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Mental_sachinodu
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Der_schuler:

Simplistically Ambition doesn't care for the after effects of its pursuit...as reflected by external surrounding qualifying it!!!! All it asks is the fact whether this route will make me understand the reason behind the nature of its being without disturbing the equanimity of your inner self......also called adhibhutha....




I think I understand your point of view, but then a simplistic deed of achieving something, along a selfish plane, without considering the temporal aspects of external pleasures, are they not worth to have a passion for?

May be everyone has to try to achieve the inner calm, search for the truth behind the questions that bother them.Many people do fail to do it, and they may desire to struggle for achieving what they are aspiring for, what is the driving force for this desire, is it ego? if it is ego, how essential is it?
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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a lot of people even fail to understand the difference between happiness and inner calmness in the effect of Maya.....
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Ishan:

The difference between a so called lower desire and higher desire is defined only by the degree of the difference not by their nature. Because the commonality among all the desires is ego or the so called individuality.




U seem to have been heavily influenced by the duality in Advaitha....good to come across who actually knows what he is talking about.....Never studied it at depth..but when I was a teenager, I read Spinoza's Ethics...which is heavily borrowed from Advaitha....infact he quoted advaitha very often....

Thnaks for ur inputs
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Mental_sachinodu:

are we distinguishing this desire based on the moralities of what they tried to achieve? if so strictly from a subjective based analysis, are their desires the same.




The difference between a so called lower desire and higher desire is defined only by the degree of the difference not by their nature. Because the commonality among all the desires is ego or the so called individuality.
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Mental_sachinodu:

ok, this seems to say "Ego" is something that comes into picture when you are trying to prove a point for achieving the satisfaction of proving that point, point being a personal motto. if the point you are trying to prove is basically to just know the "how" or "why" it is not considered an ego. do you think this was your point?




LOl...philosophy is Fun......

I think u summed it up closely but not completely.....

Simplistically Ambition doesn't care for the after effects of its pursuit...as reflected by external surrounding qualifying it!!!! All it asks is the fact whether this route will make me understand the reason behind the nature of its being without disturbing the equanimity of your inner self......also called adhibhutha....
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Mallik:

Mee egol gurinchi cheppandi ante.. jenaal egos gurinchi discutunnarendi.




adhe mari, asalu ikkada ego ante ento thelvakunda, egola gurinchi etla cheppamantav
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Der_schuler:

Where is ego there??? If your intent is to universally define Ego...then what einstein did can be used a definition of what is not ego....cuz if it were to satisfy himself that he is smart....there is another way of doing it...by coming before the world and asking "Can you do it".....CUZ at the end of the day....

"U only feel smarter relatively looking outwards...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" whic exaclty is Ego.....

Someone like perelman....solves a problem cuz he derives that inner calmness bu understanding nature...which he is a refelction of!!!!!!!!! There is no need to feel smart...coz u are exploring URSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




ok, this seems to say "Ego" is something that comes into picture when you are trying to prove a point for achieving the satisfaction of proving that point, point being a personal motto. if the point you are trying to prove is basically to just know the "how" or "why" it is not considered an ego. do you think this was your point?
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mallik:

Mee egol gurinchi cheppandi ante.. jenaal egos gurinchi discutunnarendi.




Ok..out of this thread...sorry for the diversion.....

Personally, I try hard everyday to kill the ego..at times I feel that calmness in me and at times especially in conversions entailing factual, scientific and logical propriety, I tend to forget my mission...still learning how to walk steadily along the road towards God
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Mental_sachinodu:

now can it be seen as "He is answering his questions to satisfy his ego?"




Where is ego there??? If your intent is to universally define Ego...then what einstein did can be used a definition of what is not ego....cuz if it were to satisfy himself that he is smart....there is another way of doing it...by coming before the world and asking "Can you do it".....CUZ at the end of the day....

"U only feel smarter relatively looking outwards...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" whic exaclty is Ego.....

