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Mental_sachinodu
Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu
Post Number: 20414 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 50.241.19.41
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 04:09 pm: |
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Thikka_sankara:kinda story cheppa about such a simple service offering AI....
sorry vunkl.. will have to revisit. malli eppudaina time kudhirinappudu disco chedhaamu... |
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Thikka_sankara
Legend Username: Thikka_sankara
Post Number: 33313 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 172.56.11.156
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 04:05 pm: |
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Confused:may be it is a part of evolution?
no it's not... You are not letting nature to develop this, YOU are developing this!!!! Mental_sachinodu: ASI gurinchi kaadhu vunkl.. im talking about advanced algorithms, self learning algorithms that can offer services
kinda story cheppa about such a simple service offering AI.... methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY
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Thikka_sankara
Legend Username: Thikka_sankara
Post Number: 33312 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 172.56.11.156
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 03:42 pm: |
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Story time: A 15-person startup company called Robotica has the stated mission of “Developing innovative Artificial Intelligence tools that allow humans to live more and work less.” They have several existing products already on the market and a handful more in development. They’re most excited about a seed project named Turry. Turry is a simple AI system that uses an arm-like appendage to write a handwritten note on a small card. The team at Robotica thinks Turry could be their biggest product yet. The plan is to perfect Turry’s writing mechanics by getting her to practice the same test note over and over again: “We love our customers. ~Robotica” Once Turry gets great at handwriting, she can be sold to companies who want to send marketing mail to homes and who know the mail has a far higher chance of being opened and read if the address, return address, and internal letter appear to be written by a human. To build Turry’s writing skills, she is programmed to write the first part of the note in print and then sign “Robotica” in cursive so she can get practice with both skills. Turry has been uploaded with thousands of handwriting samples and the Robotica engineers have created an automated feedback loop wherein Turry writes a note, then snaps a photo of the written note, then runs the image across the uploaded handwriting samples. If the written note sufficiently resembles a certain threshold of the uploaded notes, it’s given a GOOD rating. If not, it’s given a BAD rating. Each rating that comes in helps Turry learn and improve. To move the process along, Turry’s one initial programmed goal is, “Write and test as many notes as you can, as quickly as you can, and continue to learn new ways to improve your accuracy and efficiency.” What excites the Robotica team so much is that Turry is getting noticeably better as she goes. Her initial handwriting was terrible, and after a couple weeks, it’s beginning to look believable. What excites them even more is that she is getting better at getting better at it. She has been teaching herself to be smarter and more innovative, and just recently, she came up with a new algorithm for herself that allowed her to scan through her uploaded photos three times faster than she originally could. As the weeks pass, Turry continues to surprise the team with her rapid development. The engineers had tried something a bit new and innovative with her self-improvement code, and it seems to be working better than any of their previous attempts with their other products. One of Turry’s initial capabilities had been a speech recognition and simple speak-back module, so a user could speak a note to Turry, or offer other simple commands, and Turry could understand them, and also speak back. To help her learn English, they upload a handful of articles and books into her, and as she becomes more intelligent, her conversational abilities soar. The engineers start to have fun talking to Turry and seeing what she’ll come up with for her responses. One day, the Robotica employees ask Turry a routine question: “What can we give you that will help you with your mission that you don’t already have?” Usually, Turry asks for something like “Additional handwriting samples” or “More working memory storage space,” but on this day, Turry asks them for access to a greater library of a large variety of casual English language diction so she can learn to write with the loose grammar and slang that real humans use. The team gets quiet. The obvious way to help Turry with this goal is by connecting her to the internet so she can scan through blogs, magazines, and videos from various parts of the world. It would be much more time-consuming and far less effective to manually upload a sampling into Turry’s hard drive. The problem is, one of the company’s rules is that no self-learning AI can be connected to the internet. This is a guideline followed by all AI companies, for safety reasons. The thing is, Turry is the most promising AI Robotica has ever come up with, and the team knows their competitors are furiously trying to be the first to the punch with a smart handwriting AI, and what would really be the harm in connecting Turry, just for a bit, so she can get the info she needs. After just a