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Jackjill
Side Hero Username: Jackjill
Post Number: 3956 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 02:37 pm: |
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Quantummorphed:Well I meant...that mortagages are very exotic in their own right...
Quantummorphed:liquidity as of today implies that their futures trades are very active and aren't dealign with long tem investments....
I know a bit abt MBS .. but what does liquidity in Future's trades has to do with credit crunch ..or leveraged positions .. anyways .. where do you look at Lehmans balance sheets ??
Quantummorphed:hmm..whats so funny about it...any real number can be quantifiable with in some closure....infact thats the only way to represent some reals...like noncommensurate numbers right??
It does sound funny, when someone comes up with future expected growth rates till 4th decimal .. There is difference in "Growth rate of xyz industry would be around 5% for next quarter" "Growth rate of xyz industry would be around 5.4375% for next quarter" |
   
Getafix
Junior Artist Username: Getafix
Post Number: 349 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.242.14.186
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:46 pm: |
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Mutual funds meeda konchem info ivvandi investors.. Websites chusa kani concrete idea ravatam ledhu. Chala modest sum invest chese idea lo unna.. so best funds enti antaru. Thnks |
   
Quantummorphed
Comedian Username: Quantummorphed
Post Number: 1389 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 199.171.86.140
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:44 pm: |
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Jackjill:"I dont know how can someone come up with Expected Growth rate numbers accurately till 4th decimal" ani .
hmm..whats so funny about it...any real number can be quantifiable with in some closure....infact thats the only way to represent some reals...like noncommensurate numbers right?? |
   
Tinku
Junior Artist Username: Tinku
Post Number: 204 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 198.133.105.244
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:43 pm: |
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Chiru_fan: could you suggest what are the stocks to look for?
I'm only trading them these days both on the long side and short side. I wud pick up POT,APPL and GOOG at these levels.But again my risk appetite might be different from urs.So upto u. |
   
Quantummorphed
Comedian Username: Quantummorphed
Post Number: 1388 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 199.171.86.140
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:41 pm: |
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Jackjill: Quantummorphed: its because those are 2 exotic to price to fair value..... Quantummorphed: reasonably high liquidity what do you mean by these two statements ??
Well I meant...that mortagages are very exotic in their own right...like assume a long term insuarance contract...they best longs that we have in the OTC market are may be with a maturity of 8 yrs or so...we are talking about periods mags more than that...so devising a hedge program for those assets is nearly impossible...and its in these spreads that ppl make naked profits... liquidity as of today implies that their futures trades are very active and aren't dealign with long tem investments....bears death was that owing to liquidity more than anything else in as much as I know |
   
Chiru_fan
Comedian Username: Chiru_fan
Post Number: 1129 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 170.22.76.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:39 pm: |
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Tinku mama, could you suggest what are the stocks to look for? Mera puranaa naam...Idlebrain_fan |
   
Chantodu
Side Hero Username: Chantodu
Post Number: 2994 Registered: 07-2007 Posted From: 12.34.246.37
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:36 pm: |
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tinkam tamud nee knowlde kasi ki salaam...thatha ninchi TATA vark dummu leptunnav god bless |
   
Elcaminocapastrino
Side Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino
Post Number: 7846 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.95.150.205
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:34 pm: |
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Simhapuri_kurrodu:i made break even and got out one month ago
goodmama....next time dont ask me suggestions |
   
Tinku
Junior Artist Username: Tinku
Post Number: 203 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 198.133.105.244
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:33 pm: |
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Chantodu: say meeda nee forecast edatava..
I don't follow Indian stocks much.But few things to consider Downside. 1.US and European firms are cutting down on their IT operations to reduce operating expenses. Upside 1.Strengthening dollar will help them. 2.As part of cost cutting measures,companies are outsouring more. Look for indications from Infy and Wipro. |
   
3t3
Junior Artist Username: 3t3
Post Number: 56 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 207.114.255.54
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:27 pm: |
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Any idea why MA and V are downhill? |
   
Simhapuri_kurrodu
Junior Artist Username: Simhapuri_kurrodu
Post Number: 67 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 76.109.147.47
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:26 pm: |
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Elcaminocapastrino:
Elca bro i made break even and got out one month ago  |
   
