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what is apples here?




I meant kids/schools from similar back ground.


Xxx:

In India you have many other options , here nothing ., I cannot do anything; I have to move to somewhere else and try my luck;
Private schooling , only few can afford.




Yes, there are many options in India. Yes, private schools are expensive here. It is your choice, keep kids in Public School and work with them to make sure they are doing good OR cut other expenses and send them to private schools OR move into good school districts OR move back to Desam where we have lots of options. I know plenty of families who chose second or third options.


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Here kids have rigths, don't hit, don't hurt my feelings, I don't want to discuss , You are mean , I want to a night out ,. etc




Aaj kal desam loney evvadu pillalni kotttam ledu, inka US gurinchi complaining anthey kastam tammi. Infact, there are strict government instructions to teachers not to use corporal punishments on kids.
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Yes, that will be the case in any country. Do you think kids in India thrive re:education in remote villages where there are no schools/no teachers? Compare apples to apples.




what is apples here? Public and Private !

In India you have many other options , here nothing ., I cannot do anything; I have to move to somewhere else and try my luck;
Private schooling , only few can afford.

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Here kids have rigths, don't hit, don't hurt my feelings, I don't want to discuss , You are mean , I want to a night out ,. etc
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{Nsk9876,when he knows how to operate a calculator, I think he don't need to know that... And if he knows how to operate a calculator he can know the answer for 4444444444444444444444 X 6 also... where ur 4th class kid, even after spending whole life time, can never calculate without calculator for that...

I hope I answered ur question...}

in a practical world , in a daily life you need to know 4 * 6 or 100 -2 not wired caliculations, anyways if you feel a kid should not learn tables , there is nothing to discuss, opinion differs , peace!

Anyways this thread is not about obama tax cuts
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Xxx:

Who are the peers?? the kids from the rest of the world or the kids in US?





Dreamcatcher:

I can confidently say that overall they are at much higher level than their peers in our education system.




When I said our, I meant our indian education system.


Xxx:

Every indian kids will go to Kumon, or tution or get trained in house and they will definetly be ahead of rest,




That is a sweeping statement, 'majority' of the indian kids go to Kumon/Score/Tution, yes, not all indian kids. That is because of our culture. Great number of non-asian kids do well in schools here. A kid doing well in school depends on his home environment and how stable family is or how committed parents are when it comes to kids education.




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if you live in a schooling zone where there are no classrooms and no teachers and then it is much diffcult




Yes, that will be the case in any country. Do you think kids in India thrive re:education in remote villages where there are no schools/no teachers? Compare apples to apples.
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a fourth grade kid will not know 4 X 6 = ; he needs a caliculator ;


when he knows how to operate a calculator, I think he don't need to know that... And if he knows how to operate a calculator he can know the answer for 4444444444444444444444 X 6 also... where ur 4th class kid, even after spending whole life time, can never calculate without calculator for that...

I hope I answered ur question...
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dantlo thappu emundi... maa thodalludi koduku eluru lo chaduvuthunnadu... in 7th class he needs to do everyday at least 11/12 pages homework... vaadu prati roju literal ga aa work cheyyaleka naaku chetulu noppi puduthunnayi... ante vadina prati roju kaneesam oka 4/5 pages chestundi... mari chaduvuthundi thallo koduko naaku ardham kaledu aa scene lo...

assalu idantha enduku... meeku matram theliyada... ee vishayalu... they always prefer quantity... here may be you know... that home work has some schedule/limitation... like 2nd class kid can get home work which can be done in 10 minutes... like...
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Nsk9876:

ikkada study lo productivity/quality vuntundi... where india study lo quantity okkate vuntundi...




All the kids who go to school in US are not indian kids,

a fourth grade kid will not know 4 X 6 = ; he needs a caliculator ;
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ikkada study lo productivity/quality vuntundi... where india study lo quantity okkate vuntundi...




ittanti sweeping stmts deniki mastaru
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Then, I am surprised at your statement. There are lot of misconceptions about US education system in people who are not experienced/exposed to the system. And your statement is similar to those. I have two kids in public schools here, and I can confidently say that overall they are at much higher level than their peers in our education system.




