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Dts
Junior Artist Username: Dts
Post Number: 978 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 184.95.55.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 02:58 pm: |
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Vjavasi:you can go on dividing but it won't have physical sense......no matter how many times you divide by 2 still you won't be able to get to infinity.... whether it's a concept or number infinity doesn't exist in reality...it just concocted by mind
It sounds like that, but we need to understand if Infinity does not exist or we exist within Infinity i.e., as part of Infinity? కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" |
   
Amara
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Post Number: 4699 Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 27.6.148.89
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 03:17 am: |
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Nagfanscom:(-)x(-)
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Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 10055 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 02:48 am: |
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Dts:and the resultant by 2 so on ..
you can go on dividing but it won't have physical sense......no matter how many times you divide by 2 still you won't be able to get to infinity.... whether it's a concept or number infinity doesn't exist in reality...it just concocted by mind |
   
Nagfanscom
Comedian Username: Nagfanscom
Post Number: 1061 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 14.140.149.65
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 02:43 am: |
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(-)x(-) = '+' because two '-' signs get crossed and becomes '+' Why there is no '-0' in Number theory? if 0 carries positive value, how it could become center point for any Axis? (around which both positive and negative numbers stand) There is another theory where '0' stands for NEUTRAL, which means 1) By Adding or Subtracting it from any number (positive/negative), its value or sign doesn't change. 'Number retained its original value and sign' 2)When any number is multiplied with '0', it becomes '0' means Neutral. 'Number lost it's value and sign'. 3)When any number is divided with '0' , it becomes INFINITY. 'Number lost it's value into Space'. Surprisingly a number will 3a) Retain it's original value when divided with 1 3b) Have some finite value even when it is divided by trillion but 3c) Lost into space when it is divided by '0'. Theory of BLACK HOLES (Krishna Bilalu) evolved based on above hypothesis (3a/b/c). -3Mar |
   
Bottham
Junior Artist Username: Bottham
Post Number: 767 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 69.140.45.149
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 01:50 am: |
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Mental_sachinodu:hmmm so you are assuming negative multipled by negative is negative, which is the point of discussion, and then disproving yourself that doing so leads to an erroneous result!!
 Nethaji peelchetthunnadu. |
   
Dts
Junior Artist Username: Dts
Post Number: 976 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 184.95.55.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 06:14 pm: |
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Mental_sachinodu:to me the above equation is not the same as Infinity - 1. in the above equation we are already assuming x is a countable entity, whose value could be approaching infinity(but not infinity itself, as it cant be possible) Infinity - 1 necessarily does not mean infinity is being assumed as a number, which it isnt.
There is no equation in it. It is just representation of limiting value of the expression x-1. where x need not be any countable number, it can be uncountable number too. An irrational number for example is uncountable and x can be that irrational number. so x-1 represents a real number x when subtracted by 1. Here x is finite but could be countable or uncountable. i.e., rational or irrational. But if that x grows larger and larger tending toward Infinity x-1 also tends to the Infinity in the same direction. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" |
   
Farmer
Side Hero Username: Farmer
Post Number: 3882 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 174.253.129.159
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 05:27 pm: |
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Eluri_kurradu:
setup....v iz equal to u plus at...s iz ut plus half at square...f equals ma...sinthapandu pulus plus fish iz yummy |
   
Eluri_kurradu
Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu
Post Number: 16439 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.182.1.4
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 05:23 pm: |
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Farmer:
-a+-b whole square takkuna seppu  |
   
Farmer
Side Hero Username: Farmer
Post Number: 3881 Registered: 03-2012 Posted From: 174.253.129.159
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 05:20 pm: |
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a plus b whole square iz equal to a square plus 2 ab plus b square |
   
Mental_sachinodu
Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu
Post Number: 8206 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 05:00 pm: |
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Bottham: if we assume negative muktiped by negtive is negative, i.e. -1 x-1 = -1
hmmm so you are assuming negative multipled by negative is negative, which is the point of discussion, and then disproving yourself that doing so leads to an erroneous result!! am i missing something here? the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
   
