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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 06:01 pm:       


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Me hadividi jallakunda. Ippudu court 8 kadha. Max vachina 4-4 kadha. TRO badulu actual appeal paina cheyyatamu ( which will take couple of months by which time 9th judge can sit in) ani think chestunnaru. Andulonu Kennedy gave hand in past on ACA and same sex marriage.

Oka ee ruling law of the land aipothe whole immigration system mess up avvudhi. Already judges black robes matter type lo tayaru ayyaru kadha. Final victory maadhe
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 05:52 pm:       


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ayana sommu emi poyindi. supreme lo mottikayal padithe peekkoleka , lakkoleka chavaali :D
 

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 05:50 pm:       


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no appeal


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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 05:40 pm:       

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/319029-trump-not- planning-to-appeal-travel-ban-ruling-to-supreme-court

no appeal
 

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 05:01 pm:       


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ninna harvard law course material completed... iyyala Princeton repu Yale




trump university ledha...U leaving out the best and real ones...I hurted
 

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 04:50 pm:       


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something with tangible evidence or something trump dreamt.. ???




since this involves foreign citizens and is applicable to national security, congress gave sweeping powers as law to bar any particular or class of aliens from entering the country. what evidence you want? A guy planning fo attack. then you can argue stop them but not everybody. you cants tsop them 100% of the time. it is to stop the unknowns where in you check your process.
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 04:35 pm:       


Rocketk2:

End of the day remember they studied the constitution and we read the constitution (unless one of you is attorney. The apologize). If another expert who studied constitution contradicts, we can discuss .. appati Dhaka judge garike vote !!


Akkada Cruz who is a constitutional lawyer already statement ichadu, there are many others who opine the same I guess.

Interpretation should be based on sound reasons and a precedent. Univ ki kashtam avutundi anedi how did they prove? showing that if those people do not come back and work some work will be stopped or something like that. Previous convictions evidence for terrorism related iste not valid ani kottesaru. So how can you see this judgement as unbiased? This would definitely be thrown out in supreme court
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 03:45 pm:       


Jai_ycp:

national-security purposes.


ninnantha idhe kadha address chesindhi.. what national-security purpose... something with tangible evidence or something trump dreamt.. ???
President has power.. no one degrees , he need to establish security purpose !!

Jai_ycp:

9th circuit court rulings are overturned 80% time.


it also deals with 250% more cases.. so what.. if you dig thru you will find median rejection is 68% ..across the circuits and numbers are not end story.
unless you think entire judicial system is screwed up .. that only means the cases that go up are very ambiguous And can have a different interpretation..
let the Supreme Court say!! I think it will be no different!! But we wil see
 

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 03:20 pm:       


Kukatpally:

ninna harvard law course material completed... iyyala Princeton repu Yale




Udacity and Coursera lo law anukunta...crash course

 

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 03:10 pm:       


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If another expert who studied constitution contradicts, we can discuss .. appati Dhaka judge garike vote !!



its the interpretation that matters sir. for example judge ruling lo they did not specify why the TRO should be revoked based on

The court's reasoning that the states would be "substantially injured" by the order, and that the government did not provide a clear, and urgent need for the order does not address the critical issue of whether the President has authority to issue such an order under the federal statute 8 U.S.C. sec. 1182 (f) and under his Article II powers in the Constitution. Section 1182(f) plainly and sweepingly authorizes the President to issue temporary bans on the entry of classes of aliens for national-security purposes.

dhani address cheyyaklunda entha sepu due process vundali, states ki hardship vundhi, memu review cheyakoodadhu ani emi ledhu ani chammakkulu visiraru.

Judge chebithe correct ante

9th circuit court rulings are overturned 80% time. haddop gave the PDF that lists the stats for this.
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 02:54 pm:       


Okahyderabadi:

9judgement does not merit and should not stand on legality in supreme court if looked at per constitution



Chala points list chesaru ycp and this particular line by you. But you are missing fundemental point that' they, judges, studied constitution and we read about constitution.

It was pretty evident trump has rushed thru with this. Still you insist the judges are at fault !!

Jai_ycp,.. few days back ,when I mentioned specific laws of land protect the people landed in the country , irrespective of legality you laughed. Now this is what the judge said. Unless you know piece of constitution that contradict s this.. opinions doesn't matter. This is law. Dheni valla kothaga cache problems yemi levu.. this should give a reason to think why America keeps refugees in neutral zone while vetting . Once they enter states, they are protected!!