. I have two kids in public schools here, and I can confidently say that overall they are at much higher level than their peers in our education system

Who are the peers?? the kids from the rest of the world or the kids in US?

If you are comparing if the kids US, there you go ... ; :-)

Every indian kids will go to Kumon, or tution or get trained in house and they will definetly be ahead of rest,

Generally Indians live in a better schooling zone, and they are ok with studies, but if you live in a schooling zone where there are no classrooms and no teachers and then it is much diffcult
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Xxx:

kids does not even learn even alphabets in grade 1 .


bedaru... looks like you have not experienced or feel here's education system...

My kid went to India... and he went to with his cousin's school... and surprised all in class by my kid's questions to teacher... alphabets nerpiste no... leka pagilaku pagilu batti pattiste... ade chaduvu anukuntunnava enti house theesi... and ikkada maa vadu peru ki 6th but he is doing 8th grade maths... don't think that we are behind the India's education... ikkada study lo productivity/quality vuntundi... where india study lo quantity okkate vuntundi...
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great aruguments.. try to learn alphabets...
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Dreamcatcher:

I have two kids in public schools here, and I can confidently say that overall they are at much higher level than their peers in our education system.



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yes




Then, I am surprised at your statement. There are lot of misconceptions about US education system in people who are not experienced/exposed to the system. And your statement is similar to those. I have two kids in public schools here, and I can confidently say that overall they are at much higher level than their peers in our education system.
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Do you have kids who go to school here?




yes
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It all boils down to 'who can do my work for cheaper' for a company because it is a 'business' and they are after profits. If labor is cheap in China, work goes there. To mitigate that, labor has to be cheap in US. For that to happen, everything else has to go down as well, and eventually people's life standards have to go down. Is US Labor ready to do that? if not, manufacturing jobs will never come back to US. It is as simple as that.
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Xxx:

kids does not even learn even alphabets in grade 1 .




Do you have kids who go to school here?
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Thanks bro...
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Raajakeeyam:

Entikaburlu:

Tenali_rk:

Off the topic... employer manaki 50 $ per hour istunnadanuko... mana
year salary enta?? take home(after all taxes) enta vastadi... TIA



ANY IDEA...??? telusaa meeki...




http://www.paycheckcity.com/calculator/hourly/us/alabama/hou rlycalculator.html

check here and enter your hours..ex:160 and do the math. it is easy
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Entikaburlu:

so, why is it greed? Isn't profit maximization the basic principle of running any business?




Yes it is....But, don't ask for more spending to help the unemployed(whose skills cannot get him the non-existing jobs), which in turn comes out my pocket(I am in 39% bracket). Use 40% or 50% dividend tax instead of taxing already taxed.....
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okay, i have to hit the sack- did not realize its past midnight..
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Tenali_rk:

But, companies are hell bent on increasing profits(code word for pure greed)




But, so am I, so are you, so is every one and his pert cat. what is different? when you buy a stock, and sell it, are you not looking for maximizing your profits?

so, why is it greed? Isn't profit maximization the basic principle of running any business?

This "greed" and all such hokey concepts are dished out for playing to electorate at the time of elections, and converting the problem into a moral one, rather than a solvable one.
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Entikaburlu:

That's not greed. That's using a rule to your advantage




The Corporation's are using lobbyists to bend the rules to the advantage...


Entikaburlu:

Two weeks ago, Ashton bough 7 Touchpads for 99 and sold some of them on EBay for 250. Is that greed? No. It is an opportunity. he used it.




But, Ashton did not convince HP to sell it for 99. The company made that decision.

In the above mentioned chart, the Corp's out of pure greed are making a smoke and mirrors case of stimulating the economy(adding jobs)(using the expatriated earnings), which was proved as a Mirage in 2005....
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Entikaburlu:

Tenali_rk:

Off the topic... employer manaki 50 $ per hour istunnadanuko... mana
year salary enta?? take home(after all taxes) enta vastadi... TIA




ANY IDEA...??? telusaa meeki...
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Entikaburlu:

If you look for the cheapest chauffeur and get one, you did not succeed in a greedy endeavor; you simply purchased a lower quality product at its market price at that moment.




