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     Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8434 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.173.199 Rating: |
This is strange, that they did not even care to listen. At this point you should have escalated and gone beyond the PM - asked their boss and the PM to come to a meeting to present the risks you foresee with the PM's approach. The important thing is to keep that escalation objective and stay away from fingerpointing or you set the perception with your management of being a whiner/tattler.  aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8433 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.173.199 Rating: |
Well said ! When the customer has no budget, timeline or quality constraints , yes any team can deliver without a manager.It is when there are constraints on these that you need a PM
Was this not the contention of this thread to start with
Current role lo performance apparaisal responsibility ledu - because I have too many people working on my projects, it does not make sense. A resource manager needs to have small teams they can mentor and grow on career paths - and they have the appraisal responsibility.I give feedback on the team members to these managers. But the managers do set objectives for the team memebers.I have other means to recognise my team members But in past roles I did have that responsibility and yes I did set quantifiable objectives. However, all said and done , appraisal ratings are gradings on a curve - depends on how many high performers you have in a team as too many "outstanding" ratings are frowned upon and so are too many "needs improvement" ... so unfortunately if you have many high performers in a team the ratings will take a hit. aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8190 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 173.39.70.139 Rating: N/A |
expert replace chesi .. aware of .. ani pettandi ... and that is what is a PM ... we dont have PMs for no reason right :-) I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8189 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 173.39.70.139 Rating: N/A |
there ought to be a difference between a professional and a non-professional worker ... and IAS officer is too high in the cader to compare with a project manager or 2nd level ... show me one IAS who works in any of those mentioned departments with out a having a group 1 cadre officer, who has so much of decision taking capabilities and a out right professional graduate or higher degree I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14625 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
Elca mama, mangers ni office loo yee rozu thappugaa maatladledu..aallu bewarse ani thelisaaka thappa...maa gatha naalugu PMs thoo yenno one-on-ones loo seppa...ayya baabu...if I propose a solution or suggesting to take a different route to address a solutions, I am not expecting you to follow that. There are many things that we disagree on, all we need is a dialog. If you don't agree with what I say, please let me know the reasons why you disagree. I might not be seeing the other side of the coin. Intha kanna inkeemi septhaaru. There wasn't one, at least one meetings to discuss on any disagreements. Time and again, e-mails chesina kooda lekka ledu, manam power centers sotto ooguthaa vuntee, ilaantivi gurthukuraaru (maa PMs gurinchi). Yemaindi, last ki projects sanka naakaayi...blame game shuru ayyindi...aallu chesina mess memu multiple times too many hours etti clean cheyyalsi vacchindi...chesinanduku...director deggara nundi okka appreciation letter & $100 Amex gift card padeesaaru....now tell me what should I had done in that situation? CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14624 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
 ELCA  CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Nagfanscom Junior Artist Username: Nagfanscom Post Number: 68 Registered: 12-2006 Posted From: 115.113.76.194 Rating: N/A |
MANAGING SHOW: Manager run the SHOW Func, Tech & QA Archs will take care of Deliverables Tell me how can an IAS officer works A)in various capacities: Collector Secretary in a Minnistery Secretary in Planning commission and Other Boards B)in various departments: Finance Revenue Irrigation Fishries Mines R&B Home Excise Civil Supplies Power Transport Health IT Etc..... What degree, he holds? What domain, he owns? What Tech/Eng, he drives? }} | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 20673 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.181.54.77 Rating: N/A |
akkada exact adhe jarigi untundi anukunta. I had several times, been in teams where lead,manager were juniors in terms of overall IT. but they joined earlier climbed , i got late so downgraded level kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM | ||
| Oohlala Junior Artist Username: Oohlala Post Number: 418 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 174.109.5.168 Rating: N/A |
Basky, basically the whole company follows a common scale, it is not upto individual manager's discretion. For ex: For each grade within the team - 10% exceeded expectations; 80% - met expectations; 10% - below expectations. And the team is rated relative to other members and that ofcourse is your manager's discretion. Btw, above example lo mostly 90% team unhappy Jalsa, if the rest of your team in 6-7 years senior to you, aren't they in a higher grade? If so, you shouldn't be rated along with them. If they are in the same grade, then your manager is probably appeasing those folks who have probably been in the same grade for the past 6-7 years. Maa vadu couple of years back, I don't have a reason, you just got to wait for your turn ani cheppadu ofcourse manaki blood boil ayipotundi. Thinking, reasoning cheppatam varake baguntundi | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8185 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: N/A |
same thing .. nenu oo madiri ga seppanu .. nuvvu janalaki artham ayela seppavu ... I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8184 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: N/A |
nuvvu kuda manager va .. leka aspiring manager va ... I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Megastar Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 22417 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 206.208.231.61 Rating: |
orayya work ni patti manager kavali... oka 10mil dol turnover company ki sap ettali antey okkadu saalu... oka billion dollar company ki which has manufacturing plants sap ettali antey okka supply chain loney 3 or 4 teams untai..finance lo oka 5 esko....ilantotiki manager lekunda chesthey client company ammeskuni batanilu ammukovali... andharoo managers ni dnguleduthunnaru...endhukantey meerantha efficient.... but therez a flip side to the coin....wat about in a team when a team member was hopeless n manager has to rise to the occassion n take that guys responsibility....nenu masthu saarlu chusa....maa manager kurrod iit lo Bachelors ,iim lo mba and he was cleaning idocs and addressing design issues when someone we hired was found to be a fake..he didnt even fire him and let him stay n learn..he now heads the whole india capgemini for sap practice n I never heard him bad mouthing that guy.... mutual respect undali...manager kabatti eedu waste antey emi cheyyalenu.... sarina kirakk managers unnaru....they sleep for less than 5 hours a day.... waste managers kooda untaru....but as far i saw in my area...domain knowledge unna manager project ni rough adisthadu...lenodu team members ni rough adisthadu | ||
| Gandhiguevara Hero Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 12738 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 98.210.96.94 Rating: N/A |
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| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8183 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: N/A |
