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     Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 15590 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 155.94.110.223 Rating: N/A |
with so much of discussion on morality ending up with the conclusion as that it was a tool invented as a need for survival .. I want to post a few lines of my guru Sirivennala's take on human "survival" .. Champanide bathakavani .. bathikenduku champamani .. namminche adavini adigem laabham bathike daretani ?? samharam sahajamani .. sahavasam swapnamani .. tarkinche teliviki telisenaa tane tana satruvani ?? If only survival was paramount, many of us would have/should have been killed as there are so many powerful creatures on earth which have the power to eliminate human species .. not just now .. since time immemorial .. life is a game played on the rules of dharma .. in my view and even animals, beasts adhere to that and thats the sole reason why we are still surviving !
awesome .. take a bow ! "We have, I think, developed an inferiority complex. I think what is needed in India today is the destruction of that defeatist spirit. We need a spirit of victory, a spirit that will carry us to our rightful place under the sun". - C.V. Raman | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 306 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.37 Rating: N/A |
rules would never be able to regulate human behaviour. at whatever level rules are framed, there would still be a significant scope that human being can act on their own without seemingly breaking the rules. So, this said, when it comes to social systems, while other things are equal or even otherwise, is the development of nations a factor of the quality of it's people in terms morality? the development can be quality of living in all respects not only economical prosperity. are there any correlation studies on the "development of nations and the personal values of it's people" ? do you see possible correlates? | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 305 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.36 Rating: N/A |
To summarize some of the discussion happened here.... 1) Morality as an innate quality or one of the traits of humans -- could be so. evolution could have endowed us with this quality to maximize the survival by cooperation and sharing. 2) Morality is cultural. it is taught and learned -- could be so...with an eye to avoid conflict and mutual benefit hmmm....i think i must be missing something else... | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 304 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.34 Rating: N/A |
morality might definitely be due to the act of conditioning the brain/mind for smooth running of the society. but morals/rules can more be abode by or upheld when they are congenial to human instincts,human emotions;though in fact morals are to regulate and channelize human instincts in the ways that they can be gratified in more amiably. the degree of the conditioning possible would depend on the genetic and physiological disposition of individuals. | ||
| Onlooker Junior Artist Username: Onlooker Post Number: 981 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 12.184.71.130 Rating: N/A |
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| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 4852 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.186.85 Rating: N/A |
Not may be -its true. Take that as a compliment, you deserve it for that post. lol...this is so typical of you! anyways, read my post until you understand it - you will get there eventually. A hint -Nature and choice don't need to be mutually exclusive. I got no time to explain you the fundamentals of evolution of morality and altruism in animals, but get this - any animal species which live in groups have evolved to be less self-centric and more group oriented. You see less examples of them in non-chordates, but as evolution of CNS took leaps in mammals, you see lots and lots of examples in them. Monkeys, dogs, elephants, racoons, wild dogs and even wolves etc are typical examples. In humans, besides genetic ingredients, reason and discretion also play roles. Regarding individual differences in human morality levels, a book can be written. Some times you have no idea of what you are typing about, do you? Huh??? Neways, i am out of this thread - you guys have fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Weah5XlW8 | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7695 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.174.176.93 Rating: N/A |
Well said ... One thing I would disagree on though  People here are confusing compassion with morality Compassion is an inbuilt trait- it has physical basis...among others,the amount of oxytocin your brain produces The brain can be trained to produce more of these hormones - but that is still training. Morality defines boundaries on compassion and classifies and who deserves compassion and who does not Like "apatra danam cheyyaradu" or the whole raison d'etre of Bhagavad Gita - to clamp down Arjuna's compassion for the enemy by putting duty over compassion Maybe
Care to explain the contradiction in the above two statements ? Does nature of being able to sacrifice trump choice in morality ? Did it evolve in a subset of the species thus defining the "nature" of a person willing to self-sacrifice ? If so,what do you think drove that selective evolution ? If not- then every inidividual should have the same "nature" why the difference in the previous post I quoted : I think you underestimate the power of "feeling good about ourselves " of thedeferred benefits of karma, of the gates of heaven versus hell So how much immorality is kosher ? I have asked a lot of questions- you decide whether you want to respond to a self-centred narcissitic lunatic aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 4850 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.186.85 Rating: |