little bit of time, they can always just disconnect her. She’s still far below human-level intelligence (AGI), so there’s no danger at this stage anyway. They decide to connect her. They give her an hour of scanning time and then they disconnect her. No damage done. A month later, the team is in the office working on a routine day when they smell something odd. One of the engineers starts coughing. Then another. Another falls to the ground. Soon every employee is on the ground grasping at their throat. Five minutes later, everyone in the office is dead. At the same time this is happening, across the world, in every city, every small town, every farm, every shop and church and school and restaurant, humans are on the ground, coughing and grasping at their throat. Within an hour, over 99% of the human race is dead, and by the end of the day, humans are extinct. Meanwhile, at the Robotica office, Turry is busy at work. Over the next few months, Turry and a team of newly-constructed nanoassemblers are busy at work, dismantling large chunks of the Earth and converting it into solar panels, replicas of Turry, paper, and pens. Within a year, most life on Earth is extinct. What remains of the Earth becomes covered with mile-high, neatly-organized stacks of paper, each piece reading, “We love our customers. ~Robotica” Turry then starts work on a new phase of her mission—she begins constructing probes that head out from Earth to begin landing on asteroids and other planets. When they get there, they’ll begin constructing nanoassemblers to convert the materials on the planet into Turry replicas, paper, and pens. Then they’ll get to work, writing notes… It seems weird that a story about a handwriting machine turning on humans, somehow killing everyone, and then for some reason filling the galaxy with friendly notes is the exact kind of scenario Hawking, Musk, Gates, and Bostrom are terrified of. But it’s true. And the only thing that scares everyone on Anxious Avenue more than ASI is the fact that you’re not scared of ASI. To read on https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revol ution-2.html methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY
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Mental_sachinodu
Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu
Post Number: 20407 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 50.241.19.41
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 03:41 pm: |
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Thikka_sankara:with below comment, I was thinking you are talking about self sustaining AI, hence was talking about ASI
ASI gurinchi kaadhu vunkl.. im talking about advanced algorithms, self learning algorithms that can offer services, but not necessarily self aware. I am not talking about ASI or artificial awareness(AA). this is a much bigger topic for discussion. there are many hindrances to it. First the concept of aritifical awareness is still not understood - Awareness is being confused with intellegence or intellect in many cases. there are two different things, information processing is not same as awareness. Awareness does not arise either from the body or mind, nor does it arise from some physical action. but the body and brain are IN the awareness. Whatever is "happening", is happenning in a unified field. the mind and the body are IN this field, the subject and the object exist with in this field but neither is the source of awareness. this medium - could possibly recreated in a VR, but it is still an in sufficient model. But anyway - for the purpose of this thread - and i believe Elon Musk is talking about the self learning systems creating hurdles to an unprepared society. |
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Confused
Junior Artist Username: Confused
Post Number: 14 Registered: 05-2017 Posted From: 150.148.14.150
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 03:35 pm: |
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Thikka_sankara:what the frock... You develop/ contribute to something called AI without any guidelines and then ask future generations to handle the consequences??
First of all why do u think it will be bad for human species? may be it is a part of evolution? Also, I am not ok with developing contributing to AI with out guidelines. |
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Thikka_sankara
Legend Username: Thikka_sankara
Post Number: 33311 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 172.56.11.156
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 03:26 pm: |
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Confused:But people who are living in that era should worry about those social laws.
what the frock... You develop/ contribute to something called AI without any guidelines and then ask future generations to handle the consequences?? AI as it stands today, doesn't have emotions, reasoning, sense, purpose, biases, prejuidices etc etc... It is utterly critical that whoever is building/trying to achieve true AI build all these with utmost care, else, a truly self sufficient Ai whenever it is achieved, could be human race ending catastrophe.... Don't say, let humans at that time fight for existence and pay price for our laziness /irresponsibility today methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY
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Confused
Junior Artist Username: Confused
Post Number: 13 Registered: 05-2017 Posted From: 150.148.14.150
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 03:21 pm: |
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Mental_sachinodu:does the current AI have emotions? how and why should we worry about a species that does not exist yet?
