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Jkm
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Anand_n:

Its again a perception issue :-) In India definition of intelligence is generally limited to Logical/mathematical Intelligence again driven by the probablility of landing a high paying job I think :-)


Being an Engineer I was referring only to Logical/scientific/mathematical intelligence only. Many who secure very good ranks in Eamcet may not be good at that also. Their only strength is good memory, and yes, many ppl in India do not really know the difference between having good memory and being intelligent. Our education system has been aiming at memorizing things and reproducing them for a longtime. May be it is ok in elementary schooling, even Eamcet aimed at picking future engineers is following the same.
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Indiarocks:

Yet many ppl term a person with a good eamcet rank to be intelligent




Its again a perception issue :-) In India definition of intelligence is generally limited to Logical/mathematical Intelligence again driven by the probablility of landing a high paying job I think :-)

The other intelligences - Visual/spatial, verbal, musical, kinesthetic , inter and intra-personal are totally ignored.

The irony is inventors need to have a high level of Spatial/visual intelligence but the guys we push into science fields are ones with the higher logical abilities...

Another tidbit - the people considered to be the most intelligent folks with the highest estimated IQs are not scientists/mathematicians but Philosophers :-)


Nisarga,
Intelligence may start out as nature , but nurture plays a big role in shaping/stunting its growth.If the nurture does not allow a balanced growth in all areas, their ability to connect these multiple intelligences suffers resulting in a decline in the overall net:-)

That said each person naturally has some dominant intelligences and will gravitate to careers that best use them if nurture lets them...Some intelligences complement each other like the rhythmic/musical complementing the mathematical :-)

Its a very engrossing subject :-)
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Again cultural - our education systems does not encourage curiosity or creativity - infact does its best to suppress it. Personally I can recall countless arguments with my teachers and parents on why if my answer is equally right, a question has to be answered only the way the teacher does it ? The standard response-Just do it the way the teacher said cos they don't have time to evaluate different answers. Where is the motivation to try to think out of the box or come out with creative solutions ? And when you suppress a part of a growing brain long enough, atrophy sets in.




Agree 100% with this. Best example is EAMCET. Atleast 50% of the preparation is getting shortcut formulas by heart. And I have even seen people byheart answers to standard questions.And I am sure even the guy who gets the first rank does that. Yet many ppl term a person with a good eamcet rank to be intelligent(he may actually be, but EAMCET rank is a very poor measure).
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mana indian Phds emi chestunnaro. mana Phds kasta padali. desaniki manchi peru thevali.




Akkade kada Nurture pani chestundi :-)

Disclaimer : This is my opinion only and has not been endorsed by any academicians


Reason 1: Financials at personal and project levels

Economic Culture : We are a culture driven by financial status.Status of person is defined by how much he/she earns, not by what they acheive.Product of this culture measure their self worth by their income and bank balance and will gravitate toward higher paying jobs which typically are not in academia or research.So the best brains move towards careers that make the least use of them :-(

Funding : Research needs funding and research dollars go to the people with most connections and visibility. Read nepotism - which is why you see coteries in research .


Reason 2 : Upbringing...

Again cultural - our education systems does not encourage curiosity or creativity - infact does its best to suppress it. Personally I can recall countless arguments with my teachers and parents on why if my answer is equally right, a question has to be answered only the way the teacher does it ? The standard response-Just do it the way the teacher said cos they don't have time to evaluate different answers. Where is the motivation to try to think out of the box or come out with creative solutions ? And when you suppress a part of a growing brain long enough, atrophy sets in.

Things are changing now, but learning by rote and regurgitation in tests being considered merit, is a death knell for innovation-a prerequisite for success in research. And it takes a lot of unlearning to break out of those constraints built in from childhood.

Despite this, if some Indians are successful in research, I would say it is totally to their credit that their spirit weathered the system that sets them up for failure.
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intresting thread. continue contine.

Mallik:

http://www.edinformatics.com/inventions_inventors/

A list of greatest inventions of all time. Now tell me how many of them are Jewish.




