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Cocanada
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Jujung:

but then it's always easy to interpret past writings in terms of currently known scientific theories


good point

this book also points out differences between vedic and current scientific concepts

especially about whether the plasmic state before manifestation (narayana) is stable or instable
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Ishan:

How should I find out whether they are influenced or not?




it'd be easy to check their advisers/sources.
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coke cheppina valla perlatho googling chesthe first link is their site:
http://www.bharathgyan.com/

Haven't gone through it yet.. but then it's always easy to interpret past writings in terms of currently known scientific theories..

what'd be truly fascinating is if those interpretations lead to new knowledge/new scientific theories..
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Kamal:


thanks kamal tammi.



Ishan:


just source adiganu tammi, may be the version of stuff you read has a different idea. nothing wrong in comparing kada
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Ishan:

mari nenu?



alugaddabaavi ishan dolling .. neeku seppakundanaa ..
Tarali raada tane vasantam .. tana dariki raani vanaala kosam ..
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Ishan:


please visit SAVE REDDY thread once.
kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM!!
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Okahyderabadi:

tammi mee source koncham cheptara


konni books vunnayi bhayya...details tharuvatha isthaa...

Kamal:


will certainly keep you in the loop annai


mari nenu?
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typo in previous post. It should be www.avkf.org
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Okahyderabadi:

you raised the curiosity level.



ayya, if you are referring to kamal's curiosity thingy - let me give it here. not a big deal. Books on vedas ekkada dorukutaayi ani aDigaanu. anta scene illiO.

Answer: www.avkr.org
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Okahyderabadi:

you raised the curiosity level.



will certainly keep you in the loop annai .. once something takes shape .. :-)
Tarali raada tane vasantam .. tana dariki raani vanaala kosam ..
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Kamal:


you raised the curiosity level.
In history there is no such thing as the last word on any subject research leads to new things every day
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Mental_sachinodu:



iffude .. jesht iffude soosa .. great idea .. nenu koddiga work sesi on the issue .. i will get back to you very soon.. :-)

Zingthing:

frivacy lekunda poyindi saami ee DBlo



:D
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Kamal:

forward seseyyi .




mundhi vassina emails sathuvu
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Kamal:

forward seseyyi ..



frivacy lekunda poyindi saami ee DBlo
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Cocanada:

i appreciate you for not posting it in DB



forward seseyyi .. :D
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Zingthing:


bedar

jesht now came home and replied to ur email

i appreciate you for not posting it in DB
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Cocanada:



(email) id ichchi/choosi avoid chestunnaavaa nee yankamma
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Ishan:

THis vrittha fellow was a native indian of original india...these aryan fellas portrayed him as a villain...raksasa etc etc...indra kurrod is a leader of aryan tribe...he had friends like vishnu etc...the war between vritthas and Indra were documented in detail in vedas...that indra fella was a racist...hitler of vedic times...he killed pregnant native indian women...worst fella


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Cocanada:

ksheera sagara madhanam is also a symbol of origin of the universe

two opposing forces - expanding and collapsing fighting with each other which led to creation of various aspects of the universe


cocacharya .. aripinchaav ..
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Coke, *mails* for you. LOL
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Zingthing:



coke.db at gmail dot com
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read * after big bang
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Coke, nee email id, if you don't mind.
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Cocanada:



Coke, can i ask a question re: vedas?
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Mental_sachinodu:

if the origin of universe is being started with ksheera sagara madhanam, isnt ksheera sagaram part of universe or doesnt it mean universe was already in existence?




its only symbolic. when we say universe, we actually mean manifested univese. before big bang

Rig veda speaks about the cycle of manifestaion and desctruction including the intermittent phenomenon
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Mental_sachinodu:




Before big bang anukovacchu. When we say starting of universe, probably coca meant universe in current form..

Asalu astronomy and physics meeda belief ekkuva ayithey theology meeda chala doubts vastaayi :D
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Cocanada:

ksheera sagara madhanam is also a symbol of origin of the universe




if the origin of universe is being started with ksheera sagara madhanam, isnt ksheera sagaram part of universe or doesnt it mean universe was already in existence?
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Jujung:



please name some profs from india who studied them without the influence of european professors and their interpretations.


