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Okatelugodu
Junior Artist
Username: Okatelugodu
Post Number: 999
Registered: 02-2008
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Quantummorphed:I work as a quant
Also, now I know you are a rich guy  |
Okatelugodu
Junior Artist
Username: Okatelugodu
Post Number: 998
Registered: 02-2008
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Quantummorphed: I did PhD in App math from Columbia..I work as a quant in an investment bank at chicago. that indian society imposes measuring everything in money
Wow... My guess was close enough then.., since I was assuming you must be into reaseach or a mathematician. I work for an investment bank too in NY and have had to interact with quants in the past, but all I did was use the models/libraries they develop |
Anand_n
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Username: Anand_n
Post Number: 331
Registered: 02-2008
Posted From: 209.183.51.249
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hathavidhi  nihil and avesta ...
Chala mandi miss avutunnaru Nihil ni - will let him know
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
ik aise gagan ke tale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWUOI_oxeOc&feature=related
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Goonda
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Username: Goonda
Post Number: 10163
Registered: 02-2007
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Quantummorphed:If nihil is the one who spoke abt some crap husseini brahmins crap
idhi avesta, not nihil is just like you an intellectual |
Okatelugodu
Junior Artist
Username: Okatelugodu
Post Number: 997
Registered: 02-2008
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Quantummorphed:If nihil is the one who spoke abt some crap husseini brahmins crap
No. That's a different guy. Nihil, as I know from his posts, posts in few selective threads and his posts are very informative. |
Quantummorphed
Junior Artist
Username: Quantummorphed
Post Number: 188
Registered: 06-2008
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Okatelugodu:BTW are you into research?
Well not exactly into that wonderful thing..what I do is pseudo research...I hate it but I have too to match up to the bloody standards of success that indian society imposes measuring everything in money. I did PhD in App math from Columbia..I work as a quant in an investment bank at chicago |
Quantummorphed
Junior Artist
Username: Quantummorphed
Post Number: 187
Registered: 06-2008
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Unorthodox:
Well, I dont know who Nihil is...and If I were...I would much rather take that name...If nihil is the one who spoke abt some crap husseini brahmins crap...I dont take even the remotest....interest in religion..... |
Goonda
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Username: Goonda
Post Number: 10158
Registered: 02-2007
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Okatelugodu:BTW are you into research?
edo PHD chestunnadu bedar |
Anand_n
Junior Artist
Username: Anand_n
Post Number: 330
Registered: 02-2008
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JKM,
maybe later in the afternoon ippudu aa thread chadivi respond ayye time ledu
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
ik aise gagan ke tale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWUOI_oxeOc&feature=related
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Okatelugodu
Junior Artist
Username: Okatelugodu
Post Number: 990
Registered: 02-2008
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Quantummorphed:a poisson process
Probability and statistics lo random events ni model cheyyataniki vaadedi kadha idi? Vaammoo..casual discussion lo deenini techi eppudo vinnadi/chadivindi gurtu chesav bedaru. BTW are you into research? |
Jkm
Junior Artist
Username: Jkm
Post Number: 556
Registered: 02-2008
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Anand, unortho
indiramma emergency thread lo konni posts veyyandi
Anger is a condition in which the tongue works faster than the mind. |
Anand_n
Junior Artist
Username: Anand_n
Post Number: 329
Registered: 02-2008
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Unortho,
no he's not.But the style reminded me of Nihil too
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
ik aise gagan ke tale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWUOI_oxeOc&feature=related
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Unorthodox
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Username: Unorthodox
Post Number: 1080
Registered: 02-2008
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Quantummorphed:
Are you nihil by any chance??
Cinema for the larger audiences can not be poetic--Andrei Tarkovysky |
Anand_n
Junior Artist
Username: Anand_n
Post Number: 327
Registered: 02-2008
Posted From: 209.183.51.15
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Quantum,
No hard feelings Doling out constructive feedback is an occupational hazard - comes from being responsible for career development of team members
ikkada konnallanunchi nato interact ayina vallaki alavatu ayipoyindi
I told you my perception of the tone of your posts and asked you for input on mine
Peace out
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
ik aise gagan ke tale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWUOI_oxeOc&feature=related
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Quantummorphed
Junior Artist
Username: Quantummorphed
Post Number: 181
Registered: 06-2008
Posted From: 24.148.3.41
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read it as the former |
Quantummorphed
Junior Artist
Username: Quantummorphed
Post Number: 180
Registered: 06-2008
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Anand_n:in your posts you have made a bunch of assumptions about me
This is bound to happen when communicating over a forum with no first hand acquaintance with the opposite party...
