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Mrhyderabad:

Recent gaa vza govt hospital lo 10+ new born kids power leka chanipoyaaru. Similar incident in another place in AP few months ago.




bheeshmudu valla annalu type emo..ashta vasuvulu
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Okahyderabadi:

enti San Antonio nundi NJ ki bus lona




LOL that would give me a lot of reading time wouldn't it :-) business, not the road bus:-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Mrhyderabad:

Anand_n:

but next week NJ bus trip padettu undi


enti San Antonio nundi NJ ki bus lona
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if all is kurma, u r poori
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Okahyderabadi:

ain't everything if that is the case? science too?
we created science, we create reference values ahnd build theories and prove them. everything from concept of time to infinity is a theory that we somehow prove to be true




Sure :-) And we have the liberty to validate or negate those when evidence presents itself - that is the definition of a theory kada :-)


Mrhyderabad:

mail cheyandi NJ vasthe




will do once plans finalize :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Anand_n:

We both speak the same language...its a theory and its man made is what I think too


ain't everything if that is the case? science too?
we created science, we create reference values ahnd build theories and prove them. everything from concept of time to infinity is a theory that we somehow prove to be true :D
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Mrhyderabad:

mail cheyandi NJ vasthe




enduku one month taruvatha ippude mail choosanu ani reply ivvadanika
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Anand_n:

but next week NJ bus trip padettu undi


mail cheyandi NJ vasthe
Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of hours per day that were given to Helen Keller, Pasteur, Michaelangelo, Mother Teresea, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein
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Nisarga:

these kind of non falsifiable theories can be constructed aplenty. it would be more interesting to understand what necessitated or how these kind of theories were brought about.




We both speak the same language...its a theory and its man made is what I think too:-)


Nisarga:

introduction to ancient Indian history by DD Kosambi try chesara? whats ur take on his interpretations of mythology?




Chadavaledu andi - but next week NJ bus trip padettu undi and may have time to catch up on reading - online link or pdf unda and how big is it ? :-)

Nisarga:

how does it matter when there is no continuity in identity!!! what does it predict!! it is just used to maintain the status guo and make people accept the adversity.




Anduke continuing identity at the soul level - another unverifiable entity- ofcourse there are people ewho claim the ability to verify that :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Immotional_hatyachar:

is God there to give the hope/belief that truth will win in the end and do not loose ur confidence... all the things r being recorded... work ur way towards moksha?


recorded or not the idea is to attain moksha follow a principled life in the path of dharma - remember the 'dharmavyadha' story from bhagavatam.
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why laughing Bunty?
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Nisarga:

how does it matter when there is no continuity in identity!!! what does it predict!! it is just used to maintain the status guo and make people accept the adversity.


welcome to the thread. good point
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is God there to give the hope/belief that truth will win in the end and do not loose ur confidence... all the things r being recorded... work ur way towards moksha?

is he like mom/dad who gives you that good feeling when u express ur pains to them?
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Anand,

introduction to ancient Indian history by DD Kosambi try chesara? whats ur take on his interpretations of mythology?
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Mrhyderabad:

Why not?
at least as per hindu phila you should, right?

As per Gita n other sacred texts, life n death are fully controlled by vishnu/siva, right?




nope, karma antunnaru theists, athesists own doing antunnaru...everyone is speaking the same language anukuntunna :-)
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Mrhyderabad:

But the day will come when science can answer every question i guess




proabably but religion will still survive because it will


Nisarga:

make people accept the adversity


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Oohlala:

theists also don't attribute tragedies to God either.....


Why not?
at least as per hindu phila you should, right?

As per Gita n other sacred texts, life n death are fully controlled by vishnu/siva, right?
Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of hours per day that were given to Helen Keller, Pasteur, Michaelangelo, Mother Teresea, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein
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Nisarga:

Anand_n:
That is the beauty of karma siddhanta - it is because of their actions in past birth All people whose prarabdham is set to complete at a time , are congregated in a calamity zone for efficiency

People with a small loan instalment pay it off an leave at an early age

Within itself it is a complete theory - you cannot poke holes in it


how does it matter when there is no continuity in identity!!! what does it predict!! it is just used to maintain the status guo and make people accept the adversity.




