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     Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 197 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.238.50 Rating: N/A |
Sanyasins wont agree with you  . Krishna showed the way for the dilemma...swim in the ocean of samsara but still dont have to get wet...essence of karma yoga...anyways thats totally a different topic...ee thread already too much digress ayyindi...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7U3OPlREI  | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4918 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
No, its not because of Vivek.. I have seen a couple of cases in my family who got into this "detachment" stuff too early and thought detachment in relationships was the way to enlightenment - turned out to be counter-productive... To understand detachment ,you need to first experience attachment I read a quote from a buddhist monk -" Enlightenment is not a permantant state- it is cycle of illusion, disillusionment and enlightenment" aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 191 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 123.237.217.162 Rating: N/A |
An interesting video: A journey to the center of your mind -- by Vilayanur Ramachandran. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl2LwnaUA-k&feature=channel I did not know him. seems to be a world class researcher from India: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilayanur_S._Ramachandran | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 196 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.238.50 Rating: N/A |
Happy Vinayaka Chavithi and Shiva chaturdi to you and everyone else in this db. n Anand, I really appreciate your genuine concern. Not to get too much in to others matters, I sense you must have had problems in convincing Vivek to get married . That guy was awesome, I have seen people in advaita forums who are really in to these kind of discussions, but Vivek was way beyond them. I am not even close to him . I am happily married and try to balance things in life. Experiences taught me that balance is very important. Its my introvert nature that propels my interest to learn about the mind matters.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7U3OPlREI | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 190 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 123.237.217.162 Rating: N/A |
no electrons, no electricity. energy is embodies in physical matter. there is a source for any form of energy. so even if we equate energy with soul or consciousness -- David Chalmers opined energy is consciousness -- then soul can be viewed as integral property of matter and the self emerges from the structural organization and physical movements of the structures. soul cannot exist as separate entity then. â In the end, we self-perceiving, self-inventing, locked-in mirages are little miracles of self-reference. â â Douglas Hofstadter, I Am a Strange Loop | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 189 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 123.237.217.162 Rating: N/A |
I mean we can understand others only by projecting our concepts/perceptions onto others. for. e.x i can better understand my wife's feelings towards her parents by introspecting my feelings toward my parents. may be i am talking about sympathy or empathy.....or objectively understanding our own subjective feelings and projecting them to others. yes..we cannot subjectively understand others...meaning we cannot feel others | ||
| Sandipus12 Junior Artist Username: Sandipus12 Post Number: 64 Registered: 03-2009 Posted From: 86.26.50.211 Rating: N/A |
Vinayaka chavithi subhakankshalu May Ganesha bring happiness to us all | ||
| Jodhaa Hero Username: Jodhaa Post Number: 10435 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 98.28.107.203 Rating: N/A |
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| Diviseema Side Hero Username: Diviseema Post Number: 2390 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 219.64.129.198 Rating: N/A |
anand garu happy vinayaka chavithi. DIviseema Sky gari FAN | ||
| 2cool Comedian Username: 2cool Post Number: 1406 Registered: 05-2009 Posted From: 174.120.81.194 Rating: N/A |
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| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4916 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.132.195.251 Rating: N/A |
Andariki vinayaka chavithi subhakankshalu Ishan, it always worries me when young guys like you get so a Interested in these topics - I know you reassured me once before on this Nisarga, Introspection may not help us understand others-can someone really understand another?. Where it helps is understanding our own perception of others but then I guess our perception is our reality aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 194 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.238.50 Rating: N/A |
Well, theoretically those levels can be clearly defined. Such clear classification would really help us understanding the dynamics of the human psyche.
I would call that level of consciousness as the mind.
Thats the lowest manifestation of the consciousness...the reflexes guided by the five indriyas. In common sense we categorize them as "animal instincts". Thats the most first manifestation of the soul...they constitute the fundamental forces of hte universe...light, magnetism, electricity, gravity...etc... That depends on the plane of your judgment. From the soul perspective, there is no differnece...from the mind point of view the object is different from the subject i.e. the mind. Yes. As I said above, clear categorization is very important for the understanding of the dynamics of the consciousness.
Depends on the your definition of the consciousness and self. My definition of consciousness ranges from the basic animal instincts i.e. reflex actions to the ultimate soul. Hence, according to me, self is a part of the consciousness. Is there a sense of self in infants? yes. but the consciousness is manifested mostly in the form of reflexes and curiosity in infants. Ego doesn't exist in infants. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7U3OPlREI | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4914 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Have to agree with that - id, ego and superego make some sense - Freudian interpretation of dreamsdoes not work for me either.