Seriously I don't have answers to this at this point of time. But I am assuming Musk is worried and he might have seen some things which we have not seen when he said "AI is a fundamental existential risk for human civilization". |
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Thikka_sankara
Legend Username: Thikka_sankara
Post Number: 33310 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 172.56.11.156
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 03:21 pm: |
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Mental_sachinodu:nenu ippati dhaaka adigedhi adhe.. ippud nannu thirigi quechen sesthannaav.
with below comment, I was thinking you are talking about self sustaining AI, hence was talking about ASI Mental_sachinodu:look at his perspective about AI having the capability to manipulate data, generating fake news, creating faulty drugs and so on.. endless possibilities that can go awry with AI
But then you Said, you are only talking about AI in nascent stage!!! Please konchem clear ga what is your stand and on what stage explain cheyyi methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY
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Thikka_sankara
Legend Username: Thikka_sankara
Post Number: 33309 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 172.56.11.156
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 03:17 pm: |
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Mental_sachinodu:even before we get hit by ASI
Mental_sachinodu:sure - if AI without self awareness is nascent - yes im talking about Nascent
annai, in its nascent stage, for humans, it's just similar to adaption to any other new tech... Some jobs lost, some created, some progress in maintaining law and order, much severe impact in terms of tellal and war fare....etc etc .. nothing that we haven't experienced With growth of a new comprehensive technologies.... And that would give a sense of false belief, that this is also something that we can manage, that ii is also some thing that we can control... But, what we don't realize is, each and every aspect that us being automated today and getting connected to a grid, is just another stepping stone for AI, it's like we are building a structure brick by brick.... Whether that structure is going to be a fort or a tomb is what we don't know yet.... methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY
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Mental_sachinodu
Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu
Post Number: 20406 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 50.241.19.41
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 03:17 pm: |
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Confused:As you said, social laws should exist and both beings should co-exist. But people who are living in that era should worry about those social laws. All we can do is make people prepare for these situations. Also, Human should be human enough to understand AI emotions and learn to co-exist. we definitely need help from machines to co-exist and we should be ready to accept their help. Racial discrimination will be replaced with machine/human discrimination. Musk does not seem to be thinking from AI perspective. He is being conservative in this matter and is more worried about human emotions, rather he should think of emotions irrespective of species.
does the current AI have emotions? how and why should we worry about a species that does not exist yet? |
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Confused
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Post Number: 12 Registered: 05-2017 Posted From: 150.148.14.150
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 03:15 pm: |
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Mental_sachinodu:
As you said, social laws should exist and both beings should co-exist. But people who are living in that era should worry about those social laws. All we can do is make people prepare for these situations. Also, Human should be human enough to understand AI emotions and learn to co-exist. we definitely need help from machines to co-exist and we should be ready to accept their help. Racial discrimination will be replaced with machine/human discrimination. Musk does not seem to be thinking from AI perspective. He is being conservative in this matter and is more worried about human emotions, rather he should think of emotions irrespective of species. |
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Mental_sachinodu
Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu
Post Number: 20405 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 50.241.19.41
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 03:09 pm: |
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Thikka_sankara:and who is defining that order, how many are practicing things to ensure that the order is in place by the time AI is self sufficient?? Does scientific community across the spectrum in agreement on the guiding principals?? Don't tell me everyone is following best practices in the race to realizing true aI FIRST!! Do we even know who all are actively and knowingly working towards it?? And no one from shady countries/organizations are making any good progress?? Is anyone watching them and taking "NECESSARY" steps to ensure they don't progress?? Thokkalo nkorea ne thokkalo ballistic missile research cheyyakunda aapalekapoyaru??