Someone like perelman....solves a problem cuz he derives that inner calmness bu understanding nature...which he is a refelction of!!!!!!!!! There is no need to feel smart...coz u are exploring URSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wrath brother, yes people start to focus on the higher needs in maslow's heirarchy once the lower needs are met. Higher needs focus lo ki vacchinappudu, lower needs will no longer be prioritized according to Maslow.
Andharuu Baagundaali.
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Ishan:

From advaithic point of view, I see this whole thing like this. Every entity in this universe is moving towards freedom. Lets say a person wants to earn a billion dollars...he works hard...and finally gets that money...that means he got freedom from the desire of possessing that money. Now whether he will be content with that money or not is another issue. He might be content with it until his mind binds to something or in other words until he desires some thing.

Same goes with Einstein...he pursued science for science's sake just to free his mind from the desire of truth finding.




yes I agree with that. are we distinguishing this desire based on the moralities of what they tried to achieve? if so strictly from a subjective based analysis, are their desires the same.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mee egol gurinchi cheppandi ante.. jenaal egos gurinchi discutunnarendi..
In this db, there's always someone watching you!!
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Hope u understand the subtle difference




I think that is what I am trying to understand.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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The world went berserk about this recluse mathematician, while he was contently sitting in his office at Leningrad state university teaching higher mechanics to high school kids and Phd students....

It never bothered him coz it was not his intent....He was given a rise of 100$ per month for solving the hardest Alg geometry problem on earth...

Had he wanted, he cud have asked ANY university on earth to pay him royally and do no further work on it.......

That clearly exhibits.....the pristinity of truth ....
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Vivekanandji:

Maslow theory prakaaram people are divided into 5 categories. Lowest category vaallu associated with physiological needs like food, water
, clothes, sex, sleep, etc. 2nd lowest vaallu associated with safety needs like health, financial safety, insurance, health, etc.

middle category vaallu associated with social needs like love, intimacy, friendship, etc. top nunchi 2nd category vaallu associated with esteem, samajam lo peru, etc.

highhest level vaallu associated with self actualization, creativity, imagination, etc.

einstein laanti vaallu top level category manshulu




that is exactly what i am arriving at, a person who wants to kill a 1000 ants has an ambition, may be he belongs to the lowest category you have mentioned.

a foot soldier is also having an ambition, can be said that he belongs to the middle category.

and third is the great einstein himself, he also has an ambition to answer the questions lingering in his mind.

now can we say that at the level of feeling, all these three share the same defintion for ego and ambition?
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Vivekanandji:





Vivek, ppl do tend to move from one level to another level anukuntunna..
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Mental_sachinodu:

a question again, so what do we call this drive of einstein to achieve something, though it does not have tangible benefits for himself. Einstein once said "The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.", he also said "I have no special talent. I am only passionately curious".




From advaithic point of view, I see this whole thing like this. Every entity in this universe is moving towards freedom. Lets say a person wants to earn a billion dollars...he works hard...and finally gets that money...that means he got freedom from the desire of possessing that money. Now whether he will be content with that money or not is another issue. He might be content with it until his mind binds to something or in other words until he desires some thing.

Same goes with Einstein...he pursued science for science's sake just to free his mind from the desire of truth finding.
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Der_schuler:

Exactly....it was his drive to know WHAT IS TRUTH....rather than what do you make of my truth....

His drive to know something out of that simple looking Q is the pursuit of truth....




now can it be seen as "He is answering his questions to satisfy his ego?". not worrying about what others make out of it.

if I make such a statement would that be a mistake, if so is it because i have a different meaning of the word "Ego" or is there something else that else wrong in that statement.


Vivekanandji:



thanks for giving a reference.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mental_sachinodu:

I am only worrried about reaching the mark of 1000.




That automatically qualifies as Ego.......when you are want to know the truth, there is no temporal dimension associated to it......for truth is impersonal to ur perception!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When some one keeps tugging on at a problem for years together like say Gregory perelman when he proved Poincare conjecture, He was approached by the Fields institute....