Not so sure - If you look at the example of the 3-month old infant I gave , the perception of self starts when a child starts associating his intent to the result - from crying , to moving his/her body , to generating reactions in others I see a direct correlation in the growth of the ego with the amount of control the child perceives as he sees repeatable results to his actions
Perfect analogy and I am coming to suspect,hence the lack of purpose in the lives of people who have annihilated their sense of self
The soul is self sufficient .. let me use another analogy - electricty is self-sufficient.. however it by itself does not effect any change it is when you run it through the physical infrastructure of a bulb that it changes to light Another self sufficient form of energy aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 188 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 123.237.216.174 Rating: N/A |
yes. passion is also desire but i would say may be the ego is in lesser degree. as u said in ur earlier post somewhere the difference is in degree. | ||
| Chinni Junior Artist Username: Chinni Post Number: 134 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 216.195.21.169 Rating: |
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| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 187 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 123.237.216.174 Rating: N/A |
Initially I did not have in Freud's theory in my mind when I started writing of levels of consciousness. but I think that it kind of matches with Freud's theory. I agree with Freud's id, ego, superego stuff but i don't believe in his interpretations of dreams. But I was more interested in finding how would the consciousness be without self and the sense of self. i guess it is like...we would have awareness..we would function more of mechanically.....not sure would knowledge come into picture...knowledge devoid of self would be like just the information on the hard disk of a computer. so this is why i would conceive the functioning of life devoid of self as physical process. perception is the basis of consciousness/self/ego. perceptional process is essentially physical/biological i guess. it is in the higher order processes the self/ego arises.thought process involves in manipulation of the concepts built upon the relations between perceptions. I dont find it convincing and consistent to posit an external entity like soul stuff. because it brings up questions like why would soul require physical infrastructure while it itself would, by definition, be self sufficient. Freud's theory ... the effect of subconscious/unconscious mind on our thought process/psyche/actions vouches for the non-duality i think. | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 186 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 123.237.216.174 Rating: N/A |
yes. there can be. but i think the levels are overlapped ... the boundaries are not well defined and can be crossed over easily. I think what I mean by perception is physical/biological is...for example....physical eye can only capture sensation...the sensation is interpreted only when thought/self/ego whatever it is called comes into picture.whatever comes into its way,eye captures it. it is a physical process. self at this level is very low or dormant. lets consider this.....a very lower level life...lets take very small insects...they invariably move away if we try to move our hand close to them. they might not have any self or the self is insignificant. their consciousness is possibly kind of physical/biological. it might be that the insects move away not because it sensed a threat mentally..it might just be a physical process. when we bring the similar poles of two magnets they repulse each other. does a magnet mentally sense the other!? can we say magnet has self? what I would think is or rather confuse is .....at the perception level..the degree of self is just enough to separate the things from it !!?? self/soul/ego are loosely used and overloaded. actually they represent the same think i guess. more interesting question is can consciousness be there without self. it seems yes. then whats the nature of such a consciousness. is there a sense of self in infants!!? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4913 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Good to see you Are you talking about the multiple levels as defined by Sigmund Freud's structural model of the Psyche - Id (base instincts) , Ego ( practical instincts) and Super-ego..(moralising level)?
Right - and as we grow that sense becomes more and more defined and more removed from the whole
A kid is still learning the cause and effect priniciple - if you have ever watched a baby who is learning to move his hand you will understand what I am saying .. The child wil raise his arm abd look at his fingers in rapt attention as he moves them -he is connecting the cause (his intent) to the effect ( the moving fingers ) ... The look on his face as he makes that discovery is fascinating Kids do what they do for instant gratification for happiness or pleasure aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Powerfull Side Hero Username: Powerfull Post Number: 2798 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 69.197.166.106 Rating: N/A |
So JP, Nanadamuru heros ni like cheste, ee mtraniki kujilee naa? legpulling ki baanevundi kaani disco ki baledu | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 188 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.96.252 Rating: N/A |
Thats a very good question. Soul doesn't see a difference between the object of perception and the perceiver. For it, both are same because both are the extensions or manifestations of the soul itself. Or if you very strictly speak from non-dualistic point of view, there is no color at all, all there is a soul. Perception is programmed on most occasions. We say the color is blue because we were taught it was blue. If I teach a kid that it was red, he would say it is red. Perception of visible universe is the function of the mind subconscious/conscious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7U3OPlREI | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1795 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
that seems a good way to put it, but what does the soul do after observation? physically when we make an observation, intrinsically it means we are perceiving it too right? but does soul pay attention to any results based of an observation, if it is paying attention is it not perceiving? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 187 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.96.252 Rating: N/A |
Actually you are right. He/she was equalizing self to the ego not to the soul. Generally self is equated with the soul... that's why I was a bit confused...my bad. But i think the perceiver is not even ego...its the mind.
I don't consider soul as the perceiver. I consider it as a mere observer. Soul observes the play of ego and mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7U3OPlREI | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1794 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
I am abit confused here, let me reread his post again, I did not think Nisarga mentioned soul as a physical entity which is perishable, I was under the impression that he mentioned perceptive capabilities are physical/biological. I did not mean that soul is the perceptor of the color, i was trying to say the perceptor of the color is a physical/biological entity. the perceptive capabilities of one being(human), and a another being(an animal like dog) are different as they are biologically/physically different, but soul need not be(as per most schools of hinduism). its interesting to ask "is soul the perceptor?", what can a soul percieve is an interesting question. this question has slightly propped up, in the discussion of sankara too? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 186 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.96.252 Rating: N/A |
Are you considering soul as the perceiver of the color? if yes, when you supported Nisarga's statement that soul is a biological entity, do you consider soul as perishable enity which is true in case of all biological things? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7U3OPlREI | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1790 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
well, if we believe in multiple lives, in one life you might be having a physical body with eyes, and in another life you might be blind, in these two lives, though the soul is the same, arent we having two different perceptions? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 185 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.96.252 Rating: N/A |
Yes, the perception of the color and the color itself might be biological and physical, respectively. But how can the perceiver is biological or physical? Are you equating the act of perception with the perceiver? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7U3OPlREI | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1789 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu, This is an interesting statement. that statement itself explains that every indentity has a intrinsic perception of self, which according to you is "ego"? right?