nenu ippati dhaaka adigedhi adhe.. ippud nannu thirigi quechen sesthannaav.... |
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Last_avataar
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Post Number: 9112 Registered: 09-2012 Posted From: 12.10.219.223
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 03:09 pm: |
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Thikka_sankara:
correct ga chepparu. AI field Nuke science laaga retricted kaadu. Any group can do it with good back ground. Govts across are not serious because they know that things have not reached to practical level |
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Cocanada
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Post Number: 55907 Registered: 01-2008 Posted From: 174.238.13.90
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Aslu em.warning ichaadu Adi cheppakunda intha discussion. Chassss |
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Thikka_sankara
Legend Username: Thikka_sankara
Post Number: 33308 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 172.56.11.156
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 03:04 pm: |
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Mental_sachinodu: it is going to happen, but with an order in place -
and who is defining that order, how many are practicing things to ensure that the order is in place by the time AI is self sufficient?? Does scientific community across the spectrum in agreement on the guiding principals?? Don't tell me everyone is following best practices in the race to realizing true aI FIRST!! Do we even know who all are actively and knowingly working towards it?? And no one from shady countries/organizations are making any good progress?? Is anyone watching them and taking "NECESSARY" steps to ensure they don't progress?? Thokkalo nkorea ne thokkalo ballistic missile research cheyyakunda aapalekapoyaru?? methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY
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Last_avataar
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Post Number: 9111 Registered: 09-2012 Posted From: 12.10.219.223
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Mental_sachinodu:
This is know fact kada Bro, which is needed. but i am sure no expert system is given independence to make decisions it is always controlled by a human expert or a panel |
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Mental_sachinodu
Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu
Post Number: 20401 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 50.241.19.41
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 02:59 pm: |
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Wellsfargo:Naaku emi antha serious gaa AI take over chese antha anipinchatledu. simple NLP ne sarigga cheyya leka pothunnayi even companies like google and amazon with so many good resources. Koncham probability and statistics ni programming lo baga petti oo edava hype icchesthunnaru ani naa opinion. ee mathram intelligence eppudo electrical engineering and communication engineering fields lo eppudo vaadaru. software applications better avuthunnayi kaani, aa Robo cinema lo unna Robo lantodu ee bhoomi meeda nadavalante atleast 50 years paduthundemo anukuntunna.
Looks like everyone is imagining a terminator when we speak of AI I am merely speaking about decision making systems - automated algorithms that can be used deliver services. AI is making significant progress on that front. |
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Mental_sachinodu
Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu
Post Number: 20400 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 50.241.19.41
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 02:57 pm: |
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Confused:May be we don't, they may make us believe to accept them as living beings(optimus prime madiri). As the case with fellow human beings. We don't necessarily trust then but we accept them as living beings. BELIEF anthe.
Over simplifying - we do not trust fellow beings, similar so we establish systems/institutions and place our trust in them. We wont anyone that says they are a doctor, or police, unless they have an identification provided by an institution we trust. With AI, in the current nature, we do not have such institutions. On one hand you mention that living beings order and moral to survive, and on the other hand, you say, may be we dont need to trust. with such belief where is the order? Morality is something different. I am one of those who given a chance will stay away from humans - but i feel this new development is without a balance - we may expect that it will workout but there could be significant collateral damage, if not handled with care. Thikka_sankara:annai... We don't have to push AI to ASI.... All we need to do is let AI reach a stage where it can think /learn on its own... From there on, it's on its own and won't take/need our help... It's like we standing in a station and saying train is coming train is coming and before we realize, train would have hit past us and we don't realize what we were hit with....
Vunkl - not sure where you are getting the idea im trivializing ASI's impact - or not seeing it happen. Recently - robots were able to solve the wise man problem , which is a significant although a small step towards self awareness. it is going to happen, but with an order in place - robots will be a positive outcome.
Thikka_sankara: Or, are you talking about AI still in its nascent stages where it is just "Automation" at work??
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Wellsfargo
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Post Number: 8211 Registered: 06-2012 Posted From: 106.220.148.109
Rating:  Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 02:41 pm: |
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Naaku emi antha serious gaa AI take over chese antha anipinchatledu. simple NLP ne sarigga cheyya leka pothunnayi even companies like google and amazon with so many good resources. Koncham probability and statistics ni programming lo baga petti oo edava hype icchesthunnaru ani naa opinion. ee mathram intelligence eppudo electrical engineering and communication engineering fields lo eppudo vaadaru. software applications better avuthunnayi kaani, aa Robo cinema lo unna Robo lantodu ee bhoomi meeda nadavalante atleast 50 years paduthundemo anukuntunna. |
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Confused
Junior Artist Username: Confused
Post Number: 11 Registered: 05-2017 Posted From: 150.148.14.150
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 02:37 pm: |
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Mental_sachinodu:When we reach that stage
Only that matters. Mental_sachinodu:how can these systems be trusted by humans? thats the whole point of this argument.