"he sent a note saying: My mum never gave me a prize before 100 people for asking why are the clouds blue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His viewpoint of that pursuit was the impersonal existence of it and going by his answer u can easily deduce that He just wnated to know what poincare conjecture is true as opposed to "Can I crack that problem"......

Hope u understand the subtle difference
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Maslow theory prakaaram people are divided into 5 categories. Lowest category vaallu associated with physiological needs like food, water, clothes, sex, sleep, etc. 2nd lowest vaallu associated with safety needs like health, financial safety, insurance, health, etc.

middle category vaallu associated with social needs like love, intimacy, friendship, etc. top nunchi 2nd category vaallu associated with esteem, samajam lo peru, etc.

highhest level vaallu associated with self actualization, creativity, imagination, etc.

einstein laanti vaallu top level category manshulu :-)
Andharuu Baagundaali.
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Look Who is talking about dispassionate views and free discussion space

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Der_schuler:

COZ for every ant u kill, BY MORE EFFORT (not conscious but descriptive) YOU COULD HAVE FOUND A DEAD ONE.......

by the very act of killing something which dies naturally and which on further effort, transpired, U ARE FEEDING UR EGO.




Der brother,
I think i will have to spend some time on this thought, as it is not clear to me, but to me I am not bothered about the death of the ant, and have no intention of paying attention to understand what it means. I am only worrried about reaching the mark of 1000.

looking at in another way, like a foot soldier, whose only ambition is to protect his kingdom, he does not worry about the greater truth of the war, and he is certainly not thinking about his inner peace, but still he has an ambition, and for this ambition he is ready to sacrifice even his own life. even from a objectivist's notion, he is ambition is futile, as it does not have any tangible benefit to himself.

Der,
Going by your post, I am merely trying to understand whether the meaning of an ambition that is not seeking the inner peace is the same as the meaning of ambition that is seeking for the inner peace.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mental brother, mee question ki answer Maslow's heirarchy of needs ane psycology theory lo dorukuthundhi koddhigaa. Opika untey chadavandi. AAyana Maslow researched into einstein and some other genius minds and formulated a philosophy. Maslow prakaaram Einsyein laanti people self-actualization category lo manushulu. Vaalla motives, purposes will different to that of people from other 4 categories. Interesting gaa untundhi chadavandi opika untey.
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Mental_sachinodu:




I can cite more mathematical formulation of it...in mathematical proofs, there is always elegance associated like that of art...per michael atiyah's words, "Mathematically elegant proof is high density of truth per unit word". There can also be inelegant proofs of the same...when I pursue elegance in mathematics, I am asking the Question: "is there a better way of approaching this problem that will help me in understanding it closely"....

It happens so most of elegant formulations are called so cuz they enable extensibility to grander scheme of things.....a sort of a good contagion to associated areas of mathematical truths
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saving this thedd ..

will go thru in detail carefully 2 understand all points of view
Day should start with passion,plan and end with contentment.
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Mental_sachinodu:

he was curious and tried answering the questions popping up in his mind, so why was he answering himself?




Exactly....it was his drive to know WHAT IS TRUTH....rather than what do you make of my truth....

His drive to know something out of that simple looking Q is the pursuit of truth....
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Mental_sachinodu:




A classic of ego is just in this thread. When you differ with some ones viewpoint, you calmly...move on or putforth ur views dispassionately...one would never make fun of the other party...when one does so....its the first indication of Ego....coz U believe that U are right...

paradoxically, me posting on it is a manifestation of remedied form of such act..but FYI as an instance....I will subsequently not even worry abt that indv simply because he is not here to discuss but to state.....U move on
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Der_schuler:

As an instance, Einstein's foundations for general relativity was a rather queer Q: What happens if I were to sit on light? That question didn't have any tangible benefits whatsoever!!!! for years together he asked the same question..




