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     Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2208 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.19.47.247 Rating: N/A |
getting close to yourself ante depression valla kadu or in narcissistic way lo kadhu.. denial,hypocracy, emotions controlling you etc etc will go away when you are true to yourself.. cinematic sense lo cheppalante Neo character in Matrix. Philosophers might have had history of depressions and I like to apply the concept of emotional evolution here for this precise reason.. they too have undergone this evolution phase.. vairagya is one step and a very initial step in the path of nirvana..thats what i would like to beleieve | ||
| Kalikaalam Comedian Username: Kalikaalam Post Number: 1521 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 71.175.26.110 Rating: N/A |
//Living Without Conflict // Ide naaku ardham kaadu. millions of people thinking ki virudham gaa 'truth' anedi vunnappudu, khachitam gaa conflict avvaali kadaa?? "andari tho kalisi povaali.conflict vundakudadu" anukonte..athanu cheppedi 'Truth' yelaa avuthundi? He becomes another kind of politician. ante athani ki 'truth' anedi ardham kaaledu ani meaning aa?? | ||
| Kalikaalam Comedian Username: Kalikaalam Post Number: 1516 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 71.175.26.110 Rating: N/A |
//Kottaga cheppindi emi kanapadaledu - // This is always problem with us. We expect something and we disappoint. Osho once says-"When you read Budha's Dhammapatha, you are not reading Budha's s DhammaPatha, you are reading your own dhammapatha." We can not understand beyond our thinking. Manaku thelisinatha lo ne realte chesukovadaaniki try chesthaamu. Mana burra u ardham kaanappudu 'mis understand' chesukontaamu. It is very hard for the gurus to to try to explain something which can not be explainable in words. words are always less to explain the feelings. Maamulu feelings ayina Love, affection laantive maatalu lo correct gaa explain cheyyalemu. Ika truth gurinchi explain cheyyalankte vaalla kunna kashtaani ardham chesukovaalsinde.. | ||
| Kalikaalam Comedian Username: Kalikaalam Post Number: 1515 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 71.175.26.110 Rating: N/A |
//It is plain stupid to ask people to live like animals.// I do not know about UG. But, it is not stupid to ask people to live like animals. Acco5rding to me Living like an animal is a blissful thing and very rare people dare to live like that. Most of us are just mediocre people. Living like an animal needs lot of intelligence. Human beings lost intelligence, that's why we are depending on animals to sense the natural disators like tsunamis, earth quakes etc. This is big subject to discuss. | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 136 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 192.11.225.111 Rating: N/A |
the knowledge of understanding qualities of a diamond can be taught to others. using that knowledge anybody can recognize a diamond. right? if truth is pathless. then reaching the truth( what ever it means) is a chance. right? truth/nirvana/enlightenment: 1) a condition of selfless, just consciousness( without self or consciousness as in animals), emotionless,a neutral state in which no pain or happiness. 2) a condition in which one gets composure, is at peace with him/her self without losing the connection with worldly affairs. I would call case 1 as hard nirvana and case 2 soft nirvana  . I do not think many people really want enlightenment of this sort. it is the soft nirvana/enlightenment that most people seek. they try to achieve this so that they can dominate peers and others more competently, to have sense of accomplishment, to efficiently self deceive and else deceive . I would mean by 'condition' in either case as physical condition. it is good if the condition( the operating mechanism of enlightenment) can be triggered by a mental process or meditation. this may be possible in some people whose biological condition is readily conducive to it. In others' it may be possible if the biological condition can physically be altered. UG said genetic engineering or even LSD can be of more helpful to attain enlightenment . I am virtually convinced that for a mental condition there may be a corresponding physical condition. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 4000 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Bump for offshore team -I.e Nisarga aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3998 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.133.38.46 Rating: N/A |
Getafix, Vairagyam theoretical definition naku telidu ...but there is a saying to the effect 'when all else is lost you will find God' Vairagyam lo people discard all relationships as unreliable and turn inward as self is the only bankable thing...it can be the first step to getting close to self... Monna JKM depression gurinchi adigite add cheppanu - depression lo self-absorption ekkuva untundi ... They disconnect from external world.... Both cases lo if they focus their energy positively they move faster towards nirvana maybe...many great philosophers/seers have a history of depression or great loss... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2207 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.19.47.247 Rating: N/A |
Vairagya is more stroner manifestation of jealousy,anger and despair.. whereas the one i am talking about is more like a state of objective emotion.. or emotions which are independant of thought. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3993 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
You are probably right aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3992 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
