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Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2018 - 03:12 am:       

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Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2018 - 01:59 am:       


Lenin:

pure communism




This will never work because man inherently is selfish

so the real communism/socialism will always remain a utopia
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2018 - 01:54 am:       


Lenin:




Nenu cheppinde nuvvu cheppav

Imperfect capitalism is always better and imperfect socialism/communism is worst ani
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2018 - 01:33 am:       


Awara1984:




u have given wrong statement buddy

Imperfect capitalism is much better than pure capitalism...pure capitalism ni nuv tattukolev


on the other hand, pure communism is better than halfhearted implementation of it
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Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2018 - 01:10 am:       


Lenin:




imperfect capitalism is better than imperfect communism/socialism

that is what hisory says
 

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Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2018 - 12:54 am:       


Awara1984:




rhetoric kakanda emanna matladu pls as if Capitalism resulted in a perfect society

every 10 yrs a downturn and then bailouts for corporates...unfortunately communist states ni bailout cheyataniki evaru leru
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Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2018 - 12:52 am:       

Socialism/Communism Happens -----> Then the System Collapses -----> Then they argue that it wasn't real socialism/communism system

and then the cycle repeats

you can check it from Russia to latest example Venezuela
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 11:24 pm:       


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What do u mean by Greece is part of EU
Does EU have any say when Greece is about to lay it's budget down?
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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 11:21 pm:       


Brightlife34:




Again same thing
Communist manifesto Lo emaina rasara increase the public expenditure by hook or crook Ani ...

Why are conveniently ignoring multilayered fx policy which propelled the inflation ?

Asalu communism ante free food ane thinking Ki enduku vastaru ? Oka vela free food ekkuva mandiki ivalsi vachina tax rates penchichu kada higher brackets Lo unnolla Ki

Most of the communist countries collapsed because of insurgencies and regular interventions from the west to destabilise them

In fact e thread Lo unna okkalla Ki kooda teliyandi entante current form of capitalism highly relied upon money multiplication arithmetics with neo imperial policies ... it's almost on the death bed , only countries like India are trying to restore it single handedly
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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 10:12 pm:       


Brightlife34:



Soft landing
Bad=had
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 10:11 pm:       


Lenin:



Greece i part of EU kada. How can they let one country spoil the whole idea.
On last count Greece owes EU around 300b mostly to Germany
They could not afford to let it fail for the broader EU idea..
Otherwise Greece bad 30% unemployment and bad regular ECB interventions basically they are managing a soft launch. They proposed their debt into a 100+ year perpetual bonds with 0 interest . Basically saying FO we can’t pay you we are screwd but we are your problem and you can’t ignore us
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 10:04 pm:       

Communism as an idea ni debate cheyyadam is tough. Looks romantic.
But basic human behavior ni against. Oka kontha mandi leaders or experts sethilo economic matters petti, expecting them to act in everyone’s best interest anedi pedda romantic idea
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 09:59 pm:       


Lenin:

asalu inflation ki communism ki entha relation undi ?




What’s this comedy. Venezuela is mostly oil export dependent but their break even price of one of be highest. Which means it costs more to produce oil and hence they need high oil prices to make money. And why do they take high cost than other countries?
That’s because of guaranteed employment and social schemes. When people are fed with free money and schemes with no check of quality and productivity costs will be high.
Add to it heavy All expenditure is govt funded. So wher does govt get money when ppl are not productive. You either print more money (basically running a Ponzi scheme) or you borrow outside. Obviously Currency will crash.

It’s a bloody cycle. New age economics won’t work basically to break the cycle you have a temporary barter system or external influence to get basic services and economy running. Slowly you use ppl better and hope to have a productive economy. But too much people with few people to let this happen. Won’t happen soon

Btw what’s he point of currency pegging. Many countries have and many do not. But they don’t have same crisis
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 09:19 pm:       


Bharat:




it's because of communism u r working 8 hours per day and getting all your sick leaves, annual leaves and paid parental leaves...

