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Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 03:26 pm:       

gitlane reddy..kapu ki kooda vunnattu vundi....
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Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 10:47 am:       


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Appatlo Palegallu (polygar) anevallu. Ippudu factionists antunnam.





palegallu ante feudals ani ardham anukuntunna, negative ga enduku teesukovaali......tana area meedha british control ki against ga fight chesi vuntaadu vuyyalavada...that's his duty.....whoever fought against british at any level is a patriot
 

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Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 08:59 am:       


Jacksparrow:

logic artham kaaledu... mari same caste vaallu kooda brothers ye kada aa lekkana?


idi north lo vaduka undi "roti dhesakte hain lekin beti nahin" bahusa daani literal translation ayi untadi! roots okate ani oppukuntune... chala duram jarigipoyam, inka marital relations kudaradu ani.
 

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Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 08:14 am:       


Jacksparrow:

mari same caste vaallu kooda brothers ye kada aa lekkana?




bharateeyulandaru naa sahodarulu ani chinnapudu school lo seppava leda
 

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Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 06:44 am:       


Diviseema:


kamma laki velamalaki kancham pottu vundochhu gani mancham pottu vundakoodadhu antaru. means they are brothers and can eat in same plate . but cannot marry each other.


logic artham kaaledu... mari same caste vaallu kooda brothers ye kada aa lekkana?
 

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Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 04:32 am:       

konni years kritam vesa same thopic.

kamma laki velamalaki kancham pottu vundochhu gani mancham pottu vundakoodadhu antaru. means they are brothers and can eat in same plate . but cannot marry each other.
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Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 04:26 am:       

Vjavasi

"factoinist ante?.....british valla kante mundhe puttindha aa padham leka valla srustinchaara..."

Appatlo Palegallu (polygar) anevallu. Ippudu factionists antunnam.
Nagaphani nundi Anjan varaku, mana DB lo andariki fans unnaru. Andariki vandanalu.
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 10:22 pm:       


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avunaa aithe guruji bhasha lo cheppalante : Telangana vachinaa CM maa vaade naa ? kikiki




thread title soosi nee resp espect sesa.. but post sestavanukole
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 09:54 pm:       

ante baala, CBN & KCR relatives aa ayithe ?
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 07:28 pm:       


Vjavasi:




 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 07:13 pm:       


Moodu_mukkalu:



if u the types of bhagath singh and subash chandra bose... u will be fighting them... if u the types of gandhi then u will be xyz... and if u r the types of chamchagiri then u wud be leading the villages n...





nuvvu emi cheppali anukuntunnavo asal ardham kavatla....village elie chamchagiri chesaru antunnava?.......oka vela chamachagiri evaraina cheste during freedom movement adhi english eduacted indians and congress leaders
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 07:11 pm:       


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Uyyalavada ki patriotism anta gattaru. He was a factionist.



Thread manchi rasavathara malupu thiruthundi.

Mr KCR tear down this wall!
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 07:05 pm:       


Basky_indya:

vaalu unte baguntadi inka.



if u the types of bhagath singh and subash chandra bose... u will be fighting them... if u the types of gandhi then u will be xyz... and if u r the types of chamchagiri then u wud be leading the villages n...
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 07:02 pm:       


Moodu_mukkalu:

r u supp british?


NU supports britishhh.

vaalu unte baguntadi inka.
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 06:56 pm:       


Vjavasi:

british valla kindha pani cheyyatam anrahata aithe 95% congress leaders british valla kindha panichesina valle




na point ide... not specific to any community... full stop.
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 06:51 pm:       


Moodu_mukkalu:

participating in freedom moment vs working by salamifying the britishers





nee point enti?...chowdhary ane vallu tax maatrame collect chesaru, freedom movement lo participate cheyyaledhu ani cheppali anukuntunnava?.........asalu andhra nundi national level congress leader evaru vunnaru?.....british valla kindha pani cheyyatam anrahata aithe 95% congress leaders british valla kindha panichesina valle
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 06:44 pm:       


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seema lo factionists ni british vallu control chesaru.




r u supp british?
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 06:40 pm:       


Vjavasi:

lol...nenu chebtundhi independence movement gurinchi kaadhu....wars against british in andhra before british established their rule....independence movement can hardly be referred to as war, may be you can call it non-violent struggle




ok nenu war ani specific ga anatledu... participating in freedom moment vs working by salamifying the britishers...

no hard feelings...
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 06:07 pm:       


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Uyyalavada ki patriotism anta gattaru. He was a factionist.






factoinist ante?.....british valla kante mundhe puttindha aa padham leka valla srustinchaara......britishodi kante biggest thugs evadu vunnadu?....
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:44 pm:       

Charitra lo jarigindi chepthe, ekkado kalinattundi. Ki ki ki...

