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Pplsuck:

the girl had the children and the guy made them his own kids...........


Did i read that right?

What a entrance Dr saheb ??
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Anand and Raju,

you both are either too innocent or really dumb.....It's simple....the guy dint have child in his fate....but the girl had kids in her fate......when their fates are tied together, the girl had the children and the guy made them his own kids...........

I don't see what the problem is.......unless someone is getting into genetics and DNA.....we know cuckoos are everywhere...
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Question for all believers and non believers in Astrology

Tell me one thing how people predict exactly whats going to happen in future
looking at the date of birth and time of birth?

It happenned to be exactly true according to my chart - take my example
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Der_schuler

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Assuming that the universe indeed is deterministic, can you kindly elaborate how does it obviate the necessity of God??
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then its behaviour is determined by consistent physical laws. right? no intervention of a super being(who can change laws) out side the system is allowed. so the degree of the predictability is the degree of knowing the physical laws and the power of our computability.


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This is what people call a mathematical pitfall...if indeterminacy can't explain god how does assuming a method of "Reductio ad absurdum" obviate God????
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ok. let me try to give simple examples....

is outcome of toss( tossing a coin) or dice is determinate or predictable?

role a ball from top of a mountain. can we predict the path it takes?

what causes indeterminacy in these cases? do we need to posit God here?

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If there are laws in place...DETERMINISTIC or so called fuzzy, who framed those laws????
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who created the creator( same old question). i am not advocating determinism.my ideas are not yet definitive about it. i am not sure how determinism and God concept is reconciled. astrology requires determinism and God/free-will can cause indetermincay.
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email ID??
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my dad is a very good astrologist
I believe in astrology but dont want to know future or predict others future :-)
if u guys r very sensitive abt ur astrology u can mail me. i vl talk to my dad
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Anand_n:

really do not see a reason why the DB cannot be the starting point of that inquiry




anand garu,
that is my point too. I learnt alot in these dbs. My intent is also to encourage everyone(both supporting and not supporting) to study abit more about the topic. I think i have started on the wrong foot.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Anand_n:


from your post in the other thread

Anand_n:

Grahala balam untundi , even moon phase effect mind meda untundi .. My take is simple - astrology shows you what you were born with...Karma siddhantam lo cheppali ante...

Your cumulative karma is sanchita karma ...the karma allotted to this birth/life is Prarabdha karma ...

Your natal astrological chart reflects the prarabdha karma dispositions...that is your starting point.You cannot change prarabdha so I personally see no point in knowing it...

Now comes the variable of free will or Kriyamaan...

Your karma at a given point in this life is a function of your prarabdha and kriyamaan...

SO the more kriyamaan you accumulate the less relevance prarabdha has...




Thats a beautiful explanation. It not only fills up some gaps in re-birth concept, but also brings some sense to why some people who do all good karmas die so early and some people who do bad karmas all their lives live longer and happier. Probably the prarabdha karma of these people is so powerful that it might over-power the sanchitha karmas...something in similar lines...will post in detail later.
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Mental_sachinodu:

when we are arguing about anything it is a minimum courtesy that we at least try to educate ourselves what the concept is




I really do not see a reason why the DB cannot be the starting point of that inquiry :-)


Rajusk:

but you can correct the Karma incurred...




Exactly - but the chart is a point in time snapshot of your karma(at birth) :-)

Puttinappudu nundi 25 years varaku chesina karma chart lo undadu kada ...So the chart should lose relevance with age as kriyamaan accumulates...

Anyway let's stop here and agree to disagree :-)

Post 4689 lo link ichanu my take from what I have read/heard from some practitioners...that makes the most sense to me :-)

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Mrhyderabad:

Got your point.

Ground is all yours...




brother,
Somehow I expected this response. Sorry if I offended you or others, it is just that I dint see this dicussion moving in any direction but ending up in a vengeful mockery of each others. My point was not to make people stay away from discussion, but to put forth my two scents that may be people involved in the discussion have to bend a bit more to dig for understanding what they are talking about.

anyways, sorry for being a spoil sport here.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mental_sachinodu:



Der_schuler:


Got your point.

Ground is all yours...
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MS,

Anduke nenu BPHS meeda question vesanu..

Janalu Bejan Daruwalla cheppindi Astrology anukoni motham Astrology ni khandisthe em cheyyalemu...navvukogalamu anthe
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Mrhyderabad:

Alaa ayite ee DB close cheseyochu. What do we know about Film Making process or politics to discuss about them every day? None of us have formal education on film making or political science areas.




first politics and political science are 2 differnt things all together!!!!!

Film making is an art not an science!!!!!!!