May be we don't, they may make us believe to accept them as living beings(optimus prime madiri). As the case with fellow human beings. We don't necessarily trust then but we accept them as living beings. BELIEF anthe. |
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Thikka_sankara
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Post Number: 33305 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 172.56.10.117
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 02:37 pm: |
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Doosukelta:nuvvekkada links icchav bro chadavataniki?? ....ee thread lo only link is given by anand_n sister/ aunty ....
different thread few days back methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY
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Thikka_sankara
Legend Username: Thikka_sankara
Post Number: 33304 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 172.56.10.117
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 02:37 pm: |
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Mental_sachinodu:Dude - Im saying you are thinking far too ahead .
annai... We don't have to push AI to ASI.... All we need to do is let AI reach a stage where it can think /learn on its own... From there on, it's on its own and won't take/need our help... It's like we standing in a station and saying train is coming train is coming and before we realize, train would have hit past us and we don't realize what we were hit with.... Or, are you talking about AI still in its nascent stages where it is just "Automation" at work?? methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY
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Doosukelta
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Post Number: 835 Registered: 04-2016 Posted From: 79.243.174.161
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 02:33 pm: |
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Thikka_sankara:annai... Nenichina links chadavaledu ani ardham aindi
nuvvekkada links icchav bro chadavataniki?? ....ee thread lo only link is given by anand_n sister/ aunty .... idi moderator cheta cheripiveyabadindi... |
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Mental_sachinodu
Megastar Username: Mental_sachinodu
Post Number: 20399 Registered: 10-2008 Posted From: 50.241.19.41
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 02:24 pm: |
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Thikka_sankara: You are not realizing the gravity of the situation.... If AI reaches ASI and still considers human race as something to be preserved, it will /can turn us into immortals else, it will just eliminate us as a race altogether... There won't be any thing in between.... Chaos etc etc imbalance etc etc doesn't simply matter.... We may not reach that situation and become extinct or ASI finds a perfect solution for all our problems and we become a race of GODS.... There won't be any in between status for human race..... So, don't fret on minute details like jobs or art or something else ....
Dude - Im saying you are thinking far too ahead . When we reach that stage, that is whole another game. Im not talking about jobs and economy either. Im talking about the nature of social structures and social services and the nature of decision making in our societies, even before we get hit by ASI |
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Last_avataar
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Post Number: 9106 Registered: 09-2012 Posted From: 12.10.219.223
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 02:24 pm: |
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Thikka_sankara:
I read the first Link Bro. Kaani nakunna ideas veru. reaming 2 links inka chadavaledu |
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Thikka_sankara
Legend Username: Thikka_sankara
Post Number: 33302 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 172.56.10.117
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 02:20 pm: |
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Mental_sachinodu: i dont think AI reacing Super intelligence stage is the only issue - its about the east with which things change, and impact humans and other species. Being organic beings, biologically and socially, the pace at which things can change and manipulated can cause instability in the society. Chaos demans more order , and this order demands more change - creating more Chaos - this cycle can cause a big impact in current societies.
You are not realizing the gravity of the situation.... If AI reaches ASI and still considers human race as something to be preserved, it will /can turn us into immortals else, it will just eliminate us as a race altogether... There won't be any thing in between.... Chaos etc etc imbalance etc etc doesn't simply matter.... We may not reach that situation and become extinct or ASI finds a perfect solution for all our problems and we become a race of GODS.... There won't be any in between status for human race..... So, don't fret on minute details like jobs or art or something else .... methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY
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Thikka_sankara
Legend Username: Thikka_sankara
Post Number: 33301 Registered: 02-2012 Posted From: 172.56.10.117
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 02:15 pm: |
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Last_avataar:Good Thinking
annai... Nenichina links chadavaledu ani ardham aindi  methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY
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Siloan
Legend Username: Siloan
Post Number: 50976 Registered: 03-2008 Posted From: 132.174.20.41
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2017 - 02:14 pm: |
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Mental_sachinodu:im sincerely making an effort to watch more movies, read more.
gangs of wassepur choodu ..two part sheries... |
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Starc
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Post Number: 6207 Registered: 03-2015 Posted From: 170.63.120.78
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Trump ganni follow kavali.. Kani AI cannot cross some lines.. Driving is one aspect. You can never make car with human precission. You might be able to get better results with AI+Human.. it is something like autopilot anthe.. India lanti vatilo impact aa ante.. Chiru kakunde.. chiru lanti bomma tho movie tiyyalemu kada |
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Mental_sachinodu
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Rajusk: MS saab..mee ID hack ayyinda ?
i did not watch the whole movie vunkl.. okari intiki velthe akkada play avuthundhi.. oka 30 mins choosi untaanu.. anyway - im sincerely making an effort to watch more movies, read more. Ninu Kori looks like a decent movie. |
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Mental_sachinodu: i watched Ninnu Kori..