Der brother,
a question again, so what do we call this drive of einstein to achieve something, though it does not have tangible benefits for himself. Einstein once said "The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.", he also said "I have no special talent. I am only passionately curious".

so i think it would be safe to assume, he was curious and tried answering the questions popping up in his mind, so why was he answering himself?
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mental_sachinodu:

der brother,
I am not sure if i am clear about this - Consider this,

what if my ambition is to kill a thousand ants? does that qualify as an ambition, since there is no search of truth, as what i am seeking is not an answer as to whether i can kill thousand ants, but merely the action of killing a thousand ants, irrespective of the truth whether thousand ants exist.




Wrong...and the effect of circular logic.....

When u are ambitious , the natural questions are

1.) What is it
2.) Why is it
3.) How is it....

1.) entails looking inside, for that, one can always ask....1.) How can I look inside....to which the obv answer is : when it dies...

Its death can be natural (i.e one can find a dead ant) or forced (by you).....

when you forced death on to a living thing to satiate ur desire to see what is it...you by definition of ambition are INFRINGING the notion of inner calmness...

COZ for every ant u kill, BY MORE EFFORT (not conscious but descriptive) YOU COULD HAVE FOUND A DEAD ONE.......

by the very act of killing something which dies naturally and which on further effort, transpired, U ARE FEEDING UR EGO.
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Der_schuler:

"Ambition" is borne out of pursuit of truth.



Der_schuler:

"Ego" is the ambition to stylize truth......



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ego naku ledu..but ego ante seshe meme seyyali manolle seyyali
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Mental_sachinodu:

for the sake of argument lets make it a million ants.




It qualifies as daunting task,but will it satisfy your ego..Ur ambition inturn should satisfy ur ego
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The objectivist attitude that U only achieve something when you have ego in whatsoever form is trash.

Lets take the endeavor of say science: " There are 2 types of pursuit of science. One where the driving force is the lifetime fame and the other is the sheer drive to UNDERSTAND and nothing else. History is rife with examples that people who formed the latter, revolutionized science in ways unforeseen.

As an instance, Einstein's foundations for general relativity was a rather queer Q: What happens if I were to sit on light? That question didn't have any tangible benefits whatsoever!!!! for years together he asked the same question..

Schrodinger, after reading Advaitha asked, what if determinism is indeed a facade and in its pursuit discovered dualist treatment of particle physics...

Same with ramanujam, he saw Goddess Kalika when he embarked on proving mathematical truths......

Galieleo was piqued by a rolling stone enroute his march to the sunday mass...he was a staunch christian....He asked what moves it...and pursued it...not the idea that such a pursuit will benefit my life...remotely
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Wrathchild:

Ambition is not what you think u can easily achieve..It should look daunting to u and as u follow a path to realize ur ambition it should look achievable..So in ur case,thats not an ambition at all




well, I dont think i can find 1000 ants easily, it is a daunting task to find 1000 ants, for the sake of argument lets make it a million ants.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mental_sachinodu:




May be an egoistic person always sets up ambitions which are daunting
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Mental_sachinodu:

what if my ambition is to kill a thousand ants?




Ambition is not what you think u can easily achieve..It should look daunting to u and as u follow a path to realize ur ambition it should look achievable..So in ur case,thats not an ambition at all
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Der_schuler:

"Ambition" is borne out of pursuit of truth.




der brother,
I am not sure if i am clear about this - Consider this,

what if my ambition is to kill a thousand ants? does that qualify as an ambition, since there is no search of truth, as what i am seeking is not an answer as to whether i can kill thousand ants, but merely the action of killing a thousand ants, irrespective of the truth whether thousand ants exist.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Wrathchild:

Ego spawns jealousy




Not always. Jealousy can exist with out ego.
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Ishan:

jealousy combined with ego.




Ego spawns jealousy
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Discounting the semantics, "Ambition" is borne out of pursuit of truth.

truth in its etymological sense is the nature of being of anything.

Hence ambition is the act of asking what is the truth behind this...

"Ego" is the ambition to stylize truth......

In ambition and its realization, One derives INNER PEACE AND CALMNESS....

In EGO and its manifestation, one derives PLEASURE from external agency like people around you or the rewards that you get.....

When one can't meet an ambition, it leads to a feeling of "may be there is other way to look at truth" which is also called dispassionate understanding of the nature of being around you....

when ones Ego is hurt, it is always done by an external agency.........