If communism is a completely failed ideology, we would n't be chatting here...entrepreneurs chethi lo cheyinchukunta undevallu since no rules would have been laid upon in the contract of workers

just chill mate..it's not over
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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 09:16 pm:       

communism never seems to work for any country......either it is a failed ideology or the most unlucky ideology....supporters have to decide which one it is
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 09:14 pm:       


Enigmatic:




I don't need to look into wikipedias mate...

I never denied the fact that Venezuela got it's one of the economic curses back in the form of mammoth public expenditure...but that's not 'communism...even Greece did the same , they borrowed loan beyond their capacity and spent the money...what to do with communism and capitalism when you don't have economic discipline...communism never told any one to beg and borrow
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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 09:13 pm:       

Lenin

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let's agree to disagree..
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PERFECT!
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 09:11 pm:       


Gsn1:

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has communist system been properly implemented any where?
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So NOW you are blaming IMPLEMENTATION problems for the failure?




If you are predetermined that I can't 'convince' you, then why would I try to...am an idiot to so?

I know I have tried to answer one of the upper caste liberals in this DB who never know what should be the priority of a govt and what is the priority , but still passing judgements on the failure of communism...


let's agree to disagree..I am nowhere reachable to you, let me live in my well!
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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 09:08 pm:       


Lenin:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivarian_Revolution

c
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 09:04 pm:       

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has communist system been properly implemented any where?
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So NOW you are blaming IMPLEMENTATION problems for the failure?

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Asalu communism anedi name kadu, according Marx it's final stage of socialism and never attained by any country so far...

Communism preaches about centralizing the production and the ultimate ruling power goes into the hands of proletariat...
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The CONCEPT itself lacks very fundamental ingradient (Reward) that is essential for SUCCESS. In theory it MIGHT SOUND great, but bound to fail in implementation because people CANN'T be MOTIVATED.

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U r just confusing urself with running on the surface of the things what u listen...I am 100% sure that u never read what communism is and how economy works..
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I am going by the END RESULTS and by the STATS.

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why USSR failed , is it because of communist policies or the never needed expenditure on technology , cold war and revisionism
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On the other SIDE, USA was exactly same (only difference being Communism Vs Capitalism) and USA is STILL FLOURISHING

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Cuba still is a model state of socialism...why it has n't failed ? can u answer me ? Cuba is better than India
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Again, there could be outliers and Comparing Cuba & India is like comparing Oranges and Aaples.

NO WAY you can convince me that COMMUNISM is BETTER.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 08:53 pm:       


Gsn1:




has communist system been properly implemented any where?

Asalu communism anedi name kadu, according Marx it's final stage of socialism and never attained by any country so far...

Communism preaches about centralizing the production and the ultimate ruling power goes into the hands of proletariat...


U r just confusing urself with running on the surface of the things what u listen...I am 100% sure that u never read what communism is and how economy works..why USSR failed , is it because of communist policies or the never needed expenditure on technology , cold war and revisionism

Cuba still is a model state of socialism...why it has n't failed ? can u answer me ? Cuba is better than India
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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 08:48 pm:       

Lenin

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sare Greece enduku nakipoindi...danni kooda communist lu rule chesara?
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How MANY communist countries FAILED vs Capitalist coutries?

Okati, rendu outliers prathi system lo untai, but communist system itself a FAILED concept.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 08:38 pm:       


Teluguhero:

Shows Why We Need A Museum Of Communism



Tombrady:

socialism and populist leaders



Enigmatic:

idiocy of communist/socialist leaders, bad economic policies, nationalization of industries without paying compensation




maha maha medhavulu antha communism de tappu ani telchara...

sare Greece enduku nakipoindi...danni kooda communist lu rule chesara?


asalu inflation ki communism ki entha relation undi ?