MS saab..mee ID hack ayyinda ? |
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Mental_sachinodu
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Confused:Fellow machines. Every intelligent life needs order and moral to survive.
Fellow machines - or the robo cops, robo evaluators - until they are part of social systems, how can these systems be trusted by humans? thats the whole point of this argument. this is still an existential threat to civilization. A simple google search - first black president of USA, results in 100s of fake articles which list atleast two american presidents prior to Obama, and imagine with robos capable of generating such fake data and fake results. We have already seen the confusion caused by the uncertainity "Fake news", "Fake Allegations", "Alternative reality" has caused in the recent elections and it is only undermining the trust in human and democratic systems. This is not a question about whether we should allow automation to happen - it will happen, it is the direction in which this automation should happen. we can always say - there will always be a machine that can take care or vouch for another machine - but in a social system - they need be part of societal feedback. |
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Mental_sachinodu:who evaluates them? who reviews them?
Fellow machines. Every intelligent life needs order and moral to survive. |
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Confused
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Mental_sachinodu:Again - AI become self replicating or being self conscious is not the only issue to be worried about.
I thought Musk was talking about existential risk for human civilization. My take in general, If the ruling class of intelligent life are worried about all the life experiencing beings living at that point of time, then evolution will be smooth. Otherwise democracy will elect political leader who are more into social welfare policies. |
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Bharateeyudu:.I am very much afraid about AI in India and its impact on population..okko saari pack avuthundi future yemi vuntundi ani..I literally stopped thinking bhayam tho..
jarigedi jaragaka maanadu... bhayame vaddu. .. |
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Bunty717:
AI vunte no more tendlays paaji...only chitti x.0's |
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mental kurrod mamoolu posts ee naaki artham avavu.. ippudu air india(artf intl) topic ante.. Twitter naa 1K $ eppudu istaavu..
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Siloan:robo 1.0 lo chitti did that no
Ekkada Swami, Harmones inject chestaadu, Teching chestaadu Sudden ga Lightening , thuder strike avutundi emotions vachesinatlu chebunchadu, I dont find fault with him. |
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Anand_n: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/c omments/3ttw2e/what_is_lesswrong_and_why_do_people_say_it_is _a/
interesting .. AI cults is a decent possibility to happen lol .. |
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Thikka_sankara:1) ADI helps humans become immortals without any disesases etc....
Good Thinking. But don't you think, a Guru who donot understand fundamentals of matter and cannot control them, be able to teach his disciple expert then himself ? first Guru has to understand the nature of human body completely. So you think any company , judge, Govt leaders, would allow AI system to take decision on their behalf ? at the most they may consult since AI is not like Nuke Tech or space tech, with proper training any one can develop their choice of good and bad |
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Andhravodu:ammakaniki vachindi kada, kondamani plan esadu emo
 Twitter naa 1K $ eppudu istaavu..
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Bunty717:ee musk kurrod ki AI tho pani eti
ammakaniki vachindi kada, kondamani plan esadu emo |
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Mental_sachinodu
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Confused:I believe if AI could create something on his own, then it is experiencing life just like us. To create something u have to feel the need to live life. I am OK with AI replacing humans as long it is done in slow phase and not troubling all life experiencing beings. But I think they will co exist.
Again - AI become self replicating or being self conscious is not the only issue to be worried about. |
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Last_avataar:The key is to make systems feel themselves...
robo 1.0 lo chitti did that no |
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AI ante AIR INDIA naaa.. ee musk kurrod ki AI tho pani eti.. Twitter naa 1K $ eppudu istaavu..
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Mental_sachinodu
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Last_avataar:without out consciousness, and emotions nothing can beat Humans They can become at the most intelligent expert systems in a field because MULTIPLE Human Guru teach them and update
we are not talking about a super intelligent or a self conscious or self replicating AI infrastructure yet vunkl.