nee jimmada ... ninnu oo desi company lo manager ni seyale ... one more observation, desi companies lo egos mari ekva untayi ... evadanna manager elli ... other forums lo .. i delivered this, i delivered that ani annadani telsindo .. vaniki next project lo .. senior tech people, sukkal supinchi vodultharu .... alage managers kuda senior tech people ni ela debbaddama ani ready ga untaru .... manchi alternative dorikithe ... reverse lo kummutharu ... I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14623 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
Starting 12/31 NJ loo Oak Tree Road chowrasthaa loo Mysoore Bonda with Kobbari Pacchadi bandi yeduthunnarantaa...yelthaavaa GaGU? CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14622 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
idhi maa company loo maata...I don't know about other companies! CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Gandhiguevara Hero Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 12737 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 98.210.96.94 Rating: N/A |
thread motham sadive opika ledhu...highlights ettandi please | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 20672 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.181.54.77 Rating: N/A |
annai mee range ki u can easily very good offers osthai kadha.. why dont u get and baragin if necessry kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14621 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
Annai...budget is different from ratings...ee rating vacchindi antee definite gaa intha increase raavaali ani rule yeemi vundadu...last 2 years..there were no salary increases, but, alaa ani performance rating aaparu kadaa? what if your entire team or majority of them performed exceptionally? Allocated budget kaakundaa...Admin amount ani (director discretionary) vuntundi... you can convince your director to get some extra money out of that Admin pool apart from your regular department budget! CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Jalsa Moderator Username: Jalsa Post Number: 14816 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
antha discuss chesaaka, pls don't feel bad, you are doing an excellent job ani lechi vachi bujam meedha cheyyesi, pls continue the good work and don't ever feel that your work is not being recognized annaru. emi chestam. | ||
| Jalsa Moderator Username: Jalsa Post Number: 14815 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
idhey annai naa baadha. veediki gathi leka untaadu le emi adagakunda ani anukuntunnaaremo anukuntunna. Manager ki cheppaanu, to me, more than the monetary part, recognition is more important (not that money is not ani kooda cheppa). assalu too much. inka comments okati. i hired you when you didn't have too much experience (true adhi) ani, nenu cheppaanu, how long should i live in that shadow? Am i not doing good work ani. | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 20671 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.181.54.77 Rating: N/A |
antha scene undadu. every manager gets his bucket of budget(bonus) for his entire team. laakotam peeekkotam anni aaa amount lope jarigipovali. its basically reverse engeneering kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM | ||
| Jalsa Moderator Username: Jalsa Post Number: 14814 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
Chiru_fan annai, sorry to hijack your thread. Just wanted to vent my feelings here. next year nunchi oka senior lead ni manager kindha pettaaru naaku. his explanation was a bit ok for me. but i told him, frankly that i am not expecting anything next year as well ani. | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14620 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
Nenu chepthaa...inukoo...my sr.mgmnt told my sr.manager that only one "exceeds" should be give to a team ani...antee migithaa vallu yelaa pani chesinaa vallaki raadu ani meaning....HR valla deggariki vella...assal yee basis meeda ee instructions vacchayi ani adigaa...yevoo panikiraani reasons chepparu..nenu alla mundu stats etta...now tell me why I cannot give "exceeds" rating to the team members who really deserve ani adigaa...neellu namilindi...mee Sr.director ni adugu annadi...alanee ani aame deggariki pooyi explain chesaa...saree ivvu annandi...and 3 out of 4 got exceeds (coz, they truly deserve the rating)... daanamma...pani chesinavaadiki kooda rating thakkuva isthee...how are we really motivating that individual to contribute more towards the project/company? CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 20670 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.181.54.77 Rating: N/A |
11 years Industry tho chepthunna. I saw somes cases(companies) where MANAGER said, EVERY YEAR YOU are Getting, Lets give Other a chance to get HIgh rating ani. ila chala petty reasons untai.... this was also expressed by my friends also in thier companies. kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM | ||
| Jalsa Moderator Username: Jalsa Post Number: 14812 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
naa badluck entantey i'm the youngest in my team. andharu atleast 6-7 yrs more experienced than i am. you still have time ani kooda cheppaar naaku karmai!!!! adhem reasonoo | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 11624 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.23.137.235 Rating: N/A |
typical desi companies ki process edo okati undati kabatti mangers peddaga avasaram ledu prati projectlonu manager okkade redundant ga kanipistadu  Nandamuri Rajni zindabad- OT & co Akkineni Rajni Zindabad -KNF & co Mega Rajni ZB - Papi & co | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14619 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: |
Inkokka important vishayam cheppatam marichaanu....we didn't had any manager (idhi okka 3 years kindata) for about 9 months...we were directly reporting to our Sr. Director. Minimum supervision lekundaa 9 months effective gaa work chesaam..results soopettam! Anand garu...pai statement yenduku cheppanu antee...just to let you know that we have a very knowledgeable and committed team. So, PMs vundagaa projects fail ayyayi antee yelaanti paristhithoo meree oohinchandi! CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Jalsa Moderator Username: Jalsa Post Number: 14811 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
annai, nenu cheppaanu kadha, i love my manager. Never seen a person work so hard. But, ilaa without proper reason antey unable to digest. I am all for constructive feedback, which will definitely help me in becoming a better team member. This year 2nd time velli matlaadaanu i still think i deserve a better rating after all i have done this year ani. basky cheppinattu 1,2 ke ivvaali annaaru. why not me in that 1-2 antey, no reason. I just wanted to know how Anand gaaru or PMs here in general manage this. | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8181 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: |
almost all the projects, irrespective of the domains, can be run with out having any manager ... the quality of the deliverable may vary, the timelines may be different .. but eventually a team of technical people will be able to deliver any project, with out the help of a manager ... no matter how much challenging the prj is, how much of innovation we have to do ... before you jump the gun, look at open source projects .. none of them have any manager on board ... what ever microsoft put together in the name of network file system protocol called CIFS, over years ... open-source guys could reverse engineer and re-implement the same on Linux, and called SAMBA ... so what value add that manager has to bring in, in to the project?? if he is going to say, i am no expert, i will use excel/power-point/outlook and track the team ... the manager is just doing a house-keeping job ... positively influencing the decision making process in the project, is key to manager's success .. for which he has to become part of the decision making body ... for which he needs to have domain knowledge ... I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14618 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
