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     Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4626 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Pakka thread lo post chusanu  Well said.. Asalu, why this big need to defend/justify the past...after all they were human actions not immune to mistakes... I personally think its only a need to define ourselves not by our actions but our ancestral history that makes people find convoluted justifications for all actions - good and bad.. Past happened... assess it coolly separate the good from the bad , assess the relevance of the good to the conditions of today and take it forward if it makes sense... I will quote Roark here - "I set my own standards. I inherit nothing. I stand at the end of no tradition. I may, perhaps, stand at the beginning of one" People who have the self confidence to think like that are the ones who bring about change in the world - the true karma-yogis What was good 3000 yeas ago is not necessarily relevant today... if you hang on to archaic traditions and beliefs and refuse to change/adapt with the times ...it is a sure fire way to extinction Aavu peda neellu vakitlo jallatam aa rojullo scientific way of preventing infection ani chadivanu because the UV light in morning rays cause a disinfecting reaction and houses faces east mostly ... Ippudu adi apartment lo apply cheste apart from the stink, it will breed infection I disagree that religion is science...religion has been a vehicle for propagating science in unscientific ways by instilling the fear of God instead of doing it in a rational manner Result is the lack of understanding we see today and the taboo on questioning anything deemed religious.. If the Vedas are science what makes them any more sacrosanct and above questioning than Einstein's theory of relativity ? People have to decide whether they see tham as science or word of GOd aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4624 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Vivekananda works chaduvutunnanu annaru kada - avvi complete cheyyandi.. in the meantime as you introspect you will find your own inclinations and you can follow those leads Spirituality interest aite Upanishads chadavandi ... Religion aite Vedas
Vastu has scientific basis to a large extent - windflow , sunlight, street orientation, earth's polarity these make a difference to life ..
I am not checking the panchangam at all .. so things happen when they happen ...and there have been instances where someone will say ayyo ashtami roju prayanam aa , ani does not matter to me I go ahead and have not had any different results overall from when I did it by muhurtams
Yes Religion is NOT science. REligion was used as a vehicle to propagate some science in an unscientific manner aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 2222 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
Yes, I am an atheist. I guess i said this more number of times in last 2 days than in last 1 year  do you belong to some other religion other than Hinduism ? No, i belong to Hindu religion. Why do you think many hindus whether ancient or present convert to other religions from hinduism ? I can't speak for them. Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 36 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.74 Rating: N/A |
Are you atheist ? or do you belong to some other religion other than Hinduism ? Why do you think many hindus whether ancient or present convert to other religions from hinduism ? On one hand we see ancient kings who lost their lives in the hands of brutal islamic rulers for the sake of their faith and belief in their religion and never bowed to the conversion either for money or for pride or for life. But we also see people like Dileep converting to Islam and claims that all thathe achieved is bcoz he converted to Islam. All conversions to Islam happened much bfore British came to India and after that most of the conversions were to Christianity. Coming to christianity, this came with British and before that there were no christians in India. So in 1800's and early 1900's britishers could manage to convert not the Dalits but most of the upper caste hindus and intellectuals. So you see christians from brahmins to dalits. Today converions are completely monetaryt based... but earlier, intellectual people genuinely converted to christianity...WHY ? Not to forget that many also converted for sake of money.. Is conversion a solution for a human being who wants to seek GOD ? hinduism is far better today than in 1970's and 80's when communism and atheism was on high and was a fashion. today from brahmin to dalit all are trying to move towards spirituality which is the essence of hinduism and are getting closer and closer to god ? Can you tell me in which temple and which pujari asks for the caste of a person before they enter a temple ? Do someone ask in tirumala or have you heard any priest asking them caste in temple ? For devotion caste is not an obstacle, its only an obstacle for power ? But if you ask me why other caste people are not allowed to become priests in temple and why only brahmins are allowed to do that profession ? I sincerely dont have an answer for this. If you can explain me on this, I would learn.. PS: I am still in learning stage so if one aggresively asks any question I may not have an answer. | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Comedian Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 1904 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
or perhaps he has come to the conclusion that not following such traditions is not wrong Liberty is too great a virtue to be buried in books | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 34 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.73 Rating: N/A |
Wonderful way to prove something wrong.. So have you come to a conclusion that all those are trash ? or do you somewhere believe that following such traditions is not wrong ? | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 2218 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
I apologize for intruding into this direct question targeted for Andy ji - I have been selecting the most inauspicious day and time for each and every important event in last 10-12 years. I have started doing this to prove a point to some of my family members and friends). So far i have never failed in any of those events. Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 33 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.74 Rating: N/A |
Many say that Astrology is proven scientifically but not Vaasthu ? Do you agree that Vaastu shastra is unscientific ? Atleast almost all countries have some sort of astrological beliefs but no one buys with Vaastu Shastra ? Anand garu, you said that you dont believe in Manchi roju and Manchi muhurtham.. So have you reached a stage where you can start a good work (eg starting a business, joining office etc etc) knowingly on a very unaspicious day or will you wait till the day to get over and start on a normal day if not aspicious day ? | ||
| Pplsuck Junior Artist Username: Pplsuck Post Number: 460 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 99.234.115.56 Rating: |
>>>>> vammooo meeru astrology, vasthu etc kuda nammutaaraa? Mee lanti educated intellectuals kuda alaantivi nammite etlaa andi? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hyder hyder hyder.....hyder hyder( rose rose rose....rojaa puvvaa) type lo chaduvuko..... abbo asalu nuvvu kasi kaameshwar vi....malli aipothaav nuvvu........nee thokkalo abhyadaya bhaavaalatho, adey lokam anukuntey..... | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.74 Rating: N/A |
So do you agree with the argument that "Religion is not Science". I think religion is science. How did all the holy scriptures contain some scientific facts about science ? Is it a coincidence ? | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 31 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.74 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu, Thanks for all your replies.. Could not check replies yesterday. I am reading all other posts about women in vedas and their comments.... Actually not many know any answer for all these questions ? This is the highlight of all your posts: "Because there is no one answer that works for everyone - the very recognition of that fact is the essence of Hinduism to my mind " I rather stick to this one....I believe that we need another Swami Vivekananda who can trvael all over India and remove all these misinterpretations in the minds on hindus. One who can debate with scholars of all other religions... Hinduism is very vast.... No one knows where to start and no one knows where to end... but you seem to have put lot of effort in learning these ?? Where do you think I should start ? Many intelligent people who scold hinduism on this DB and are asking different questions, I feel like giving an answer but I dont know the answer ? A strong debater from monotheistic religions can defeat a debater from hinduism by quoting all these verses other DB'rs are posting about women in Vedas ? I am starting with complete works of Swami Vivekananda and do you think of any good source where I can learn and research topics about hinduism ? I thank you, Iamim and MS... Do you think this statement holds good : "Religion is above Caste and Spirituality is above Religion " | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Comedian Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 1897 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