How should I find out whether they are influenced or not?
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Cocanada:

These interpretations of Dr DK Hari, Hema Hari
and Dr. Archana Sharms who is a scientist at CERN




links unte ivvu. thanks
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Jujung:


very interesting interpretations.. ee interpretations eppatnunchi unnai in history?




The verses are there in Rig Veda

These interpretations of Dr DK Hari, Hema Hari
and Dr. Archana Sharms who is a scientist at CERN
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Ishan:

All these things are carefully studied by many professors back in India and other countries.




please name some profs from india who studied them without the influence of european professors and their interpretations.
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Cocanada:




very interesting interpretations.. ee interpretations eppatnunchi unnai in history?
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Anand_n:

Kundalini sakti




ante enti ?
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Cocanada:



Senapathy:


Its an academic point of view of Vedas, not from religious or spiritual. Mnay academicians dont view Vedas as not just as the sources of spirituality but also as historical records.

My perspective is not just as shallow to come to a conclusion just because of the skin color !!

There is a distinct pattern to the most of the wars happened during vedic times. There were two distinct groups of people who differed with each other culturally, technologically, geographically and of course from skin color POV.

There were alliances among various 'similar' groups against other alliances.

All these things are carefully studied by many professors back in India and other countries.

I am not talking about any 'invasion' here. Its become a habit in this DB to immediately alluding to an 'invasion' whenever the term aryan is used.
Aryans might not have invaded, but there is a chance that they developed in Indian sub-continent along side other cultures.

Many texts describe Indra as most revered aryan. and its not the name of a person. Any supreme commander of aryans was called Indra. I can go on and on...some other time.
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inka aapeyy akkaditho.....nee biryani puto soosi ninnu vadilesthunnaa.....
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Mental_sachinodu:

beef




I started my love for beef with a steak. Then no looking back. Mood unna roju oka pound steak intlo grilling seskoni, veggies meeda priya nalla kaaram sallukoni, oka baatal red wine tho kummuthaa
I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza
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Senapathy:

Naaku taste wise eppudu nacchadu




ee sari PF Sangs lo seafood(shrimp) with lobster sauce try seyyi.. last weekend try sesa.. threeee egg undi taste ...
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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warasht gaa untaayi




Nee yenks.. selective gaa tinali. 120+ items untey anni tini dobaddu. 5 or 6 tinthey all set..
I am struck by the lightning of love and burnt beyond repair - Florentino Ariza
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hmmm idhariki "bellam ante ishtam" type relasion sip anukuntunna... kani nenu beef thelisi thinaledhu hippati dhaaka..
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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mee iddariki inta frendsip avvadaniki reason enti?




Nuvvu kooda maa team lo join ayipo baayaa


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Cheap chinese antey nenu anytime ready



warasht gaa untaaayi...thu deenemma....asala chinese buffets koodaa warasht gaa untaayi
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Mental_sachinodu:

beef



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mee iddariki inta frendsip avvadaniki reason enti?
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Mental_sachinodu:

chinese food




Naaku taste wise eppudu nacchadu. Price wise maatram sooper. Cheap chinese antey nenu anytime ready.. Fried rice, kung pao, beef stir fry, noodles and soup.. keka
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Konni dishes lo full fish ni slits chesi cook settar.




eee full fiss slitting chinese food lo dhobbichukunna.. taste wise ok,looks wise naa yokka valla kaaledhu.. saapa kanlu naa vaipe soothunnayi.. ayina kaani thaggedhi ledhu ani thini dhobba.. night kala lo saapa kallu haunting episode ettayi..
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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Mental_sachinodu:

thai lo eppudu fiss try seyyaledhu




Nee yenks.. Indian fish taravaata naaku baaga nassina fish preparation is Thai..

Konni dishes lo full fish ni slits chesi cook settar.. Manchi curry sauce vaadithey jasmine rice tho swargam anuchla daaka ellochu..

Eppudanna SD vasthey ping seyyi. Tinifisthaaa
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Senapathy:

Thai restaurants lo konni dishes esp fish lo peppercorn esi cook sesthaar. Too good untaadi. The corn is marinated in some sauce to make it milder. Korikinaa antha ghaatu anipiyyav. Eppudanna menu lo kanabadithey kummi dobbu




thai lo eppudu fiss try seyyaledhu anukunta nenu.. nest time will look for it
the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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MS bro.. I know about the concept. Ramayana context lo DB lo baagane disc jarigindhi, since Rama was a human it was easy to draw parallels

Kaani ippudu Ishan tomato is extrapolating to Devas and Asuras. Wanted to know his take on that..