But, my thoughts and conscious are clear....I will not hire a lower priced chauffeur .....So, greed is not influencing my decision...But, companies are hell bent on increasing profits(code word for pure greed) which will guide all the decisions and hence the sad state of the economy which cannot add jobs that are shipped out of this country because of the above greed
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Tenali_rk:

This chart explains that relationship....
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/06/20/business/20tax- graphic.html?ref=business




That's not greed. That's using a rule to your advantage. It is as simple as buying a stock low and selling it high. That's all.

Two weeks ago, Ashton bough 7 Touchpads for 99 and sold some of them on EBay for 250. Is that greed? No. It is an opportunity. he used it.
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Tenali_rk:

I have two nannies...One for cooking...Another for taking care of the kids....Chaffeur not yet....But, when I require a Chaffeur, what I will not do is look for the lowest salary(pure greed)....




oops. I asked the wrong guy - but my point was, people do what's best for them. they do not make decisions in altruistic manner all the time. same are companies. they do what's best for them. not for altruism.

as for greed - it's only a behavior exemplified by maximizing an available opportunity, but not a static strategy. A free market provides the same opportunity for every one. So, greed does not work. If you look for the cheapest chauffeur and get one, you did not succeed in a greedy endeavor; you simply purchased a lower quality product at its market price at that moment.
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Entikaburlu:

let's find something that can be done.




Simple Idiom

You can run...but cannot escape.(Profits and Greed co-exist...)

This chart explains that relationship....

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/06/20/business/20tax- graphic.html?ref=business
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Entikaburlu:

I am sure you can afford to hire a maid, nanny or a chauffeur to drive you around. why are you not doing it?




I have two nannies...One for cooking...Another for taking care of the kids....Chaffeur not yet....But, when I require a Chaffeur, what I will not do is look for the lowest salary(pure greed)....
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Tenali_rk:



Off the topic... employer manaki 50 $ per hour istunnadanuko... mana
year salary enta?? take home(after all taxes) enta vastadi... TIA
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Corporate greed is the primary cause of the long term decay of the US....




You may be right, may not be right. but one thing is sure, you cannot fix it, because there is no rule or law that says, "thou shalt not be greedy". I am not sure it's there even in 10-commandments. So, why even talk about it, when you can't fix it.

let's find something that can be done.
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Tenali_rk:

That my dear is Pure greed.




It's not greed.

OK, let's use a hypothetical situation. I am sure you can afford to hire a maid, nanny or a chauffeur to drive you around. why are you not doing it? You can afford it, why don't you do it and provide a person some employment?

tell me.
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Entikaburlu:

so, how, what GE does and how much healthcare and payroll tax a small enterprise has to pay if they hire a person in US, related?




Corporate greed is the primary cause of the long term decay of the US....No hiring in US....No increase in tax base/receipts

No amount of gimmicks by government tax breaks will kick start the economy without structural reforms of the US economy(service + manufacturing) not just service economy....
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How do you get out of this situation.....Is it more spending or more cutting...




You cannot cut spending at the wrong time. Alright, we fell in a ditch. History. But if you do not spend now, we will die. that's not what we want. tell me where can we cut? schools, medicare, security, pensions, veterans, essential services, programs? only thing you can cut perhaps are the overseas war bills. but then, these are not done in one day, so you cannot stop them in one day.
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No CEO makes a corporate decision for sociological reasons




That my dear is Pure greed....not a thing more....So, more profits means more pain to workers in US( a very few get benefited though) and loudly cheered by Wall street....


Bottomline, the US economy will not be adding jobs as needed atleast by the population growth. We will have unemployment rates of 9% for foreseeable future. The government will be cutting unemployment checks((now it is for 99 months....in future more) for the near foreseeable future. The Tax base is shrunk but the spending does not come down...
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So much for health care and payroll taxes killing the manufacturing....ha ha ha...




so, how, what GE does and how much healthcare and payroll tax a small enterprise has to pay if they hire a person in US, related?

It's like me wondering how Buffett invested 5Bn in BoFa and made 1.3 Bn in one day. principle is simple. but you cannot use it because you cannot use it.
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There are so many things that can be done, even without manufacturing jobs, but for the non-college level workforce.