LOL...cool gaa undaali ani seppana...tum bhi kya cutta maartha baap Liberty is too great a virtue to be buried in books | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 2211 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
How about SHORT STORY about SHORT SKIRTS  Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Humpty_dumpty Comedian Username: Humpty_dumpty Post Number: 1896 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 38.117.247.14 Rating: N/A |
hyder...off topic...afternoon time kee kudirithay manchi story vesukoo...burra heat ekkindhi ...cool gaa undaali, challani beer laaga Liberty is too great a virtue to be buried in books | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 2208 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
What about Hasta saamudrikam, Chilaka Jyothishyam or Tarot cards Already pakka threads lo burra vedekki poyindi.. relief kosam lighter vein lo vesaanu... meeru kuda tittakandi Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4623 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.24.150 Rating: N/A |
complete ga chadavandi- in the past ani kuda cheppanu I do not disbelieve/believe anything till I give it a fair chance.I do believe they have a scientific basis to some extent.. God is possibly unscientific - adi kuda nammutunna kada ? What we cannot see does not exist, what we cannot prove is not true is short sighted I think Anyway- my mgmt briefing is almost done - so goodnight aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 2199 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 98.221.99.83 Rating: N/A |
vammooo meeru astrology, vasthu etc kuda nammutaaraa? Mee lanti educated intellectuals kuda alaantivi nammite etlaa andi? No wonder our scientists in SriHari Kota offer coconut to God and do some puja before launching SATs. Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4609 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Just trying to keep the thread from archiving for NUFI aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4595 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
So many questions Naku waste anipinche kada manesanu Evari belief valladi
No.Astrology is applicable to everyone , only the charts change based on location of birth Vastu I think to have any scientific basis has to be tailored to climatic conditions of location - which is probably why Feng-shui in China has different rules than Vastu in India
Grahala balam untundi , even moon phase effect mind meda untundi .. My take is simple - astrology shows you what you were born with...Karma siddhantam lo cheppali ante... Your cumulative karma is sanchita karma ...the karma allotted to this birth/life is Prarabdha karma ... Your natal astrological chart reflects the prarabdha karma dispositions...that is your starting point.You cannot change prarabdha so I personally see no point in knowing it... Now comes the variable of free will or Kriyamaan... Your karma at a given point in this life is a function of your prarabdha and kriyamaan... SO the more kriyamaan you accumulate the less relevance prarabdha has... Now tie that back to the sher I posted Khudi ko kar buland itna (boost your Kriyamaan in the right direction so prarabdha becomes insignificant) Ke takdeer likhne se pahle Khuda bande se yeh pooche bata teri raza kya hai (then God has to ask you what to write in your future- because you control your kriyamaan ) Also rationally speaking - planetary influences can affect your mind if we treat everything as an energy field - but only if your mind/consciuousness is weak enough to be susceptible to these influences..that is my take... Others will have different opinions .. aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 30 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.74 Rating: N/A |
So manchirouju and manchi muhurtham chusi cheyyatam waste antaraa ? are these man mande stuff just to lure money from people ? As Periyar said most of the hindu traditions are made up so that one particular community can make money by performing these rituals.No religion has as many rituals as hindus do. I still believe that manchiroju and manchi muhurtham are significant because astrology is proven and graha sakthi and grahala balam anedhi vuntundhi ani antaaru kada ?? To what extent one follows is purely discretional. The common thing everyone would argue is that people in West dont have any of these concepts and arent they living much happy and healthier life than us ? Is Hindu astrology which includes right from panchagam to the advanced jyothishastra, applicable to only people living in India or deos it apply to people living anywhere in the world ? Will astrology change from one country to other ? I beleive that grahala position change avuthundhi so might differ from people living in one country to other ani anukuntunna ? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4594 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Initial ga follow chesanu, got caught in a lot of stuff ...learnt how to read the panchanga abd calculate muhurthas , learnt basic astrology , studied vaastu etc. As I got focussed on the essence the superstitions and rituals fell by the way side... I don't follow them now And I do not propagate them to my kids either...infact my complete turnaround surprises my family - okappudu panchangam chudande chinna pani kuda start chesedanni kadu , ippudu intlo panchangam kuda ledu
The unnecessary chaff I mentioned were the superstitions,reliance on the planets, and importance of rituals for me .. it may be something else for you... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 2127 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
I don't have the national statistics but you can count me in on both points. Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 27 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.74 Rating: N/A |
Those who all believe and follow these superstitions | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 2125 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
If i may ask, whom were you referring to whenyou said "WE" I heard these kind of Superstitions when i was a kid. But today, when i hear them i will laugh for a moment and will go on with my work. Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 25 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.72 Rating: N/A |
anand garu, I think what we are practising is very diluted verison of hinduism. Pachhi ga cheppali ante, "MUDHA NAMMAKALA MATHAM". No one is trying to feel the prayer and the god, what one does is take a book read the mantras before the god and leave the rest is to god ? Yoga and Meditation is the essence of Hinduism and core of which we have lost, thanks to the new spiritual leaders and Indians are going back to yoga and meditation in a big way. This is the start and if continued will be good for all. MUDHA NAMMAKALU ela start ayyayo teliyadhu......even today I dont go for hair cut on a tuesday, I sit for a minute if someone sneezes. I dont know if there is any logic behind this, but all these went into our subconscious mind so deep that we cant ignore and even sub cocnsciously we are prepared to sit for a minute if someone sneeze. Even without our intention we do it. Further more if I try to go against all this, and if something goes bad, the first thing that comes to my mind is why did I go against the beliefs. Honestly speaking how many of you go for a hair cut on a tuesday ? how many of you dont care if someone sneeze before you start for a work ? "MANCHI ROJU" chudandhi okka pani start cheyyam ?? anand garu, do you also follow all these and many more "MOODHA NAMMAKALU" please dont get me wrong for asking you this question ? Because you have a generation next to whom you are teaching hinduism do you let these come in your way of explainig them the Hinduism ? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4587 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Cool - good for you aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 2121 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
Joke chesaa lendi. Wife tho oka deal set chesaa few years ago. Whenever she wants to donate something to the temple, i will donate EQ amount to CRY ani. So atu madhava seva, itu maanava seva rendu covered  Nenu ide concept cheppi direct gaa canteen ki veltha Mundu aatma ramu ni santhi tarvatha gudi lo ramu ni ki santhi cheyista Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4586 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Just velli dandam petti, puja cheyinchi , devudiki kuda lancham ichi pani cheyinchesukundamu ane - enta aasa !!!
