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Ishan
Side Hero Username: Ishan
Post Number: 5153 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.186.85
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 07:37 pm: |
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Vjavasi:why the single omnipresnt self has to simultaneously indulge in this world and also be seperate from it
Its a game...that's all. no other reason...nothing but a game...there is no other purpose for it. He creates illusion... divides himself in to pieces... make those pieces play with each other...he is behind all the pieces... he IS all the pieces. |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 4447 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 07:30 pm: |
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Ishan:pleasure and pain are not two different things. one can not exist with out the other. Pain exists because there is pleasure. When pleasure vanishes, pain vanishes. These are all just words...the levels of perception...classifications created by our mind. when there is a ripple, there is crest and there is trough. when there is positive, there will be negative. mind can not work with out classification. if you go beyond mind, then pleasure and pain both appear the same.
so if there is a crest related to pleasure of eating food in the brain then simultaneously a trough of starving exists.....does that mean for all the pleasure of eating food our mind has to go through the pain of starving to even it out......i agree this world is full of opposites, but why the single omnipresnt self has to simultaneously indulge in this world and also be seperate from it |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 4446 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 07:20 pm: |
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Masularex:I think, no new signals are created in dreams, our mind only processes already stored data (images sounds and remaining senses)... what we think a entirely new image in our dreams..is actually already stored data. because our memory is so deep and accurate it records every thing, our consious mind can't keep track of that enormous data. One thing I noticed, our memory records all senses simultaneously. That is why at a particular smell, you remember a certain sound or music and so on. Mind can't creat new signals that's why a blind man(from birth)never experiences images in his dreams.
but the stored data is converted to signals again and is processed by different centers of brain ....i think the final process is same |
   
Ishan
Side Hero Username: Ishan
Post Number: 5152 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.186.85
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 06:53 pm: |
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Vjavasi:.why should single existence be part of both pain and pleasure......we know there is terrible pain in this world
pleasure and pain are not two different things. one can not exist with out the other. Pain exists because there is pleasure. When pleasure vanishes, pain vanishes. These are all just words...the levels of perception...classifications created by our mind. when there is a ripple, there is crest and there is trough. when there is positive, there will be negative. mind can not work with out classification. if you go beyond mind, then pleasure and pain both appear the same. |
   
Masularex
Junior Artist Username: Masularex
Post Number: 162 Registered: 05-2010 Posted From: 117.195.160.255
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 06:09 pm: |
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Vjavasi:if these signals are generated inside brain without external stimulai then a person can see, hear,smell, taste without using his external organs....this happens in our dreams and i think it's the same case with psycological disorders...
I think, no new signals are created in dreams, our mind only processes already stored data (images sounds and remaining senses)... what we think a entirely new image in our dreams..is actually already stored data. because our memory is so deep and accurate it records every thing, our consious mind can't keep track of that enormous data. One thing I noticed, our memory records all senses simultaneously. That is why at a particular smell, you remember a certain sound or music and so on. Mind can't creat new signals that's why a blind man(from birth)never experiences images in his dreams. |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 4445 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 05:28 pm: |
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Ishan: Vjavasi: you mean to say he is simultaneously ignorant and enlightened....he manifests as ignorant among ignorant and enlightened among enlightened Yes.
how can we club everything into one single existence(self) and explain the opposites like....pleasure ,pain,ignorance,enlightment....why should single existence be part of both pain and pleasure......we know there is terrible pain in this world |
   
Ishan
Side Hero Username: Ishan
Post Number: 5150 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.186.85
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 04:38 pm: |
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Vjavasi: you mean to say he is simultaneously ignorant and enlightened....he manifests as ignorant among ignorant and enlightened among enlightened
Yes. |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 4443 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 03:58 pm: |
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Ishan:he is the ignorant and he is the enlightened
you mean to say he is simultaneously ignorant and enlightened....he manifests as ignorant among ignorant and enlightened among enlightened |
   
Rekkadithe_gani_dokkadadhu
Side Hero Username: Rekkadithe_gani_dokkadadhu
Post Number: 2444 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 165.95.11.9
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 03:54 pm: |
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Vjavasi:can he become ignorant again?
ignorant about what...if u r experincing into yourself u r total oblivious about the world.... It is easy to float along with a smile when life is as sweet as a song, but a man worthwhile is one with a smile when everything goes dead wrong" - S.N. Goenka |
   
Ishan
Side Hero Username: Ishan
Post Number: 5149 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 03:51 pm: |
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Vjavasi: you mean to say he is experiencing himself...can he become ignorant again?
yes...he is experiencing himself in all manifestations...he is the ignorant and he is the enlightened |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 4442 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 03:47 pm: |
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Ishan:that he is beyond pleasure and pain and the object he is experiencing is he himself!
you mean to say he is experiencing himself...can he become ignorant again? |
   