North lo Thugs ni anichesinatte, seema lo factionists ni british vallu control chesaru.
Nagaphani nundi Anjan varaku, mana DB lo andariki fans unnaru. Andariki vandanalu.
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:40 pm:       


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Uyyalavada ki patriotism anta gattaru. He was a factionist.



kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:37 pm:       

tatha kottha mudrikalu start seyyakkarledhu....


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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:34 pm:       

Uyyalavada ki patriotism anta gattaru. He was a factionist.
Nagaphani nundi Anjan varaku, mana DB lo andariki fans unnaru. Andariki vandanalu.
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:33 pm:       


Basky_indya:

n 23 July 1846



adhannamata...happened before 1857
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:30 pm:       

Narasimha Reddy with his army attacked the British forces camped at Giddaluru on 23 July 1846 and repulsed them. Unable to capture him, the British imprisoned his family at Kadapa. In an attempt to free his family Narasimha Reddy moved to Nallamala forests. When the British tightened his movements in Nallamala, Narasimha Reddy came back to Koilkuntla area and was hiding in Jagannatha Konda near the village of Ramabhadrunipalle. Some informant brought to the notice of British authorities about his hiding and his followers. The hill was surrounded by the armed forces in the midnight. He was caught on the midnight of 6 October 1846. Reddy was badly beaten before being brought to Koilkuntla. He was tied with heavy chains and with blood shed cloths taken to procession in the streets of Koilkuntla so that no other person should dare to revolt against British.[1] He was charged for murders and treason and sentenced to death. On 22 February, Reddy was hanged publicly by the British in Koilkuntla on the banks of the Jurreru river
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:29 pm:       


Basky_indya:

uyyalawada 1870's time.




uyyalawada definately before 1857...which is the official record for sayudhaporatam.....uyyalawada anthaku mundhe jarigindhi but charitraputallo maruguna padipoyindhi ani anduke antaru.
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:22 pm:       


Vjavasi:


1st independce kosam war start ayina time early 19th centrury.

Rayalseema leader Gadicharla hari sarvotham rao is the initial leader from AP
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:20 pm:       


Vjavasi:

don't know the time period and story of uyyalawada....




uyyalawada 1870's time. after hanging him, his head was put on FORT for 20 years
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:18 pm:       


Moodu_mukkalu:

loll... my thathayya says he is a freedom fighter... went to jail several times during the british... i guess it is time for me to to call and ask him ... or may be its just Telangana region... please correct me... i am poor at history




lol...nenu chebtundhi independence movement gurinchi kaadhu....wars against british in andhra before british established their rule....independence movement can hardly be referred to as war, may be you can call it non-violent struggle
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:10 pm:       


Vjavasi:

nobody in andhra fought against british



loll... my thathayya says he is a freedom fighter... went to jail several times during the british... i guess it is time for me to to call and ask him ... or may be its just Telangana region... please correct me... i am poor at history
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:10 pm:       


Zingthing:

alluri, uyyalawada inka chaala mandi untaranukuntunna





alluri fought after brittish rule was firmly established.....don't know the time period and story of uyyalawada......what happened in andhra during 1857 revolt is not widely known....if anybody knows andhra history during 1857 revolt....please share the info
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:05 pm:       


Vjavasi:

nobody in andhra fought against british....the last heroic and succesful resistance was against muslims during vijayanagaram and kakateeya....



alluri, uyyalawada inka chaala mandi untaranukuntunna
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:03 pm:       


Moodu_mukkalu:

but what happened to the ppl who really fought their lives out...




