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Mental_sachinodu:

right or wrong anedhi kooda perception ee kadha mari. even if there is an absolute right/wrong, we still have to percieve it. as far as i understand you cannot escape it, I am not sure what I am missing here?



mean to say perception of right or wrong doesnot change over time ani..
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Mental_sachinodu:

right or wrong anedhi kooda perception ee kadha mari. even if there is an absolute right/wrong, we still have to percieve it. as far as i understand you cannot escape it, I am not sure what I am missing here?




I think you both are beating around the same bush or may be I am stupid.
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Getafix:

Perception distortion is seperate anukuntunna brother




right or wrong anedhi kooda perception ee kadha mari. even if there is an absolute right/wrong, we still have to percieve it. as far as i understand you cannot escape it, I am not sure what I am missing here?
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mental_sachinodu:



Perception distortion is seperate anukuntunna brother... Aakali vesinvadiki annam pettatam moral kani badhakam tho addukkathinevaniki annam pettatam thappu.. so oka vyakthi mana deggiriki ochi annam pettamani adigithe - manam ela percieve chestham anedi mana meeda depended..we act according to what we think is just at that time.. but when similar dilemma takes effect in much complex situation we tend to think relatively and we take different perceptions into account..
Ee perception distortion valla manaku rakarakala scriptures puttukochai,
Aatman is supreme ani advaitam cheppithe , Manushallo ahambhaavam perigipothundemo ani oka percpetion valla vishishta advaitam putkochindi - atman goppade kani aatman ni rule chesedi paramathman ani vishishtanga advaithanni chepparu ramanujacharyulu.. So perceptions ki morality/truth/right ki serious ga chusthe major link antu ledu anukuntunna.. ofcourse thats my view.
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Getafix:

This is how i see it brother.. We live in competitive world and everything is driven by competition.. we ourselves become relative to others isntead of being absolute . I may be wrong or i may sound stupid but that is what i think..




definetly this view is true, we live in a competitive world. and we dont try to be absolute. but we are talking about perceptions here, the actual act itself is absolute and concrete like we ourselves are. but the act is being viewed using different perceptions.

the duality here is between what is real and what is percieved. lets take the color blue, and it is an absolute in a physical dimension, and the act of seeing it is also absolute. but what we percieve from this absolute thing(?? can it be said a thing) is not real.

similarly the act - a person copying in an exam is real, but the perception of whether it is right or wrong changes, as our perceptions are liable to change. if you are asking if there is a truth that does not change for the act of copying, you are looking for trouble :-), that is what the whole human civilization have been trying to know. the search for eternal truths, that is where the eternal truths given by our vedas or any other scriptures are.

may be this is a bit of off topic, karma sidhantham lo kaala dharmam gurinchi untundhi, kalanni batti dharmam maaruthundhi ani mana scriptures lo untundhi, that is indirectly saying the way we percieve a karma(an act) changes by time. and i think we had these discussions earlier too, sree ramudu seetha nu agni pravesam cheyinchatam entha varaku dharmam, how moral is it? it was a moral act, according to its time. mari ivvala adhi chala mandhiki adhi thappu anipisthundhi. to me the perception is different today, as the dharma itself is different today.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Getafix:


How does morality change with time and space brother? Morality anedi absolute kada. Pareeksha lo copy kottatam anedi immoral .. hall lo unna students andaru copy kodthunnaru so nenu kodatha ante - does that change from immoral to moral.. please help me understand




Perhaps I should have added more words to that sentence to make my point.

You are right, certain things are wrong irrespective of time, place and situation. However, there are other deeds which could be categorized either good or bad based on many other factors. Just for example, premarital sex was an out-right sin for older generation, especially in conservative families. But now a days we see its greater prevalence in our society, particularly in metro cities; an example of time based change. The same example can also be applicable if you are comparing different cultures. In western countries, it was/is more accepted compared to eastern cultures - example for place based change in the definition. Ofcourse copying in exam is wrong whether it is in USA or India; or older or newer generation.
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Linkmaster:

be lenient on others.. and strict to ur self..

u will understand right or wrong easly..