Jewesh emo gaani India nunchi oka invention kooda leda ? zero tappa. mana indian Phds emi chestunnaro. mana Phds kasta padali. desaniki manchi peru thevali.
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Mallik:




mallik mee mail ID ivvandi oka sari....
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"Math is King and Physics is Queen"

But Prince is Mahesh Babu
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"Math is King and Physics is Queen"

hmm.. what I heard was, mathematical theorems were developed to solve problems in physics and not vice-versa.
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Mental_sachinodu:

i still cannot have a rational explanation to believe their gene's got better post war




Mass mutation caused by Auswitz

Naked_basket:

jennifer pathai and rafael pathai......please check the rating of those masters on amazon....

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they are not even read......they are not even academicians of any repute....there are 1000 stray writers who claim to know everything....it is for a reason people want qualifications...




Really ??? and their publishers are stupid enough to publish so many of Raphael Patai's works on the subject of Jewish-Arab folklore, history and anthropology even if no one reads ... wish I could find such publishers
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Its a very interesting quote that u have presented and I profusely thank you for that and this quote sort of succintly sums up what I was trying to bringforth here.




I think my reason for using this particular quote of Einstein is not to compare it with the quote of Hans or to support what Hans has quoted. Though Einstein has quoted that he is just a curious person, i do not believe that is the only key to what he has achieved. I do not believe every person who has the same level of curiosity of Einstein would have achieved what he could. That just does not seem enough to be an Einstein.

I do not think using a quote in an argument is a valid way to prove or support a point, the reason for me posting the quote is i cannot use Einstein's quote to prove that everyone who is curious will become an Einstein. That is what i meant when i said perception ain't reality, quote is just a notion. In my view if one human can do it, some where, some time another human is capable of doing it. While i do not wish to discredit any of the great minds, I just think if not for them someone else would have achieved what they did. This statement i cannot prove it just like i believe you cannot, that no one else could have done it.



Naked_basket:

I was confining my-self to what we term as Post war mathematics.



This does not seem fair enough to me, as you are also using only this era to determine them as the most intelligent race of all time!!. If our argument is about the most intelligent race in post war era, it still does not make enough sense to me, i still cannot have a rational explanation to believe their gene's got better post war.
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Naked_basket:

here are the stats:

Chemistry: 20% of the world nobels
Phyics: 26%
Economics:42%




FYI - those are numbers of people who have any traceable jewish lineage - so they are claiming half , quarter and three-quarter jewish in that list ...

For e,g, Neils Bohr is has a non-jewish father...

Now if you selectively chose to attribute his intelligence only to his mom....selective attribution ...
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Mental_sachinodu:

Einstein himself has quoted

"There is nothing mythical in me, I am just a very curious person, and very persistent at it". I know its his greatness that he is so humble, I just wanted to say quotes are perceptions, and many times perception ain't reality.




Its a very interesting quote that u have presented and I profusely thank you for that and this quote sort of succintly sums up what I was trying to bringforth here.

Sach gaaru, I think the choice of your quote was tautological vis-a-vis my quote of hans bethe because Hans essentially was talking about the process of enquiry in a class of humans. His divine providence can directly map onto the curiosity that einstein was talking about. Those abstract semantics can often times shroud the essence of discussion. If you just want to stick to einstein, he himself said "God doesn't play dice with the world" while commenting on the copenhagen intrepretation.

semantics apart, thanks for your contribution.
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guyz you can never come to a conclusion on nature or nurture.

NO ONE KNOWS WHATS GOING ON BUT
NATURE AND NURTURE ACT AS ONE
NATURE AND NURTURE ACT APART
TO RULE THE MIND THE HAND THE HEART

NATURE AND NURTURE WENT TO BED
EACH ONE HAD A PAIN IN THE HEAD
EACH ONE HAD A PAIN IN THE HEART
THEY SHARED THE BED AND SLEPT APART

NATURE AND NURTURE PLAYED A GAME
TO FIND OUT WHICH ONE WAS TO BLAME
TO FIND OUT WHICH ONE WAS TO PRAISE
RESULTS WERNT CLEAR THE STAKES WERE RAISED

NATURE AN NURTURE HAD A FIGHT
EACH ONE SAID THAT EACH WAS RIGHT
EACH ONE SAID THAT EACH WAS WRONG
AND NO ONE KNOWS WHATS GOING ON


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I think VISWAMITRA re-invented. surusti ki prathi srusti
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Mega:

I think there is nothing like re-invent




I think reinvent is a valid verb as per the english lexicon.
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While historical significance of their contribution will involve a fair deal of complexity given the schism in the continuity of historical docketing post second world war. I was confining my-self to what we term as Post war mathematics. Since I am not an expert on theological implications on epistemology of mathematics, I wont comment on that and will take ur statements as a defacto source of information.
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guyz you can never come to a conclusion on nature or nurture.

