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Quantummorphed:

Well I meant...that mortagages are very exotic in their own right...



Quantummorphed:

liquidity as of today implies that their futures trades are very active and aren't dealign with long tem investments....




I know a bit abt MBS .. but what does liquidity in Future's trades has to do with credit crunch ..or leveraged positions ..

anyways .. where do you look at Lehmans balance sheets ??


Quantummorphed:

hmm..whats so funny about it...any real number can be quantifiable with in some closure....infact thats the only way to represent some reals...like noncommensurate numbers right??




It does sound funny, when someone comes up with future expected growth rates till 4th decimal ..

There is difference in
"Growth rate of xyz industry would be around 5% for next quarter"

"Growth rate of xyz industry would be around 5.4375% for next quarter"
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Mutual funds meeda konchem info ivvandi investors.. Websites chusa kani concrete idea ravatam ledhu.
Chala modest sum invest chese idea lo unna.. so best funds enti antaru. Thnks
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Jackjill:

"I dont know how can someone come up with Expected Growth rate numbers accurately till 4th decimal" ani .




hmm..whats so funny about it...any real number can be quantifiable with in some closure....infact thats the only way to represent some reals...like noncommensurate numbers right??
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Chiru_fan:

could you suggest what are the stocks to look for?




I'm only trading them these days both on the long side and short side.

I wud pick up POT,APPL and GOOG at these levels.But again my risk appetite might be different from urs.So upto u.
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Jackjill:

Quantummorphed:

its because those are 2 exotic to price to fair value.....

Quantummorphed:

reasonably high liquidity



what do you mean by these two statements ??




Well I meant...that mortagages are very exotic in their own right...like assume a long term insuarance contract...they best longs that we have in the OTC market are may be with a maturity of 8 yrs or so...we are talking about periods mags more than that...so devising a hedge program for those assets is nearly impossible...and its in these spreads that ppl make naked profits...

liquidity as of today implies that their futures trades are very active and aren't dealign with long tem investments....bears death was that owing to liquidity more than anything else in as much as I know
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Tinku mama, could you suggest what are the stocks to look for?
Mera puranaa naam...Idlebrain_fan
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tinkam tamud nee knowlde kasi ki salaam...thatha ninchi TATA vark dummu leptunnav god bless
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Simhapuri_kurrodu:

i made break even and got out one month ago



goodmama....next time dont ask me suggestions:-(
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Chantodu:

say meeda nee forecast edatava..




I don't follow Indian stocks much.But few things to consider

Downside.

1.US and European firms are cutting down on their IT operations to reduce operating expenses.

Upside

1.Strengthening dollar will help them.

2.As part of cost cutting measures,companies are outsouring more.

Look for indications from Infy and Wipro.
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Any idea why MA and V are downhill?
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Elcaminocapastrino:


Elca bro
i made break even and got out one month ago :-)
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Tinkum tamud say meeda nee forecast edatava..ee roju adda lo ettutha anukuntunna
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Rajusk:



ade mama, vadiki unna shares cheppite gunde cheruvu avutundi
last year 250k bonus andulo more than 100k shares kinda iccharu
idi koddiga telivga konni ammesadu recent ga
aina bagane bokka
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Rajusk:

Emaina dukha bharitha gaadhalu unte kakkeyi...digamingagaku



full muniga....I said before I know a ferson who works for lehman bros in mumbai.....general gaa ilantivi mundharey thelusthai.....ee sari seppaley....v pack....kaani no need to worry annaru.lets c
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True_indian:

adi bada kuda ade, monna part of his huge bonus major chunk was shares




Another common mistake is Employees holding their 401K in their own company stock...like Enron employees..

Infact even Citi is now suggesting that everyone should have 55% of their portfolios in Foreign securities ani....way up from the now recommended 30%
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Elcaminocapastrino:




Emaina dukha bharitha gaadhalu unte kakkeyi...digamingagaku
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Tinku:


You are not trying to understand how they work.Different divisions untayi.Some divisions need to work independent of others.Analysts in a firm might be upgrading a stock.And traders in that very firm can be shorting them.




It is called Chinese Wall
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Raju

I'm not into in IB.Most likely will few yrs down the lane.

I trade actively though.
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Chiru_fan:

They might as well buy those stocks "which they upgraded" and be filthy rich....but, it wouldn't happen...




You are not trying to understand how they work.Different divisions untayi.Some divisions need to work independent of others.Analysts in a firm might be upgrading a stock.And traders in that very firm can be shorting them.

Analyst stock konte,how can he give a dispassionate analysis.anduke tv lo analyst disclosure ani vastadi when they are giving analysis.
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Tinku:

No

Chiru_fan




Nenu adigindi..are you into Investment Banking ani ?

Did you say NO to that part? or did you interpret IB as Idle Brain?
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Rajusk:

Lehman Brothers


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Tinku:

Remember when BS collapsed,employees were holding atleast 50% of shares.



adi bada kuda ade, monna part of his huge bonus major chunk was shares
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it will be ok dont worry

basic ga analysts ante kada, they talk crap and may you think it might be correct
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Rajusk:

You into IB ?




No

Chiru_fan

IBs lo different divisions untayi.evari pani vallu cheyyali.




True_indian:

He said there is no imminent threat




Traders ki company balance sheet gurinchi pedda info undadu.just like outsiders.If at all they had info,most BS employyes wud have sold theirshares before the collapse.Remember when BS collapsed,employees were holding atleast 50% of shares.
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I always think that these so called analysts PP galla type loo yeppudu TV reporting yenduku settharu ani? They might as well buy those stocks "which they upgraded" and be filthy rich....but, it wouldn't happen...

vellani nammukoni stocks loo paisalu pedithee mana chethiki BOCCHE miguluthundi...
Mera puranaa naam...Idlebrain_fan
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Chiru_fan:

first Lehmans....kontha mandi others as well...