Gudi ki velli, puja jarugutunnanta sepu canteen lo masala dosa ayipotayi emo ani tension pade kanna , dosa tini , prasantam ga gudi loki velli devusi meda dhyanam cheyyatam better anukunta aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| 7kondalu Junior Artist Username: 7kondalu Post Number: 278 Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 76.93.141.251 Rating: N/A |
purre ko buddhi jihwa ko ruchi ani, andaru kalisthe decide cheyyam undadu, dissect cheyyadame.
vigahani ki dandam pettukunte lottery, GC laantivi vasthaayo ledo teliyadu kaani, gudi ki velli darsaanm chesukokunda mundu canteen ki velthe, (meeku pelli ayyunte) oka two, three weeks paatu intlo maname vanta cheyyalsi ravocchu | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2320 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
temple ki ochadani muslimollu accept cheyaru..so hindu anukovachu | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2038 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 118.94.229.104 Rating: N/A |
Temple canteen lo Spicy masala dosa tini.. Alla Akbar ani aristhe Hindu aa kaada?? | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2317 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
you can go to temple ,bypass venky vigraham , have a spicy masala dosa in kitchen and still you can call yourself a hindu..anduke hinduism is great  | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 2100 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
So final gaa em decide chesaaru andaru kalisi? Weekend lo Bridge water temple ki velthe, venkanna vigrahaaniki mokkithe mega million lottery vasthundaa? or at least GC fast gaa vache chance vundaa? Or should i just go to temple canteen directly and have instant happiness by having Spicy Masala Dosa Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4572 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
But when you try to organize a naturally diverse philosophy into a structural religion, we have the confusion that is in the minds of most Hindus today...because mythology is so vast,diverse and not always consistent...it is extremely difficult to sort thru all the noise and get to the essence... Thanks to television there seems to be a resurgence of spirituality ...see a lot of programs that have started which talk about the essence , not the ritual ...so there's hope aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2315 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
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| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 21 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.73 Rating: N/A |
Is it true that lot of Hindus shifted or got attracted to Jainism, Budhism and that Adi Sankaracharya debated with scholars of those religions and supported the sanathana dharma and vedic thoughts ? Also you mentioned that followers of Islam and Christianity were Jews and I dont think Prophet Mohammad was a Jew. They were some tribes living in Sahara Deserts and middle east and they also worshipped Idols. Later Prophet Mohd spread Islam first in the tribes existing in middle east and if I am not wrong there is a verse in Quoran that says condemn/kill idol worshippers and this was in context to those tribes in middle east that were worshipping idols. Jesus christ was a jew and all those who converted to christianity were jews for sure. I doubt if all those who converted to Islam were Jews earlier as there were some civilizations in Iran and Egypt which had their own culture, tradition and values. Later, Islam spread into those countries and destroyed their civilizations. | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2033 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 118.94.229.104 Rating: N/A |
Religion is man made.. Philosophy evolves naturally.. As and When the civilization ends.. all these man made cults will be wiped out.. when the mankind slowly picks up again.. only Hinduism will survive and blossom and flourish.. as it had for thousands of years... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4570 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Simple chronology emo ... Hinduism /Judaism evolved locally ... Islam/Christianity are later offshoots - Old testament is common to a large extent for the 3 ... WEhre did the followers from Islam/Christianity come from - they were Jews before ...so the only way for Islam/Christianity to exist/propagate was through proselytizing... The parallels in the east would be Sikhism/Buddhism/Jainism... cos these religions separated from Vedic school of thought and grew by converting Hindus to the respective religions aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| 7kondalu Junior Artist Username: 7kondalu Post Number: 277 Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 76.93.141.251 Rating: N/A |
hare krishna movement? alaane telugu lo madhya vaishnavulu - ani antaaru. ante vaishnava mathaani ki convert ayina vallu ani meaning. | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 20 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.73 Rating: N/A |
Anand, So can we claim that hinduism is just a way of life and not a religion ? If I am not wrong there is a Supreme Court Judgement saying that Hinduism is just a way of life. No two hindus pray in the same way atleast in their house. If one goes to Hanuman Temple all he recites is Hanuman chalisa, in Sai Baba temple "SAI HARATHI" etc etc... other than this, at home each prays in his own style. The Only common thing that I find in all Hindus is the they fold hands in front of god like a namasthe and pray. Other than this I cant find a common thing in all the Hindus. Hindus "bottu" kuda andharu okate rakamga pettukoru while doing puja ? Dont you think that this pluralism gave a way to other religoins to easily convert hindus into their religions especially Christianity ? Because Hindus stopped converting into Islam centuries ago. Why do Hindus and Jews never involve in proselytizing other religion people into their's but ISLAM and Christianity proselytize ? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4569 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Isn't this true of all religions including Hinduism- we have our share of dadiwallas and Godmen and our share of dogmas ... The difference is that Hinduism does not have defined set of tenets to be followed to be called a Hindu - probably because there is no "one set " of commandments/tenets to follow - everyone has their own interpretation and uses it to guide them ... Hinduism, I think in its current state is better classified as a philosophy than religion Temple ki vellakapoina, poojalu cheyyakapoina, devudini nammakapoina Hindu avochu - that is not a trait of religion but just a school of thought aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| 7kondalu Junior Artist Username: 7kondalu Post Number: 275 Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 76.93.141.251 Rating: N/A |
I guess it is hard to explain hinduism in the lines of the religions known to westerners. not just hinduism, any other asian religion (or I would say eastern religions?) than the abrahamic religions. most of the abrahamic religions are monotheistic faiths where as the hinduism we know is polytheistic with exceptions of shivism and vishnavism which are close to be monotheistic than polytheistic. discussing religion with insiders (meaning the followers of same faith) is different from discussing it with the outsiders. as an insider we want to know the truth of the religion where as an outsider, we want to know the truth about that religion. coming back to idol worship, dont we find some kind symbols/statues being worshipped in other religions, like people wearing cross or having a statue of virgin mary and kneeling infront of it | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2031 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 118.94.230.121 Rating: |
