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Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2017 - 07:22 am:       

ee bt gurunchi cheppevallu china backed indonesia bt project gurunchi kuda cheppandi
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Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2017 - 07:16 am:       


Lenin:

India lo railways valla casualities every year 15000 on an average, where as China it is 1000...


nuvvokadivi, aaku ku puvvu ki difference theliyakunda vaaging....China lo jarige incidents are not openly published....2 bullet trains head to head on collision incident lo they said 50 people died...maa Chinese colleague kukka d'lu Govt ni...she showed those hanging wagons and said minimum 1500 people died ani...nuvvochi performance ki China bestestest antaav....bankruptcy ki example maathram Taiwan antaav
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Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2017 - 07:12 am:       


Lenin gootle:

The Shinkansen technology, which Japan is trying to export is partially successful and only with developed nations in Europe


enti Shankanisen tech Europe lo implement chesindhaa....ye baaaavi lo unnaav...European high speed trains are - Siemens, Bombardier, Talgo and Alstom....rest aakul ikkada...nuvvu, nee linksu...Thaiwan lo bankrupt, Uganda lo no profit, Nigeria lo break even avvaledhu ani savd*s
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Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2017 - 05:45 am:       

aina taiwan vadi picchi gani...vadi country maximum extent is 360 x 150 in area....ante maximum distance between two places end to end is 360 km.....

and how did they think high-speed trains feasible for this small country....its deamed to be failure ...just abv average mid-range trains chesi unte economic ga and anni rakaluga viable ga undedi...
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Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2017 - 03:02 am:       

the reality is high-speed rails are not feasible for many developed economies in the world too....

simple example is of mag-levitation trains monna example iccharu...

i searched about them....actually maglev trains are developed in germany but ikkada they never used those trains.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maglev

1) they are not economically feasible to German public
2)never thought of it as serious means of transport.

but they developed technology and gave them to other countries.....

see now if they are not feasible in Europe, U.s, ausees etc how do you think they can fit indian or other asian ones??

except japan they are not feasible anywhere ....china is exception with the closed Knitty of things.....
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Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2017 - 01:34 am:       


Bharat:

Properly planned mass transit will never fail with the kind of population we have.




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Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2017 - 01:04 am:       

Properly planned mass transit will never fail with the kind of population we have.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2017 - 12:14 am:       


Saidabad:




please bring demonetization FAQ also...thanks !
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Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2017 - 12:08 am:       

Some questions and answers :

Qn.1 The Bullet train between Ahmedabad and Mumbai costs same as flight, and also takes same time. Then why spend so much money ? Why not increase number of flights ?

Ans : A flight serves destination to destination. The bullet train will serve 12 stations in between. With 12 stations on the route having high speed connectivity, the entire stretch will develop as an economic corridor. Once the HST is functional, economic zones will come up all along the high speed network. This will create millions of jobs in next 15-20 years.
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Qn 2 : Why not take soft loan of ₹88,000 crore for improving health and education rather than fancy bullet trains ?

Ans : The low interest loan is given by any country to promote something which is exclusive to itself- be it its own technology or science or defence. Japan or France will not give you free loans for building hospitals or schools as they don't gain anything in that scenario. The loan is SPECIFICALLY for Shinkansen technology, not for any other work.
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Qn 3 : We will be dependent on them. How will it help us in future ?

Ans. : This is not just the money or construction being done by Japan. We are also getting the technology of HST from Japan. Just like we are self-sufficient in metro today (which was also given to us by Japan), we will become self-reliant in bullet trains 15-20 years down the lane.
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Qn 4 : Why Ahmedabad-Mumbai ? Why not other place ?

Ans - As much as you cry foul, you cannot deny the fact that Mumbai-Surat-Bharuch-Vadodara-Anand-Ahmedabad is a massive industrial hub, with these places being economic, trading and financial hubs of western India. The fact that such big industrialised cities are within 500 km makes it (the project) financially feasible. Once successful, 5 more bullet train networks will also come.

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 11:21 pm:       


Right_wing:

BT can cater to middle to upper middle class




lol...
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 11:19 pm:       


Lenin:


lol India's public infra issues can be solved by deploying bullet trains ...




no matter what you do ..there will be rich - poor divide in India and it will only widen in coming days..yes BT can cater to middle to upper middle class and this segment is growing fast in India.

If we go by GDP, Per Capita income .. so called high standard and best place to live ane countries kuda afford cheyyalevu bullet trains.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 11:16 pm:       


Lenin:

lol India's public infra issues can be solved by deploying bullet trains ...


I'm with you man, this is nothing but a waste of money. What good has fast moving transit done to the world anyway
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 11:13 pm:       


Right_wing:

.we are talking about 10yrs time Mumbai-Ahmedabad-Delhi will generate crazy traffic..we will curse present govts after 10 yrs for not acting now.