these kind of non falsifiable theories can be constructed aplenty. it would be more interesting to understand what necessitated or how these kind of theories were brought about.
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Oohlala:

Sis, I think most of us assume prayer to be a good deed I.e with good intention and expectation, but mostly for selfish or personal reasons. That's why I feel prayer cannot accumulate good or neutralize bad karma. Lokakalyanam intent tho prayer chesina, there is no action involved kada, so how can it affect karma. It might give you the strength or focus to 'do' something good.




would there be a prayer sans seeking? btw, i am not sis, but bro :-).
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Oohlala:

but none of these four will give you an answer to those questions


Science has answered many questions till date... of course there are lot more to answer. But the day will come when science can answer every question i guess. May not happen in our life time though...

Religion has the same standard answer for these questions from the day it was born (or created). Look at how many questions have been answered by Science in the last 200 years.

If humans have only embraced religion and didn't pursue science then human life might have been extinct by now IMO. (Ref'ing to wide spead diseases that had potential to wipe us out many times)
Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of hours per day that were given to Helen Keller, Pasteur, Michaelangelo, Mother Teresea, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein
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Anand_n:

That is the beauty of karma siddhanta - it is because of their actions in past birth All people whose prarabdham is set to complete at a time , are congregated in a calamity zone for efficiency

People with a small loan instalment pay it off an leave at an early age

Within itself it is a complete theory - you cannot poke holes in it




how does it matter when there is no continuity in identity!!! what does it predict!! it is just used to maintain the status guo and make people accept the adversity.
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Anand_n:

Ikkada konchem dissonance undi ... you are born with a balance and have to pay it off and when its done you are at the end of the rebirth cycle(kind of like born a sinner and pay it off except over multiple births).


ok here is my take
we are born with a balance
- it could be our balance or somebody has done some karma against us or you have done some karma against somebody in previous life which needs to be repaid by either of us - karma kaali iddaru are born even though only one party is guilty here. final ga ekkado oka chota equal avutundi


Anand_n:

Prarabdham is apportioned based on how many janmas kada - is this number of instalments fixed to arrive at the amount ? Early payment thru extra suffering unda? Reason I ask-Remember the story of Jaya & Vijaya getting the choice of being born as good guys for 7 janmas or evil for 3 to pay off a curse - how does that math work ?


jaya vijaya vruttantam lo, 7 janmala bhakti or 3 janmala vairam at the end 'moksha' - blanket varam annamaata. so irrespective of what you do you will get moksha. jaya vijayulu swami nundi 7 janmala edabatu bharichaleka 3 janmala vairam chalu anukunnaru. The result is they are born to hate the lord but are thinking about him every second of their existence
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Mrhyderabad:

ilaanti heart wrenching tragedies (esp related to kids) vinnappudu antaa how do theists answer themselves?




I think we are all on the same page Hyder....just like atheists believe whatever they are today is of your own merit/hardwork/karma and not because of any merciful God....theists also don't attribute tragedies to God either.....
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Okahyderabadi:

the good things that are done to people are due to their good karma and the karma of the people who are doing it and similarly bad things get done to them due to their own bad karma or bad karma of the people who are doing it.




Ikkada konchem dissonance undi ... you are born with a balance and have to pay it off and when its done you are at the end of the rebirth cycle(kind of like born a sinner and pay it off except over multiple births).

Prarabdham is apportioned based on how many janmas kada - is this number of instalments fixed to arrive at the amount ? Early payment thru extra suffering unda? Reason I ask-Remember the story of Jaya & Vijaya getting the choice of being born as good guys for 7 janmas or evil for 3 to pay off a curse - how does that math work ? :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Hoospitals lo patients lack of recources valla chachipothe daniki devudu em chesthadu.. it is totally on the persons operating hospital and reegulatory institution overseeing it.

Monna calcutta lo oka private hospital lo fire valla chala mandi poyaru.. daaniki devudi ki link pedathama?