Meeru evaraina Venezuela currency mismanagement gurinchi chadivara? at least currency pegging ante telsa?

prapancham lo ne atyanta chetha exchange rate system ki Venezuela ki undi unfortunately

export income meeda heavy ga depend aina country edi bagupadadu ane daniki example...also for any country itz not good to implement unfettered socialism or capitalism
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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 02:24 pm:       


Hero:

Money vastundi kada Ani free schemes start chesaru ...iffudu denki poyindi



ANtey ippudu maa T emavudii :-(
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 01:57 pm:       

first oil ni nationalize chesi ammakunda mana oil manake sontham type matal cheppi, aa taruvatha oil prices padipotam veelu ammudham anna kooda bokka padatam tho naakipoyar..idhi eppudo 80s 90s..

aa taruvatha malli oil prices rebound, things back to normal..but now meeru venaka paddar mimmalni aadukunta..idhi free adhi free palana shuru...economy problems start avvagane curreny devaluation..ekkuva notelu acchu veyinchatam...edapeda free schemes..solid ga bokka padipoyindhi..

anduke anedhi singapore lo ichar sweden lo ichar manaki GST aa lanti tadu bongaram leni mersal dialogues ki theatrelo whistles esukovachu kaani real lifelo implement chesthe naakipotham...
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 12:57 pm:       


Awara1984:

Calling Lenin ani thread veyyu explain chestadu


oh idhi kuda communist country ey na..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 12:31 pm:       

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/venezuelas-col lapse-shows-why-we-need-a-museum-of-communism/

Venezuela's Collapse Shows Why We Need A Museum Of Communism
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 12:22 pm:       


Raptors:


https://money.cnn.com/2016/01/18/news/economy/venezuela-econ omy-meltdown/index.html




Article from 2016 bhayya...

That was apt for 2016 but lot of mistakes have been done in last 2 years .. they couldnt control the inflation and instead hid it and still went on populist socialist schemes. Also sanctions did not help them and lastly corruption ..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 11:22 am:       

Calling Lenin ani thread veyyu explain chestadu
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 10:47 am:       


Ferrari:

intha oil peetukoni veelu export cheyatledha lekapothe evaru vella daggara nunchi import chesukovatledha



http://imgur.com/OWSullg
sums it up
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 10:30 am:       

same thing that happened to Zimbabwe..

local currency thega print chesi, janaalaki istham vacchinattu panchithe.. inflation will go up exponentially.. simple logik
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 10:25 am:       


Enigmatic:

falling oil prices in past few years


so why is it effecting only Venezuela..why not other oil reserve countries..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 10:20 am:       


Raptors:



https://money.cnn.com/2016/01/18/news/economy/venezuela-econ omy-meltdown/index.html


thanks for the link..that explains the current crisis..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 10:16 am:       

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/11/venezuela-on-t he-brink-a-journey-through-a-country-in-crisis

falling oil prices in past few years, idiocy of communist/socialist leaders, bad economic policies, nationalization of industries without paying compensation. their current president was a bus driver who is just trying to preserve his power.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 10:12 am:       


Ferrari:




https://money.cnn.com/2016/01/18/news/economy/venezuela-econ omy-meltdown/index.html
WE THE NORTH
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 10:11 am:       

Money vastundi kada Ani free schemes start chesaru ...iffudu denki poyindi
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 10:08 am:       


Raptors:

.all imports/exports stalled.


why..whats the reason..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 10:05 am:       

socialism and populist leaders
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 10:04 am:       

country is gone to dogs like Syria...civil/mafia war with govt..all imports/exports stalled...no way they can come back....only way UN or NATO mission tho emanna chances
WE THE NORTH
 

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Posted on Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - 09:52 am:       

Inflation to it 1 million percent by end of 2018 anta..

How a country with high reserves of crude oil ended up in this situation..antha oil pettukoni why everyone is fleeing the country..

konni articles chadivithe aa president Nicolas gaade dheeniki reason ani undhi..can they recover now..

intha oil peetukoni veelu export cheyatledha lekapothe evaru vella daggara nunchi import chesukovatledha..chinappudu Economics meedha koncham interest pedithe antha ardham ayedhi..

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