Bottham
Junior Artist Username: Bottham
Post Number: 764 Registered: 01-2012 Posted From: 69.140.45.149
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 04:44 pm: |
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kurrodni avanasarmga ga confuse seyyamaakandi. Negative multiplcation issue has been debated over two centuries by mathematicians before arriving at a conclusion. minus multiplied by minus could also be a minus anedi kuda oka strong argument. See this book for reference: http://www.amazon.com/Negative-Math-Mathematical-Rules-Posit ively/dp/0691123098/sr=1-1/qid=1158171132/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-2 140295-6612749?ie=UTF8&s=books iha pothe one simfle froof by contradiction on why is minux into minus is plus: any negative number (say -1) is defined as -1 x 1 = -1 now, if we assume negative muktiped by negtive is negative, i.e. -1 x-1 = -1 then, -1 x -1 = -1 x 1 which implies -1 = 1, which is a contradiction. Hence froved yaa. Nethaji peelchetthunnadu. |
   
Mental_sachinodu
Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu
Post Number: 8205 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 04:40 pm: |
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Dts:Lim (x-1) x->Infinity
to me the above equation is not the same as Infinity - 1. in the above equation we are already assuming x is a countable entity, whose value could be approaching infinity(but not infinity itself, as it cant be possible) Infinity - 1 necessarily does not mean infinity is being assumed as a number, which it isnt. Coming to logical question, it is logical for us to assume infinity as some thing huge,possibly a count that is huge enough for us to physically identify in nature, and hence logically possible to subtract one if there is such a value. and the logical answer would be if there exists a such a number infinity - 1, is one less than such number. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
   
Dts
Junior Artist Username: Dts
Post Number: 975 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 184.95.55.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 04:24 pm: |
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Mental_sachinodu:Infinite - 1 cant be a mathematical equation, but very much possibly be a logical equation. after all our logical minds see limit as a boundary, but cant visualize limitless as we cant imagine a boundary less entity.
In fact this question is indeed a mathematical question (maybe not an arithmetic) but certainly not a logical question. I don't see any logical premises or conclusion in this question. However the question is undefined as Infinity is undefined by mathematics. But this question can be rewritten as a well defined mathematical question as follows: - Lim (x-1) x->Infinity The answer to the above limit is that the limiting value tends to Infinity. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" |
   
Mental_sachinodu
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Post Number: 8204 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 04:23 pm: |
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Dts:The first two statements are okay; third statement is invalid partly in that Natural numbers are countably infinite by definition. It is not can be considered in fact they are.
yes, they are. wrong wording on my part.
Dts:For your last statement I have already given an example of bounded infinite set, the open set (1,2) of real numbers.
that was just for pun. real number set is an uncountably infinite set(may be wrong wording again, uncountable and infinite both mean the same!!) the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
   
Dts
Junior Artist Username: Dts
Post Number: 974 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 184.95.55.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 04:19 pm: |
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Mental_sachinodu:Infinity is not a number, its a concept. you cant subtract a number from infinity, just like you cant subtract a number from an idea. Natural Numbers can be considered countably infinite, but it just means endless series, an infinite set. Infinite - 1 cant be a mathematical equation, but very much possibly be a logical equation. after all our logical minds see limit as a boundary, but cant visualize limitless as we cant imagine a boundary less entity.
The first two statements are okay; third statement is invalid partly in that Natural numbers are countably infinite by definition. It is not can be considered in fact they are. For your last statement I have already given an example of bounded infinite set, the open set (1,2) of real numbers. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" |
   
Sarvabhouma_rao
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Post Number: 3454 Registered: 04-2011 Posted From: 199.248.185.22
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 04:12 pm: |
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Mental_sachinodu:
mee two concepts keka vunnayi Brother. Sadaru vyakthi Sarvabhouma_rao Appatlo Paga_Babai_Paga |
   