The man made one book one male god cults just cannot hold a candle to the only naturally evolved religion of mankind - Hinduism.. Yeah.. Hinduism has Idol worship.. but.. it has many many more ways and means to quench the burning thirst of truth seekers.. What do the dogmatic cults have except some dadiwalas and moth eaten dogmas chiselled in stone for eternity to worship.. where is room for seeking truth.. where is room for evolution.. where is room for mental excursions.. where is room for exploration... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4567 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Exact same post vesamu in differnt words ante Ayina ikkada evaru godava padataledu kada - emiti aa sapanarthalu aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Zulu Comedian Username: Zulu Post Number: 1810 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.68.181.197 Rating: N/A |
that is because christianity is born in one region and it is spread to other regions..whereas thousands of pagan tribes were consolidated into one religion called Hinduism. There is no shame in admitting that our ancesters were pagans..even the great romans were pagans.. Intha kante padda philosophy naaku theliyadu..meeru thannuku savandi.. Think Global,Act Local | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4566 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
I think it is because Christianity started at one point and spread out... We cannot point a start date for hinduism...hinduism in some forms existed prior to the Vedas - different sects started in different places and were brought together later - over time this composite has been termed hinduism...its a patchwork quilt sewn together Meeru scriptures oka analytical angle lo chadivite , you can see where the overlays possibly happened etc - it is very interesting trying to figure out how and why scriptures evolved as they did aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4565 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
I do not know if this is a convincing answer for everyone but this is what I tell my children Hinduism as I understand it has prescribed three paths to Realization, Bhakti marga , Gyana Marga and Karma marga. Bhakti - is devotion, surrender and love for God, this is based on faith alone Gyana - is knowledge, introspection, enquiry and finding the answers- this requires a certain skepticism to be able to question everything including God Karma - is action, dedication to a noble cause in the world Bhakti though we say devotion , to reach realization,has to turn into a love of God ...to claim God as your own... Lets use an analogy of a person in love with someone who is not in physical proximity.. He carries a picture of her.It gives him joy to look athe picture and talk to it, touch it .. the picture gives him the tangible means to express his love.. The idol serves the same purpose aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 19 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.73 Rating: N/A |
Anand, they only have one but not like Hindus where we have a ton ? Many say that hindus have so many gods because there were so many languages,cultures and their interpretations differed ? but can the same analogy apply to other religions ? Christianity has spread across so many countries, cultures and languages but the interpretations never changed ? why did this happen with Hinduism ? | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 18 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.73 Rating: N/A |
Actually the reason for me posting this question is that today we are in a global world where one might encounter a situation where we take an american to a temple and I bet he will eat our brain with 100 questions ? for which average hindu can give an answer but not a convincing answer. My debate is not to prove my religion superior to other or vice versa. but to make myself knoweledgebe to answer basic questions on hinduism ? anand, if someone ask you what are the basic tenants of Hinduism what would you say ? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4564 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Why do they face Mecca for Namaz if God is omnipresent ? Everyone needs a focal point... a cross/virgin Mary for Christians, a Mecca for muslims, a Granth Sahib for Sikhs aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4563 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
More importantly , do you need to answer them? you do not know the strength of their relationship or vice versa - this is one pursuit ehre there is no competition
They have their own mythology - their prophets and saints -its not like there is no human ideals to follow in these religions - they call them son of God or his disciples ,we call them Gods
To me, Faith is belief in God , religion is a set of tangible principles/rituals/practices Faith is necessary for religion, religion is not necessary for faith putting Faith above religion in my mind Islam/Hinduism/Christianity are religions to me aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 17 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.72 Rating: N/A |
So naturally people/scholars from other religions like Islam/Christianity claim that we are still in learning alphabets as more than 90% of Hindus still worship Idols ? and they have crossed this stage as they dont worship idols ? Atleast Christianity has Jesus Christ idol in the Church but Islam has none... Naturally they make an allegation that we are still in the beginning stage of learning ABCD while they are writing sentences and further more to add spice they say that your vedas say not to do Idol worship ?? how to counter this allegation on hindus ? | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 16 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.74 Rating: N/A |
I completely agree with what you said but yet if someone argues that their relationship is stronger even without giving any human attributes to god how would you answer them ? Since childhood we all know that we were brought up by listening to the stories from our epics and the stories of all gods. So naturally we tend to relate our lives and relations with the gods in the stories we heard. what about faiths like Islam and Christianity ? If I am not wrong they dont have all these stories and so naturally they claim that they are fine without all this then why cant we be ? Can you tell me what is the difference between FAITH and RELIGION ? Is FAITH above the RELIGION or vice versa ? Is ISLAM/HINDUISM/CHRISTIANITY a FAITH or RELIGION ? | ||
| 7kondalu Junior Artist Username: 7kondalu Post Number: 274 Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 76.93.141.251 Rating: N/A |
if the god is omnipresent, why worshipping idols? may be, as MS babai said, it is a point of reference to offer prayers. | ||
| 7kondalu Junior Artist Username: 7kondalu Post Number: 273 Registered: 11-2008 Posted From: 76.93.141.251 Rating: N/A |
yaa lothekkuve brother. manam pai paina eetha kotti velli podaame. religion lo unna idol worship emo kaani, ippudu janaalu chesthunnu matinee idol worship maathram too bad antaa, nee opinion emiti brother | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 15 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.72 Rating: N/A |
Iamim, So do you consider those who dont do Idol worship as superior to one those who do Idol worship ? In devotion there should not be any superior or inferior concept as everyone prays the god in different forms. Do you think that Hindus can claim Idol Worship as their "PRIDE" ? or its just one path to reach the supreme ? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4560 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Yes to all of the above - but the motivation is different..not because I believe those rituals help me progress in my spiritual path I do it so my kids understand the tradition and the allegorical references..and understand the value of prayer/dhyana
