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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 11:16 am:       


Rocketk2:

. wait for couple of years , we will get our answers




yep. baaga aadaru kadoo. aadu tax filings soopinchadu. manam emo tax filings lo , state dept ki info koncham miss chestoo vuntaamu. all within the law
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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 11:07 am:       


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this did not amount to a "material increase" in the Gulf country's support for the charity.


let them sort it out and give the answer .. ippudu Emi cheppina without clarity,, there will be more questions.. they have to disclose and if they missed in case of normal 'Material increase ' there is a point. Million dolllars seems big but in the context of total donations it may be true oversight ..

And you can be assured there is going to be special counsel.. wait for couple of years , we will get our answers. Until then I will err on the positive side.
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 11:00 am:       


Rocketk2:

until Clinton team give clarification this all we have!!




http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-foundation-id USKBN12Z2SL

Clinton Foundation officials last month declined to confirm the Qatar donation.

In response to additional questions, a foundation spokesman, Brian Cookstra, this week said that it accepted the $1 million gift from Qatar, but this did not amount to a "material increase" in the Gulf country's support for the charity. Cookstra declined to say whether Qatari officials received their requested meeting with Bill Clinton.
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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 10:44 am:       


Rocketk2:

why people don't defend thenselves in politcs. Rather they deflect and pivot.



Indulo kooda Hillary ni defending. :D
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 10:43 am:       


Heineken:

Aada chepindhi endhi meru vinnadhi endhi


bangladesh vaallu vachi bengal lo commie gallaki gudde vaallu votes.. ippudu mamata ki..

vallaki america lo illegal ga voting ese vallaki difference undha
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 10:40 am:       


Heineken:


Aada chepindhi endhi meru vinnadhi endhi




ya, article kuda motham chadavakunda estannaar.
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 10:35 am:       


Amigo:



Phidel Phidel


Rockfire:

It is disgraceful to see when President of the country encourages illegals to vote

http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/obama-encourages-illegal-aliens-t o-vote/




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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 10:30 am:       


Rockfire:

It is disgraceful to see when President of the country encourages illegals to vote

http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/obama-encourages-illegal-aliens-t o-vote/




what the fcuk is this...obamma ga siggundara..lavfda.ga
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 10:12 am:       


Tilak:

God bless Information Transparency and Wikileaks! More power to them ..




Hope your blessings extend to NDTV and indian media too :-)
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 10:08 am:       


Rajusk:

hammayya ...just one more day..

aa taruvatha.. relax have a charminar


Me too..can't wait for it :-)
Every night before going to bed i tell my self don't get pulled into these discussions.. tellare sariki mamule.. realized I can be post baited as easy as Trump can be tweet baited !!
In general,
If one pays attention, Most of my arguments doesn't predicate on Hillary being dishonest ..it is contradicting 'conclusions' of Hillary is dishonest ..
So in my head, I think I am repudiating a fringe position ... but I end up being(looking like) the fringe position.. weird !! :-)
This, my friends, is the reason why people don't defend thenselves in politcs. Rather they deflect and pivot. Can't blame them for it..When Nixon(bad example to make my point) said infamously 'I am not a Crook' .. all people heard was crook.. :-)
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 09:46 am:       


Andhravodu:

db lo oka range lo unnaru ga




someone in the capital hill hearing mentioned it.. naa own kapithvam kaadu. nannu oggeyyi
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 09:44 am:       


Teenmaar:

very email and reply and file it in monthly email folders. how many SOS did this? i know the answer NONE.


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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 09:44 am:       


Asdf:

obviously, you can not go into the mind of a person to prove intention.