BTW - off topic : Thai restaurants lo konni dishes esp fish lo peppercorn esi cook sesthaar. Too good untaadi. The corn is marinated in some sauce to make it milder. Korikinaa antha ghaatu anipiyyav. Eppudanna menu lo kanabadithey kummi dobbu :D
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Ee Aryan Dravidian gola enti? Nee take on this subject?




Indira is a pure blood aryan.. with golden locks, golden hair and golden brown skin :D

all the asuras he fought were dark skinned. so they are fure blood dravidians ani thelchar janaalu
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Ishan:

THis vrittha fellow was a native indian of original india...these aryan fellas portrayed him as a villain...raksasa etc etc...indra kurrod is a leader of aryan tribe...he had friends like vishnu etc...the war between vritthas and Indra were documented in detail in vedas...that indra fella was a racist...hitler of vedic times...he killed pregnant native indian women...worst fella




I agree with the negative aspects in Indra's character..

Ee Aryan Dravidian gola enti? Nee take on this subject?
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The theme of the war is Vrutra tries to stop the flow of creation and Indra fights him

This corroborates that the context here is not earthly war but creation of manifested universe
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Indra and Vrutra are pulsating forces inside the hiranya garbha
indra is the expanding force
vrutra is the contracting force

indra won the war and this made the hiranya garbha to explode and spew out manifested universe

indra meand "divine mind"
vrutra means "cloud that sticks together" suggesting it is a contractive force

may be because clouds are black, racist eurpoeans interpreted this as earthly war between white indra and black vrutra
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More about Vritra


THis vrittha fellow was a native indian of original india...these aryan fellas portrayed him as a villain...raksasa etc etc...indra kurrod is a leader of aryan tribe...he had friends like vishnu etc...the war between vritthas and Indra were documented in detail in vedas...that indra fella was a racist...hitler of vedic times...he killed pregnant native indian women...worst fella
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how aptly bhujanga asana is named

you raise your spine with out help of hands. like a cobra standing with open hood
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Cocanada,
Amrita on the context used was Sat chit ananda:-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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amrita


and Amrita means?
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Cocanada
Good post on the opposing forces :-)

Another interesting allegory I heard is at a microcosm level - idivaraku post chesanu :-) the sushumna nadi is the meru parvata, kundalini is the serpent ,your thoughts and samskaras are the asuras and devas churning your sea of consciousness to create amrita:-)
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jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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This is too much man...stereotyping minorities all along...
black men antey criminals or people with lose morals
native indian antey cave men n savages etc
chinese n east indian antey accents n caricature
and Snakes antey Evil???...wtf....done with this stereotyping portrayal .... all black mambas come together
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ante naanesh, iffudu nenu baa nallagaa unte tellagaa unde ammaayini sesukunte baaguntaadi antaav....anthenaa
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nani uncle

naa post lo antha depth ekkada undi? i was talking about big bang.

opposite forces that are similar to centrifugal and centripetal forces
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kompatheesi nuvvu Alda lanti ammayi kosam vethuktunnava enti for different taste and waist :D
Jo Na Janey Haq Ki taaqat
Rabb Na Dewey Usko Himmat.

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Nanigadu:

same taste rather than something different.





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Cocanada:

two opposing forces




hmm coca, baga edigioyyav :D

good info on this, so andukey emo oppossites attract antaru, so husband wife entha oppossite aithey, marraige life antha safi ga saguthadi ani emo, at least one should give stability to the relationship... so may be that is the main reason why the marraiges here fail a lot, vellu always look for people with same taste rather than something different.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vritra

More about Vritra.. I did not know of this character..

Thanks Cocesh.. kanapadav gaani nee thhana saaana matter undi
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Senapathy:

Amritha madhanam lo Rakshasas decide to be on the head side of Sesha nagu. And when it releases poison during churning, lot of them fall dead.. Any inner meaning of this act, other than the pride of Rakshasas led to their down fall




ksheera sagara madhanam is also a symbol of origin of the universe

two opposing forces - expanding and collapsing fighting with each other which led to creation of various aspects of the universe

same concept is depicted in the war between indra and vrutta
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Bumping..