But.. i kind see your point in regards to Tsunami though.. if God is really there then why didnt he/she came down and stopped the tsunami with his little finger or atleast he/she could have balled up the waves and sent them to Saturn or jupiter..
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Oohlala:

My answer is simple. Religion survives because it answers three questions that every reflective person must ask. Who am I? Why am I here? How then shall I live? We will always ask those three questions because homo sapiens is the meaning-seeking animal, and religion has always been our greatest heritage of meaning. You can take science, technology, the liberal democratic state and the market economy as four institutions that characterise modernity, but none of these four will give you an answer to those questions that humans ask.


so ultimately it boils down to what you believe and don't
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Masularex:

but I agree that religion is a hogwash now. we have more convincing answers for our mundane questions and these answers negate existence of any type of super natural thing.




reminded me of this article I read recently....
The Limits of Secularism
http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/4264/full

a few excerpts:
We must ask ourselves why this is, because it is actually very odd indeed. Think about it: every function that was once performed by religion can now be done by something else. In other words, if you want to explain the world, you don't need Genesis; you have science. If you want to control the world, you don't need prayer; you have technology. If you want to prosper, you don't necessarily seek God's blessing; you have the global economy. You want to control power, you no longer need prophets; you have liberal democracy and elections.


If you're ill, you don't need a priest; you can go to a doctor. If you feel guilty, you don't have to confess; you can go to a psychotherapist instead. If you're depressed, you don't need faith; you can take a pill. If you still need salvation, you can go to today's cathedrals, the shopping centres of Britain — or as one American writer calls them, weapons of mass consumption. Religion seems superfluous, redundant, de trop. Why then does it survive?


My answer is simple. Religion survives because it answers three questions that every reflective person must ask. Who am I? Why am I here? How then shall I live? We will always ask those three questions because homo sapiens is the meaning-seeking animal, and religion has always been our greatest heritage of meaning. You can take science, technology, the liberal democratic state and the market economy as four institutions that characterise modernity, but none of these four will give you an answer to those questions that humans ask.
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Mrhyderabad:

Recent gaa vza govt hospital lo 10+ new born kids power leka chanipoyaaru. Similar incident in another place in AP few months ago.

Countless incidents of young girls (4-6 years of age) gang raped n sometimes killed

ilaanti heart wrenching tragedies (esp related to kids) vinnappudu antaa how do theists answer themselves?

Past life lo bhayanak deeds chesi vuntaaru so they get this kind of fate ani answer chesukuntaaraa?

God/Supreme power vunnadu but he doesn't interfere in day to day activities ani nammutaaraa? If that's the case then who writes the fate? or God some kind of robust automated program rasi vuntaadaa to decide the date based on past life deeds?


anni savyamga jarigite evariki credit istaro jaraganappudu vallane blamce cheyale kada tammi. Whether you believe it or nor is your choice, enno manchi panulu kooda jarugtunnayi lokam lo, avanni manchi valla valana jarutunnai ani meeru nammite, chedu jarigevi dushtula valla jarutayi ani nammali. what karma siddhantists believe in is, the good things that are done to people are due to their good karma and the karma of the people who are doing it and similarly bad things get done to them due to their own bad karma or bad karma of the people who are doing it.
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Recent gaa vza govt hospital lo 10+ new born kids power leka chanipoyaaru. Similar incident in another place in AP few months ago.

Countless incidents of young girls (4-6 years of age) gang raped n sometimes killed

ilaanti heart wrenching tragedies (esp related to kids) vinnappudu antaa how do theists answer themselves?

Past life lo bhayanak deeds chesi vuntaaru so they get this kind of fate ani answer chesukuntaaraa?

God/Supreme power vunnadu but he doesn't interfere in day to day activities ani nammutaaraa? If that's the case then who writes the fate? or God some kind of robust automated program rasi vuntaadaa to decide the date based on past life deeds?
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Anand_n:

That is the beauty of karma siddhanta - it is because of their actions in past birth:-) All people whose prarabdham is set to complete at a time , are congregated in a calamity zone for efficiency :-)



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Mrhyderabad:




That is the beauty of karma siddhanta - it is because of their actions in past birth:-) All people whose prarabdham is set to complete at a time , are congregated in a calamity zone for efficiency :-)

People with a small loan instalment pay it off an leave at an early age :-)

Within itself it is a complete theory - you cannot poke holes in it :-)
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Anand_n:


karma sidhantham antha ledu andi, I am talking about te frst one only
ee balance kooda oka scheme
It is not that complicated to realize if our actions are good or bad
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Mrhyderabad:

Question for those who strongly believe in Karma siddanth(including rollover effects from past life karma).. how would you answer the Haiti or Tsunami or any other events where thousands get killed in an instant.