NO ONE KNOWS WHATS GOING ON BUT
NATURE AND NURTURE ACT AS ONE
NATURE AND NURTURE ACT APART
TO RULE THE MIND THE HAND THE HEART

NATURE AND NURTURE WENT TO BED
EACH ONE HAD A PAIN IN THE HEAD
EACH ONE HAD A PAIN IN THE HEART
THEY SHARED THE BED AND SLEPT APART

NATURE AND NURTURE PLAYED A GAME
TO FIND OUT WHICH ONE WAS TO BLAME
TO FIND OUT WHICH ONE WAS TO PRAISE
RESULTS WERNT CLEAR THE STAKES WERE RAISED

NATURE AN NURTURE HAD A FIGHT
EACH ONE SAID THAT EACH WAS RIGHT
EACH ONE SAID THAT EACH WAS WRONG
AND NO ONE KNOWS WHATS GOING ON
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Naked_basket:

There is a inscription in Caltech physics department outside feynman's room which was quoted by Hans Bethe:

" There are 2 kinds of geniuses. The first kind outwork us and they deserve that credit. The next kind are called magicians. No matter what u do, u can never see what they see and never produce what they can produce. After years of scientific pursuit in which I saw a Nobel prize too, I can safely now say that there is indeed a Divine providence, a magic hand that some people posses"




Einstein himself has quoted

"There is nothing mythical in me, I am just a very curious person, and very persistent at it". I know its his greatness that he is so humble, I just wanted to say quotes are perceptions, and many times perception ain't reality.
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If not for them, U wudnt be doing what u are doing to earn a living now....U they didnt invent tomography using decomposition on weak manifolds then there would be no modern medicine...and with out einstein talking about Laser, there would have been No modern machining.....




While i agree that jews have contributed scientifically to this modern era, they were not with out the blunders. Have you heard of Theology of zero, how the jewish and christian theology rejected zero, and how the jews tried to stick to the aristotlerian theory. Jews were very rigid in being able to accept zero, which also introduced the concept of infinity into the universe. Aritotle started to fade out once the power of zero and infinity started to explain this universe better. with the introduction of infinity, universe has grown from a finite entity to infinite entity, once universe became infinite, it meant there was no center to it, and the explanation earth being the center of earth looked ridiculuous. Eventually jews had to give in.

I will post more instances when jews failed blatantly(preferably math).

Since jewish and indian race are in the discussion, do you know what aristotle said about jewish origin!!? he claimed the jews descended from indian brahmins. it might be of interest to understand how similar the jewish theology is related to the hindu thelogies in many areas.
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THEY INVENTED ALL MODERN MATHEMATICS.

Babai you also used re-invent. I think there is nothing like re-invent
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I asked you a straight question - what is the race distribution of the remaining 80% ?

You keep quoting 20 % nobel laureates as substantiation of your claim that Jews are a superior race - what if the numbers state that 30 % are non- Jewish Germans - that invalidates your claim doesn't it ?
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Naked_basket:

20% is not right....

see the stratification.



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Mallik:

thera teesta..




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mein padha!! tumhari toda!!

macha!!bahut acha!!mein bacha!!battala sacham lucha!!
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I remember studying Leibnitz theorem's. Calculus ante Newton ane telsu naaku.