yes it depends on the school of thought, not just these mention, but people coming from a christian, islamic school of thought, they believe in a consciouis effort to merge into the god, who ever they feel is their god. that is the reason for my statement of "choice". it turns out this "choice" is the key in these aspects, as there is not concrete path for many people, they simple chose a path they believe works from them. that is the concept of self. but not everyone agrees that an individual has a choice.
yes, that is the concept of nirvana, but my thinking was along the lines, was the kid seeking a goal with his actions, apart from the instinctive trigger of the action what else is the trigger. is the trigger, the kid is seeking happiness by doing it? from a cause and effect perspective, what is the cause, and what is the effect here. is the cause the action, and the effect happiness. or is the cause the instinctive goal of happiness, and the effect the action?
yes, i undestand that anand garu, the reason I asked Der to look at it subjectively , as our planes of objective arguments do not seem to match.
that was kind of my point to, so is there a chance that a persons affiliation towards the needs in the lower levels be zero or so low that it his objectives in these levels do not matter. ofcourse i do agree that a person without the basic needs will not be able to aim for something bigger. i am just working on the thoughts from Der, a person who has a very wide apetite for the lower level needs different from a person whose lower level needs are very less, and the needs from the higher level is broader. as per you and me, they are not different, as the trigger from the same desire of achieving something. but Der seems to disagree.
what if we expect "A" which gives us happiness, and our result was "B" which gives us sadness, how can we say that person aimed for happiness, are we assuming that he tried since he wanted to be happy, or is there a chance that someone can be try something so he has to see the others sad, whether he is happy or not. this will end up in a circular argument may be, if we start thinking making everyone else unhappy makes him happy.
may be, but i always wondered, and even she could never answer that question for me.
I agree with this thought Nisarga garu, but what is point at which are the boundaries of these levels is not clear to me.
consider the color blue, your perception of it is entirely physical is it not? the perception of the entity at which you are looking at, is physical/biological aspect. Also, is there a role played by "fear" and "sadness" here? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 184 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.238.50 Rating: N/A |
I would add a third level called Intelligence to this list. Perception level includes both sub-conscious and conscious minds.
How can self is merely a physical or biological entity? please elaborate on this statement.
Presuming that by 'reward seeking' you meant satiating ego, how can you differentiate it from 'passion'? I think passion is also a result of desire of the ego to satiate itself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7U3OPlREI | ||
| Apsrtc Side Hero Username: Apsrtc Post Number: 3111 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 76.104.45.54 Rating: N/A |
another mind blowing day  YSR the future of Haritha Andhra Pradesh! | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 185 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.168.35 Rating: N/A |
I think I Agree with most of Anand's views ...that ego is self and the general notion about ego is actually egotism.....and about introspecting to gain knowledge.... things happen to or with respect to ego/self....it is the coordinator...reference point to the consciousness. it is because of introspection we can understand other's feelings...we,our consciousness/self is isolated in our small head seems that various aspects of human Psyche is discussed here....what intrigues and perplexes me is the question why do we do what we do....what motivates our actions... there seems multilevel of consciousness like: 1) Perception level 2) Cognition/ego/self ego/self may be predominantly at cognition level but it may present in different degree in all the levels in descending order from higher to lower levels. perception level is infrastructure level. here the degree of self might be very low or there may be no self. actually the fact that perception occurs entails self which separates the observed. perception of an object is with reference to self. but i guess the self is not self conscious here. its more of physical/biological. I guess there is no happiness/bliss possible here because lesser degree of self. but pleasure is at this level. desires,ambitions are at higher level. so the rewards of accomplishments of desire is in principle out of ego. happiness comes when ego reflects on itself with the sense of accomplishment. but the actual motives of reward seeking whatever....to prove it to ourselves in our internal worlds....can be subconscious or unconscious. subconscious/unconscious mind has great affect on our actions. I think i agree with of Freud's stuff on this. i think there is no action out of just ego/reward seeking or out of passion.it is the mixture of both most of the times. if there is no amount passion one cannot enjoy the journey toward any goal. there is some amount of passion in all non-trivial endeavors I guess. does a scientist do research when there is no body to here notice his work? why would one publish his/her work if it is purely out of passion? for greater good of the people? I am not sure. actions out of customs,mental conditioning may not have any immediate personal/selfish/cognitional goals. thought of writing a lot...but lost midway.. "all of the knowledge eventually becomes self knowledge" --Bruce lee | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4910 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
We are born knowing that we are separate identitiy.Knowing and merging are not two different milestones...per my understanding. But this will differ between dwaita, vishishta advaita and advaita ...
Isn't this also the concept of nirvana I think I quoted this here before , my kids were having a conversation with my older one telling the six-year old..you have to study hard or you will not find a job and will have to be a hobo living under a bridge . The little one gave a huge grin and said " So what ,does it matter as long as I am a happy hobo ?" This is instinctive knowledge that we forget as our awareness grows and we start measuring oursleves against others and the standards society feeds us
I prefer the objective view cos subjectivity is a function of a frame of reference.
The width of the base of the pyramid differs from person to person , how much satifies your lower level needs .. but basic sustenance and security fulfil avvakunda pai level needs lo sustained ga unde vallu chala rare..the only leeway is the social needs- people who are reclusive by nature do not have as pronounced social needs as others.
