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     Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 8564 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: |
This is exactly my point. Google on what BJP said in the Parliament on this. Now you know why I call them two faced. And what ever DMK says on this is BS.
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/lokpal.pdf PSC report on Lokpal. What is JP doing for Kukatpally? What is JP doing for Kukatpally(in Telugu) | ||
| Arav_m Junior Artist Username: Arav_m Post Number: 34 Registered: 04-2011 Posted From: 216.144.184.86 Rating: N/A |
Factors considered by PSC based on JP's recommendations: http://www.loksatta.org/cms/documents/lokpal/DrJPPresentatio nToStandingCommitteeExtract.pdf Document submitted by JP to Parliament standing Committee: http://www.loksatta.org/cms/documents/lokpal/SuggestedAmendm entsToLokpal2011-09-01.pdf Other Loksatta documents on fighting corruption: http://www.loksatta.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&vie w=article&id=888&Itemid=144 | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 8563 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 184.155.130.210 Rating: |
Take Indian Police, or IPC. They all work in states according to the framework created by central laws. If there is no problem with them, why with Lokayukta? What is wrong if the Center wants to create uniformity in Lokayuktas? More over it is not a Congress' demand. It is JP, and Team Anna's demand. This is not a question of Congress being correct, or BJP. It is a question of what the country needs. The Center at least when presented with a proper argument agreed on Lokayuktas. Other parties calling them anti-corruption crusaders are not doing even that. Bengal, some BJP ruled states do not even have a Lokayukta. What are their state Govts doing then? Does it not tell you something? What is JP doing for Kukatpally? What is JP doing for Kukatpally(in Telugu) | ||
| Kishorebharath Junior Artist Username: Kishorebharath Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 182.68.171.250 Rating: |
hmm may be i m reading too many Conspiracy theories now a days i over reacted i guess, ncoming to bjp reservation at PSC thats wht they said Provision of State Lokayuktas in this Act: It needs to be carefully examined whether dealing with Services of the State could beprovided for by a central legislation. List II Entry 41 deals with the state public services. It isa subject in the State List. If Constitutionally permitted, we may in this regard have a lawunder Article 253 or pass an enabling provision under Article 252 in order to provideuniformity throughout the country. In either case this could be done by a Central legislation. AIADMK dissent @ PSC Art. 246 of the Constitution empowers the states to make law with respect to any ofthe matters enumerated in list-III of the Seventh Schedule of the Indian Constitution. Byexercising the powers provided under Art. 253 of the Constitution has indicated in the draft report, the Centre attempts to over-ride the independence of the State and relegate the States to a subordinate position. This is quite unacceptable. The concept of federalism, as mandatedby the Constitution does not allow the Center to treat the States with over-riding powers and authority. Strong States are vital to a stable and strong Center. The Constitution does not make any difference between Centre and States and the concurrent list enjoyed by the Centre and the States should be to serve the interest of both the limbs. Hence, I strongly advocate that the states should be given freedom to constitute Lokayukta and the State Legislature should be allowed to decide when and in what manner such a body (Lokayukta) has to be created. The Center's directions in this regard through a Lokpal Act as contemplated in the Committee’s report is unwarranted and unjustifiable. coming to topic i m not supporting BJP if vote came into picture it might have voted in support of TMC n people would have known its true face n thn the points u said in original post would have been true but first congress was afraid evn for voting n "still saying it done great job" i wont support that argument  n reg money laundering bill n other bills their imapct about state list n centre list in 7thschedule i donno ,i would quickly read DD basu n laxmikanth in 15days we will have discussion on constitutional validity n all :P <3 | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 8562 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 184.155.130.210 Rating: N/A |
