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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 03:06 pm:       


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ade kinda cheptuna detail .. ollu deggara pettukuni .. saduvu, o sari prasantamga pakkavadu chepedi vinu.. oka post vesav READ the response..


}lite le lo tammi not point providing details to people who only want to say what they want to say and not hear anything else
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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 03:00 pm:       


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Anna.. guddukovalsina avasaram ledu. .mana deggara techn ledu.. aaa vision ledu.

anthe.. ISRO kinda thisukonchi.. autonomous cheste for sure develop chestam..




guddukovalsina avasaram endukochindi ?

nuvvu gbalupu comments cheyadam valle..

mana degara technology ledu (for now) - vision UNDI - execution lo fail avtunam..

ade kinda cheptuna detail .. ollu deggara pettukuni .. saduvu, o sari prasantamga pakkavadu chepedi vinu.. oka post vesav READ the response..}
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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:58 pm:       


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Anna.. guddukovalsina avasaram ledu. .mana deggara techn ledu.. aaa vision ledu.

anthe.. ISRO kinda thisukonchi.. autonomous cheste for sure develop chestam..
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:55 pm:       


Starc:

sare anna nivu topuvu kaani..




naku nee certificate avsaram ledule kani..

nee badha emiti ?

1) 1 flight cost 15 million unda, 16million unda ?
2) Desam lo emi technology ledu.. akkada anta errollu untar

naa point simple - 2) neku analsina avasaram, anta knowledge ledu.. so fold chesko nee comments..
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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:52 pm:       


Baatasari:




sare anna nivu topuvu kaani..

That engine which was chosen is the F404-GE-IN20.


After evaluation and acceptance of technical offers for both the Eurojet EJ200 and the General Electric F414, the commercial quotes were compared in detail and GE's F414 was declared as the lowest bidder. The deal covered the purchase of 99 GE F414 engines, an initial batch will be supplied directly by GE and the remainder to be manufactured in India under a technology transfer arrangement.[142][143] According to the IAF, adopting the new powerplant required a three-to-four years of redesign work.[144]
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:45 pm:       

0 knowledge on what we are building - i gave details, and he wont Read.. and writing shxT again like this :


Starc:

it is known that we are not capable of building any technology and we are only good at assembly.




ninna aa TM ivalla eeyana.. asalu rase chetha ki arthame ledu.. malli legends, and people have been tolerate such garbage posts..

he has proclaimed himself authority - "it is known" to whom ?
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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:40 pm:       


Baatasari:

mari facts teliyakunda.. pratee thed loki vachi okate post..

"another gorre"
"another gorre"

anta kindal chese badulu mee expertise toh desanni udharinchali ..


baata thammudu nuvvu starc aka papi vuncle posts mari serious ga teesukunttunattu unnav..there is a reason why everyone call him papi feku..over the years he has earned that title and keeping it with him since years..madyalo option_genius gave him a tough fight but he retired..papi posts ki ni amulyamaina time waste chesukoku..
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:37 pm:       


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http://www.chalanachithram.com/discus/messages/115/392667.ht ml?1551375577
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:37 pm:       


Starc:




Avanni after market lo used prices saami
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:36 pm:       


Starc:

7 Flanker -- List price: $22 million. ...
Boeing F-18 Hornet -- List price



adi sare 15 crores ki emi jet vastundo post cheyyandi
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:35 pm:       


Starc:

You are in assumption that we are very well equipped with a fighter jet.




you have assumed - that i am in an assumption - xxx...

i gave you exact details,below, on the issues that are plaguing the project, what are the downfalls, whats hindering us .. i am OPENLY RECOGNISING the problem..

i am only askign you to stop making trivial statements like this :


Starc:

it is known that we are not capable of building any technology and we are only good at assembly.

Most of the Tejas technolgy is not home build. we are just building frames etc ..




do you know what part of Tejas Tech is borrowed or home-made..
you have sources, or is it ur "assumption" again..



Starc:

you need not know in/out of the technology to get the real picture.



idi asalu ultimate non-sense..
what tech do you work for uncle ?

ofcourse ..i dont see this conversation as a patriotism at all -
i am only opposed to posting non-sense, and kindalling others without any substance..
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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:34 pm:       


Starc:

Most of the Tejas technolgy is not home build. we are just building frames etc ..


you are very ill-informed my friend. if you have time to to the BRF forums and go through the detailed threads about Tejas. Just quoting something that someone said is not going to cut it. Agreed it took time to be where we are thats because everything is built within our borders save few things. If you dont know where to look I will point out
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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:32 pm:       

Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 Fulcrum -- List price: $40 million. ...
Boeing F-15 Eagle -- List price: $100 million. ...
Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker -- List price: $22 million. ...
Boeing F-18 Hornet -- List price: $92 million. ...
Lockheed Martin F-16 Falcon -- List Price: $34 million. ...
Why fighter jets are important to investors.