Andhravodu:

oads are an adequate, but insufficient method of transportation. A more reliable option is rail, water and Air. 4 Obvious reasons water and air are not much preferred, rail needs further options




lol India's public infra issues can be solved by deploying bullet trains ...
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 10:59 pm:       


Inquisitive:





demonetisation g bagala success aindi...
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 10:44 pm:       


Lenin:

Taiwan GDP per capita 32000 USD which is 20lak per annum in India

India lo 1% (1.2 crores) population aina ata sampadistara ?





Lenin:

partially successful and only with developed nations in Europe

where it is a massive failure in Taiwan, which is a developing nation like India




Both sides nuvve batting cheste bagundadu kada...edo okadaaniki stick avvu. Is Taiwan a developing nation like India or is it so rich that even the top 1% in India don't earn like the average Taiwanese does?
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 10:07 pm:       


Lenin:

Taiwan GDP per capita 32000 USD which is 20lak per annum in India

India lo 1% (1.2 crores) population aina ata sampadistara ?

Oka vela sampadiste vallanta Mumbai - Ahmedabad corridor lo untara? mind you, Taiwan population 2.5 crores





How is per capita income related to success of BT ..dabbulunnai ani andharu roju BT ekkuthara..it depends on requirement..we are talking about 10yrs time Mumbai-Ahmedabad-Delhi will generate crazy traffic..we will curse present govts after 10 yrs for not acting now.

Look at mumbai coastal corridor project very amibitious and much needed, we are not wasting money like chinese building ghost towns just for the sake of GDP figures.

after 10 this BT budget looks small.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 09:50 pm:       


Lenin:


vunkle, there's a growth boom in India. If India truly wants to develop as a big stage player, lots of transportation is needed. You can't wait for development to happen at a later point, you need to be prepared now

Roads are an adequate, but insufficient method of transportation. A more reliable option is rail, water and Air. 4 Obvious reasons water and air are not much preferred, rail needs further options
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 09:39 pm:       


Andhravodu:




Population does n;t really matter

what percentage of population really need to travel on Ahembeda - Mumbai line on day to day basis? 10% ? 20% ? 30% ?


even if handful of population want to travel, how much % of it can afford the bullet train fare?

it's easy to divert the topic by showing Indian population..but affordability is the main issue
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 09:29 pm:       


Lenin:

Taiwan GDP per capita 32000 USD


Cost of Living choodu. I'm sure it's much higher than metro's in India


Lenin:

mind you, Taiwan population 2.5 crores


vole country population = Greater Mumbai region? I wonder why a really fast bullet train might not work over there
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 09:23 pm:       


Andhravodu:




Why are U kindaling my Lenin re

Aayana oak vinta lokam

World lo edina topic teesuko final vachi either bob or modi meeda crying tho stop avuthadi

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 09:21 pm:       


Andhravodu:

kummu lenin kummu




Taiwan GDP per capita 32000 USD which is 20lak per annum in India

India lo 1% (1.2 crores) population aina ata sampadistara ?

Oka vela sampadiste vallanta Mumbai - Ahmedabad corridor lo untara? mind you, Taiwan population 2.5 crores

nuvn population ni compare chesetapudu, valla spending capacity ni compare cheyali...Taiwan vallu spend chesenta India lo enta percentage chestaru
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 09:19 pm:       


Lenin:

correct ey...ide pani Congress chesunte matram appudu dummethi poyali





 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 09:19 pm:       


Andhravodu:

taiwan population and size is is same as India



sachipotava , avineethi ga batukutava okkate option ante alochinchakunda chachipotaa ane type cbn - OT
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 09:15 pm:       


Andhravodu:

taiwan population and size is is same as India. akkada bullet train work kakapote India lo kooda pani cheyadu. ee beedi ki eppudu ardham avuddo emo



Lenin:

I'm not saying that India's bullet train will face ridership crisis, project will be a failure because of cost overrun

project time frame is almost a decade, there will be issues with land acquisition and regulation changes, political chaos around the project and then wrong estimates



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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 09:14 pm:       

kummu lenin kummu

taiwan population and size is is same as India. akkada bullet train work kakapote India lo kooda pani cheyadu. ee beedi ki eppudu ardham avuddo emo
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 09:09 pm:       

ayina evado nakipothe manam kuda nakipotham anukovadam eppudu aa negetivity lo undatam enduku

basically enti ante manaki emi cheyadam chethakadu pakkodu chesthunte edusthu undali
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 09:05 pm:       


Lenin:

MMS techina nen ide thread vesevadini...


evaru techaru anedhi point kadhu le annai... asalu manaki ippudu avasaram e BT lu ani...
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 09:04 pm:       


Yodha:




MMS techina nen ide thread vesevadini...
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 09:02 pm:       


Lenin:

.ide pani Congress chesunte matram appudu dummethi poyali


http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/bullet-train-technology-s et-to-come-to-india-japan-to-invest/1/273846.html

"India is set to benefit from the famed Japanese bullet train technology, with Tokyo pledging to invest heavily in building high speed railway systems in the country.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and his Japanese counterpart Shinzo Abe issued a joint statement on Wednesday in which they laid down the course of co-operation between the two countries on setting up high speed railway systems in India."
thesesa
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 09:00 pm:       


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correct ey...ide pani Congress chesunte matram appudu dummethi poyali
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 08:56 pm:       


Lenin:





Road accidents lo velamandi pothunnarani Aussie Transport minister annadani office ki car vidilesi walking seyyam gaa.


