -- Mitch Radcliffe | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 11108 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
Oka post lo 200 words limit pettandi! Ila pages pages thesis lu raasthe medhavulu anukuntaaru ani emaina opinion undha? -- alagey paragraphs and spaces pettandi babulu.... Gaji biji gandaragolam laaga kakunda.... A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. -- Mitch Radcliffe | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1819 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: N/A |
>>>> Could he have done it if he is in desham No and why cause lack of infrastructure lack of resources Now u apply the same logic to caste system u will see how fckin lame it is >>>>>>>>>>> there u go....your first statement explains the second one....In olden days, there wasn't no printing press to educate everybody on the same lines......a brahman's kid living with his father has more infra available for him to learn from his father.........a farmer kid spending time with his father has more chances to learn about farming...... the old times din't have all the tools that we have today...... | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2128 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
kotta siddantama? ... hats-off to you .... senseless anology hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 11107 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
caste as a system was formed to groom excellence in communities/groups of people and naturally it served its purpose for a long period of time .. till the community/society/country had external influxes and the new additions injected disturbances and new "dharma" into the prevailing system .. think about what those external injections are? --- but changing with time.....valaney....vallu a caste system form chesey sthai ki vacchi untaru kadha? lekapothey.....Adam and Eve laaga ennallu apples korukunni batukutham? are you saying that formation should be taken as base and we should not eveolve? naadhi maree stupid question aithey....ignore.... A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. -- Mitch Radcliffe | ||
| Kish Hero Username: Kish Post Number: 11287 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.215.115.88 Rating: N/A |
Oka post lo 200 words limit pettandi! Ila pages pages thesis lu raasthe medhavulu anukuntaaru ani emaina opinion undha?  Life is like a piano, what you get out of it depends on how you play it! | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 11106 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
dullness or inertia --- veetiki opposite enti 'friction' aa? ardham ayyi savatledhu..... A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. -- Mitch Radcliffe | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12969 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
how ?? anedi aalochinchu bro .. nuvvu different castes lo people are inheriting antunnav .. thats correct ... why is that happening so .. and why not the other way anedi aalochinchu .. caste as a system was formed to groom excellence in communities/groups of people and naturally it served its purpose for a long period of time .. till the community/society/country had external influxes and the new additions injected disturbances and new "dharma" into the prevailing system .. think about what those external injections are? "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 6422 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
@Elcaminocapastrino mama, welcome back. hope you had a good time off. | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1818 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: N/A |
>>>> bro, I am not jumping on to the bandwagon and throwing the weight of utopia ...so u can relax on that innocent stance of mine >>>>>>>>>> take it easy yo....thats just my style......I have an inherent desire to understand the things and learn......the best way is inquiry....instead people come to conclusions at jet speed in today's world......konchem slow chesthey they spend time to think before they ink ani....alaa konchem konchem neellu posthooo untaa vaalla fire meeda..... >>>>>> //monnatiwaraku, varna classification is coz of the work they do/or directed to do annaru. How did it become coz of gunas. Laziness gunam wallana shudras were assigned their duties and thus the classification antay vinataaniki vintha gaa undi// >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> systems degenerate.......any system by people(who suck) will have its own limitations......BTW, I don't have any reason to support the caste system....it will either resurrect or die on its own strength and weakness....at the same time, I find it too childish/dishonest to pass sweeping statements to smear it black with out proper understanding.......... Again repeat this process....look at today's world and see how the old systems would have evolved.....the first and foremost thing..."All are equal" aney notion nunchi bayatiki raa......if not based on caste, based on something else, something else or something else........we are different......some are born handicapped and some are perfectly healthy........some infants die and some get to live.......why antey em chepthaav?............ whether caste systems are good bad or ugly anedi pakkana pedithey....at least the attempt to see things as they are is honest......nature is inherently not about equality among all.....oka lion strong gaa untundi...daani offspring kooda strong ayye chances ekkuva.......if for some reason the offspring doesnt get the same nourishment or same conditions as its parent.......that might get weaker.....and vice-versa for a weak lion......let me know if I am making any sense to you......more later....... mana Elca baabu kooda vachchaadu....Im sure it is gonna be interesting now...slow cheyyakapothey idigo choodu ilaa untaayi statements.... >>>> some dumbfcker designed that casette system anukuntu untanu >>>>>>>>>> do you think this can be close to truth?....that someone that too a dumbfucker one day just sat there and created caste system.....and all we smartest of the smart spend so much time to understand/support/ridicule that system? and think of all the people who lived adhering to that system....... but then Elca and Der extra telivi batch kaabatti ilaa simple gaa truths kanipettestaaru...... | ||
| Desparado Comedian Username: Desparado Post Number: 1082 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 71.52.0.117 Rating: N/A |
cinemalla nemo kulamu kanna gunamu gopadhi antaru ee thread lo nemo gunamu batti kulamu antunrau eto antha konpusing ga undhi | ||
| Sachin Hero Username: Sachin Post Number: 14296 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 24.187.205.230 Rating: N/A |
thanks..i'm OUT | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 6420 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
//for the job, its more of a mechanical setting to go through the routines .. all it requires is 'patience' to complete those tasks .. // no, I do think that you are undervaluing the jobs you mentioned. Now applying the same school of thought to others, all a brahman does is also the same routine to recite mantras, aa a ruler does is to follow governance patterns be it aggressive or dormant . you can support your argument( and I have no issues with) by saying that by doing the above they are doing thus to acheive and preserve their gunas - //Satvva guna - purity, serenity and intelligence Rajo guna - action and desire // but I do not agree with //for the job, its more of a mechanical setting to go through the routines .. all it requires is 'patience' to complete those tasks// if it was not for things other than patience, a weaver would not have made silk or levis jeans, a smithy guy wud not have made razor blade, a farmer wud not have made a harvest in adverse conditions......I dont think these things wud have propogated from a guna of dullness or inertia as I said before classifications are not the problem but interpretations are what I differ with | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2127 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
puttukato caste vachindi anadam murkhatvam ... inta darunam gaa marustunnara puranalani? ... Kamal ... malla nuvvu super ani genes ani chebtunnava? I expected a different post from you ... you disappointed me yaa hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 11105 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
3 mukkalu 4 mukkalu lo chepamantey kudradu --- idhi correct.... A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. -- Mitch Radcliffe | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2126 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
educated parents illalo andaru inte untaranukunuta irrespective of caste ... inkedanna cheppandi hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 11104 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
ee thed lo em jaruguthando 3 mukkallo seppandi --- naa level daati velli....chaana sepu ayyindhi.... someone else should help you.... A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. -- Mitch Radcliffe | ||
| Desparado Comedian Username: Desparado Post Number: 1081 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 71.52.0.117 Rating: N/A |
ee thread lo participate seyyali antey essasays postalsindhey....3 mukkalu 4 mukkalu lo chepamantey kudradu | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2125 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
 hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2124 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 12.196.87.201 Rating: N/A |
caste - genes - daurbhagyam hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 19769 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 206.208.231.61 Rating: |