nobody in andhra fought against british....the last heroic and succesful resistance was against muslims during vijayanagaram and kakateeya....after fall of vijayanaga nizam controlled entire andhra.....british took over coastal andhra from Nizam......only notable war was against french in bobilli as far as i know
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 04:53 pm:       


Vjavasi:


after 1857 british succesfully coopted higher caste groups to control india......they channelised energies of martial groups by creating sikh regiment,rajput regiment, maratha regiment, Jat regiment, Gurkha regiment, mahar regiment, Madras regiment in their army.....they seperated military from administration......in administration they used english educated groups at the higher level and traditional feudal groups and zamindars at the regional and lower level




agreed... my point is ppl holding positions during the british times still had them afterwards ... but what happened to the ppl who really fought their lives out...
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 04:42 pm:       


Zingthing:

thats how they divided us(martial, non-martial) ani. light teesukOndi bhayya. even though am from FC i don't like injustice meted out to other indians based on these divisions.





nenu light gane vunna.....who did injustice to whom?.....they were groups based on profession
 

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Vjavasi:

martial groups



thats how they divided us(martial, non-martial) ani. light teesukOndi bhayya. even though am from FC i don't like injustice meted out to other indians based on these divisions.
 

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Moodu_mukkalu:

but seems like ppl who wroked with british went on the be working in the same positions later on




after 1857 british succesfully coopted higher caste groups to control india......they channelised energies of martial groups by creating sikh regiment,rajput regiment, maratha regiment, Jat regiment, Gurkha regiment, mahar regiment, Madras regiment in their army.....they seperated military from administration......in administration they used english educated groups at the higher level and traditional feudal groups and zamindars at the regional and lower level
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 04:22 pm:       


Vjavasi:

you yourself posted british dismantled their armies and used them as revenue collectors during their rule




i am not pointing any thappulu but just a thought not just specific to choudaries but seems like ppl who wroked with british went on the be working in the same positions later on
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 04:21 pm:       

undey untadhi...
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 04:11 pm:       


Moodu_mukkalu:

I was reporting to King X ... British defeated them and now reporting to British ... and After independence I still am the chota chetan la




after the fall of kaakateeya they fought against muslims under musunuri nayak and defeated them
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 04:08 pm:       


Moodu_mukkalu:

exactly... kings changed but not the tax collector types... its like why i care if the boss of my company changes types... anthe kada





they were not just tax collectors they were warriors and feudals controlling regions.......you yourself posted british dismantled their armies and used them as revenue collectors during their rule
 

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Vjavasi:


British worked through them because they were controlling the areas prior to british.....it's not as if british nominated them




exactly... kings changed but not the tax collector types... its like why i care if the boss of my company changes types... anthe kada

I was reporting to King X ... British defeated them and now reporting to British ... and After independence I still am the chota chetan la
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 03:58 pm:       


Guriginja:

yekkada nunchi paste chesina nuvvu rasindhi maatram andhra dynasties ani list sesav which is not true....ntr natinchina sreenadha kavi sarvabhoumula rajyam seppakunda andhra dynasteis yendhi.





nenu antha paticular ga choodala...just casually copied the list...o.k lte me include Reddy Dynasty to the list

chronology of andhra dynasties

Satavahanas
Ikshvaku dynasty
Salankayanas
Vishnukundinas
Eastern Chalukyas
Kakatiya dynasty
Musunuri Nayaks
Reddy Dynasty
Vijayanagara Empire
Madurai Nayaks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddy_dynasty
Tanjore Nayaks
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 03:56 pm:       


Basky_indya:

RastraKutas



Rashtrakutas -> Ratoodis -> Reddys valla ayyunDochchu. just a wild guess.
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 03:55 pm:       

RastraKutas missing chesadu
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 03:52 pm:       


Vjavasi:




yekkada nunchi paste chesina nuvvu rasindhi maatram andhra dynasties ani list sesav which is not true....ntr natinchina sreenadha kavi sarvabhoumula rajyam seppakunda andhra dynasteis yendhi.
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 03:42 pm:       


Guriginja:

yekkadekkado just 50yrs rule seseinavi kuda list sesav vema reddy rajyam mention seyyalanipinchaledha...lol






ivvi nenu list chesinavi kaavu....i copied from this link

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Moodu_mukkalu:

my feeling is ppl who worked with British ended up getting good education and money and still continued after independence in the higher up roles with the education power/experience and other...