Its a different issue. Morality is strictly a subjective issue at individual level. Its impossible to extend and implement the idea at group levels. There is a difference in liking the idea of morality and liking morality. Most of the group members or followers like the idea and hence the degeneration. Its not an easy thing to be moral ! btw, i am surprised that you included nazism in your list. Any socio-biologist would clearly say that morality as in acts of self-sacrifice was evolved as a force much needed for the survival of a species and society. I have no problems in agreeing with it. That's why I quoted the examples of cow and bee. However, I vehemently oppose the idea that morality is for self-gratification at an individual level. Everybody gets such training - but only few engage in such activities. why? Because training is just an external suggestion. Unless that suggestion connects with your internal feeling and/or reason, you wouldn't act. Also, an earthquake in Haiti motivated millions of people around the world to donate money and labor to the victims. Do you really think all those people acted just because of societal brainwashing and training? may be few, but all?? they made a conscious decision based on compassion and reason. who cares if a few thousand people in that poor country die? does society stop working if htey die? Further, what mutual benefit was there? the benefit was just one sided. What did the person who donated that money gain? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Weah5XlW8 | ||
| Bushu Comedian Username: Bushu Post Number: 1004 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 4.26.17.58 Rating: N/A |
that's clearly not the case. the man does that because the society has trained him that's the moral thing to do. a child who does not yet understand compassion - do you think would do that? morality is a concept we evolved over time for mutual benefit and it's ingrained into us through various means. in a similar situation, the early man would have actually left the person to die because that's one less being competing for the same resources. | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 303 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 115.184.29.72 Rating: N/A |
what would you do in the case of wounded person if: 1) you your self hit the person in accident and you would get caught if you stop 2) the injured has a fatal contagious disease 3) it is the attendants responsibility to disprove that he is not guilty/cause of the accident, or the attendant needs to bear the hospital expenses Still, there might be some people who can bear all these and attend the injured. as in other case it may all depend on genetic disposition whether a person is compassionate or not. these kind of people are rare. but i would think in general the reason for compassion is the fact that we are compassionate to/with the situations that would do not or do want ourselves to be in. if your theory is 100% true, the world would have been a much much better place. we say lot of things a lot of sophistry but when it comes to crunch we are not sure how we behave. we can learn how to react in a situation. just our reactions to situations may look polished/controlled/....but in when it really comes to action its more likely that we drive by our emotions and instincts. our self would have its extended part in the form of in-group genetic pool. at times in some situations though it may look like we act selflessly it would be due to in-group bias. it may be not evident though . | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 104 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 76.98.126.13 Rating: N/A |
evari kosamo chese pani vs. mana kosam chese pani lo entha quality difference untundho we see that everyday all around us.. ee basic point ni vadilesi, andaru verevalla kosame pani cheyyatame right ante adi mana moorkhathvame.. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 103 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 76.98.126.13 Rating: N/A |
The crimes done in the name of unselfishness, "common good", etc in the history of mankind are too many to take such general statements seriously: - religious wars - nazism - russian communism - maoism The millions of human count due to each of these unselfish ideologies itself should have taught people something. The moment some act is (or believed to be) done for "unselfish" reasons, the individual self no longer feels responsible for the consequences and all sense of right and wrong is lost. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 4847 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.186.85 Rating: |
The act by itself doesn't matter. Why you made that decision is important. Morality is always defined by whether the act is motivated by unselfish or selfish purposes. Unselfishness is morality and selfishness is immorality, and mutual cooperation is the middle ground. Mutual cooperation is different from morality. When you are walking on a road and see a man bleeding to death, you would immediately do the CPR and take him to the hospital and save his life. Here the first man does not get anything in return, at least he would not think about the return when he plunges in to the action. Society would not stop working if he did not help that other man. He could have just walked away pretending that he never saw him instead of helping him. He does it purely out of compassion. There is no self gratification here. This act is not for the so called 'smooth running' of society. Society would 'run' its natural course. Certain moral acts are ingrained in the genetic code. A cow which is terrified of a tiger would take it heads-on when the tiger tries to kill the cow's calf. Its instinctive - yes its for the sustenance of the species, but the cow is not getting any benefit for its own self. Similarly, worker bees die for the survival of their colony. Sacrifice is something nature taught us through evolution. Its more important so in the evolution of mammals, and particularly ape species which possess high levels of compassion and reason besides instinct. Remember, this word sacrifice is the root cause of existence of all religions in this world. The concept of morality is nothing but selfishness is created by these so called nihilists, who have no idea of what they speak. 2 cents ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4Weah5XlW8 | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 3987 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17 Rating: |
