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Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2017 - 02:16 am:       

Excellent..I admire ambedkar more than Gandhi..if Ambedkar was made prime minister of India, India would have been a different country by now....Nehru dynasty was the worst thing to happen to India ...
 

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Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2017 - 02:15 am:       

Perfect cheppadu..... Gandhi vesi biggest wrong step is to try for absolute Hindu Muslim unity
No one is going to tell you the truth. They’re only going to tell you their version! ~Julian Assange
 

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Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2017 - 01:22 am:       


Siloan:

true visionary ...ravaalsina UNIVERSAL kyaathi raaledu
iofcourse rss didn't bat


RS seat ki rss support sesindi kada congress hated ambedkar
 

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Posted on Friday, April 14, 2017 - 07:40 pm:       


Lichtenberg:



ayina sare mana behenji monna Dalit muslim alliance try chesi pachhadi ayipoyindhi kadha...inka lessons emi learn cheyyaledhu...

BTW mana arun shourie ran into controversy with ambedkar...what was it about
 

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Posted on Friday, April 14, 2017 - 06:48 pm:       

Siloan, also read what Ambedkar wrote after Gandhi's death. Gandhi kurrod no debating, only bedirinchadam nenu strike chesthaa ani. Aa sycophantic congress culture ki Ambedkar laanti independent thinkers ni edaganivvaledu. Later also congress descendents didn't give his due.

http://imgur.com/wtdQp1a
 

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Posted on Friday, April 14, 2017 - 06:40 pm:       


Siloan:

true visionary ...ravaalsina UNIVERSAL kyaathi raaledu
iofcourse rss didn't bat



RSS ki antha scene ledu politically during the time. Even now it is not big into ideas(that is why congress can easily play them.)

Congress vaallu thokkaaru. Nehru Ambedkar ki opposite gaa secretary ni nilabetti Nehru himself campaigned against Ambedkar.

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00ambedkar/txt_ ambedkar_ranade.html

"The condemnation is by the Congress Press. I know the Congress Press well. I attach no value to its criticism. It has never refuted my arguments. It knows only [how] to criticise, rebuke and revile me for everything I do; and to misreport, misrepresent and pervert everything I say. Nothing that I do pleases the Congress Press. This animosity of the Congress Press towards me can to my mind, not unfairly, be explained as a reflex of the hatred of the Hindus for the Untouchables. That their animosity has become personal is clear from the fact that the Congress Press feels offended for my having criticised Mr. Jinnah, who has been the butt and the target of the Congress for the last several years."
 

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Posted on Friday, April 14, 2017 - 06:35 pm:       


Ipc302:

Anand rangarajan kurrodi article aa....i like this fellows writings




This article can be extended easily to show how Ambedkar was proven right. There was another Dalit leader during his time - Jogendranath Mandal. Mandal was for Dalit-Muslim unity. Mandal thought Dalits & Muslims were on the same side and led Dalit support for partition. Ambedkar knew it would not work as every Hindu, irrespective of caste, is a kaffir for Muslims. Dalits were massacred in Bengal during partition. Mandal went ahead and he was made law minister in Pakistan. After some time, Mandal realized the ground situation, resigned, came back to India proving Ambedkar's theory right.
 

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Posted on Friday, April 14, 2017 - 06:28 pm:       

"To the Muslims a Hindu is a Kaffir. A Kaffir is not worthy of respect. He is low-born and without status. That is why a country which is ruled by a Kaffir is Dar-ul-Harb to a Musalman. Given this, no further evidence seems to be necessary to prove that the Muslims will not obey a Hindu government. The basic feelings of deference and sympathy, which predispose persons to obey the authority of government, do not simply exist. But if proof is wanted, there is no dearth of it. It is so abundant that the problem is what to tender and what to omit…In the midst of the Khilafat agitation, when the Hindus were doing so much to help the Musalmans, the Muslims did not forget that as compared with them the Hindus were a low and an inferior race.”
 

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Posted on Friday, April 14, 2017 - 06:27 pm:       

true visionary ...ravaalsina UNIVERSAL kyaathi raaledu
iofcourse rss didn't bat
 

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Posted on Friday, April 14, 2017 - 06:23 pm:       

Anand rangarajan kurrodi article aa....i like this fellows writings
 

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Posted on Friday, April 14, 2017 - 06:20 pm:       

Gandhi goru path esaaru for today's politicians

"Mr. Gandhi has been very punctilious in the matter of condemning any and every act of violence and has forced the Congress, much against its will to condemn it. But Mr Gandhi has never protested against such murders [of Hindus]. Not only have the Musalmans not condemned these outrages, but even Mr Gandhi has never called upon the leading Muslims to condemn them. He has kept silent over them. Such an attitude can be explained only on the ground that Mr Gandhi was anxious to preserve Hindu-Moslem unity and did not mind the murders of a few Hindus, if it could be achieved by sacrificing their lives...This attitude to excuse the Muslims any wrong, lest it should injure the cause of unity, is well illustrated by what Mr Gandhi had to say in the matter of the Mopla riots. The blood-curdling atrocities committed by the Moplas in Malabar against the Hindus were indescribable. All over Southern India, a wave of horrified feeling had spread among the Hindus of every shade of opinion, which was intensified when certain Khilafat leaders were so misguided as to pass resolutions of "congratulations to the Moplas on the brave fight they were conducting for the sake of religion". Any person could have said that this was too heavy a price for Hindu-Moslem unity. But Mr Gandhi was so much obsessed by the necessity of establishing Hindu-Moslem unity that he was prepared to make light of the doings of the Moplas and the Khilafats who were congratulating them. He spoke of the Moplas as the "brave God-fearing Moplas who were fighting for what they consider as religion and in a manner which they consider as religious ".
 

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Posted on Friday, April 14, 2017 - 06:18 pm:       

"Hinduism is said to divide people and in contrast Islam is said to bind people together. This is only a half-truth. For Islam divides as inexorably as it binds. Islam is a close corporation and the distinction that it makes between Muslims and non-Muslims is a very real, very positive and very alienating distinction. The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal brotherhood of man. It is brotherhood of Muslims for Muslims only. There is a fraternity, but its benefit is confined to those within that corporation. For those who are outside the corporation, there is nothing but contempt and enmity. The second defect of Islam is that it is a system of social self-government and is incompatible with local self-government, because the allegiance of a Muslim does not rest on his domicile in the country which is his but on the faith to which he belongs. To the Muslim ibi bene ibi patria [Where it is well with me, there is my country] is unthinkable. Wherever there is the rule of Islam, there is his own country. In other words, Islam can never allow a true Muslim to adopt India as his motherland and regard a Hindu as his kith and kin."
 

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Posted on Friday, April 14, 2017 - 06:16 pm:       

"Conversion to Islam or Christianity will denationalise the Depressed Classes. If they go to Islam the number of Muslims will be doubled and the danger of Muslim domination also becomes real."
 

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Posted on Friday, April 14, 2017 - 06:15 pm:       

Some quotes from Ambedkar's speeches/books
 

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Posted on Friday, April 14, 2017 - 06:14 pm:       

https://www.newslaundry.com/2017/04/14/ambedkar-on-islam-the -story-that-must-not-be-told

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