Sare.. to put an end.. Your view is purely driven by Jewish mathematicians ani naaku anpistundi.. But math ki janmanichhindi mana desi vaadu.. sunnaa ni kanukkoni.. anyway.. nice disco.. nenu ee topic ni maatram odilipettedi ledu.. library ki poyyi pustakaalu sadvi mallee thera teesta..
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anduke Hitler gaadu jewesih race ni finish chedda manukunnadu anukunta.....light veyandi evaranna..
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Mallik:

Oka Jewish kid ni puttagaane oka nallodi ghetto lo vadilthe ettaa thayaaru aithadu?




idi kevalam naa alochana, tappo rito telvadu....... nallodu mafia gadaite smart mafia gadavutadu........

idi kuda naa assumption to istunna analogy, gene anedi oka "musa"(bommalu chestaru) lantidi and vadu perige environment oka "loham"(metal) lantidi......

loham gold aite gold bomma avuddi....matti aite matti bomma avuddi.....but aa bomma shape maatram same.......
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srry to counter u..calculus was not invented by newton but by a german mathematician called Leibniz. Leibniz was the first to invent what is now being used as Discrete Calculus. There is a whole study which discredited newton from calculus.

Between, calculus as a science was first mooted by descartes way before newton. it was indeed for this reason, descartes invented what we called the cartesian mathematics for co-ordinate geometry. hence he is called the father of modern rationalism.

btw, mana discussion was "modern era" kadha???? Newton's calculus is is called was long back modiefied as Analysis and modern mathematics talks in Analytic terms...
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I would think nurture determines what we do or what we become, nature determines how we do. nature has more say in one's intelligence


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I would think nurture determines what we do or what we become, nature determines how we do. nature has more say in one's intelligence.
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I think Newtons age of doing physics was rewritten in 1905!!!!!!!


What about math? Derivatives and Integrals lekundaane inventions ainayaa tammi? And you call the below list of inventors invented everything in math between them, without CALCULUS?
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So, if a race invents everything in what we call todays mathematics, them become superior?




Just FYI, visit princeton and ask them..who are the smartest people around here???

If they dont say the math guys...then its ur call to pare the information that I have provided in which ever fashion u like....

I understand ur point.....They are atleast at the moment the better race in the chosen pursuits of knowledge
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If not for them, U wudnt be doing what u are doing to earn a living now....U they didnt invent tomography using decomposition on weak manifolds then there would be no modern medicine...and with out einstein talking about Laser, there would have been No modern machining.....

It is for a reason they say : Hard sciences.....which only have math,physics in them...nothing else....

and for a reason they say:

"Math is the king and physics is the queen....and the rest can anyways be procreated from them".




For everyone's benefit (including a layman like me in math/physics)..can you post the derived inventions that came out of Math/Physics..that are used in our daily life

BTW..this is not to kindal anyone based on race or anything..I just wanted to know...and since you are have done some research ...just trying to piggy back on your information sources anthe..
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"Math is the king and physics is the queen....and the rest can anyways be procreated from them".


Ante Field of Medicine ni aak paak karepaak sesinavaa tammi..
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I think Newtons age of doing physics was rewritten in 1905!!!!!!!
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So, if a race invents everything in what we call todays mathematics, them become superior?




If not for them, U wudnt be doing what u are doing to earn a living now....U they didnt invent tomography using decomposition on weak manifolds then there would be no modern medicine...and with out einstein talking about Laser, there would have been No modern machining.....

It is for a reason they say : Hard sciences.....which only have math,physics in them...nothing else....

and for a reason they say:

"Math is the king and physics is the queen....and the rest can anyways be procreated from them".
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Mallik:

If you say Jewish are the superior race




btw, i am not sure if you know this... AIG is a Jewish company :-)
I am going to Vote for Chiru...
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BTW, was Sir Isaac Newton jewish?
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So, if a race invents everything in what we call todays mathematics, them become superior?
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McClov ji....no offense meant kani...button hole, aerosol can...ivanni inventions kindha cite chese site ni manam time invest cheyyatam kooda waste.

"If u dont believe me, go to Rutgers or Princeton and ask a math dept student the following:

"what has cantor, Godel, Grothendieck, Haddamard, Jacobi, Stan Ulam, Von neumann invent between them"

if the answer is anything short of what I have given, then I will rethink if I have indeed known even a wee bit of mathematics.
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http://www.edinformatics.com/inventions_inventors/

A list of greatest inventions of all time. Now tell me how many of them are Jewish.
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John von Neumann ------He single handedly invented sequential computing machines. wrote the mathematics for the first order predicate math that computers follow.