The closer you get to self the further you move from the rest of the world...so how different is this from the vairagya bushu mentioned ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2206 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.19.47.247 Rating: N/A |
vairagyam oka type of jealousy babai..nirvana ki daridapullo ki raadhu. my view of nirvana is - how true will you be to yourself...and as a person undergoes through every cycle he will get close to himself. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3991 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
I do not even know if I am right I may find out it is genetic hallucinatory disorder - either way if we are both still in the DB when I find that out - I will let you know - how about that aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 156 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138 Rating: N/A |
care to share? specifically what is it really. why? yes saar | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3990 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
I think I know where I am and I think I know my axis Am I right or delusional is a whole another question that I am rational enough to ask myself sometimes aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 155 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138 Rating: N/A |
ante annaai, nuvu nirvana ni vairagyam ki equate chesthunnava? edhi naadhi kaadhu, andaru naa vaalle type. why? yes saar | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2205 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
I'd like to think Nirvana/truth as something which is a top of emotional evolution cycle.. every person goes through cycle emotional and finally reaches the top which is nirvana.. now these evolution cycles are relative even though all of us exist on same plane chances are everyone is on different cycle.. I'd think Vivekananda or some other Gurus were highly eveolved and thus far ahead of us hence they could attain samaadhi. My thoughts | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 154 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138 Rating: N/A |
I think Jiddu is totally off here. the above described entity is GOD not soul. No man ever thinks of a soul nor does he deify it. Soul as a concept is a perfectly logical idea. since matter can neither be created nor destroyed it has to take some other form after it's physical existence. it's also the 'life energy' that a sperm and egg transfer to a zygote. you know it's there, but can never touch or feel it. why? yes saar | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2670 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 216.235.145.222 Rating: N/A |
from the book "The Book of Life" Is There Such a Thing as a Soul? So to understand this question of death, we must be rid of fear, which invents the various theories of afterlife or immortality or reincarnation. So we say, those in the East say, that there is reincarnation, there is a rebirth, a constant renewal going on and on and on - the soul, the so-called soul. Now please listen carefully.Is there such a thing? We like to think there is such a thing, because it gives us pleasure, because that is something that we have set beyond thought, beyond words, beyond; it is something eternal, spiritual, that can never die, and so thought clings to it. But is there such a thing, as a soul, which is something beyond time, something beyond thought, something which is not invented by man, something which is beyond the nature of man, something that is not put together by the cunning mind? Because the mind sees such enormous uncertainty, confusion, nothing permanent in life - nothing. Your relationship to your wife, your husband, your job - nothing is permanent. And so the mind invents a something which is permanent, which it calls the soul. But since the mind can think about it, thought can think about it; as thought can think about it, it is still within the field of time - naturally. If I can think about something, it is part of my thought. And my thought is the result of time, of experience, of knowledge. So, the soul is still within the field of time…So the idea of a continuity of a soul that will be reborn over and over and over again has no meaning because it is the invention of a mind that is frightened, of a mind that wants, that seeks a duration through permanency, that wants certainty, because in that there is hope. - J. Krishnamurti - The Book of Life http://jkrishnamurtiword.blogspot.com/2006/11/is-there-such- thing-as-soul.html | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 153 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138 Rating: N/A |
ok this needs two knowns - your axis and that other cosmic axis. they could be orthogonal, parallel or not even in the same planes. where do you think you are? know your axis? or what it's meant to be? I am curious if you know what it's meant to be. why? yes saar | ||
| Mrhyderabad Comedian Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 1474 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
meeru Middleage Crisis lo vunnaru anukuntaa... everyday ilaanti subjects disco chesthunnaru  Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3989 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
I will tell you when I find out - though it is likely you will not believe me I think it is being able to find oneness with the Cosmic consciousness/God - simplistic terms lo - align my existential axis with the axis of the Cosmic Consciousness... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 152 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138 Rating: N/A |
OK. what do you think is Nirvana about? other than an awesome rock band? why? yes saar | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3987 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Not really sure - like I said I have not read a whole lot of him - JKM may be able to answer that better... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 150 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138 Rating: N/A |
