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Vjavasi:

you can go on dividing but it won't have physical sense......no matter how many times you divide by 2 still you won't be able to get to infinity.... whether it's a concept or number infinity doesn't exist in reality...it just concocted by mind




It sounds like that, but we need to understand if Infinity does not exist or we exist within Infinity i.e., as part of Infinity?
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(-)x(-)




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Dts:

and the resultant by 2 so on ..





you can go on dividing but it won't have physical sense......no matter how many times you divide by 2 still you won't be able to get to infinity.... whether it's a concept or number infinity doesn't exist in reality...it just concocted by mind
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(-)x(-) = '+' because two '-' signs get crossed and becomes '+'

Why there is no '-0' in Number theory? if 0 carries positive value, how it could become center point for any Axis? (around which both positive and negative numbers stand)

There is another theory where '0' stands for NEUTRAL, which means
1) By Adding or Subtracting it from any number (positive/negative), its value or sign doesn't change. 'Number retained its original value and sign'

2)When any number is multiplied with '0', it becomes '0' means Neutral. 'Number lost it's value and sign'.

3)When any number is divided with '0' , it becomes INFINITY. 'Number lost it's value into Space'. Surprisingly a number will
3a) Retain it's original value when divided with 1
3b) Have some finite value even when it is divided by trillion but
3c) Lost into space when it is divided by '0'.

Theory of BLACK HOLES (Krishna Bilalu) evolved based on above hypothesis (3a/b/c).

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Mental_sachinodu:

hmmm so you are assuming negative multipled by negative is negative, which is the point of discussion, and then disproving yourself that doing so leads to an erroneous result!!




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Mental_sachinodu:

to me the above equation is not the same as Infinity - 1. in the above equation we are already assuming x is a countable entity, whose value could be approaching infinity(but not infinity itself, as it cant be possible)

Infinity - 1 necessarily does not mean infinity is being assumed as a number, which it isnt.




There is no equation in it. It is just representation of limiting value of the expression x-1. where x need not be any countable number, it can be uncountable number too. An irrational number for example is uncountable and x can be that irrational number.

so x-1 represents a real number x when subtracted by 1. Here x is finite but could be countable or uncountable. i.e., rational or irrational. But if that x grows larger and larger tending toward Infinity x-1 also tends to the Infinity in the same direction.
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setup....v iz equal to u plus at...s iz ut plus half at square...f equals ma...sinthapandu pulus plus fish iz yummy
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-a+-b whole square takkuna seppu :d :d
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a plus b whole square iz equal to a square plus 2 ab plus b square
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Bottham:

if we assume negative muktiped by negtive is negative, i.e. -1 x-1 = -1



hmmm so you are assuming negative multipled by negative is negative, which is the point of discussion, and then disproving yourself that doing so leads to an erroneous result!!

am i missing something here?
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kurrodni avanasarmga ga confuse seyyamaakandi. Negative multiplcation issue has been debated over two centuries by mathematicians before arriving at a conclusion. minus multiplied by minus could also be a minus anedi kuda oka strong argument. See this book for reference: http://www.amazon.com/Negative-Math-Mathematical-Rules-Posit ively/dp/0691123098/sr=1-1/qid=1158171132/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-2 140295-6612749?ie=UTF8&s=books

iha pothe one simfle froof by contradiction on why is minux into minus is plus:
any negative number (say -1) is defined as -1 x 1 = -1
now, if we assume negative muktiped by negtive is negative, i.e. -1 x-1 = -1
then, -1 x -1 = -1 x 1
which implies -1 = 1, which is a contradiction. Hence froved yaa.
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Dts:

Lim (x-1)
x->Infinity




to me the above equation is not the same as Infinity - 1. in the above equation we are already assuming x is a countable entity, whose value could be approaching infinity(but not infinity itself, as it cant be possible)

Infinity - 1 necessarily does not mean infinity is being assumed as a number, which it isnt.