Chantodu
Side Hero Username: Chantodu
Post Number: 2992 Registered: 07-2007 Posted From: 12.34.246.36
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:26 pm: |
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Tinkum tamud say meeda nee forecast edatava..ee roju adda lo ettutha anukuntunna |
   
True_indian
Comedian Username: True_indian
Post Number: 1163 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 75.181.71.216
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:24 pm: |
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Rajusk:
ade mama, vadiki unna shares cheppite gunde cheruvu avutundi last year 250k bonus andulo more than 100k shares kinda iccharu idi koddiga telivga konni ammesadu recent ga aina bagane bokka |
   
Elcaminocapastrino
Side Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino
Post Number: 7844 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.95.150.205
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:23 pm: |
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Rajusk:Emaina dukha bharitha gaadhalu unte kakkeyi...digamingagaku
full muniga....I said before I know a ferson who works for lehman bros in mumbai.....general gaa ilantivi mundharey thelusthai.....ee sari seppaley....v pack....kaani no need to worry annaru.lets c |
   
Rajusk
Side Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 2802 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:22 pm: |
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True_indian:adi bada kuda ade, monna part of his huge bonus major chunk was shares
Another common mistake is Employees holding their 401K in their own company stock...like Enron employees.. Infact even Citi is now suggesting that everyone should have 55% of their portfolios in Foreign securities ani....way up from the now recommended 30% |
   
Rajusk
Side Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 2801 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:20 pm: |
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Elcaminocapastrino:
Emaina dukha bharitha gaadhalu unte kakkeyi...digamingagaku  |
   
Rajusk
Side Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 2800 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:19 pm: |
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Tinku: You are not trying to understand how they work.Different divisions untayi.Some divisions need to work independent of others.Analysts in a firm might be upgrading a stock.And traders in that very firm can be shorting them.
It is called Chinese Wall |
   
Tinku
Junior Artist Username: Tinku
Post Number: 202 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 198.133.105.244
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:19 pm: |
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Raju I'm not into in IB.Most likely will few yrs down the lane. I trade actively though. |
   
Tinku
Junior Artist Username: Tinku
Post Number: 201 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 198.133.105.244
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:18 pm: |
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Chiru_fan:They might as well buy those stocks "which they upgraded" and be filthy rich....but, it wouldn't happen...
You are not trying to understand how they work.Different divisions untayi.Some divisions need to work independent of others.Analysts in a firm might be upgrading a stock.And traders in that very firm can be shorting them. Analyst stock konte,how can he give a dispassionate analysis.anduke tv lo analyst disclosure ani vastadi when they are giving analysis. |
   
Rajusk
Side Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 2799 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:18 pm: |
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Tinku:No Chiru_fan
Nenu adigindi..are you into Investment Banking ani ? Did you say NO to that part? or did you interpret IB as Idle Brain? |
   
Elcaminocapastrino
Side Hero Username: Elcaminocapastrino
Post Number: 7843 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 204.95.150.205
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:15 pm: |
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Rajusk:Lehman Brothers
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True_indian
Comedian Username: True_indian
Post Number: 1162 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 75.181.71.216
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:14 pm: |
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Tinku:Remember when BS collapsed,employees were holding atleast 50% of shares.
adi bada kuda ade, monna part of his huge bonus major chunk was shares |
   
True_indian
Comedian Username: True_indian
Post Number: 1161 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 75.181.71.216
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:14 pm: |
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it will be ok dont worry basic ga analysts ante kada, they talk crap and may you think it might be correct |
   
Tinku
Junior Artist Username: Tinku
Post Number: 200 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 198.133.105.244
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:14 pm: |
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Rajusk:You into IB ?
No Chiru_fan IBs lo different divisions untayi.evari pani vallu cheyyali.
True_indian:He said there is no imminent threat
Traders ki company balance sheet gurinchi pedda info undadu.just like outsiders.If at all they had info,most BS employyes wud have sold theirshares before the collapse.Remember when BS collapsed,employees were holding atleast 50% of shares. |
   
Chiru_fan
Comedian Username: Chiru_fan
Post Number: 1127 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 170.22.76.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:13 pm: |
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I always think that these so called analysts PP galla type loo yeppudu TV reporting yenduku settharu ani? They might as well buy those stocks "which they upgraded" and be filthy rich....but, it wouldn't happen... vellani nammukoni stocks loo paisalu pedithee mana chethiki BOCCHE miguluthundi... Mera puranaa naam...Idlebrain_fan |
   