OK..kaani school lo unnappudu maa Prof.. okadu bhale jokelu vese vaadu ..

"I dont know how can someone come up with Expected Growth rate numbers accurately till 4th decimal" ani .. }
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Tinku:

level 3 assets




Thank you..peru gurthuku raaledu right away..

You into IB ?
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/are you talking abt.. Lehman's analysts .. or wall st analyst's altogether ../

first Lehmans....kontha mandi others as well...
Mera puranaa naam...Idlebrain_fan
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Rajusk:

think they called it some 3rd account or some name that I cannot recollect..




level 3 assets
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Flash - Lehman to pre announce earnings today.May talk abt selling their assets.


Jodhaa:

job market eppudu up avuthundhi?




2nd qrtr of next yr antunnaru
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Quantummorphed:

Adhi raju gaaru there u go...its because those are 2 exotic to price to fair value.....some embedded exotics which mortages are in proper sense are 2 difficult to price...but lehmans strength is it capability to assimilate write downs......

balance sheet bane undandi atleast this morning... in as much as I know....reasonably high liquidity and their key exposures are well hedged..to key delta's




You might know by this time that most of these "exotic assets" are off the Balance sheet..

Ave kada kompalu munchinayi most of the companies ni..

I think they called it some 3rd account or some name that I cannot recollect..

I think now SEC wants that also to be included in the Balance Sheet..but it is not law yet
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Chiru_fan:




are you talking abt.. Lehman's analysts .. or wall st analyst's altogether ..
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did you guys ever saw some of their analysts ratings...it's absoulute bull shit... PP saale gallu yemi vaaguthunnaroo yenduku vaaguthunnaroo vallakee theliyadu...
Mera puranaa naam...Idlebrain_fan
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Tinku:


Tinku, job market eppudu up avuthundhi?
No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better
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Quantummorphed:

its because those are 2 exotic to price to fair value.....



Quantummorphed:

reasonably high liquidity




what do you mean by these two statements ??
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Guys,
my close friends works for Lehman in equity trading, they already laid off 1500
lot of desi guys(folks from IIT Khargpur and Madras Batch), he is also from IIT
most of the equity, deravatives, spreads and trading divisions are run by desis only.

He said there is no imminent threat and have enough assests but you never know
whats the real scoop
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Quantummorphed:

they are in 2 diff leagues altogether...........




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Quantummorphed:

Adhi raju gaaru there u go...its because those are 2 exotic to price to fair value.....some embedded exotics which mortages are in proper sense are 2 difficult to price...but lehmans strength is it capability to assimilate write downs......

balance sheet bane undandi atleast this morning... in as much as I know....reasonably high liquidity and their key exposures are well hedged..to key delta's




Time will show their resilience to sustain...I am still wondering why the Korean bank would back out..if they found inherent strength in the fundamentals...let's wait and see
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Rajusk:

hard-to-value securitized products.




Adhi raju gaaru there u go...its because those are 2 exotic to price to fair value.....some embedded exotics which mortages are in proper sense are 2 difficult to price...but lehmans strength is it capability to assimilate write downs......

balance sheet bane undandi atleast this morning... in as much as I know....reasonably high liquidity and their key exposures are well hedged..to key delta's
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wrote recently that Lehman has more than 2.5 times its entire net worth tied up in complex, hard-to-value securitized products.
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Here you go

http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/02/news/companies/lehman_sloan_ boyd.fortune/index.htm
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Tinku:

Bear collapse ki mundu CEO garu CNBC lo ade sepparu.

Freddie kurrolu kuda well-balanced ane septunnaru.




babu bear ni lehman ni polusthunnara ikkada janalu....sarelendi that shows how informed views these are...they are in 2 diff leagues altogether...........
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Quantummorphed:

No way raju garu lehman is 2 strong in its balance sheet as of now....I wud be faint dead if lehman yields to a run....I dont think so




Their exposure to Sub-prime meeda konni articles vachinayi...that made me think so...
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Quantummorphed:

No way raju garu lehman is 2 strong in its balance sheet as of now....




Bear collapse ki mundu CEO garu CNBC lo ade sepparu.

Freddie kurrolu kuda well-balanced ane septunnaru.

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/Lehman Brothers /

Malli ee VP John gallu...prathee company meeda analysis...."Oil might hit $150 a barrel, Gulf loo oka chepa ivvala yemi thina ledu"... thokka tholu ani, bekar gallu valla company nee sakka gaa soodaledu, inka inkoka companies meeda veela analysis....good that this company M gudisipoothundi....I hate these analysis....I hope I get their jobs, danamma yenni thappulu chesina job poodu..
Mera puranaa naam...Idlebrain_fan
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No way raju garu lehman is 2 strong in its balance sheet as of now....I wud be faint dead if lehman yields to a run....I dont think so
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Rebel:

tokkalo market...epudu rebound auddi..


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tokkalo market...epudu rebound auddi..
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uncle sam vunnaduga..andaru down settunaru....

http://www.cnbc.com/id/25684069
Andhra Pradesh Pallela Vijaya Gaadha

http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/08/stories/2008090856271000.htm
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Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc (LEH - News) shares fell as much as 40 percent to their lowest level in nearly a decade on Tuesday on growing concern that Wall Street's fourth-largest investment bank would be unable to raise needed capital.

Lehman shares were down $3.90 at $10.25 on the New York Stock Exchange after falling as low as $8.50, their lowest level since October 1998, according to Reuters data.

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