Chelli...adhi mana paina vundee vallani batti kooda vuntundi! CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Jodhaa Hero Username: Jodhaa Post Number: 15529 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 184.36.97.13 Rating: N/A |
yeah work enjoy chestham kani recognization e undadhu.. | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14617 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: |
Jal MOD...you are correct! do you know that the #1 reason for people changing their jobs (antee recession market loo kaadu general gaa), it's due to the managers.... naa matuku naa last job just manager gaadi valle resign chesi vacchesaa... CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 20669 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.181.54.77 Rating: |
performance ratings in fulltime companies is a SHAM process. The manager already gets the list from toporder saying only one excellent, few AboveAvg rest ok,below avg etc ani kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM | ||
| Jalsa Moderator Username: Jalsa Post Number: 14810 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
Emo, I am enjoying my work as FTE. opportunities baaney vastunnai. avi grab chesukuni chesinaa result recognize cheyatledhu anna feeling. unable to get over it. | ||
| Jalsa Moderator Username: Jalsa Post Number: 14809 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
aadini gentesaaamu le. aadiki kopamochi resign chesi, verey dept ki poyad | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14616 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
Jal mod...meedi NJ...maadi MD! CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Jodhaa Hero Username: Jodhaa Post Number: 15528 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 184.36.97.13 Rating: N/A |
one thing I learnt with my previous job is, FT job sucks..performance, appraisal antha gaali lo maatalu..Contracting is the way to go... | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14615 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: |
antey...mee compiny loo kooda maa copiny type loo ebraasulu vunnaraa? CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Jalsa Moderator Username: Jalsa Post Number: 14806 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: N/A |
endi annai, kompadeesi nuvvemaina maa company aa endhi | ||
| Jalsa Moderator Username: Jalsa Post Number: 14805 Registered: 02-2008 Rating: |
pinni, meeru performance appraisal chesetappudu or chese mundhu mee criteria, parameters ento clear ga cheptaara mee team members ki? This year, i worked my azz off (pardon my french), and i definitely think I went above and beyond my objectives. Even my team members, first level project manager gave great feedback (as told by my manager). Still i did not what i expected. This really really bummed me off for an entire weekend. On top of it, there was no good reason given as well. I think one of them is "consistency". I clearly explained to him what i achieved and he acknowledged every thing but still did not give what i expected. I love my manager for what he is, but this really hurt me and am not able to get over it till now. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8432 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.173.199 Rating: |
Adi oka industry lo nalugu projects cheste automatic ga telustundi Evari industry has a process blueprint to follow And with experience you know the weaklinks in the chain and potential risks...Ee thread lo discussion started with PM should have "deep" knowledge Personal opinions can vary - but on large projects like the Boeing example - A PM may have expertise in one or two areas, the rest he/she has process knowledge and that is usually sufficient aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14614 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
Antey maa place saana special anna maata ! Maa place greatness yemitantee, aa 4 projects were lead by 4 different PMs who didn't had any decent knowledge in our domain and we try to let them know many a time, on why not to go in the path that they were going....yevvariki valle pootugallu kaabatti maa maata yevvaroo lekka cheyyaledu...I took it to the attention of next level mgmnt. vallaki sava laksha panulu anukuntaa...."nee froblem atunchu...naa froblems yevadi thoo seppukoomantaavu" anee meaning loo maatlaadaaru! kaamedy of Khatmandu!CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 20668 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.181.54.77 Rating: N/A |
when did he say 'EXPERT'. atleast some knowledge info annadu kadha. atleast PM should know what the engineer/cabinman/architect are speaking if its delay or anything and it should not be felt like greek&latin kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8431 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.173.199 Rating: |
Manchi question adigaru So the compliance person expects the PM to be an expert in regulatory requirements. The engineer expects the PM to be an expert in engine performance and tuning. The communications guy expects the PM to be an expert in Radio /ATC communication protocols..the cabin furnishing guy wants the PM to be an expert in aircraft interiors and entertainment systems ... Is that even feasible ? aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Elcaminocapastrino Megastar Username: Elcaminocapastrino Post Number: 22415 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 206.208.231.61 Rating: N/A |
Ippudu PM ki domain exp ledhu anuko how can he manage??? Iam a pm and I have to oversee the manufacturing of a boeing.... i dont know about federal regulations , safety protocols , any contractor can screw me over timeline , any raw material supplier can screw me over the price .... and the efficiency with which project has to be addressed shrinks considerably because of my lack of domain knowledge....I dont have to be an expert but I should know about boeing industry n the tools they use to manufacture it if I have to manage it properly.... | ||
| Mental_sachinodu Side Hero Username: Mental_sachinodu Post Number: 4716 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 71.91.7.127 Rating: N/A |
from what I have seen a new PM might not have enough domain knowledge in the beginning, but in time, they learn enough to maintain the project. just like a developer, or an architect. domain knowledge ki project hiring ki relation pedithe, adhi mostly domain experts, and domain architects ke effect avuthundhi anukuntunna.. a tester might have more domain knowledge than a programmer, and a PM, but his role is only to test. the world of appearances may or may not be real, or both may and may not be real - or may be indescribable; or may be real and indescribable, or unreal and indescribable; or in the end may be read and unreal and indescribable - its all Syadvada | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8429 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.173.199 Rating: |
Oka chinna principle gurtu unchukondi life lo and career lo help chestundi - when communication breakdown occurs it is rarely the fault of any one side completely.. Without knowing the specifics of the project, issues and the big picture , it is difficult to understand why project after project in your place fail due to bad project management unless it is the same project manager running all those projects... But like I said earlier in the thread, maybe its time you took this up with your management and asked them to revamp their project methodology with your suggestions for process improvement