Mental_sachinodu
Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu
Post Number: 8202 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 03:46 pm: |
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Infinity is not a number, its a concept. you cant subtract a number from infinity, just like you cant subtract a number from an idea. Natural Numbers can be considered countably infinite, but it just means endless series, an infinite set. Infinite - 1 cant be a mathematical equation, but very much possibly be a logical equation. after all our logical minds see limit as a boundary, but cant visualize limitless as we cant imagine a boundary less entity. Yes, I do believe in infinity, human foolishness  the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
   
Dts
Junior Artist Username: Dts
Post Number: 973 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 184.95.55.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 03:18 pm: |
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Vjavasi:how do you know there are infinite numbers between 1 and 2?
Take any number between 1 and 2 and divide it by 2 and the resultant by 2 so on .... కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" |
   
Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 10054 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:48 pm: |
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Dts: E.g., number 1 belongs to this world, so is the number 2, but how many real numbers (rational + irrational ) numbers are there between 1 and 2? Infinity.
how do you know there are infinite numbers between 1 and 2? |
   
Dts
Junior Artist Username: Dts
Post Number: 972 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 184.95.55.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:41 pm: |
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Gamingfan:undefined or error
It is not error, it is not defined that what we call Infinity. If it were error, then errors do exist in this world hence Infinity. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" |
   
Gamingfan
Junior Artist Username: Gamingfan
Post Number: 773 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 59.93.102.129
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:39 pm: |
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Dts:1 by 0
undefined or error "Human affairs are like a chess-game:only those who do not take seriously can be called good players.Life is like an earthen pot:only when it is shattered,does it manifest its emptiness." "The only people who try to tell you that you can't do something,are the people who have failed." LOVE IS THE SLOWEST FORM OF SUICIDE!
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Dts
Junior Artist Username: Dts
Post Number: 971 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 184.95.55.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:36 pm: |
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Gamingfan:everything is discovarable at one time or the other
If everything is discoverable than Infinity is also discoverable which is a contradiction. How do you divide 1 by 0? Can it be discoverable? కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" |
   
Urumi
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Post Number: 3034 Registered: 12-2011 Posted From: 71.174.226.211
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:32 pm: |
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Vjavasi:is infinity - 1 = infinity true?
say x= no. of stars in the sky then, x-1= infinity |
   
Gamingfan
Junior Artist Username: Gamingfan
Post Number: 770 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 59.93.102.129
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:30 pm: |
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Dts: Universe you are wrong.
everything is discovarable at one time or the other so for me there doesnot exist infinite explain chesta idi kani mood dobbindi anduke cheyyatledu "Human affairs are like a chess-game:only those who do not take seriously can be called good players.Life is like an earthen pot:only when it is shattered,does it manifest its emptiness." "The only people who try to tell you that you can't do something,are the people who have failed." LOVE IS THE SLOWEST FORM OF SUICIDE!
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Dts
Junior Artist Username: Dts
Post Number: 970 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 184.95.55.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:27 pm: |
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Gamingfan:nothing is infinite in this world,so infinite doesnot exist
Oh my God! Okay your statement could be true for this "world" meaning earth. But if you consider Universe you are wrong. Even on this world there are infinite quantities but you cannot reach. It sounds tricky by exist is not the term that is used for Infinity. E.g., number 1 belongs to this world, so is the number 2, but how many real numbers (rational + irrational ) numbers are there between 1 and 2? Infinity. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" |
   
Jatayu
Comedian Username: Jatayu
Post Number: 1584 Registered: 04-2012 Posted From: 72.163.217.103
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:26 pm: |
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Urumi:thread inkaa chadavaledu kaani, 0 ki +/- lu enti
concept baavundi kada akkai.. btw.. context eti ante.. satruvu satruvu mitrudu ainattu ante.. not necessary kada annaru.. so daniki egample kinda pai egample icha.. bavundi kada  If you are good at something.. never do it for free.. |
   
Dts
Junior Artist Username: Dts
Post Number: 969 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 184.95.55.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:23 pm: |
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Vjavasi:if infinity minus one can't exist then infinity also cannot exist...if no mathematical operations can be performed on infinity then it simply doesn't exist
Infinity as a number does not exist because it is not defined that way. Infinity is defined to be something that is not defined. So far mathematicians did not arrive at any technical definition for Infinity. So you cannot imagine Infinite as a large number. Because you could reach a large number. But Infinity is something which you cannot reach. In order for you to subtract a number you must first be able to reach it than you can apply the operation on it. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" |
   