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The procedural protections provided by the Fifth Amendment�s Due Process Clause are not limited to citizens. Rather, they �appl[y] to all �persons� within the United States, including aliens,� regardless of �whether their STATE OF WASHINGTON V. TRUMP 21 presence here is lawful, unlawful, temporary, or permanent.� Zadvydas v. Davis, 533 U.S. 678, 693 (2001). These rights also apply to certain aliens attempting to reenter the United States after travelling abroad.




End of the day remember they studied the constitution and we read the constitution (unless one of you is attorney. The apologize). If another expert who studied constitution contradicts, we can discuss .. appati Dhaka judge garike vote !!
 

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 02:52 pm:       


Jai_ycp:

foreign policy




immigration foreign policy na ippudu?
 

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 02:50 pm:       


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You are missing the order for the law .. Yale, Harvard, Stanford..

Trump might slowdown eventually or might become careful going forward with his decision.. DB kurroll mathramm change kastam..
 

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 02:44 pm:       


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ninna harvard law course material completed... iyyala Princeton repu Yale
 

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 02:42 pm:       

Leader of free world fighting with 7 lathkoor countries. He must watch dhruva or Thani oruvan and and learn to pick his enemy
 

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 02:39 pm:       


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Ee thotti p logics anni Obama EO ni hold chesinappudu raledhe?



till now aliens entry and foreign policy are typically done by presidents not by courts. first time kabatti questioning.

DACA ki court lo case vesthe kottesayi. DAPA ki hold on chesayi as amnesty can be given by congress only. ikkada permission to entry country rests in presidency as per congress passed act.
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 02:35 pm:       

judgement legalities decide chese judges and lw egesferts antha ikkade vunnattunnar....

 

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 02:30 pm:       


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epudite doors open chesaro pathanam shurooo ayyindi.....it bleed further....finally ends up an ordinary counrty in near future....



annai intha comedy ideas yela vastayi... nuvvu inka ee desam lo vunte urgent ga yellipo konchem ayina bleeding aguthundemo
 

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 02:21 pm:       

Ee thotti p logics anni Obama EO ni hold chesinappudu raledhe?
 

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 02:07 pm:       


Jai_ycp:


9judgement does not merit and should not stand on legality in supreme court if looked at per constitution.

V ammendment quote
Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

I do not know how this is applicable in this case?

not on solid footing
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 01:03 pm:       


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vatiki ee thread ki sambandhamu emiti? mee badha emiti? aveshamu emiti? anandhamu emiti?
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 12:57 pm:       

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/republican-town-halls -obamacare/index.html
 

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 12:53 pm:       

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 12:21 pm:       

On Thursdayâs broadcast of MSNBCâs âHardball,â Harvard Law Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz stated that the 9th Circuit Court of Appealsâ ruling against President Trumpâs immigration order is ânot a solid decision.â And âlooks like itâs based more on policy than on constitutionality.â

Dershowitz said, âLook, this is not a solid decision. This is a decision that looks like itâs based more on policy than on constitutionality. There are many, many flaws.â

He added, âI think this court opinion will not ultimately be sustained by the Supreme Court. Take, for example, the argument that itâs an establishment of religion, because it favors Christians or other religious minorities. In 1944 we passed the War Refugee Act, which specifically was designed to rescue a hundred thousand Jews, and everybody knew the purpose was to rescue jews. That didnât establish Judaism as the state religion of the United States. I think the establishment argument will fail in the Supreme Court. I think the standing arguments may fail in the Supreme Court.â
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 12:21 pm:       


Hadoop:




enti bleeding.. did you know what was the pay rate before?

200 per hr above undedi.. normal programmer ki..

ippudu unna market ki... immigration apeste.. salaries goes up but innovation will stop..

asalu emi chusi anukuntunnaru.. inni companies lo unna tech jobs suport chestamani? ippudu unna 80, 20 ratio poyyi 80 10 ki vastundi..

ma dantlo local ni hire cheyyaleka .. enno job wipro, tcs denka poyyayi.. aa rates petti ikkada project cheyyalemu.. unless we have low paid programmers, managers
 

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 12:14 pm:       

court chammakkalu - 3

The Ninth Circuit also claims that there is "no evidence that any alien from any of the countries named in the Order has perpetrated a terrorist attack in the United States." But as Washington Examiner journalist Byron York reports, thatâs simply not true. In fact, there is plenty of this sort of evidence:


Last year the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest released information showing that at least 60 people born in the seven countries had been convicted â not just arrested, but convicted â of terror-related offenses in the United States since Sept. 11, 2001. And that number did not include more recent cases like Abdul Artan, a Somali refugee who wounded 11 people during a machete attack on the campus of Ohio State University last November.