Inner calmness is timeless.....external pleasure (may it be from sex,cruelity towards other species, sense pleasures) is strictly TEMPORAL.....

A very simple thought experiment suffices....if one derives pleasure out of sex...hypothetically assume that he keeps doing it day in and day out...repeatedly......then u understand that pleasure is BORN out of ur ambience....

Inner calmness when you feel God with in yourself and everything around you...is everlasting cause then whatever u win is already in you and so is whatever is lost...

Again dispassion is the key for truth thence ambition....JMO
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Wrathchild:

Swati kiranam movie is a good example of ego in human beings




Thats jealousy combined with ego.
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Swati kiranam movie is a good example of ego in human beings
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Crunk:

Seeking pleasure too classifies as ego ... if a sunflower plant turns towards the sun for 'pleasure' it posses ego ... lol. Survival instincts - a product of ego? I guess plants like Venus flytrap plant n pitcher plant or many other carnivorous plants have more ego than other plants .... rofl




well,
thats a bit confusing to me, should we call the innate behavior of a being to survive as ego? If we go by that, a bigger tree for its growth kills all the little plants around it, can we consider that ego, though this is happening with the conscious effort of the big tree.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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I think if plainveiw encounters a genius better than him he would accept it without any froblems


Great thought ... I think he wud've. Mama did u post a link here on the character study of Plainview in There Will Be ...? It was an awesome read!
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I feel & believe that ego is same as FAT
in FAT we know good FAT and bad FAT likewise
Ego too.

Every person should have some % of ego.
It supposed to be constructive. It should help
his or her personnel growth self-dependent.

I did see many ppl having all with them still
dependent on others without any SHAME.

Naakem takkuva nenu inkokarini enduky
adagaali Anna feeling e kosaana undadu


The best xample I xperienced is with my
few friends. They are such creatures they
never take out their car or credit card
while going movies or longdrives. Having all
still they act as if they don't have.

When I ask after taking loong time that too
politely they say they WILL give money.

Regs car issue they start on preaching
like in friendship we should not think like this
etc.

Wat an irony this. Any way I stopped interacting
with such ppl. :-)
Driving is my PASSION. Ball or Bmmer does not matter
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Anand_n:

If a being can distinguish between territory and "my" territory - it has an ego


Seeking pleasure too classifies as ego ... if a sunflower plant turns towards the sun for 'pleasure' it posses ego ... lol. Survival instincts - a product of ego? I guess plants like Venus flytrap plant n pitcher plant or many other carnivorous plants have more ego than other plants .... rofl. :-)


Wrathchild:

He is an Apso.


Wow they r very cute n petit!
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I think if plainveiw encounters a genius better than him he would accept it without any froblems...he just cant deal with fools....




yes, that is very true, I feel that it is his ego that drives him to excel. if he finds a genius better than him, he would accept it, but I think his ego would still try to compete for getting better.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Ego is a doubel edged sword..It helps you to bounce back when you are feeling low and at the same time can throw you down..So if you realize urself that you have ego thats always good,but if some one has to remind you about it,then u may be using the wrong edge
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Mental_sachinodu:

ego ki perfect example ante "There will be blood" lo Daniel Plainview anukunta.


I think if plainveiw encounters a genius better than him he would accept it without any froblems...he just cant deal with fools....
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sare kaaanee nee ofinion pettu .. in human terms ..
Day should start with passion,plan and end with contentment.
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Idle_yzag:


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General gaa undadu.. but kondar edavalni chooshinappudu.. naaku nene.. maava neeku range ae range raa anukuntaa.. akkada ego ostadi naaki..
In this db, there's always someone watching you!!
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Wrathchild:

You can perceive that if you compare your pet with other pets or if u understand ur pet a lot.. my pet dog has lot of ego






too much stylisation anukunta ?
Day should start with passion,plan and end with contentment.
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JP/YSR/Rahul/Chiru
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Mav mama mee dog breed enti?