There is not even a case against them. Give me one race which did as much as they did in the modern age. They are not even in the leauge of others.

They faced far more difficulties than india as a collective whole (extermination) yet produced the most beautiful pieces of work.
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between the above names, is the whole modern mathematics itself. They are the founding fathers of whatever math we are using, learning and are claiming to know.

THEY INVENTED ALL MODERN MATHEMATICS.
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what is this numbers thing. I think u missed the whole point of the thread. It is almost inevitably true that people who changed the course of history in hard sciences are Jews.

Georg Cantor ------------father of modern set theory which computer logic is based on.

* Paul Cohen
* Richard Courant
* Joseph Doob
* Samuel Eilenberg
* Gotthold Eisenstein
* Paul Erdös
* Izrail Gelfand
* Alexander Grothendieck 11
* Jacques Hadamard
* Felix Hausdorff
* Ernst Hellinger
* Heinz Hopf 13
* Adolph Hurwitz
* Carl G. J. Jacobi
* Mark Kac
* Leopold Kronecker
* Peter Lax
* Solomon Lefschetz
* Tullio Levi-Civita
* Paul Lévy
* Rudolph Lipschitz



* Benoit Mandelbrot
* Hermann Minkowski
* John von Neumann
* Emmy Noether
* Grigori Perelman
* George Pólya
* Emil Post
* Alfréd Rényi
* Frederic (Frigyes) Riesz
* Abraham Robinson
* Klaus Roth
* Issai Schur
* Laurent Schwartz
* I. M. Singer
* James Joseph Sylvester
* Alfred Tarski
* Otto Toeplitz
* Paul Turán
* Paul Urysohn
* Vito Volterra
* André Weil
* Norbert Wiener
* Edward Witten
* Oscar Zariski
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Anand_n:

give me the probablility that the remaining 80% of nobel laureates is not dominated by another race probably taking it over the 20 % that jews have ?




20% is not right....

see the stratification. Also what about the period when jews were driven out of europe and had to face extinction. What is the volume of scientific progress of jews then. are we discounting that????
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You are a math guy - give me the probablility that the remaining 80% of nobel laureates is not dominated by another race probably taking it over the 20 % that jews have ?
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jennifer pathai and rafael pathai......please check the rating of those masters on amazon....

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they are not even read......they are not even academicians of any repute....there are 1000 stray writers who claim to know everything....it is for a reason people want qualifications...
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here are the stats:

Chemistry: 20% of the world nobels
Phyics: 26%
Economics:42%
----------------------------

see the numbers in math: They are just staggering:

http://www.jinfo.org/Mathematics.html
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Mallik/Mario_puzo,
Idi okappudu print excerpt chadivanu...found the book online "The myth of the Jewish Race"...read the chapter "The Jewish mind"

especially from page 159 which talk about the Nobel prizes and comparisons of student performances(page 162) :-)Surprisingly jews ranked higher in verbal ability, but were outranked by orientals in mathematical ability, by non-jewish whites and orientals in language abilities and spatial ability and by all groups in memory :-) so much for superiority...:-)


http://books.google.com/books?id=Xt7f6WBEP0EC&pg=PA158&lpg=P A158&dq=race+and+nobel+prizes&source=bl&ots=tJRk0e2fhD&sig=4 wTorsSs3dbmXDet99y6l6Mboxc&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum= 6&ct=result#PPA147,M1
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Andy gaaru: Two sentences by Quant bothered me. Not saying they are wrong, may be its his observation.

Jews are superior race.
Jews are way out of the league. (Ante evaroo touch kooda cheyaleru ani)

These two sentences, I just felt a slap on our education system. Quantitative Math is just not the only way to measure a 'race' brilliance.
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Maybe a silly question...

20% of all Nobel Laureates are Jewish sare,what about the remaining 80 % ...Which race gets how much - ee numbers unnaya ?
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yem bedar good bye kottav...rakunda vundaleka poyav kaduu...atta sedipesthadi saami DB...but good to have you back
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I stand corrected. U are right. Mathematics has no nobel. I was adding them.
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http://ishitech.co.il/1204ar3.htm
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its 90%...