Jackjill
Side Hero Username: Jackjill
Post Number: 3953 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:09 pm: |
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Chiru_fan:first Lehmans....kontha mandi others as well...
OK..kaani school lo unnappudu maa Prof.. okadu bhale jokelu vese vaadu .. "I dont know how can someone come up with Expected Growth rate numbers accurately till 4th decimal" ani .. } |
   
Rajusk
Side Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 2795 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:07 pm: |
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Tinku:level 3 assets
Thank you..peru gurthuku raaledu right away.. You into IB ? |
   
Chiru_fan
Comedian Username: Chiru_fan
Post Number: 1126 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 170.22.76.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:06 pm: |
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/are you talking abt.. Lehman's analysts .. or wall st analyst's altogether ../ first Lehmans....kontha mandi others as well... Mera puranaa naam...Idlebrain_fan |
   
Tinku
Junior Artist Username: Tinku
Post Number: 199 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 198.133.105.244
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:06 pm: |
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Rajusk: think they called it some 3rd account or some name that I cannot recollect..
level 3 assets |
   
Tinku
Junior Artist Username: Tinku
Post Number: 198 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 198.133.105.244
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:05 pm: |
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Flash - Lehman to pre announce earnings today.May talk abt selling their assets.
Jodhaa:job market eppudu up avuthundhi?
2nd qrtr of next yr antunnaru |
   
Rajusk
Side Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 2794 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:04 pm: |
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Quantummorphed:Adhi raju gaaru there u go...its because those are 2 exotic to price to fair value.....some embedded exotics which mortages are in proper sense are 2 difficult to price...but lehmans strength is it capability to assimilate write downs...... balance sheet bane undandi atleast this morning... in as much as I know....reasonably high liquidity and their key exposures are well hedged..to key delta's
You might know by this time that most of these "exotic assets" are off the Balance sheet.. Ave kada kompalu munchinayi most of the companies ni.. I think they called it some 3rd account or some name that I cannot recollect.. I think now SEC wants that also to be included in the Balance Sheet..but it is not law yet |
   
Jackjill
Side Hero Username: Jackjill
Post Number: 3952 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:03 pm: |
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Chiru_fan:
are you talking abt.. Lehman's analysts .. or wall st analyst's altogether .. |
   
Chiru_fan
Comedian Username: Chiru_fan
Post Number: 1125 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 170.22.76.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:02 pm: |
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did you guys ever saw some of their analysts ratings...it's absoulute bull shit... PP saale gallu yemi vaaguthunnaroo yenduku vaaguthunnaroo vallakee theliyadu... Mera puranaa naam...Idlebrain_fan |
   
Jodhaa
Side Hero Username: Jodhaa
Post Number: 5652 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 208.11.223.20
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:01 pm: |
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Tinku:
Tinku, job market eppudu up avuthundhi? No one can make you feel inferior without your permission, remember they are no better |
   
Jackjill
Side Hero Username: Jackjill
Post Number: 3951 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 206.243.134.73
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 01:00 pm: |
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Quantummorphed:its because those are 2 exotic to price to fair value.....
Quantummorphed:reasonably high liquidity
what do you mean by these two statements ?? |
   
True_indian
Comedian Username: True_indian
Post Number: 1160 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 75.181.71.216
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 12:57 pm: |
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Guys, my close friends works for Lehman in equity trading, they already laid off 1500 lot of desi guys(folks from IIT Khargpur and Madras Batch), he is also from IIT most of the equity, deravatives, spreads and trading divisions are run by desis only. He said there is no imminent threat and have enough assests but you never know whats the real scoop |
   
Tinku
Junior Artist Username: Tinku
Post Number: 197 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 198.133.105.244
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 12:57 pm: |
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Quantummorphed:they are in 2 diff leagues altogether...........
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Rajusk
Side Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 2792 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 12:54 pm: |
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Quantummorphed:Adhi raju gaaru there u go...its because those are 2 exotic to price to fair value.....some embedded exotics which mortages are in proper sense are 2 difficult to price...but lehmans strength is it capability to assimilate write downs...... balance sheet bane undandi atleast this morning... in as much as I know....reasonably high liquidity and their key exposures are well hedged..to key delta's
Time will show their resilience to sustain...I am still wondering why the Korean bank would back out..if they found inherent strength in the fundamentals...let's wait and see |
   