Anduke age adiganu I am at the stage where I see God everywhere including but not restricted to the idol YOu do not have to convince yourself the idol is God - you have to believe that you have a personal God in you, who is your own and you build a relation to that God ...that is your first step. The multiple images of God and the lore surrounding them, just help you find the one that you can best relate/aspire to...and help you make that relationship stronger - this is more difficult with an abstract nirakara , nirguna concept If you give human attributes to God you can relate better Anduke you have mythology surrrounding Gods...one is a child form, another a responsible male, another a divine mother etc...pick one
Conceptually, for me the idea of avataras does not work ...because I see God as all of cosmos, all that there is , if God took the form of a single being that would leave all other beings lifeless - this is the rational side of me working Ramayana, Mahabharata may be true stories or fables , but I think they were human stories not divine incarnations...though I guess my family has more of a vaishnava tradition on both sides I gravitated towards the Shiva/Shakti lore Temples or any house of prayer has positive energy - I feel the same peace when I go to a quiet temple or a chapel and especially in the silence of bahai temples Is it the ritual that makes it so or the cumulative thought energy of people aligning their energies with the supreme consciousness, do not know ...but I feel it What I have learnt at this point in my journey is , that you have to realize self before you realize God ... and a throw back to a sher that has been a favorite from childhood...that I was quoting to Shawshank yesterday... Khudi ko kar buland itna Ke takdeer likhne se pahle Khuda bande se yeh pooche bata teri raza kya hai Translation incase you do not understand it... Make your Consciousness/Self so towering and strong that God , before writing your destiny is beholden to ask you What do you will for your life Understand your self,tune into the almighty within you and everything else will fall in place aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2030 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 118.94.226.143 Rating: |
What is the big deal about Varna.. What is the big deal about Jati.. Just avid classifications amid million other classifications.. Humans are but glorified animals.. Are all dogs equal.. Why should.. Why would.. all Humans be equal.. No two clocks are equal.. No two minds are equal.. No two Humans are equal.. Human equality is an Oxymoron created to appease Oxy morons.. | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2029 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 118.94.226.143 Rating: N/A |
I think Idol worship is like learning ABCD.. Alphabets.. everyone has to start with that single step.. but no one stops with ABCD.. they evolve.. they learn far greater things.. Idols are stepping stones in the greater spiritual progress.. some may not pursue it and confine themselves to Idols.. but.. those with greater burning desire will leave them sooner for a higher plane.. Personally I felt Idols and Images rather distracting.. not to demean them in any manner as I do do the daily puja.. but as soon as I close my eyes and go into Japam or Dhyanam the Idols and Images act as a distraction to my inner mind... | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 14 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 75.66.164.135 Rating: N/A |
Anand, so do you vist temples ? Although your spiritual path is purely personal but wanted to ask if you pray everyday ? Do you do idol worship ? Do you perform puja in the way every hindu does ? By offering Coconut, Harathi, Prasadam if not regularly though? today I am at a stage that if I go to temple and see the GOD, I started questioning is this idol god ?? How can I convince myself that the idol is god ? should I follow the explanation given my M_S. Manamu devudu velisadu ani antaamu ? can you explain me is that true ? mana AP lo chana punya kshethralu vunnayi akkada devudu velisadu ani antaaru.... avanni nijama ?? Do you think that Ramayan ever happened ? leka pothe avi fictional story naa ?? We know that Rama is not God but a human being with noble qualities.Then why are we praying Rama ? One cant get any historical evidence as this happened thousands of years ago ? Do you think that mahabharat ever happened or is that also a fictional story ? What do you think of vinayakudu and Hanuman ?? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4552 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
My spiritual exploration has been experiential - my consciousness guides me thru various signs...I just follow ...this is very difficult to explain,difficult for others to believe or understand and is not repeatable I have read some scriptures out of curiosity , to try and understand religious history and to make sense of my experiences .. so it is backwards from practical to theory
First thing - forget about everyone else.. Spiritual path is an extremely individual/personal thing... You are very young - I would suggest just define your concept of God to start with - and follow whatever practices that make you feel good... as you tune into your own consciousness, you will find the answers, the unnecessary chaff will fall away and you will find your path unerringly I do not believe there is s foolproof prescribed project plan to acheive realization to say these are the tasks, these are the timelines...you follow and you will get there - otherwise all followers of enlightened gurus would reach nirvana -which is not the case aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 13 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 75.66.164.135 Rating: N/A |
Sopathi, same old sollu story but this time written in english. ------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------- Its my opinion and may not be convincing everyone....anywayz I care more for my religion and not my caste !! I think I should know my religion in the way it needs to be known.... thats it. | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 12 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.73 Rating: N/A |
its the journey and your conviction in the chosen path that is critical.You have to find One theory that works for you, based on your personal inclinations...then there is prescribed path for that theory...you can change the theory midstream as your inclinations change and your perception evolves, but at any given time follow one path and one theory else all you will have is confusion.. How old are you - the reason I ask is that usually at different phases in life perception/view of God/religion changes ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- Hello Anand, which path did you choose ? How mush effort is everyone spending to find the right path ? I never did ? I dont know how many do this introspection ? By the way I am 26 and just trying to find the right path... ---- A solved problem is not a problem anymore, its a fact. My interpretation of the Neti neti principle - when you eliminate all answers you have God Religion/God is based on theories, not facts...which is why there are multiple theories manifesting themselves as multiple faiths, religions and sects ---- Superb answer.. Thanks. Are there so many gods or is god just one and there are so many paths ? Is it "ekam satya vipraha bahuda vadanta" (Truth is one but paths are many) | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 11 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.73 Rating: N/A |