Ishan
Side Hero Username: Ishan
Post Number: 5145 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 03:32 pm: |
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Vjavasi: what is it's true nature that it's ignorant
that he is beyond pleasure and pain and the object he is experiencing is he himself! |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 4440 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 03:28 pm: |
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Ishan:its true nature
what is it's true nature that it's ignorant |
   
Ishan
Side Hero Username: Ishan
Post Number: 5144 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 03:25 pm: |
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Vjavasi:what exactly original consciousness is ignorant of?
its true nature |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 4439 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 03:23 pm: |
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Ishan:because of ignorance or avidya
what exactly is this ignorance?.. or ..what exactly original consciousness is ignorant of?... |
   
Raman
Junior Artist Username: Raman
Post Number: 789 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 03:21 pm: |
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Rekkadithe_gani_dokkadadhu:eedeveadu?
oops MSN babai |
   
Ishan
Side Hero Username: Ishan
Post Number: 5143 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 03:15 pm: |
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Vjavasi:how the original consciousness transforms to the ego level
because of ignorance or avidya |
   
Rekkadithe_gani_dokkadadhu
Side Hero Username: Rekkadithe_gani_dokkadadhu
Post Number: 2442 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 165.95.11.9
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 03:15 pm: |
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Raman:MVs
eedeveadu? It is easy to float along with a smile when life is as sweet as a song, but a man worthwhile is one with a smile when everything goes dead wrong" - S.N. Goenka |
   
Raman
Junior Artist Username: Raman
Post Number: 788 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 03:11 pm: |
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Vjavasi: Which part or area of that person?
adedo cinmalo MVs sunil ni nuvvevaru ani adugutu untadu kiki |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 4438 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 03:10 pm: |
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Vjavasi:philosophically false ego is not the final destination...what blocks or insulates the real ego from the experiences of false ego....
another way to put it is how the original consciousness transforms to the ego level |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 4437 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 03:03 pm: |
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Ishan:Philosophically - that person himself. Its the consciousness - at the level of ego or ahamkara
philosophically false ego is not the final destination...what blocks or insulates the real ego from the experiences of false ego.... |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 4436 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 02:59 pm: |
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for example take a chemical reaction...carbon burns with oxygen....it's interaction between two atoms....does the process generate feelings of sorrow or joy as byproducts apart from co2 |
   
Ishan
Side Hero Username: Ishan
Post Number: 5141 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.106.234
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 02:57 pm: |
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Vjavasi:Which part or area of that person?
Philosophically - that person himself. Its the consciousness - at the level of ego or ahamkara. Biologically - there are different areas in the brain for each sensory perception. |
   
Rekkadithe_gani_dokkadadhu
Side Hero Username: Rekkadithe_gani_dokkadadhu
Post Number: 2439 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 165.95.11.9
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 02:54 pm: |
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Vjavasi:Which part or area of that person?
http://www.howstuffworks.com/pc.htm same way.. It is easy to float along with a smile when life is as sweet as a song, but a man worthwhile is one with a smile when everything goes dead wrong" - S.N. Goenka |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 4434 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 02:52 pm: |
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Ishan:It is that person.
Which part or area of that person? |
   
Ishan
Side Hero Username: Ishan
Post Number: 5140 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.107.38
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 02:47 pm: |
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Vjavasi:What exactly is the object that sees,...laughs,cries in a person?
It is that person. |
   
Raman
Junior Artist Username: Raman
Post Number: 787 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 02:32 pm: |
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Vjavasi:
emaindi babau neeku Suddenga ilanti thread esavu? naaku shake avutondi.. Calling Mental & anand help me |
   
Raman
Junior Artist Username: Raman
Post Number: 786 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 02:31 pm: |
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high command  |
   
Vjavasi
Side Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 4433 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 02:28 pm: |
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laughs,cries in a person? i have seen new born babies laughing and weeping closing their eyes.....sound and light just stimulate respective organs to generate electric signals...these signals are processed by designated areas of brain..what is the ultimate object that is effected by these signals....the object that either enjoys or suffers these signals....if these signals are generated inside brain without external stimulai then a person can see, hear,smell, taste without using his external organs....this happens in our dreams and i think it's the same case with psycological disorders...all kinds of external waves or stimulus have to be converted to electro-chemical signals for us to experience...in that sense sound wave is not something that is original....even sound is a electro-chemical phenomenon....Does evrything in the world boils down to interaction of fundamental particles with the final destination or object? |