Mahabharatam lo Krishnudu oka snake padaga meeda dance chese episode depicts partially that snakes are mean and fatal. God has the power to control and win over them..

Amritha madhanam lo Rakshasas decide to be on the head side of Sesha nagu. And when it releases poison during churning, lot of them fall dead.. Any inner meaning of this act, other than the pride of Rakshasas led to their down fall
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Senapathy:


Is there anyway you can connect the other sarpalu in mythology like kalanagu.




in general we are fascinated by snakes because they are mysterious

mammals can kill you too...but snake kills you in a bite. we are so afraid of snakes that we started praying to them hoping they will leave us alone. ala mella mella ga stories rasavatharam gaa undadaaniki snake character ni baagaa vaadukunnarani naa doubt
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Cocanada:

narayana and adi sesha together represent the state of cosmos between cycles of creation of universe and destruction of universe




Cocesh

Interesting and novel interpretation I came across..

Is there anyway you can connect the other sarpalu in mythology like kalanagu.

How does this coiled serpent form correlate to amritha madhanam scene. Food for thought.

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ippudey hisss bomma susa
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btw

narayana is not same as maha vishnu who is not same as vishnu
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Adi sesha gurinchi evening cheptaa annanu kada... idigo

First of all...vishnu, shiva, brahma, indra etc do not physically exist as we see in paintings. They are only symbols which have hidden meaning

Narayana - which stands for quiescent state
is always depicted as resting on a coiled snake

adi = prior to beginning
sesha = remnant

coiled adi sesha represents complete cycle from before creation and after pralaya

narayana and adi sesha together represent the state of cosmos between cycles of creation of universe and destruction of universe

alaage....namaste..
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Ishan:

Snakes represent the darkest nature of humans. The venom (human nature of hurting other humans), multiple tongues (not sticking to your word), not crawling in a straight line (always wavering representing chanchala swabhavam of our minds) and revenge (self explanatory). These are all the evil forces in humans.




AFAIK Nagas in our scriptures are descendents of Kasyapa, step brothers of Garuda - possessors of great wisdom and knowledge, wealth and beauty - by Brahma's edict they were relegated to patala/Nagalokam which is supposed to be the epitome of beauty...

Meeru ichina viewpoint jells with the abrahamic viewpoint on snakes - eastern scriptures lo references emanna unnaya on this portrayal of the serpents as symbols of all that is evil in human nature ?


Senapathy:

Plz elaborate



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Parthasaradhi:

Shiva and vishnu represent two completely different aspects.



"shiva" ante meaning telusaa?
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Ishan:

Then why does shiva adorn them? It tells us two things: that he still loves you despite all your fallacies and that he controls those tendencies because he is a yogi and sets an example to us that even we can control those tendencies. Thats the difference between us and other religion, we love even the evil.




actual reason idi kaadanukuntaaa.

Shiva and vishnu represent two completely different aspects. okaru sowmyan, okaru rowdram; okaru challatanam, okaru vedi, okaru pleasant appearence, okaru ghora rooopam etc.

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konni snakes ki past knowledge kooda untadani antaaru.
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Chichubuddi:

snake paga padutundi antaru nijamena ?




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snake paga padutundi antaru nijamena ?
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Ishan:

Sex and relegion are inseparable concepts



the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada
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jugupsu tho kudina bhayam tho oche beduru naaku.. nen TV lo kuda sudanu snakes ni.


nenu nee lekkane undetodni maa sadist tammi gaadiki paamulu cinemalanna horror cinemalanna pichi. VCR rent ki testhe eedu teche cinemalu evil dead type lekapothe naga devatha type. mamulu torture kaadu adi
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Senapathy:

Sex and relegion are inseparable concepts


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Endukalaga..


tiger nature anthe kada...its the king of animals and tries to dominate...so is our ego...tiger also represents rajo guna...snake tamo guna...shiva represent sathva guna...attaa kooodka anukovachu...manam ettaa anukunte attaa...
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Anand_n:

to refer to the double helix of DNA




Idi too much interpolation anukunta. Asalu molecular basis of life aa age lo knowledge ledu ani naa feeling.