why wasnt the knowledge translated to telugu so that common could understand ------------------------------------------------------------ --------- Not only today, many decades ago itself you have all the transaltions available in telugu....... you can go to any good telugu book store and get the vedas written in telugu (slokas although sanskrit, script in telugu) with meaning. Its upto an individual's interest so if you are interested nothing can stop you from learning them ? you might ask why is it that they have not translated many centuries ago ? they might have not spread the knowledge in varnacular language but the jist of which was made easily understandable to the common man through stories. A hard working farmer after a days work cant lkearn sloka but can listen to the meaning of that if told in a interesting fashion. Today every home has some holy hindu scriptures which they recite irrespective of caste.... who is stopping whom ? As a matter of fact many spiritual brahmins are encouraging through TV shows sharing their knowledge and methods of praying etc... If someone asks why the high config laptop we use today was not available 20 years back what answer would one give ? May be they never felt the necessity back or they didnt think in that direction back then but today its compulsory, same applies may be they felt that telling the essence of vedas in the form of stories would be sufficient but later decided to spread as it is.....so you see irrespective of caste people reciting the vishnu sahasranamam etc etc... | ||
| Sopathi Comedian Username: Sopathi Post Number: 1847 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
same old sollu story but this time written in english. India la theguva unna jaathulu moodu ... Sikh, Marati and Tamil. Rest mee bhayya banana ... | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 10 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.72 Rating: N/A |
what has this so called brahman knowledge given us, other than sollu stories? has it improved our technology and productivity in the olden days? has it educated the shudras who are the actual workers of the economy? so that they could use their education and innovate in the manufactoring sector? it only gave sollu stories to shudras that they came from the feet of brahma. ------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------- To make you understand this, one needs to understand what is Varna system ? Many people think that varna/caste system came into existence based on professions.......although its true to some extent, its not 100% true. In ancinet days when the varna system was introduced (may be even 1000 years or beyond that) India was a very rich country with abundant resources and very few population. Inorder to avoid one person getting control over all the resources they adopeted a system wherein each is a head for his own profession. you might think that a barber is a degraded profession but when it comes to the hair cutting, he is the boss..thats it....Inspite of people working in their own professions there was so much left undone due to lack of human resources. If you know economics Varna system also avoided a monopolistic attitude. On a narrow scale, one thinks that its segregation of society on a profession he/she does but in a broader sense they avoided the stronger person controlling all the resources available and also in each profession one needs to get perfection as there is no limit to the perfection.. Next question : Who created the Varna System ? Is it Brahmins ? Is the Varna system wrong ? Definitely no...... Why is it that one chooses a a branch of engineering and not do all the branches of engineering ? One would ask here an individual is given an option to choose what he wants and back then the criteria used for this was birth ? If one asks how can birth be a criteria based on which one belongs to a particular caste ? why cant he be given a chance to choose and prove any profession he wants ? The answer to this is still the same, before muslim invaders came to India, India was a super rich country with great civilization values and everyone has so much to do in their own professions that they need not worry of shifting their professiosn and he is a master and not slave to his profession. After the muslim invaders, entire Hinduism (Sanathana Dharma) was under threat that we fought wars just to protect ourselves. We were ruled by the good/cruel Muslim invaders under whom the religion was under threat forget caste. We fought so hard to protect our religion and till date India is the only country even after 800 years of foreign ruling we are 80% Hindus and that still is a myth to many ?? coming back to your question: Hinduism is like Science which kept changing according to the time, and this is the only religion that continuously evlolves. I think that if there were no muslim invasions we would have evolved to a stage where more genuine varna system could have brought into place wherein birth will not be a criteria for a person's caste ? I challenge we would have had evolved to a system where a Brahmin could have become a barber and a barber to a brahmin....But inorder to protect religion from these foreign conversions this change never took place. But for natural many people blame the ancient Brahmins for the caste system ? There is nothing wrong with the introduction of varna system nor was the intention wrong ? Under different foreign rulers, Brahmins forgot their duty of evolution and started exploitation for which you can definitely blame them and as a matter of fact even today all those upper caste, rich BC's/SC/ST who enjoy power and how cheap they talk and treat other caste people... Its a power game at the end !!! Centuries back they enjoyed, later other upper castes are enjoying and tomorrow Sc's and ST's will enjoyyy.......its a cycle.. I have no answer for your question on sudras are born from the feet of Brahma ? I dont know with what intention/meaning was that sloka mentioned in Bhagavd Gita...as a matter of fact many challeng just on this ? My belief is that when the varna system was created the intention was right that suited the requiremens then but later Hinduism did not evolve for centuries as we needed to protect from foreign invaders and many were forcibly converted and as you all know......When the essence was lost what happened is the exploitation and that needs to be strictly condemned whether its ancient brahmins or today upper caste or other people who are in power. | ||
| Sopathi Comedian Username: Sopathi Post Number: 1846 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
the brahmans kept the education sector to themselves and did not spread it to shudras. worse they spread sollu stories that shudras came from brahmas feet. I ask again... what has this brahman knowledge given us? other than spreading inequality and ignorance among the masses? India la theguva unna jaathulu moodu ... Sikh, Marati and Tamil. Rest mee bhayya banana ... | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 9 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.72 Rating: N/A |
http://www.chalanachithram.com/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=1 25&post=908961#POST908961 Hi Sopathi, why didnt brahmans spread literacy in olden days other than telling stories like shudras came from brahmas feet | ||
| Sopathi Comedian Username: Sopathi Post Number: 1845 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
what has this so called brahman knowledge given us, other than sollu stories? has it improved our technology and productivity in the olden days? has it educated the shudras who are the actual workers of the economy? so that they could use their education and innovate in the manufactoring sector? it only gave sollu stories to shudras that they came from the feet of brahma. India la theguva unna jaathulu moodu ... Sikh, Marati and Tamil. Rest mee bhayya banana ... | ||
| Sopathi Comedian Username: Sopathi Post Number: 1844 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
