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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 11:10 pm:       

Good thread.
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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 05:20 pm:       


Rocketk2:

I think we should keep the refugees out of this. Even if they take 65k as per Hillary suggestion, it is a small number. US has moral responsibility to take the refugees. It's humanity not politics




illegals ni legal cheyatam kooda humanity ne, am not saying its not. the timing and based on reputation, it was a guess.
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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 05:18 pm:       


Asdf:

his is for african-americans or overall?




Overall
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 05:16 pm:       


Rocketk2:

65k as per Hillary suggestion, it is a small number



sachipotava , avineethi ga batukutava okkate option ante alochinchakunda chachipotaa ane type cbn - OT
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 05:14 pm:       


Asdf:

refugee increase plan isolated ani nenu anukonu.


I think we should keep the refugees out of this. Even if they take 65k as per Hillary suggestion, it is a small number. US has moral responsibility to take the refugees. It's humanity not politics
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 05:13 pm:       


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sare saar, syllabus ento seppandi. ave adugutaanu. wanted to know if the govt is really helping the downtrodden. LOL, info adigithe you did not like the answer antaaru enti maastaru


debate lo kuda nathe ga.....mods ni koneyatam, kochens manaki anukulam ga veyatam...:D
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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 05:12 pm:       


Amigo:

why you want to foucs on particular community?




sare saar, syllabus ento seppandi. ave adugutaanu. wanted to know if the govt is really helping the downtrodden. LOL, info adigithe you did not like the answer antaaru enti maastaru
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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 05:06 pm:       


Asdf:

this is for african-americans or overall?




why you want to foucs on particular community? overall should be good.
probably you didnt like the answer you were expecting
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 05:03 pm:       


Rockfire:

As an American Citizen do you have complete freedom to do business in those countries? How many regulations/rules etc?


and you think any one can open a shop here. I am not getting your point. There are regulations protecting every country. US has one of the strictest(next only to Japan) and the strictest anti-dumping laws.

China is in a different zone. Their currency manipulation is problem but nothing to do with Clinton vs Trump. Both have to work within same rules .. There will be lot of political rhetoric that needs to be filtered out.
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 05:03 pm:       


Rgb:




this is for african-americans or overall?
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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 05:01 pm:       


Asdf:

overall in this 8 years, improvement in poverty/crime entha % vundi. that would give a better idea.




http://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/visualizations/ p60/256/figure4.pdf

same as previous for first 6 years. Seems to be improving in the last 2
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 04:57 pm:       


Rockfire:

What lot of people (H1bs especially) don't realize is, if Hillary comes to power, it delays their H1bs and Green Cards significantly since she is planning to give amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants as this delays further the process.




votes count no. refugee increase plan isolated ani nenu anukonu.


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Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent. 45.8 percent of young black children (under age 6) live in poverty, compared to 14.5 percent of white children.




overall in this 8 years, improvement in poverty/crime entha % vundi. that would give a better idea.
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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 04:54 pm:       


Rockfire:

The worst part of Hillary is pandering, pandering, and PANDERING. This is the attitude of third world country politicians.


the part you call pandering is actually part of platform. That is democratic Platform. It has everything to do with Hillary and other prominent democrats. This is their party position . All these have to go thru senate. In Hillary you have a leader who can work a compromise.

The platform has more than what you call pandering. Similarly, other side also has a platform. Nothing wrong with alignment
People who vote Hillary are the ones who believe in the platform and/or believe in Hillary's ability to take right decision
Similarly , people who vote to Trump should be the ones the believe in Republican Party platform and/ or his ability to take right decisions
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 04:49 pm:       


Rocketk2:




Dude there is no fair game. Look at China, Japan, Mexico, and India.

As an American Citizen do you have complete freedom to do business in those countries? How many regulations/rules etc?

In fact China is cheating every country including India. Some levels of nationalism required to protect nation's interest. India does that like wise lot of other nations. There is nothing wrong is US wants to do that for the sake of its interests.
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 04:43 pm:       


Rockfire:

There is nothing like black and white. Globalism with limitations is good but not at the cost of threatening your own economy.