What did they do wrong to deserve such a fate?

or should we simply exclude natural disasters from this philosophy?

Okavela natural disasters pakkana pettina man made mistakes/wars lo chanipoye thousands/lakhs of people fate ki answer enti?




collective karma may be. please remember karma is not baggage from this life only(according to believers) but from previous births. so its like a package deal for all people who die in such phenomenons either man made or natural IMHO
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Mrhyderabad:

how would you answer the Haiti




Pat Robinson , a well known American evangelist already answered this , no? He said Haitians made pact with Devil when they were ruled by napolean..inka indulo etuvanti ambiguity ledhu.
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Anand_n:

Money lo Kota Garu cheppinattu - same card, names different :-)

Different people hit existential questions at different times kada ...

Prati pelli gatecrash ayyi 'coffeelu taagara, tiffineelu tinnara' duo laga nenu matram 5 years ga prati thread religiously attending


each time we get a different perspective or may be something different, same case here. i used to follow many such discussions before.
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Question for those who strongly believe in Karma siddanth(including rollover effects from past life karma).. how would you answer the Haiti or Tsunami or any other events where thousands get killed in an instant.

What did they do wrong to deserve such a fate?

or should we simply exclude natural disasters from this philosophy?

Okavela natural disasters pakkana pettina man made mistakes/wars lo chanipoye thousands/lakhs of people fate ki answer enti?
Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of hours per day that were given to Helen Keller, Pasteur, Michaelangelo, Mother Teresea, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein
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Humpty_dumpty:

you will believe in only two things - money and karma




Just curious - is your definition of karma simply actions-consequences in current life or the karma siddhanta in totality ?

If its the latter, how do you think the account keeping of karmic balance happens and who does it ?:-)
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Humpty_dumpty:

religion is the most successful business ever invented by man
once you realize that, you will believe in only two things - money and karma



Masularex:


but I agree that religion is a hogwash now. we have more convincing answers for our mundane questions and these answers negate existence of any type of super natural thing. but these answers are difficult to comprehend and hard to accept by most people. many unscrupulous leaders are exploiting this learning disability. turning a common simpleton into a sword... trident wielding murderers... killing men... women... children and doing unthinakabe.




Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of hours per day that were given to Helen Keller, Pasteur, Michaelangelo, Mother Teresea, Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson, and Albert Einstein
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Kimura:

In my opinion.. religion is biggest hogwash in the history of mankind...


I strongly oppose... religion and belief in super natural things differentiated mankind from other animals. actually that was a big shift in our journey. that entire religion thing is a indication of our curiosity to learn about ourselves and about the nature. you can't expect same type of curiosity from a bull or a bird. just imagine, if a bird miraculously got few intellectual abilities and started asking questions, simple questions for us but still difficult for our bird to comprehend, like... why it rains? why the Sun shines? why day and night happens? why is death unavoidable? (I guess this question is still a mystery for the all mighty Man)like wise... if the same questioning frenzy continues... eventually the bird has to satisfy its intellectual thirst within available means. most likely answer that bird will get... from itself... is that some one with special powers is doing all that stuff. soon this some one will become a respectable person or a deity. thus starting a belief system which might be turning into some thing like a religion.

but I agree that religion is a hogwash now. we have more convincing answers for our mundane questions and these answers negate existence of any type of super natural thing. but these answers are difficult to comprehend and hard to accept by most people. many unscrupulous leaders are exploiting this learning disability. turning a common simpleton into a sword... trident wielding murderers... killing men... women... children and doing unthinakabe.

pity is that... the thing which made us apart from the other animals is now making us animals again!
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Okahyderabadi:

very often repeated topic laga undi indi in different flavours, we have had good number of threads discussing this many times




Money lo Kota Garu cheppinattu - same card, names different :-)

Different people hit existential questions at different times kada ...