There is no threat to federalism with this bill. BJP has no point at all, and all it is doing is pure politics. This bill is nothing like article 356. There are many bills passed at center that affect states. One example NDA Govt itself passed the money laundering bill that affects states. It is Team Anna and JP that pressed for inclusion of Lokayukta. Not the center. BJP agreed to Lokayuktas in the PSC. What is JP doing for Kukatpally? What is JP doing for Kukatpally(in Telugu) | ||
| Anand_n Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 10935 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.147.78.108 Rating: N/A |
good analysis - with the first step people can plainly see their leaders and whether they are willing to put their money where their mouth is when it comes to anti-corruption aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Kishorebharath Junior Artist Username: Kishorebharath Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2007 Posted From: 182.68.171.250 Rating: |
@rocks i donno much abt loksatta contribution can u give me some pdf's so tht i can read them coming to u r analysis nice analysis idle is telling congress brought best bill atleast as per its capability lemme throw some light on it based how indian politics works with limited knowledge congress: After series of self goals it prepared complex bill with aim to score some brown points which at end led to them to make another self goal first coming to federalism : why allies will resist if there isn't valid reason that it will disturb thm politically ,n why do u think congress will strong on only this sections which ny way made weak lokpal (dont tell its because of sense of house resolution) join this lokayuktha with politically biased selection it end turn out as another tool like article 356 as every state bound to commit corruption they can use this tool in opp ruled states it would be good make selection aplotical and thn introduce lokayukta act article 352 point rised by bjp is good point but their intension they just want politically corner congress they are not supporter of lokpal either Coming to game changer constitution status my my rahul u r master make bill weak n thn made amendements hard to make unless congress agrees (it will have considerable members even it is in opposition) wat an idea sir ji!! And third abut wordings they told they want representation (not resevation) of wome,minorities,sc,st etc.. n again saying it should be less than 50% which in turn makes its reservation which bound to be struck null valid by SC ,so people can cry on SC which is doing considerable work in 2g case i would like congress to add such 50% represe in other sectors like counsil of ministers,army,judiciary, then even with pm if once gen is pm next time it must be obc thn women ,minority so on we want equal representation right !! <3 | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 8556 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Judiciary ki ledaa autonomy, EC ki ledaa, on the same lines ivvachu. Chala countries lo police, investigation agencies independent gaa work chestunte, India lo possible kaada? Oka vishayam oppukovachu, Rajyasabha lo fail avvataniki Cong karanam kaadu. BJP, TMC etc are the main culprits. Logical gaa argue cheste konni oppukunnaru, deentlo Cong kante, argue chesina vallake ekkuva credit ivvali. Only 50% endukante asalu 60yrs lo majority time power lo undi, desam lo intha corruption unte, anti-corruption law ki intha time teeskunnanduku. Adi marchipothe ela? What is JP doing for Kukatpally? What is JP doing for Kukatpally(in Telugu) | ||
| Gandhiguevara Megastar Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 22876 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 66.151.13.188 Rating: N/A |
Indiarocks gaaru idhi cheppandi...CBI ki autonomy ivvadam ante Frankenstein's Monster ni create cheyyadam ye avuthundhi kadhaa? | ||
| Idle_yzag Legend Username: Idle_yzag Post Number: 34272 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 198.80.144.187 Rating: N/A |
okkka CBI autonomy ke 50% ante kastam mastaru, constitutional body anta SC challange chesevi takkuv anukunta vella operations ni, inthakanna yekkuv yevaru chestharu, democracy process lo yennikina govt ki CBI ni handle cheykunda autonomy ivvala? just curious to know ikkada effBiyeee kuda autonomy na? RahulGandhi/JP/Chiru | ||
| Gandhiguevara Megastar Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 22873 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 66.151.13.188 Rating: N/A |
ante enti mee vudhesam??? | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 8554 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
where? here in the DB?