U quoted a wrong indv ...Irving wallace along the lines of science...Irving wallace is a pseudo intellectual par excellence. I read the preface of the book in which it is mentioned as an attempt to write a novel....about science...sanity where art thou!!!!!!!!!!
Snobbish....again subjective...I was just replying only to your previous posts with no reference to earlier ones.....My mind acts as a poisson process when in a discussion...ur last stance is your best stance....
I never spoke belittlingly about any body's passion...
"very true - except an artist chases his version of the truth a researcher his/hers..."
The latter is called fiction...coz u dont prove its verity...science doesnt care if einstein says the world is relativistic....he had to back his claims by an experiment and re establish by several such before people accepted it as natures course of functioning.. |
Anand_n
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Username: Anand_n
Post Number: 326
Registered: 02-2008
Posted From: 67.10.130.102
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Quantum,
I apologise if any of my statements came across as being disrespectful to the scientific research community ...that was not the intent...
Do me a favor, read thru my posts objectively and help me understand what exactly made you infer that ... so I can be more careful in the future ...
If it was this comment...
/*Your posts exemplify the academia Wallace described in The Prize where the world begins and ends with Ph.Ds and Nobel Prizes...and everything else is inconsequential...*/
the emphasis was on the last part - I should have probably put that in bold upfrontTo my mind, focus and dedication to your chosen field is passion, thinking everything else in the world is below that is snobbery ...
You made a statement about Truth - very true - except an artist chases his version of the truth a researcher his/hers...
One caution from a pedestrian non-research mind ...you are in research and the need to distinguish between fact and assumption is critical in your field ...in your posts you have made a bunch of assumptions about me .. from my lack of knowledge about JEE to whether I have seen a Beautiful mind...Some may be true, some not...Be wary of doing that in your work
Again this is not criticism , please take it in the spirit it is meant ...
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
ik aise gagan ke tale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWUOI_oxeOc&feature=related
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Quantummorphed
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Username: Quantummorphed
Post Number: 179
Registered: 06-2008
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Anand_n:gain that a good attitude , hardwork and motivation is more important for success than IQ
Again a very adhoc and a subjective generalization.......it is written all over that statement begging to be seen...................WHAT SORT OF PROJECTS AM I
Project management differs vastly in different contexts.....there isn't an one stop methodology which describes that given a set of people of type A....do this and it will ensure an investment result of y% |
Quantummorphed
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Username: Quantummorphed
Post Number: 178
Registered: 06-2008
Posted From: 199.171.86.140
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Anand_n:Your posts exemplify the academia Wallace described in The Prize where the world begins and ends with Ph.Ds and Nobel Prizes...and everything else is inconsequential...
It is exactly why they are called hard sciences...coz they seek truth...pure and unadulterated...they don't bank on vocabulary and exposition.....all they care is truth ...whether u can claim it or not.....and pursuit of truth is harder than writing a novel by some pseudo intellectual.....
To understand the torment of a mathematician , try watching the movie like truth or the beautiful mind...that is sort of obsession it takes to invent something like Qmechanics or a computer...... |
Quantummorphed
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Username: Quantummorphed
Post Number: 177
Registered: 06-2008
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I much rather would read a guy's failed attempt at proving that the world is flat than some one like irving wallace...who can only comment on a tradition of which he is not even a part of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Quantummorphed
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Username: Quantummorphed
Post Number: 176
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Anand_n:Your posts exemplify the academia Wallace described in The Prize where the world begins and ends with Ph.Ds and Nobel Prizes...and everything else is inconsequential...
Well it takes an irving wallace...to quote on people he doesnt even understand and arst apart not even a part of...I come from a school of thought where intellectual rigor is valued than anything else and tremendous respect for original work precedes everything.....
With due respect....irving wallace has no credentials to talk abt science in general leaving apart physicists or mathematicians coz it takes a life time of aspiration and creativity to be one and one can't just run roughshod over centuries of reverence...towards these fields....