No dum dum will say all men are equal in terms of skill set or whatever No dum dum will say either that every man has equal right to pursue something But every man has equal right to compete for something he wants to pursue. He gets qualified or not itâs a different issue In the same thread its mentioned some sect has desire to rule to manage bongu bhoshanam Its so fckin lame that few weeks back I was in this workshop and there was huge ego maniac European from a very high position in a sales team of a major erp implementor talking about positives and negatives of teams around the globe and he passed a comment saying that All Indians are very good in maths but poor in management and presentation which created an unrest among desi group in that kick off Now he is fckin stupid cause india is a very big country and there are many good people in desham with extraordinary presentation n management skills and second point is English is not out primary language so to expect some Indian to show same fluency n command over enlgish like a westerner is dumb and also the orientation of the education focussing primarily on sciences and also the curriculum stressing on the importance on memorizing the formulas than these team building or crisis resolution or whatever crap that they teach in management made most of IT Indians mostly good in maths n a bit inferior to a westerner in management If you put the same Indian in west attending the same same school as this sales may be he can kick his butt in presentation Now think most Indians sck in gymnastics but in 2008 baijing we have a second generation desi dude winning medal for US in gymnastics Could he have done it if he is in desham No and why cause lack of infrastructure lack of resources Now u apply the same logic to caste system u will see how fckin lame it is They are already deciding you are unfit to rule cause ur born as sudra or vaisya and You are not even tested Its like the laziest way to build classes with absolute zero imagination its plain BS Now if they could have used some creativity and developed course curriculum and competitive tests or whatever then they could have easily made something as structured as now and less discriminating I still cant understand how people embrace it | ||
| Sachin Hero Username: Sachin Post Number: 14293 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 24.187.205.230 Rating: N/A |
ee thed lo em jaruguthando 3 mukkallo seppandi | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12967 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
sure .. what that means is .. to do routine/mundane jobs like fishing, agriculture, hunting, weaving etc .. that guna helps ani .. I am sure .. even he meant the same .. its to say that .. once you got trained .. for the job, its more of a mechanical setting to go through the routines .. all it requires is 'patience' to complete those tasks .. BTW - it is not a view to say those jobs are any less than others .. so I urge you to think from the same perspective .. "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 6419 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
@kamal idhi explain seyyi if possible...I might have used laziness instead of dullness in my previous post //shudras - predominant tamo guna tamo guna - dullness or inertia// | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12965 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.142 Rating: N/A |
haha .. may be u think the world today is different than what it used to be .. no .. the basic living is always the same .. there are NO changes that came through .. for example .. over the years .. a kid born into a vysya used to take up business itself and become a trader .. how is it today? any change ..? NOOO .. not at all .. we still have the same system .. may be in a different way .. think why are RCT, NC, AA, Mahesh, NTR etc are thriving in the movie industry??? if movie industry is a caste .. do you think the phenomenon is repeating itself? before you come up with some names like Chiru, RT kinda exceptions .. let me tell you .. those sort of exceptions always existed in history .. if you look deeper .. !!!
the genes 'might' not have got corrupted .. but the environment which needs to be in "sync" with the genes "might" have got corrupted .. think about it .. no two people in the world live, go through the world in same circumstances ! and may be, that difference is enough to show you those undesired results !
lol .. who brought laziness into picture here .. not me, not vjavasi .. all he said is .. Brahmins are supposed to have "Saathvic" guna more .. same with different other castes of people .. and let me tell you how gunam is related to the work you do .. a lawyer need not have physical fitness .. while he needs the capacity to 'memorize' key issues that need to be argued upon .. a police need not have a great memory but he needs to have good physical fitness for the work he does ..? not to develop those traits .. dont you think there needs to be certain "gunas" that come together? "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Raogaru Comedian Username: Raogaru Post Number: 1318 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 75.225.230.104 Rating: N/A |
post bagundi. kakapotey ippudunna nature okappatilaa ledu. appatlo technology ledu(at least not available for common man). appatlo population takkuva resources yekkuva, freedom yekkuva. valla thatha la pani vaaru chesi survive ayyaru. survival probs levu (in a way no one dared to deviate as their own prof is fetching their livelyhood, part of the reason could be the kings or brahmins who dictated). slow gaa everything changing, be it the resource, freedom, technology etc. so slow gaa manam kooda change avutunnam survive avadaaniki. alaagey adamantgaa untaam untey antey survive avalem. so survival kosam manishi change avutunnad. jeevanam kosam aa pani yee pani (thatha la pani etc) anakunda yedi chetanaitey adi chestunnad. so caste system based on work anedi just gas now. now we do not need any caste system. but yee system advantagegaa teesukoni politicians battakadutunnar. నన్ను ఇన్వాల్వు చేయకండి సార్ | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 6418 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