Coming to logical question, it is logical for us to assume infinity as some thing huge,possibly a count that is huge enough for us to physically identify in nature, and hence logically possible to subtract one if there is such a value. and the logical answer would be if there exists a such a number infinity - 1, is one less than such number.
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Mental_sachinodu:

Infinite - 1 cant be a mathematical equation, but very much possibly be a logical equation. after all our logical minds see limit as a boundary, but cant visualize limitless as we cant imagine a boundary less entity.




In fact this question is indeed a mathematical question (maybe not an arithmetic) but certainly not a logical question. I don't see any logical premises or conclusion in this question. However the question is undefined as Infinity is undefined by mathematics. But this question can be rewritten as a well defined mathematical question as follows: -

Lim (x-1)
x->Infinity

The answer to the above limit is that the limiting value tends to Infinity.
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Dts:

The first two statements are okay; third statement is invalid partly in that Natural numbers are countably infinite by definition. It is not can be considered in fact they are.



yes, they are. wrong wording on my part.


Dts:

For your last statement I have already given an example of bounded infinite set, the open set (1,2) of real numbers.



that was just for pun.
real number set is an uncountably infinite set(may be wrong wording again, uncountable and infinite both mean the same!!)
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Mental_sachinodu:

Infinity is not a number, its a concept.

you cant subtract a number from infinity, just like you cant subtract a number from an idea.

Natural Numbers can be considered countably infinite, but it just means endless series, an infinite set.

Infinite - 1 cant be a mathematical equation, but very much possibly be a logical equation. after all our logical minds see limit as a boundary, but cant visualize limitless as we cant imagine a boundary less entity.




The first two statements are okay; third statement is invalid partly in that Natural numbers are countably infinite by definition. It is not can be considered in fact they are.

For your last statement I have already given an example of bounded infinite set, the open set (1,2) of real numbers.
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Mental_sachinodu:




mee two concepts keka vunnayi Brother.
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Infinity is not a number, its a concept.

you cant subtract a number from infinity, just like you cant subtract a number from an idea.

Natural Numbers can be considered countably infinite, but it just means endless series, an infinite set.

Infinite - 1 cant be a mathematical equation, but very much possibly be a logical equation. after all our logical minds see limit as a boundary, but cant visualize limitless as we cant imagine a boundary less entity.

Yes, I do believe in infinity, human foolishness :D
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Vjavasi:

how do you know there are infinite numbers between 1 and 2?




Take any number between 1 and 2 and divide it by 2 and the resultant by 2 so on ....
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Dts:


E.g., number 1 belongs to this world, so is the number 2, but how many real numbers (rational + irrational ) numbers are there between 1 and 2? Infinity.





how do you know there are infinite numbers between 1 and 2?
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undefined or error




It is not error, it is not defined that what we call Infinity. If it were error, then errors do exist in this world hence Infinity.
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Dts:

1 by 0




undefined or error
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Gamingfan:

everything is discovarable at one time or the other




If everything is discoverable than Infinity is also discoverable which is a contradiction.

How do you divide 1 by 0? Can it be discoverable?
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Vjavasi:

is infinity - 1 = infinity true?



say x= no. of stars in the sky
then, x-1= infinity
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Dts:

Universe you are wrong.




everything is discovarable at one time or the other

so for me there doesnot exist infinite

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Gamingfan:

nothing is infinite in this world,so infinite doesnot exist




Oh my God! Okay your statement could be true for this "world" meaning earth. But if you consider Universe you are wrong.

Even on this world there are infinite quantities but you cannot reach. It sounds tricky by exist is not the term that is used for Infinity.

E.g., number 1 belongs to this world, so is the number 2, but how many real numbers (rational + irrational ) numbers are there between 1 and 2? Infinity.
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Urumi:

thread inkaa chadavaledu kaani, 0 ki +/- lu enti



concept baavundi kada akkai..

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Vjavasi:

if infinity minus one can't exist then infinity also cannot exist...if no mathematical operations can be performed on infinity then it simply doesn't exist




Infinity as a number does not exist because it is not defined that way. Infinity is defined to be something that is not defined.