All the examples you gave is more spending....Spending is the not the way to get out of the ditch...

Here is the simple example I can give...about US fiscal situation

The yearly income is 21k ($2.1 Trillion)
The yearly spending is 38K ($3.8 Trillion)
The total debt is $140K.....($14.0 Trillion

How do you get out of this situation.....Is it more spending or more cutting...
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What an irony Steve Jobs exported all the manufacturing jobs out of US.




No CEO makes a corporate decision for sociological reasons. If Jobs makes iPhones in China, it is because, it maximizes the surplus Apple can create. An US company creating surplus is good for the USA.

The cure for a disease in one person cannot be in making another person sick. We should be happy, atleast companies like Apple know how to make profits. we should not mess with the surplus creating us companies to solve some other problem. if you do so, you will not solve the first problem, but create the new second problem.
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If government spending can solve the issues........politicians will spend to infinity all the time.....its not their money anyways......




spending is the most powerful policy a government can use to avert economic disasters. but the point is how to spend. Roosevelt spent on building the basics and systems. Eisenhover on road systems.

Obama started spending on balance sheets. the first few trillions of Obama's relief went to convert some large negative integers in some corporation's database records to small positive numbers. the net effect on the ground is zero.

Today is the first time he started putting the money where the mouth is. In my view this is meaningful spending.

There are so many things that can be done, even without manufacturing jobs, but for the non-college level workforce.

For example, drainage systems. A large number of US towns and villages still use septic systems. Why cant we build drainage/sewer systems? this will provide quite a bit of employment. Similarly lighting. Many US villages and towns do not have street lighting. Why can't we have them now? Are we going to have villages and towns in the US with no sewers and street lighting next million years? you can fix that now.
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Entikaburlu:

apple's job is not creating jobs




Apple was creating Jobs in US....What an irony Steve Jobs exported all the manufacturing jobs out of US.


Entikaburlu:

It's the health care and payroll taxes that killed the manufacturing jobs. Not corporate greed




So much for health care and payroll taxes killing the manufacturing....ha ha ha...



A PRESIDENTâS BUSINESS LIAISON

In January, President Obama named Jeffrey R. Immelt, General Electricâs chief executive, to head the Presidentâs Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. âHe understands what it takes for America to compete in the global economy,â Mr. Obama said.

General Electric, the nationâs largest corporation, had a very good year in 2010.

The company reported worldwide profits of $14.2 billion, and said $5.1 billion of the total came from its operations in the United States.

Its American tax bill? None. In fact, G.E. claimed a tax benefit of $3.2 billion.

That may be hard to fathom for the millions of American business owners and households now preparing their own returns, but low taxes are nothing new for G.E. The company has been cutting the percentage of its American profits paid to the Internal Revenue Service for years, resulting in a far lower rate than at most multinational companies.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.htm l?pagewanted=all
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http://www.moneycrashers.com/maximum-401k-roth-ira-contribut ion-limits/

it says 16.5 in both cols

does it mean 33k?




great article...its 16.5 only not both
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Entikaburlu:

to solve a problem in US, you need to look at what can be done here




If the corporations tax breaks(known as writeoffs) for layoffs(destroying jobs) are removed and as a consumer we start buying Made in USA.....yes...the jobs will come back. Until then, the country is on a path of long term decay...

The latest knowledge based economy is built on selling gullible people's viewing habits to Advertisers(Facebook, Twitter, Foursquare).....easy to be duplicated so China has its own facebook, twitter.

To build a Aeroplane Engine or Aeroplane it takes years and years of manufacturing expertise and hence China does not have its own Airbus or Boeing Yet...They are trying (since GE sold the engine technology to China recently)
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Take the example of Apple. Apple using its vast knowledge based leadership created, Iphone, Ipod and Ipad. All of them are run away success...How many jobs did Apple create in manufacturing in US....Zilch...Zero....




apple's job is not creating jobs. the primary objective of any enterprise is creating surplus. if you make job creation primary objective, it will not be an enterprise, it will be a commune.

but if american companies have to start manufacturing in US, it si just not possible to make a product. so many products fail because of pricing. e.g. HP Touchpad. So, letting the companies choose an optimum manufacturing model is essential and good for the US. A govt should not get into the business of dictating how/where a company should manufacture their goods. that is not going to be wise.

so, why asking for something that you cannot have? It's the health care and payroll taxes that killed the manufacturing jobs. Not corporate greed.
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A2J,

nothing to do with Canada or US...I am just talking in general.....same rules apply whichever country.....