Coiled serpents might represent coitus. Sex and relegion are inseparable concepts kabatti parallels easy gaa draw seskovocchu


Anand_n:

Kundalini sakti is depicted as a snake too




Can use some flood light on this. Plz elaborate
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mermaids mida light eyandi koncham ishan,anand and mental_s tammul
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thappaka chudandi AnaaCondaaa....susthey malli soodandi AnaaCondaaa
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Snakes............Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Nagadosham ani Naga Prathistalu ani, pujalu, building temple enni enni cheyincharo,
avi anni talchu kunte
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Senapathy:

Snakes as a symbolic representation of evil in humans,




Not wholly true - Kundalini sakti is depicted as a snake too :-)
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jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Ishan:

tiger represents ego, that means he conquered ego




neninkaa fuli ni thikki fatti naara theesi thana ego satispy sesukunnaadu anukunnaa
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Senapathy:




More food for thought - The depiction of two snakes coiled round a staff- from ancient Sumer - is considered by some to refer to the double helix of DNA...the secret of life :-)
aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale
jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale
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Ishan:

Snakes represent the darkest nature of humans.






Anduke nee post kosam waiting. Eppudu edo new angle edathaav.. U palak paneer :D

Snakes as a symbolic representation of evil in humans, Wah wah.. kya baat hai.. Same ideology can be extended to mummy masks.. That the pharaoh keeps all the evils outside on the masks, while he rests inside lying in luxury..


Ishan:

tiger represents ego




Endukalaga..
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Senapathy:


btw shiva sits on a tiger skin; tiger represents ego, that means he conquered ego because he is a yogi. adi matter.
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Dorling - Snakes represent the darkest nature of humans. The venom (human nature of hurting other humans), multiple tongues (not sticking to your word), not crawling in a straight line (always wavering representing chanchala swabhavam of our minds) and revenge (self explanatory). These are all the evil forces in humans. Then why does shiva adorn them? It tells us two things: that he still loves you despite all your fallacies and that he controls those tendencies because he is a yogi and sets an example to us that even we can control those tendencies. Thats the difference between us and other religion, we love even the evil.

Snakes have been part of him even before sagara madhanam...
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Senapathy:

One side point, snakes ni choosthey oka rakamaina jugupsakaramaina feeling vastundi



jugupsu tho kudina bhayam tho oche beduru naaku.. nen TV lo kuda sudanu snakes ni.

Pochamma gullo Pochamma sitting on tiger bommalu chusa kani snakes bommalu cudale nenu. Snake bomma undhi ante aa temple ki oka affiliated paamula putta untadannattu.
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Thanks Anand pinni and MS for valuable thoughts.. Where is Ishan potato hiding..

Can anybody throw light on Shiva using the snake to stop the visham from entering his body. Amritha madanam kante mundu, did he have a snake around his neck.

One side point, snakes ni choosthey oka rakamaina jugupsakaramaina feeling vastundi. Just like seeing a cockroach or something. Is it inbuilt? Or the fact that they crawl on their bellies is a disgusting feel..

Coming to the snake, himan interaction.. I think all civilizations living in forests or snake dwelling regions had a mutual understanding and respect. Snakes are killers and probably were more potent killers than any..

Other thought.. Telangana side lo Pochamma gudi lo snakes and tigers painting vestharu.. Both of them were a threat to man. Ee angle lo mee thoughts enti?
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Mental_sachinodu:

Inko theory undhi, which is more speculative, In the dance of nataraja, especially ananda thandava,a cosmic dance which set the universe in motion, the snakes adorned by him on his neck, arms sway with him beautifully in accordance with his motions, and that is the basis of sarpa nritya ani..


mentala .. aripistunnav ..
Tarali raada tane vasantam .. tana dariki raani vanaala kosam ..
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Getafix:

mana mythology lo nagaswaramu and naga dance ki special place undhi.. emanna special reason for this? Snake dance and nagaswaramu edanna signify chesthada mana saampradyallo?




indian folk dances lo most popular is sarpa nritya especially eastern parts of the country, but there are other types of dances like sagara nritya, mayura nritya(peacock dance). I think these are more dance styles rather than in relation to mythology. but sarpa nritya was performed for rains ani eppudo chadiva... there has been some research a while back which traced the Hopi snake dance(native american snake dance in arizona) to nagas in india land and thai land, basically this dance is performed for rain in the deserts of arizona.