The court's apparent opinion that other aliens who don't live in the U.S. have due process rights if they are refused entry can only be true if they have a constitutional right to enter the U.S. That is an absurd proposition yet that is the end result of the court's opinion: that a foreign alien can demand a hearing and due process rights if one of our embassies refuses to give the alien a visa.
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 12:13 pm:       

these days taking the country to disastrous..... libthugs argument aliens(esp corpoarates thecche koolies) valla us bagupadutundi anedi myth(over hyped..with little truth)...infact we all njoying the fruits ..all the work done by themself much before 1990's........epudite doors open chesaro pathanam shurooo ayyindi.....it bleed further....finally ends up an ordinary counrty in near future....
 

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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 12:12 pm:       

court chammakkulu - 2

As an initial matter, the Supreme Court clearly said in Landon v. Plasencia, "an alien seeking initial admission has no constitutional rights regarding his application, for the power to admit or exclude aliens is a sovereign prerogative." Nevertheless, it is important to recognize that there are three categories of individuals: (1) noncitizens outside the United States; (2) noncitizens inside the United States.; and (3) Legal Permanent Residents (LPRs) and citizens.
While noncitizens outside the United States have no constitutional rights, noncitizens inside have a limited modicum of constitutional rights and LPRs and citizens have full constitutional rights. Because the President's order affected categories (2) and (3) -- despite clarification from the administration that it should not apply to LPRs -- the 9th Circuit struck down the entirety of the order.

which means that the same due process and rights will apply to first category too.
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 12:10 pm:       

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The court's reasoning that the states would be "substantially injured" by the order, and that the government did not provide a clear, and urgent need for the order does not address the critical issue of whether the President has authority to issue such an order under the federal statute 8 U.S.C. sec. 1182 (f) and under his Article II powers in the Constitution. Section 1182(f) plainly and sweepingly authorizes the President to issue temporary bans on the entry of classes of aliens for national-security purposes.

Somehow the 9th Circuit judges manage to write 29 pages without discussing the heart of the matter: whether the Immigration and Naturalization Act, specifically section 1182, gives the President the power to do what he did. Nebulous discussions of due process may be nice (or not) but they're superfluous if the President went beyond his statutory authority. But apparently the court didn't care about that.
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 12:07 pm:       

2) states and persons can claim local standing on issues related to immigration.

Under the courtâs novel theory of legal standing, âinjuriesâ to public universities that result from foreign students and teachers not being able to enter the country give the states standing to sue.

Moreover, the court held that foreigners with visas have due process rights under the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, even though the precedent it cited applied to people already in the United States. Those due process rights could also be asserted by states on behalf of people in the U.S. illegally or âwho have a relationship with a U.S. resident or ⦠institution,â the court held in its ruling.
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Posted on Friday, February 10, 2017 - 12:03 pm:       

even though this ruling is on TRO and has good chance that it gets truned over, court made comments that can open can of worms in future. In judicial world, most courts refer to sibling or high courts decisions to support thier. so this comments will impact us in future on many cases. Main issue are

1) Open consulate, POE or USCIS decisions for court reviews in future.
Although our jurisprudence has long counseled deference to the political branches on matters of immigration and national security, neither the Supreme Court nor our court has ever held that courts lack the authority to review executive action in those arenas for compliance with the Constitution. To the contrary, the Supreme Court has repeatedly and explicitly rejected the notion that the political branches have unreviewable authority over immigration or are not subject to the Constitution when policymaking in that contextâ¦

The procedural protections provided by the Fifth Amendmentâs Due Process Clause are not limited to citizens. Rather, they âappl[y] to all âpersonsâ within the United States, including aliens,â regardless of âwhether their STATE OF WASHINGTON V. TRUMP 21 presence here is lawful, unlawful, temporary, or permanent.â Zadvydas v. Davis, 533 U.S. 678, 693 (2001). These rights also apply to certain aliens attempting to reenter the United States after travelling abroad.

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