Does it matter ? The end goal is still happiness/bliss
Gardening is a nurturing activity prescribed to buddhist monks You get the similar happinesss watching a plant you nurtured bloom as you do when a child succeds It is very therapeutic - possibly that's why aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1774 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
 the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 3017 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
 Heights of modesty If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1772 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
Jalsa brother, I am just a person who questions, and tries to find answers to these. I am not a very good reader, I am not sure if I have ever read a book from start to end(barring academic or professional related). I am mostly an observer, and just question stuff. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1771 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
I would say that it is my understanding, but Der brothers inputs have put some questions about what we mean by ego. according to the above interpretation, ego is different than what Der is saying.
I think this qualifies another length discussion by itself, to me the "knowing" that you are not seperate from the supreme consciousness is the key here, do we know that we are seperate, do we know that we are not seperate, to take any decision about merging with the supreme entity. this "knowing" is the journey right? whether I see it today or not see it today, tomorrow I might see it along the journey, and even after knowing we still have a choice to make, whether we want to merge into the supreme entity or not through a conscious effort.
Yes that definetly is true, you cannot set a goal with out you being the integral part of it, but is there a goal or ambition in every action you chose to do. lets take a kid, he has no idea of what a goal is, his instincts drive his actions, he chooses to play/or laugh without a preconceived goal or an ambition. but adults might not choose such an action, so goal setting is it a developed sense for humans, or is it one of the instinct that hits you as age increases. the consciousness of to achieve something is a matter of individuality, and as i see it, an action of person without a deliberate attempt to achieve is very possible, although we rarely see it, as we as a part of society try to play a role everywhere, and that means we have set to achieve something everywhere and every minute.
this might partly be true, but i think there can be exceptions to this. lets consider the life of a person, who has dedicated himself for the purpose of others, according to the above it means that, the individual has already fulfilled all the needs that are lower in the heirarchy, to me as person can chose a goal from any of the hierarchies he wants to, but more often he will not, i guess someone who can chose from the highest level without satisfying his lower level needs are great!! if we move further abit and take the life of Dr. Einstein(since he has already been used in this discussion), did he chose the highest level after he has satisfied all his needs at the lower level?
I agree it does seem immature to categorize something as better or worse, and thats something i was trying to get at. I have posed a question earlier in the thread "Are we determining the goals based on some morals", if so then consider the goals from a more subjective view point rather than objectively.
well, this is a tricky question, is the happiness you mentioned in the question relate to the outcome of the result or just the satisfaction i finding the truth. to be more clear, one kind of pursuit, if the outcome is "A" you are happy about it, if the outcome is "B" you are not happy about it. can this kind of pursuit can be termed as something that is looking for bliss or ananda? I guess this might be Der's point about what can be a ego based desire?(I am not sure though) the other kind of pursuit, irrespective of the outcome, if you find an answer, you are happy, this seems to be more like looking for that bliss, no matter what you find, you are happy that you have quenched your thirst.
like i mentioned earlier, we humans are we at this stage due to our societal programming, or is it inherent to us, or both. I can think of many actions we chose to do with out any end goal associated with it, but then do we have to validate these actions? lets consider this, my grand mother is an avid gardner, he does it with passion, but there is no goal in that for her, she purely enjoys gardening, and may b here the goal is that is makes her feel good, but then she does feel happy doing alot of other actions, which she does not perform as religously as she does gardening. why does she have a special preference of gardening, when she can be happy doing other things that make her happy too? I guess I have asked to many questions for one post. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Cylonesubbarao Hero Username: Cylonesubbarao Post Number: 11912 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.61.18.228 Rating: N/A |
Edo ardham ayyi avanattu undi....  Training ho gaya.... pending emails clear chesi... follow avutha. You must be the change you wish to see in the world  | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4909 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Actually I think Maslow makes a lot of sense. And I was not criticising you , just the concept that some desires/ambitions are nobler manifestations of ego versus others... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4908 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Interpretation error ...
This is definitely not what I meant by react avvanu ..I did not say there is no reaction or that you do not feel...infact you are even more aware of what you feel and why you feel it.. The above lack of reaction is caused by denial or blocking, due to a fear of handling it What I am saying is you feel more intensely , but you can accept your emotion and control/channel your reaction to that... Did that make sense ?