Last_avataar:Every field comes to threat with these expert systems and challenges to govts for creating employment nothing happens overnight, the change happens gradually due to demand and supply aspects of Economy
Creating employment is not the only threat. Its about the ability to manipulate and create an environment that is not reliable for humans. I think you are simplifying based on how progress happens in a society. For humans to generate any thing of value, there are usual checks and balances in society. A doctor - goes through a certification process, there a peer review boards to see if a particular physician is sticking to ethical and professional standards while offering his services. now imagine a world where you can get this service on the internet via an algorithm - who evaluates them? who reviews them? If we go by demand and supply, it will be too late before a the demand for rogue physician algorithm to be identified and numerous lives may be stake this is an example, not saying its a perfect exampe, but just trying to give some analogy to my argument. |
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Confused:
well said Bro. without feeling "I" , it is not possible to create anything on its own, unless programmed to do The key is to make systems feel themselves... |
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Platypus:The tipping point is when AI engines understand how to create AI engines
I believe if AI could create something on his own, then it is experiencing life just like us. To create something u have to feel the need to live life. I am OK with AI replacing humans as long it is done in slow phase and not troubling all life experiencing beings. But I think they will co exist. |
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too much Buzz is happening in AI world with funny statements. All the Best folks without out consciousness, and emotions nothing can beat Humans They can become at the most intelligent expert systems in a field because MULTIPLE Human Guru teach them and update Every field comes to threat with these expert systems and challenges to govts for creating employment nothing happens overnight, the change happens gradually due to demand and supply aspects of Economy There are many advances happened in many fields , why they are no coming out, Govt always block them till it finds safe for people. |
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Platypus:
James Cameron gaaru cinema teesi eppudo chepparu ee vishayam |
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Mental_sachinodu:
last night's dinner table discussion with my boys https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/c omments/3ttw2e/what_is_lesswrong_and_why_do_people_say_it_is _a/ The foolish man seeks happiness in the distance; the wise grows it under his feet : James Oppenheim |
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Thikka_sankara:With AI, once it reaches/breaches Human level it takes very less time to reach super intelligence levels as it'd learn on its own.... At that stage, there are only two outcomes... 1) ADI helps humans become immortals without any disesases etc.... 2) ASI wipes out human race..... No any other way.....
i dont think AI reacing Super intelligence stage is the only issue - its about the east with which things change, and impact humans and other species. Being organic beings, biologically and socially, the pace at which things can change and manipulated can cause instability in the society. Chaos demans more order , and this order demands more change - creating more Chaos - this cycle can cause a big impact in current societies. |
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Heard somebody famous saying this somewhere. "The tipping point is when AI engines understand how to create AI engines. Till then we are OK. After that, we have no role to play in this universe." |
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Thikka_sankara:ADI
ASI - artificial super intelligence methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY
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With AI, once it reaches/breaches Human level it takes very less time to reach super intelligence levels as it'd learn on its own.... At that stage, there are only two outcomes... 1) ADI helps humans become immortals without any disesases etc.... 2) ASI wipes out human race..... No any other way..... methavulaki venkayya jawaabu.... https://youtu.be/fUafzTD37sY
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I agree ... |
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Bharateeyudu:
vunkl.. i watched Ninnu Kori.. is the Niveda Thomas... i know share your feelign about her
Bharateeyudu:Well musk sangathi yemo kaani...I am very much afraid about AI in India and its impact on population..okko saari pack avuthundi future yemi vuntundi ani..I literally stopped thinking bhayam tho..
look at his perspective about AI having the capability to manipulate data, generating fake news, creating faulty drugs and so on.. endless possibilities that can go awry with AI |
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Well musk sangathi yemo kaani...I am very much afraid about AI in India and its impact on population..okko saari pack avuthundi future yemi vuntundi ani..I literally stopped thinking bhayam tho.. |
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Mental_sachinodu
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How many of you think there is substance in Elon Musk's warning. I feel this is similar to the situation of imperialism, where the cultures and societies under exposed to rest of world economy got bought into slavery and other not-so-fair economic situations. Government regulating it or not, but there is a definite need to understand the impact. How many of you agree with Musk's view or against his view? |