Nirvana? is it for the body or the soul? does Jiddu believe in an entity called soul? why? yes saar | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3986 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
I think Jiddu was talking about an Absolute Truth ..that's why I prefer names like nirvana - which cannot be interpreted as anything but what they mean aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 149 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138 Rating: N/A |
must be all the dust accumulation on his body for lack of a proper shower - during his thought exercises. why? yes saar | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3985 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Oops - Ash residue - aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3984 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Create may not be the right word - morph may be ? At this point in time I believe consciousness was always there - some of it morphs into matter and vice versa ... What do you think of UG's claim that when his thoughts combusted there was an ass residue on his body ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 148 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.30.230.138 Rating: N/A |
truth is not a travel destination to have a path to it. it is something that you practise every day. there's no absolute truth anyways, being true to yourself is what matters. why? yes saar | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3983 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Everyone thinks the world is exactly like them - afterall UG did spend many years seeking enlightenment aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3974 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
I did not say it was new - the nuances from different philosophy perspectives were interesting ...
True - so why read
I am not a Jiddu follower - I read about the same amount of his stuff as any other philospher - which is pretty little... But - to his point - he says Truth is pathless - but it exists Lets say truth is a diamond .. there is no definite path to find a diamond in the raw... but you still need to understand what the qualities of a diamond are , so you can recognize it and fdifferentiate from a piece of glass should you come upon it... How would UG know what was happening when his own "transformation " he claims happened - a regular person without spiritual/philosophical understanding would have taken it to be an epileptic fit or hallucination and rushed for exhaustive medical check-ups. It was when UG heard Jiddu talking about a "state " that UG recognized he was in that "state" per his own admission..His realization was triggered by Jiddu's talking about it ...UG recognized it to be an enlightenment transformation based on the information gathered by these discussions with the many enlightened people That is precisely why talking about Truth/Nirvana/enlightenment is important aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 135 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 192.11.225.112 Rating: N/A |
the whole teaching of UG as I understood is : thought is the only reality and it dictates all your actions. mankind is trapped in it and there is no way out. thought is fascistic and it is always for its continuity. what ever you do ..whether you meditate or seek enlightenment you are just trying to continue the 'I'( which is again thought) in you. you are using the very tool 'thought' to dismiss it or control it which is not possible. it is ridiculous of him to think that every one who would come to him seeks enlightenment or something. he gradually too adamant to revisit his views or appreciate others' views. | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 134 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 192.11.225.110 Rating: N/A |
UGs talk might not be fresh ..but the difference i would think is UG did not promise anything and encourage anything. he did not offer anything. if truth is pathless then where was the need for JK to talk about it? why did he talk of choiceless awareness and all. why did he try to protect his teachings. one of the UGs complaint about JK was this that JK tried to protect his teaching is something great and to be protected. UG narrated an incident occurred when they both once were walking on the see shore in Madras. they saw a boy begging on the see shore. the boy came to them and asked for money. JK hugged the guy and said some soothing words to him. and later to said to UG that...see this guy would not beg from tomorrow. UG replied saying...that guy did not need your hug or teaching..he needs money. later they saw the boy begging again. | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 133 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 192.11.225.111 Rating: N/A |
so do you believe in panpsychism or consciousness emerges from the internal organization of matter or all that existed is just consciousness and consciousness creates matter !!?? | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 132 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 192.11.225.111 Rating: N/A |
I did not find any thing new there ! | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2651 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.97.225.162 Rating: N/A |