Source undaa tammi?
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I would agree that Jews being 20% of Nobel prize winners, they are intelligent.




its 90%...not 20%. that is a staggering number!!!
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Ippativaraku black QB super bowl gelichina sandharbham led bedhar.


Unnai tammi. 1988 lo Doug Williams gelshindu anta.
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By following NFL each season and me saying that Black race is superior to other races quoting that, me never saw a non-black running back and 99% are not non-black wide receivers - how does it look to manning's family fans?




Ippativaraku black QB super bowl gelichina sandharbham led bedhar. Same paristhithi Jews dhi kuda. Academicia,business,hollywood ivanni ok kani as far as i know no jew has taken higher office. I think joe lieberman was the first Jew to be nominated for V.P post in 2000.
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I would agree that Jews being 20% of Nobel prize winners, they are intelligent. But why would they need 'Affirmative Action' practised in america right besides a black/latino/asian folks.
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By following NFL each season and me saying that Black race is superior to other races quoting that, me never saw a non-black running back and 99% are not non-black wide receivers - how does it look to manning's family fans?




not to be taken in derogatory terms(my thinking may be out of the box..kaani naaku appudu appudu itla anipisthadi)...but you know the term Gladiators..

unfortunately ..papam vella paristhithi adi..vellu ground lo kummukuntaru..tellodu mandu kottukunta stadium lo koorchoni soosthundu..

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deeni gurinchi eppudu alochistanu..........ee "certain degree" ni define cheyygalava guru???emanna numbers unnaya???




Unfortunately naaku antha knowledge ledhu andi. But I have personally been reading evolutionary biology since I was 16. I have read some really advanced works. All said and done, I haven't worked in this area. But from what the leading biologists are converging onto, it seems that after all your genes seem to be the most important thing. At one point there were theories by the liberal west which said, well, genes need eugenics. But that theory has been laid to rest now conclusively. The Gene is back at the helm as the one which has this irrefutable influence on how ur future generations shape.

read: W.D.Hamilton: The narrow lanes in the Geneland.

W.D.Hamilton is called the biology's einstein. A very very smart manthematician who made the most stunning contributions in the post crick era.

Also: "the 12 myths of kinship selections" by RIchard Dawkins.
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Mallik:

But Jews being superior race, this statement somewhat bothers me, not because Iam not jewish.




Stop letting it bother you :-) There is no scientific way to arrive at something being superior to another unless all contributing factors are equal ...

Have all other races had the same challenges and opportunities ? and the stream of work ... average IQ is not static - it changes across decades the delta depending on a various socio-economic factors :-)

So superior inferior discussion/tension anavasaram anukunta :-)
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Anand garu, nenu kuda adey cheppanu in my post No:1411, but i didn't know the actor's name.
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Rajusk:

then why does it bother you


I believe Indians/Chinese/Japs are no less to anyother race in the world.

By following NFL each season and me saying that Black race is superior to other races quoting that, me never saw a non-black running back and 99% are not non-black wide receivers - how does it look to manning's family fans?
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Yes to a certain degree nurture helps people.




deeni gurinchi eppudu alochistanu..........ee "certain degree" ni define cheyygalava guru???emanna numbers unnaya???

intelligence ani okkate kadu, manishi behaviour,attitude vetannati meeda nurture prabhaavam enta untundi???

oka family parama peenasi gallanukundam aa family lo puttina oka kurradni vallaki duramga penchite ela tayaravtadu???

similar lines lo kodavatiganti kutumba rao gari katha okati untundi, duramga perigina genes de vijayam ani cheptadu ayana katha lo
sujatha!! mein mar jatha!!tumhara chuttu phir jatha!!adi naa tala raata...

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But Jews being superior race, this statement somewhat bothers me, not because Iam not jewish.




then why does it bother you
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Iam not saying with Hardwork you can earn/get Intelligence. No, not at all. I do agree intelligence passing thru the Gene. But Jews being superior race, this statement somewhat bothers me, not because Iam not jewish.
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eenaki, benhur ki emayinaa link undhaa?




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Mallik:

intelligence is attributed more to Nurture than Natural Selection/Genes.




I am afraid that u have gotten it only partially right. Yes to a certain degree nurture helps people. But it has been proven scientifically that ur gene pool matters and the correlation is so strong with high acheivers that there is no other alternative available.