I am talking about the same thing .. not IRS.. IRS was an example
Of how it can construed as oversight ..there as eight such occurences.. they are not supppss to be seen on isolation.. if you disclose 100 and don't do 1 or 2 , they qualify for 'oversight' . There is pending discussion of material increase in donations ..there were donations made by the same foreign entity before this particular One

I can't say more without other facts .. until Clinton team give clarification this all we have!!
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 09:44 am:       

It is disgraceful to see when President of the country encourages illegals to vote

http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/obama-encourages-illegal-aliens-t o-vote/
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 09:42 am:       


Asdf:

IRS filing kaadu, when she was SoS she has to inform state dept as a rule. not that you do not know




there is a State dept. manual on how to save emails. they should physically print every email and reply and file it in monthly email folders. how many SOS did this? i know the answer NONE. this is a big oversight email preservation and usage of email addresses. if she knew better she wouldnt have made this mistake.
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 09:39 am:       


Asdf:

small mistakes like not informing irs or state dept do happen. lets not talk about those small issues




You naughty
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 09:35 am:       


Rocketk2:




IRS filing kaadu, when she was SoS she has to inform state dept as a rule. not that you do not know :D cgi did not agree to that till the weekend
obviously, you can not go into the mind of a person to prove intention.
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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 09:23 am:       


Asdf:

small mistakes like not informing irs or state dept do happen. lets not talk about those small issues


I kinda think I know what you are taliking about and it is not uncommon.

Many might have got a letter from IRS for clarification and correction for something filed in past few years. Make a correction and pay with fine because it was a genuine 'oversight' . Happens every walk of life..if you did not intentionally cheat Rs , it constitute a mistake and a correction with fine ensues
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 09:21 am:       


Asdf:




hammayya ...just one more day..

aa taruvatha.. relax have a charminar :D
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 09:17 am:       


Film_fan:

most of the people align with the elected.


alignment is right but the key is no immediate incentive to twist the facts and create smoke screens. One of the reasons, Hillary approval ratings tank when running for any office but other time they are good and better than many other politicians
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 09:14 am:       


Jujung:

Trump is beyond the pale. First defeat Trump and then hope the spotlight is on the Clintons to prevent any mischief.




This , I agree with ery much.

small mistakes like not informing irs or state dept do happen. lets not talk about those small issues :D
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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 09:13 am:       


Jujung:

Her corruption may not yet be legally proven, but then so are the accusations against so many Indian politicians whom we ridicule every d


here is another false equivalency and most potent one on this board. The checks and balances in India are lot different that that in US. We cannot project what is happening in India to what is happening ..bound to make incorrect assumption..

The 'yet to be legally proven' can't be as casual as in India
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 09:10 am:       


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Trump is beyond the pale. First defeat Trump and then hope the spotlight is on the Clintons to prevent any mischief.
The folly of mistaking a paradox for a discovery, a metaphor for a proof, a torrent of verbiage for a spring of capital truths, and oneself for an oracle, is inborn in us.- Paul Valery
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 09:09 am:       


Jujung:


there are lot of presumptions and assumptions..I agree with judgemental part and that is the crux of the problem.
Raw data out of context gives incorrect variables to judge .. there is a reason MSM doesn't carry the raw emails.the emails need to be curated and presented . Otherwise they provide an incorrect picture.
If I email my colleague, my boss is an and I feel like strangling him. If you read criminal intent in that , there is a problem. It's possible I am psycho and really mean it but the probability that is small. This out of context.

I am going to challenge how many of you went thru raw data and made your own judgement. Most of it is someone with agenda picked the juicy pieces highlighted and fed to influnence the thinking. That is fairly common. It's our responsibility seek out alternate explanations before calling crime on vaguery..
It takes time to really curate and present the information .. this is journalistic ethical obligation.
2examples less than 12 hrs ago.
Austyn crites name was in Wikileaks. Some one highlihted and send it across. And right wing gunning for his blood.. proven false
Late last night, header says CGI paid for Chelsea wedding and stufff. But if you read the real email, it is staffer getting irritated as Chelsea was talking to her friends about investigation asking her to keep shut as investigation is a serious matter..no connection whatsoever but people here pondering 'how dubious Clintons were'

There is another side to the coin. I have been repetitive .. don't conclude a murder without body and weapon. If a stain and shout is all you have , there can be million possibilities of which murder is one. We mostly end up here due to comfirmation bias not judgement..
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 08:43 am:       


Jujung:

Whether wikileaks is biased or not is not really an issue. Everyone is. Humans are supposed to be judgemental and that's what the brains are for. We aren't talking about their commentary in any case. It's purely about the facts. And no one has ever disputed the veracity of their facts. So, the mainstream media has decided to play down their importance or just ignore them altogether.
They were heroes of the left when exposing the iraq war details. Now, they are heroes of the right. Just like Comey who turned from hero to villain to hero of intellectuals in a span of 6 months. No wonder people are sick of the so called elitists and opinion makers.