CBI autonomy lekapothe inkenduku? Constitutional body ani oka paragraph add cheste constitution lo kothaga kothaga vache use enti? Anduke 50% credit ichanu. What is JP doing for Kukatpally? What is JP doing for Kukatpally(in Telugu) | ||
| Idle_yzag Legend Username: Idle_yzag Post Number: 34271 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 198.80.144.187 Rating: N/A |
everything shud come in process, we are the once who are hearing constantly to civil society, but look at around, how many ppl are tying to pull our legs and these AH team, Not even thinking to praising and started mudslinging in reverse on us. okkadanate okkadu support cheyadu malli, CBI autonomy badulu constitutional body chesthmannaru, give and take u shud compromise RahulGandhi/JP/Chiru | ||
| Goonda Hero Username: Goonda Post Number: 17645 Registered: 02-2007 Posted From: 69.225.233.60 Rating: N/A |
meeru bay area lo ekkada vundedhi? Sasibabu: If TDP loses next elechens, i will donate 10% of my salary to TDP Btw.. I AM NOT ADMIN | ||
| Gandhiguevara Megastar Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 22866 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 66.151.13.188 Rating: N/A |
AP Hazare ki asalu example JP ...both are uzeless | ||
| Oohlala Comedian Username: Oohlala Post Number: 1683 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 173.36.196.10 Rating: N/A |
was wondering why there wasn't any discussion on Lokpal....
yep but the general perception was that congress did it finally but with a lot of reluctance. After all the scams and corruption charges mounted against them, they should have been much more forthcoming and engaged. Instead they arrested Anna and it seemed like we had to wiggle the bill out of them. imho | ||
| Idle_yzag Legend Username: Idle_yzag Post Number: 34267 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 198.80.144.187 Rating: N/A |
ee na kondegallu baga xtralu dobbuthunaru, last min changes techi em sadidham ani? RahulGandhi/JP/Chiru | ||
| Idle_yzag Legend Username: Idle_yzag Post Number: 34266 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 198.80.144.187 Rating: N/A |
CBI autonomy tappa anni chesaru, inkem kavali? RahulGandhi/JP/Chiru | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 8553 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: |
Mana Andhra Hazare drama. http://telugudesam.org/tdpagainstcorruption/wp-content/theme s/tdpac/images/headers/path.jpg  What is JP doing for Kukatpally? What is JP doing for Kukatpally(in Telugu) | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 8552 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Mamatha benarjee Left party manaki competition kabatti valla vishayam lo pathivratha.
What is JP doing for Kukatpally? What is JP doing for Kukatpally(in Telugu) | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 8551 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Adi inkaa foolishness ayyedi. Govt daggara bill draft lekunda, asalu PSC form avvakunda ela pass chestaru. Poni Team Anna bill emanna perfect gaa undaa. Picha comedy points unnayi andulo kooda which were worse than the Govt's views. Asalu ippudu kooda bill fail avvataniki main reasons BJP and Trinamool. Govt. kante ekkuva kasta paddaru nakinchadaniki. What is JP doing for Kukatpally? What is JP doing for Kukatpally(in Telugu) | ||
| Nsk9876 Side Hero Username: Nsk9876 Post Number: 2837 Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 198.204.133.208 Rating: N/A |
Anna ni Delhi lo jail lo pettinappudu public lo movement baaga vachhindi... Recent ga Bombay lo past chesinapudu public response sarigga ledu ani cheputhunna... Last time delhi lo chesnappude inka strong or bill pass ayyentha varaku appude conyinue chesi vunte ippudu ee issues vachhevi kaavu... ani naa opinion... | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 8550 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Mee comment artham kaledu. Last time enti, strong gaa implement cheyatam enti? Public bagane support chesaru, but they were misled. What is JP doing for Kukatpally? What is JP doing for Kukatpally(in Telugu) | ||
| Thelegend Moderator Username: Thelegend Post Number: 9369 Registered: 04-2008 Rating: N/A |
monna evaro oka doctor uncle Annahazare movement ni paiki lepindi ee desam batch annaru along with movements against mubarak and gadafi  | ||