i know. good old IBDB days. you guys have knowledge and command over subject to discuss. me just a curious onlooker to this subject. anyway we are good as long as we know how our mind works. i think we don't always live what we believe in. may be some people do. most of us live for others, society rules or sect. against our mind. though for an individual it sounds like believe one thing does another.but that is what it makes a society. finding truth/enlightenment in DB ? we didn't come here to find it right ? so there is no way or i should say there is no path to go close to truth/enlightment. we are here for fun and exchange of ideas. let it be. yeah these discussion are interesting. and we learn something new always. look for new ways of conveying our ideas. | ||
| Obama Junior Artist Username: Obama Post Number: 33 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 24.23.195.62 Rating: N/A |
Nisarga, From the list of quotes of UG you mentioned:
UG also says that Meditation is self abuse. He further says better masturbate than meditate. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3973 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
LOL Searching for truth... Nisarga, IBV,Inqui,Vivek to ee topics meda double triple centuries kottina threads unnayi ...are we any closer to the Truth/enlightenment /whatchamacallit ... who knows ? But I think I am definitely closer to understanding how my own mind works, why I believe what I do and think the way I do etc... Most importantly, it is an interesting and fun puzzle to unravel aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2642 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.97.225.162 Rating: N/A |
nothing. thinking. searching for truth. kiki mee posts bagunnayi. carry on with your discussion. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3972 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
what happened ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2641 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.97.225.162 Rating: N/A |
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| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3971 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
you and I interpreted it differently - precisely why philosophy is so subjective aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3970 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
you and I interpreted it differently - precisely why philosophy is so subjective aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2200 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.19.47.247 Rating: N/A |
What i meant in my previous post was - the action is not judged by the situation but action's nature itself.. killing is killing(which is wrong) be it in a battle field or be it in a any other normal situation. I have not read Gita but I heard a bits and pieces of it from people.. this is what i deduced from karma philosophy - regardless of situation a wrongdoing is wrongdoing..anduke krishnudi vamsam nirvamsam ayipothundi. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3969 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Think you are contradicting yourself there ...is the nature of action different depending on situation ? yudhamlo aina intlo aina action okate - pranam teeyyatam ... mari oka chota right inko chota wrong ela ayyindi ? Nenu ardham chesukunnanta varaku Karma siddhantam meeru cheppina anta simplistic ga undadu - Gitopadesaniki trigger e adi kada -to bring out that actions should be according to situation ... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2199 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.19.47.247 Rating: N/A |
as far as my understanding goes - that is the essence of karma siddhantha. An action committed even with best of intentions is wrong if its nature is wrong. For example killing of enemy is wrong even though killing in war doesnt and that leads to another situation. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3967 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Let me put it another way - we have 2 variables/entities - situation and action.. Right or wrong is an attribute..not an entity in itself And it is an attribute of neither the action nor the situation.It is an attribute of the relationship between action and situation. Example : Entity 1 :Action = killing Entity 2 : Situation 1 : War Situation 2 : living room between friends (Killing, War ) : Attribute Right set to true (Killing, Living room with friends) Attribute Wrong set to true Action is independent , Situation has an independent existence , but the attribute can only be defined against an instance of the relationship. I do agree that actions can lead to other situations and situations can drive actions - its a many to many relationship ... But the attribute of right or wrong still is tied to each instance of the relationship. I took some liberties with the modeling jargon ...did that make sense at all to you ? Same action Killing- is wrong in most situations to people, but becomes right in a war / self defence situation I agree that situations CAN be a result of past actions, but are not always a result of your own actions ... Mega, Sorry , I made your head spin... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2197 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
I think it is otherway round.. a situation cannot exist without right or wrong..they are definitive actions and sometimes they lead to other situations. | ||
| Mega Side Hero Username: Mega Post Number: 2870 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.252.218.5 Rating: |
na thala thiruguthundhi....ikkada emi jaruguthundi.... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3966 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
This is key - the "absoluteness" of right and wrong is only relative and limited to that situation ...take the situation away and right and wrong have no existence
Let me put it in analogic terms - path to the sun from various parts of the universe is relative to their initial position - does not take away the objectivity of the sun's existence , does it ?