Jalsa, Anduke don't force it annanu take your time - enjoy the journey aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Vivekanandji Junior Artist Username: Vivekanandji Post Number: 462 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 67.159.45.24 Rating: N/A |
Anandji, Einstein motive, purpose emayuntaayi ani Mental brother Der ni question vesthe, idhi koodaa ayyundocchu ani Maslow theory reference icchaanu anthe. I'm not an advocate of Maslow theory and naaku koodaa that theory lo chaalaa complaints unnaayi. Andharuu Baagundaali. | ||
| Cylonesubbarao Hero Username: Cylonesubbarao Post Number: 11911 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.61.18.228 Rating: N/A |
Anandji, Time to get back to training session... evening sootta mee response ni. You must be the change you wish to see in the world | ||
| Cylonesubbarao Hero Username: Cylonesubbarao Post Number: 11910 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 170.61.18.228 Rating: N/A |
I disagree Anandji. Personal matter okati cheppali... meeru cheppinattu manchi jarigina chedu jarigina naa lo kooda emi reaction undadhu pedda maarpu undadhu. Ok... ala jarigindha... mana chethullo emi ledhu ani... lets move on ani anukune vaadini. Naa wife eppudu complain chesthundi oka happy news ki kaani oka sad news ki kaani asalu emi reaction undadhu ani. Now coming to my matter.... maa mother poyinappudu endhuko naa lo emi reaction ledhu.... I was calm and as normal as any other outside person. Cremation and other formalities anni ayyipoyaka US vacchesa... may be after 1 month... naa lo oka type lo numbness start ayyindi.... I don't have words to explain my state... but ye pani chesevaadini kaadhu... for the first time school lo assignments kooda sarigga complete cheyyaledhu... intlo kooda ekkuva maatladevaadini kaadhu.... and it went on for about 2-3 months. I don't know even now how I came back to normalcy. Meeru annattu peddaga react kaamu ani anukuntaamu... but internal ga manaki teliyakunda ne prathi act ki oka reaction untundi... some may be immediate and some may take time (as in my case). I don't want to generalize but naa situation oka example ga chebuthunna... may be manaki teliyakunda ne manam mana reactions ni suppress chesthunnamemo ani doubt. What say? You must be the change you wish to see in the world | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 179 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.96.252 Rating: N/A |
Reaching that state is not one life's process. Depending on your present spiritual advancement, particularly for householders (because of the distractions), it takes few to 100 lives or may be more to reach that stage. Once you reach that stage, there is no purpose to the life...some will teach the world whatever they have learnt and finally will take Nirvikalpa samadhi...just like vivekananda, buddha, shirdi baba, sanakara etc...Many others enter samadhi absolutely anonymous...no body would ever know they even existed. For us thats a loooooooooooooong way to go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7U3OPlREI | ||
| Jalsa Side Hero Username: Jalsa Post Number: 6575 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.53.78.140 Rating: N/A |
When one reaches that stage, what is their purpose to live? I mean if they lose interest in everything, why exist?
Thank you Anand gaaru. | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 177 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.96.252 Rating: N/A |
Jalsa, Its just the matter of interest brother. Since my childhood I am interested in cosmology. Whenever I got time, I used to read the concepts of hinduism, particularly vedantha philosophies. It was just a hobby and just book reading for years, but now I try to apply these prinicples in my life and it really changed my attitude towards better and better. All those concepts make sense when you use them. Discussions like these hasten my learning rate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7U3OPlREI | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 3012 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
 I think it is better off following krishna murhty's theory "no thought" instead of breaking head with these kind of thoughts  If god doesn't like the way I live, let him tell me, not you | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4906 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
If I go to the basics - do you understand , why you act the way you do ? Do you understand why you feel the way you do ? Do you understand how you react the way you do ? What makes you lose your temper ? I did not for a long time - just reacted to things life threw at me ...but not anymore... To me that introspection has help me shift my focus from reactive anger , to active curiosity ? If someone does not agree with me , I do not get riled or angry, I try to find out where is he/she coming from ? What does he know that I do not ? This helps me channel reactive energy into more constructive active energy ... Idanta na personal learning meda cheptunna..practical , experiential knowledge , not from reading - the change in my thinking after starting introspection to understand my drivers aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 176 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.96.252 Rating: N/A |
The theory is that, ok you are saying that you are happy now...leading a content life...every thing is working for you...but after few years you might find yourself in a situation where you would think that ok now I am bored with this or I want to achieve some thing better than this some thing for example a promotion in the job ...on these lines. Then, the goal of your pursuit changes. That means, each time you reach a goal, the desire of greater achievements keeps you working. The moment you achieve your next goal, you will realize how trivial that previous goal was. For example, you might recollect how hard you worked for your inter exams...during that preparation time passing that exam was life for you...But now that is trivial for you. Like that, man moves further and further up and finally reaches a stage where nothing related to this world interests you. When you reach that stage where nothing can affect you, the stage where only eternal calmness, bliss, knowledge exist. That stage is unchangeable. That is the only state that is unchangeable. That is the self or atman or brahman or god. Everything else changes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7U3OPlREI | ||
| Jalsa Side Hero Username: Jalsa Post Number: 6571 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.53.46.140 Rating: N/A |
I guess I was asking the wrong question then aa highlighted part ardham kaaledhu, I mean what is that "self" we are talking about? | ||
| Jalsa Side Hero Username: Jalsa Post Number: 6570 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.53.46.140 Rating: N/A |
Anand ji, thank you for being so patient with me Again, the first part, "understanding yourself"
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| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 175 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 128.249.96.252 Rating: N/A |
