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Awara1984
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Jp_rocks:
https://www.amazon.in/Land-Seven-Rivers-History-Geography/dp /0143420933
Though he tries to cover too many points in a small book, a decent book with easy langage |
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Jp_rocks
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Awara1984:What might be the reason do you think they have stopped at Indus and then developed a civilization and then pretty later on moved further towards gangetic plains
Thick forests may be one reason, crossing those huge rivers might be another ...yes it could’ve been slow migration as they started developing the tools necessary to do with thick forests |
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Tugoboy
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Actually, Suravaram Pratap Reddy in his book tells the same!
Appatlo, Jain and Buddists meeda yuddalu chesi, valla gullani aakraminchukunevaaru ani! Valla devullani, rakshasa devulla laaga chesevaaru ani!
For example, Pothuraju! |
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Awara1984
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Pagan is supposed to be a derogatory word and all non-abrahmic or polytheism religions or gods are supposed to be Pagan
As the abrahamic religions became more popular after christianity all the religions and gods (except parsis) comes under pagans only so most probably Indus valley gods are also pagans |
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Awara1984
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Jp_rocks:Anything to the right of "Indus river" (modern day India-Pakistan) would've been covered in forests, primarily inhabited by native tribes and hence would've been the last tribes / areas to be brought into the fold of "civilization"
Most probably Mesopotamia and Indus guys will be almost similar
What might be the reason do you think they have stopped at Indus and then developed a civilization and then pretty later on moved further towards gangetic plains
I consider it as a more of slow migration as saraswati river slowly dried up rather than an invasion |
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Awara1984
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So all kinds of evidences and even logically we can see that human migration (might be even to and fro) is from Africa, Middle east and then most probably to china
And accepted fact now is Egypt, Mesoptamia, Indus and China are the oldest civilizations even though dates may vary here and there. That is the oldest trade route and there are many evidences these guys even have maritime trading pretty long back
What is the sequence of these civilization development and who influenced who will be tough to find out and more logically thing might they might have evolved together where certain points of time certain civilization is more influential and might have kept changing hands
Saying that someone might have taught some one is false and at the same time claiming that a civilization has developed itself is also false. It is more of learning with each other at the same time it doesnt mean everything would have went smoothly and peacefully there might be small scuttles, wars etc but a big overall picture most probably that they might have been more cordial which helped that evolution.
We can relate this to larger kingdoms at various points of history in various geographies |
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Dts
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Viswamitra:1800 bc nunchi 600 bc varaku and around 623 budhha was born....Rig veda lo only brahmins and kshatriyas gurinchi undi nothing mentioned about other castes.
This is incorrect. All the four varnas are mentioned in Rig veda.
కోటిపల్లికి దారడిగి కొండపల్లికి వెళ్తున్నావేమిటి? ...మనసు మార్చుకున్నాను!
DTS "The digital experience" |
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Raman
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Siloan:
kurradiki sapta vyasanalu whatsapp lo 90 groups dani paina oka fb inko twitter already sagam sankanakindi ani seppadu not interested in db anta |
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Gsn1
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JP_Rocks
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- It is super obvious that civilizations spread from middle east/africa/indus valley/mesopotamia/egypt to the east and west - not the other way around....so the aryans, if such individuals existed, shoudl've come from these areas - definitely not western/northern europe..
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I think on the same lines JP. Ofcourse it is also my own theory. |
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Raman
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Viswamitra:But i seriously doubt the time line of rigveda. as per archelogical survey saraswati river started disappearing around 3500 BC and mahabharata also talks about its disappearing. so by 3700-3500 bc saraswati river disappeared. Asrigveda mentiones sarawati river for more than 50 times is vedic age much prior to 3500 BC ??
time lines decide cheyyadam chala kastam specially because harappa mohanjodaro civilizations according to the survey are only between 3000-1000 so any superior civilization existed before to that period is a debatable assumption..
also I suspect even the time lines drawn of mohanzodaro and harappan civilizations are wrong.. |
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Siloan
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Raman:
vatsapp lo kamlesh ni db ki rammani cheppu
yennallu e romisim
gathamgatha dharmik or adharmik |
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Raman
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Viswamitra:
there is no evidence for what ever you said .. but I am ony talking about discrimination under caste system ..