Prati pelli gatecrash ayyi 'coffeelu taagara, tiffineelu tinnara' duo laga nenu matram 5 years ga prati thread religiously attending
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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My Opinion on getting rid of Karma is through 1) Raja Yoga and constant remembrance of GOD is major part of it. 2) To have a right Guru who can guide us to the realization.
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@hyd garu who am i ?? karma theory prakaram last janma lo itanu ee janma lo i m this ani cheppalenu i donno who am i :P
this is only id i have atleast in this site :-) eppudo register ayya (as a habit) but ippativaraku active ga lenu
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Kishorebharath:


who are u tammi? old Id endi?
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very often repeated topic laga undi indi in different flavours, we have had good number of threads discussing this many times.
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Beat22:

"Every action of yours will have a consequence, which may manifest itself now or in remote future" is the truth...and no...prayer will not change it, as there is no God sitting out there, delivering your karma to you




And because you can validate the veracity of that claim within a life make that past and future unverifiably remote over multiple janmas - you don't know what you did in the past so all your suffering now is because of your past ...society needs you to behave so fear of retribution in later janmas and reward of salvation keeps you on the straight and narrow ;)

And now I drifting way off topic into need theory :-)
Last night my son was asking me if the highest point of maslow's pyramid is self-actualization why would you want to get there ? What more is there to look forward to and it is very lonely at the top of any pyramid ? It was an excellent question and started a great discussion on why there is there is a time and age for everything - you can go slow and steady to the top or you can iterate the journey many times which is why we see the wild behavior of people who are successful too early or stripped off all constraints of lower level needs and be a creative child again :-)
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Thx EK garu book prastutaniki chadavalenu gani downloading ghantasala gari audio :-)
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Kishorebharath:

Both religion n prayer are false mirage as per me



well said... But for some, the mirage of an Oasis is essential to keep them moving....It gives them "Hope"...So..fine...nothing wrong in it...whatever works...to each his own....It worked for Mahatma Gandhi hehee
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Kishorebharath:

Karma theory gurunchi oka sari chadavali ny gud philosophical book please recommend
n abut prayer topic for me religion is like pain killer though it wont solve problem it atleast increase tolerance level ,prayer is part of process to cope up with this world tensions
Both religion n prayer are false mirage as per me




just read bhagavadgita. straight from the horse's mouth.
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Rasp, You are thinking tooooo muchh

When u strip the layers of enigma around it and look at the law of karma without any clutter in the mind, it is a very simple phenomenon!

It essentially means " your actions will have consequences"...or " When you set things in motion, there will be be consequences" and the consequences can be good or bad..If your actions are good, then there is a higher chance that the consequences will be fruitful, but not necessarily...it is still a chance

"Every action of yours will have a consequence, which may manifest itself now or in remote future" is the truth...and no...prayer will not change it, as there is no God sitting out there, delivering your karma to you

at the best, prayer can calm your mind, and make you focus on good deeds...
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Karma theory gurunchi oka sari chadavali ny gud philosophical book please recommend
n abut prayer topic for me religion is like pain killer though it wont solve problem it atleast increase tolerance level ,prayer is part of process to cope up with this world tensions
Both religion n prayer are false mirage as per me
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Rasputin:

I am soo curios to know, how evil I was in previous life.




Rasp, Karma ledu chintakayi ledu, be happy and be good now.
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Rasputin:

I just want to know, what did I do so wrong, to deserve such a fate.




nee fate ki emi ayindi.. kathi laga undi.. atleast db lo nuvvu disclose
chesina info prakaram ayite..
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Rasputin:

I am soo curios to know, how evil I was in previous life.



close up gatha janma rahasyam lo participate authe rajani kanth anukunta athani peru incarnation expert ninnu enni janmala kaina enakki theeskelthadu try to contact him
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If everything is because of Karma, then it would be great if we can somehow trace the current fortunes/misfortunes to the previous good/evil deeds.

I am soo curios to know, how evil I was in previous life.

Ee lifetime lo ayithey except being a bully in school, nenu antha pedda thappulemi cheyyaledu.

I just want to know, what did I do so wrong, to deserve such a fate.
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Nisarga:

may not be related to the thread but it reminds me of some of our old discussions in DB.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cm/v3/n2/jacques-mo nod-and-theistic-evolution




Good read :-)
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I think your question is based on two wrong assumptions.