It is for a reason...they are revered....look what they have enabled u to do....to express ur opinion to the farthest corner of the globe by just using the six degrees of seperation, Strongly connected graphs and WWW....above all Computer....which a mathematician.....gave u.....I think it is suffice to back my claims... |
Anand_n
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Post Number: 324
Registered: 02-2008
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Quantum,
Your posts exemplify the academia Wallace described in The Prize where the world begins and ends with Ph.Ds and Nobel Prizes...and everything else is inconsequential...
Well, guess what that is less than a percent of the world ...The rest of the population survives and runs very well without MIT admissions
Turning everyone into MIT candidates/Nobel Prize winners is not the goal of providing education to the masses- equipping people for a variety of careers is
And to your comment about intelligent guys Vs rankers - merit means more than IQ,it is a package of good work ethic, attitude and willingness to go the extra mile.I manage projects and people - and it is brought home to me again and again that a good attitude , hardwork and motivation is more important for success than IQ
Zulu,
/**We actually have a scarcity of Govt schools.
There is no alternative to reservations in India yet.Only thing we can do is to streamline the process.like
Eliminating the creamy layer
Restrictions like..Reservations can be used only once..either to get to school or job..etc..**/
True - we need more govt. schools - and we need to eliminate creamy layer- the problem is how do we do that
Providing guaranteed admissions for the low income group schools was my suggestion for getting rid of the creamy layer problem across all castes
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
ik aise gagan ke tale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWUOI_oxeOc&feature=related
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Yahoo
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Registered: 04-2008
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Bicchapathi:
A female mathematician from India has been presented with the Ramanujan Prize, which honours young maths researchers from developing countries .
Ramdorai Sujatha, from the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research in Mumbai, picked up up the award at a ceremony in Trieste, Italy.
It is to be awarded annually to a mathematician under 45 from a developing country.
"In the last few years there have been a flurry of various prizes instituted for mathematical research, but none that was addressed to support mathematics in developing nations," said Professor Sujatha.
"It is an important recognition and serves well to integrate mathematics globally. It will certainly inspire working mathematicians in the developing nations."
She said that women in developing countries could face career obstacles, but that she had encountered none herself.
She was presented with the prize by Professor Lennart Carleson in a ceremony at the Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics (ICTP) in Trieste, Italy.
The Ramanujan prize, meanwhile, was established by the ICTP as part of its mandate to strengthen science in developing countries.
"Scientific development is part of the overall development and the increased interconnectedness of the world today implies that it is dangerous for all of us to leave any part of it too far behind," said KR Sreenivasan, the ICTP's director.
Bichhapathi babai, did you get any signal with highlighted words. |
Quantummorphed
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Post Number: 175
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I am not refuting is what I meant in the previous post...typo |
Quantummorphed
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Username: Quantummorphed
Post Number: 174
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Bicchapathi:0 is introduced by indian. Can you think of maths without 0.
You are always assuming that Indian students cannot beat Us students
I think u completely failed in following the disc. The point is not who is better.. or who can surpass whom....The point is which system is more geared towards better results.....I am sure any human being given "a chance" can be as good as any one else ...by tautology.......
and the maths prize that u have posted doesn't serve the purpose...it is ramanujan prize that is set up by an indian institute...it is no where near a fields medal or a nobel in its prestige....
I am refuting zero invention...etc....I don't rely on history....what u have now is what matters.......U have misintrepreted and misread the line of disco here...again...its not who is better....whch system is geared towards better results...and blindly believing that you are better in science...is the first step to downfall..... |
Bicchapathi
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Supernag.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6194731.stm
You might change your views after reading above information. |
Elcaminocapastrino
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Bicchapathi:I say they can beat if they are provided same opportunities.
yupp...compare the educational systems but not the students |
Bicchapathi
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Quantummorphed:
0 is introduced by indian. Can you think of maths without 0.
You are always assuming that Indian students cannot beat Us students. I say they can beat if they are provided same opportunities. The difference is only the industry what you have right after your graduation. Opportunites right after your graduation. |
Supernag
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Bicchapathi:Mutyal raju is another example. I have seen many people like that. You are always thinking that IIM,IIT students should do like what MIT yale students are doing. They are totally two different business worlds. It is easy to setup company in usa but in india it is like bagiradha prayathnam.