ala ayithe self pity ekkuvaithundemo link annai..
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Getafix:

So any act that is unreasonable from you, has better chance of being moral/right/truthful..




example ga mahabharatha lo karnudi story.. He supports dhuryodhana during the episode of draupadi vasthrapaharana - there is no evidence in mahabharatha that karna ,later repents on what he did.. he dies a soldier's death believing he stood for what he thought was right.
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be lenient on others.. and strict to ur self..

u will understand right or wrong easly..
"Reputation to be valued more than one's life".. Geetha
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Mental_sachinodu:

Morality anedhi absolute kaadhu anipisthundhi. there are cetain rules to which we adhere to, and morality is usually based on those rules.



I think morality is independent of dimension.. once you transcend the so called "rules" i believe morality will have absolute value..

This is how i see it brother.. We live in competitive world and everything is driven by competition.. we ourselves become relative to others isntead of being absolute . I may be wrong or i may sound stupid but that is what i think..

So any act that is unreasonable from you, has better chance of being moral/right/truthful..
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Getafix:

Morality anedi absolute kada. Pareeksha lo copy kottatam anedi immoral ..




Morality anedhi absolute kaadhu anipisthundhi. there are cetain rules to which we adhere to, and morality is usually based on those rules. Pareeksha lo copy kotta koodadhu anedhi mana rule, and hence the morality. if the rule itself is non-existent, so does the morality.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Cylonesubbarao:

But here is his answer.

1. When there is an issue within your family then whatever you do makes majority happy then that is right... if not it is wrong.
2. Similarly when an issue includes couple of neighbors then think in larger interest... even if your action troubles your own family but helps many outsiders then do that without hesitation and it will be considered as right.
3. Slowly your domain increases...



Budhudu thana family ni chala badhapettadu.. Bharyani,kodukuni and thandrini odilesi desa rakshana kosam vellada ante adi ledu velli serious ga sanyasi ayyadu.. Budhudu chesindhi thappa ayithe
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Getafix:

if happiness is driven by myth then i think atleast half of the universe should be happy.




i do not how you can conclude that, I did not say people create myths to be happy, I said myths can drive happiness, but not necessarily people follow myths to make them happier.


Getafix:

Killin is ok anedi myth aytihe then torturing an enemy is also ok avvali kada given similar circumstances..



again it might not be true. It again depends on the myth, whether killing is better or torture is better.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Chillarodu:

The question should be - do you think the decision made at that TIME is right or wrong.

My point is Right or worng changes by time.



So in other words , what may be right in the past may become wrong in present/future then.. So it is perfectly ok if we do soemthing thinnking as right at that point and that 'thing' come back and haunts us in present/future..
Ila ayithe inka right and wrong differentiation nullify ayipothundi kada
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Ishan:

It is a different story that the definition of morality changes according to the time and space.



How does morality change with time and space brother? Morality anedi absolute kada. Pareeksha lo copy kottatam anedi immoral .. hall lo unna students andaru copy kodthunnaru so nenu kodatha ante - does that change from immoral to moral.. please help me understand
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Ishan:

We need not necessarily think about the other person's qualifications. Some times even the worst of the people can say good things that are useful to you. Doesn't matter if they said it intentionally or not.





Chillarodu:

My point is Right or worng changes by time.


True.
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Cylonesubbarao:

1. When there is an issue within your family then whatever you do makes majority happy then that is right... if not it is wrong.
2. Similarly when an issue includes couple of neighbors then think in larger interest... even if your action troubles your own family but helps many outsiders then do that without hesitation and it will be considered as right.
3. Slowly your domain increases...




I have not read Gita. My analysis is based on mathematics. My bottom line is right/wrong is relative depends on a basis.
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Cylonesubbarao:

How do you decide what is right and what is wrong?




This is what I believe in, Anything that is Selfish is wrong/immoral and anything that is unselfish is right/moral. It is a different story that the definition of morality changes according to the time and space.


Cylonesubbarao:

If someone advises you.. will you think about his/her credentials before even considering what he/she is talking about?




We need not necessarily think about the other person's qualifications. Some times even the worst of the people can say good things that are useful to you. Doesn't matter if they said it intentionally or not.
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Cylonesubbarao:

But here is his answer.