Gamingfan
Junior Artist Username: Gamingfan
Post Number: 765 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 59.93.102.129
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:19 pm: |
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nothing is infinite in this world,so infinite doesnot exist "Human affairs are like a chess-game:only those who do not take seriously can be called good players.Life is like an earthen pot:only when it is shattered,does it manifest its emptiness." "The only people who try to tell you that you can't do something,are the people who have failed." LOVE IS THE SLOWEST FORM OF SUICIDE!
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Urumi
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Post Number: 3033 Registered: 12-2011 Posted From: 71.174.226.211
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:14 pm: |
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Jatayu: that is one the case with 0 annai -0 * -0 = +/-0
thread inkaa chadavaledu kaani, 0 ki +/- lu enti  |
   
Jatayu
Comedian Username: Jatayu
Post Number: 1582 Registered: 04-2012 Posted From: 72.163.217.103
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:12 pm: |
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Vjavasi:it simply doesn't exist
kanna cannot be defined anedi correct definition  If you are good at something.. never do it for free.. |
   
Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 10053 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:11 pm: |
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Dts: No, Subtraction is the operation defined on finite minuend and a finite subtrahend. This operation is not defined for Infinity. How an you remove something from an Infinite minuend?
if infinity minus one can't exist then infinity also cannot exist...if no mathematical operations can be performed on infinity then it simply doesn't exist |
   
Gamingfan
Junior Artist Username: Gamingfan
Post Number: 760 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 59.93.102.129
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 02:04 pm: |
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Vjavasi:infinite
infinite is not a number,and it cannot be measured. boundless "Human affairs are like a chess-game:only those who do not take seriously can be called good players.Life is like an earthen pot:only when it is shattered,does it manifest its emptiness." "The only people who try to tell you that you can't do something,are the people who have failed." LOVE IS THE SLOWEST FORM OF SUICIDE!
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Dts
Junior Artist Username: Dts
Post Number: 968 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 184.95.55.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:59 pm: |
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Vjavasi:subtraction means just removing something...so if we remove some items from infinite items...does infinite collection of some items loose something? yes or no? or can we say both yes and no?
No, Subtraction is the operation defined on finite minuend and a finite subtrahend. This operation is not defined for Infinity. How an you remove something from an Infinite minuend? కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" |
   
Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 10052 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:55 pm: |
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Gatti_gunde:mee twitter id ivvandi
krishnarjun108 |
   
Jatayu
Comedian Username: Jatayu
Post Number: 1581 Registered: 04-2012 Posted From: 72.163.217.103
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:53 pm: |
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Vjavasi:satruvu ki satruvu satruvu kooda kavachu mithrudu avvalani emi ledhu....three people can mutually hate each other
that is one the case with 0 annai -0 * -0 = +/-0  If you are good at something.. never do it for free.. |
   
Gatti_gunde
Hero Username: Gatti_gunde
Post Number: 10188 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 173.174.61.237
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:52 pm: |
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Vjavasi:
mee twitter id ivvandi MEE abimaananni nenu gundello dhachukunta kani thala ki ekkanivanu - Pawan Kalyan |
   
Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 10050 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:51 pm: |
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Jatayu:Satruvu Satruvu mitrudu etta avutado idi anthe..
satruvu ki satruvu satruvu kooda kavachu mithrudu avvalani emi ledhu....three people can mutually hate each other |
   
Jatayu
Comedian Username: Jatayu
Post Number: 1580 Registered: 04-2012 Posted From: 72.163.217.103
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:47 pm: |
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Vjavasi:philosophical explanation with single units
Satruvu Satruvu mitrudu etta avutado idi anthe.. If you are good at something.. never do it for free.. |
   
Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 10049 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:36 pm: |
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Aha:I would consider it this way - For instance, I say 'Let us watch this movie'. 'Let us not watch this movie' would be my opposite statement (negative). Now if I say 'Let us not 'not watch this movie', it implies that let us watch the movie. So, two negatives make a positive. -2 times -4 is -(-8) which makes it +8.
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Gamingfan
Junior Artist Username: Gamingfan
Post Number: 759 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 59.93.102.129
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:31 pm: |
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Vjavasi: infinite items
how is it possible?if there is nothing called infinite "Human affairs are like a chess-game:only those who do not take seriously can be called good players.Life is like an earthen pot:only when it is shattered,does it manifest its emptiness." "The only people who try to tell you that you can't do something,are the people who have failed." LOVE IS THE SLOWEST FORM OF SUICIDE!
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Gamingfan
Junior Artist Username: Gamingfan
Post Number: 757 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 59.93.102.129
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:29 pm: |
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Thikka_sankara:if you are sure that there is absolutely nothing
i can explain this but now not in a good mood to explain it "Human affairs are like a chess-game:only those who do not take seriously can be called good players.Life is like an earthen pot:only when it is shattered,does it manifest its emptiness." "The only people who try to tell you that you can't do something,are the people who have failed." LOVE IS THE SLOWEST FORM OF SUICIDE!
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Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10048 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:29 pm: |
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Dts: I did not understand this question? For that matter, how can you apply numbers to items? You just count items. So you use numbers to represent items. But there are items that cannot be counted. Uncountable items etc. Infinity is uncountable unreachable entity. So I can still see it as an item with the aforesaid properties.
subtraction means just removing something...so if we remove some items from infinite items...does infinite collection of some items loose something? yes or no? or can we say both yes and no? |
   
Dts
Junior Artist Username: Dts
Post Number: 967 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 184.95.55.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:21 pm: |
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Vjavasi:then infinity cannot be applied to items
I did not understand this question? For that matter, how can you apply numbers to items? You just count items. So you use numbers to represent items. But there are items that cannot be counted. Uncountable items etc. Infinity is uncountable unreachable entity. So I can still see it as an item with the aforesaid properties. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10047 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:17 pm: |
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Dts:It is an absurd. Subtraction cannot be applied to Infinity by definition.
then infinity cannot be applied to items |
   
Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 10046 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:15 pm: |
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Gamingfan:there is nothing called infinite,in my view.
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Thikka_sankara
Comedian Username: Thikka_sankara
Post Number: 1832 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.164.27.191
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:15 pm: |
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Gamingfan:there is nothing
if you are sure that there is absolutely nothing, then you are talking about infinity too ;) Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi |
   
Gamingfan
Junior Artist Username: Gamingfan
Post Number: 755 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 59.93.102.129
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:11 pm: |
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Vjavasi:is infinity - 1 = infinity true?
first of all,infinite is not a number there is nothing called infinite,in my view. "Human affairs are like a chess-game:only those who do not take seriously can be called good players.Life is like an earthen pot:only when it is shattered,does it manifest its emptiness." "The only people who try to tell you that you can't do something,are the people who have failed." LOVE IS THE SLOWEST FORM OF SUICIDE!
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Thikka_sankara
Comedian Username: Thikka_sankara
Post Number: 1830 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.164.27.191
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:10 pm: |
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Vjavasi:another question is infinity - 1 = infinity true?
with infinity, everything is tricky bhayya.... infinity is when you know for sure (absolutely) that you cant count so how much ever you add or subtract to a quantity that you cannot count, you are never gonna be able to measure the result tooooo that brings to the next question infinity - infinity =? when you do not know how much you are dealing with, you wouldn't know how much to subtract from also. so, how much ever you subtract so much ever is retained (remember its so high that it is beyond your imagination) Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi |
   
Dts
Junior Artist Username: Dts
Post Number: 965 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 184.95.55.18
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:09 pm: |
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Vjavasi:is infinity - 1 = infinity true?
It is an absurd. Subtraction cannot be applied to Infinity by definition. Bug you can say using limits, ie., x-1 approaches infinity as x approaches infinity. Which is true. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" |
   