Why India is not resorting to complete globalism? Why we have so many restrictions to save local business? Why we are advocating to stop China's dump in India? There is a reason. Why we are not allowing Bangladeshi's to India?


absolutely .. Nothing black and white ..

what is complete and incomplete globalism. Globalism doesn't compromise national interest. The world has changed. This is not the same world as 100 yrs back with industrialized west and half of the world under or reeling from imperial rule. The world is advancing very fast. Globalization is a positive trend. With the advent of digital age and growth in infrastructure , the quicker you embrace the better it will be. Isolationism is disaster waiting to happen.
Most of problems you listed are with a 'certain perceived' notion of globalization.. Not just globalization!!
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 04:41 pm:       

The worst part of Hillary is pandering, pandering, and PANDERING. This is the attitude of third world country politicians.

Look at Congress, all these worst politicians such as Lallu Yadav, mulayam Yadav. They pander to every community by promising them various things. She went to San Bernadino to meet Muslims there.

Look at this. She is surrounded by people like these

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/16/wikileaks-podesta -lamented-that-muslim-not-white-man-named-as-killer-in-2015- massacre.html
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 04:24 pm:       


Rockfire:

Hillary wants to increase more and more free stuff.


true .. But what is that she want to give free.

Rockfire:

According to one survey America spends more money for Illegal immigrant than for a veteran.



Why are you comparing veteran to illegal immigrant. I see an attempt to bring emotion .. But that's ok.
There is no policy written for illegal immigrants. There are laws written to protect people on land to have 'certain' protection. So when you see surveys like that we should investigate further. Numbers are real .. Interpretations are not


Rockfire:

She is promising free College Tuition for some people. Like we do reservations in India and offer all free stuff. Ridiculous.



Not true. She is not for free college(Bernie's position).. She is for debt-free college which is already 30-40% in use today. Ex: Columbia university is tution free if net income from parents is less than 70k( or some close by number) . she has given the numbers and where she is going to get them from. Once again Hillaryclinton.com


Rockfire:

She is not bothered about re-negotiating trade deals which are causing huge dents to economy.


Not true again. She mentioned several times that we should renegotiate trade deals. Check debate 1 which was watched by about 80M

Rockfire:

She is planning to increase Taxes further



True, most of it impact people earning more than 5m per year. It is not going to make any material changes for others!!!


Rockfire:

Where as Trump is reducing Corporate Taxes from 30-40% to 15-20%. Reduce significantly the ridiculous regulations. Also personal income taxes - he has proosed to reduce them significantly. He has plan to have 10% flat tax to bring all foreign money by all these corporate giants such as Google etc that should boost US economy.


I will not argue much here as I have not paid attention . But where is he going to get money for all the things he is promising ??
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 04:00 pm:       

Completely agree with points. The things that pains me is if America wants to vote dems on policies, it is fine. In democracy, majority matters. But media was turning this into a choice of trump personality contest which is wrong. It could be one of the factors but not the only one. Media mafia plus elitist Are turning election away. Who suffers common people. Read s can't fight this all the time they will also slide on welfare peasing country into disaster.
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the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 03:59 pm:       


Rockfire:

Hillary wants open borders. This is ridiculous.


appreciate you attempt to be objective. I will address others as I have time.. Let's start here
The only place ' Hillary wants open borders' is in the opponent speeches..
Hillary officially signed 2013 legislation that supports enforcement of border security controls. That is her recorded official position which is meatier that what we hear from opponent rallies. On the platform and her agenda(hillaryclinton.com) she is for enhancement of border security. There are ways to protect border than building a big and beautiful wall.. Which is totally not feasible

Let's move on.. If you are talking about speech she gave to global business folks at Brazilian bank.. Check the context and meaning
"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere."