I think Right or Wrong is also for that momemt only.
1. When there is an issue within your family then whatever you do makes majority happy then that is right... if not it is wrong.

You did somthing to make majority happy. But that same decision could become wrong making majority unhappy later.

So the below question is wrong.
do you think the decison made is right or wrong?

The question should be - do you think the decision made at that TIME is right or wrong.

My point is Right or worng changes by time.
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Dolby_digital:

If the probability of people being hurt from a deed is less then the sample people


This is one of the answers thrown by a fellow student... which most of the class agreed. He is a hindu (not that this info is important here...) and he referred Bhagawadgita.... naaku teliyadu but he said it is what preached by Krishna.... nenu ee roju ki kooda adi confirm chesukoledhu.

But here is his answer.

1. When there is an issue within your family then whatever you do makes majority happy then that is right... if not it is wrong.
2. Similarly when an issue includes couple of neighbors then think in larger interest... even if your action troubles your own family but helps many outsiders then do that without hesitation and it will be considered as right.
3. Slowly your domain increases...
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Cylonesubbarao:

How do you decide what is right and what is wrong?

How do you teach/preach it to others (may be to your friends/cousins/kids)?

If someone advises you.. will you think about his/her credentials before even considering what he/she is talking about?




You certainly need a reference point to decide. Without which you cannot say what is right and what is not. That reference becomes the axiom of your theory, it could be a new religion altogether or science.

e.g. The axiom of Natural numbers are countable and infinite is the start number theory.
e.g. Any country's judicial system is the reference for that country's legal and illegal deeds.
e.g. If the probability of people being hurt from a deed is less then the sample people act as your reference by whose evidence you are proving that the deed in subject is right or harmless.
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Mental_sachinodu:

a devotee of a god is happy when he offers his prayer, and that is based on his myth that his god has accepted his offerings. sure he is doing it because he is happy with it, but it is inherently driven by the myth



happiness anedi unidimensional kaadu anukuntunna.. there will be lot of variables that will drive happiness (and there by "rightness" )..
if happiness is driven by myth then i think atleast half of the universe should be happy.

Killin is ok anedi myth aytihe then torturing an enemy is also ok avvali kada given similar circumstances..
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Cylonesubbarao:

I'm not questioning what soldier thinks... but as an outside person... how do you see it? Is that right or wrong to you?

Same question on B.Laden and others... we saw what they did... now post your opinion on 'what you think' about those incidents and about them? (not 'what they think')




cylone brother,
I am talking about perspectives too, right and wrong are based on our perceptions which stem from the myths we believe in. As an outside person you analyze according to your myths. if you are asking my perspective, i believe in the myth that killing a civilian is wrong, and that makes me feel that what bin laden and others did is a wrong deed. to a friend of mine, killing is wrong(whether a civilian or in a war), so every war is wrong according to him.

my myths change, rights and wrongs change accordingly. for sometime i hold on to the myth that every living being on this earth has the same right as we do, and we humans should be prepared to stop treating this world as our dominion and live by the rules that every other living creature lives by, and that point everything we humans do, however peaceful it is to our fellow human beings, it is wrong to me.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mental_sachinodu:

here the solider in a war believes in a myth that killing an enemy is OK. that myth drives/allows him to kill another person.


I'm not questioning what soldier thinks... but as an outside person... how do you see it? Is that right or wrong to you?

Same question on B.Laden and others... we saw what they did... now post your opinion on 'what you think' about those incidents and about them? (not 'what they think')
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Getafix:

how about this... killing enemy gives happiness to the soldier ..to him killing enemy is right
to others it may be right or it may be wrong.




brother,

happiness is also driven by myth according to me. i am not talking about physical pleasures, which to me is entirely different from happiness. what makes you happy is based on what myth you belong to.

a devotee of a god is happy when he offers his prayer, and that is based on his myth that his god has accepted his offerings. sure he is doing it because he is happy with it, but it is inherently driven by the myth.

the killing of enemy may bring happiness to a soldier(but still it is subjective), but it is still driven by the myth that it is ok to kill an enemy.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mental_sachinodu:

i have proof read my posts.