there is this compassion which make people emphathize with others.....it makes people sensitive to other's sufferings.....people respond spontaneously because of this....not everybody does cost-benefit analysis of self before reacting to other's situation......this is the original source of morality....it makes people take risk even at the cost of their own lives to save others | ||
| Desparado Side Hero Username: Desparado Post Number: 2258 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 76.4.96.219 Rating: N/A |
i will neither kill the kiod nor show my team i will Tie the kids mouth with my shirt...and hide with out a shirt  | ||
| Diviseema Side Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 4783 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 117.254.115.160 Rating: |
no second thought , i wont kill My son. many reasons can be given. 1. if we think its immoral to make the group caught for ur sons sake , already its immoral to hide from enemy. vijayamo veera swargamo, let then come and find , we will fight. 2. we dont know if he finds or not. we dont know if our kid stops crying . we dont know if we are found also we may be taken as prisoners inseat of killing. so for the things which we are not certain we cannot effod to kill our child. 3. if i am in group if someother kid is crying , i wont allow his father to kill him. same i will apply to my kid. 4. after killing my kid , do i have garuntee that we were not found or someone else maynot cry or caugh or shout. 5. i never read anywhere that being killed or caught in battle field is sin, but its sin to kill a kid. http://www.rediff.com/sports/2000/jun/26cas.htm | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 302 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 115.184.14.229 Rating: N/A |
A thought experiment i read in experts-exchange. Suppose you are in a battlefield where in your side is lost and you along with a group of people hiding in a place.There is a Kid too in the group. if you guys get caught, you all get killed by the enemy. Suddenly the kid started crying unstoppably. What do you then? 1) Kill the Kid and save yourself and the group 2) Let the enemy notice you guys and kill What do you do if the kid is your son/daughter? | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 301 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.34 Rating: N/A |
The source of morality i would think is self,instincts and emotions. To avoid hurt to the self. you avoid hurting others because you too get hurt if the same happens to you. if you do not know the hurt or emotional damage to your self you would not realize that your deeds may hurt others. it all is conditioned in our mind so we act unconsciously. Agree with Anand's posts. But the basis of cooperation is self gratification.to avoid self extinction you have to cooperate with other's. hence the morality. Anand, you rock . I do not have much to say but saying the same stuff you said in the other terms . | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 4835 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.186.85 Rating: |
Only a self centered narcissistic lunatic would say that a soldier's inspiration comes from brain washing. Human morality is by choice. No one forces to take up that career path. A scientist praising a soldier is not afraid of taking the challenge of military combat, its because his nature does not suit such kind of duty. A scientist's contribution to society is no less compared to a soldier's. | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2148 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.229.92.178 Rating: N/A |
bhale gundi disc....dont have no time now......wish I can get backto this on sunday...... kabaddi kabaddi kabaddi.....hehehehe | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7694 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.174.176.93 Rating: |
The disconnect between your thoughts and mine is this I am not judging environment changes, good or bad the individual/group has to adapt to the environment to ensure survival...
not really - only the max speed limit is the same
Agree - but only when everyone agrees on them - otherwise they only cause more friction
Who knows - a few hundred years ago polygamy and polyandry were moral , today rules changed and they are immoral
No I don't aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 3984 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17 Rating: |
currently persons who lie, steal, rape, kill are just breaking traffic rules....in future the traffic rules may reverse and persons who do these may become heroes and rule followers....good to know | ||
| Onlooker Junior Artist Username: Onlooker Post Number: 933 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 12.184.71.130 Rating: N/A |
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| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 15559 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.0.123.37 Rating: N/A |
ippude .. deniki inko analogy apt emo anipinchindi .. morals are like traffic rules .. yes .. but the traffic rules are same for all the vehicles that travel through that particular terrain .. be it a 1987 Buick or 2007 Porsche Cayenne .. they all must and should, have to maintain same speeds, same rules like lane changes, head lights etc .. in order to have a crash-free travel .. just because the cayenne guy can travel at 120 mph .. if he does not adhere to the traffic rules .. there is a greater possibility of him getting involved in a crash and in the process, you might say it was his personal liberty that he chose to avail .. but he clearly poses a danger/threat to the rest of the commuters on the road beside him !!! I hope I got it right now .. morality and moral standards indeed avoid chaos, troubles and frictions .. "We have, I think, developed an inferiority complex. I think what is needed in India today is the destruction of that defeatist spirit. We need a spirit of victory, a spirit that will carry us to our rightful place under the sun". - C.V. Raman | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 15557 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.0.123.37 Rating: N/A |