British worked through them because they were controlling the areas prior to british.....it's not as if british nominated them
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 03:38 pm:       


Vjavasi:

chronology of andhra dynasties

Satavahanas
Ikshvaku dynasty
Salankayanas
Vishnukundinas
Eastern Chalukyas
Kakatiya dynasty
Musunuri Nayaks
Vijayanagara Empire
Madurai Nayaks
Tanjore Nayaks




yekkadekkado just 50yrs rule seseinavi kuda list sesav vema reddy rajyam mention seyyalanipinchaledha...lol
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From Wiki-

British period:
By the end of 18th century the British East India Company had consolidated their rule in Andhra. The armies of Zamindars and Deshmukhs were dismantled and only the power of tax collection was left intact. The well-known Kamma Zamindaris under the British rule were Muktyala, Chintapalli (Amaravati), Challapalli, Devarakota, Kapileswarapuram etc. These Zamindars encouraged modern education by establishing many schools and libraries.
[edit] Modern history

After the decline of major kingdoms, Kammas controlled large fertile areas in Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu, as a legacy of their martial past. The British recognized their prominence and made them village heads(Talari) also known as Chowdary to collect taxes.
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Does this mean Choudarys are all those who worked with British collecting taxes n stuff? e theory lo koddiga clarity kavali

my feeling is ppl who worked with British ended up getting good education and money and still continued after independence in the higher up roles with the education power/experience and other...

pls add some light
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 02:31 pm:       


Vjavasi:

marxist version of history



nenu chadivina Kambhampati Satyanarayana books kuda same POV
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 02:28 pm:       


Mamamiya786:

true ...but do we consider them andhra dynastis...?





telugu matlade vallani andhra valle kadha
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 02:26 pm:       


Mamamiya786:

suravaram prathapa reddy gari book chadivanu.





andulo marxist version of history ekkuva vuntundhi anukuntunna real history kante
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 02:24 pm:       


Vjavasi:

hey went from andhra.....part of vijayanagar empire....anduke tamilnadu lo antha telugu population vundhi




true ...but do we consider them andhra dynastis...?

do you have the periods for andhra dynastis.

Last time india vellinappudu ap history book techha malla chadavali...
inthaku mundu ...suravaram prathapa reddy gari book chadivanu.
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 02:14 pm:       


Mamamiya786:

These are not andhra kada ....

They are based in tamil nadu ...




they went from andhra.....part of vijayanagar empire....anduke tamilnadu lo antha telugu population vundhi
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 02:11 pm:       


Vjavasi:

Madurai Nayaks
Tanjore Nayaks




These are not andhra kada ....

They are based in tamil nadu ...

after kakateeyas ..there are a lot kingdoms in andhra like gajapati etc...
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 01:50 pm:       

Yes Both have Same Roots. Warrior Planing, Execution, STartegy, Looking after the clans of Warriors,etc

Basic ga Kothval type Jobs, Army type Jobs.
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 01:49 pm:       

chronology of andhra dynasties

Satavahanas
Ikshvaku dynasty
Salankayanas
Vishnukundinas
Eastern Chalukyas
Kakatiya dynasty
Musunuri Nayaks
Vijayanagara Empire
Madurai Nayaks
Tanjore Nayaks
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 01:45 pm:       

Coastal Rajus ekkadivaru?.....telangana lo kooda rajus vunnara?.....Do rajus in andhra do sacred thread ceremony?.....i think only vijayanagaram was controlled by rajus......Did coastal Rajus came from vijayanagaram.....were they eastern chalukyas?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Chalukyas
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 01:33 pm:       


Scorpio:

naaku thelisi delta lo kammas, brhamins ki intercast baaga maa=rriages chesukunnaru emo...through out history...



i dont think common surnames are due to intercastes,even it is kamma,brahmin,reddy or kapu.ayina anti brahmin movement was lead by kammas in delta,so i dont think there are any intercaste marriages between them in past.
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 01:15 pm:       