You are welcome I have all the patience to explain to the people who want to sincerely understand/learn Otherwise its just a waste of my time aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 8540 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
2 years ago naa year end review lo anni good, super ani last lo oka comment vesaadu naa manager "You are too nice to people. You are too nice with your team, business users etc. You got to be rough. You got to act like an a'hole" ani face meeda smile miss avvakunda cheppadu :-) Whatever you do in life will be insignificant. But it's very important that you do it  | ||
| Pomegranate_life Comedian Username: Pomegranate_life Post Number: 1439 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 32.97.110.60 Rating: N/A |
Annai first quality is to pay attention to details. pain Point cheppindi
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| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14613 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 170.22.76.10 Rating: N/A |
Bhiku bhai...meeru kooda PM ani vinna (PMP)... meeru kooda kaastha flood light veyyandi ee topic meeda CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14612 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 170.22.76.10 Rating: N/A |
/I am unfit for a PM role / Nuvve ee maata antee yelaa? CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Mrhyderabad Side Hero Username: Mrhyderabad Post Number: 8537 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 167.230.38.120 Rating: N/A |
Naa own exp tho nenu telusukundi emiti ante... I am unfit for a PM role  Most of the wall st managers agree that "If you want to be successful as a good manager... you got to act like an a'hole" Whatever you do in life will be insignificant. But it's very important that you do it | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14611 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 170.22.76.10 Rating: N/A |
/Developers couldn't BS with the guy where as current PM, you butter him enough, you can make your mistake as someone else's in the team./ Thanks for bringing up this point...Anand garu..I asked about the above mentioned question as well CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Dreamcatcher Comedian Username: Dreamcatcher Post Number: 1129 Registered: 11-2009 Posted From: 208.86.145.68 Rating: N/A |
PM ki domain knowledge meeda total command undaali. He should have a clue about technologies they are using to implement their project. Current PM has zippy technical knowledge. Any production issue, team discusses problem little bit technically, PM nunchi "..please explain in english..." ani smileys etti email vastadi team andariki. On contrast, previous project PM was a database developer who moved up the chain to become PM. Guy had absolute command on what customer wanted, how it was being implemented, what technologies were being used, what were the alternative technologies evaluated, etc. I mean, he was on top of things, even when we ran into issues with chosen technologies during development, he was always on top with researching and trying to discuss solutions with developers, etc. Developers couldn't BS with the guy where as current PM, you butter him enough, you can make your mistake as someone else's in the team. | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14610 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 170.22.76.10 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu, I had a meeting with my PM this morning. Tried to explain why I want few items to be accomplished in a certain way for the project. I explained it to her, she didn't got it, I prepared a simple excel sheet with all the facts and showed her...she still didn't get it... What she is mentioning about the work doesn't make any sense and definitely that's not an efficient way to accomplish the tasks. Yemmanna antee manaki budget vundi consultants ni theevocchu antundi.. the problem is not about resources, the problem is the way she is envisioning the entire project.... yeemi cheyyaleka bayataki vaccha.. because of bad project management, maa company loo rendu saarlu suffer ayyindi maa team (few years back).. all these things made me to ask questions about project management.. CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Bhikhu Side Hero Username: Bhikhu Post Number: 7630 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 148.129.129.154 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu thank you for sharing your exp..mi lanti vallu kada nerchukovalsindi chana undi C'mon man | ||
| Raman Comedian Username: Raman Post Number: 1076 Registered: 01-2009 Posted From: 159.182.1.4 Rating: N/A |
Tlead1 Customer ki aakali vestondi palav pedadama ? Tlead2 Sambaru annam pedadama ? PM Palav pettandi sariga rakapote backup ga sambar dinusulu readyga unchandi | ||
| Pomegranate_life Comedian Username: Pomegranate_life Post Number: 1437 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 32.97.110.60 Rating: N/A |
For your kind reference
vertical silos eh ?  A good PM/Manager is judged based on his choice of words as in WE/Our instead of the Superlative 'I' as there is no 'I' in 'Together Everyone Acheives More work. May be you should visit the famous quote by Oscar wilde on 'Assumption'. While we are at it ,you *may* wanna read Patrick Lencioni about the dangers of silos in your business.
Reminds me of Tom Smykowski from the cult-classic movie 'Office Space'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUipWNw0new Tom Smykowski : Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people? Priceless
My Way Highway ani Rajnikanth style lo chepparu kada http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuO21QHaU74#t=3m46s oh btw I am just a typist who has no clue beyond my 15.4 inch screen  | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8163 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: |
the 'too big a team for too small a problem' was a pun to say that 2 seniors pros solving a problem would not listen to a manager unless otherwise the prb is too small and they are not too keen on pursuing it as their personal agenda ... when the stakes are high .. the manager obviously has to play a role for which he needs to analyze the data that the senior pros bring to the table ... if manager is only going to look at their conclusions like impact to schedule, resource etc., that manager is not qualitatively analyzing their data ... if a manager is only good at excel, outlook and power point ... most of his data is given by others, meaning he can not deduce qualitative data from any discussions .. and then he becomes the first person to be dispensable from the team :-) I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8426 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.205.12.199 Rating: |
Chivuks, Meere annaru 'too big a team for too small a problem'. of it's a big problem it definitely needs to be analysed critically before making decisions - and that's what you did not think was needed if the PM can dictate -not my style anyway And I did not trivialise you projects - I said they are different. Anta defensive take teesukovalsina avasaram ledu anukunta. As you yourself said you have not worked on projects like I described - but those are what I do and have been doing for many years - so different organizations different role definitions and different projects Aa okkati adakku - don't think I have seen it but evariko nachaledu ani na siggy na posting style marchatam anavasaram - show me a CBA for the change requestaa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8160 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: N/A |
aa okkati adakku movie chusara :-) I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8159 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: N/A |
when did i say such a small problem?? that is extrapolation to avoid the problem statement i believe ...