When I say high acheivers, ppl who change the course of a science or a phenomenon...there is certainly an unquantified contribution from ur genes. see I appreciate ur view point. I always used to believe it as a kid. But even in school, I knew some kids who just were outsmarting others not by virtue of their work but by something more intrinsic.

I think u will atleast appreciate the fact that I won't profess ideologies on the back of the sort of analytic training that I received. Its always great to think "yes I am as good as him"..but there are some people who u just can't become...there is no way...atleast I experienced it.

There is a inscription in Caltech physics department outside feynman's room which was quoted by Hans Bethe:

" There are 2 kinds of geniuses. The first kind outwork us and they deserve that credit. The next kind are called magicians. No matter what u do, u can never see what they see and never produce what they can produce. After years of scientific pursuit in which I saw a Nobel prize too, I can safely now say that there is indeed a Divine providence, a magic hand that some people posses"
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I have personally seen may be 4 - 5 Indians, 15 Chinese and more than 60 European jews hired in this year.

There is a standard phrase that we use when we talk to our next interviwer to describe our experience and we generally use..." The gene block" to tell Jew.

I have heard that name more told to me. its a sort of culture that they have inculcated over centuries.
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Let me reiterate my argument just for the sake of it. I believe character/intelligence is attributed more to Nurture than Natural Selection/Genes.
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and I found out that proof was along the lines that the number theorist called Erdos used in his communication with Timothy Gowers in one of his papers. This guy's argument was akin to that but not similar. I was so happy that at such an young age, he already had read and understood papers written so long ago and actually found a problem to which he extended the solution.

Brilliant....It is just one of the stories that I can tell you. Columbia math dept had a prof once called israel gelfand who was called the math machine. He useed to consume mathematics as coffee. I was blessed to see him give a lecture random alogorithms and he was actually an authority in PDE's. They are at 2 ends of the spectrum. He just picked up a problem in Computer science one summer and solved it to get the turing prize. He again is a jew.
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I mean hardly 2% of the people survive the first 30 mins.


How many of them are jew/indian/chinese?
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I dont think so. see I have gone through the interview process here and have been interviewing for about 4 months now.

the process itself is very very challenging. I mean hardly 2% of the people survive the first 30 mins. The first round is a math interview wherein the standard questions are in geometry, Analysis and and some discrete math.

the second round is the programming one and this is where u can see how creative jews can get...I have personally asked called Hermann from Cornell to code the asymmetric graph coloring problem and I have seen how many people approach this problem coz I used to be one of them. This bloke just brought me to my knees when he used a probabilistic argument to give me the complexity of the problem.

I have asked at least 10 indian PhD's the same question in different forms and I almost got the standard reply. That answer is something that is given as proof in any advanced algorithms course.

This guy is a BS from Cornell Math. Born in Budapest. Moved to US when he was 6 and his argument was just beautiful. I told my manager that this guy is a genius. They still didn't hire him coz they needed a PhD for that quant role. I personally emailed him to express my awe at his solution.

Now he is pursuing his PhD at Courant Institute and as I see it he will end up as a very very productive mathematician.
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Have you heard about Jewish Affirmative Action?
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Mallik:

Jews favor Jews.




This is absolutely not true. There has been more indo-jewish colloborative projects than indo-us.

I will give you an example, at IIsc most of the visiting scientists are from Weizman institute, israel's MIT. for all the pomp and show, no one from MIT or Princeton or berkely visits india to deliver a lecture series at significant summer schools.
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with all due respect, the mathematical skill of most indian programmers is second rate. Chinese are mathematically more accomplished than us and jews are just not in our league.


Right on. Dont you think the same logic would be applied by your managers who are jew and hire the jew even though the chance of Indian/Chinese programmers are equally good.
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Mallik:

Indian




with all due respect, the mathematical skill of most indian programmers is second rate. Chinese are mathematically more accomplished than us and jews are just not in our league. Sad but true.
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Mallik:

hen a jewish kid raised in non-jewish envynment, would he as intelligent as he was raised in hebrew envynment?