That's the fun of being in the DB - watching people express themselves, trying to understand their thought processes and where they are coming from - having a decent memory helps  aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2196 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
right and wrong are always aboslute..in any situation there will be only 2 choices one is right and other is wrong. Objectivity ante - what i meant was if path to truth is relative then how it can be percieved by all observers? | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2195 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
you still remember my signature ..eh  not liking ayn rand is my political opinion and totally related to Atlas Shurgged not Fountainhead. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3965 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
And you do not like Rand Isn't Howard Roark the epitome of your definition of Truth ?aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2194 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
I think truth is - what are you to yourself and Honesty is absolute path to it. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3964 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
What is right and what is wrong - is there an absolute definition always true to this ? Isn't this always relative to the situation ?
Did not understand why it cannot be objective just because it does not have a prescribed path guaranteed to get you there.. aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2193 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
be my guest and question my questions.. that way i 'll see if i can get to the right question. Getting the right question is like half way through to the right answer. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3963 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Chaa DB alavatu ayyaka writing skills have gone downhill - changing gears between languages mid sentence etc... need to guard against that ... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3962 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
I can question your questions and increase them for you Don't worry , be happy - I will find the answers when I am ready ane faith to merrily rolling along - it worked well enough so far aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Getafix Side Hero Username: Getafix Post Number: 2192 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.127.66.112 Rating: N/A |
If Truth is pathless then the distinction between right or wrong will dissappear.. isnt that so? If truth is pathless then we cannot attribute objectivity to it..it will be realtive.. isnt it. so many questionsss subba raoo.. too little time | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3961 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Jiddu's view of organised religion, sects and cults is epitomised in this quote... "You may remember the story of how the devil and a friend of his were walking down the street, when they saw ahead of them a man stoop down and pick up something from the ground, look at it, and put it away in his pocket. The friend said to the devil, 'What did that man pick up?' 'He picked up a piece of the truth,' said the devil. 'That is a very bad business for you, then,' said his friend. 'Oh, not at all,' the devil replied, 'I am going to help him organize it.' aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2624 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.97.225.162 Rating: N/A |
I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. -Jiddu Krishnamurti  | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 124 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.183.111.209 Rating: N/A |
OT ni adigithe chepthaadu. patent theeskunnadu gaa. ainaa ee philosophers chese pani endhannai, artham kaadhu. dhammidi aadhayam ledhu boldantha aayasam annatlu, deni gurinchi alaa gantalu gantalu vaayinchukuntuu untaaru? truth ante manaki kanpinchedhi, mana logic ki artham ayyedhi. anthey gaa. why? yes saar | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2621 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.97.225.162 Rating: N/A |
what a coincidence! | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3953 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
We are paying our respects as we discussaa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3952 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
YEs - and that is how Jiddu interpreted it as well...that there are multiple ways to reach the destination
One says he has seen truth and that there are many ways to reach it - other negates its very existence...