I believe .. every action has a good and bad quotient involved .. now .. the same way .. you simply said .. when the environment changes .. you did not mention .. was the change for good or bad .. now let me try to put my thoughts in words .. which in my view needs a bit more emphasis 1) when the environment changes for good, the bad morals automatically disappear .. be it because of peer pressure in the society, sometimes coercive in nature or simply as a matter of influence and appeal of the good itself 2) When the same environment changes towards bad, the good morals that have kept the society frictionless and progressive, as mentioned in your post itself, face an endangering prospect of extinction and most of the times, this is coercive as primarily bad changes are necessarily coercive in nature and do not recognize the collective rights and privileges of the groups involved .. and this in my view is what we are at .. I mostly agree with the other points you made .. especially regarding the upscaling and down scaling of morality w.r.t an individual and societies at large .. a good post explaining your view .. I had to struggle a lot to come up with what I thought was the driver to my earlier posts .. I hope you keep them (ur posts) coming ! "We have, I think, developed an inferiority complex. I think what is needed in India today is the destruction of that defeatist spirit. We need a spirit of victory, a spirit that will carry us to our rightful place under the sun". - C.V. Raman | ||
| Zulu Side Hero Username: Zulu Post Number: 3669 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.68.181.197 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu..arati pandu thokka theesi thinipinchinattu chaala chakkaga explain chesaru. Do you save your posts? If not, you should defintely start doing that..They might come in handy if want to write a book later in life. I have a right to be Happy! | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 4170 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
 Morality is the herd-instinct in an individual - ani Nietzsche selavichaaru.. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 3975 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
why budha recommended eight fold path for enlightment if morality is just for our convenience | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 3974 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: N/A |
that's not mine....all the great books of the world say so....gita says we are eternal.....bible preaches morality to spirituality through ten commandments for spiritual ....as you said even if someone is trying to suppress their survival angst...what is the source of that motivation or morality? | ||
| Bushu Comedian Username: Bushu Post Number: 1002 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 4.26.17.58 Rating: N/A |
that's your belief. from where I stand, that motivation is connected to a physical person or a physical group or at worst an idea that the collective group endorses. morality is just a frame work for the collective to survive and is heavily time dependent. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7682 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
Any tool can be used appropriately and inappropriately. Which is why it is important to understand both sides of anything… Morality is a man-made tool If you do not agree with this and think morality is higher calling dictated by God then ignore the rest of this post As far as I am concerned morality is just a set of guidelines that essentially work as a lubricant to maximise the chances of smooth, frictionless functioning of a group of individuals. Some of these stem from the inherent compassion in a human and others from the need to maintain a congenial relationships within the group. Hence the "share responsibilities and rewards, don't take more than you need, be courteous to others, be fair, treat your neighbor like you want to be treated, don't try to dominate others in the group , group goals are more important than the individual goals," kind of edicts and standards A well functioning group that does not have its individuals at each others throats has a better chance of survival than one which does not – so yes morality is driven by a survival need, the "group survival need" to thrive and procreate and continue. At this level morality has mostly only positive implementation and impacts.Because it puts the group above the individual and lets majority of the individuals thrive in a positive environment…As long as people feel the distribution of responsibilities and rewards is fair the standards and the group will survive. When the environment changes, standards have to evolve with those changes especially,if clinging to outdated standards poses risk to the survival of the group. And most people do this at an individual level without even realizing it , i.e redjust their internal moral template to ensure survival for themselves and their kin - simplest example is embellished resumes- avvi kuuda abaddhale kada Take it up one more level-now we have groups which are at threat, real or perceived, from other groups–each with their own standards of morality. Now these groups are akin to individuals in the previous level fighting for dominance – the same morality that was a lubricant in the previous level becomes the cause for friction at the next. Here you start to see the ugly side of moral righteousness – where compassion is overridden by a need for dominance-and it is perceived as totally "moral", to feed the collective ego of the group-the same ego that was deemed undesirable/immoral at an individual level. Moral standards are like traffic rules- they give you something to drive by - but they are different in different terrains and for different modes of transport – some may carry forward, others may not and we need to be able to adapt accordingly End of a very long lecture  aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 4811 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.186.85 Rating: |
 oh my god!!!From tomorrow on, maximum 7 posts per day. | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 15523 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 24.0.123.37 Rating: |
for all you people who think morality is a tool inappropriately used against an individual to discriminate and for those of you who think morality, in itself, is a card to play superiority, upper hand or whatever .. should actually think of this .. the definition thats in vogue .. not something what u think morality is/was/will be ..