of course we work very different kind of project ... the kind of role that you are envisioning for a manager, i never worked under such managers ... and now before you extrapolate that i worked for trivial projects .. i worked for companies like Sun/Intel/Cisco ... I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8424 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 166.205.12.135 Rating: |
Ek, Lol naku avasarame - smiling is good for me, it keeps my thoughts positive , my spirits high and I like the cheerful yellow smilies - glare anipiste sunglasses pettukondiaa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 11609 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.183 Rating: |
anni smilies avasarama adhyaksha ? Nandamuri Rajni zindabad- OT & co Akkineni Rajni Zindabad -KNF & co Mega Rajni ZB - Papi & co | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 20599 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.181.54.77 Rating: N/A |
pls see 10+years exp and career change thread. TIA kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM | ||
| Oohlala Junior Artist Username: Oohlala Post Number: 407 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 174.109.5.168 Rating: N/A |
You may not agree with your instructor but the above statement is true. A PM is generally not expected to have SME knowledge. It is not a requirement. But if you do get a PM with that knowledge, it may be good for the PM, and I don't think it will make any significant difference to the rest of the team. Just to provide an analogy - do you think a PM will know every technology, a manager has every skillset his team has and a director encompasses the spectrum of skillsets his managers have? Also, I am hoping that you missed two days of training because of other reasons and just not because you do not have a common view point. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8423 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.173.199 Rating: |
Have to bake cookies for school and royyala iguru for dinner Eppudu adugutaru how do you find time - ani - adi kuda oka PM skill - activity sequencing and scheduling - ma vadi homework chesinanatha sepu I parallel tracked homework supervision and answering your questions- now I have to move to the kitchen Put your questions in - time unappudu answer chestanu aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8422 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.173.199 Rating: |
That's a common problem - and this is where numbers and analytics come in handy Never say no to the sponsor - just hand him the bill(estimate) and timeline impact for the change (s)he wants. But as a PM I always have multiple solutions and cost impacts ready for them to make a choice. Its their money and the impact is to their benefits - they decide where they want to spend it - my job as a PM is to offer solutions and educate them on the impacts And business sponsors usually understand those numbers and impacts better than the technical jargon aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14592 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
what if this is to do with a resource who can control the project - especially if that person is from business community who is the actual sponsor for the project (this happened at our place) CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8420 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.173.199 Rating: |
Ascertain the cause first - could be under-estimation to begin with, dependencies preventing completion or lack of expertise etc.. Each has a different solution approach.. If it is lack of expertise , offer help, training , and if its an attitude problem , plan to switch out the resource- every action has to be assessed for impact to project cost and deadline though
Thanks Been living and breathing PM all these years so I better be able to articulate what I do , right aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14591 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
Please answer my above question? CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 20598 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.181.54.77 Rating: N/A |
bhayya, PM MEANS CLIENT SIDE PM. consultant PM aithey excell, lekkalu eskovali, offshore/onsite coord. practically ga jarigedhi chepthunna kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8419 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.173.199 Rating: |
No - I did not mean entire work - I meant their own work. Software development requires an analytical and detail-oriented mindset that usually does not usually deal well with ambiguity They like to know exactly what to build before they do it and its what their role requires. And a PM's work is dependent on other people work, changing business needs, risks materialising and stakeholder's whims and fancies - a PM's most critical quality is to think on their feet and change direction fast if needed aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Desparado Side Hero Username: Desparado Post Number: 3313 Registered: 02-2009 Posted From: 76.4.158.114 Rating: N/A |
Very well put...can't agree more with all ur posts in this thread.... @Chirufan.....even the project mangers who are technically strong or developers who go up the ladder to become PMs eventually loose their technical expertise and improve thier managerial skills ...thats what hey are paid for ...thats what they bring to the table ... Industry is a bussiness..no body pays no one for nothing ..every Position has a specific role and thats what they are hired for | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14590 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
What if you (meaning a PM) is a consultant, who does not have a complete idea about the client's workforce. What would they do if they find that the project is skipping the schedule? I'll re-phrase my question "What should a PM do if the schedule is slipping" CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 20596 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.181.54.77 Rating: N/A |
I thought you were pulling the strings rather sarcastically.. meaning they r not good at thier own work but they want to control entire works kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8417 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.173.199 Rating: |
LOL - why does it always have to be A Vs B? To me everyone on the team has a role to play - and please quote what made you think I undermined developers aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 20593 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.181.54.77 Rating: N/A |
looks like Anand is batting for the PM'S and undermining the engineers/implementors whe actually build that... NOT APPRECIATED.. kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8414 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.173.199 Rating: |
Depends on the size, scope and nature of the project and organisation.If its a small product development team - there is very little integration involved- in this case there is a smaller PM effort. A part time PM or a technical lead who doubles as PM will be enough and effective. If the nature and scope of the project is large and multidisciplinary then the role of the PM moves up to the big picture of impacts, driving vision and providing business solutions - not just IT solutions
Remember the PM has to bring value to the organisation and the customer - their responsibility is deliver the project - if the team does not see the value they bring to the table then I would question the processes and clarity of roles and responsibilites in the organisation I find it surprising that you think the PM has to interview every team member before putting them on the team - there is a reason there are skills databases in organisations and performance appraisals and peer reviews - its not so hard to find out who ranks where I do not interview every java developer or mainframe developer or UI developer even for hiring - I let the recognised experts in that area to do that As to trust, yes I trust my team to deliver their best - and I verify if they are on schedule, quality and have review processes by experts to ensure things get done the right way And that was the mindset change I was talking about - developers like to be in control of every piece of work , PMs job description is to deal with and manage ambiguity aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14589 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu.. the purpose of the thread for me is to really understand what's a PM's role is and what it should be? I am not talking it as a waste of cost, but, want to know is it the same way every where? does they should be knowing the subject, if not, what's their role? as you've mentioned that most of SMEs doesn't have the clue about cost, scope etc...my question is what would PM bring to the table without even knowing about the subject? how can they blindly trust their leads or architects (meaning how can they know that these guys are good at their subject) CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8413 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.173.199 Rating: |