I agree with you..But ain't there B-school grads venture capitalists to invest in Indian market these days who can set up start up companies...???? why do you think its such a herculean task for these grads....just because they lack confidence seeing the Indian fluctuating economy or because of competetion??..I still dont get what do you mean by bagiradha prayathnam |
Quantummorphed
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Username: Quantummorphed
Post Number: 173
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Quantummorphed:They can be much better successful people than this usa graduates
Chaala tappu ee statement u dont even have a data set to back ur claim....india students are not any better than american students at top places.....just look around.......the best math researchers re western.... |
Elcaminocapastrino
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Quantummorphed:where when how..................
whe i say they pull it I mean in the software....we are good in implementing....not in inventing |
Quantummorphed
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Quantummorphed:its like a foot ball team....say germany
Only the germans fi tthis description.....ha ha ha...
Jokes aprt....all the modern day math and physics is the brain child of the german style of doing math and physics |
Bicchapathi
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Supernag:
Supernag. You are in misconception . Your generalizing all students. Most of andhra students might like what you are thinking. I can give you n number of examples who setuped companies in Chenai and bombay after their IIM. Do not just think and Andhra guy.
Mutyal raju is another example. I have seen many people like that. You are always thinking that IIM,IIT students should do like what MIT yale students are doing. They are totally two different business worlds. It is easy to setup company in usa but in india it is like bagiradha prayathnam.
Many students might be going the path what is available after their degrees in iit. But they are not anything less than MIT or any top university in usa. If you give them the same industry like USA financial or Business industry, They can be much better successful people than this usa graduates. |
Quantummorphed
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Elcaminocapastrino:but they still pull it off...
where when how.................. |
Elcaminocapastrino
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Quantummorphed:I second u but there seems to be some false sense of security in india that some how we are super strong in math and science.....which is utterly wrong..in fact we are not even in the leaugue of being taken seriously going by the out put grade A scientists and scientific literature.....
we aint super strong in math and science....but we have large chunk of people who are above avg in these fileds....
its like a foot ball team....say germany....there are no zidanes or maradonas or ronaldos....but they still pull it off.... |
Quantummorphed
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Bicchapathi:Do not you think IIT is producing Thinkers. You might of heard n number of cases where many Tamil IIT candidated went back to their place brought their small business to the top place. There was program on Indian IIT in CNN recently in which they explained more standards of IIT by comparing MIT. Even there was a statement on ISB saying it is reaching highest standards.
People who do well in bussiness are not termed thinkers in any lit....they are called visionaries....coz they could sense an opportunity...
Science is way tougher pursuit something which takes a lot of inspiration and creativity....see I work for an investment bank....in the Quant group......people with MBA's dont even sit with us and are despised heavily...coz all they do is talk....put words together...they cant solve na equation...build a mathematical financial model....or propose an insight into a programming hurdle.....all they do is wear ties and suits.....an over kill of materialism |
Quantummorphed
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Elcaminocapastrino:only IQ or knowledge wont be sufficient for growth of an individual...u also need a progressive environment and also issues that constantly challenge u.
Its the latter in which US scores over India.
There was a competition on which country has the best prgramming brains....
U know the winner was USA...The reason is the environment and the accessibility to latest technology and theories.
It has nothing to do with the kids being more bright oo less bright....its the grooming
I second u but there seems to be some false sense of security in india that some how we are super strong in math and science.....which is utterly wrong..in fact we are not even in the leaugue of being taken seriously going by the out put grade A scientists and scientific literature..... |
Supernag
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Here is a small thing I wanna add...
If you did your education in aa IIM school in India, why cant they set up their own start up companies and outpacing the rest of the world. Why do they wait for calls from a top notch companies like Black stone investment group and some other big shot companies.just give me this answer.. |
Elcaminocapastrino
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only IQ or knowledge wont be sufficient for growth of an individual...u also need a progressive environment and also issues that constantly challenge u.
Its the latter in which US scores over India.
There was a competition on which country has the best prgramming brains....
U know the winner was USA...The reason is the environment and the accessibility to latest technology and theories.