Moodu_mukkalu:

ippudu OT Jai Telangana anna antadu




according to "Ramoji > CBN > NTR" theory alaa eppatiki anadu

Kaani oka vela Telamgana erapidi appudu KCR CM ayithee manasuloo maa Blood yee CM ayyaindhi ani anukoni ego ni satisfy chesukuntaadu
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Appatlo:



ippudu OT Jai Telangana anna antadu
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 01:09 pm:       

Shikari,

Chala mandilo undoch kaani...nenu observe chesindi maathram...kammas ki brahmins ki chaala unnai...anduke confuse ayya...

naaku thelisi delta lo kammas, brhamins ki intercast baaga maa=rriages chesukunnaru emo...through out history...
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 01:07 pm:       


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avunaa aithe guruji bhasha lo cheppalante : Telangana vachinaa CM maa vaade naa ? kikiki






Nuvvu Guluji laaa manchi entertainer vi.
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Onlytruth:



Blood lo undhi kadu
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 01:05 pm:       

avunaa aithe guruji bhasha lo cheppalante : Telangana vachinaa CM maa vaade naa ? kikiki
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 01:05 pm:       


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Nee masala naa Brahmins...Aryans aaa..This marxist theory is thoroughly debunked....




not only Brahmins, Kammas also belong to Aryan tribe too.

There are so many theories to prove Aryan invasion.
 

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Scorpio:

Kammas ki Brahmins ki last names chala common untai enduku?



aa matram prathi caste ki untayi common ga
some examples i know
ghanta,bandi,aalla - kamma,kapu
mullapudi,pendyala,achanta - kamma,brahmin
kolli,gutta,kondapalli- kamma,reddy
uppalapati - kamma,raju
tammineni - kamma,velama
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 01:04 pm:       

choudarys were tax collectors under british rule - is this correct?
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 01:02 pm:       

Vjavasi,

Chaala unnai baasu...nenu challa vinna...at least oka padi...Nimmagadda, karanam, Mynampati,....etc...
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 12:55 pm:       


Scorpio:

Kammas ki Brahmins ki last names chala common untai enduku?

idi chaala rojulu nunchi adugadamanukuntunna...

nenu chala saarlu confuse ayya, kamma na brahmina aa ani...




ekkada vuntaayi common?...only few names common anukuntaa like vemuri,pendyala
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 12:48 pm:       

Vjavasi,

Kammas ki Brahmins ki last names chala common untai enduku?

idi chaala rojulu nunchi adugadamanukuntunna...

nenu chala saarlu confuse ayya, kamma na brahmina aa ani...
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 12:45 pm:       


Ashton:

Brahmins (Aryans)




Nee masala naa Brahmins...Aryans aaa..This marxist theory is thoroughly debunked....
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 12:25 pm:       


Dma:

as per that theory kamma belong to the same sect as Choudhury (chou - land, dhury - one who collects taxes : something simila to that) and hence the name chowdary.




I've read somewhere that Kammas and Brahmins (Aryans) emigrated from North India to Southern region and bought the lands. Later hired the peasants and made them work as a part of slavery.
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 12:22 pm:       


Vjavasi:

A book written by a British guy posted in this DB by OT says Kammas came from somewhere in gangetic plain possibly bihar and they used to worship Ganga




as per that theory kamma belong to the same sect as Choudhury (chou - land, dhury - one who collects taxes : something simila to that) and hence the name chowdary.
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 12:01 pm:       

A book written by a British guy posted in this DB by OT says Kammas came from somewhere in gangetic plain possibly bihar and they used to worship Ganga
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 12:00 pm:       


Pathfinder:

historical facts lo personal opinions ki taavi ledani manavi


Agree. Mana Indians history maintenace lo weak kadha. Edi nijamo etla decide chestham.
Time lo konchem back velte kamma & velama similar untaru. Inkonchem munduki velte all sudras similar untaru inka inka munduki velte anadru similar untaru.
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 11:57 am:       


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personal opinion


historical facts lo personal opinions ki taavi ledani manavi
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 11:56 am:       

some last names are similar anukunta.