Siloan
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Post Number: 27598 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:08 pm: |
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Vjavasi:is infinity - 1 = infinity true?
infinity * -1 = -infinity ...negative shoonyam...basmam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOgzdZqNtKQ&feature=player_embedded |
   
Aha
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Post Number: 1685 Registered: 01-2011 Posted From: 170.136.110.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:07 pm: |
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Vjavasi: is infinity - 1 = infinity true?
it is undefined har ik gham tumhaara sahenge khushi se karenge na shikwaa kabhi bhi kisi se |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10045 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:04 pm: |
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another question is infinity - 1 = infinity true? |
   
Thikka_sankara
Comedian Username: Thikka_sankara
Post Number: 1829 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.164.27.191
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:02 pm: |
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Mental_sachinodu: sunyam as a concept is different from sunna a value in numbering system. Sunyam can mean nothing and also can mean infinite. where as sunna is a symbol to represent lack of value, ofcourse these values can be extended to concepts.
I know, but lot of people attribute zero to sunya and I do not subscribe to it see this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero#India The Indian scholar Pingala (circa 5th-2nd century BC) used binary numbers in the form of short and long syllables (the latter equal in length to two short syllables), making it similar to Morse code.[11][12] He and his contemporary Indian scholars used the Sanskrit word śūnya to refer to zero or void. Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi |
   
Mental_sachinodu
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Post Number: 8200 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 01:00 pm: |
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Thikka_sankara:sunya means that nothing exists
sunyam as a concept is different from sunna a value in numbering system. Sunyam can mean nothing and also can mean infinite. where as sunna is a symbol to represent lack of value, ofcourse these values can be extended to concepts. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
   
Linkmaster
Megastar Username: Linkmaster
Post Number: 28541 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 149.128.8.245
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 12:59 pm: |
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Mental_sachinodu:
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Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10044 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
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Mental_sachinodu: now + and - are directions with respect to 0 on a number line. so when you say, you 2, you are on the positive side with 2 units. when you say -2 you are on the negative side with 2 units. now essentialy, - is opposite of +, so -2 is opposite directionally to 2. -2 is nothing but moving 2 units opposite to 2. that is 2*(-1) denotes the negative direction of 2. -2 is not a physically representable entity, its just means the opposite of 2. now consider (-2)(*-1) that is opposite of -2, which is 2.
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Eluri_kurradu
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Post Number: 16400 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.182.1.4
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 12:52 pm: |
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Thikka_sankara: bhayya.... according to me, there is no negative number at all if zero is sunya... the zero that is thought from sunya is not true translation.... sunya means that nothing exists.... where as for zero, there can exist sub zero temperatures... so zero is not exactly sunya.....
zero ante sunya kadu direction less like in neutral gear ani Drive gear loki edathavo revrseloki tostavo nee ishtam zero is like you are there but you don't have any thing ani anukuntunna |
   
Mental_sachinodu
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Post Number: 8199 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 208.85.128.5
Rating:  Votes: 6 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 12:51 pm: |
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verbally it is simple if some one says "Do Not Perform an act", it is a negative asking not to perform. Perform an act being the positive. if we now say "Do Not Not Perform an act", this in essential means asking to perform. Now mathermatically, lets take the number line -7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 now + and - are directions with respect to 0 on a number line. so when you say, you 2, you are on the positive side with 2 units. when you say -2 you are on the negative side with 2 units. now essentialy, - is opposite of +, so -2 is opposite directionally to 2. -2 is nothing but moving 2 units opposite to 2. that is 2*(-1) denotes the negative direction of 2. -2 is not a physically representable entity, its just means the opposite of 2. now consider (-2)(*-1) that is opposite of -2, which is 2. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada |
   