I am good thank you India la theguva unna jaathulu moodu ... Sikh, Marati and Tamil. Rest mee bhayya banana ... | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2314 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
sopathi bedar.. how are you? So you are unbanned.. good good.. my requests were answered then.. good job mods | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1216 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
brother, will get back to this thread, when i have some time. ippudu kaastha busy, i cant post long posts. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Rebel Side Hero Username: Rebel Post Number: 4351 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 151.151.7.55 Rating: N/A |
Clash of the Titans | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4542 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
A solved problem is not a problem anymore, its a fact. My interpretation of the Neti neti principle - when you eliminate all answers you have God Religion/God is based on theories, not facts...which is why there are multiple theories manifesting themselves as multiple faiths, religions and sects
Hinduisim is a conglomeration of various sects that started separately and got assimilated so it does offer a wider range of theories and prescribed paths... This is found, though to a lesser extent in some other religions too - Christianity has a myriad avatars-Catholic, protestant etc..., Islam has its Shia/ Sunni sects, Judaism has the esoteric Kabbalah followers and so on..
Yes, its the journey and your conviction in the chosen path that is critical.You have to find One theory that works for you, based on your personal inclinations...then there is prescribed path for that theory...you can change the theory midstream as your inclinations change and your perception evolves, but at any given time follow one path and one theory else all you will have is confusion.. How old are you - the reason I ask is that usually at different phases in life perception/view of God/religion changes aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Sopathi Comedian Username: Sopathi Post Number: 1843 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 63.119.227.6 Rating: N/A |
why wasnt the knowledge translated to telugu so that common could understand. why didnt brahmans spread literacy in olden days other than telling stories like shudras came from brahmas feet India la theguva unna jaathulu moodu ... Sikh, Marati and Tamil. Rest mee bhayya banana ... | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 8 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.72 Rating: N/A |
So Anand, you mean to say, that GOD for Hindus is like an unsolved problem and not a solved problem. One always need to try and solve this problem. Is that what you meant ? Your statement is interesting: "The very fact that makes you question in this manner is Hinduism" in a way that's true as every other religion requires you to practise their religion only in a confined way and Sanathan Dharma has space for even non believers. But as always said, its not the destination but the path to reach the destination is very important ? So which path and how is the essence of my question ? Is pluralism a solution to this ? | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4539 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
That's quite an tall order ...and probably an impossible task.. Because there is no one answer that works for everyone - the very recognition of that fact is the essence of Hinduism to my mind
Interesting - never heard this one before aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 6 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.72 Rating: N/A |
Hi Iamim, I never posted any messages in any DB and dont have any earlier user name. Although I used to read your posts in IBDB and found that you had some deep understanding on sanathana dharma principles and this was couple of years back may be ?? Your posts were very informative and interesting but in this DB you nevere post anything of your earlier standards....I found you here in this DB and thought may be I ask you all my questions ?? Actually MS is giving wonderful explanations on this. Hope others also join and make these common questions in every hundu's mind vanish forever.... coming to your IDOL worship answer, dont know if your answer is true but is that how it began ? Can you explain in detail ? | ||
| Iamim Side Hero Username: Iamim Post Number: 2025 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 118.94.229.78 Rating: N/A |
Hi New_user, what was you ID in IBDB?? There are many enlightened intellectuals in this DB.. like MS.. Anand.. IBV.. Nisarga.. many others.. hope they chip in.. Coming to Idol worship.. It seems there was this stone on the way to the field.. the first farmer just kicked it aside on his way.. the second farmer bowed to it while passing as it resembled some God.. then the stone asked him why he did not offer a coconut.. | ||
| Linkmaster Side Hero Username: Linkmaster Post Number: 7126 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 12.34.246.79 Rating: N/A |
too deeep...... "Reputation to be valued more than one's life".. Geetha | ||
| New_user_for_iamim Junior Artist Username: New_user_for_iamim Post Number: 5 Registered: 06-2009 Posted From: 199.82.243.71 Rating: N/A |
Wondereful explanation M_S, Then why are there so manyh toughts in Hinduism ? Islam has few but nothing that overrides Quran or Hadith. Christianity has few thoughts and again not that overrides Bible. So why in Sanathana Dharma we have so many htoughts. when I think of this I give myself this explanation: vedantists have something called "YUGA DHARMA" and Sanathana Dhrama is an evolving religion. Our ancient priests have written vedas, and then upanishadas that suited that particular "YUGA". They felt that GOD and his principles cant be confied to just one book and one thought. As you know there is no one good way of living because no two men think an idea or a thing as good in just same way and in same manner. Donating free food is good for one while providing free education might be good for other. One cant just confine or define what is good, bad, pain, happyness as these are feelings. Our ancestors might have felt the same way and thought that devotion/worship/praying is a feeling and one cant confine or define it to just one single way ? So Sanathana Dharma became a pluralistic religion with so many gods ? I dont know if my thought process is correct ? If some one aks what is Sanathana Dharma ? we can explain abt it...and if they ask what are your holy scriptures we say VEDAS. If someone ask What do you pray at your home ? We say I recite Hanuman chalisa, Sai Parayanam, Vishnu sahasranamam, lakshmi sahasranama etc etc. But no one claim that they study vedas at home ? So do we have all these prayers in Vedas ? Whom are we to blame for this ? My fundamental question is that are we following the diluted version of Sanathan Dharma ? Actually you must have heard of Zakir Naik and I found a video in youtube says "similarities between Islam and Hinduism" actually in that video, though he is a muslim, he says about vedas and mentions various things in common. I dont agree with him as he sounds to me like a magician... but if a muslim says that he is superior to hundu because, he doesnot do idol worship and the advanced stage of idol worship is no idol worship and since they dont have idols, they are advanced. how convincing is this explantion to you ? Though some might argue that Kaba is an idol, I dont completely agree that its an idol ? How do we answer this question that Islam/Christianity is advanced than Hinduism ? | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Comedian Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 1209 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 63.161.147.10 Rating: N/A |
as per most priests i have consulted they are mere for a point of reference, not much of significance is attached to an idol as such.