@Pplsuck bro, I am not jumping on to the bandwagon and throwing the weight of utopia ...so u can relax on that innocent stance of mine if you find time, elaborate on this //monnatiwaraku, varna classification is coz of the work they do/or directed to do annaru. How did it become coz of gunas. Laziness gunam wallana shudras were assigned their duties and thus the classification antay vinataaniki vintha gaa undi// | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12964 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.141 Rating: N/A |
"Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 6417 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
@Kamal kalam few things is this "classification from the ideal setting" applicable to current environment leaving the economic factors?- I think NO. genes, yes I agree up to a point. but in my own experience, I have seen amongst siblings , one who really shines through hardwork and talent and others who are just lazy and passing time. When did the so called gunas of this pure gene pool get corrupted? monnatiwaraku, varna classification is coz of the work they do/or directed to do annaru. How did it become coz of gunas. Laziness gunam wallana shudras were assigned their duties and thus the classification antay vinataaniki vintha gaa undi | ||
| Pplsuck Comedian Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 1817 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.239.247.178 Rating: N/A |
I will once try to be nice and post my thoughts on this........may be later today....but looks like no need to do that with vjavasi covering it pretty much the way I look at things....... vjavasi, Great job dude with a nice insight into things.......there were a couple of other things you said earlier pretty much in line with how I view things..... Humpty, think in these lines.....look at today's world.....don't fall for media and hyperbole........is there equality?......is there a difference b/n kid born in africa to a kid born in america?...........is there a diff when kid is born rich and not rich?........are there exceptions, where a rickshaw wallah kid becomes stinking rich? ofcourse.......is there an inherent advantage for a kid born into doctor's family than to kid born into low middle class uneducated family? the boon and bane of today's world is the availability of media.......most of us always gets lost in the stories.....and believe in the so called "all are equal......" romantic crap......although the reality right in front of eyes doesn't show any equality whatsoever....... BTW, I think there ain't many brahmans today as it was meant to be.......those people fighting for brahmins is just another group of people........and most of them are so degenerate......that they boast of eating meat, drinking, smoking and all other shxit to feel part of the crowd........what can they do anyway?.....fighting for their share of limited resources.........fights are inevitable when every one wants a big piece where the cake itself is small....... more later as needed.........keep the thread in a way to make the curios eager to learn........hope nobody gets cocky as they belong to the most accepted clan of "Liberals"....... | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12960 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.140 Rating: N/A |
let me tell you how .. with my little understanding .. 1) genes 2) environment .. in an ideal puranic/vedic age setting .. each "guna"/characteristic sustains in only specific environments and castes by and large are a representation / classification of the same "gunas" .. These patterns are identified the same way modern science identified some traits like .. caucasians are blonde .. colored people are more athletic etc etc .. those were physical traits .. and these classifications are more deeper and establish a pattern of mental psyche .. more often than not on the lines of caste .. "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 19763 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 206.208.231.61 Rating: N/A |
bhaley kamedy undhi gaa..... oka sect of people ni side chesi brain wash chestha untey inka desire ekkada nundi osthadhi thokkalodhi.... slavery abolish cheyyakapothey obama kurrod ingaa farming cheskuntoo undey vadu white mans farm lo....abolish chesindru even though he is black he got the desire to become a king.... some dumbfcker designed that casette system anukuntu untanu | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 12959 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 130.36.62.140 Rating: |
very well written brother .. ee statement ki aithe I agree 101% .. may be .. here and there exceptions undachu ee pai statement ki .. but if a rule can be formed .. it obviously will be this .. 5 stars ..
