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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 06:00 pm:       

Yes gandhiji tho salt satyagraham lo palgonnadu AW
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 05:50 pm:       


Andhrawala:

I have been in US since 1964





enti nijama
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 02:54 pm:       


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guruji tookeega matter ento cheppandi antha ekkada chadhuvuthanu ippudu




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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 02:44 pm:       

This description is apt for all males in every country. Same applies to people working in India as well.

It is nothing but life and almost all have the same graph...

20s: Optimism+Energy+single minded focus
30s: SimplePleasures/BasicLuxuries/Stepping up in Social Strata/Family Man
40s: Worry about future,lost opportunities and parents health..but still a ray of hope
50s: Trying to survive/save money for Kids college etc/Worry about health
60s: People with high hopes are disappointed, Happy-Go-Lucky people are happy - most calm down and try to make the best of the time left with loved ones.
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 01:05 pm:       

Boohoo ...Poor little Rich person...whatever
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 12:42 pm:       


Andhrawala:


guruji tookeega matter ento cheppandi antha ekkada chadhuvuthanu ippudu
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 12:36 pm:       


Driverramudu:

Let those ppl leave soon whoever feels us is not worth and go back to India
Let them live happy over there
Better they cancel their GC process so that back logs gets cleared aatomatically
Without change in laws


where is diver post anukunta scrolling up and here you are
You are not born a winner. Nor are you born a loser. You are born a chooser. Choose to win.
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 12:29 pm:       


Driverramudu:


When is party?
I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty and besides, the pig likes it - George Bernard Shaw
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 12:27 pm:       

Long waiting
Achieving at the end
Ichhe kikke veru

One should experience
Knnot xfree in words
Driving is my PASSION.
Ball or Bimmer does not matter.
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 12:26 pm:       


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Weiting for that life changing magical moment bro :-)

Eppudo 20 years ago dream now its becoming true
This is my last best achievement
Nothing gives more jou than this :-)
Driving is my PASSION.
Ball or Bimmer does not matter.
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 11:53 am:       

driver nee gc ragane db lo rakthapatham srushtinchali..
only 17 days for ur pd
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 11:52 am:       


Driverramudu:

Better they cancel their GC process so that back logs gets cleared aatomatically




you created this law ? :D
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 11:42 am:       


Andhrawala:




Inta chaata baaratam enduku bro
Let those ppl leave soon whoever feels us is not worth and go back to India
Let them live happy over there
Better they cancel their GC process so that back logs gets cleared aatomatically
Without change in laws

Finally few who wann live here gets GC easily

It's win win from both sides
Finally happy ending :D
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 11:31 am:       


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they have to be in mars or some other golden warald




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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 11:14 am:       


Andhrawala:


Uncle is very old. near to 70. Works as professor in NCSU

children, grandchildren here

ayanaa parents etc long gone




mari inkendhuku vere valla kosam feel ayipothunnaru...anni anubavinchesi ikkadee...
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 11:00 am:       


Rajusk:

eeyana matram ikkade untara aithe :D




Uncle is very old. near to 70. Works as professor in NCSU

children, grandchildren here

ayanaa parents etc long gone
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 10:39 am:       


Andhrawala:

I advise young folks from India to go back before it gets too late in life and explain to them what I feel NOW.




eeyana matram ikkade untara aithe :D
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 10:37 am:       


Ishan:

This is a never-ending discussion




end comes soon
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 10:34 am:       


Andhrawala:

Maaa oorilo Okka pedhayana view


Very nicely done Venkata garu - I have been in US since 1964 and I have been feeling exactly what you enumerated. I advise young folks from India to go back before it gets too late in life and explain to them what I feel NOW.




meeru venkata or pedhayana? :D
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 10:31 am:       

GC inka ranivodiki ee confusion undadu..
r2i chesina nee kids ms cheytaniki malli us e vastaru
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 10:16 am:       

Majority of friends, siblings and cousins family US lo untaaru for many people these days. Re-unions etc ki ippudu US lo vacchina attendance India lo kastam.
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 10:07 am:       

This is a never-ending discussion mostly because of an almost equal proportion of advantages and disadvantages...while lost connection with parents and other family members is a very important disadvantage, living a life with better standards and better future for children are very important advantages. I guess the discussion comes to an impasse at these two points. Beyond that its just personal perspective, and individual needs...not easy to make generalizations.
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 09:59 am:       