1) karma is always from the past. Past karma dictates the present.
2) praying/prayer is a means to change the present/future

not going too deep into philosophy, let me answer your question just on the conceptual level.

karma is not what you inherited from the past. karma is activity. every activity is karma.

praying is a type of activity. praying is karma.

why pray-

there are three ways to attain moksha : Gnana yogam (by becoming a gnani and disseminating that knowledge), Yogi (by renouncing or sacrificing every thing and thus helping others) or by Bhakta (by praying and abstaining from bad activities).

as you see, when you pray, you have chosen the path of Bhakta to attain moksha. the activities of your praying, like a roster, is your karma.
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Last line read as...kaivalya and anand
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Nisarga:




It depends on the person whether he needs a communication with God or not. The thought of believing in a supreme force can be endearing to most believers. However I don't think God really cares or keeps a tally of who is communicating with him or not.

Sis, I think most of us assume prayer to be a good deed I.e with good intention and expectation, but mostly for selfish or personal reasons. That's why I feel prayer cannot accumulate good or neutralize bad karma. Lokakalyanam intent tho prayer chesina, there is no action involved kada, so how can it affect karma. It might give you the strength or focus to 'do' something good.

Btw, Anandini, nandini concepts kooda bagunnayyi just like normal anand :-)

Vjavasi, I think the issue is because people interpret prayer differently. As u said if prayer means a complete surrender, then I can imagine prayer affecting karma. However isn't that state Kai Alta as an and mentioned, so karma good/bad doesn't accrue......
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Nisarga:

why is this communication required at all? how does it matter to the supreme or individual!?





it's compulsion of individual to feel complete......he does it for his own pleasure or compulsion....supreme on his part doesn't interfere in his will but listens to his call
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it's interesting that man who can't maintain himself for a second without doing action for a purpose talks about chance and purposeless existence of life...the current situation of modern man is "when man wants to destroy himself, gods drive him crazy"
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Vjavasi:

communication with supreme




why is this communication required at all? how does it matter to the supreme or individual!?
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an interesting talk on "life and evolution are without an ultimate purpose" between Jacques Monod ( molecular biologist and noble laureate) and a radio host.

may not be related to the thread but it reminds me of some of our old discussions in DB.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cm/v3/n2/jacques-mo nod-and-theistic-evolution
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Nisarga:

what is prayer first off!!!




communication with supreme


Nisarga:

would the two ideas that what we pray to and the very act of prayer be compatible to each other??




both can't be seperated like object and subject
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what is prayer first off!!! would the two ideas that what we pray to and the very act of prayer be compatible to each other??
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Nisarga:

poddunne lechi puja chesukuni,kobbarikaya kotti,bottu pettu pettukuni ika ee rojantha emaina chesukovachu,ye tappu chesina emi kaadu ane conceptlo or strong feelinglo unde vallunte..ee prayersni advocate cheyyadam manchidena!!?




this type of prayer can't mitigate bad karma...only surrendering to supreme as in "sarva dharman parityajya..." of BG


Nisarga:


do we have the ground to blame the criminals who offered a girl to Gods( killed a girl in MP or some state recently) to gain favors from Gods while advocating prayers and all!!!




even prayer is in three modes....these kind of sacrifices are in the mode of tamas to appease bhutas and pretas, part of black magic
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as it is already mentioned here prayer could be a placebo effect.

poddunne lechi puja chesukuni,kobbarikaya kotti,bottu pettu pettukuni ika ee rojantha emaina chesukovachu,ye tappu chesina emi kaadu ane conceptlo or strong feelinglo unde vallunte..ee prayersni advocate cheyyadam manchidena!!?

do we have the ground to blame the criminals who offered a girl to Gods( killed a girl in MP or some state recently) to gain favors from Gods while advocating prayers and all!!!

this is not to offend anybody but curious to know how people reconcile these kind of conflicts.
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only IF one realize his/her wrong doing that gave him/her bad karma and try to correct it in which case prayer is insignificant anyway




focussing and surrendering to supreme is prayer.....repenting is just a part of it
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Kishorebharath:

offtopic: just out of curiosity anand_n means u r name anandini or A nandini (ignore n excuse me if it is not relavant)



Neither - old hrishida movie khoobsoorat lo oka dialogue untundi - hum yahan kisi ka dil dukane ke liye nahi aaye, hum sirf nirmal anand ke liye aaye hain :-)

Seemed apt for DB entry - Nirmal anand id dorakaledu so anand nirmal to anand_n ayyindi :-)

Coming to topic - nothing wrong is presenting your ideas on these theories- it's all part of the inquiry process.. Andaram chestundi ade ikkada :-)