That, my friend, is what we have to discover ourselves No one can serve it to us on a platter... My issue with UG is simple - I apply the same yardstick to teachers/philosophers as I do to people around me... Their presentation, verbal language they use and their body language is a great indicator of how comfortable they are in their own skin and thoughts...people resort to personal attacks / foul language and trashing others when they do not have the confidence that their ideas can stand on their own merit... I have seen a lot of teachers/philosophers who radiate serenity... some who radiate joy .. but when I look at UG/listen to him I feel he is cowering away from the world - he is on the offensive like someone backed into a corner...he does not look at peace with himself or the world.. I cannot identify with UG and would rather listen to a guy who is optimistic and positive - jells more with my own nature aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2620 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.97.225.162 Rating: N/A |
Today is Jiddu Krishnamurthy's Birth Day. May 12, 1895 (1895-05-12) Born in Madanapalle, AP India | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 131 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 192.11.225.111 Rating: N/A |
Truth is pathless -- is this to be interpreted as "there is no single path" . then there is no point in teaching any body about this. it should be left to ones own course( of reaching it. its a random event). JK says "Truth is pathless" UG says "there is no truth" . btw, what is truth!!?? what does this vague,overloaded loose term mean?? | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2619 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.97.225.162 Rating: N/A |
organization name "Order of the Star". | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3951 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Not really - soul is the Brahman within you aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3950 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Thanks - that's what I recall Did you check the link I gave in post 3935? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 130 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 192.11.225.112 Rating: N/A |
does Adviata entail the concept of soul?? is it not Dvaita if does so? | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2618 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.97.225.162 Rating: N/A |
from wiki He claimed allegiance to no nationality, caste, religion, or philosophy, and spent the rest of his life traveling the world as an individual speaker, speaking to large and small groups, as well as with interested individuals. he left society at the age of 16. since then he is by himself. his own way of thinking and philosophy. ofcourse commonality with others vuntundi. same time different from established thoughts. basically he became an individual thinker. | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 129 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 192.11.225.112 Rating: N/A |
an affiliated( to theosophical society) organization was created for JK by Anibisent. JK was made president to that. he was expected to be world teacher. many people/disciples joined the organization and lots of funds were flowing in. one fine day( after the death of his brother), JK realized that those organization were of no use. he dissolved the organization in a meeting where all the members were expecting a great speech from JK. later he left theosophical society. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3948 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
I think the question was more in terms of ideology ... If I am not wrong Jiddu was touted to be the next World teacher by the theosophical society and trained towards fulfilling that role..but I thought he broke away from the Theosophical society after a point in time ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2617 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.97.225.162 Rating: N/A |
theosophical society Chennai lo vundedi. Jiddu 16 years vunnappudu chennai nunchi England ki move ayyadu. | ||
| Obama Junior Artist Username: Obama Post Number: 32 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 24.23.195.62 Rating: N/A |
Nisarga,
Night Shyamalan has shown the same idea in his movie HAPPENING. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3935 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Nisarga/Unknown, Found this link searching for something... Its an eclectic collection of thoughts on enlightenment...range from Zen practitioners to Aghoris to Advaita etc...very interesting read http://www.goldcoastyogacentre.com/welcome/page83.php aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3932 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Fractal theory and Grand Unified theory in modern terms ... In ancient terms - stop looking for God outside and find him/her inside you - the Upanishadic theory of Advaitic Brahman It all comes down to the same centre point- the singularity in modern terms and the bliss sheath/ anandamaya kosa described in Taittiriya Upanishad My ideas of God, rebirth, soul - ippatiki IB and ikkada chala sarlu discuss chesanu -I believe in the advaitic theory of God is the only thing that exists, all creation is part of God - dwaita/dualist God and creation do not appeal to me ...I believe in soul/consciousness and rebirth etc... But those are my beliefs based on my life, experiences,what I have learnt and how I chose to interpret them... Everyone finds their own path aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3931 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Meeru ee concepts first time vintunnaru kabatti meeku interesting ga undi I have heard, thought about and discussed these way before I heard of UG , so na reaction is different - the only thing new/different about UG is his bad language...