So far mathematicians did not arrive at any technical definition for Infinity. So you cannot imagine Infinite as a large number. Because you could reach a large number. But Infinity is something which you cannot reach. In order for you to subtract a number you must first be able to reach it than you can apply the operation on it.
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nothing is infinite in this world,so infinite doesnot exist
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Jatayu:


that is one the case with 0 annai :D -0 * -0 = +/-0




thread inkaa chadavaledu kaani, 0 ki +/- lu enti
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Vjavasi:

it simply doesn't exist



kanna cannot be defined anedi correct definition :-) :-)
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No, Subtraction is the operation defined on finite minuend and a finite subtrahend. This operation is not defined for Infinity.

How an you remove something from an Infinite minuend?





if infinity minus one can't exist then infinity also cannot exist...if no mathematical operations can be performed on infinity then it simply doesn't exist
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Vjavasi:

infinite




infinite is not a number,and it cannot be measured.

boundless
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Vjavasi:

subtraction means just removing something...so if we remove some items from infinite items...does infinite collection of some items loose something? yes or no? or can we say both yes and no?




No, Subtraction is the operation defined on finite minuend and a finite subtrahend. This operation is not defined for Infinity.

How an you remove something from an Infinite minuend?
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Vjavasi:

satruvu ki satruvu satruvu kooda kavachu mithrudu avvalani emi ledhu....three people can mutually hate each other



that is one the case with 0 annai :D -0 * -0 = +/-0 :D :D
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Jatayu:

Satruvu Satruvu mitrudu etta avutado idi anthe..





satruvu ki satruvu satruvu kooda kavachu mithrudu avvalani emi ledhu....three people can mutually hate each other
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Vjavasi:

philosophical explanation with single units



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Aha:

I would consider it this way -

For instance, I say 'Let us watch this movie'.
'Let us not watch this movie' would be my opposite statement (negative).

Now if I say 'Let us not 'not watch this movie', it implies that let us watch the movie.

So, two negatives make a positive.

-2 times -4 is -(-8) which makes it +8.





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Vjavasi:

infinite items




how is it possible?if there is nothing called infinite
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Thikka_sankara:

if you are sure that there is absolutely nothing




i can explain this

but now not in a good mood to explain it
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Dts:


I did not understand this question? For that matter, how can you apply numbers to items? You just count items. So you use numbers to represent items. But there are items that cannot be counted. Uncountable items etc.
Infinity is uncountable unreachable entity. So I can still see it as an item with the aforesaid properties.





subtraction means just removing something...so if we remove some items from infinite items...does infinite collection of some items loose something? yes or no? or can we say both yes and no?
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Vjavasi:

then infinity cannot be applied to items




I did not understand this question? For that matter, how can you apply numbers to items? You just count items. So you use numbers to represent items. But there are items that cannot be counted. Uncountable items etc.
Infinity is uncountable unreachable entity. So I can still see it as an item with the aforesaid properties.
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Dts:

It is an absurd. Subtraction cannot be applied to Infinity by definition.





then infinity cannot be applied to items
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Gamingfan:

there is nothing called infinite,in my view.





agree with this
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Gamingfan:

there is nothing




if you are sure that there is absolutely nothing, then you are talking about infinity too ;)
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Vjavasi:

is infinity - 1 = infinity true?




first of all,infinite is not a number

there is nothing called infinite,in my view.
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Vjavasi:

another question


is infinity - 1 = infinity true?




with infinity, everything is tricky bhayya.... infinity is when you know for sure (absolutely) that you cant count
so how much ever you add or subtract to a quantity that you cannot count, you are never gonna be able to measure the result tooooo

that brings to the next question infinity - infinity =?

when you do not know how much you are dealing with, you wouldn't know how much to subtract from also. so, how much ever you subtract so much ever is retained (remember its so high that it is beyond your imagination)
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Vjavasi:

is infinity - 1 = infinity true?