EK,

I generally believe in free market dynamics than some baby sitting by the govts and socialism to solve issues........let the markets decide the capital allocation...........read about "Tragedy of commons" and tell me how govt can avoid mis-allocation of capital on any given day...

this is a huge topic and too little time to discuss.....anyways, I like minimal government....let it take care of basics and keep away from running commerce/business.........do a good job as a regulatory body......

"tummithey voodipoye mukku ennaallu untundi" ani........enduko western economies lo chaala factors adjust avvaali before something positive can happen anipistundi......sugar high spending by government isn't the cure....may be a relief for the symptoms.........

If government spending can solve the issues........politicians will spend to infinity all the time.....its not their money anyways......

anways, quite possible that I might be missing something...continue
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Entikaburlu:

in the US, you cannot create manufacturing jobs without creating the knowledge jobs first




Take the example of Apple. Apple using its vast knowledge based leadership created, Iphone, Ipod and Ipad. All of them are run away success...How many jobs did Apple create in manufacturing in US....Zilch...Zero....

Where are they manufactured and what is that manufacturer doing...adding more plants in China to withstand the demand...So, who is benefitting ...China...by moving its poorer population to middle class. Whereas, US is destroying the middle class and increasing the factory workers to become poorer. So what are these factory workers doing now...getting retrained (on Nursing jobs) ....
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The latest Forbes 400 richest Chinese is lead by Liang Wengen, 54, chairman of construction equipment manufacturer, Sany Heavy Industry, is the richest person in China with a net worth of $9.3 billion.




you cannot create a Liang Wengen in USA, a Bill Gates in China, or a Narayana Murthy in USA. all are different models.

to solve a problem in US, you need to look at what can be done here. it is great, absolutely great, if you can bring back all the manufacturing jobs back to the US. You can do that only if the Govt can massively subsidize the healthcare cost of all manufacturing jobs. PplSuck brother is already ridiculing me for a $50 Bn proposal. To subsidize the entire medical cost of all newly created manufacturing jobs, probably you would need 500Bn.
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I totally agree with you... service & knowledge based jobs are no substitute for manufacturing jobs




in the US, you cannot create manufacturing jobs without creating the knowledge jobs first. it is because US is the top of the food chain, not the bottom.
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I totally agree with you... service & knowledge based jobs are no substitute for
manufacturing jobs




The latest Forbes 400 richest Chinese is lead by Liang Wengen, 54, chairman of construction equipment manufacturer, Sany Heavy Industry, is the richest person in China with a net worth of $9.3 billion.

Sany Heavy Industry is making mince meat out of Caterpillar in China. It is matter of time, Caterpillar becomes also ran and eventually close its manufacturing in US...Illinois will suffer and so does the Country's shrinking manufacturing base

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230456760457645 4201635431380.html
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http://www.moneycrashers.com/maximum-401k-roth-ira-contribut ion-limits/

it says 16.5 in both cols

does it mean 33k?
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Wow...Great idea.......I just wish all governments keep spending more and more......not just 100k free money, but should provide millions of free money and create entrepreneurial spirit, out of thin air... ...in turn creating more and more jobs.....in turn so many jobs get created that the whole world is full of jobs and joblessness goes negative......and most of the people should be millionaires due to governement spending.......just like in zimbabwe......




well, a lot of sarcasm there.

but if you see it objectively, 100K for a select 2000 people per state is a drop in the ocean. The annual NSA/Federal grants directly given to the researchers in the Universities are far greater than the $50Bn, I am proposing.

The only difference is, just like they fund the researchers and PhD programs in the universities now, start funding the researchers in the private sectors also. Actually, this already happens in some industries. I am proposing that it is widened to cover any industry.
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does that incl 401+roth




Before tax total you can deduct is 16500
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I wanna be a secular liberal from now on.....YESSSSSSS, I CAN.......