Karma theory lo 4 types - if I use the debt credit analogy simplistically
Sanchita : total balance of all lives
Prarabdha : karma balance in current instalment(Janma)
Agama: new loans and deposits in this Janma that add to Sanchita
Kriyamana : miscellaneous expenses that you incur and pay off in this instalment - short term give and take:-)

Prayer could possibly be part of agama is what I suggested :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Vjavasi:

prayer by surrendering to god works as antidote of bad karma


only IF one realize his/her wrong doing that gave him/her bad karma and try to correct it in which case prayer is insignificant anyway
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karma can be cancelled....prayer by surrendering to god works as antidote of bad karma...however we shouldn't expect prayer to fulfil our specific desires immediately, then it's no surrender
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Prayer doesn't really help...At the best it can exert a placebo effect.

Karma is inexorable, infallible, immutable and inevitable...

topic iz vover

gawd bless ammaaa
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Karma is our adding of impressions based on our likes and dislikes. However nature wants us to make pure and it always tries to neutralize.Hence the effects. Naaku telisindi cheppa, dobbakandi.
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prathodi ki some negative apanammakam ane vi untayi....
so u have to beliebe some ezternal force shakthi which is God...
Manu ppl have fear of GOd whivh is good
ఎంత చికాగో యునివర్సిటీ లో చదువుకున్నా చిలక్కొట్టుడికి సరైన ఇంగ్లీషు పదం దొరుకుతుందా..!!
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kshamichandi naa chitti matti burra ikkada chappinivi emi artam kaledu ayina ubalatam aapukoleka nenu naalugu matalu cheppesta
As per hindu religion karma is wat u carried from last janma or carnation so last janma lo anni correct cheste ee janma lo u will born as high caste lo pudatavu (acc to brahminical hinduism) indirect ga dont Question existing injustice its all becasue of last janma u r suffering for me karma is more of tool to maintain social order at time
sankarcharya garu aham brahmasmi annaru nene devunni ayinappudu thr is nothing like karma good deads will bring u closer to god in u r self
luthern,cavin protestants lo koncham similar karma concept which says u r life is glorification of god made them do wonders mana daggara same thing after ancient period led to stagnation of life
PS: i still didnt thought wat is purpose of life n all nor like osama bin laden after having fun at lebanon night clubs didnt searched meaning of life in religion ,soon if i know more abut life may be i will got to knw more abt the karma u talked abt :-)
offtopic: just out of curiosity anand_n means u r name anandini or A nandini (ignore n excuse me if it is not relavant)
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Executor:

gidemi logic. Good deeds accumulate good karma, bad deeds accumalte bad karma, and neutramul deeds accumulate no karma anukunte, is prayer considered a good deed? if so, why? I think prayer is considered a neutramul deed




Aap kaun ? Do I know you from a past life {i.e.old id}?
The question is dependent on the nature of the deed ... If you were praying for your enemy to suffer is that a good deed or bad ?:-) the good or bad is usually not in the act - it is in the intention of and expectation from the act:-)

If you believe karma siddhantham , at a state of kaivalya, when you are able to act without expecting anything from it , no karma accrues- good or bad :-)

So prayer can be good , bad or neutral based on why you are praying :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Anand_n:

Have to run Will do it later -but simmple explanation is Karma is an accumulation of all your deeds and prayer is also a deed




gidemi logic. Good deeds accumulate good karma, bad deeds accumalte bad karma, and neutramul deeds accumulate no karma anukunte, is prayer considered a good deed? if so, why? I think prayer is considered a neutramul deed
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Immotional_hatyachar:




prayer is intention. i personally believe intention has tremendous power.

Just like newtonian mechanics can not explain Double slit experiment, Karma logic may not explain the working of intention and attitude.
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Oohlala:

sis, idi konchem elaborate cheyandi




Have to run :-) Will do it later -but simmple explanation is Karma is an accumulation of all your deeds and prayer is also a deed :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Humpty_dumpty:

nope but these days fills the coffers for ppl doing puja, flowers supplier, milk man, bommana brothers etc
so it ij all bijiness ani munduku povaala


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Kimura:

is his karma of slapping someone going to fade away or have lesser effect



Yes. Next time when someone slaps this man, he will experience lesser pain.
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Kimura:

lets say a man went and slapped someone and went and prayed to god.. is his karma of slapping someone going to fade away or have lesser effect on what he may experience as a direct effect of the original karma?




no it won't, it certainly might help us to do better in future but will not impact the past action ...again my view
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Cocanada:

keka question

does prayer change karma?