now .. those of you having come up with your own definitions of morality, motives for moral displays and lectures etc etc .. should think about it ... I guess ! if someone is not able to deliver to the societal framework .. whats wrong in helping people out to follow the mainstream society? the trade offs that we are talking here are the same that tellalists, naxalites, drug peddlers, human traffickers and other unwanted fringe elements of the society - use the same card .. personal liberty at the cost of societal morality .. !!! tough choice? huh?? "We have, I think, developed an inferiority complex. I think what is needed in India today is the destruction of that defeatist spirit. We need a spirit of victory, a spirit that will carry us to our rightful place under the sun". - C.V. Raman | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7680 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.174.176.93 Rating: |
Morality is also society's insidious tool to subvert the survival instinct of the individual to maximize the survival chances of the collective How do you convince a guy to stake his life at the border for someone who will sit in the safety of his home when an enemy attacks - you sell the idea of nobility of sacrificing your life for others...we will not go onto combat or send our kids but we will sing the praises of those who do - I question myself why should I expect someone's son or brother to protect my interests- but since it's my survival at stake - and I can get away with words praise- why not - right? Pplsuck's ID says it all aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 3969 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17 Rating: N/A |
but motivation to sacrifice and ideas are neither random nor orginate from vaccume....they are connected to core being...if that core being is eternal then the question of survival doesn't arise | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 998 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 4.26.17.58 Rating: N/A |
and hence their genetic destruction. even a simple sacrifice always has a purpose - survival of some other people or ideas. it's not without a reason. everything revolves around survival, pure and simple. your question in this thread is to buttress your survival angst. | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 3967 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17 Rating: N/A |
the premise for this theory is survival is ultimate goal for humanity....it may be true for day to day lives of vast majority....but there are examples in the history of mankind when even simple human beings sacrificed their lives for the sake of truth and morality...... | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 996 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 4.26.17.58 Rating: N/A |
all human existence is based on a desire to survive. any framework that helps in that survival minimizing the chances for mutually assured destruction is 'morality'. obviously it's relative and varies across cultures and geographies. no sex before marriage is moral in a society that has traditionally been battered by outsiders, hence developed a subconscious fear of the 'other' while in a society that's built on being risky and adventurous, it's perfectly normal and is in fact required since it helps an individual eliminate inferior mates. | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 102 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 76.98.126.13 Rating: N/A |
sustenance of humanity (as in human society) is different from sustenance of a human individual.. a person is bound to the laws of the society so long as he thinks the society is conducive to pursue his wants.. once he thinks he no longer needs the society's help for his individual pursuits, he leaves that society.. think vaanaprastha etc etc.. and here is also where individual freedom comes into picture.. a society too restrictive for individuals to pursue their desires will only regress in the long run.. for lack of creativity and original thinking.. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Onlooker Junior Artist Username: Onlooker Post Number: 914 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 75.221.136.3 Rating: N/A |
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| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 3964 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17 Rating: |
morality anedhi society stable ga vundataniki invent chesina rules kaadhu.....manishini conscience & compassion nundi puttedhi....at a much evolved level satyam importance telisinappudu one may shiver to speak a lie even if he is offered the entire wealth of universe | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 4810 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.186.85 Rating: |
Its an understatement. Morality is the single most important factor for the sustenance of humanity. You take it away for a minute, whole civilization will crumble like a house of play cards. From tomorrow on, maximum 7 posts per day. | ||
| Jujung Junior Artist Username: Jujung Post Number: 101 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 76.98.126.13 Rating: N/A |
If there is no "I want" feeling, we would not have the current human civilization.. all civilization and achievement is the result of this "I want" feeling, unique to humans.. It is just that we struggle to understand what we "really" want.. chasing money, sex, spirituality, etc are all various people's efforts at testing various ways to satisfy themselves.. morality is one of those things which help maximize a society's well-being and bring some order and stability for the individuals to pursue their desires in a relatively safe way.. The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery | ||
| Guriginja Hero Username: Guriginja Post Number: 13077 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 97.81.85.49 Rating: N/A |
 JOHAR YSR.....YSR AMAR RAHE | ||
| Guriginja Hero Username: Guriginja Post Number: 13076 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 97.81.85.49 Rating: N/A |
manam yemi acharinchakunda andaru seppe vaalle ayipovadam.....nenu cheppindhi..nenu nammindhe correct migilina vaallu andaru tappu ane janalu yekkuvayipovadam karanamanukunta....yevadiki vaadu kingu aukovaram..andaru bongulavatam. JOHAR YSR.....YSR AMAR RAHE | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7674 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