This is common perception among middle class people, who chose to be here purely for money and Quality of life. There were many ppl who did R2I successfully, some who stayed in India for 1-2 years and came back. The primary reasons I believe for staying in US
1) not reaching the financial targets (no clarity on how much you would like to have), 2) great education for Kids (so kids school/college) takes precedence 3) land of opportunities ( You can be a millionaire at any age) 4) Quality of Life (clean air, clean food, comforts)

India will be great if you want to stay at your home town, not working in IT and staying in big cities. For that, we need to have enough(not sure) money to retire from job. 2) No aspirations after retirement except staying at village / local areas. 3) no dependency on kids education. Etc


Rich folks normally study / work for some time and go back. They have a exit plan. Clarity leni middle class ke ee confusion antha
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 09:58 am:       

desis ki emi worth kadu

they have to be in mars or some other golden warald
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 09:49 am:       

s'kai em kaadu...
2003 mundhu vachhinattu vunnadu...
easy gaa 2,3 years lo Gc vachhesthae ee kaburle denkuthaadu...
main issue is immigration ikkada rest annintlo india kanna 1000% times better....
 

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 09:48 am:       

Maaa oorilo Okka pedhayana view


Very nicely done Venkata garu - I have been in US since 1964 and I have been feeling exactly what you enumerated. I advise young folks from India to go back before it gets too late in life and explain to them what I feel NOW.
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 09:47 am:       

The above two r views of two different friends of mine
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 09:46 am:       

Not all in India are contented and lead a peaceful happy life just because they are with their relations it all depends on the state of mind of each individual when the person adopt to the situation no matter he will be happy any where this is what I experienced in my life journey
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 09:46 am:       

My observation is Indians who settled in US with large extended families including possibly parents, siblings and their families are quite happy. But again happiness is a state of mind, one can be very poor and be happy, and vice versa. One can be on an island and be happy or in big joint family and be unhappy.
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2018 - 09:45 am:       

Is Settling in USA worth it for Indians.?
By Venkat Ankam.!!
Lives in Fairfax VA.!!

Let me portray the typical life cycle of Indians in the USA with their living conditions and then I will let you decide whether settling in the USA is worth or not.

As an Indian immigrant in the USA, I have been asking myself this question for a quite long time. The reality is 95% of the Indian immigrants are settling in the US and only 5% of the immigrants are going back to India. I wondered if the âMajor chunk(95%) of people settling in the US are making a wise decision or the small chunk(5%) of people going back are making a bad decision?â So I asked this question to my friends and colleagues from the 95% category but I could not get any subtle or profound answers. It looked like people are just following the crowd or falling into the trap, and not be able to go back later in life. So I did my own research asking specific set of survey questions to different age people. So let me share my findings.

First of all, why do Indians migrate to the US? One single answer for this question is scope for higher income, savings, low stress and a happy life without any common issues we experience in India. Now let's see how these objectives are met during the life cycle of these Indian immigrants. Let me use the word NRI to describe them better.

My survey was limited to NRIs in the field of science and technology who are mostly in working class and also to a few business class NRIs as well. I took ratings on a scale of 0 to 10 (0 is low and 10 is high) for earnings, savings, stress levels, family relationships and happiness from different age categories with their typical activities in their life cycle. I realized that not every NRI in the US opens up because of âprivate spaceâ concept. So I chose people I have good relationship with and who are really open and can share feelings of their life. The Survey was conducted with a casual talk/discussion rather than a professional way of conducting surveys.

Based on the survey results and experiences shared by participants, I categorized the life cycle of immigrants into four different generic phases (Transform, Settle, Growth and Suffer) as shown in the graph below. Every personâs life is different so the depicted life cycle or living conditions may not apply to every NRI. It may vary for few people and life events may overlap between phases. This might be totally different for the new NRIs coming to the US because of longer green card wait time and ever changing immigration policies.

Now let me describe these phases with typical life events.

Transform Phase (21 to 28 years): This an excitement phase which starts right from India after getting the US visa. One tries to get to know the culture of the US, what to do before and after entering the US and starts living the American Dream. Parents feel proud of this great achievement by their kids and start making big expectations and hopes. Starts sharing this news to neighbors and relatives and throw a big party as if their kid already succeeded in life. Arrives in the US without the awareness that he/she broke generations of living together and unity in their families. Typically nobody think or care about how life will be in the US after 40s, 50s or 60s in this stage. One gets really amazed with the best infrastructure of America and starts loving it. Gets used to American life style with few hiccups. Starts making some money and will have parties, shopping, vacation trips and realizes that life is very comfortable in the US. Transfers money to India to support family and talks to relatives and friends and shares the greatness of America. Parents will start looking for a bride/groom. Starts green card process to continue living in American dream.