And if two technical pros are arguing about such a small problem and need a project manager to tell them the way to go within their domain - I would question the quality of the "senior' technical pros too ...hence the smiley I think we work very different kind of projects and with very different kind of people - most of my team does not need that kind of hand-holding
Then I would say one of these people needs to take up the role to become a project manager But unfortunately, most technical SME's have no sense of cost, scope and time management..Its easy to scoff at people on the other side - and yes I have come up through the developer ranks - been there done that Na projects budget ee year 15 mil. Guess how much of the scope was the development portion. Less than half - the developers have no clue what else is happening in the project outside their little vertical silo...the architect has the technical integration picture - the business lead has the process integration picture and I as a PM have the total big picture of process, technology,procurement and marketing integration - guess who owns the vision ? If the purpose of the discussion is to denigrate the value PMs bring to projects - that is your prerogative.If you believe so strongly it is useless, then you should convince your organisation to cut that cost and let the techies handle the project. If your purpose is to understand whether you want to move into a PM role - we can continue the discussion aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Basky_indya Megastar Username: Basky_indya Post Number: 20588 Registered: 10-2007 Posted From: 72.181.54.77 Rating: N/A |
Agile SCRUM Model lo 2 years ninchi chesthunna. Daily bendings. Slowly all the companies will change to this model. kRUshITHO nAsthee dURbhikSHAM | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8156 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: N/A |
war vache lopu .. they can move to another kingdom I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 5712 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 96.18.85.62 Rating: N/A |
Project lo only tech decision mathrame untaya? PM brings in his part on how the budget, schedule, etc, are affected by that each of the tech alternatives. He needs to negotiate with the customer on one of these alternatives. | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8155 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: N/A |
thammud .. if you want to see PM as a rubber stamp, aka our governors ... then it is fine .. manager has to, and some managers really bring in that difference ... one data point to analyze the capabilities of a PM ... is how much your team is innovating ... a successful PM always has a good visualization of how the solution his team is developing is deployed and used in the field .. he can be a very good decision maker when it comes to validating a new idea will fly or not in the field ... if you have to take a new/ground breaking idea to the product-marketing/customers, i would prefer a manager to do that than a technical lead I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 11598 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.183 Rating: N/A |
managers are like samanta rajulu. War rananta kalam emi sesina chelluddi War vachaka saraina time lo saraina decision teeskopote paguluddi . So he/she depends on his/her intuition and trusted technicians Nandamuri Rajni zindabad- OT & co Akkineni Rajni Zindabad -KNF & co Mega Rajni ZB - Papi & co | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8154 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: N/A |
chiru_fan brother .. dilbert sadive alavatu leda .. too much untayi .. you should see how management is depicted in those comic strips I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14587 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
yeemi decision theesukookapoothee aa PM yenduku? CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Indiarocks Side Hero Username: Indiarocks Post Number: 5711 Registered: 09-2008 Posted From: 96.18.85.62 Rating: N/A |
I think this decision is to be taken by the tech lead, not the proj manager. Lekapothe tech lead enduku? | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14586 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
mee jimmada...serious gaa esina naa thaaduni kamedy seyyakandi fleez! CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14585 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
 India 5-0 on NZ effect aa Eka? CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 11597 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.183 Rating: N/A |
excel colors datec change tools kuda vadda? Nandamuri Rajni zindabad- OT & co Akkineni Rajni Zindabad -KNF & co Mega Rajni ZB - Papi & co | ||
| Maverick Megastar Username: Maverick Post Number: 23229 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 76.23.85.55 Rating: N/A |
u can see a real proj manager in largescale complicatd projects..for example petronah owers build ki proj manager oka woman..just imagine how hard it would have been..arakora proj mgrs ni choosi aa field mottam vishayam leni field anukovadam amayakatvam | ||
| Gandhiguevara Hero Username: Gandhiguevara Post Number: 12651 Registered: 10-2009 Posted From: 98.210.96.94 Rating: |
project management ante oka 25 words jargon vuntundhi..ave repeated gaa vaadithe vadni project manager antaaru...schedule,deviation,quality,productivity...etcetera | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 11593 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.183 Rating: N/A |
managers are like mods kontamandi N mods undochu kontamandu M mods undochu Nandamuri Rajni zindabad- OT & co Akkineni Rajni Zindabad -KNF & co Mega Rajni ZB - Papi & co | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8153 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: |
I dont know why you need a smiley here though ... "Put all the options on the table and decide on what is the need of the moment - tactical or strategic" i guess you are talking about the projects where there is ONLY black and white ... if 2 senior pros are willing to tell the pros and cons of their points .. and sit and willing to listen to you ... you got too much of a team for too small a problem ... I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14584 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu...I am not calling a PM as PC....my question was "if a PM does not have a domain and some decent knowledge on the underlying technologies used in the project, then what's the role of that person either without domain knowledge and/or knowledge in technologies?" My view of PM is something that this person should have a decent domain and technical knowledge to provide a good direction to the project. In my example that I quoted, every one in my team (who possesses excellent domain/technical knowledge and has tons of experience) is laughing at this person (the new PM). They are quoting "Here we go...another person with all style and no substance... the same old buzz words without real meaning attached to it). CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14583 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Maverick Megastar Username: Maverick Post Number: 23224 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 76.23.85.55 Rating: N/A |
the relationship between a project manager and a team member should be like fish and water, but it should not be like a fish and fisherman. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8412 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.173.199 Rating: |
EK , LOL you are entitled to your opinion Talk to you all later aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Eluri_kurradu Hero Username: Eluri_kurradu Post Number: 11588 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 173.16.22.183 Rating: |
PM are mostly fakes Nandamuri Rajni zindabad- OT & co Akkineni Rajni Zindabad -KNF & co Mega Rajni ZB - Papi & co | ||
| Stud Side Hero Username: Stud Post Number: 2289 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 75.73.129.107 Rating: N/A |
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| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8411 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.173.199 Rating: |
CF, Whether you call them manager or co-ordinatpr does not matter - but what you do not see is IT is only a portion of the work - there is a significant business component involved in large enterprise projects that is also the PM's responsibility to deliver like KKD said part of learning as you move up the roles aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8410 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.173.199 Rating: |