What are some characteristics you can look for in your pets that lead you to conclude the presence of ego?




He is an Apso. Characteristics ante lot of "this is mine" kind of feeling..he will not allow me take his belt out or the feeding plate,doesn't crave for food much..displays territorial attitude like his bed..etc etc
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Wrathchild:

my pet dog has lot of ego




Mav mama mee dog breed enti?

What are some characteristics you can look for in your pets that lead you to conclude the presence of ego? Sometimes pets like cats stay aloof from ppl and other animals ... they portray themselves as being lazy and throwing attitude or 'having an ego' ... but could we categorize that behavior as ego? Some dogs walk with their head held high - ego?
I read some site where a guy defines ego as existing in every living matter (even plants) and cites the Vedas. Interesting.
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Crunk:

Can animals have ego?




Yes- they stake out their territory don't they ... If a being can distinguish between territory and "my" territory - it has an ego :-)

Plants - not sure :-)

Redplanet:

Just more than Self Respect




Id correct chesanu - the perception of Self is ego... self respect is an add on to the self or ego.




Redplanet:

Ide unte ee progromming enduku chesukntamu andi. Eppudu alochinchedi Project nunchi project varaku matrame




Deeniki chala factors untayi kada - not just ability, but returns, risks, impacts to near and dear etc :-)
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Crunk:

Can animals have ego?




You can perceive that if you compare your pet with other pets or if u understand ur pet a lot.. my pet dog has lot of ego
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Anand_n:

the I or self of any person


Can animals have ego? Plants? Or is this limited to ppl only :-) Heard many a time tht cats have ego ... hmmm.
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it depends on how you look at it

ego makes or breaks a person

ego - i can do this , i have to achieve this no matter what - good

ego - only i can do this, no one else can do it - bad

first di important to achieve whatever goals you set yourself
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Anand_n:

No - Ego is just a sense of self :-) It is not negative at all...




this is what I think too. Ego does not need to have a negative connotation. but in general when someone uses the word it is in negative sense.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Anand_n:

No - Ego is just a sense of self It is not negative at all...





Redplanet:

Kadu, Aham. Nenu ane bahavana. Just more than Self Respect anuko.




Anand garu,
Nenu cheppindi kuda ade kada. Nenu ane bhavana(Sense of self). But egoistic anedi upper side vadataru general usage lo.


Anand_n:

10 - 20 % higher than what you think you can acheive




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ingoga example istha....lets say u want to gain knowledge in movie making cause u like it...ur passionate about it...OK.....ur not doing it cause u want to prove urself u can make movies..but,ur doing it cause u like that art and u like the process and the method n everything...n u want to master everything cause it excites u....ur not proving any point....thats why when u see genius like a satyajit ray or a bharadwaj or a rahman they r so down to earth....watever fame they get wont get into their heads...they do it cause they r passionate n the ego that comes with fame wont affect them cause they r not in the profession for fame...bottom line is i donno wat iam talki




hahaha good one, ego ane padham chaala confusing. ila passion tho oka aim achieve chese vallaki kooda ego untundhi, but it is not directed towards others anukunta.

ego ki perfect example ante "There will be blood" lo Daniel Plainview anukunta.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Elcaminocapastrino:

bottom line is i donno wat iam talkin




same here ...
Day should start with passion,plan and end with contentment.
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Elcaminocapastrino:

..bottom line is i donno wat iam talkin


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Pulpfiction:

winning to prove to urself is ambition ..


no I didnt say that...may be i used a bad example:D
lets try again...
ingoga example istha....lets say u want to gain knowledge in movie making cause u like it...ur passionate about it...OK.....ur not doing it cause u want to prove urself u can make movies..but,ur doing it cause u like that art and u like the process and the method n everything...n u want to master everything cause it excites u....ur not proving any point....thats why when u see genius like a satyajit ray or a bharadwaj or a rahman they r so down to earth....watever fame they get wont get into their heads...they do it cause they r passionate n the ego that comes with fame wont affect them cause they r not in the profession for fame...bottom line is i donno wat iam talkin:D
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Redplanet:

Kadu, Aham. Nenu ane bahavana. Just more than Self Respect anuko.