It has nothing to do with the kids being more bright oo less bright....its the grooming |
Supernag
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Elcaminocapastrino:
can u tell me how do they rate students???
Bicchapathi:Tier1 of us universities with indian top universities then indian universities would faar ahead. IIT,REC,IIM,IBS are one of the top tier. Can compare with these universities with any of usa. People who get indian grading in this universites would not be less then a+ in usa.
If you are comparing Osmania with USA tier then you see the difference. Compare osmanin with some Texas or NC university , still osamania would ahead of them.
May be you are comparing their ranks in their respective countries. Obviously IIT's,IIM's,REC's have a good ranking in India and MIT,harvard,Cornell have better ranking in USA. But the fact is you are comparing apples to oranges...
Inda may have better B-schools like IIM...but they can't produce people like Anil Ambani or Mukesh Ambani. Even though they are Indians they did their schooling @ Kellog school of business in USA rather than IIM....since US schools tend to be more creative or innovative mindset oriented rather than subject oriented as like in India.
I bet you find a school like Kellog in India maintaining their education standards |
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Quantummorphed:
Do not you think IIT is producing Thinkers. You might of heard n number of cases where many Tamil IIT candidated went back to their place brought their small business to the top place. There was program on Indian IIT in CNN recently in which they explained more standards of IIT by comparing MIT. Even there was a statement on ISB saying it is reaching highest standards. |
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Quantummorphed:Japanese math standards are very high..
Kumon ani japanese curriculum , kind of tutions, very popular in usa..
maa area lo desi lu, tellollu baaga velthaaru
http://www.kumon.com/about/default.asp?language=USA |
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Bicchapathi:IIT,REC,IIM,IBS are one of the top tier. Can compare with these universities with any of usa. People who get indian grading in this universites would not be less then a+ in usa
Thats not right!!!!!!!!
Are u kidding !!!!!!!!!!! dont even try to compare an REC or IIT to cambridge and MIT or a berk...........the standards are totally astronomical..they produce thinkers......they produce noble leaurettes and fields medalists........can u please show me a scientist in India in the last 10 years..(graduated in the last 10) that is considered an authority in Math and physics..........??? |
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Supernag:
Supernag. If you are comparing Tier1 of us universities with indian top universities then indian universities would faar ahead. IIT,REC,IIM,IBS are one of the top tier. Can compare with these universities with any of usa. People who get indian grading in this universites would not be less then a+ in usa.
If you are comparing Osmania with USA tier then you see the difference. Compare osmanin with some Texas or NC university , still osamania would ahead of them. |
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Supernag:
Japanese kids are smart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had the good fortune of working with a guy called Koji Ouchi...and he was downright brilliant......loves the concept of makefiles...hated.....IDE's and yet wrote code that was so freaking efficient....A comp sci wizard...and he told me that he graduated with 70% in all his UG classes...and he indeed said that if you top the class at his univ (kyoto) in math...u are on ur road to stardom |
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Grading system in japan goes like this
A (90-100%)
B (70-<90%)
C (60-<70%)
F (0-<60%) |
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Supernag:Even if you don't understand anything in any subject, you automatically pass to the next grade.
Except this everything is same with ECTS(European Credit Transfer System) grades.The practical project comes 50% of the course and will be containe 1 or 2 retakes in the same year.ECTS will be applicable for both gradute ,undergraduet and Post graduate studies. |
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Elcaminocapastrino:
can u tell me how do they rate students???
The end of the year exams accounted for 50 to 80% of the total.
To pass to the next year, students (from age 6) must imperatively score more than 50% in every subject. If they don't, they are given another chance at the end of the summer holiday, and if they fail again they must do the same grade again - which means they lose one year of their life. Apparently, nobody fails in Japan. Even if you don't understand anything in any subject, you automatically pass to the next grade. |
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Bicchapathi:babai.. poddatinunchi ni mail gurinchi waiting babai..adi na jeevitham babai..
sorry babai....i didnt get any call from him....by tommorow u will definitely get it... |
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Elcaminocapastrino:
Elcam...japanese and south korean kids are the best at math and physics along with singaporeans.....on an average..there is no dbt abt it....infact, japanese univs are really good....U tokyo and kyoto are as good as any univ in the west.....Japanese math standards are very high....Chinese too....Tsinghua and USTC are very very selective...... |
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Bicchapathi:Suprnag beta...