Again same thing as I said to OT - none of these are new concepts...these have been discussed and debated in my own house since I was a teen , some are as old as the Upanishads, some later philosophy but most pre 20th century- UG just reduces them to the basest level possible I have another thought on UG - he talks about his calamity states etc... though they are similar to samadhi states - the pain he describes resemble the ardhadagdha states in Kundalini yoga...its a kind of Trishanku swarga state - neither here nor there state that is painful and distressing ...have not heard of anyone else who reached enlightenment describing the samadhi state as physically painful... Like Jiddu said - Truth is pathless- there is no one path to reach it - everyone paves their own way aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Nisarga Junior Artist Username: Nisarga Post Number: 128 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 135.245.10.4 Rating: N/A |
The core of UG can be seen in his quotes: you are so unique that you need not change to become someone else. Morality is the horrendous creation of humanity. The world around you is the only reality and no other reality exists and U need to deal with this reality in your own unique way. Love is the futile effort to integrate two divided souls. Beauty is the creation of thought. All forms of arts are pleasure movements. Man created God to justify his control over the rest of the nature's creation. The humanity is in such a precarious situation that any movement to save mankind only hastens the process of the total destruction. To hope is to create another hopeless situation. The desire for God and Sex stem from the same source. Meditation is inner warfare destroying the sensitivity of the organism. Food orgies are worse than sex orgies. The heart is functioning harmoniously and smoothly without waiting for Buddha or Jesus to tell it "How to Function". Stop thinking and Start living. When the nature cannot take it any more it will finish off the mankind in one stroke and that is the only Moksha. The divisions among human beings are natural reflections of the divisive human consciousness. It is impossible to integrate the humanity. | ||
| Unknown Junior Artist Username: Unknown Post Number: 342 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.57.54.110 Rating: N/A |
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=ug+ krishnamurti&aq=0&oq=ug+kr bedar...UG has seen peaks and very lows in his life it seems...his philosophy is thrash all philosophies....no birth..no death..no though..no body gets anything...everything is trash in simple terms... need to read more about him to understand his stand point though :-)
Yes...Mahesh Bhatt seems to be hard core fan for him...variety lokam...kaaya gooralu daggaranichi...elaka lu paamulu thine valla daaka unnaaru lokam lo :-) Jiddu's point on inward understanding is very interesting... Somewhere I read that...we cannot understand how this universe is formed and how is it exsiting..because its so big.. and its beyond our reach physically or imagination.. so another concept is....we can go inwardly and understand the molecule structure...whole universe is like a molecule...protons..electrons..neutrons are like planets/galaxies...there is emptiness in between these..universe is also same... have you heard something like this anywhere... also..what are your thoughts on soul..rebirth..and existence of God... | ||
| Onlytruth Legend Username: Onlytruth Post Number: 42701 Registered: 01-2007 Posted From: 173.50.165.146 Rating: |
distaste emundhi lite....atani matalu interesting ga unnaayi ee video lo....i am hearing first time about him atanu cheppina concept kuda first impression lo bagundhi * No Past , its only memory * Physical Eye Cannot see 'blue' sky inka atani videos , quotes links ivvandi Husband PRP ki voteyyaledani aligi puttintiki vellaaru andhra lo ladies - CHIRU stmt | ||
| Bushu Junior Artist Username: Bushu Post Number: 92 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 12.183.111.203 Rating: N/A |
annai Jiddu theosophical society ni odilesaadu antaru kadha? mahesh bhatt gaadu UG goppa fan. no wonder. why? yes saar | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3929 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Each found their audience - people who swear by them Isn't that interesting though ?
Philosophy ekkuvaina mee philosophy succint ga chepparu ... I agree with you - live life well in this moment to your satisfaction and the past and future will take care of themselves aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Unknown Junior Artist Username: Unknown Post Number: 341 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 71.57.54.110 Rating: N/A |
Jiddu makes lot of sense and UG is complete nonsense. IMO.. very few people(I can say one in 100s) will have this kind of thought process like (enlightenment, consciousness, self realizations etc) in their life time.. very few of them articulate well and dare to teach others on what they realized in/on life.. very few who listen to them understand it completely and implement it in their life..very few or none of them take this knwoledge to next generation (unlike our regular science and technolgy inventions) Interesingly..God (or whatver) gives limited time for everyone to live...by the time someone tries to understand His puzzle He removes that someone from the face of the earth..and this puzzle is something that next generation cannot solve..and the time goes on and on and on.................. no one knows where it started...no one knows where it will end....our life is one trillionth (assumption again) of an eye blink in this time scale...everything is a theory..there are no proofs for athma...soul..life before birth...life after birth..one galaxy or million galaxies or where is the end..idhi anantham..idhi Unknown haman brains.. whatever you learn/earn in life..you have to spend here Eat well..workout well...sleep well...think +ve..don;t hurt/harm anyone..live well..die peacefully...and the rest next generaton will take care of it... ayya baboi..koncham philosophy ekkuvayyindi eee rojuki...bye..  | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3923 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