Science and religion gurinchi matladetappudu its better to ask a question.....

'Am I qualified to talk abt this...if not so....then qualify ur post with "I think", "in as much as I know" etc"

That is called discussion......

Vedams......planets kashtapadatam...this is called mockery....and it just takes a second to show that the poster is not worthy enough to comment on edifices like religion, scriptures and science.......

One needs a certain intellectual standing either through training or intrinsic discipline to learn to STATE as opposed to opine....

As far as I know
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Mrhyderabad:

Alaa ayite ee DB close cheseyochu. What do we know about Film Making process or politics to discuss about them every day? None of us have formal education on film making or political science areas.

Oka subject lo research chesi tala pandina vaallu maathrame disco ki eligible.. rest all should take rest ante elaa?




Mr Hyderabad,
I do not think closing the db down is the answer here, when we are arguing about anything it is a minimum courtesy that we at least try to educate ourselves what the concept is. If we are arguing about the style of making a movie, at least we need to make an honest attempt to understand the basics of what we are talking about. If we do not have the patience, enthusiasm to understand about the involved concepts, may be it is better to stay away from such topics.

I have used the wrong word "Formal", the education need not be formal, but a candid one.

How does it fare with anyone here, if I would say newton's law of gravity is trash, but I will not get into the details of the actual law.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mallik:

naalo naaku teliyani inkodu unnadu anipistadi


naalo naaku iddaru mugguru vunnaru anipisthundi
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Soniafan:

but i dont think you are the person who can Judge Hawking's work.....you also need to read a lot to understand his theories




Hawking ni evaru techaru first discussion loki...???????? to support whose points??????

"So bible lo cheppinadhi christians follow ayinatlu.....hawking cheppinadhi nenu blindga nammuthanu"

Deenni moorkhatvam antaru..a.nd hawking ni teeeskuni velli einstein tho kalipesaru.....meeku brief history of time pedha pustakam ayyundachu...there are several students..I mean serious students of physics who see it as Chacha choudhary.....

Its evident that u are not trained in either physics or math at a grad level....but thats fine......learn to stick to the premises of ur OWN belief systsm
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Getafix:

I believe god when I need to and I dont when I dont need to


.. same here.. naalo naaku teliyani inkodu unnadu anipistadi.. Its not that I dont believe in god, its just that I dont want to believe in god..
In this db, there's always someone watching you!!
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Mental_sachinodu:

we are arguing about the validity of a concept or a system, that most involved in the argument do not have any formal education about it


Alaa ayite ee DB close cheseyochu. What do we know about Film Making process or politics to discuss about them every day? None of us have formal education on film making or political science areas.

Oka subject lo research chesi tala pandina vaallu maathrame disco ki eligible.. rest all should take rest ante elaa?
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Mrhyderabad:

meeru atheist aa? If yes and you think i have offended your atheistic principals then you got me wrong totally




nen Hypocrite mama .. I believe god when I need to and I dont when I dont need to..exam pass kavalani thirupathi konda ekkina.. first salary padagane temple poyi without darshanam wada and pongali mesi ochina..

And I am glad that I got wrong.. post esinappatnunchi thokkalo moral lecturing ichina ani yama feeling ayithunde .. also i am heavily happy nee haters ochi naaku 5 stars veyyananduku.. lekunte guilt complex ekkuvayyedi ..thokkalodhi..LOL
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Der_schuler:

you need to read a lot...brother...a hell lot....




Yes, Thatstrue........but i dont think you are the person who can Judge Hawking's work.....you also need to read a lot to understand his theories

Leaving for a meeting, Bye
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Mental_sachinodu:




This is exactly the reason why good school offer a course called Philosophy of science before a serious student enters a graduate program in physics,Applied physics and App Math. Lot of people can't even differentiate the difference between a DEDUCTIVE system and an INDUCTIVE system.....

For many Atheism is a fad...an obsession to be like some one else whom they deem as cool....so is the case with mindless followers......

There exists a system of 7000 year old legacy that withstood the analysis of great minds who redefined science and its apalling to see Project Managers, programmers like us even dare to talk about such a system....with out even having a basic knowledge of its composition
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Anand_n:


Probability lo Conditional probability la anukondi.
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Getafix:

meeru mee atheist view points valla victimise kabadtharu annattuga post esinru


meeru atheist aa? If yes and you think i have offended your atheistic principals then you got me wrong totally
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Anand_n:

So what you are saying is if there is gap in the individual's horoscope you balance with the partner's horoscope ..

To me that means the individual's horoscope can be corrected by his own actions,consciously or unconsciously , does it not ?

So after marriage, do they draw a new combibnation horoscope, because the individual ones are normalised ?