I think this is a wrong question. The pursuit is not to discover something 'about' your self, because self has no qualities, color, shape and form. Its all about knowing the self it-self. When we reach the end of that pursuit, we will realize that self was the only thing that was always there and nothing else. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k7U3OPlREI | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4905 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Let me step back a bit... What is Spirituality ? In the simplest terms , understanding your spirit and its purpose, as opposed to the physical body You have to start with understanding yourself .. Self-realizaion taravate God-realization antaru And if you take some spiritual principles - you are a microcosm , a miniature replica of the universe when you fully understand yourself- you understand everything there is ..this I am saying from what I have read Now coming to the practical application of spirituality/vedanta...I think these principles were put in place to help people live a peaceful, happy life.. They deal with a lot of psychological aspects - to help you deal with surprises life throws at you , and to deal with the process of aging and the change in inclinations and needs with age... Is there a pot of gold at the end of the spiritual rainbow ? Who knows what we will find? But if I can enjoy a great, colorful ride on the way , does it matter ? Theists see their spirit aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Jalsa Side Hero Username: Jalsa Post Number: 6564 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.53.78.140 Rating: N/A |
Baaga cheppaaru. | ||
| Jalsa Side Hero Username: Jalsa Post Number: 6563 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.53.78.140 Rating: N/A |
Anand gaaru, I'm just trying to understand what to discover about one's self. I mean is it some trait or the purpose of one being here or anything else. I also believe, as pplsuck put it, living today happily. I guess I am trying to understand what is so spiritual about discovering one's self and what exactly are we trying to discover. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4904 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
I agree with you ...results ignore chesi action cheyyatam does not make sense to me... And also with the second part that desire/kamaa for moksha is also a desire...desire is the trigger for action. But I interpret "karmanyevadhikareste ma phaleshu kadachana " slightly differently... You start an action with an end in mind- but ensure that you get satisfaction/joy from the action itself...chala materialist goal example iste - say you want to be a millionaire- and you give yourself 10 years to do that ... The way I look at it - learn to enjoy the process of getting there, celebrate each little success along the way ..so it is 10 years lived to your satisfaction...then the result at the end diminishes in relevance .. if you reached only 50% of your goal or 75% , you won't spend the next 10 years of your life regretting the last 10 Like pplsuck said , living today happily
Sorry did not see this last night... Simple answer is what makes you happy Not what someone else says "should make you happy ".One of the initial posts in this thread I mentioned about how people need acheivable challenges for nourish a healthy sense of ego - so identify your drivers
My sincere advice, don't try to force it ...time vachinappudu ade vastundi...interest kosam chadivite chadavandi...but like I always say learn to live well today your consciousness will take care of the rest There is a reason Maslow's pyramid is set up the way it is ...anni needs fulfil ayyaka self-actualization.. if you jump to the top, with a hollow base you will just fall back down again... Idi consistent ...whether it is Maslow's theory of needs, or the dharma, artha,kaama, moksha progression or even the way the ashramas(brahmacharya, gruhastha, vanaprastha, sanyasa) are sequenced... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| 7kondalu Junior Artist Username: 7kondalu Post Number: 290 Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 76.93.141.251 Rating: N/A |
mee post choosaka, chinnappudu chaduvukunna jaajili thulaadharuni kathalo nundi chinna doubt...(this story is similar to kousika-dharmavyadha story) karmala andu asakthi unnanu falamunu asinchaka chesina karma valana brahmananda siddhi ponda vacchunu. "gnaanam" kaligina pimmata cheyu karmamulu bandhahethuvulu kaavu, punyagathi ki kaaranamagunu ani thulaadarudu (vyaapaari) mahamuni jaajili ki dharmopadesam chesthaadu. naa doubt, falaapeksha lekunda karmamu ela chesthaamu  kaami kaani vaadu mokshagaami kaadu antaaru kada. (kaami - korika. korika anede leka pothe mokshamu pondaali ane korika undadu kada ani naaku ardhamaina meaning) | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4903 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
I do take it easy - you asked I answered , ante Have fun in the masala threads aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 772 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: N/A |
Take it easy yo....I don't know what is good, bad or evil.....so alaa vadilesi happy gaa living life as it comes...... pakkana masala threads vastunnaayi....Im definitely outta here....pursuing my happiness in them (evil grin icon here)...... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4902 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Goodnight ... I never said ego was bad or good or evil...it just is, its a resource -accepting and harnessing it is the best use you can make of it aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 770 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: N/A |
Hmmmmm "Pursuit of happiness"........this makes me remember a guy's ID "Chasing Nirvana" I totally give up now......and take my word for this.....the "word" coming out of my Ego..... ok no more......nite nite nite nite..... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4901 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
I started reading vedanta after a lot of my ideas were already formed and advaitha came the closest to what made sense to me - so for now yes Advaita works - may change as I learn/experience more
lol aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 769 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: N/A |
>>>>> Sure - if it makes you feel good :-) The point is - what is the payoff for any activity ... People act when they expect a result - The benefit has to outweigh the cost ... The CBA has to work out for the person... >>>>>>>>>> you are PMP certified......this is clear from above... >>>>>> possibly not - but mana scripture lo advaita vedanta quote chestunna.. The various sheaths you have to shed to reach realization in sequence... annamaya (physical), pranamaya(energy), manamaya(intellect) ,vignanamaya(wisdom) and finally anandamaya(bliss) kosha - pursuit of truth to me stops at intellect/wisdom or manamaya/vignanamaya kosha :-) >>>>>>>>>>>> you girls never give up.......do ya?...girls tho argument, I always lost hands down....and there you go again........better luck next time pplsuck....... Good to know that you accept advaitha vedantha as base for your highest ideal(pursuit of happiness:-)) | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4900 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
LOL -- Will let you know if and when I reach it Scripture quote chesanu anteaa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Jalsa Side Hero Username: Jalsa Post Number: 6561 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 69.115.29.189 Rating: N/A |
What does this mean? Does it go back to your reply to my prev post? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4899 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Sure - if it makes you feel good The point is - what is the payoff for any activity ... People act when they expect a result - The benefit has to outweigh the cost ... The CBA has to work out for the person...