| Gandhiguevara Megastar Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 22847 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 66.151.13.188 Rating: N/A |
Asalu yee total farce lo corruption is better than this circus anna stage techaaru | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 8549 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
Lokpal ni never believed and supported aa. Idem logic babu. Ante Swamy gariki anti-corruption law vadda? What is JP doing for Kukatpally? What is JP doing for Kukatpally(in Telugu) | ||
| Raman Side Hero Username: Raman Post Number: 4051 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: N/A |
lokapal ni | ||
| Nsk9876 Side Hero Username: Nsk9876 Post Number: 2836 Registered: 09-2010 Posted From: 198.204.133.208 Rating: N/A |
maama... ee total episode lo... main INDIA PUBLIC doshulu... Last time chesinappude inka strong ga implement chesi vundalsindi... ee sari... enduko public antha interest choopinchaledu... Looks like public last time participated as this one is another typical cultural event in their routine life... | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 8548 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: N/A |
never believed and supported aa, evarni? What is JP doing for Kukatpally? What is JP doing for Kukatpally(in Telugu) | ||
| Raman Side Hero Username: Raman Post Number: 4047 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: N/A |
he never believed and supported atanu enduku cheyyali?? | ||
| Gandhiguevara Megastar Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 22846 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 66.151.13.188 Rating: |
hehehe ...Joke kadooo | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 8545 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 207.141.5.253 Rating: |
Sare, Lokpal agitation incomplete gaa end ayyindi. Kaani oka movement vachindi, may not be the best Lokpal law, but some law will come in a year or so. Ee total episode lo evaru sincere gaa, nijam gaa pani chesaru, evaru dramalu adaru chooddamu, after reading the report by Parliament Standing committee (PSC). 1. Team Anna: Desam motham lo oka anti-corruption fever create cheyatam lo success ayyaru. Total credit to them on this. Kaani popularity raagane memu pattina kundelu ki moode kaallu type lo modalu pettaru. Idi pakkana pedithe court lo, PSC mundu, prajala mundu they did their job sincerely. 2. Congress: Anna ni arrest chesi blunder chesaru. CVC ki autonomy ivvaledu. Thappani paristiti lo Lokayukta ki oppukunnaru. Siggu lekunda CBI ni valla control lo pettukunnaru. So, 50% ok, 50% toothless Lokpal prepare chesaru. 3.BJP: As usual two faced. PSC lo yes for Lokayukta. Parliament lo godava. Comedy enti ante veellu Lokpal ni main gaa oppose chesindi CVC/CBI ki autonomy ledu ani kaadu. Lokayukta pettali vaddu deeni meeda state control undali ani. Shameless fellows, Lokpal bill nakeyataniki #2 reason. 4.Trinamool Cong: Shameless party. Peruki anti-corruption crusader. Mana state lo mathram lokayukta vadhu. Current bill nakeyataniki #1 reason. 5. Subbu Swamy: Swamy gaaru courts lo individuals meeda bagane fight chestaru. Kaani Lokpal (the most important legislation wrt anti-corruption) PSC mundu absent. Zero contribution by India's greatest anti-corruption crusader (for some ppl). 6.TDP: Inko siggu leni party. Ikkademo support Anna Hazare ani drama padayathra, eenadu lo photo. Kaani PSC mundu mathram bebebe. Totally absent, and no contribution. OPPOSED the bill in the Houses. 7.YSRC:  8. Lok Satta: Sincerely contributed in court (against 2G), with the PSC, and among people. Almost every point in the report mentions Dr.JP's arguments with valid reasons. JP one of the main reasons we have a bill even of this form. Lokayuktas ni kooda include cheyataniki sole reason JP. Ippudu konthamandi vachi PSC mundu chebithene fight chesinatta antaru. A BIG YES, BCOZ THAT IS WHERE THE BILL WILL BE DRAFTED. As long as India remains a parliamentary democracy, PSC is the highest platform to make REAL difference. PSC lo konthamandi common citizens like Harish Salve, former Chief Justices, IPS, NGOs sincere gaa valla arguments chepparu. Kaani MPs, MLAs unna political parties mathram absent. What is JP doing for Kukatpally? What is JP doing for Kukatpally(in Telugu) |