You cannot correct chart, but you can correct the Karma incurred...anduke astrological remedies kooda untayi..

For someone born on Amavasya...Krishna chaturdasi...there are separate poojas to be done and so on..

It is a different story that fake astrologers are hijacking the remedies and making money...

normalize cheyyadaniki adi data kadu kadandi...you will try to balance a negatives in one chart with the positives in the spouse's chart..as simple as that
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Anand_n:

Rusy Modi's statement is perfectly fine - what has feeling old or young got to do with thinking they are immortal...?




how u think its perfectly fine. his tone was not in cool when he replied

he replied it with sheer arrogance...

as if OLD AGE will not touch him or he is immune to OLD age

akkada OLD AGE WHATS THAT, ikkada DB lo GOD!! WHATS THAT..

no difference in mentality
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Mental_sachinodu:

Even if we are take a quantitative analysis on the success of failure of applying the concepts, we can never understand the concept and its evolution.




I agree completely with this
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Soniafan:

neevu annadhi ala vunnadhi antey eppudu modern scientist ami ayina invent chestey......u will give credit to that old scientist who invented Atom or Proton...




you need to read a lot...brother...a hell lot....

Newton said.." I stand on the shoulders of giants and what I see what they have granted me vantage of"

deeni meaning telusukuni....then try to post the next post
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what is weird to me is, we are arguing about the validity of a concept or a system, that most involved in the argument do not have any formal education about it. It takes years for people to understand the concepts of a study, and then may be they can come up with a view on what the system is.

Even if we are take a quantitative analysis on the success of failure of applying the concepts, we can never understand the concept and its evolution.

All these arguments without enough education behind the concept will just end up as an egoistic exchange of harsh words. no gain by transfer of knowledge to either ways of the debate, to me which is the whole point of a debate.
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Anand_n:

If we think our belief in God needs to be respected , I think we need to extend the same respect to someone who does not believe in God...neither believers nor atheists are above questioning in my mind...



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Meeru thursday so 150 ani astrology ni comedy chesaaru ani anukoni nenu kuda joke chesaa




joke lagane teesukunna mama

Ok.. the reason why i said that is - meeru mee atheist view points valla victimise kabadtharu annattuga post esinru.. yesterday you said - let not argue because people will offend family members too ani.. well i agree getting to family members and all is ugly and disgusting but in a way you getting personal too by ridiculing other's view points.. and very often in an argument, people will boil thier blood and resort to abuse..

I may be wrong if you didnot intend what i said in any of your posts but to me they sounded like that way.. so go easy on me if read toomuch in your posts
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If we think our belief in God needs to be respected , I think we need to extend the same respect to someone who does not believe in God...neither believers nor atheists are above questioning in my mind...

And questioning something does not mean ridiculing - aa simple distinction ardham avute debates can be more productive..

Rusy Modi's statement is perfectly fine - what has feeling old or young got to do with thinking they are immortal...?

Maybe Ravino's is right - beliefs are therapy and the poor and unhappy need it more than the people who are comfortable and happy :-)

Every viewpoint is valid anukuntene discussion cheyyochu - ledu manaki telisinde right anukunte why bother with DBs...:-)
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Basky_indya:

my reply was to ANAND
its usually the RICH and SETTLED(no jhanjat) who does the GOD BASHING.

can u show me anyone who is in poor /or troubles and still does god bashing...


ONE FAMOUS QUOTE : RUSI MODY I think TATA companies chairman once on LIVE TV said, interviewer asked you are very active and hardworking inspite ur OLD AGE..

RUSY MODI : OLD AGE!!!!! WHATS THAT... (he thinks he is mortal becoz of his stature,)

atta untadi, konthamandi postlu choosthu unte





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Anna,

Schoridnger,Tesla, Heisenberg,Einstein,Max Bohm,Teller,Fermi.....bacha anukuntunnava????

Between them they invented ALL MODERN PHYSICS.....

THEY THEMSELVES ENDORSED THAT VEDIC SYSTEM IS THE MOST COMPLETE SYSTEM OF KNOWLEDGE ani.......





Nenu bacha ani analedhu babai....

GPS invent chesina vadu modern scientist........neevu back to ancient world loki velli.....it was traced to indian vedic system antunavu..........

neevu annadhi ala vunnadhi antey eppudu modern scientist ami ayina invent chestey......u will give credit to that old scientist who invented Atom or Proton....
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Rajusk:

What is Santana prapthi?

There is no checklist in Astrology to guarentee child birth..

If one has issues regarding child birth and if their spouse's chart counter balances then things might work out





When they do the horoscope at birth and make predictions they list all that - marriage partner, children etc...