possibly not - but mana scripture lo advaita vedanta quote chestunna.. The various sheaths you have to shed to reach realization in sequence... annamaya (physical), pranamaya(energy), manamaya(intellect) ,vignanamaya(wisdom) and finally anandamaya(bliss) kosha - pursuit of truth to me stops at intellect/wisdom or manamaya/vignanamaya kosha aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Jalsa Side Hero Username: Jalsa Post Number: 6560 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 69.115.29.189 Rating: N/A |
Without being judgemental anedhi chaala tough anukuntunna or may be practice kaavaalemo or I may not be getting what you are trying to convey. Think about what you are without getting influenced by external factors antunnaru. May be, if you can give 1-2 things of what to introspect or what to find about one's self, it might help. | ||
| Telugu_times Hero Username: Telugu_times Post Number: 14258 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.214.107.83 Rating: N/A |
Soo many times in the past, that I stopped now | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 768 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: N/A |
waiting waiting waiting ikkada...... Ammo...why am I waiting?....enti naa ego perigipotondaa??? probably.....the time has come to quit my dear pplsuck :-) sare nite nite......will check back later tomorrow..... | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 767 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: N/A |
I have no clue Jalsa.....ekkadainaa logic lo loopholes kanipisthey cash chesukundaamani try chesthaa anthey....I don't discuss this stuff normally....universal statements about anything/everything always made me suspicious about them........ Anand can probably answer you better regarding pursuit of happiness....... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4898 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
The things that prevent us from accepting ourselves are all the parameters programmed into our heads about how we should think , act, feel... When we do not follow that template of behavior , the normal defense mechanism to keep our esteem up , is to make excuses for ourselves,put filters on our visions to delude oursleves into fitting the template ... someone said , we lie more to ourselves than to others ... When you look at yourslef non-judgementally - as not good, bad, ugly, etc... you are able to look at yourself honestly ... you are who you are ...and that does not make you batter or worse than the next person...
This is what you are uncovering about yourself - who you are without these filters That makes you feel comfortable in your own skin .. you do not have to pull others down to feel good about yourself ... I don't know if it added clarity or I confused you further aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 766 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: N/A |
>>>>>>>>> I think its the other way round. If knowledge of truth does not lead to happiness would truth be still pursued... >>>>>>>>>> whether it will be pursued or not is altogether a different aspect.....may be pursued, may not be pursued.....and there might be a sannasi like me who has no idea of what happiness is.......and pursues the truth behind your pursuit of happiness..... >>>>>> The whole goal of enlightenment is bliss , anandam kada :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this doesn't sound like any universal truth....can't take it just bcoz it sounds good.........may be, may be not.....but again why that goal? aney pursuit ni emantaaru? or we going in circles? | ||
| Jalsa Side Hero Username: Jalsa Post Number: 6558 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 69.115.29.189 Rating: N/A |
Pursuit of happiness antey aa happiness anedhi ye chinna dantlo ayina undachaa? leka, daaniki kooda depth undhaa? Kindha adigaanu, what are we trying to find about ourselves ani, adhi koncham layman terms lo explain chestaara? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4897 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
LOL - and don't you always mourn the lack of collective ego in Hinduism ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4896 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: |
I think its the other way round. If knowledge of truth does not lead to happiness would truth be still pursued... The whole goal of enlightenment is bliss , anandam kada aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Apsrtc Side Hero Username: Apsrtc Post Number: 3089 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 76.104.45.54 Rating: N/A |
anand pinni: with some liberty can i interpret this stmt this way?
will it be called perfectionlism to one's self in getting to what is ultimate result for an individual? when we try to find the truth and happiness together being exceptional.. we want to just live with what we aimed of as happiness rather finding truth.. is it called escapism? YSR the future of Haritha Andhra Pradesh! | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 765 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: N/A |
>>>>> To me there is no pursuit of truth - all we have is pursuit of happiness - different people find happiness in different things ante >>>>>>>>>> "Why am I pursuing happiness? what is it that makes me pursue happiness and what is this happiness?" ani questions vesukuntey.....is that pursuit of truth behind this desire to pursue/know happiness? | ||
| Basky_indya Hero Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 17017 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 75.185.64.101 Rating: N/A |
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| Jalsa Side Hero Username: Jalsa Post Number: 6551 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 69.115.29.189 Rating: N/A |
oorikey annanu, emanukokandi. | ||
| Cylonesubbarao Hero Username: Cylonesubbarao Post Number: 11903 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.90.253.159 Rating: N/A |
You must be the change you wish to see in the world | ||
| Telugu_times Hero Username: Telugu_times Post Number: 14256 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.214.107.83 Rating: N/A |
Jodha single otu padindhi soodu  | ||
| Jalsa Side Hero Username: Jalsa Post Number: 6550 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 69.115.29.189 Rating: N/A |
oorikey endhuku, mee post ichaaru ga :P | ||
| Jalsa Side Hero Username: Jalsa Post Number: 6549 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 69.115.29.189 Rating: N/A |
Neither do I. In the process of achieving that ambition, we might realise few other things.
Well said
That part went over my head.