meeru trump fan ani ardham aipoyindi. kooooo :D
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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 08:06 am:       

Whether wikileaks is biased or not is not really an issue. Everyone is. Humans are supposed to be judgemental and that's what the brains are for. We aren't talking about their commentary in any case. It's purely about the facts. And no one has ever disputed the veracity of their facts. So, the mainstream media has decided to play down their importance or just ignore them altogether.
They were heroes of the left when exposing the iraq war details. Now, they are heroes of the right. Just like Comey who turned from hero to villain to hero of intellectuals in a span of 6 months. No wonder people are sick of the so called elitists and opinion makers.
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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 08:05 am:       


Jujung:

All things considered, if one still wants to vote for Clinton it is only because the other candidate is so crude. It is a hard to argue that Hillary is a good candidate on her own merits. Her corruption may not yet be legally proven, but then so are the accusations against so many Indian politicians whom we ridicule every day.




You are preaching to choir. KCR ni support chesthaaru kaani trump ni dobbuledataaru. Jagan ni Gaali ni dobbuledataaru kaani Baamma ni support chesthaaru. We make all sorts of excuses for our comfort and convenience, I guess.
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 08:04 am:       

All this is for universal wedding only
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 08:01 am:       


Tilak:

em parledu .. manakadi motherland kaadu ..




birth mother kaadani adopted mother tagaladipotunna choosthu vurokolem kadhaa..
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 07:49 am:       


Rocketk2:

I think asdf has a different allegation he is bringing to the table. I don't want to put words in his mouth but he may be heading toward 'pay for play'



Wikileaks pointing to pay for play from the liberal tyt:
https://youtu.be/ApcqXijVzYU

All things considered, if one still wants to vote for Clinton it is only because the other candidate is so crude. It is a hard to argue that Hillary is a good candidate on her own merits. Her corruption may not yet be legally proven, but then so are the accusations against so many Indian politicians whom we ridicule every day.
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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 06:35 am:       

timing is the issue. too late and looks too obvious. trump has been such an idiot that even wikileaks stuff is not moving people against hillary. she will probably be the most unpopular president ever but she will be the president.
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i agree....but usually once elected/win.....most of the people align with the elected.....thinking that he/she is there as more people wanted them to be there....

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 06:26 am:       


Stellar:

Nov 8 tarvatha enni wikileaks vastayo daanni batti anchana voyochu wikilicks vaari niswardha seva ni :D


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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 05:06 am:       

Nov 8 tarvatha enni wikileaks vastayo daanni batti anchana voyochu wikilicks vaari niswardha seva ni :D
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 01:35 am:       


Bushu:

ikkada desam kaalipothaa undhi.


em parledu .. manakadi motherland kaadu .. :D
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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 01:10 am:       


Tilak:




nee yokka anandam edaithe undho, adhi thagalada. :D ikkada desam kaalipothaa undhi. she has to win big, like 330, 340 ec votes. anything less, racha aithadhi.


Andhravodu:

access hollywood tape rakapote, this would have been a big negative for hrc.




dhaniki dhee gaane idhi release aindhemo. who knows. dirty games left and right.
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 12:55 am:       


Bushu:

she will probably be the most unpopular president ever but she will be the president.


election day roje 60% electorate doesnt believe her ante .. in office .. maza aave che .. :D
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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 12:53 am:       


Bushu:

trump has been such an idiot that even wikileaks stuff is not moving people against hillary


access hollywood tape rakapote, this would have been a big negative for hrc. bushes are real lk's, all of them
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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 12:50 am:       

timing is the issue. too late and looks too obvious. trump has been such an idiot that even wikileaks stuff is not moving people against hillary. she will probably be the most unpopular president ever but she will be the president.
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 12:31 am:       


Rocketk2:

It has got to be an op-ed piece from a conservative journal


did some searching. Not an op-ed piece, but the source is a letter to denverpost.com As far as I can tell, denverpost seem to be liberal. No idea if they are tree hugger level
 

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Posted on Monday, November 07, 2016 - 12:24 am:       


Andhravodu:

the link he showed doesn't show any other allegation,


it doesn't . Hence my questions. But when a word like 'watergate' is thrown around so callously , there has to be bigger allegation to warrant. I am not able to understand where this was heading, so I started with 'wrong'

Also it doesnt say what you said..( i had to read it 3 times before responding :-))
it is kinda asking us to legitimize Julian assange claims because .. if we have done to watergate reporters what we are doing to Julian assange .. how would history judge that??? That is the premise.. It has got to be an op-ed piece from a conservative journal !!!
 