So what you are saying is if there is gap in the individual's horoscope you balance with the partner's horoscope ..

To me that means the individual's horoscope can be corrected by his own actions,consciously or unconsciously , does it not ?

So after marriage, do they draw a new combibnation horoscope, because the individual ones are normalised ?
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my reply was to ANAND
its usually the RICH and SETTLED(no jhanjat) who does the GOD BASHING.

can u show me anyone who is in poor /or troubles and still does god bashing...


ONE FAMOUS QUOTE : RUSI MODY I think TATA companies chairman once on LIVE TV said, interviewer asked you are very active and hardworking inspite ur OLD AGE..

RUSY MODI : OLD AGE!!!!! WHATS THAT... (he thinks he is mortal becoz of his stature,)

atta untadi, konthamandi postlu choosthu unte

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Anand_n:

its usually the RICH and SETTLED(no jhanjat) who does the GOD BASHING.

can u show me anyone who is in poor /or troubles and still does god bashing...


ONE FAMOUS QUOTE : RUSI MODY I think TATA companies chairman once on LIVE TV said, interviewer asked you are very active and hardworking inspite ur OLD AGE..

RUSY MODI : OLD AGE!!!!! WHATS THAT... (he thinks he is mortal becoz of his stature,)

atta untadi, konthamandi postlu choosthu unte



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Getafix:

ade kaadu brother.. there were few posts sounded that way.. pardon me if i was mistaken.. nen judging chala weakk .. so edo attempt sesina.


Meeru thursday so 150 ani astrology ni comedy chesaaru ani anukoni nenu kuda joke chesaa
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Science always mapped religious evolution but never superseded it.....




Till now it not superseded........but after sometime it will supersed
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Anand garu,

What is Santana prapthi?

There is no checklist in Astrology to guarentee child birth..

If one has issues regarding child birth and if their spouse's chart counter balances then things might work out
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its usually the RICH and SETTLED(no jhanjat) who does the GOD BASHING.

can u show me anyone who is in poor /or troubles and still does god bashing...


ONE FAMOUS QUOTE : RUSI MODY I think TATA companies chairman once on LIVE TV said, interviewer asked you are very active and hardworking inspite ur OLD AGE..

RUSY MODI : OLD AGE!!!!! WHATS THAT... (he thinks he is mortal becoz of his stature,)

atta untadi, konthamandi postlu choosthu unte
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Anna,

Schoridnger,Tesla, Heisenberg,Einstein,Max Bohm,Teller,Fermi.....bacha anukuntunnava????

Between them they invented ALL MODERN PHYSICS.....

THEY THEMSELVES ENDORSED THAT VEDIC SYSTEM IS THE MOST COMPLETE SYSTEM OF KNOWLEDGE ani.......

Schrodinger died as a practising HIndu with Bhagavadgita bside his death bed ANNA.......

Who are u and me...before Schrodinger...who is Hawking and others before Schrodinger...HE INEVENTED FREAKING QUANTUM MECHANICS
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Adi emotional enipinchindaa .. ohh my mad !




ade kaadu brother.. there were few posts sounded that way.. pardon me if i was mistaken.. nen judging chala weakk .. so edo attempt sesina.
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naalugu science mukkalu nersukunna prathodu,

mana purana heritage ,mana vedic science ni bashing...




See my post 741
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just like mr.hyd brother got emotional and retorted when he said -planet entha kashtapadalo to make my prediciton come true.


Adi emotional enipinchindaa .. ohh my mad !
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that science is helpless with out philosophy and religion is the immutable truth of human existence....

Science always mapped religious evolution but never superseded it.....
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friggin A...

my preditcion came true.. with stars aligned and little hardwork.. lalalaala
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Dont try to put words into my mouth...my post dealt with GPS and it alone!!!




OK Sare......lets talk about GPS only........Are you sure if indian vedic system is not there.....we should not have discovered GFS in these modern days ???
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For suppose, meeru, Der, JH etc laanti experts aa supreme court bench lo vunnaru anukondi.. obvious gaa alaage teerpu istharu. So does it make it right?




This exactly how SC's in India have been looting the society for decades...dude, society doesnt heed to 3 peoples verdict if it sees gross violation of sense in it!!!!!!

Human life and societal norm are statistical in their bounds of extension....NUmbers matter to humans
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Anand_n:

It is fun to debate these things from different angles but this is not the place - people get very emotional about their beliefs



hmm.. People wont get emotional if topics such as this are discussed in a dispassionate way.. everybody will have thier own belief system and when somebody comes along and ridicule that one has every right to get emotional. just like mr.hyd brother got emotional and retorted when he said -planet entha kashtapadalo to make my prediciton come true.
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Anand garu,

I myself have personal experience in predicting difficulty in child birth..