Aha
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Post Number: 1681 Registered: 01-2011 Posted From: 170.136.110.10
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 12:51 pm: |
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I would consider it this way - For instance, I say 'Let us watch this movie'. 'Let us not watch this movie' would be my opposite statement (negative). Now if I say 'Let us not 'not watch this movie', it implies that let us watch the movie. So, two negatives make a positive. -2 times -4 is -(-8) which makes it +8. har ik gham tumhaara sahenge khushi se karenge na shikwaa kabhi bhi kisi se |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10043 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 12:50 pm: |
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-1x-1 = 1 means taking negative of negative.....negative when applied on anything reverses it by definition.....where as positive when applied on anything enhances it.....so negative of negative is positive.....but positive of positive can only be positive |
   
Thikka_sankara
Comedian Username: Thikka_sankara
Post Number: 1828 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 122.164.27.191
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 12:48 pm: |
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Vjavasi:
bhayya.... according to me, there is no negative number at all if zero is sunya... the zero that is thought from sunya is not true translation.... sunya means that nothing exists.... where as for zero, there can exist sub zero temperatures... so zero is not exactly sunya..... if zero is not sunya.... then its merely a mark on the scale. for xample the temperature at which water freezes.... but not sunya.... at sunya there wouldnt be temperature at all...... hence subzero temperatures are also marks on the scale of measurement till we reach absolute sunya.... i have talked purely in terms of temperature... because I felt it is easy to understand when we attribute what we talk to some example I may be wrong, absolutely, but its just my IMO Naakonchem thikkundi.... daaaniko lekkundi |
   
Eluri_kurradu
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Post Number: 16398 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.182.1.4
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Linkmaster:
-10 times add cheyyadam ante 10 times add chesesi minus cheyyadam ani ardam bemmi ali crush |
   
Eluri_kurradu
Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu
Post Number: 16397 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.182.1.4
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Linkmaster: -10 + -10 + -10 + ...... = -100 then?
remove -100 from your debts.. if possible add all their properties to ur name since subbayya was killed by rajareddy ani N_U tammudu cheppamannadu  |
   
Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 10042 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 12:39 pm: |
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some of my tweets on this... do these tweets have answer? why negative multiplied by negative is positive? does it make physical sense? negative of negative is positive but positive of positive is more positive? negative is dependent on the existence of positive by definition, but positive has independent existence can we think negative without first knowing positive of it? |
   
Amara
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Post Number: 4669 Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 27.6.148.89
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 12:33 pm: |
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Linkmaster:-10 + -10 + -10 + ...... = -100 then?
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Linkmaster
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Post Number: 28540 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 149.128.8.245
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 12:32 pm: |
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Eluri_kurradu:multiplication is nothing but adding multiple number of times ee angle lo alochinchandi chala examples dorukutayi
-10 + -10 + -10 + ...... = -100 then? |
   
Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 10041 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
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please keep posting ur views.... i would share an interesting argument |
   
Hasyaspadhani
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Post Number: 47 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 199.167.132.132
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 12:27 pm: |
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Positive times positive equals positive. Negative times negative equals positive. But the interesting thing is that when they juxtapose, negative wins. This is because negative means variance, variance means progress, and this motion is soul. |
   
Dts
Junior Artist Username: Dts
Post Number: 964 Registered: 08-2009 Posted From: 184.95.55.18
Rating:  Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 12:01 pm: |
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If you are multiplying number x with y you are essentially adding x, y number of times. i.e., x+x+...+x (y-times) Fist let's understand what is negative, say -1. How you get a -1. if you take 1 out of nothing i.e, 0. So by -x I mean take x out of 0. so -x * -y is same as take -x, -y times from 0. i.e., -(-x)-(-x)-...-(-x) (y-times). Now the question is how does -(-x) becomes x. We can understand it better if we consider metric space. Lets say you and your friend stand facing each other and both are looking for directions for the post office which is 2 units away. Your friend says that the post office is 2 units away to your right. You say that the post office is 2 units away to your left. Facing opposite to each other your left become his right, but the magnitude is same the orientation is opposite. The negative sign is the orientation of a number. కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను! DTS "The digital experience" |
   