https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/06/07/fighter-je t-worlds-top-10-best-sellers.aspx
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:30 pm:       


Enigmatic:

anonymous internet boards bring out the worst in people or may be they are just being themselves without pretending to be politically correct like they do in real world




maree anon-Dbs kante.. i can say this is a wide-spread disease in this DB .. specifically..

ppl just want to unleash vulgarity.. ika daniki limit ledu..
CBN is bad CM ane daniki.. CBN dog antaru..
malli entra idi ani adigite.. u r hurt, dont read posts, no DB antaru.. people have become in-sensitive to such abuse.. and oka user ila highlight aite, changed his Id - day is not far, when sm shxt being said here gets some1 into trouble.. so..


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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:28 pm:       


Baatasari:

its not like looking at stackexchange and borrowing Helloworld..
DB lo .. ilanti 0 knowledge posts, and then trivialising the entire process - its EXTREMELY insulting - i am specifically referring to Starc..



I know very patriotic but you should come out that thought process of feeling we are always on top and no one can beat us.

it is known that we are not capable of building any technology and we are only good at assembly.

Most of the Tejas technolgy is not home build. we are just building frames etc ..

you need not know in/out of the technology to get the real picture.

People always say.. first recognize the problem as a problem. if you cannot agree that we cannot build any of the aviation techonolgy there is no point in even think about anything. You are in assumption that we are very well equipped with a fighter jet.
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:27 pm:       


Baatasari:

tic:



anonymous internet boards bring out the worst in people or may be they are just being themselves without pretending to be politically correct like they do in real world
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:21 pm:       


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Baatasari:

DB lo .. ilanti 0 knowledge posts, and then trivialising the entire process - its EXTREMELY insulting - i am specifically referring to Starc..




and i have seen many others too.. doing this..
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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:20 pm:       


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nannu tidutunnara
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:00 pm:       


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the more pertinent Q to ask is -

did people here, put in efforts to figure WHY ? we are using Rusted equipment.. constructive discussion..
like oka IIT vadu, ilanti under-the-hood issues cheppakapote teliseva ?

-- another example --

India doesnt have tech to make civil planes.. same reason.. to test the aerodynamics of ANY vehicles, we need Wind tunnels.. countries like France have dedicated Wintunnels that get powered by dedicated PowerPlants - we neither have space, nor the power facilities .. ela cheyali ?

people do CFD models on computer, then miniature models in Windtunnels.. the result is you test,test, iterations..
---

mari facts teliyakunda.. pratee thed loki vachi okate post..

"another gorre"
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anta kindal chese badulu mee expertise toh desanni udharinchali ..
pls only take my words in +ve .. its a request only not kindal or abuse..
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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:59 pm:       

nani vuncle,

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:58 pm:       


Starc:

poyyi russi vadiki 15 crores iste.. dani babu lanti jet istadu.. avasaram manaki ippudu




oridemma
ninnu defence minister cheyyalsindhi
what a vision, what a decision making

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:54 pm:       


Baatasari:

hat is all i will giv



agree completely. it is a huge industry and no country wants to lose the market. govt. should atleast try to run drdo efficiently without redtape.
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:48 pm:       


Enigmatic:




its not such an easy job right..

for example - all IITs that have Naval,Aerospace branches - have SANCTIONS against those departments - like Profs cant travel to certain countries, there is no exchange of information..becos of world-politics, certain OTHER countries secretly come to agreements in back-door and coperate research..

for ex; securing flight data samples, its a nightmare cos all data is in US.. and depts have sanctions..

so ila pieces, pieces ga manaku dorikina data tone.. instis like ISRO,DRDO etc develop in-house technology..

its not like looking at stackexchange and borrowing Helloworld..
DB lo .. ilanti 0 knowledge posts, and then trivialising the entire process - its EXTREMELY insulting - i am specifically referring to Starc..

you are an excellent keyboard-warrior.. that is all i will giv to you..
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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:47 pm:       


Starc:

poyyi russi vadiki 15 crores iste.. dani babu lanti jet istadu.. avasaram manaki ippudu


15 crores ki fighter jet..dheniki rahul gandhi ki puttaboye buddod aadukodanika...
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:43 pm:       


Starc:

iste.. dani b



russia emanna dollar store 15 kotla ki aircraft iyyadaniki. 30-50 million vundi
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:38 pm:       


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in terms of technology it is not a such a huge leap kada compared to making aircrafts etc. bullet proof vests, tupakis, helmets ee type vanni latest vi koni amazon basics vadi laga cut copy paste chesukunte better emo :-). lot of govt. owned industries including the govt. administrative machinery is not equipped to operate efficiently.
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:37 pm:       


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Migs contract ee adi.. they would build and teach how to make jets.