What is this core? What exactly are we trying to uncover about ourselves? | ||
| Telugu_times Hero Username: Telugu_times Post Number: 14254 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.214.107.83 Rating: |
people learn to live in peace with their circumstances and there is no motivation to change them >> Just like in Hinduism anukunta  | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4895 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
I do not agree with that - so cannot explain
To me there is no pursuit of truth - all we have is pursuit of happiness - different people find happiness in different things ante
Chala simple ga cheppali ante understanding yourself.. introspection helps there ..when you are able to look at yourself honestly,without being judgemental about yourself, you learn to be at peace with who you are and as a result with your surroundings Complex ga cheppali ante - we cover ourselves with many layers of peels - esteem, status, pride, expectations etc... many of these are illusions created by our own mind and intellect because we try to see ourselves in a favorable form based on our conditioning of ideal person When we peel these illusions and get to our own core that is when acceptance and peace comes aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Cylonesubbarao Hero Username: Cylonesubbarao Post Number: 11902 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.90.253.159 Rating: N/A |
No thanks... edi oorike theesukundam istam ledhu.  You must be the change you wish to see in the world | ||
| Jalsa Side Hero Username: Jalsa Post Number: 6546 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 69.115.29.189 Rating: |
star gift teeskondi | ||
| Cylonesubbarao Hero Username: Cylonesubbarao Post Number: 11899 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.90.253.159 Rating: |
Cinema lu soodatledheti? You must be the change you wish to see in the world | ||
| Jalsa Side Hero Username: Jalsa Post Number: 6545 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 69.115.29.189 Rating: N/A |
Der's statement " "Ambition" is borne out of pursuit of truth." Does it mean that Ambition is the pursuit of truth behind "something"? Or, what does pursuit of truth as a statement by itself mean? Also, I was watching Venkatesh's interview, where he stated that he get his inner peace by learning about inner self. What does this mean? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4892 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Reading, listening/discussing with people, and for me, I am my own guinea pig Introspection pichi ekkuva with every thought comes the question why do I think that way So observing/understanding my own thoughts,emotions and reactions etc....aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Jalsa Side Hero Username: Jalsa Post Number: 6544 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 69.115.29.189 Rating: N/A |
Anand, Der, M_S, Ishan etc...how are you guys able to explain these kinda logics? I mean, where do you get these opinions, thoughts from? I am assuming from your reading of various books. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4891 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Maslow's pyramid is a progression of needs, unless the lower levels are satiated you cannot move up the pyramid... The desires associated with each level are equally important and necessary ...it is immaturity to attribute "better" "worse " "noble" qualifiers to these desires... Hypothetical question... There is einstein who craves truth in science There is poor mother who craves sustenance for her children... Is Einstein's craving any nobler than that of the mother ? I would say its the other way round because Einstein's craving is selfish while the mothers is not... Oka capitalist tana materialist desire to 10000 people ki jeevanopadhi kaligistadu .. Is that any less noble than the man who goes into the forest for his own enlightenment ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4887 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Yes and desire to better yourself, desire for enlightenment are all just that desires And desire is born out of ego, out of that feeling of being a self outside of the supreme whole. If you do not see yourself as separate and discrete from the supreme consciousness/truth/god whatever you call it, why would you have a desire to merge with that entity or to find it in you... When you annihilate your ego/self, you cease to exist a separate entity ,there is nothing left to quest for...not even the truth/god , because the truth/god is all there is and there is no you anymore. Then the question of you having an ambition is not there anymore .. you just go with the flow... you do not direct the flow... Goal setting and ambition is always driven by ego - "I" want to do this, "I" want to achive this, "I" want to find the truth, even "I" want to merge with the supreme consciousness. You cannot even state an ambition without using "I" - then how can you dissociate it from Ego ? It is just ego that makes us think that our ego is biggger or smaller than normal aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 171 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.238.50 Rating: N/A |
My pleasure. Yes, I think and try to perceive every thing around me from non-dualistic point of view. SO far I have never experienced a situation where I felt I should not believe in that concept. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1770 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
I am also not along those lines.
will discuss on this further, but later. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Ishan Junior Artist Username: Ishan Post Number: 170 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 68.90.238.50 Rating: N/A |
Yes. But please keep in mind that ego i am referring here is a bit different from the common meaning of ego which goes in the lines of madam or konni areas lo balupu kind of thing. I would consider the perceptions of multiplicity and individuality are the results of ego. | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1769 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
Like I said, I think I need more time to brood some more on this, as per what you are saying, It seems to me that qualifying everything as a desire is not correct, and there is a subtle difference at that where we can use the word desire. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1768 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
I agree on this, the desires of humans is the key reason for many of the ills we see today, there is no denying to that. Like someone said in this thread, "Ego is a double edged sword", i go more along with the lines "Desire is a double edged sword", based on the desire of the person, a person can become either an Einstien, and become a Hitler. but it seems to be the law of nature, the things that have the power to give, also have the power to take. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Der_schuler Comedian Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 1563 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2 Rating: N/A |
No No...I think u are again falling prey to circular logic........ambition is a need coz by very nature of being we are set into this perennial mode of energy vibration.....desire is the Ego extract....for want of something else...... All I am trying to tell you..is that when U envision TRUTH inside you....(i.e the reflection of the universe in urself), the ambition to know that truth doesn't add anything more to ur sense of being but for making you more aware of urself from within..... In true ambition, recurrently, you derive this infinite joy of envisaging the universe and your higher self....that sense of belonging to ur own higher self | ||
| Der_schuler Comedian Username: Der_schuler Post Number: 1562 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 198.135.110.2 Rating: N/A |
MS:"but then a simplistic deed of achieving something, along a selfish plane, without considering the temporal aspects of external pleasures, are they not worth to have a passion for? " Am not qualified to answer that purely out of its subjective bearing. What I realized is that such things feed on themselves, reaffirming the ego in ones self which by simple law of random causation, is subject to vicissitudes of all its manifestations like greed, anger, pain, despair, craving, cruelty....etc | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1767 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
Ishan brother, >>>Because the commonality among all the desires is ego or the so called individuality. this is exactly my point of discussion, is the commonality of all kinds of desires "EGO". Einstein's desire to answer the questions in his mind, is it out of ego? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Apsrtc Side Hero Username: Apsrtc Post Number: 3035 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 76.104.45.54 Rating: N/A |
mind blowing.. YSR the future of Haritha Andhra Pradesh! |