Yes, if both charts indicate problems then guarentee ga problems untayi..




Did not answer my question though :-) Did the guy have santana prapti in his individual chart ?
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naalugu science mukkalu nersukunna prathodu,

mana purana heritage ,mana vedic science ni bashing...
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Anand garu,

I myself have personal experience in predicting difficulty in child birth..

Yes, if both charts indicate problems then guarentee ga problems untayi..

I have 3 very good friends as case studies who are very close to me
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Basky_indya:

I belong to a very famous astrologer family descendent..

sucks to see such silly posts in this DB




neeku nachakapothey maa posts antha silly postsaaaa.....

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Science ki foundation antha Indian vedic system vesinadhi..




Dont try to put words into my mouth...my post dealt with GPS and it alone!!! I thought u respected science...yet u dont understand the first premise...an argument is valid only to a context unless until quoted to be so...I never quoted an extension
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Rajusk:

In any case already Supreme Court oppukundi science...malli ee thokkalo discussions avasarama


For suppose, meeru, Der, JH etc laanti experts aa supreme court bench lo vunnaru anukondi.. obvious gaa alaage teerpu istharu. So does it make it right?

Supreme court clean chit ichina hard core criminals, politicians leraa india lo? Does it mean they are good fellas?
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Ravino786:

chala link undhi brohter i just gave example ...it will take lot of depression medicine and int he process side effects ..adhe astrology palm histry antoo ame ni oka guru or some person degariki teesukelli its all in stars ani mind divert chestaru ....its def a teraphy




if it is therapy .. sagam america astrologists and palmistry deggariki veltharu instead of going to their "Shrinks".. And loss of child anedi deepest trauma to any parent ..danni astrology tho therapy ante endhuko ekkaled annai..
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I belong to a very famous astrologer family descendent..

sucks to see such silly posts in this DB
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Der,

Aithe Astrology discoloki ayana peru etla relevant

In any case already Supreme Court oppukundi science...malli ee thokkalo discussions avasarama(read Pokiri style
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Anand_n:

It is fun to debate these things from different angles but this is not the place - people get very emotional about their beliefs


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Sorry brother......If i hurt your feelings.....or if you dont agree with my posts....

I respect Indian vedic system and mana olden people contribution.....

But chala mandhi.....if american scientist discovered something new......they will say ......this was already there in our vedas in olden days only......If some X scientist discovered something great after 100 years.....some of our people say........this was also there in Upanshids....I hate these kind of people who knowingly or unknowingly will give credit to our Vedas and Upanshids always!!!!!!!!!!
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Nisarga:

genetics does this better i guess . what is the basis of astrology? is it completely based on pattern recognition/matching? I cannot deny the possibility of formation of highest level patterns. recognizing them if at all any is kind of amazing!




Do not know how it evolved but very likely the answer is pattern recognition over a significant period of time and extrapolation to the future by trending...

My belief in astrology only goes so far as the influence of the planets on the mind - I do not believe planetary changes cause material events like acquiring possessions etc..

Of all the explanations I heard and read , one karma siddhanta explanation worked well for me ...because I believe in both karma and freewill :-) May not work for you if you do not believe in karma :-)

Explained it in this post ...

http://www.chalanachithram.com/discus/messages/125/56105.htm l?1246046314#POST917140

The simplest causality explanation I could think of was that when a brain leaves the protection of the womb certain hardwiring occurs based on the planetary influences of the moment (which can be deciphered from the natal chart) and then a predictive analysis is done based on that hardwiring and future influences of planets ..Now the flipside of the argument , if the child is born next to a bigger electromagnetic field caused by artifical means the hardwiring would be totally skewed :-)

Astrologers have never answered my cause and effect questions - like the example of childless marriage... did the guy actually have santana prapti in his own chart which was cancelled out by this marriage ?

If yes..
then it is a yea for horoscope matching but cancels out the validity of his individual horoscope

If no...
he was destined to be childless then horoscope matching really made no difference ...:-)

It is fun to debate these things from different angles but this is not the place - people get very emotional about their beliefs :-)
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Oh my god...so GPS was invented overnight??????

if not....it might have inherited scientific ideas from something else...and it from something else.....ad infinitum




What i understand from you is.........Science ki foundation antha Indian vedic system vesinadhi.......what ever Scientific people discovered now should say.......we should not have done this unless we have indian vedic system in olden days ani.......antheynaa
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we are talking RETURN ON INVESTMENT




Why you are talking about ROI now.........How can you calculate ROI now in your defined period........ROI will be high after 100 years...
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I have a gradutae degree in Theoretical Physics..