I said "jathis co existed peacefully before these invasions .. " |
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Jp_rocks
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Awara: So who do you think would have come to this lands and taught civilization to these people and what was the civilization they have built somewhere else
I have my own theory on Aryans as it relates to South India based on what I've read and the facts that make logical sense to me
Facts:
- Earliest Civilizations (populations with social structures and some ability to store food) started in places where cultivation did not require heavy equipment..that means no thick forests or cold godforsaken places (like Southern Asia, Nordics or Northern Europe) - this means earliest civilizations must've started in areas like Middle East, Eastern Europe, Africa, Iran and North western parts of India...we have archaeological evidence to prove this (Mesopotamian, Indus Valley, Egyptian, Greek etc)
- Anything to the right of "Indus river" (modern day India-Pakistan) would've been covered in forests, primarily inhabited by native tribes and hence would've been the last tribes / areas to be brought into the fold of "civilization"
My theory:
- It is super obvious that civilizations spread from middle east/africa/indus valley/mesopotamia/egypt to the east and west - not the other way around....so the aryans, if such individuals existed, shoudl've come from these areas - definitely not western/northern europe..
- now, why do we think someone "invaded" us? I believe, based on the evidence in "Prachina Bharatha Desa Charitra" that we were definitely invaded by someone - so called aryans or whoever...our vedas, starting from rig-veda had depictions of inferior, dark skinned individuals that were conquered...before that we had our own tribal / pagan Gods / practices (continuing to this day in the form of seemingly unrelated ammoru thallis, grama devathas etc) that we were following that were cleverly included into hinduism thus completing the process of our 'civilization' and giving Hinduism its present form..
- these invaders should've been from northwestern india / sindhi area or iran based on similarities in some texts...definitely not west of these areas..
Current day AP:
- Most of us, especially those of us that are dark skinned with blunt features, must've been natives (our current caste may be based on political events that would've unfolded in subsequent years....this explains why people from the same caste have tribes that are light skinned and dark skinned..) to our land for thousands of years..
- Ancestors of those of us that are a bit light skinned must've bred with the invaders forcefully during conquests..
anyway all of these are theories, no one has conclusively identified who those invaders were......so na prarthana meeku kothaga chathaga anipiste pls ignore.. |
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Viswamitra
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Raman:
during budhhas time caste system was firmly present. There was huge sacrifice of animals during yagnas which budhha vehemently opposed as they are livelihood of lower castes..Except cow most animals were sacrificed as per vamachara which was at its peak....vamachara tantra was predominant and elaborate rituals we key in those days..
1800 bc nunchi 600 bc varaku and around 623 budhha was born....Rig veda lo only brahmins and kshatriyas gurinchi undi nothing mentioned about other castes.
In rigveda ganga was mentioned couple of times but river
Caste system was a social order rather than a spiritual order at that time.
But i seriously doubt the time line of rigveda. as per archelogical survey saraswati river started disappearing around 3500 BC and mahabharata also talks about its disappearing. so by 3700-3500 bc saraswati river disappeared. Asrigveda mentiones sarawati river for more than 50 times is vedic age much prior to 3500 BC ??
An interesting article by IISC professor on same topic.
http://www.iisc.ernet.in/currsci/oct25/articles20.htm |
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Raman
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nenu oka history book lo chadivindi entante during guptas perios there was no discrimination ...
faxian travel lo nothing mentioned adi 4th -5th century
hiuen tsanng in the 7th century made no mention of any caste system
caste system manam anukunnahta old kadu ani naa uddesam
it suddenly came into provision because of invasions from outside india
jathis co existed peacefully before these invasions ..
avi chota mota kings era start ayyindi appude .. caste system worst ga ayyindi matram under british rule also in independent india according to most historians
idi system design kadu designed by ever changing fluid situation ani naa uddesam later on ppl misused the system ..
budhism unnappudu kulavyavasta ayite eledu |
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Viswamitra
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@Ravino
There is no doubt on that...asalu ambedkar kanaka christianity loki gaani islam loki gaani mari untey asalu paristhiti oohinchalem...yes nehru insisted him to convert to islam ani ekkado chadiva...ee nehru tata ki islam fetish ento...his opinion on islam is really the truth mana mainstream media danni tokkipettaru...he also said christianity cannot answer supremacy of chruch, pure blood concept apartheid and slavery of black which are akin to the suppression of scs and sts.
Buddhism is an impractical religion and not suitable for economic way of living...this idealistic buddhism weakened indian warfare and one of the causes of repeated lossess on western border... |
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