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Ishan
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Vjavasi:

why the single omnipresnt self has to simultaneously indulge in this world and also be seperate from it


Its a game...that's all. no other reason...nothing but a game...there is no other purpose for it. He creates illusion... divides himself in to pieces... make those pieces play with each other...he is behind all the pieces... he IS all the pieces.
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Ishan:

pleasure and pain are not two different things. one can not exist with out the other. Pain exists because there is pleasure. When pleasure vanishes, pain vanishes. These are all just words...the levels of perception...classifications created by our mind. when there is a ripple, there is crest and there is trough. when there is positive, there will be negative. mind can not work with out classification. if you go beyond mind, then pleasure and pain both appear the same.




so if there is a crest related to pleasure of eating food in the brain then simultaneously a trough of starving exists.....does that mean for all the pleasure of eating food our mind has to go through the pain of starving to even it out......i agree this world is full of opposites, but why the single omnipresnt self has to simultaneously indulge in this world and also be seperate from it
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Masularex:

I think, no new signals are created in dreams, our mind only processes already stored data (images sounds and remaining senses)... what we think a entirely new image in our dreams..is actually already stored data. because our memory is so deep and accurate it records every thing, our consious mind can't keep track of that enormous data. One thing I noticed, our memory records all senses simultaneously. That is why at a particular smell, you remember a certain sound or music and so on. Mind can't creat new signals that's why a blind man(from birth)never experiences images in his dreams.




but the stored data is converted to signals again and is processed by different centers of brain ....i think the final process is same
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Vjavasi:

.why should single existence be part of both pain and pleasure......we know there is terrible pain in this world


pleasure and pain are not two different things. one can not exist with out the other. Pain exists because there is pleasure. When pleasure vanishes, pain vanishes. These are all just words...the levels of perception...classifications created by our mind. when there is a ripple, there is crest and there is trough. when there is positive, there will be negative. mind can not work with out classification. if you go beyond mind, then pleasure and pain both appear the same.
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Vjavasi:

if these signals are generated inside brain without external stimulai then a person can see, hear,smell, taste without using his external organs....this happens in our dreams and i think it's the same case with psycological disorders...


I think, no new signals are created in dreams, our mind only processes already stored data (images sounds and remaining senses)... what we think a entirely new image in our dreams..is actually already stored data. because our memory is so deep and accurate it records every thing, our consious mind can't keep track of that enormous data. One thing I noticed, our memory records all senses simultaneously. That is why at a particular smell, you remember a certain sound or music and so on. Mind can't creat new signals that's why a blind man(from birth)never experiences images in his dreams.
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Ishan:



Vjavasi:


you mean to say he is simultaneously ignorant and enlightened....he manifests as ignorant among ignorant and enlightened among enlightened



Yes.





how can we club everything into one single existence(self) and explain the opposites like....pleasure ,pain,ignorance,enlightment....why should single existence be part of both pain and pleasure......we know there is terrible pain in this world
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Vjavasi:



you mean to say he is simultaneously ignorant and enlightened....he manifests as ignorant among ignorant and enlightened among enlightened


Yes.
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Ishan:

he is the ignorant and he is the enlightened





you mean to say he is simultaneously ignorant and enlightened....he manifests as ignorant among ignorant and enlightened among enlightened
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Vjavasi:

can he become ignorant again?


ignorant about what...if u r experincing into yourself u r total oblivious about the world....
It is easy to float along with a smile when life is as sweet as a song, but a man worthwhile is one with a smile when everything goes dead wrong" - S.N. Goenka
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Vjavasi:


you mean to say he is experiencing himself...can he become ignorant again?


yes...he is experiencing himself in all manifestations...he is the ignorant and he is the enlightened
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Ishan:

that he is beyond pleasure and pain and the object he is experiencing is he himself!






you mean to say he is experiencing himself...can he become ignorant again?
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Vjavasi:


what is it's true nature that it's ignorant


that he is beyond pleasure and pain and the object he is experiencing is he himself!
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Ishan:

its true nature





what is it's true nature that it's ignorant
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Vjavasi:

what exactly original consciousness is ignorant of?


its true nature
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Ishan:

because of ignorance or avidya





what exactly is this ignorance?.. or ..what exactly original consciousness is ignorant of?...
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Rekkadithe_gani_dokkadadhu:

eedeveadu?


oops MSN babai
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Vjavasi:

how the original consciousness transforms to the ego level


because of ignorance or avidya
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Raman:

MVs


eedeveadu?
It is easy to float along with a smile when life is as sweet as a song, but a man worthwhile is one with a smile when everything goes dead wrong" - S.N. Goenka
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Vjavasi:




Which part or area of that person?


adedo cinmalo MVs sunil ni nuvvevaru ani adugutu untadu kiki
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Vjavasi:

philosophically false ego is not the final destination...what blocks or insulates the real ego from the experiences of false ego....





another way to put it is how the original consciousness transforms to the ego level
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Ishan:

Philosophically - that person himself. Its the consciousness - at the level of ego or ahamkara





philosophically false ego is not the final destination...what blocks or insulates the real ego from the experiences of false ego....
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for example take a chemical reaction...carbon burns with oxygen....it's interaction between two atoms....does the process generate feelings of sorrow or joy as byproducts apart from co2
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Vjavasi:

Which part or area of that person?


Philosophically - that person himself. Its the consciousness - at the level of ego or ahamkara. Biologically - there are different areas in the brain for each sensory perception.
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Vjavasi:

Which part or area of that person?


http://www.howstuffworks.com/pc.htm
same way..
It is easy to float along with a smile when life is as sweet as a song, but a man worthwhile is one with a smile when everything goes dead wrong" - S.N. Goenka
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Ishan:

It is that person.





Which part or area of that person?
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Vjavasi:

What exactly is the object that sees,...laughs,cries in a person?


It is that person.
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Vjavasi:


emaindi babau neeku Suddenga ilanti thread esavu? naaku shake avutondi..
Calling Mental & anand help me
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high command :D
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laughs,cries in a person?


i have seen new born babies laughing and weeping closing their eyes.....sound and light just stimulate respective organs to generate electric signals...these signals are processed by designated areas of brain..what is the ultimate object that is effected by these signals....the object that either enjoys or suffers these signals....if these signals are generated inside brain without external stimulai then a person can see, hear,smell, taste without using his external organs....this happens in our dreams and i think it's the same case with psycological disorders...all kinds of external waves or stimulus have to be converted to electro-chemical signals for us to experience...in that sense sound wave is not something that is original....even sound is a electro-chemical phenomenon....Does evrything in the world boils down to interaction of fundamental particles with the final destination or object?

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