Open borders is in the context of open trade and travel. She is talking about a futuristic globalised view of the world. This is what visionaries do. She is not taking about illegal immigration .. Gross misrepresentation that will get politics points.. But this thread is about facts.. So I think we are ok :-)
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:49 pm:       


Abhysg:




I concur with you
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:37 pm:       


Abhysg:

simply correst... ipudunna paristiti ki trump lanti hardliner ye kavali..or republican... dems ayite em chetakadu..vella appeasement tho sava dobbing..

yes im telling that..



over all US desam ki correct ante sampoo ee.....US interests ni care chese evarina reps ke vote veyali....inta gelichi racha geluvu annaru peddalu...alage mundu ee desam ni sakka ga sestha antnnadu oka chance ivvochu ga....
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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:33 pm:       


Rockfire:


But when you compare, I personally feel Trump has better policies.




simply correst... ipudunna paristiti ki trump lanti hardliner ye kavali..or republican... dems ayite em chetakadu..vella appeasement tho sava dobbing..

yes im telling that..
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:29 pm:       


Emc2:

Kani manaku aa musaldi thappa no alternative


naaku serious davttt...idantha oka setup....:D
ippataiki very clear evaru gelchina vodedhi vote vesina vallee...
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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:28 pm:       

Foreign Policy

Bush screwed up the middle east with his absolutely insane invasion of Iraq. But at least by the time 2008 when Obama came there was some semblance of calm and stability there. But Obama and CLinton have withdrawn the troops causing vacuum there resulting in IXIX.

Then the mess up in Libiya, Syria etc and giving free hand to Pakistan, no action on N Korea - it is a total disaster. Similarly Obama's relunctance to take leadership role made US weak and impotent.

Also the Iran deal is a total waste.
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:25 pm:       


Emc2:

Kani manaku aa musaldi thappa no alternative


rao garu presthutam adhe inka....evado oka swami ji meeru bichagallu vesam veyyandi ani chepte bagundedhi iddariki...:D
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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:24 pm:       


Sannayi_nokkulu:




Adi em peekdu, heyanivavru, ayinappudu chuddam

Kani manaku aa musaldi thappa no alternative
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:22 pm:       


Rockfire:

What lot of people (H1bs especially) don't realize is, if Hillary comes to power, it delays their H1bs and Green Cards significantly since she is planning to give amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants as this delays further the process.


annai memu ide ga motthukunedhi DB lo.....aina sare okkadu kuda vinadu....:D
nov'14 lo mana balu kurrod edo chesta annadu..eti chesadu....kiki......errga kalchi employers, vendors antha kalipi lobying chesi okati pettaru.....ead for 140s ante enti ante neeku unfavorble circumstances unaaya...then u r eligible...:D
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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:20 pm:       


Rockfire:

Forget about Trum and Hillary



forget endhuku, Trump political language unconventional ainaaa,vaadu seppevi anneee mee list lo points ye gaa
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:20 pm:       


Rockfire:

if Hillary comes to power, it delays their H1bs and Green Cards significantly since she is planning to give amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants as this delays further the process.




nanga chesi vaduluttunavu gaa clowton pans ni...kummu annai kummu
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:19 pm:       


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Among racial and ethnic groups, African Americans had the highest poverty rate, 27.4 percent, followed by Hispanics at 26.6 percent and whites at 9.9 percent. 45.8 percent of young black children (under age 6) live in poverty, compared to 14.5 percent of white children.

But unoffically the poverty rate among African Americans is above 50%.

One major reasons is single moms.
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:17 pm:       

What lot of people (H1bs especially) don't realize is, if Hillary comes to power, it delays their H1bs and Green Cards significantly since she is planning to give amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants as this delays further the process.
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:15 pm:       


Rockfire:

7. Poverty

a. increase in poverty of African Americans and Latinos
b. Inner cities are ridden with Poverty and lawlessness. No proper action and policies




any stats? O/mrs.O said this is the best time for amrika
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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:12 pm:       


Rockfire:

According to one survey America spends more money for Illegal immigrant than for a veteran.



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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:07 pm:       


Gsn1:




There is nothing like black and white. Globalism with limitations is good but not at the cost of threatening your own economy.

Why India is not resorting to complete globalism? Why we have so many restrictions to save local business? Why we are advocating to stop China's dump in India? There is a reason. Why we are not allowing Bangladeshi's to India?
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:04 pm:       

Debt

Hillary wants to increase more and more free stuff. According to one survey America spends more money for Illegal immigrant than for a veteran.