Have you ever evaluated your indian grading system to american grading system?
Even you have second class mark you would get B+ gading in USA.
I agree with you to some extent but in most of the cases the schools have a threshold GPA limit where any bright and intelligent guy cant get more than 3.0. Same thing happens with the Cornell University graduates...They work their ass off to get a 'summ ••• laude' but finally end up @ 3.0.
you can compare apples with oranges(Indian education to US education) |
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Elcaminocapastrino:
babai.. poddatinunchi ni mail gurinchi waiting babai..adi na jeevitham babai.. |
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Supernag:Japanese education has got better grading measures
can u tell me how do they rate students??? |
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Elcaminocapastrino:babai good point....I agree it should be more interactive .....but I didnt find much difference between american grading system an indians....
Yeah I agree, to some extent about American grading system.But the fact is they focus more on the final project than the stereotypical written exams.
Coming to education,Math is given least importance in American education than science and arts.The students or kids develop critical thinking but they lack analytical.
Japanese education has got better grading measures and their analytical skills are simply the best. but the language barrier still haunts them to compete with the rest of the world. |
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Zulu:Eliminating the creamy layer
Restrictions like..Reservations can be used only once..either to get to school or job..etc..
I am with you. reservations can be used only once. lekapothe SC collector koduku malli collector avuthadu. no reservation for those who can afford expensive private convent school education.
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Bicchapathi:Even you have second class mark you would get B+ gading in USA.
Depends largely on school where u attended....there are places whre getting a 3.5 is a super acheivement in UG....dartmouth, swarthmore and Duke are classic cases...they belong to the A- rung in UG education ( not in prestige here but as perceived outside) |
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Supernag:
Suprnag beta...
Have you ever evaluated your indian grading system to american grading system?
Even you have second class mark you would get B+ gading in USA. |
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Supernag:First thing is Indian grading system sucks...The grading system doesnt seem to take intelligence or your analytical skills into measure but just some bs answers written on a piece of paper which doesnt pay peanuts in the future...
babai good point....I agree it should be more interactive .....but I didnt find much difference between american grading system an indians.... |
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Zulu:Nee sollu poo vagudu thaagginchu.. dont get personal with me. I am all game for an argument.
wat the hell...u made fun of my points I made fun of urs...if ur so sensitive u shouldnt start it....LOL |
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Quantummorphed:.the places where u study matters a lot in India..
First thing is Indian grading system sucks...The grading system doesnt seem to take intelligence or your analytical skills into measure but just some bs answers written on a piece of paper which doesnt pay peanuts in the future... |
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Zulu:Restrictions like..Reservations can be used only once..either to get to school or job..etc
This is sensible...any one who uses a privilege once....shud never use it again..in case of a backward caste (so called) and there shud always be a recervation in terms of economic earnings...proviso.......they cross the threshold....the exam cut offs etc are not waived....u are graded relative to the topper |
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Anand_n:Why wouldn't they be... the top 20 % in the class are the toppers in their peer group.
This again....I said it would if u create a system that definitely produces an order statistic amongst students.......people who study in any college know it that their topper is not necessarily the most intelligent in their class....I know a guy who studied at CBIT...got a 55% in his Btech....yet graduated with a PhD in Elec from U maryland in 3 years....My elder brother's friend...he just plainly hated the system in india...of mugging answers......
Then again....there was my senior....gavara pradeep...at IITM...in mech....graduated at the top of his class....got his PhD from Caltech in 4 years and is already an asst prof at U michigan........the places where u study matters a lot in India.....try apping for MIT for a PhD if u are topper in a college which is quite reputed in AP and then try apping to MIT with a 8.5 in elec at an IIT.....U will be surprised to know...ur app wudnt even be looked at in the former case.... |
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Elcaminocapastrino:well neeku theleekundaney sollu maatalu maatladithu u touched a correct point there....ideally
Nee sollu poo vagudu thaagginchu.. dont get personal with me. I am all game for an argument.
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Anand_n:Zulu,
I agree people will find ways to game the system , but getting more students into the pub education system raises standards across.
You are getting confused between Indian and American public education system.No is no dearth of students in Govt schools. We actually have a scarcity of Govt schools.