No - Ego is just a sense of self :-) It is not negative at all...

definition :
egoââ/ËigoÊ, ËÉgoÊ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ee-goh, eg-oh] Show IPA
Use ego in a Sentence
ânoun, plural egos. 1. the âIâ or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought.

The usage of EGO in a derogatory form stems from EGOTISM - conceit; self-importance


10 - 20 % higher than what you think you can acheive is not too less - but you need to set the bar based on your understanding on your own drivers :-)
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Redplanet:

Identify your triggers



Day should start with passion,plan and end with contentment.
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I thought this is apt to post here.

Don't try to be perfect... just excellant.

But trying to attain perfection can cause stress, hinder efficiency, and create unnecessary conflicts with the people around you. Perfectionists are frequently perceived as:

⢠Critical

⢠Overwhelmed

⢠Unable to see the big picture

⢠Stressed-out and anxious

⢠Rarely able to enjoy their accomplishments

A more productive goal is excellence: meeting the highest standards agreed upon for oneself or by the group. The person concentrating on excellence focuses on:

⢠Continued personal and professional growth

⢠Job satisfaction and customer service

⢠Clear and reasonable expectations

⢠A strong sense of accomplishment

To go from perfectionism to the pursuit of excellence, follow this advice:

⢠Get real. When you find yourself becoming frantic about a goal, stop and ask, âIs this problem really worth the level of frustration Iâm experiencing?â

⢠Establish clear expectations. If you know whatâs expected of you, you can better track your progress and draw boundaries when needed, which will help you move forward with the project instead of trying to make it better.

⢠Identify your triggers. Learn to recognize the factors that lead or contribute to your perfectionist thinking and behaviorsâand avoid them.

⢠Delegate. Many perfectionists mistakenly believe that theyâand only theyâcan complete the task at hand. Allow other people to assist you, which will increase the odds that the group will more easily reach excellence.

⢠Know whatâs important. Ask yourself, âWhatâs most important about this project?â Consult with your supervisor, colleagues, and employee. Analyzing your objectives, then narrowing down key points and agreements, allows everyone to measure his or her performance accurately.
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Simhadri:

mee garnd children ki seppukotaniki baguntundi..kiki





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Proline:

last 5.5yrs lo first time on bench...(client abruptly terminate chesad contract...)




Oh avuna...emi parledu annai ee recession effect alantidi ani mee garnd children ki seppukotaniki baguntundi..kiki
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My motto is "There is no other competition to me, other than myself". I might get inspired by others, but i rarely feel compelled to achieve something because someone else did. I dont know if this falls under ego.
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Simhadri:


yedo j2ee (programming) kabatti offers yekkuva unnay ala nettukostunna. sap/dwh/etc.. aiytey konchem market baaledu.
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Simhadri:

thats good news anani...manalanti contarctors ki one month breaks common kada..




last 5.5yrs lo first time on bench...(client abruptly terminate chesad contract...)
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ego lenodni..saduv obba ledu..god grace IT koolie ayya
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Elcaminocapastrino:




ok .. got some more clarity ..

winning to prove to urself is ambition ..

winning to prove to others is ego ..

now, the question is

how to arrive at the bench mark level that we set for ourselves ?
Day should start with passion,plan and end with contentment.
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Proline:

market ok...oka offer undi...next week (inka two pending lo unnay)...so safe at present...but lost one month.



Good for you...nenu 2 months nunchi marketing...2 vendor calls...0 interviews
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Proline:

oka offer undi...next week (inka two pending lo unnay)...so safe at present...but lost one month....




thats good news anani...manalanti contarctors ki one month breaks common kada..
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Anand_n:

So realistic estimate +10 to 20 or even 50% is good,




I think you are talking about short term goals. 10-20% in the long run is very less.
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Pulpfiction:


suppose u have a goal....lets say winning a wimbledon....working towards ur goal just to fulfill ur passion just to achieve that coveted trophy turning a bling to rivalry n all bull shit but focussing only on wimbledon is ambitious....