Quantummorphed
Comedian Username: Quantummorphed
Post Number: 1386 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 199.171.86.140
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 12:52 pm: |
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Rajusk:hard-to-value securitized products.
Adhi raju gaaru there u go...its because those are 2 exotic to price to fair value.....some embedded exotics which mortages are in proper sense are 2 difficult to price...but lehmans strength is it capability to assimilate write downs...... balance sheet bane undandi atleast this morning... in as much as I know....reasonably high liquidity and their key exposures are well hedged..to key delta's |
   
Rajusk
Side Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 2791 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 12:48 pm: |
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Quantummorphed:
wrote recently that Lehman has more than 2.5 times its entire net worth tied up in complex, hard-to-value securitized products. |
   
Rajusk
Side Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 2790 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 12:47 pm: |
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Quantummorphed:
Here you go http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/02/news/companies/lehman_sloan_ boyd.fortune/index.htm |
   
Quantummorphed
Comedian Username: Quantummorphed
Post Number: 1385 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 199.171.86.140
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 12:46 pm: |
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Tinku:Bear collapse ki mundu CEO garu CNBC lo ade sepparu. Freddie kurrolu kuda well-balanced ane septunnaru.
babu bear ni lehman ni polusthunnara ikkada janalu....sarelendi that shows how informed views these are...they are in 2 diff leagues altogether........... |
   
Rajusk
Side Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 2789 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 12:43 pm: |
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Quantummorphed:No way raju garu lehman is 2 strong in its balance sheet as of now....I wud be faint dead if lehman yields to a run....I dont think so
Their exposure to Sub-prime meeda konni articles vachinayi...that made me think so... |
   
Tinku
Junior Artist Username: Tinku
Post Number: 196 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 198.133.105.244
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 12:42 pm: |
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Quantummorphed:No way raju garu lehman is 2 strong in its balance sheet as of now....
Bear collapse ki mundu CEO garu CNBC lo ade sepparu. Freddie kurrolu kuda well-balanced ane septunnaru.
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Chiru_fan
Comedian Username: Chiru_fan
Post Number: 1124 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 170.22.76.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 12:36 pm: |
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/Lehman Brothers / Malli ee VP John gallu...prathee company meeda analysis...."Oil might hit $150 a barrel, Gulf loo oka chepa ivvala yemi thina ledu"... thokka tholu ani, bekar gallu valla company nee sakka gaa soodaledu, inka inkoka companies meeda veela analysis....good that this company M gudisipoothundi....I hate these analysis....I hope I get their jobs, danamma yenni thappulu chesina job poodu.. Mera puranaa naam...Idlebrain_fan |
   
Quantummorphed
Comedian Username: Quantummorphed
Post Number: 1384 Registered: 06-2008 Posted From: 199.171.86.140
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 12:35 pm: |
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No way raju garu lehman is 2 strong in its balance sheet as of now....I wud be faint dead if lehman yields to a run....I dont think so |
   
Tinku
Junior Artist Username: Tinku
Post Number: 195 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 198.133.105.244
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 12:32 pm: |
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Rebel:tokkalo market...epudu rebound auddi..
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Rebel
Side Hero Username: Rebel
Post Number: 2453 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 151.151.73.171
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 12:11 pm: |
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tokkalo market...epudu rebound auddi.. |
   
Guriginja
Side Hero Username: Guriginja
Post Number: 3181 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 97.81.110.190
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 12:07 pm: |
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uncle sam vunnaduga..andaru down settunaru.... http://www.cnbc.com/id/25684069 Andhra Pradesh Pallela Vijaya Gaadha http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/08/stories/2008090856271000.htm |
   
Rajusk
Side Hero Username: Rajusk
Post Number: 2786 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 66.93.90.250
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 - 12:02 pm: |
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Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc (LEH - News) shares fell as much as 40 percent to their lowest level in nearly a decade on Tuesday on growing concern that Wall Street's fourth-largest investment bank would be unable to raise needed capital. Lehman shares were down $3.90 at $10.25 on the New York Stock Exchange after falling as low as $8.50, their lowest level since October 1998, according to Reuters data. |