failed miserably to learn and establish. .ippatiki mana sontha engine ledu..

jets lo engine lekunte.. enduku aa doppa fiber glass dome cheyyadanika TATA vadiki contract icchindi?

mana deggara.. navigation tech ledu, engine tech ledu.. defence tech ledu.. mana sankalu guddukovadaniki matram anni ekkuve..

reality lo brathakandi ra babu.. emi chusi sontha jet development chestaru?

repu Europe tho chedithe oka part radu.. usa tho chedithe engine radu.. china tho chedithe inkto radu..

ila dependant ayya miru jet develo chesedi..daniki 500crores peduthara.. ?

poyyi russi vadiki 15 crores iste.. dani babu lanti jet istadu.. avasaram manaki ippudu
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:32 pm:       


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entavi ?




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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:31 pm:       


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cos investment, involvement in Defense systems.. is a huge national issue..

it will require much more political disco.. and the impact is forever..

Amazon India lo FDI ke.. govt ni shake chesar ..
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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:29 pm:       

sontha aircraft inka time patocchu. why doesn't india manufacture its own advanced tupakulu anipinstundi. they can hire para desis and take their help for in making tupakis. adi kuda enduku cheyyaro when there is a shortage of equipment.
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:29 pm:       


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+1, i had made same points. a while back..

and ninne evaro id made more specific comments abt Kaveri.. maa profs dobbul ette varu ee proj ni kampu chesaru ani ..
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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:27 pm:       


Baatasari:

mari IIT kurrol .. desam lo matti pisakala ?



competitive pay ichi world class research facilities undi ..edhava politics in qork lekuntey.. everyone will join.
Manam pettey kharchu ki vellaki manchigaa pay cheyyochu..

Naa uddesam , indian govt orgs failed to attract and retain top talent. talented join ayinaa they will not be able give their 100% lack of facilities, redtape, lack of motivation from seniors etc..

In that sense, ISRo made some good progress ani naa opinion
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:22 pm:       


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ikkadey kaaledi.. inni billions of dollars every yr kharchu pedatamm.. DRDO emo very sloww.. mottam revamp cheyyali.. IIT JEE lo top rankers lo cherey type emanna institute and R&D facilities raavali. Kudiritey israel , US ekkadi nundiaa manchi yaa pay chesi professors and experts ni pattukuravali. both in aeronautics and artillery..

konni govt policies relax cgestey still possible emo anipistadi.




ee Starc uncle.. migrated to US, and chest thumping..

mari IIT kurrol .. desam lo matti pisakala ?


on a serious note.. there are folks who are working seriously - not just from IIT, but the awareness, political will .. it takes tonnes of time to clear the way..
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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:21 pm:       

thats ok as long as we are gaining technological advantage

deeniki kuda feathers on egg peekakandi

It's ok

 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:20 pm:       


Starc:


 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:20 pm:       


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much advanced fighters are under 100 crores.




entavi ?
 

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ikkadey kaaledi.. inni billions of dollars every yr kharchu pedatamm.. DRDO emo very sloww.. mottam revamp cheyyali.. IIT JEE lo top rankers lo cherey type emanna institute and R&D facilities raavali. Kudiritey israel , US ekkadi nundiaa manchi yaa pay chesi professors and experts ni pattukuravali. both in aeronautics and artillery..

konni govt policies relax cgestey still possible emo anipistadi.
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:15 pm:       

R&D and the entire red-tape involved.. messed up this LCA project..

ninna evaro id-gave more specific details..
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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:15 pm:       

ilaa cheap ani pakkanollavi kontey eppatiki improve avvam manam
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:14 pm:       


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much advanced fighters are under 100 crores.
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:13 pm:       

own manufacturing kabatti R&D cost untadi.Over the time it will improve.
Unless full gaa delays avutaayi ani doubt untey tappitey we should go for tejas
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 12:49 pm:       

Sukhoi ki changes mana vallu chestharu, same with any flight since we donot want the enemies to have any sensitive information.

F16 kooda emi latest version raavu manaki we get age old versions like compare using apple iPhone 4 now
 

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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 12:46 pm:       

Sources told The Indian Express that in response to a request for a proposal for 83 Tejas Mark1A fighter jets issued by the IAF in December last year, HAL quoted a price of Rs 463 crore per jet in April. This raised eyebrows in the government, sources said, as the price compared unfavourably even with more modern foreign fighters.

âThe HAL supplies the more modern Russian Sukhoi fighter, which it assembles at Nashik, at Rs 415 crore. The Russians supply it at Rs 330 crore. The Swedish Gripen was offered to us for Rs 455 crore, and F-16 for Rs 380 crore, and both were to be made in India. The HAL itself gave us Tejas Mark1 at Rs 100 crore less. This price for an improved version seems high,â sources said.

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