It is an absurd. Subtraction cannot be applied to Infinity by definition.
Bug you can say using limits, ie., x-1 approaches infinity as x approaches infinity. Which is true.
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Vjavasi:

is infinity - 1 = infinity true?




infinity * -1 = -infinity ...negative shoonyam...basmam
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Vjavasi:


is infinity - 1 = infinity true?




it is undefined
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another question


is infinity - 1 = infinity true?
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Mental_sachinodu:


sunyam as a concept is different from sunna a value in numbering system.

Sunyam can mean nothing and also can mean infinite. where as sunna is a symbol to represent lack of value, ofcourse these values can be extended to concepts.




I know, but lot of people attribute zero to sunya and I do not subscribe to it
see this
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The Indian scholar Pingala (circa 5th-2nd century BC) used binary numbers in the form of short and long syllables (the latter equal in length to two short syllables), making it similar to Morse code.[11][12] He and his contemporary Indian scholars used the Sanskrit word śūnya to refer to zero or void.
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Thikka_sankara:

sunya means that nothing exists



sunyam as a concept is different from sunna a value in numbering system.

Sunyam can mean nothing and also can mean infinite. where as sunna is a symbol to represent lack of value, ofcourse these values can be extended to concepts.
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Mental_sachinodu:




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Mental_sachinodu:


now + and - are directions with respect to 0 on a number line. so when you say, you 2, you are on the positive side with 2 units. when you say -2 you are on the negative side with 2 units.

now essentialy, - is opposite of +, so -2 is opposite directionally to 2. -2 is nothing but moving 2 units opposite to 2. that is 2*(-1) denotes the negative direction of 2.


-2 is not a physically representable entity, its just means the opposite of 2.

now consider (-2)(*-1) that is opposite of -2, which is 2.






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bhayya.... according to me, there is no negative number at all if zero is sunya... the zero that is thought from sunya is not true translation.... sunya means that nothing exists.... where as for zero, there can exist sub zero temperatures... so zero is not exactly sunya.....



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verbally it is simple

if some one says "Do Not Perform an act", it is a negative asking not to perform. Perform an act being the positive.

if we now say "Do Not Not Perform an act", this in essential means asking to perform.

Now mathermatically,

lets take the number line

-7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7


now + and - are directions with respect to 0 on a number line. so when you say, you 2, you are on the positive side with 2 units. when you say -2 you are on the negative side with 2 units.

now essentialy, - is opposite of +, so -2 is opposite directionally to 2. -2 is nothing but moving 2 units opposite to 2. that is 2*(-1) denotes the negative direction of 2.

-2 is not a physically representable entity, its just means the opposite of 2.

now consider (-2)(*-1) that is opposite of -2, which is 2.
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I would consider it this way -

For instance, I say 'Let us watch this movie'.
'Let us not watch this movie' would be my opposite statement (negative).

Now if I say 'Let us not 'not watch this movie', it implies that let us watch the movie.

So, two negatives make a positive.

-2 times -4 is -(-8) which makes it +8.
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-1x-1 = 1 means taking negative of negative.....negative when applied on anything reverses it by definition.....where as positive when applied on anything enhances it.....so negative of negative is positive.....but positive of positive can only be positive
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Vjavasi:




bhayya.... according to me, there is no negative number at all if zero is sunya... the zero that is thought from sunya is not true translation.... sunya means that nothing exists.... where as for zero, there can exist sub zero temperatures... so zero is not exactly sunya.....

if zero is not sunya.... then its merely a mark on the scale. for xample the temperature at which water freezes.... but not sunya.... at sunya there wouldnt be temperature at all...... hence subzero temperatures are also marks on the scale of measurement till we reach absolute sunya....

i have talked purely in terms of temperature... because I felt it is easy to understand when we attribute what we talk to some example

I may be wrong, absolutely, but its just my IMO
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-10 + -10 + -10 + ...... = -100

then?


remove -100 from your debts.. if possible add all their properties to ur name since subbayya was killed by rajareddy ani N_U tammudu cheppamannadu :d
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some of my tweets on this... do these tweets have answer?


why negative multiplied by negative is positive? does it make physical sense?

negative of negative is positive but positive of positive is more positive?

negative is dependent on the existence of positive by definition, but positive has independent existence

can we think negative without first knowing positive of it?
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Linkmaster:

-10 + -10 + -10 + ...... = -100

then?