You are reminding me of my best friend who says "The more he studies about science, the more he believes in God"
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which can be traced back to greek philosophy and then to Indian vedic system




Everything was traced by indian vedic system antey ala.......ani manamu cheppukovatamu kadhu kada.........repu another country lo adho discover chesinaaa.......traced back to our indian vedic system ani cheppeydatlu vunnaru kadaa.......
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GPS is a trivial extension of antenna extenuation of radiative energy.....which was enabled by Planck's understanding of spectral intensities........which was dependent on wave particle duality which was derived from the thoery of fluxions that galileo and Newton defended vociferously.....which originated out of the atomic HYPOTHESIS....which can be traced back to greek philosophy and then to Indian vedic system.....



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refer any link of ur preference and tell me what invention
was enabled by ISS that broke fresh ground and revolutionised science...we are talking RETURN ON INVESTMENT...plain economics which again is NOW called science




ha ha u r funny...NASA luanch chese project ki NASA validation isthunnara....like US chese daridrapu wars ki Bush validity ichinattu......

"refer any link of ur preference and tell me what invention
was enabled by ISS that broke fresh ground and revolutionised science...we are talking RETURN ON INVESTMENT...plain economics which again is NOW called science"

Read this carefully and try to present some evidence
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Der_schuler:

what is the contribution of ISS to human race thus far...please?????????????????




See this link

http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/GSA/Stern.htm

Money spent on Every experiement of science will give result today or tomorrow for our future genrations
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Soniafan:

What exactly Upanshids contributed.........Does people who read upanishads have discovered aeroplane,GPS,Cars,Spaceships.......and impacted our lives




Oh my god...so GPS was invented overnight??????

if not....it might have inherited scientific ideas from something else...and it from something else.....ad infinitum

SCIENCE IS A DEDUCTIVE STRUCTURE ANI TALA PAGILELA CHEPTHUNNA ANDUKANE......it takes generations of knowledge for a scientific discovery...

GPS is a trivial extension of antenna extenuation of radiative energy.....which was enabled by Planck's understanding of spectral intensities........which was dependent on wave particle duality which was derived from the thoery of fluxions that galileo and Newton defended vociferously.....which originated out of the atomic HYPOTHESIS....which can be traced back to greek philosophy and then to Indian vedic system.....


I THINK U HAVE SERIOUS MISCONCEPTION OF HOW AND WHY SCIENCE EVOLVED....I dont think we can make a decent discussion....

PLEASE PUT SOME EFFORTS TO READ:

"The structure of scientific revolutions".....THomas Kuhn.....MIT
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mother loosing child ki palmistry or astrology ki link enti detroit lo hollywood laga

chala link undhi brohter i just gave example ...it will take lot of depression medicine and int he process side effects ..adhe astrology palm histry antoo ame ni oka guru or some person degariki teesukelli its all in stars ani mind divert chestaru ....its def a teraphy
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UPANISHADS ARE THE GREATEST PIECE OF KNOWLEDGE EVER KNOWN TO MANKIND.....




I will definetly agree bro !!!

But manamu evala entha modern world with lot of luxury lo vuntaniki impact chesinavi ami ayina vunnayaa Upanishads lo......

What exactly Upanshids contributed.........Does people who read upanishads have discovered aeroplane,GPS,Cars,Spaceships.......and impacted our lives

Can you please elaborate.......what upanishids have done
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i saw many who are corrupted and big officers who do lot of corruption do lot of pujas and believe in astrology, palm-history a lot..... it's there teraphy to keep them active as they know they are doing bad innerconsius ni overcome cheyataniki they do pujas and donate a lot to tirupathi or temples.....
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if a mother looses her kid in front of her best teraphy is diverting her attention to some kind of activity so manolly astrology meedha and palm history meedha a talli ni divert chesi chala matuku karma siddantam tho set chestaru...



okkosari nuvvu anavasaramga iriki worshtu posts esi nana himsa pedthav annai..mother loosing child ki palmistry or astrology ki link enti detroit lo hollywood laga
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Asala see NASA contributions to this earth......one of them is International Space Station
, Living in Space (1998-present)




what is the contribution of ISS to human race thus far...please?????????????????

refer any link of ur preference and tell me what invention was enabled by ISS that broke fresh ground and revolutionised science...we are talking RETURN ON INVESTMENT...plain economics which again is NOW called science
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Ok, some other time then.
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ungaralu, astrology, palm-history....chala pedha teraphy sootraluani oka pedha manisi seppadu....

with limited resourses and behaviour of mind (no neorologist can predict or assume how particual mind waorks),,, dimensia, depression....chala nurological imbalances ni treat chese vidanamlo nammakamokati...

if a mother looses her kid in front of her best teraphy is diverting her attention to some kind of activity so manolly astrology meedha and palm history meedha a talli ni divert chesi chala matuku karma siddantam tho set chestaru...