But if u want to win the wimbledon only to prove that you are better than all other players competing for it...just to make them look inferior...just to prove a point to the world that ur better than all is egoistic anukuntunna:D
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Politricks:

EGO ante SELF CONFIDENCE aa?




Kadu, Aham. Nenu ane bahavana. Just more than Self Respect anuko.
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Anand_n:




thanks anand ji
Day should start with passion,plan and end with contentment.
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Simhadri:

market ela undi mee field lo..


market ok...oka offer undi...next week (inka two pending lo unnay)...so safe at present...but lost one month.
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Pulpfiction:

make a realistic estimate of ur ability and raise it by 500% .. set ur goals there ..




That's a recipe for frustration..

Monna curriculum design and psychology meeda oka article chadivanu..though that was meant for children, I think it is applicable to all ages.

Easy to acheive goals bore people as they become mechanical.

Unacheivable goals(+500%) frustrate them, make them feel like failures and make them quit...

For people to stay motivated and feel productive, they need to have problems they have to work at , and then solve, so it feeds their sense of acheivement(Ego) that they solved something difficult and the ego needs that nourishment so the person will keep the quest going...

So realistic estimate +10 to 20 or even 50% is good, 500% is bad:-)
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Proline:

yela unnav...?

naaku almost one month ayindi bench...




Oh avuna..nenu bagunna..too bad annai....soory to hear this..market ela undi mee field lo..
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Simba

"East Godavari zilla vaallani pilustunnavanukuna. My bad.."

Kisna vallanemo?
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EGO ante SELF CONFIDENCE aa?
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Pulpfiction:

how 2 know if u r ambitious or just egoistic




Very thin line.

Nenu cheyyagalanu ante confidence. Nene cheyyagalunu ante ego.
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Simba:

East Godavari zilla vaallani pilustunnavanukuna. My bad...




East godavari vallu most down to earth. Vallani picha kottudu kodutunna.. Entandi kodataru antaru.

Please change your openion on EG dist people.
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Elcaminocapastrino:



Redplanet:




that is why

i wanted to check ego's effect on ambition ..

how 2 know if u r ambitious or just egoistic
Day should start with passion,plan and end with contentment.
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I believe that self-confidence is essential to achieve our ambitions. But there is a very thin line between self-confidence and ego. Self-confidence in our view might be ego for others. It all depends on how you define and perceive these terms. But most of the successful people in the world are self-confident. Of course some people evidently go over board and become egoistic once success gets in to their heads.
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therezz a fine line between ego n self respect....ego destroys....
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Pulpfiction:

make a realistic estimate of ur ability and increase it by 10% ..



few yrs nundi idey formula use settunna.. min 10% $$ hike avali per year..
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Ego to certain extent is good. It would not let you down to the circumstances. Beyond that.. Yes.. Nenante Nene ante konchem kastam anukuntunna.
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Anand_n:




anand garu

thanks very much

so , can we say

make a realistic estimate of ur ability and raise it by 500% .. set ur goals there ..
Day should start with passion,plan and end with contentment.
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Simhadri:


yela unnav...?

naaku almost one month ayindi bench...
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Pulpfiction:

Is ego good , in terms of ambitions ?




Yes, its not only good, it is a prerequisite... you only aim to acheive something if you have a sense of Self/ or collective ego that needs to be satisfied...

Once ego is destroyed there is no drive to improve anything , not even yourself.. people learn to live in peace with their circumstances and there is no motivation to change them :-)
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Calling Ego DB'ers




East Godavari zilla vaallani pilustunnavanukuna. My bad...
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Ego ante Bootu anukunevadini..Fountain Head chadivaka naa view change ayyindi..
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One simple question ..

Is ego good , in terms of ambitions ?

"Norman Vincent Peale" says 'make a realistic estimate of ur ability and increase it by 10% .. dont be egoistic'

is it correct ?
Day should start with passion,plan and end with contentment.