I will give you straight answers...Richard Feynman who is called the most fertile and original physicist of this century, was born here in NY to jewish parents!! He was not raised jewish coz his father never went to synagogue. Yet biographers say that as a KID, Feynman "reinvented" yes u heard it right..."reinvented" trigonometry all by himself in school as he felt his teachers were not as smart as he was told.

btw, feynman's father was a tailor!!!
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I think I already told you, at my work place, the heads of all quant groups are JEWS...the best programmers at my workplace are jews...


NYC is ruled by Jews. Jews favor Jews. Just as an example, take 10,000 instances where a job requires an intelligent programmer in the City. Chinese/Indian/Jew compete for that post. Who do you think will get the position most times?
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Tell me this Quant. If you say Jewish are the superior race and insist on Natural selection to Nurture, then a jewish kid raised in non-jewish envynment, would he as intelligent as he was raised in hebrew envynment?
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nenu personally na life lo kalisina best minds were all jews...look at the Math olympiad in the last 16 years not one or 2.....every gold medalist is a jew...

so is the case with the IPO, the putnam contest.......

I think I already told you, at my work place, the heads of all quant groups are JEWS...the best programmers at my workplace are jews...
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Jawaani_ki_aag:

moses antey jews god kadhaa?


Yeah.. benhur ki link endo telvad tammi..
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I might not agree with that tone of demagoguery but i can definitely vouch for some part of it. If there had been a race which literally ruled scientific innovation, it is the jewish race.

1.) Jimmy Von Neuman -----invented the computer
2.) Albert einstein
3.) Schrodinger
4.) Max Plack
5.) Max bohm
5.) Borel--------------invented the foundations of first order logic
6.) Neils bohr
7.) Stan Ulam
8.) Erdos
9.) Steinhaus
10.) Stephen Banach
11.) Richard feynman
12.) Michael Atiyah
13.) Weinberger
14.) Murray Gelman


and the list goes on. between the 14 above listed, they re-invented modern mathematics and modern physics. Each a genius and an amazing brain with in itself. That jews are smart is the truth.
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Mallik:

In a Christian boys' school in America, a Catholic, a Protestant, and a Jew were asked a question by the padre. They were told that if they answered correctly, they would get $10 as a prize.

"Who is the greatest man in the world?" asked the padre.

The Catholic boy answered "John F. Kennedy." The padre shook his head.

The Protestant boy answered "Abraham Lincoln." The padre shook his head again.

The Jewish boy answered "Jesus Christ" and was promptly given $10.

The padre was amazed and asked, "How is it that a Jew like you gave the correct answer?"

The boy folded the $10 note carefully, stuck it in his hip pocket, and answered, "I know that the correct answer is Moses, but ten dollars is ten dollars."




mallik maamaa, soofer gaa undhi joke......

moses antey jews god kadhaa? eenaki, benhur ki emayinaa link undhaa?
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The boy folded the $10 note carefully, stuck it in his hip pocket, and answered, "I know that the correct answer is Moses, but ten dollars is ten dollars." >>>

eee DB lo, fans gooda anthey.
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I still wonder why in Hollywood, Jews make most of the calls. Why 'Seinfeld' has all Jews? Is it because they are intelligent or may be they favor their's race? They own some big sports franchises, but the players aint Jewish!! Are they only intelligent and not physically capable? Then how come Pete Sampras and Mike Spitzer are considered god's in tennis/swimming?

What in the hell am i thinking?
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In a Christian boys' school in America, a Catholic, a Protestant, and a Jew were asked a question by the padre. They were told that if they answered correctly, they would get $10 as a prize.

"Who is the greatest man in the world?" asked the padre.

The Catholic boy answered "John F. Kennedy." The padre shook his head.

The Protestant boy answered "Abraham Lincoln." The padre shook his head again.

The Jewish boy answered "Jesus Christ" and was promptly given $10.

The padre was amazed and asked, "How is it that a Jew like you gave the correct answer?"

The boy folded the $10 note carefully, stuck it in his hip pocket, and answered, "I know that the correct answer is Moses, but ten dollars is ten dollars."
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interesting read....
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Interesting article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10 /29/AR2007102902094.html

On a bottom note,

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."

— Menachem Begin - Israeli Prime Minister 1977–1983
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