Chivuks, If 2 experts do not agree all I have to do is ask them to walk me thru the risks and benefits of each approach it works very well cos each can Speak to the benefits of their own approach and the risks of the other guys approach ... Put all the options on the table and decide on what is the need of the moment - tactical or strategic Chiru_fan I involve my leads in picking my team - business ess, tech and testing. We have an architect involved in scoping itself who identifies the impacted sytems and technologies - never had an issue with not gettin skillsets aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14582 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
I agree and that's where my first question is about. When a PM does not have a domain knowledge and/or technical knowledge, why would we need him/her? Or, if we have to have that role, then why call them as PMs and why not project coordinators? because, in my personal view, there is hell a lot of difference between PM and a Project Coordinator. CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Bushu Comedian Username: Bushu Post Number: 1248 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 4.26.17.58 Rating: N/A |
IT projects ki software product development projects ki chala theda untadhi bro. | ||
| Bushu Comedian Username: Bushu Post Number: 1247 Registered: 04-2009 Posted From: 4.26.17.58 Rating: |
people skills, business knowledge lo grip undi tech weak aithey upper management deggara marks kottestharu. tech strong undi other skills weak untey lower ranks lo perosthadhi but upper management does not really care. rendu strong unnodevadu project manager job lo stick on ayi undadu, he will move on to something higher. ultimately appeasing higher management is the name of the game and so you see PMs like that. | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14581 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
I agree with you...and I am not saying that a manager has to have answers for all the questions. But, if the manager doesn't have a decent domain knowledge, how can he/she determine what's good and what's not good for the project? CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8152 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: N/A |
chiru_fan .. one last .. all the ground breaking technologies were delivered with people having hands-on experience .. let it be the processor innovation, web, cloud, what ever .. if you are really interest in how technology intensive projects are run .. look at open-source community .. you dont have any managers there, who are not hands-on ... and they have the bolls to challenge the proven players in the industry I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8151 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: N/A |
chiru_fan ... just one more answer to your questions, out of all my experience in software development .. a manager need not have answers to all questions ... but you are better off as a team/organization .. if he is aware of ALL the QUESTIONS ... esp if your's is a technology driven company like google/netapp/yahoo etc., I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8150 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: N/A |
JMK ... at no point i talked about code ... if a manager has to wait until the developer delivers the code and test team says it is the worst of the quality ... then we do NOT need manager ... mark it,he is not doing any value-add. I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14580 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
Anand garu...When someone doesn't have a good knowledge about the domain, how can they be in a position to identify/determine the right resources? How can you be sure that someone who can boast about himself/herself is the right person to deliver the goods? CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8149 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: |
how do you decide who is the right resource?? and if 2 such resources get down to arguing on a technical issue, let it be requirement/architecture/high-level design, would you remain a mute spectator?? the current organization where i work (it is technology intensive company, and i worked in half a dozen such companies before) ... several managers who are in KEY positions (responsible technical deliveries, not just managing customers/clients) ... they have a few to 100 patents on their names ... I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Truelies Side Hero Username: Truelies Post Number: 5892 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 207.166.204.5 Rating: N/A |
not 100% correct. manager will NOT rate based on how efficient dev is writing the code. that is decided by testing team which is different. manager will decide rating based on - - is dev meeting deadlines? - is dev preparing all required documentation? - is dev delivering bug-free code? (based on testing results) - is dev pro-actively taking up issues & work items? - is dev maintaing company process and policies in day to day work? - is dev helping and taking initiative with his peers? - is business happy with code delivered by team? itla lot of items untayi...to decide that manager doesn't need to have technical skills. www.prajarajyam.org - The account has been suspended. | ||
| Anand_n Side Hero Username: Anand_n Post Number: 8409 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 72.179.173.199 Rating: |
Not necessary - it depends on the organisation and the variety of projects handled.Project management is a domain-independent skill and knoledge base. The principles and deliverables apply across domains - not just IT but across all kinds of projects. I have run IT projects since 91-92, ranging from mainframe, EDW, web, print and doc management across business domains and different methodologies from waterfall to agile..and I am confident I can run any project, not just IT .Infact I apply the same rules and principles to events I have run on the cultural front The key to Project management is not expertise in the domain - like I said I don't need the ability to dance to manage a cultural show. That is the domain experts role .PM's role is to be able to apply the right resources at the right time to deliver best value for the customer.You don't have to have every answer , but you sure need to know who to ping for the answer.You have to have people you trust to give you the right answers - on the technical, business, testing risk fronts. And then you have to remember not to second-guess them unless you have a good reason to.The project manager is responsible for balancing and managing scope,cost,quality beside some other key functions. The PM is the liasion between the customer and the team and has to balance the interests of both - so it is imperative, they can converse with both sides intelligently managing expectations.I do not have to fix the bugs , I need to understand the impacts, communicate them to all concerned and get the right resources to work on it in time .Ee year rendu projects on diverse platforms touching multiple technologies and totally different business domains - with a combined team of about 150 people - there is no way I could have known all the technical areas involved but delivered successfully Its a different skillset and more importantly mindset.A lot of people have trouble transitioning from technical to PM roles - others do it seamlessly aa chal ke tujhe main leke chalu ik aise gagan ke tale jahan gam bhi na ho, aansoo bhi na ho,bas pyaar hi pyaar pale | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8148 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: N/A |
chiru_fan .. oka chinna example cheptha ... in one of the groups that i worked ... almost 200 people were there .... the senior manager who was running the show, was running the show just like what this so called instructor prescribed ... for about 10 years time frame, they did not produce a single new product in that domain .. they were all more than happy 'maintaining' the legacy code/technology ... for which i would believe even 20 people would have been enough ... it was a great gala show for 10 years .. there were so many awards/rewards ... until some re-org happened .. the new VP realized the actual situation in the group and ordered heavy down-sizing ... and set a tough road map to improve revenues .. 2 years down the line ... we delivered 2 power packed products/features ... we faced lot of obstacles in between .... and eventually that senior manager along with his buddies moved over to another BU ... and there was evetually lot of attrition in that group, as people DID NOT like the new game and rules ... I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14579 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
andukee ee statement "Project Management is wider subject than a deeper one... you don't need to have the in depth knowledge, but needs to have idea on various areas and a PM can work on any projects with different domains (meaning IT, Construction, Pharma etc)." vinagaanee aa instructor ki vishayam ledu ani telisi bayataku vacchesaa! Sachim thammi...paina mention chesina project ki just "manage" cheyyatam vacche PM vasthee kinda pani cheseevallu kosi sethiloo edathaaru! CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Chivuks Side Hero Username: Chivuks Post Number: 8147 Registered: 07-2008 Posted From: 72.163.216.217 Rating: N/A |