Everyone has their own reason to pray, howveer I believe that prayer doesn't change karma.


Anand_n:

Technically, why not ? Karma is nothing but work/action and prayer is an action



sis, idi konchem elaborate cheyandi
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Humpty_dumpty:

if prayer good karma or bad karma?




Define good and bad karma first and I will give you the answer you your question :-)
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lets say a man went and slapped someone and went and prayed to god.. is his karma of slapping someone going to fade away or have lesser effect on what he may experience as a direct effect of the original karma?

disclaimer.. please dont get offended or take any of this personally.. i am just trying to figure out answers like the thread initiator Immotional..
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Anand_n:

Technically, why not ? Karma is nothing but work/action and prayer is an action


if prayer good karma or bad karma?
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Cocanada:

does prayer change karma?


nope but these days fills the coffers for ppl doing puja, flowers supplier, milk man, bommana brothers etc
so it ij all bijiness ani munduku povaala
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Cocanada:

does prayer change karma?




Technically, why not ? Karma is nothing but work/action and prayer is an action :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Immotional_hatyachar:


keka question

does prayer change karma?
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ayite ok

endukante puja yes or no does not matter
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manam edava pani chesi God daggara puja cheste God siksha taggistada? If God is really, God will not do that



God ni hridayam tho poojinche vadu edava pani seyyadannai
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.there is no life after death.



yes prove chesina vaallu unnaru there is a life after death
chandra mohan roja already prove chesaru edho program lo choosa :D
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Immotional_hatyachar:

acharalu




Poddune Science friday lo question vinnanu - why can sugar pills heal pain for some ?

The answer is the placebo effect - the psychosomatic healing power of believing it will work :-) meeru adigina daniki kuda answer ade :-)

And it takes the mind of the sufferer off the issue and gives him/her an empowering feeling of taking control over their destiny :-)

All good for the psyche instead of wallowing in self-pity :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Kimura:

how do you know all of this?



annai nenedho general ga cheppa dhaanike pedha vedam cheppinattu eti ee qn ? :D
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poojas vrathas are like subsidy programs if you follow this rituals almighty could decrease the interest rate on that or sometimes elapse the debt.




manam edava pani chesi God daggara puja cheste God siksha taggistada? If God is really, God will not do that
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poojas vrathas are like subsidy programs if you follow this rituals almighty could decrease the interest rate on that or sometimes elapse the debt.
the more good you do the more you are paying back the more bad you do you are increasing the bad debt which may follow next janma also.




prove chesina vallu evaranna vunnara? its all our illusion..there is no life after death.
I'm not a Saint.
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Twitter.. mee deggara chaala detail undi.. how do you know all of this?
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Immotional_hatyachar:

then why gods n temples... just do good deeds... no?

why doshalu and acharalu?




karma is a debt you have to pay back what so ever the reason..
poojas vrathas are like subsidy programs if you follow this rituals almighty could decrease the interest rate on that or sometimes elapse the debt.
the more good you do the more you are paying back the more bad you do you are increasing the bad debt which may follow next janma also.
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In my opinion.. religion is biggest hogwash in the history of mankind...
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Immotional_hatyachar:

then why gods n temples.


definitely not for what we usually hear
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religion is the most successful business ever invented by man
once you realize that, you will believe in only two things - money and karma

peace!
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Immotional_hatyachar:

then why gods n temples...




to seek energy for doing good deeds
A diamond with a flaw is better than a common stone that is perfect.
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Immotional_hatyachar:




Just for satisfaction

100 vrataalu
Upsvaasalu poojal sesins
Chesina or chestunna or cheyabotunna
Karma phalutaanni kinchittu kooda
Maarchaleru

Inclusive of GOD
Driving is my PASSION. No matter of what I must reach my Final Destination.
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Immotional_hatyachar:

then why gods n temples... just do good deeds... no?

temples are for good deeds


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then why gods n temples... just do good deeds... no?

why doshalu and acharalu?

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