ee statement lo no mistake.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mental_sachinodu:

here the solider in a war believes in a myth that killing an enemy is OK



how about this... killing enemy gives happiness to the soldier ..to him killing enemy is right
to others it may be right or it may be wrong.
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Cylonesubbarao:

Now in a war (say World War 3) killing an enemy is OK... there is no myth, belief, religion involved there right...




cylone brother,
I do not think you and I are on the same plane on what a myth is, according to me myth is anything that you believe, it does not matter whether that belief is true in a real sense.

here the solider in a war believes in a myth that killing an enemy is OK. that myth drives/allows him to kill another person.

to drive the point further, we believe in the myth that we should love our mother, and we should never hurt her in anyway. but if this myth changes, hurting your mother does not seem to be a problem any more.
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Mental_sachinodu:

but killing an animal is wrong



but killing an animal is not wrong, atleast at the same level as killing a human


Mental_sachinodu:

atheists believe the myth that there is not god,



that there is no god ani chaduvukogalaru

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Mental_sachinodu:


Good answer and a different dimension...

Now in a war (say World War 3) killing an enemy is OK... there is no myth, belief, religion involved there right... so here comes another question... is killing a person in a war right or wrong?

Enti veedu never ending questions adugutunnadu ani anukovaddhu... time unappudu answering cheyyi....
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Cylonesubbarao:

How do you decide what is right and what is wrong?




When you are being unreasonable you are doing right and when you are toatally reasonable - you are totally wrong..
conversely - you make everyone happy by doing wrong . you make yourself happy by doing the right.. So teaching/preaching ki osthe you are teaching your kids to do right things (which makes you happy not your kids) but in reality you are teaching them to be wrong..
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okad right unkod wrong unkod wrong okad right avutundi..
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Cylonesubbarao:




cylone brother,

according to me, we live in a world of myths, and the myths we believe in determine what is right and wrong. these myths keep changing and so does the definition of right and wrong. we believe in alot of myths, without knowing that it is a myth. for instance, one myth is that we believe killing a human is wrong, but killing an animal is wrong. now if this myth changes that killing an animal is as wrong as killing a human. our daily life, and our way life changes with that change in myth.

in a real perspective there is no right or wrong, there is only a myth that suggests what is wrong or what is right. now going back to bin laden et al, they believe in the myth that a human can be killed as long as they enemies of islam, that drives what is right and wrong for them.

hindus believe that they are part of nature, to them god is in nature, and this myth makes it right for them to worship nature, but in christianity and islam, god is against nature, nature is against man, man is against nature, man is againt god, and their myth is that the world needs to be corrected to live by rules of god, and this myth defines the realms of right and wrong to them.

atheists believe the myth that there is not god, and the right and wrong for them is defined by that myth.

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Chillarodu:

If you feel good about what you are doing and if it helps others then it is right even if it is illegal.


Ok... so what is your opinion on Bin Laden? or the guys who killed on 26/11 in Mumbai?

PS: Edo kindal cheyyali ani adagadam ledhu brother...... I was asked same questions by one of my professors.. of course not in the class... adi kooda maa iddari madhya unna rapport tho aa discussion ala continue ayyindi.
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Cylonesubbarao:

1. Lets say you are doing a bad thing (considered illegal by law) but is helping MANY PEOPLE... do you consider this as right or wrong?

2. You did something which has to be done in that manner and is considered legal but in the process HURTS MANY. Do you consider this as wrong?




Rao Garu,
You questions are too generic.
Lets say you are doing a bad thing ....regardless this is legal or illegal if you feel that you are doing a bad thing then that is wrong.

If you feel good about what you are doing and if it helps others then it is right even if it is illegal.
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Chillarodu:

Right is right in every place and vice versa


Now... can you please look at my post #10566 and answer.
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Chillarodu:

You cannot equate legal/Illegal to Right/Wrong

Legal in one place is Illegal in another place.