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Inthaki ee Hawking evaru...Brihatparasarahorashastram meeda emaina commentary rasada..rasi unte cheppandi chadavadniki try chestha...

BPHS kooda chadavakonda Astrology trash..etc ante..nenu cheppagaligedi emi ledu




aayana oka goppa sasthravetha....MNS ane oka arudaina vyadhi vachindhi ayaniki....ayane oka best selling book rasadu....

daniki minchi ayane edhi kanukkola...as usual.....WESTERN MEDIA...WOW...HANDICAP..aina HE DOES MATH...ante...manam...WOW SO GREAT YA...black holes......2 much kadha...

BLACK HOLES WAS A CONCEPT atleast a decade before stephen even joined his PhD program....

His is first grade physicist no dount...but not an icon of scinece by any remote measure and GROUPING HIM ALONG SIDE EINSTEIN is grossly a SIN
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Rasp,

Ee weekend 1 cricket match..W
1 birthday party..Temple lo father ceremony unnayi
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Raju garu, ee weekend meeru konchem free ga unte cheppandi, I wanna bug u with a lot of stuff.
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5000 years ago, our scholars exaclty depicted the onset of even the full moons with out a computer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




We are not saying our ancient people didnot do anything but that doesnot mean always old is gold......

Mana modern era lo science valla chala developments jarigayi.......

Asala see NASA contributions to this earth......one of them is International Space Station, Living in Space (1998-present)
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Stephen Hawking is an academic celebrity - Na uddesyam lo.. if not for his handicap - he wouldnt have gotten this level of interest from people..



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Inthaki ee Hawking evaru...Brihatparasarahorashastram meeda emaina commentary rasada..rasi unte cheppandi chadavadniki try chestha...

BPHS kooda chadavakonda Astrology trash..etc ante..nenu cheppagaligedi emi ledu
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Hawking's continuing examination of the nature of black holes led to two important discoveries. The first of them, that black holes can emit thermal radiation, was contrary to the claim that nothing could escape from a black hole. The second concerned the size of black holes. As originally conceived, black holes were immense in size because they were the end result of the collapse of gigantic stars




annai...BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME VACHI zaman ayyindhi...bayataki randi...cosmology has moved on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......HE ALONG WITH PENROSE GAVE A PROOF NOT THE THOEREM.....which was actually postulated by FRIEDMANN AND FRED HOYLE!!!!!!!

dude, I have a gradutae degree in Theoretical Physics......let us take something more mathematical......BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME ivanni are called bed side reading books.......HOW MANY PROOFS HAVE U SEEN IN BHOT?????????????????
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"I BELIEVE IN PHYSICAL LAWS BUT ALSO BELIEVE THAT GOD MIGHT HAVE CREATED THOSE LAWS AND THAT HE NEVER BREAKS THEM".....


I have never quoted him in my posts.

From Wiki:

Hawking has stated that he is "not religious in the normal sense" and he believes that "the universe is governed by the laws of science. The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws"
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And I wouldnt even place Hawking alongside Darwin and Pastuer - who were pioneers of everyday science.
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Soniafan:

He has done amazing work on Blackholes.......




Kindly elaborate what u know abt his work and what makes u feel that he deserves his place next side einstein??????

we can start from there...........

"I like below stephen Quote....

�We are just an advanced breed of monkeys on a minor planet of a very average star. But we can understand the Universe. That makes us something very special.�"


THE FIRST PRINCIPLE OF SCIENCE IS PROOF.....NOTHING HAPPENS EITHER OWING TO MY affinity or ur affinity or affiliations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like a thousand quotes....by schrodinger...who actually INVENTED QMechanics!!!! SUPPORTING VEDANTA and emphasizing in his papers that the UPANISHADS ARE THE GREATEST PIECE OF KNOWLEDGE EVER KNOWN TO MANKIND.....

are u ready to buy it....???? No right...........
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Hawking's continuing examination of the nature of black holes led to two important discoveries. The first of them, that black holes can emit thermal radiation, was contrary to the claim that nothing could escape from a black hole. The second concerned the size of black holes. As originally conceived, black holes were immense in size because they were the end result of the collapse of gigantic stars
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soniafan,

Please annai dont embarass urself...hawking...deniki famous?????

If so is his theory today taken as the starting point.......

what is the status of Big Bang theory today.....????

Why is big bang now considered an incomplete theory.....for cosmic evolution....