Inefficiencies untaayi kaani inquilab zindabad anaali antay yettaaa
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 08:43 pm:       


Awesomedber:

y L&T Metro at HYd is BOT basis. Same issue face chestaaremo konni years lo.




It's already a failure like Mumbai metro...
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 08:41 pm:       

Antey L&T Metro at HYd is BOT basis. Same issue face chestaaremo konni years lo..They pumped way lot money into it.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 08:41 pm:       


Sannayi_nokkulu:

edo nee communist bhavala tho postings




indulo communist bhavalu, capitalist bhavalu emunnai na bonda...project viable aa kada ani matladata unte
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Aggipidugu116:

note ban valla telisina Nagma satyam




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Lenin:


edo nee communist bhavala tho postings...kani memu kuda by blood communists ee.....picha lite prapanchanni batti manam kuda pothundale....adhi anthe
sachipotava , avineethi ga batukutava okkate option ante alochinchakunda chachipotaa ane type cbn - OT
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 08:34 pm:       


Lenin:




Andukani.. emi try kooda cheyyakunda ..chetulu kattukuni koorchovala ? jai chiniki anukuntu..

Bhagawatgeeta lo try cheyyamani cheppedu ga..failure ki bhayapade vaadu kaadu modi.. note ban valla telisina Nagma satyam
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 08:29 pm:       


Twotown:

Mana kada mass rapid transport edhi fail avvaledhu .




I'm not saying that India's bullet train will face ridership crisis, project will be a failure because of cost overrun

project time frame is almost a decade, there will be issues with land acquisition and regulation changes, political chaos around the project and then wrong estimates


http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapr adesh/unhappy-over-dimly-lit-name-boards-at-railway-stations /article19713273.ece

idi Railway stations lo names boards paristhithi in AP...ilanti vati meeda concentrate cheyakunda bullet train, Modi bonda train
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 08:27 pm:       


Lenin:

aina CHina vadu bullet trains indigeneous technology tho manufacture cheskuntunnadu.




china ki japan ki polika?

japan never had any accidents so far and they were never late

china lo already 4 accidents ayyayi already in 2years

what a comdey...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 08:23 pm:       


Moviebuff001:

how will it be different in India lanti constructive answer ichi educate cheyyachu kada




r u kidding me, constuctive criticism and acceptable debate chesthe cheppina bavunta di

this is just pure cry either on modi or babu, that's it..
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 08:20 pm:       


Ringo_rangaswamy:




idigo BJP ex railway minister ichina statement Indian Railways vs Chinese

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Cant-compare-Indian -Railways-to-Chinese-Suresh-Prabhu/articleshow/51397917.cms

lol...avasrama mana ki


India lo railways valla casualities every year 15000 on an average, where as China it is 1000...

matladite ardam undali...aina CHina vadu bullet trains indigeneous technology tho manufacture cheskuntunnadu..manam aruvu techukuntunnam appu tho

it's not even R & D project
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 08:12 pm:       


Lenin:





China tho aithe oka naa bayyaaa


 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 08:10 pm:       


Emc2:

negativity



Negativity kadule kani, how will it be different in India lanti constructive answer ichi educate cheyyachu kada
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 08:06 pm:       

poni china chesthe ok na?



so what ,US economy in 2008 f'ed, govt bailed it, they will do restructuring,or do something else, it will goes on..

dhimak mottam negativity,edo oka sollu foo link pattukuvachi compare chesi aanadapadali, asalu intha negetivity tho ela bathukutharu ra babu

 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 07:57 pm:       

Mana kada mass rapid transport edhi fail avvaledhu .. work avuthadhi anukuntunna ..
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 07:51 pm:       


Lenin:

but by 2015 the ridership was 2015




ridership was 140000*
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 07:48 pm:       


Lenin:

HSC from bankruptcy back in 2000




2010*
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 07:47 pm:       

BT waste le annai... jp kuda pedda rod ani cheppadu... asalu unna system ni improve cheyakunda... kothavi avasarama
thesesa
 

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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 07:47 pm:       

I have been keep telling the same about overambitious infra projects from the beginning

the companies project astronomical consumption numbers to substantiate the revenue needs to serve debt incurred by govt & private parties.

when things become reality, their estimates go wrong and there is no way to escape
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 07:45 pm:       

The Shinkansen technology, which Japan is trying to export is partially successful and only with developed nations in Europe

where it is a massive failure in Taiwan, which is a developing nation like India


govt had to save THSC from bankruptcy back in 2000

The initial estimate of ridership was 240000 in 2008, but by 2015 the ridership was 2015
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 07:42 pm:       

www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/ijbm/article/viewFile/6370 /6325
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