Government is not the solution....Government is the problem ani Swargiya Ronald Reagan cheppindu....But, mana Socialism believers ki adhi ekkadhu...
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does that incl 401+roth? or each 16k?
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hat is the limit on employer provided 401kroth plans? do u know...




$ 16500
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ey daanamma....


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But, the non-college graduate who went to work for his local mill, car manufacturer, foundry etc has his job shipped and these guys cannot find a decent middle class job. This has created a permanent low class. If these guys suffer, Walmart suffers....A country cannot lead without manufacturing jobs...Today China and Germany are leading because of Manufacturing jobs and not service jobs...
No manufacturing jobs....No world dominance....




I totally agree with you... service & knowledge based jobs are no substitute for
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Wow...Great idea.......I just wish all governments keep spending more and more......not just 100k free money, but should provide millions of free money and create entrepreneurial spirit, out of thin air... ...in turn creating more and more jobs.....in turn so many jobs get created that the whole world is full of jobs and joblessness goes negative......and most of the people should be millionaires due to governement spending.......just like in zimbabwe......

alaa alaa oka narrative pattukuni allukupovaalanthey.......ey daanamma....

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Obama needs an apple to turn this

too many promises to become a president, its not easy mr.president...

but a good starting point...3% payroll tax reduction is good if get a chance move to roth or 401k's taxes are all time low.

currently what employers need is tax break, 3% break is not a big thing edaina drastic cut pettalsindi...but still a right step not sure how markets react...companies are very angry due to hc costs aka obamacare hope this helps them


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what is the limit on employer provided 401kroth plans? do u know...
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I missed the debate yesterday - how did it go?


I missed it too :-)

You can watch it here
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She is against to wars...Read her policies and then discuss..




I missed the debate yesterday - how did it go?
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deniki inko 2-3 countries meeda war ki povatanikaa


She is against to wars...Read her policies and then discuss..
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Entikaburlu:

years ago we converted from a manufacturing economy into a knowledge economy. so, the solution is right there! make the knowledge centers, schools and universities, the center piece of your solution




But, the non-college graduate who went to work for his local mill, car manufacturer, foundry etc has his job shipped and these guys cannot find a decent middle class job. This has created a permanent low class. If these guys suffer, Walmart suffers....A country cannot lead without manufacturing jobs...Today China and Germany are leading because of Manufacturing jobs and not service jobs...

No manufacturing jobs....No world dominance....
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Entikaburlu:


that's why the strategy has to be different. this economy will not turn around unless you create the knowledge based jobs. these new jobs will create demands for all other services to raise the general employment.




But these are also the easiest jobs to outsource kada ? what's the workaround for that...

I like what you are proposing and I liked the proposals he had too...If only they can get it to pass,.:-)

The infrastructure and public schools do need a lot of work - schools are cutting all the enrichment programs due to funding issues... kids are in portable classrooms as the schools don't have funding to expand their capacity ...sad state
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Ashton:

Wish Michelle Bachmann could become president next year.




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O-bum is a gone case bro...Wish Michelle Bachmann could become president next year.
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Entikaburlu:

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Theory baane vundi kanee... implementation kashtam.
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that's why the strategy has to be different. this economy will not turn around unless you create the knowledge based jobs. these new jobs will create demands for all other services to raise the general employment. we were using cheap foreign made goods when the economy was doing good also. so that cannot be the problem.

hypothetically, take yourself. let's say, you are very qualified and an expert in your field. what if the govt "buys" you for 3 years for $150K p.a. from your company? what will happen?

your company is first going to hire someone to fill your vacancy. If you are really a great guy, your company would have to hire 2 guys to do your job. see, we have turned 1 job into 3 jobs.

now, what will you do in 3 years? since you are very good, you will try to do something. you will take $100K for yourself, and spend $50K to buy business/research inputs or hire an assistant to bootstrap your startup. so, now we have created 4 jobs out of 1.

the 4 payrolls buy lot more stuff from groceries, homedepots, walmarts, etc. this demand will create more jobs and eventually we will come out.

in 3 years, the govt sponsored entrepreneurs now may have created some small companies which will start hiring more.. those who could not succeed, can go back to their parent companies with vastly superior capabilities and atleast will become seasoned managers and technocrats.
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Entikaburlu:

Take 50Bn a year, or 2 Bn a state per year and fund around 2000 entrepreneurs per state for 3 years, under the guidance of a subject matter expert from a local university




I dont have much understanding ... sorry ;(

All I know is , we get cheap material from china, man power from mexico and profits to corporate ..