it all depends on what kind of project that you are running ... oka mutyala subbayya, oka bheemineni .. can never manage a project like Magadheera ... oka kodi rama krishna .. could not have managed arundhathi with out syam .. but SSR could have pulled off Magadheera under any banner ... analogy kosam vadanu .. if you are doing a routine Y2K kind of project ... any manager can do .. if you are doing app development on J2EE .. you need a manager who can do good customer management well ... if you are managing a sustenance project for a storage domain .. you need to understand technology also ... you would most probably be normalizing a lot of decision making arguments, for proposing the right fix .. have you ever worked on a project, which delivered a windows kind of OS, google kind of search engine, cryptographic engines for VPN, File systems, cloud, network security, threat defense .. kind of projects ... you would almost always find a manager who have very good technical skills ... with out which he can not rate even the performance of his team members, at the end of the day .. horses for the courses .. bottomline I am a Gultu to the core, for me there is ONLY one Super-Star | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14578 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14577 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
KKDan bhayya...knowledge vunna vaadini knowledge vundanee chepthaamu kadaa! I am not claiming that a PM has to have a through tech knowledge (it's the programmer who has to possess), but, without domain knowledge of a particular area, how can someone do justice to the job. The last 3 projects that we had were FAILURES and I time and again reported this to my senior management, they now got a consulting firm to do the project, but, the PM from their area looks like same (bit better though from the past 4 PMs). Apart from that, we hired a PM (consultant) from outside to represent the client, but, even that person don't have a good domain knowledge. CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Emc2 Comedian Username: Emc2 Post Number: 1376 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 70.174.180.39 Rating: N/A |
rules ela unna if you have business/technical knowledge you will have a good grip on project and team at any point of time neeku stress undadu team lo healthy environment untundi. if you have only people management skills there it comes politics pressure etc.. endukante as aleader you don't no what is going on your project mee team vallu picholu chesthunnaru ani anumanam etc vasthayi.. business/technical knowledge unte job safety kuda untundi. | ||
| Kkd Hero Username: Kkd Post Number: 18835 Registered: 02-2008 Posted From: 115.242.208.134 Rating: |
Cycle of life.....Programmer Lead ki emi telvad...motham antha nene chesthunna/choosthunna....anukuntadu Lead and Programmer think Manager gadiki emi telvad......motham client/customer tho meme direct deal chesthunnam....anukuntar... Manager emo Director gadiki emi telvadh...projects anni nene manage chesthunna...vadu waste anukuntaad.... As we pass through each stage of life....we will experience all those stages one by one..... | ||
| Ashton Side Hero Username: Ashton Post Number: 9673 Registered: 05-2008 Posted From: 66.90.104.94 Rating: N/A |
I've seen some really dumb American project managers in my life....They have zero tech knowledge and they act like CEO's/CIO's of the company. | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14575 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
True mama, when they don't know about the domain and the details of the project, what would he/she be really doing there? I'll let you know what happened just a week back at my office. We started a project few weeks ago ($4 mil budget). We got a consulting firm to work on the project. We started having project planning related meetings. Every one was speaking about the different aspects of the projects, while the PM was trying to make a point there, but, due lo lack of good knowledge, no one was paying attention to him. I know that he is the one who has to prepare the documentation, but, without the help of other people present, he is not in a position to take any decision and all this is because lack of knowledge in that area. CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14574 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
idee point nenu cheppedi! CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Dosakaaya Side Hero Username: Dosakaaya Post Number: 4608 Registered: 02-2010 Posted From: 151.191.175.206 Rating: N/A |
sollu cheppatam... good negotiation skills... pushing buttons at the right time... avasaram ayyinappudu kurrola bend tiyyatam... btw, project maangement ki ippudu too many standards vunnai... PMI institute PRINCE - UK valla standards Agile (->Scrum) PMI & Prince models lo you don't really have to be domain expert... but scrum/agile lo it's a kind of contrast... | ||
| Risingstar Hero Username: Risingstar Post Number: 19249 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 68.80.52.251 Rating: N/A |
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| Truelies Side Hero Username: Truelies Post Number: 5891 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 173.224.223.150 Rating: N/A |
Idi misconception. PM development or coding cheyyaru. valla responsibilities are different. they typically look into planning, scope, resource management, timelines, budget, quality ilanti chusthu untaru. oka team member ki technical issue vasthey, PM vachi adi resolve cheyyali anukontaru kontha mandi (saying in general). manaku java vasthey, mana PM java lo mana kanna pedda thopu ayyundali anukovadam wrong. www.prajarajyam.org - The account has been suspended. | ||
| Abhysg Side Hero Username: Abhysg Post Number: 4093 Registered: 08-2008 Posted From: 72.68.118.208 Rating: N/A |
domain knowledge undali.. msoffice+project lo strong unte salu.. migata tech anta imp em kaadu.. but high level overview undali | ||
| Katthi Comedian Username: Katthi Post Number: 1535 Registered: 07-2010 Posted From: 24.34.29.159 Rating: N/A |
Project Managers ki functional knowledge undali kaani techinal knowledge unte konchem advantage anthe.. Papi gadu post este katthi la digali | ||
| Sachin Megastar Username: Sachin Post Number: 21643 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 68.227.206.200 Rating: N/A |
yes..resources ni effectivega vaadakalagali...ofocurce, domain and tech knowledge lekapothe apudu lead manchodu ayyundali | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14573 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
manage seyyatam vasthee...antee just co-ordinate seyyatamaa? leka pure resource management aa? CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14572 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
Thank you Dinu...ippudee choosthaanu (aa e-mail nenu pedda gaa vaadanu CCDB purpose kosam create jesukunnanu) CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER | ||
| Sachin Megastar Username: Sachin Post Number: 21642 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 68.227.206.200 Rating: N/A |
manager ki tech, domain knowledge akkrled anukuntunaa...janaaanni manage seyyatam vasthe saaalau tech anthaa lead choosukuntaad | ||
| Dinu Comedian Username: Dinu Post Number: 1172 Registered: 09-2009 Posted From: 122.169.170.74 Rating: N/A |
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| Chiru_fan Hero Username: Chiru_fan Post Number: 14570 Registered: 04-2008 Posted From: 108.12.174.55 Rating: N/A |
I have few questions regarding Project Management (purely IT related). I think there are quite a few PMs here in our DB. I hope I can get my questions answered. 1) I believe that a Project Manager has to have a very good domain knowledge and the technologies used in those projects. But, I didn't yet got a chance to meet a person with that knowledge (gatha 4 years gaa maa company loo...got an opportunity to work closely with 4 PMs in different projects). Am I assuming it wrong? What I believe is that if a PM doesn't have a very good domain and underlying knowledge in technologies, how can that person run a project? I mean how can he/she choose the team/how can he/she make sure that someone is not bluffing/how can he/she make correct decisions during crunch time of a project? BTW: I recently attended a Project Management session (3 day @ my work location) conducted by a consulting firm who specializes in project management (at least that's what they claim). I asked the same question to the instructor on day 1 and her answer was "Project Management is wider subject than a deeper one... you don't need to have the in depth knowledge, but needs to have idea on various areas and a PM can work on any projects with different domains (meaning IT, Construction, Pharma etc)...naaku mind block and I didn't attended the day 2 and day 3 of those sessions" more questions to follow! CHIRU - SACHIN - FEDERER |