Inkonchem analyse cheyyandi aa thought ni Greed of owning something comes from a need to feel superior to others ...Moral righteousness also stems from the same need...both takent to the extremes can be equally destructive because they are based on relative status - "I am better than you", My religion is better than yours, my belief is better than yours - there is no US in either concept.. There is a reason moral standards change across time - because circumstances change Monna evaro bajrang dal thread lo minority teeraka mundu veelu chese panulu emiti annaru - but do you guys realise that 60 years ago, minority teeraka mundu people would have 3 or 4 kids ? Human physiology has not changed in the last 60 years - only the permissible age has ... Are we willing to go back to that tradition and get our children married as they enter puberty to circumvent the risk of them not being able to control hormonal urges ? Are we not asking more of the present generation than was asked of our grandparents ? There is a trade off there...not everyone will be able to dekliver to the increased expectation. Think about it aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Samarasimha Junior Artist Username: Samarasimha Post Number: 396 Registered: 03-2010 Posted From: 38.109.100.66 Rating: N/A |
ee blog chudandi ee writer baga rasadu ..anni accept cheyalenu kani his thought process is just amazing http://rajasekharunivijay.blogspot.com/ RajasaYOdha RajaSekhara JOHAR JOHAR !! http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/anupam_mishra_the_ancient_ingenuity_of_water_harvesting.html | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 15522 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 155.94.110.223 Rating: N/A |
yes .. kaani could not keep it this articulate .. this greed of owning something .. mine ane feeling is too dangerous naa opinion lo .. and divi annattu .. looking inside concept gurinche nenu kuda matladutunna .. thats what one should do ..
Ekam Sat, Viprah bahuda vadhanti ani .. "We have, I think, developed an inferiority complex. I think what is needed in India today is the destruction of that defeatist spirit. We need a spirit of victory, a spirit that will carry us to our rightful place under the sun". - C.V. Raman | ||
| Onlooker Junior Artist Username: Onlooker Post Number: 877 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 72.101.100.253 Rating: N/A |
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| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2144 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.229.92.178 Rating: N/A |
kamal, People always have ways with words....and words are just that.....words....don't get lost in them....and don;t let the focus drift...... See its hard to discuss truth, morality and anything that is normally considered a good thing....."Rama" antey boothu maata in toay's world......but you can give them a little twist.......call it "Dharma" and "karma"........you will have the leeway to explain to the dumbest dumber in their own way.... End of the day, that is the bottomline..."Dharma and Karma"..... | ||
| Pplsuck Side Hero Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 2143 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.229.92.178 Rating: N/A |
Knowing 'I' is different from "I want I want I want".......I think when kamal said 'I I I', he meant 'I want"..... at least thats what it meant to me in the context he posted it.....oka jignaasa tho "I I I" ani "I" gurinchi telusukuni andarilo "I" ni choosukodam is probably different from getting lost in the "I want" greed cycle totally forgetting the "I" part......if any they seem like running away from each other and towards opposite ends... may be it is all different paths leading to same destination/result...like the heck I know.... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7673 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: |
Good posts How's the little one doing ?aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Onlooker Junior Artist Username: Onlooker Post Number: 864 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 72.100.35.135 Rating: N/A |
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| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 7672 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Ivvi eppudu subjective e - they are always dependent on the times and circumstance Chinna example... Abadham cheppakudadu ani peddalu annaru - but aa peddale vanda abbadhalu cheppi ayina pelli cheyyamannaru So is lying right or wrong ? or is "morality" dependent on the cost benefit analysis of the act ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 3941 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17 Rating: N/A |
also it works in tha other way too....people become insensitive to the plight of other fellow beings in their vicinity and area since money can get them anything across the globe....they are not dependent on the local factors....so they don't care much about farmer suicides in their area....pockets of abundance exist in a sea of misery....this is the reality of advance modern world | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 3940 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 75.131.192.17 Rating: N/A |
commnication and mobility plays an important role in a centralised and globalised economy.....these facilitiee help in maintainin big organizations, centralized governments...this will allow handful minority to have huge control over majority....people become very much dependent on these for their livelihood....any broken link anywhere in this global supply chain can impact huge populations even at the opposite end of chain...people are effected by unknown factors which are out of their control....they feel insecure about their future and try to acquire as much as possible when they are in advantage without much concern for morality of their actions....infact they can't even spare time to think about right and wrong.....thus aries moral confusion in individual, family and society at large | ||
| Ishan Side Hero Username: Ishan Post Number: 4794 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.89.186.85 Rating: N/A |
How does this causes moral confusion? | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 15425 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 155.94.110.223 Rating: N/A |
gundelu badukune vadi gurinchi nenekkada matladaanu .. all I am saying .. why is truth, honesty, morality, ethics viewed as not practical??? I hope .. no body comes asking .. why are truth, honesty, morality, ethics to be followed? are they good .. ani ..