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Rocketk2:

I think asdf has a different allegation he is bringing to the table


the link he showed doesn't show any other allegation, what it says is the response against leakers is the same during different periods. A bunch of hooey against the whistleblowers apparently works well
 

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Andhravodu:

debbie shultz was instrumental in rigging the primaries. Podesta got the president to stall a bill as he was afraid Bernie would gain in polls. the list goes on and on, there's lot of emails


..if this is watergate, then you are seriously diluting seriousness of watergate this is it even close.. I won't engage in this discussion( in a nice way .. for all the bad that happened, primaries are still party's business.. missing a big point)

I think asdf has a different allegation he is bringing to the table. I don't want to put words in his mouth but he may be heading toward 'pay for play'
 

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Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2016 - 11:59 pm:       


Rocketk2:

what is Wikileaks and what is it alleging?? Watergate is an administrations coverup of several
Other scandals .. obstruction of justice etc etc..


wikileaks didn't allege anything legally. They're presenting a record of documents which show the underbelly of the system by politicians who pretend in public they belong to the good side. Seeing the good side folks acted dirty, people are understandably confused why they just have to support them in the first place


Rocketk2:

what happened and where??


debbie shultz was instrumental in rigging the primaries. Podesta got the president to stall a bill as he was afraid Bernie would gain in polls. the list goes on and on, there's lot of emails


Rocketk2:

Just because you don't find crime ..that doesn't mean criminal is smart!! It's possible there is no crime!!


Politics is about perception. I don't think nixon went to jail for a crime, just he was exposed
 

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Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2016 - 11:46 pm:       


Andhravodu:

watergate was a single attempt by an incompetent dickhead, this is magnitudes worse by a magnitudes smarter politician


let's make it simple ..
what is Wikileaks and what is it alleging?? Watergate is an administrations coverup of several
Other scandals .. obstruction of justice etc etc..

who covered up what??? Let's keep email away that don't mean anything.. let's focus on crime.. what happened and where??

As far as I know the allegations are showing smoke and wanting to put another 'special counsel' to investigate.. if that is all , than we are far away from calling this watergate

Just because you don't find crime ..that doesn't mean criminal is smart!! It's possible there is no crime!!
 

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Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2016 - 11:22 pm:       


Rocketk2:

wrong!


idi correct. watergate was a single attempt by an incompetent dickhead, this is magnitudes worse by a magnitudes smarter politician
 

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Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2016 - 11:18 pm:       


Asdf:



is the watergate analogy correct?


wrong!
 

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Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2016 - 11:16 pm:       


Startrek:

But why one sided?


Never asked the same to CNN, NYTimes, MSNBC, Huff Post, CBS, PBS etc? :-)
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Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2016 - 11:14 pm:       


Startrek:

But why one sided? Why can't they give same info on trumps skeletons? As a voter I would like to know good bad ugly on both the major candidates


I didn't recognize wikileaks was an equal opportunity employer. they could've published whatever they had, not whatever some people want it
 

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Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2016 - 11:12 pm:       


Startrek:

Why can't they give same info on trumps skeletons?


what skeletons of his are yet to be exposed?
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Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2016 - 11:02 pm:       

But why one sided? Why can't they give same info on trumps skeletons? As a voter I would like to know good bad ugly on both the major candidates

I still believe this is no love for American citizens but actually trials for assange's self preservation and survival
 

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Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2016 - 10:46 pm:       

God bless Information Transparency and Wikileaks! More power to them ..
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Posted on Sunday, November 06, 2016 - 10:25 pm:       

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is the watergate analogy correct?
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