I think .. you are rubbing salt to many wounds .. btw .. I remember .. you said something .. why is God all-pervading etc etc .. in one of the threads 2-3 weeks ago .. and that question was pestering me all since .. and thanks for posing that question .. I think I am understanding more and more of what you meant .. you have good knowledge bro .. take a bow ! "Each nation has an identity and destiny. As far as Bharat is concerned, Hindu is its identity and religion is its way of working" - Swami Vivekananda "Embracing Islam or Christianity would have meant going away from the cultural soil of India, which I do not wish to do." - Dr. B.R. Ambedkar | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2128 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
i don't say caste as it is today...but definitely from parents and they do have lineage
i used to think like that...not any more...we can't become anything we want
with research in genes.....i think there is some logic in it | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 11097 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
it is the interpretations that need to change -- correct...i agree... but leaving this to interpretation is what worries me.... oka level up lo.....classifications lo refinement ani andukey anna but ....we are on the same plane i think... A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. -- Mitch Radcliffe | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 11096 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
just being born in some sect does not mean you have inherited intelligence or just plain laziness - logically how can you reason this --- also if you apply reverse of this.... how can we associate the greatness to the people who is not worth it even if they are born in so called high sects.... naa uddesam.....arhatha leni vaadu antey... sect lo puttani vaada? sect lo putti kooda....paniki rani/ pani seyani vaada? A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. -- Mitch Radcliffe | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 6415 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
/with changing times.....the old classifications need some refinement anukunta// IMO the classifications are not so bad that they need refinement, it is the interpretations that need to change | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 6414 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
@vjavasi I cannot come to terms with if some purana says that people imbibe gunas based on which caste they are born into hard-work , talent combined a human being can achieve anything leaving physical traits apart.. just being born in some sect does not mean you have inherited intelligence or just plain laziness - logically how can you reason this? | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2127 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
i inheirted a number of traits and habits from parents apart from my physical features | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 11092 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
ee caste lo puttinodiki eee qualities vuntaayi ani assume cheskovadam kannaaa... ee qualities vunnodu.. ee category ki chendutaadu ani classify cheyyadam better in my opinion. --- well said.... actual ga ilagey....classify chesi untaru.... follow matram reverse lo avuthunnaru.....for convenience..... with changing times.....the old classifications need some refinement anukunta... just my opinion... A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. -- Mitch Radcliffe | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2123 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 98.193.70.249 Rating: N/A |
idi konchem elaborate cheyyandi hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2126 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
can you be more specific brother...my presentation is based on puranas,itihasaas and experience | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Side Hero Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 6406 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
//Brahmans - they are supposed to have predominant sattva nature, they are descendants of rishis (saptarshis) Kshatriyas - mix of sattva and rajo,descendants of solar and lunar dynasties with sun and moon as moola purushas(surya vamsam and chandra vamsham) Vaishyas - predominant rajo guna shudras - predominant tamo guna // //So, at present if we have to classify society according to vedic standards every body is a sudhra with tamasic inclinations. // bhalay comedies unnayi gaaa...sorry to say this, I am not an expert on whatever you are reading, but from your views I can say either you are reading the wrong stuff or understanding it the wrong way. @Saughmraat correst gaa seppinaaav bro | ||
| Methhanithodugu Side Hero Username: Methhanithodugu Post Number: 2776 Registered: 12-2008 Posted From: 59.93.67.13 Rating: N/A |
In Todays Globalized World we have to be more Relevant -CAST is just a Life Style Commonality...IMO Methhani-thodugu- SOFTWEAR ~ SOFTWARE | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2125 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
nature anedhi kontha inherit avutundhi anukuntunna....i experience it ... | ||
| Rowdy Side Hero Username: Rowdy Post Number: 2121 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 98.193.70.249 Rating: N/A |