The comment was meant about UG not Jiddu .. I have a lot of respect for Jiddu and the teachers like him- they learn and teach what they learn They do not try to trash other people or their teachings aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2608 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.97.225.162 Rating: N/A |
Jiddu is theosophy teacher. teacher ante thelsinavi chebutharu. they don't discover new stuff. | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2607 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.97.225.162 Rating: N/A |
I don't know about UG. but Jiddu is a philosopher. not a scientist to discover something ani anukunta. alochinchi thanaki thochindi chebuthadu. UG laga evarni boothulu thittaledu. UG famous ayindi boothulu valane ani antaru. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3922 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Not sure in detail but UG had a long relationship with Jiddu ani chadivanu - he just thought he already knew what Jiddu was teaching and did not need to learn from him ... A lot of UGs thoughts reflect what Jiddu says - just a little different spin on them... The way I see it ,there is really nothing new to say - no discovery they have made themselves - so all these teachers find different ways to say the same thing aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2604 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.97.225.162 Rating: N/A |
U. G. Krishnamurti - Meetings with J.Krishnamurti UG is against Jiddu. http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/U_G_Krishnamurti_-_Meeti ngs_with_JKrishnamurti/id/2037830 they didn't get along very well. I think one of the reasons UG became a rebel and anti-guru is because of jiddu's theosophical teachings . | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2603 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.97.225.162 Rating: N/A |
simple man. jiddu rocks. Living Without Conflict http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg0tOj6GRGY | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3921 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
Frankly in whatever I have read of his stuff - I did not find anything very different from the other, spiritual teachers... He takes digs at spiritual teachers and changes names of the phenomena to make it sound different... He was a disciple of Ramana Maharishi and Jiddu... the experiences he describes are very similar to the Samadhi states described by others but he renames it as "Calamity " - old wine in new bottle to me... Thought combust ayinappudu body meda ash vachedi anta ayinaki - how is this different from other gurus manifesting vibhudhi on their bodies ? Kottaga cheppindi emi kanapadaledu - old advaita teachings to some extent in an obnoxious language... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Jkm Side Hero Username: Jkm Post Number: 2602 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 76.97.225.162 Rating: N/A |
You are the world http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4kwSaJEVGg&feature=related Jiddu rocks | ||
| Mrhyderabad Comedian Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 1450 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
Thanks
If he has a point to prove then i have no problem. But i didn't like his thought on "human thought process" It is plain stupid to ask people to live like animals. JMO. Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3920 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 167.24.104.150 Rating: N/A |
UG Krishnamurthy... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U._G._Krishnamurti Nisarga and IBV discussed about his quotes and philosophy at length in IBDB....He has some interesting thoughts... He claims to be anti-guru but entertained tons of followers, he says there is no thought but his thoughts are quoted everywhere and books written about his thoughts on thoughts To me a man who resorts to abuse and profanity to garner attention is not worth listening to...but that is my opinion... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 14185 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 69.223.189.17 Rating: N/A |
I luv this guy...nenu kooda alaa avvali anukuntunna...kookuni maatalu cheppi alaa bathikeyocchu | ||
| Mrhyderabad Comedian Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 1449 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.118 Rating: N/A |
Who is this guys? He is using a filthy words in every sentence.  Perception is immune to Intellectual Correction ... | ||
| Obama Junior Artist Username: Obama Post Number: 31 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 24.23.195.62 Rating: |
Anand, maybe you are having indigestion when watching this video. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 3917 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 68.206.110.236 Rating: N/A |
Lots of UG fans in this DB had recommended reading UG's philosophy to me ... However, whatever curiosity was piqued by those comments is replaced by distaste after watching this video... aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Obama Junior Artist Username: Obama Post Number: 30 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 24.23.195.62 Rating: N/A |
Enjoy the show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1HjxIZDuRw |