The only jobs that left at the micro level I can see around my neighbourhood are service industry .. Health industry or in retail industry ;

Even if you buy something , as big as House or as small as chair or pin, it is not made in usa, including the food
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Previous road built with obama funding to kick start the economy are all washed away ...
Schools, nothing is left in elementary schooling in USA, kids does not even learn even alphabets in grade 1 .

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Housing industry is dead, you have more supply ... Even if we are allowed to buy a second home, the new home builders are able to build much cheaper houses and supply keeps on comming ,

Keep on pumping dollors will just devaluate the currency
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yee thread lo Ashton post ledenti
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Xxx:

why would some one hire if there is no need?
which industry has hiring need?




tough question to answer. but the way macro economy works is, if there is surplus, small businesses hire ahead of the demand.

but eventually, you need to create structural demand for employment. Like Roosevelt did. But we do not need so many roads and bridges now. also, the type of jobs we need are different.

so, the most sustainable way to create jobs is by raising the energy levels of existing employees by supplying them with entrepreneurial funding. they leave their current orbit and new workers will take their positions. if you know Bohr's Principle and Quantum Mechanics, you will get what I am saying.

years ago we converted from a manufacturing economy into a knowledge economy. so, the solution is right there! make the knowledge centers, schools and universities, the center piece of your solution. Take 50Bn a year, or 2 Bn a state per year and fund around 2000 entrepreneurs per state for 3 years, under the guidance of a subject matter expert from a local university. this is the least expensive most effective tool for jump starting employment.
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Xxx:




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why would some one hire if there is no need?

which industry has hiring need?
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Ruj:




same as everyone, if you get a payroll salary, it applies to you.
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President Barack Obama called on Congress to pass a jobs plan that would inject $447 billion into the economy through infrastructure spending, subsidies to local governments to stem teacher layoffs and cutting in half the payroll taxes paid by workers and small-business owners. }
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax

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Ruj:

pay roll taxes ante enti?? h1bski emayina advantage aa??


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Truelies:

own house unna vallaki, or own house kontamu ani promise chese vallaki ventane GC ichi pamapli...(helping housing market)




GC ki, initiki link enduku? this is how most desis waste tax incentives waiting for GC.
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Entikaburlu:

edicare, FICA, Social Security taxes will be cut, for both employee and employer -


idaite matram super bhayya :-)
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payroll tax taggiste employees ki enti labham..




Medicare, FICA, Social Security taxes will be cut, for both employee and employer - this is what I understood, but I could be wrong.
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Entikaburlu:




own house unna vallaki, or own house kontamu ani promise chese vallaki ventane GC ichi pamapli...(helping housing market)




www.prajarajyam.org - please wait while you are redirected to www.aicc.org.in
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pay roll taxes ante enti?? h1bski emayina advantage aa??
Congress, the worst thing ever to happen to Bharat
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Emc2:

More hirings


ohh :-)
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Don't stop there.. Here are my proposals:


Make buying second home easy!! It's a no brainer to solve the housing problem. Just make it easy to buy a second home.

Raise the Limit on the amount individuals can buy in Treasury Deposits to 100K. Make them 100% tax deductible, if not redeemed for 15 years. This solves the debt issue.

Spend 50Bn a year on Entrepreneurship grants - where anyone can apply to get upto 150K p.a. for three years, by quitting a current job. These grants can be awarded and monitored by the local universities. This will create new jobs, new entrepreneurs and make the universities research hubs. There are no more Bell Labs, so University have to take that role.
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Man_of_masses:




More hirings
cherapakura chedevu.
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payroll tax taggiste employees ki enti labham.. employers ki labham kada \uhoh
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My god, this would be great. at last, some body saw the light at the end of the tunnel, and wants to put the money where the mouth is..

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