this is BS ... IMO hindus kani, kammas kani, Ramoji kani easy targets kabatti, veella meeda paduthunnaru. - N_U | ||
| Saughmraat Junior Artist Username: Saughmraat Post Number: 382 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 122.183.65.2 Rating: N/A |
ee caste lo puttinodiki eee qualities vuntaayi ani assume cheskovadam kannaaa... ee qualities vunnodu.. ee category ki chendutaadu ani classify cheyyadam better in my opinion. what im trying to say is caste should not be inherited.. it should be based on a person's behaviour | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2122 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
above sentece should be Kritayugam - Everyone in kritayuga was a paramahamsa with satvva guna, no varna classification existed | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 2121 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: |
my views on chatur varna(caste) Caste has its roots in three gunas of nature satva, rajo and tamo guna and karma. entire nature is comprised of these three gunas Lord himself created caste system based on guna and karma. In Gita krishna says "Chatur varnam maya sristam guna karma vibhagashaha" In the same gita krishna also explains the qualities of these gunas, broadly the characteristics are Satvva guna - purity, serenity and intelligence Rajo guna - action and desire Tamo guna - dullness or inertia Since humans are part of nature they have one of the three gunas or their combinations dominating them, based on this chatur varna system came into existence Brahmans - they are supposed to have predominant sattva nature, they are descendants of rishis (saptarshis) Kshatriyas - mix of sattva and rajo,descendants of solar and lunar dynasties with sun and moon as moola purushas(surya vamsam and chandra vamsham) Vaishyas - predominant rajo guna shudras - predominant tamo guna Role of Brahmans and Kshatriyas in different Yugas: I wan't to discuss specifically about brahmans and kshatriyas since they guided the society Kritayugam - Everyone in tretayuga was a paramahamsa with satvva guna, no varna classification existed Tretayugam - varna system came into existense, duties prescribed for different varnas Brahmins - conducting yagnas and yagas based on vedas for the well being of society, study of vedas following guru-shishya parampara, enquiring about self and supreme being Comments: vedas are not like written logical information in phyiscs or maths text books, they were mantras chanted in a specific way to get desired results. they cannot be written down. they were memorized and passed from one generation to other orally. This vedic knowledge is like spiritual technology that need a medium of sattva guna consciousness to operate, so brahmans followed certain rules and life style to become that medium. since the process require high levels of concentration and memory they were trained from a early age, they used spend their lifetime in sadhana and austerity for the betterment of universe (loka kalyanam ) As i mentioned above brahmins in this yuga were descedents of rishis(saptarshis), saatvic nature and knowledge of rishis was passed down to brahmanas by heriditary and training. with their austerity, knowledge and brahma teja they were naturally respected by society Kshatriyas - descendants of sun and moon, Apart from training in weapons and some sections of vedas they were also trained in all aspects of dharma, governance and arts. They also inherited qualities of their ancestors by hereditary and training. they were trained in gurukulas along with brahmins Dwaparayugam - Varna system continued in this yuga, some abherrations creeped in towards the end of Yuga Brahmins : some of them deviated from varna ashrama rules, started misusing their powers and assisted kshatriyas in war (Ex: Dronacharya, kripacharya and ashwathama participated in war, a brahmin boy cursed maharaja parikshit in haste to show off his newly aquired powers) kshatriyas: towards the end of the yuga some of them deviated form dharma and became egoistic Kaliyuga - we are in this yuga, With confusion and lack of clarity Varna system lost its meaning and purpose, Brahmans : They gradually lost vedic knowledge and Brahma teja, at present there is no significant vedic knowledge left. what is available today is the record of civilization in the previous yugas in the form of puranas and itihasaas. During the course of this yuga at different stages some extraordinary personalities like shankararamanuja, madhwa came in and simplified the process of worship and self realization to suit this yuga. With loss of Brahma teja some of them started demanding respect instead of commanding respect kshatriyas : They completely deviated from dharma lost their kshatram, started harassing and looting weaker sections of society In conclusion at present there are no significant differences between different varnas, Brahmans left their traditional learning and started learning foreign languages and philosophies.they are now more proud of their english, physics and math learning than the knowledge of their forefathers. Similarly all other varnas are competeing with brahmans in foreign learning leaving their traditionl knowledge systems and occupations. So, at present if we have to classify society according to vedic standards every body is a sudhra with tamasic inclinations. Spiritual technologies are replaced by gross material technologies and we don't know how long this will go on, going by current indications human society is at all time low |