NRIs are very happy in this phase with lots of excitement and joy that American life brings in.

Settle Phase (28 to 40 years): After a couple of trips to India, gets married and spouse arrives in the US. Couple is very happy in the beginning with vacation trips and parties. Realizes that expenses are higher than living as a bachelor. First baby arrives and parents and in-laws visit America. Advances in green card process, switches jobs and moves to new locations. Second baby arrives and then visits India with kids. Realizes that their parents are not quite happy staying alone in India. Also realizes that India has changed a lot and quite expensive than ever. Thinks that they may not be able to fit in India and also India is not a right fit for the kids. NRIs usually decides to go on the path of settling down in the US with a backup plan of going back. Buys Town Home/Condo and switches to luxury cars. Realizes that single income is not really sustainable in the US. Wife decides to do a job instead of getting bored at home. So Income doubles, savings doubles but stress levels go up. Green card arrives and they feel relaxed of immigration issues. Vacation trips becomes hard with little kids so no big vacations.

Happiness level comes down due to missing family relationships and not able to take care of aging parents.

Growth Phase (40 to 50 years): Moves on career ladder and starts making big bucks and also start making big bucks from secondary sources of income like stocks. Some might start a startup company or any business. Usually pretty busy with kids school and extra curricular activities. Buys a single family home and moves to a bigger home. Kids are grown up now so vacations are back. Parents are not able to visit because they donât like to stay in the US. Also parentâs health will become a big concern. Makes few arrangements for parents in India but they are always temporary. Few realize that their friends in India have made more money in India than them. Realizes that they need to focus more on health aspects so starts some physical activities to keep their body fit.

Higher income, higher savings and most successful phase (professionally) for most people but happiness level further comes down because of lack of relationships.

Suffer Phase (Above 50 years): Kids usually finish their high school and go to a college. All savings will vanish in kids college education. Kids finish their education and start their job at a different place in the US. The couple is alone at big home away from parents and away from kids. They cannot think of going back because of kids and setting up everything from scratch in India would be a daunting task. Whenever they visit India they clearly see that family relationships are faded away because of settling in US. Most people thought that early in growth phase would have been an ideal situation to go back to India before kids enters middle school with a mind set of going back in settle phase.

Most people expressed that âWe got everything we wanted in life, but we lost all relationshipsâ. Some people expressed concern like âI wish I knew the downsides or effects of immigration later in the lifeâ.

Starts indulging deeply in social and charity activities to keep them busy and also for social recognition. Usually takes up American citizenship in this phase while some takes up in growth phase only.

Works until 65 years of age to pay off mortgage and retires at the age of 65. After 65 years they start getting social security and healthcare benefits from government. But they continue to work in some retirement jobs to keep them busy or to earn some extra income for unknown expenses.

Just to summarize, life is happy in the beginning but happiness tends to fade away and brings suffering to life after 50s. Materialistic culture of America makes you a successful person professionally and materialistically, but deserts your life. One interesting observation during this study â most of the people who immigrated to America had no plans to settle in the US and most of the settled ones said, âWe are not sure we might go backâ.

Every NRI looks like a happy person from outside but everyone has a dark side story to tell from inside of their heart.

Life in the US rotates around profession, immigration process and kids. NRIs tend to âsacrifice their life for kids of next generation.â Kids seems to be happy with no complaints about life as they are in young age; the second generation, Indian-Americans, will have friends but might not have family relationships too? So they might end up in the same boat after 50 years age? Needs further researchâ¦

Thanks to my friends, colleagues and elders from community who humbly shared their deep thoughts from life for this small write-up and also helping me to make a strong decision to go back to India.

Hope this helps. Everybodyâs requirements are different. So just a make a firm decision to settle here or to go back based on your own requirements and priorities, not based on what other NRIs are doing.

Update: Thank you Quorans for overwhelming response. I think this post has gone viral â 97K views, 3.7K upvotes and ~700 shares in 1 day. This clearly indicates that most NRIs are in this dilemma. Received 101 comments so far, 80 with positive sentiment, 9 with negative sentiment and 11 with neither positive or negative sentiment. My observations from these comments.

People who expressed negative sentiment are still in transform phase in US or few youngsters in India (Probably with American dream)
Interestingly this was found to be true for other immigrants/expats too, not just Indians.
Most of them expressed a feeling that this is a problem for the first generation of immigrants. Later generations will not have such problems. Need to research this further.
Many people who expressed positive sentiment felt that situation might be similar in India as well. Need to research more in this area.
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