There is no alternative to reservations in India yet.Only thing we can do is to streamline the process.like
Eliminating the creamy layer
Restrictions like..Reservations can be used only once..either to get to school or job..etc..
Think Global,Act Local |
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Anand_n:MIT and Berkeley are not the world - UT Austin takes the top 10 % of all schools if they choose to go there ...And it was the directors of UT austin who spoke on a TV interview - when asked how does a topper with 3.5 GPA perform Vs a 3.9 gpa topper - and the answer resoundingly was some take 6 months some 1 year but they all catch up :-)
U are quoting an american schooling system to support a statement in the context of india.........well MIT and berkeley are not the world......the problem is that 90% of the world's noble laurettes are from Chicago,Columbia(this is where I went to school), MIT, Berkeley and Harvard.....UT asutin is a good school..defly...but again....U seem to have a bent to pick one data point and argue on its back.....I dont know if UT austin's director said it...I take ur wrd on that.....
"when asked how does a topper with 3.5 GPA perform Vs a 3.9 gpa topper - and the answer resoundingly was some take 6 months some 1 year but they all catch up :-) "
This cant be anymore farther from the truth....None of the graduating Phd's at places like chicago..harvard are given an admit (atleast in math) on the back of their high school GPA's.......infact what they look for is whether they cracked an olympiad or not..some kids even write a research proposal!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Wasn't the IITM director complaining that all the coaching institutes are sending mechanised , prepped people to IITs and they are not getting the raw intelligence that they need for the institutes to make a difference..
Its time to recognize that raw intelligence is not a privilege of the wealthy :-)"
true to a certain extent...but still try cracking a JEE paper and then try to associate this indifference to ur stance.....it is for a reason JEE was at once termed as the most difficult examination at that level in the world....those 3000 odd people are there for a reason...and thats why the best univs recruit IIT ans for their Phd programs......But I agree tho that the std is fast deteriorating...
"its time to recognize that raw intelligence is not a privilege of the wealthy :-)"
A biased and short sighted statement....in fact most of the people who make it to IIT are middle class people.... |
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Zulu:
Zulu beta...
My thread was a response to the abusing of concept called caste in india....
last name,castes and the achievements of ur grand pa or great grand pa doesnt bring identity to u
the deeds that u do in ur life bring the identity to u
regarding banning Jana Gana Mana....well neeku theleekundaney sollu maatalu maatladithu u touched a correct point there....ideally u shouldn't have boundaries....or countries.....but first start with caste and then we can move forward |
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Anand_n:
Good ideas - a couple of questions though
1.Why do you need the division between veg and non-veg - dietary habits have long crossed caste boundaries :-)
2.If you abolish caste, you stop keeping a record of people's castes. Then how can you enforce same caste marriage ban?
1.VEG and NON VEG is to seperate sects when people look for arranged marriages 2.purely based on dietary habits....
When U abolish liquor u still take action on people who drink right???this is also similar to that |
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Quantum,
/*This is false. None of the top insti's in US state that they will accept the toppers of their classes....A classic example is MIT and berkeley. Most of the class that enters berkeley are people who show that have it in them to attack an original problem ...not a problem to which u are trained to think in a certain way.... */
MIT and Berkeley are not the world - UT Austin takes the top 10 % of all schools if they choose to go there ...And it was the directors of UT austin who spoke on a TV interview - when asked how does a topper with 3.5 GPA perform Vs a 3.9 gpa topper - and the answer resoundingly was some take 6 months some 1 year but they all catch up
/**Proviso..that top 20% indeed reflects merit in that order!!!!!!!! **/
Why wouldn't they be... the top 20 % in the class are the toppers in their peer group.
/**and by the way can u please define equitable
distribution...the phrase sounds catchy but what does it reflect???? **/
Opportunity to compete on a level playing field - they compete against kids who go to the same educational institution
Wasn't the IITM director complaining that all the coaching institutes are sending mechanised , prepped people to IITs and they are not getting the raw intelligence that they need for the institutes to make a difference..
Its time to recognize that raw intelligence is not a privilege of the wealthy
Zulu,
I agree people will find ways to game the system , but getting more students into the pub education system raises standards across.
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Dont talk about it in this DB. Caste is given more importance in this DB that real life in AP.
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