Analog
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Post Number: 2252 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 76.185.166.13
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 12:01 pm: |
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Interesting question..looking forward to some nice answers!! Electrons basha lo nenu try chestha Electron is -ve elementary electric charge.....The laws of the Universe are set up such that bringing two electrons closer and closer together requires an input of more and more energy, with infinite energy required to force them to occupy the same space. Therefore it is simply impossible to bring two electrons together. If you ever find two free electrons in close proximity to each other, they will give off energy in order to get away from each other. Source : Physics forums -> An attractive force has a negative potential energy and repelling force has positive energy ...(anduke -ve * -ve = +ve ani decide chesinattunnaru) NenoDi neeve gelichi... nee gelupu naadani thalachi... raagaalu ranjilu roje raaji rammanTi |
   
Siloan
Megastar Username: Siloan
Post Number: 27581 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 11:46 am: |
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vushnam vushnena seethalam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOgzdZqNtKQ&feature=player_embedded |
   
Eluri_kurradu
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Post Number: 16395 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.182.1.4
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 11:43 am: |
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Vjavasi:
appuni negetive ga esukuntava positive ga esukuntava? number is always positive appu anedi mundu negetive cherustundi alage lekkallonchu runadathalu povadam kuda negetive shatruvu ki shatruvu = mithrudu ane theory kuda math lonchi vachindi ani naa abhiprayam |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10040 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 11:39 am: |
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Eluri_kurradu:pachiga cheppali ante neeku dabbulichinappudu -10 nee acount lo eskunnavu no of donors account lo eskunnavu allandaru faction godavallo poyyaru anukundam appudu allani account lonchi teeseyyali ante again minus cheyyali .. simple faction math
mastaru ee lekha ki rendu positive numbers saripotaayi kadha |
   
Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 10039 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 11:38 am: |
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I want a proof or philosophical explanation with single units, not multiple things put together with random sign conventions....is there any solid physical basis? |
   
Rowdy
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Post Number: 19983 Registered: 01-2010 Posted From: 144.15.255.227
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 11:08 am: |
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Eluri_kurradu:simple faction math
annai, neelo inta talent undaa? |
   
Eluri_kurradu
Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu
Post Number: 16393 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.182.1.4
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 11:05 am: |
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Vjavasi:how do you add a negative number negative number of times?
negetive is runamu (-) runamichinollu matash (-) pachiga cheppali ante neeku dabbulichinappudu -10 nee acount lo eskunnavu no of donors account lo eskunnavu allandaru faction godavallo poyyaru anukundam appudu allani account lonchi teeseyyali ante again minus cheyyali .. simple faction math |
   
Vjavasi
Hero Username: Vjavasi
Post Number: 10038 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 11:00 am: |
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Eluri_kurradu:multiplication is nothing but adding multiple number of times ee angle lo alochinchandi chala examples dorukutayi
how do you add a negative number negative number of times? |
   
Eluri_kurradu
Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu
Post Number: 16388 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.182.1.4
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 10:57 am: |
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multiplication is nothing but adding multiple number of times ee angle lo alochinchandi chala examples dorukutayi |
   
Eluri_kurradu
Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu
Post Number: 16387 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 159.182.1.4
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if you owe $10 (-10) to 10 people and they write off (-10) you are richer by +100 |
   
Gamingfan
Junior Artist Username: Gamingfan
Post Number: 751 Registered: 08-2012 Posted From: 59.93.102.129
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 10:48 am: |
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like signs and unlike signs also inverse ravadaniki "Human affairs are like a chess-game:only those who do not take seriously can be called good players.Life is like an earthen pot:only when it is shattered,does it manifest its emptiness." "The only people who try to tell you that you can't do something,are the people who have failed." LOVE IS THE SLOWEST FORM OF SUICIDE!
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Gatti_gunde
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Post Number: 10183 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 173.174.61.237
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 10:40 am: |
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negative ni negative tho divide chesthe positive avuthundhi andukeee silly ga anipinchina idhe reason anukuntunna MEE abimaananni nenu gundello dhachukunta kani thala ki ekkanivanu - Pawan Kalyan |
   
Vjavasi
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Post Number: 10037 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 202.133.58.122
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 10:37 am: |
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why negative number multiplied by negative number gives a positive number |