FC sudras ( reddy, kapu, kamma, velama ) are all similar anedi personal opinion.
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 11:55 am:       


Mamamiya786:

Neni anedi kakateeyula vadda senani ga vundatam valla vachhindi ani derive chesaru ...





neni is derived from nayakulu word....ther is a village named veeramachanayakulapalem in krishna dt....veermachaneni is a popular kamma surname
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 11:51 am:       

how many of us know proper andhra history?....this is another reason for cultural confusion among telugus...few books we have on andhra history were written with a marxist perspective
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 11:50 am:       


Pathfinder:

Kamma & Velama, all the surnames equal, gothras also exactly the same



varni,avuna?this is news to me ! never researched on velamas though :-)
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 11:49 am:       

where does koppu velamas fit into picture?
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 11:44 am:       

Kamma & Velama, all the surnames equal, gothras also exactly the same

inko story entante

poorvam eppudo famine osthe, Kamma vaallalo intlo aadollatho saha andaru polam lo pani chesarani, kaani kontha mandi kamma vallu polam pani seyyaledani, aallu pani seyyakapovadam moolanga chivaraku unde polaalaku neellu raaledani, itla anni oorullo chese kamma vaallani pani chese kamma vaallu veli vesarani, anduke velama ani peru ochindani sebutaaru

ippatiki kancham daggira viyyame kani, mancham daggira kayyam ani antaru

ante baaga friends ga untaru kaani, pellillu cheskoru ani

saala mandi velamas friends unnaru, too good as friends na varaku
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 11:34 am:       


Vjavasi:

he people who sat and had the food together are called "Kamma" and who left with out having food are called "Velama". Originally both the "Kammas" and "velama" are same.[8]




inko story kuda vundi ..raju gari wife kammala story (chevi pogu ).

Exact history evariki tleiyadu ..evaristam vachhinattu varu rasukunnrau .based on inscription.

Neni anedi kakateeyula vadda senani ga vundatam valla vachhindi ani derive chesaru ...

kakateeyula time kammas prospered ani talk. Some kammas claims kakateeyas are kammas ..

indian histry chala obscure ga vuntu nid ....manaaki future kosam histroy ni rayali ane allochana ledu ..
putrthy ga histroy was written based on inscriptions and kaavyalu .

Pemmasani vaallu kamma ani kamma antaru ..but historians say they bare balija/kapu ....
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 11:23 am:       

kamma,velama,kapu castes ki roots okate ani chadivanu some telugu history books lo (i think andhrula samskruthi,charitra 1&2 by kambhampati satyanarayana)
but i dont think the exact origin is during palnadu battle.kamma vari charitram book lo kuda different different versions icharu kani pinpoint ga okati ani cheppaledhu.
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 11:14 am:       


Vjavasi:

" CHAPA KUDU" .




chepa pulusu?
 

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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 11:06 am:       

veella surname lo neni common, gothralu kooda common...do they have common ancestry?........if so when did they divide?...the wikipedia article on velamas says the following...were they divided by religious and social ideologies?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velama_(caste)

[edit] Palnadu BattlePalnadu region is located in Guntur District of Andhra Pradesh. Dodda Nayudu and his son Brahma Nayudu served as ministers under Haihayas kings such as Alugu Raju ruling at Macherla. Brahma Nayudu-a Kamma warrior strived for progressive and egalitarian ideals. Nalagama Raju and Narasinga Raju were ruling at Gurajala, a small town near Macherla. Nagamma, a widow and an orthodox minister, did not relish the progressive ideals of Brahma. In a fight, a popular sport of those times, Macherla lost to Gurajala. Brahma and his followers had to live in exile as part of the gamble. Subsequent to the return from exile tensions between both the kings led to the battle of Palnadu (1182 CE) at Karempudi village. Macherla was defeated, a generation of warriors perished and Brahma Nayudu took to renunciation. Brahma nayudu called all the castes and religions for a combined meal where every one equally sits together to eat food which is called " SAHAPANKTHI BHOJANALU" , " CHAPA KUDU" . The people who sat and had the food together are called "Kamma" and who left with out having food are called "Velama". Originally both the "Kammas" and "velama" are same.[8]

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