Hawking's only major accomplishement was that he proved that "IF BIG BANG WERE TO BE TRUE, GENERAL RELATIVITY SHOULD BE TRUE AT THE EARLY STAGES OF BIG BANG..and that there existed a singularity....

THE FIRST ASSUMPTION HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAwking himslef now works in Inflationary cosmology which started to refute his original theory !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




I am one among millions of people who feel that Stephen is the one of the living worlds smartest man......

He has done amazing work on Blackholes.......

Charles Darwin, Albert Einstein, Louis Pasteur and Stephen hawking contributed so much to our mankind

Hawking's work in modern cosmology and in theoretical astronomy and physics was widely recognized

I like below stephen Quote....

âWe are just an advanced breed of monkeys on a minor planet of a very average star. But we can understand the Universe. That makes us something very special.â
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Stephen Hawking is an academic celebrity - Na uddesyam lo..not huge fan of his theories and if not for his handicap - he wouldnt have gotten this level of interest from people..IMO
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Then I would assume u and Soniafan himself should know that HAWKING HIMSELF SAID..

"I BELIEVE IN PHYSICAL LAWS BUT ALSO BELIEVE THAT GOD MIGHT HAVE CREATED THOSE LAWS AND THAT HE NEVER BREAKS THEM".....

the above statement is a clear reflection of the state of helplessness that science is in...right now.....40 years of bragging and 13 dimensions of hyperspace hasn't produced a single tangible result....of note....!!!!!!!!
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I thought he has been working on Unification theory.




Nope.....his only significant work was singualrity proff with mathematician penrose and he putforth a theory which he himslef agreed was wrong in 2004.....he lost a bet to physicists at Caltech...

His other work is in Quantum Gravity.......

Unification is to unite superwweak interaction with QCD...and then explain quantum gravity....
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HAwking himslef now works in Inflationary cosmology which started to refute his original theory !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I thought he has been working on Unification theory. I may be wrong..
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soniafan,

ilage 1940's lo mana MIT lo...weather emundhi....just mana brain mundhu ani...oka 3 nonlinear equations lo bandhichesaru......courtesy Lorentz(not the EM guy)....

all was well and hyped.....across science magzines....low and behold.....then came edward yorke and said.......dudes the problem with this set up is that...

even determinstic equations can lead to chaos!!!!!!!!!!!!! it is called the Yorke theorem of period three...or the famous butterfly map in dynamical systems...............

Then weather forecasting sat dormant for last 40 years...the sensitivity of our current weather models is.......

"if we have a 10% reduction of computing power, today, it will lead to 70% error in our predictions. Furthermore, if we have a MILLION fold increase in computational power...(WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN), we will see 2% increase in reliability of estimates!!!!!!!!! It is the famous outstanding problem of supercomputing...you can refer to any major computational science prof in the world"

5000 years ago, our scholars exaclty depicted the onset of even the full moons with out a computer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ravino
so down time lo time bad ani mind set sesi depression nundi bitapadeyataniki mana purvikulu ee astrology set sesi untaru....


This makes some sense annai!!!
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Ravino786:

It's a kind of teraphy, life lo up's and downs sahajam...

so down time lo time bad ani mind set sesi depression nundi bitapadeyataniki mana purvikulu ee astrology set sesi untaru....


aani muthyam antay idhay ravino annai...good one
Liberty is too great a virtue to be buried in books
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soniafan,

Please annai dont embarass urself...hawking...deniki famous?????

If so is his theory today taken as the starting point.......

what is the status of Big Bang theory today.....????

Why is big bang now considered an incomplete theory.....for cosmic evolution....

Hawking's only major accomplishement was that he proved that "IF BIG BANG WERE TO BE TRUE, GENERAL RELATIVITY SHOULD BE TRUE AT THE EARLY STAGES OF BIG BANG..and that there existed a singularity....

THE FIRST ASSUMPTION HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAwking himslef now works in Inflationary cosmology which started to refute his original theory !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mrhyderabad:

So don't ever blame yourself for your drinking habbit. It is not your mistake. You are destined to drink (No offense meant) Same goes for me as well. I am destined to be a Atheist.




This one statement completely and conclusively decides that u dont know an ounce about astrology....first up.....

read raju gari's posts below........

Astrology never..READ NEVER SAYS that an indv will be this at birth...all it maintains is that...these are sort of things that ca happen to you......It is deterministic.....

In the face of that, what you choose to do...what also is called karma..is your duty......and your karma decides the course of ur life at EVERY MOMENT...

The first hallmark of a mind prone to reason is the ability to listen and then understand..and may be doubt our own credibility as an intellect to ask the right questions