All the scriptures proclaim that the supreme soul, as eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, indivisibile, unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality, and ultimately cant be described in language. the shapes we see of the idols are mere representations of various incarnations.
it is not that simple, there are so many schools of thoughts that fall under the concepts of hinduism, it is painfully difficult to understand what we are following. so many schools of thought have intermingled and formed a hybrid of ideas that we follow now. it is more like an evolution of the culture, holding to some concepts of the old, adding new concepts on the way, and modifying the existing concepts as people find out more and more about the way of life.
I am not sure by what you meant my opinion is. they are another schools of thought. eventually all the schools of thought are still searching for the eternal truth.
that is an interesting way to analyse it. we are trying to understand how the present day has evolved from the past, especially since there are multiple schools of thought are widely accepted it becomes difficult to give a generic answer to this intriguing question. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
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Hi M_S gaaru, your point makes me convince that thru IDOL we worship the god.... is IDOL used just for concentration or does it has anymore significance ?? Then why did vedas say that here is no image of him ? Do you think that we are following the Sanathana Dharma properly ? What is your opinion about the movements by Brahmo Samaj and Arya Samaj ? Somewhere I felt that Vedantists (Hindus) moved away from the Vedas because, if we analyse why were temples constructed ? I think that centuries ago, we had very strong varna syatem where only brahmins were the educated class and studied the vedas. Inorder to make the common man understand the essence of vedas and also get him close to god, temples were constructed and there were no educational institutions back then so inorder to educate them, they used temples. Temple is like one stop for everything and since common man cannot understand sanskrit, they used the temple structures and images to make him understand. Do you agree with this ? | ||
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new user for iamim garu, there is nothing contradicting in what you have posted here. the essence of all these scriptures has been the same. there is one supreme soul, idol worship chesina eventually if you are offering your absolutions to the supreme soul it is not a sin(infact concept of sin is different than what we assume it to be) idol worship is different than what most people think it is, ofcourse most people do not know there difference. Idol worship can be viewed as offering your prayers to a stone, while most think this is equal to what hindu's perform in temples, infact the stone in the temple has a ritual performed on it, where the priest prays to the supreme soul that his energy be transferred into the idol, for the priest to have point of reference to where he is offering his prayers. infact the priest is performing his prayers to the supreme soul's energy concentrated in the idol. most people might have observed in their houses, a turmeric idol is prepared for most pooja's, and a prayer is said, where you request your ishta daiva to be present in that turmeric idol for the duration of the pooja. like swamy vivekanandha said, using idols is for people who need a point of reference to concentrate their prayers. people who realize that there is no need for a physical point of concentration, they can offer prayers just by concentrating hard enough on a sakthi(reference to energy, that is the supreme soul) through meditation. ramakrishna paramahamsa details on how he moved from offering his prayers to an idol to a more enlightening way by meditation. I dont know if i am clear enough. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
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Below is what I read on the Idol worship: http://www.adishakti.org/text_files/idol-worship.htm "Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste". [Yajurved 40:9] Translation 1. They enter darkness, those who worship natural things (for example air, water, sun, moon, animals, fire, stone, etc). They sink deeper in darkness those who worship sambhuti. (Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol etc.) [Yajurved 40:9] Translation 2. "Deep into shade of blinding gloom fall asambhuti's worshippers. They sink to darkness deeper yet who on sambhuti are intent." [Yajurveda Samhita by Ralph T. H. Giffith pg 538] Translation 3. "They are enveloped in darkness, in other words, are steeped in ignorance and sunk in the greatest depths of misery who worship the uncreated, eternal prakrti -- the material cause of the world -- in place of the All-pervading God, But those who worship visible things born of the prakrti, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time." [Yajur Veda 40:9.] "Na tasya pratima asti" "There is no image of Him."[Yajurveda 32:3] "Ekam evadvitiyam" "He is One only without a second." [Chandogya Upanishad 6:2] "Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah." "Of Him there are neither parents nor lord." [Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9] "Na tasya pratima asti" "There is no likeness of Him." [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19] "shudhama poapvidham" "He is bodiless and pure." [Yajurveda 40:8] "Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam." "His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye." [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20] What do you think on IDOL worship ? I read lot of answers available on the internet. Even Swami Vivekananda said that idol worship is not sin and its like moving from a lower truth to a higher truth where one does not worship idols anymore..... Even Arya Samaj and Brahmo Samaj have condemned IDOL worship and Raja Ram Mohan Roy made a slogan "GO BACK TO VEDAS". I know Sanathana Dharm ais eternal and very vast but somewhere we all need to prepare a fitting answer for this question ? Can you share your thoughts on this... | ||
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nufi tammud h r u? | ||
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Hi IAMIM, I am new user to this DB. I used to read your posts in IBDB. After so long time I found you here. I wanted to discuss with you some querries which I had since loooong time. Hope you find this discusiion interesting. |