nenu liberals ani ekkada annanu mastaru .. right wing/left wing/conservatives/liberals .. andari lo abaddalu aade vaallu untaru .. adultery chesevaallu untaru .. kaani .. right wing/conservatives lo .. ee societal structure (could be religion) ni consider chestoo changes should not lead to "bad" ani nammutaru .. so the % of the bad in the inclinations "may" differ .. vjavasi annai .. sorry for digressing .. mee thread lo akkarleni vishayalu discoing nenu .. poyi lunch tini .. patalu vinta .. ee puta ila fights lo palgonatam istam ledu .. "We have, I think, developed an inferiority complex. I think what is needed in India today is the destruction of that defeatist spirit. We need a spirit of victory, a spirit that will carry us to our rightful place under the sun". - C.V. Raman | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 6866 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 64.103.233.147 Rating: N/A |
kamalai ... correct ee ... first lo mainframes vichala vidiga undevi .. aa tarvatha high end server market ... next generation lo ... Pcs, desktops, application servers anta distributed computing ki moggu chuparu .. ippudu malla VDI, server virtualization anta .. malla server consolidation phase ki eltunnaru .. there is no single point solution ... trend tho patu potha undatame .. | ||
| Film_fan Hero Username: Film_fan Post Number: 13561 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 81.138.131.153 Rating: N/A |
ee pseudo morality enduku follow avvadam??? nijam ni matladi, acharinche dammulu lekapothe manam pasuvula kante heenam .. papam avi kanisam abaddalu aadalevu .. moral high ground teesukovu .. -- gontetti gundelu badesukuney vaadu......nijalu chebthunnatu kadhu brother.....vaadi point matram septhunnattu..... We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. -- Aristotle | ||
| Desparado Side Hero Username: Desparado Post Number: 2223 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 76.4.96.219 Rating: N/A |
Individual ga anna nenu feel ganu tholu mandham gadini...... Ikkada point statyam versus aasatyam kadhu....moral policies enduku maarayi antey naku telisindhi nenu nammedhi cheppa....any culture or any moral policy which is against the very freedom of an individuval or its mind is bound to change or questioned aina meeru enchukunna thalam enti meeru paduthunna paata enti .....first start sesedhi man culture antharinchi pothundhi ani tharuvatha pesodu liberals valla thruth sanipothundhi ani pracharam what yaa??? | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 15424 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 155.94.110.223 Rating: N/A |
I am distinguishing between good and bad .. and yes .. there is a certain good and bad in the world .. and the bad or good I am talking about is not U, me or someone else .. its the collective conscience of the people .. "US" is the key here .. "We have, I think, developed an inferiority complex. I think what is needed in India today is the destruction of that defeatist spirit. We need a spirit of victory, a spirit that will carry us to our rightful place under the sun". - C.V. Raman | ||
| Diviseema Side Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 4779 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 117.254.164.58 Rating: N/A |
//kaani when bad dominates good // see u already made a division. then how is US possible. U are good I am bad. http://www.rediff.com/sports/2000/jun/26cas.htm | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 15422 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 155.94.110.223 Rating: N/A |
its not a matter of I or U .. there is only "US" .. naa drustilo .. kaani when bad dominates good .. lies rules truths (facts) .. this is what we achieve ..