Right is right in every place and vice versa




I agree with this, but Cylone brother example adigindhi illegal pani chesi okariki help cheyatam gurinchi kadha ani cheppa.
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Mental_sachinodu:

now I do not think what I did was correct, and i did something illegal. I approached the problem in a wrong way, the person was happy at the end, but i still did the wrong thing. so will i be judged now?


I myself always question... is this right or wrong? You are also in the same boat as mine.

While I was in one of the BHAGVADGITA sessions... I had the same question.... and I got different responses... which pushed me into further confusion again.
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Mental_sachinodu:

now I do not think what I did was correct, and i did something illegal.




You cannot equate legal/Illegal to Right/Wrong

Legal in one place is Illegal in another place.

Right is right in every place and vice versa
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mental tamud...what you did was correct...congi govt lo no wonder govt employees are looting more than before...same happened when I went for my flat name registration...bob introduced hassle-free system and now no one cares about it..endhuk ante kurrol ki dabbul raavu ani..chass...
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Cylonesubbarao:

Hypothetical ga oka situation oohinchukuni cheppu brother (ledante nee creativity mind ke avamaanam ).. or at least think that I was involved in those 2 use cases... so now tell me how do you judge me?




I can give an example, this is my experience. I was in india in 2007 august, I went to a certain government office to assist my uncle with some legal formalities he had to do. while I was there, a certain government office was harassing a person to give his due documents, and the person was pleading saying he cannot pay anything to him, as he does not have any money. he came from a remote village in nalgonda, and he does not have anyone in the city who can help him for now. that officer was not budging. I gave that person some money, he paid the officer and got his documents.

now I do not think what I did was correct, and i did something illegal. I approached the problem in a wrong way, the person was happy at the end, but i still did the wrong thing. so will i be judged now?
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Mental_sachinodu:



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Dhaarkaar:

I never faced these situations so no experience to answer these q's..sorry


Hypothetical ga oka situation oohinchukuni cheppu brother (ledante nee creativity mind ke avamaanam ).. or at least think that I was involved in those 2 use cases... so now tell me how do you judge me?
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Cylonesubbarao:

Good one... please answer these use cases also...

1. Lets say you are doing a bad thing (considered illegal by law) but is helping MANY PEOPLE... do you consider this as right or wrong?

2. You did something which has to be done in that manner and is considered legal but in the process HURTS MANY. Do you consider this as wrong?


I never faced these situations so no experience to answer these q's..sorry
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Cylonesubbarao:

ee thread lo ni basmasura hastham eyyaku please....




Pavala....neevu thread loki vastey ney janalu bayapaduthunaru antey.....

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Dhaarkaar:


BTW, 5 *'s to your first post.
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Dhaarkaar:

If u do things which is not hurting others and are helpful to you - thats right

If u do things which hurt others and are helpful to you- thats wrong

If u do things which dont hurt others and are not helpful to you - thats right

If u do things which hurt others and are helpful to you - thats wrong


Good one... please answer these use cases also...

1. Lets say you are doing a bad thing (considered illegal by law) but is helping MANY PEOPLE... do you consider this as right or wrong?

2. You did something which has to be done in that manner and is considered legal but in the process HURTS MANY. Do you consider this as wrong?
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Cylonesubbarao:

ee thread lo ni basmasura hastham eyyaku please....


rao gaaru meeku mohamtam ekkuva..inshort gaa thread lo ninchi dobbeyi anataniki sanskrutham vaduthunaaraa...
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Dhaarkaar:

If u do things which hurt others and are helpful to you - thats wrong




annai ,
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Pavala:



the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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If u do things which is not hurting others and are helpful to you - thats right

If u do things which hurt others and are helpful to you- thats wrong

If u do things which dont hurt others and are not helpful to you - thats right

If u do things which hurt others and are helpful to you - thats wrong
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Pavala:

cycles tamud...say something to OT tamud...if he says "right", then it is wrong..vice versa..


ee thread lo ni basmasura hastham eyyaku please....

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cycles tamud...say something to OT tamud...if he says "right", then it is wrong..vice versa..
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How do you decide what is right and what is wrong?

How do you teach/preach it to others (may be to your friends/cousins/kids)?

If someone advises you.. will you think about his/her credentials before even considering what he/she is talking about?
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