Inko theory undhi, which is more speculative, In the dance of nataraja, especially ananda thandava,a cosmic dance which set the universe in motion, the snakes adorned by him on his neck, arms sway with him beautifully in accordance with his motions, and that is the basis of sarpa nritya ani..
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MS brother

mana mythology lo nagaswaramu and naga dance ki special place undhi.. emanna special reason for this? Snake dance and nagaswaramu edanna signify chesthada mana saampradyallo?
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Truelies:

Nothing special,




Not entirely true.. Naga has special place hindu mythology, although I am not exact sure about their role in mythology.

In basic Hindu cosmology defined three realms.
Svarga (seven upper or heavenly regions)
Prithvi (Earth)
Patala (seven lower or nether regions)

Rasatala, and Patala (the two lowest regions in Patala Realm) is inhabited by Danavas, Daityas and Nagas. Nagas have special place compared to other animals.

In addition to it Shiva adorns a snake as an ornament, and Vishnu abode itself is adisesha.


Senapathy:

Why are snakes a special creature? With connection to the dark and nether-lands. Baaga disco seskundaam..




Snakes are observably different from other animals in strange ways.

Venom - which can take life, and also can give life(i mean can be used to treat ailments). i think this is a significant attribute that separates them from other beings.

Ability to shed their skin - this is another significant attribute, as this can symbolize rebirth - that is leaving older body and getting a newer body, a concept of rebirth that many cultures have been intrigued with.

Ability to coil - Its lack of spine and its ability to coil and expand is seens as a mysterious ability of the snake.

Ability to live in water and on earth.

Hood - it appears as though protecting its territory under its hood. Adhisesha, Mukalinda are examples of this.

inka egyptian mythology, hindu, greek, mayan snakes are attributed with God status, may be due to its ability take away life.

For Abrahamic religions, snakes are treated as evil and mostly signlifies satan. Basically due the story in Genesis, where the serpent tempts adam and eve to eat the fruit from the tree of good and evil.
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Senapathy:




it is related to kundalini.
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Senapathy:


tutankamen kurrod enduku eskunnado teleedu kaanee

it has nothing to do with adi sesha on which maha vishnu rests

full story opika unnappudu evening cheptaa
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Senapathy:

Waiting for Anand, Ishan, Okahyd, mental for their views




Venomous snakes have been attributed divine/special status in almost all cultures and religions...

It could just have been from the awe and fear that a small creature could instantly kill - that caused the early reverence.Everything that posed danger was considered something to be pacified thru worship to avert that wrath turning on the people...This is probably why from Asia to south America -every ancient religion attributes superpowers to serpents

Fromt here to other evolved religions the history of the role of the snake is interesting and ambivalent - some see then as symbols of evil to be feared, others as divine gatekeepers to the realm of spiritual treasures...The depictions of Gods as in Shiva and Vishnu as someone who conguered snakes could be because snakes were synonymous with death maybe?

From the serpent in the garden of eden tempting Eve to physical union and procreation to the Kundalini sakti depicted as a coiled snake desiring spiritual union...Snakes are revered as symbols of fertility - from the depiction of fertility two snakes coiled around a staff in the west to the Nagasantis prescribed for infertile couples in India.

Snakes are the simultaneously the symbol of death and birth - fascinatingly complete depiction of the circle of life - the greek Ouroboros - of the snake constantly eating its own tail as a symbol of constant destruction and creation...The vision that caused Kekule to have the epiphany of the benzene ring...:-)

Discussion ki mood ledu - adigaru ani gurtuvachindi type chesanu - more musings than references and facts ... meeru continue chesukondi:-)
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naaku monna same doubt vachindhee
may be hinduism was a coming together of many tribes who worshiped different animals
manishi yokka char traits nee varnichatam kosam diff animals waadi undavachu
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Nothing special






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Senapathy:

Why are snakes a special creature?




Nothing special, in hindu mythology. every creature dog, elephant, peacock, bull, rat...you name it...that is associated with some or the other God.
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I was reading about King Tutankhamen and egyptian history. A coincidence to Hinduism is the use of snakes adorning their gods and kings. Below is the mask of King Tut..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Tuthankha mun_Egyptian_Museum.jpg

In hinduism, we have Lord Vishnu sleeping on Sesha Nag and Lord Shiva wearing the Kala Nag.

Why are snakes a special creature? With connection to the dark and nether-lands. Baaga disco seskundaam..
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