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Eluri_kurradu:

multiplication is nothing but adding multiple number of times ee angle lo alochinchandi chala examples dorukutayi




-10 + -10 + -10 + ...... = -100

then?
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please keep posting ur views.... i would share an interesting argument
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Positive times positive equals positive.

Negative times negative equals positive.

But the interesting thing is that when they juxtapose, negative wins. This is because negative means variance, variance means progress, and this motion is soul.
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If you are multiplying number x with y you are essentially adding x, y number of times.

i.e., x+x+...+x (y-times)

Fist let's understand what is negative, say -1. How you get a -1. if you take 1 out of nothing i.e, 0. So by -x I mean take x out of 0.

so -x * -y is same as

take -x, -y times from 0.

i.e., -(-x)-(-x)-...-(-x) (y-times).

Now the question is how does -(-x) becomes x.

We can understand it better if we consider metric space.

Lets say you and your friend stand facing each other and both are looking for directions for the post office which is 2 units away.
Your friend says that the post office is 2 units away to your right.
You say that the post office is 2 units away to your left.

Facing opposite to each other your left become his right, but the magnitude is same the orientation is opposite. The negative sign is the orientation of a number.
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Interesting question..looking forward to some nice answers!!


Electrons basha lo nenu try chestha

Electron is -ve elementary electric charge.....The laws of the Universe are set up such that bringing two electrons closer and closer together requires an input of more and more energy, with infinite energy required to force them to occupy the same space. Therefore it is simply impossible to bring two electrons together. If you ever find two free electrons in close proximity to each other, they will give off energy in order to get away from each other.

Source : Physics forums -> An attractive force has a negative potential energy and repelling force has positive energy ...(anduke -ve * -ve = +ve ani decide chesinattunnaru)
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vushnam vushnena seethalam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOgzdZqNtKQ&feature=player_embedded
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Vjavasi:


appuni negetive ga esukuntava positive ga esukuntava?

number is always positive appu anedi mundu negetive cherustundi
alage lekkallonchu runadathalu povadam kuda negetive

shatruvu ki shatruvu = mithrudu ane theory kuda math lonchi vachindi ani naa abhiprayam
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Eluri_kurradu:

pachiga cheppali ante neeku dabbulichinappudu -10 nee acount lo eskunnavu
no of donors account lo eskunnavu allandaru faction godavallo poyyaru anukundam appudu allani account lonchi teeseyyali ante again minus cheyyali ..
simple faction math





mastaru ee lekha ki rendu positive numbers saripotaayi kadha
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I want a proof or philosophical explanation with single units, not multiple things put together with random sign conventions....is there any solid physical basis?
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Eluri_kurradu:

simple faction math




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Vjavasi:

how do you add a negative number negative number of times?


negetive is runamu (-) runamichinollu matash (-)
pachiga cheppali ante neeku dabbulichinappudu -10 nee acount lo eskunnavu
no of donors account lo eskunnavu allandaru faction godavallo poyyaru anukundam appudu allani account lonchi teeseyyali ante again minus cheyyali ..
simple faction math
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Eluri_kurradu:

multiplication is nothing but adding multiple number of times ee angle lo alochinchandi chala examples dorukutayi





how do you add a negative number negative number of times?
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multiplication is nothing but adding multiple number of times ee angle lo alochinchandi chala examples dorukutayi
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if you owe $10 (-10) to 10 people and they write off (-10)
you are richer by +100
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like signs and unlike signs

also inverse ravadaniki
"Human affairs are like a chess-game:only those who do not take seriously can be called good players.Life is like an earthen pot:only when it is shattered,does it manifest its emptiness."

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negative ni negative tho divide chesthe positive avuthundhi andukeee

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why negative number multiplied by negative number gives a positive number

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