mari inka humanity, evolution lanti pedda maatalu enduku??? ee pseudo morality enduku follow avvadam??? nijam ni matladi, acharinche dammulu lekapothe manam pasuvula kante heenam .. papam avi kanisam abaddalu aadalevu .. moral high ground teesukovu .. individual ga evarini anatledu ee matalu .. excuse me .. if u feel so .. "We have, I think, developed an inferiority complex. I think what is needed in India today is the destruction of that defeatist spirit. We need a spirit of victory, a spirit that will carry us to our rightful place under the sun". - C.V. Raman | ||
| Desparado Side Hero Username: Desparado Post Number: 2222 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 76.4.96.219 Rating: N/A |
avi okkauppudu unna padalu and avi aacharinchina vallani manchi vallu aneytollu...ippudu avi levu unna cheythagani vadi lakshanalu ....chetha gaka manchivadi la migilipovatam kanna chuutu unna samajam lo survive avavali antey neethi ni kuda evolve seyyaka thappadhu..... that in a nut shall is survival of the fittest ki ki ki | ||
| Diviseema Side Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 4777 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 117.254.164.58 Rating: N/A |
kamal garu if there is no I then there is no U. if both are not there what is the defference between truth and lie , good and bad, f an f or marriage. http://www.rediff.com/sports/2000/jun/26cas.htm | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 3934 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: |
only I anukovatam is different from naa family, naa community, naa caste, naa desham....infact the later I is much evolved ani anukuntunna | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 15417 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 155.94.110.223 Rating: N/A |
may be meeku alage kavachu .. from what 'I' know and what 'I' learnt .. there is no "I" in Advaitam .. aa aspect lo cheppaanu .. "We have, I think, developed an inferiority complex. I think what is needed in India today is the destruction of that defeatist spirit. We need a spirit of victory, a spirit that will carry us to our rightful place under the sun". - C.V. Raman | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 3933 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: |
neethi, nijayithi,abbadam adakunda vundatam...ee qualities evolve avvatam ante enti?...i am not concerned about the outward presentation of culture..they do change with time...what about these qualities that constitutes core and soul of culture?....... | ||
| Diviseema Side Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 4776 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 117.254.164.58 Rating: |
kamal garu just opposite chepparu. I anedhe marchipoyaru janam. oka sudugundam lo padi kottukupothunnaru. I is very improtant. I gurinchi alochisthe ela endhuku vuntadhi lokam. To say I love U to any one, any place or any society or any country first know who is I . know urself. love urself. know what u want really. http://www.rediff.com/sports/2000/jun/26cas.htm | ||
| Desparado Side Hero Username: Desparado Post Number: 2221 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 76.4.96.219 Rating: |
Thats called evolution.....Culture , morality and priciples anetivi aakasham nunchi udipadaledhu....unna circumstaces ki unna resources ki convinient ga manshulu erpuparuchukunna culture/priciples.....so alagey as things changed ppl chaged so did the principles...that in a nut shell is evolution.... | ||
| Kamal Hero Username: Kamal Post Number: 15412 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 155.94.110.223 Rating: N/A |
okka post lo sookshmam seppaaru .. its a downward slide since long time now .. prapancham lo fcuk and forget policy ki saana daggara unnaaam .. ade civilization .. ade samskaram/culture .. no society .. no family .. no friends .. all u have to think is I .. I .. I "We have, I think, developed an inferiority complex. I think what is needed in India today is the destruction of that defeatist spirit. We need a spirit of victory, a spirit that will carry us to our rightful place under the sun". - C.V. Raman | ||
| Vjavasi Side Hero Username: Vjavasi Post Number: 3932 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 192.127.94.7 Rating: |
what constitutes morality?.....abbadam cheppakunda vundatama?, neethi ga , nijayitee ga vundatama?....pelliki mundhu srigaram cheyyakunda vundatama?... ippudu prapancha rajakeeya ardhika vyavastha enthavaraku itlanti qualities society lo perigenduku dohadapadutundhi?....infact in my view more than anything else it's the system that's corrupting the human mind and the corrupted human mind inturn is making the system worse...60 years back west lo kooda antha vichalaviditanam ledhu.. what's the genesis of all this moral confusion across the globe?....1) institutionalised greed in the form of capitalism and the insecurity caused by it 2) low human, family and community interactions feeling of rootlessness 3) too much emphasis on freedom without responsibilities 4)improved communication and mobility 5) visual & print media....all these are related to each other and each of these factors have direct or indirect dependency on electricity, gas & goal.....Once these are exhausted or scarce everything will fall back to their right place anukuntunna...the present structure will collapse and local economies and localisation will overtake globalisation anukuntunna..... |