She is promising free College Tuition for some people. Like we do reservations in India and offer all free stuff. Ridiculous.

She is not bothered about re-negotiating trade deals which are causing huge dents to economy.

She is planning to increase Taxes further

Where as Trump is reducing Corporate Taxes from 30-40% to 15-20%. Reduce significantly the ridiculous regulations. Also personal income taxes - he has proosed to reduce them significantly. He has plan to have 10% flat tax to bring all foreign money by all these corporate giants such as Google etc that should boost US economy.

He is not promising any free stuff.
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 02:03 pm:       

Rock

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it is Globalism (Hillary) vs Nationalism/Westernism (Trump).

We have seen with our own eyes the impact of Globalism in Europe. The impact of Socialism in India.
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I personally favor Globalism. Yes, in the SHORT term, there is pain for advanced nations, but at the same time it alleviates poverty in 3rd world countries and helps them to be more integrated with advanced nations.

Overall it is a GOOD THING for the majority of the people.

It is like, there were number of kings and their kingdoms in India. Some of the people in those kingdom's were really enjoying their lifes. But with the advent of democracy and elections, all of Indian population started enjoying the freedom of the democracy and the fruits it brought. On the other hands raja's and maharaja's lost their significance in the process. We can pity for some of those good raja's and maharaja's. But, overall it was a good change.
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 01:58 pm:       

Look at Illegal Immigration. I am not talking about Legal Immigration.

Hillary wants open borders. This is ridiculous. India is building a strong fence with Bangladesh. Mexico is building a wall on its other border to stop illegal immigration. She supports sanctuary cities. For example if you a illegal immigrant, came to US and you can go to sanctuary city like San Francisco, you can get Drivers License and survive until you get amnesty.

For people like us it takes 15-20 years to get Citizen ship. We get questioned even for small document missed in our H1b applications. Whereas if you are illegal immigrant or anchor baby, you get full benefits including health benefits and also food stamps. At whose cost? From excessive taxes paid by people like you and me.

Hillary, Obama, and lot of Republicans support it.

Trump wants to regularize it. He wants to build a Wall for which both houses have already approved long back.

Trump wants to send back at least 1-2 million anti-law and drug lords. But all these countries are refusing to take them back.
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 01:58 pm:       

Keep the thread alive. Time unnappudu Dems vachi nalugu satires vesi Trump ni titti veltaru. Because they truly believe that illegals should be given citizenship, and free everything for poor. Encourage laziness.
Although I wish it wasn't Trump the nominee. If it was anyone else, the fight wouldn't even have stayed even till last two weeks.
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 01:50 pm:       

pagal gallu, eo peekudam ani free trade agreement meeda sign chesaru

chinku gallu M kosuku poyaru

wake up omlica
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 01:48 pm:       


Rockfire:

But when you compare, I personally feel Trump has better policies.

In a nutshell

it is Globalism (Hillary) vs Nationalism/Westernism (Trump).


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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 01:45 pm:       


Gsn1:




We can definitely discuss and compare them. However we should not be subjective and emotional while discussing them.

I was a huge fan of Obama and Hillary back in 2008 and 2012. But I am totally disappointed with them due to their failed policies.

But at the same time I am not a great fan of Trump either due to lack of discipline.

But when you compare, I personally feel Trump has better policies.

In a nutshell

it is Globalism (Hillary) vs Nationalism/Westernism (Trump).

We have seen with our own eyes the impact of Globalism in Europe. The impact of Socialism in India.
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 01:36 pm:       

Rockfire. Good list of issues.

But, is there a comprehensive plans from the two candidates addressing these issues?

It will be helpful to do a side-by-side comparison of the 2 main candidates (if not all 4 candidates).

Hillary's might be there, but we cann't trust her as she is a seasoned politician and has been saying the same things forever. It is only talk, no action as far as hillary is concerned.

But, for trump, does he have plans to address these issues? We can hope he can walk the talk.
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 01:20 pm:       


Rockfire:

c. H1Bs


r right...send'em back....
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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 01:20 pm:       


Gotcha:




These issues are there for ages. They don't really matter since they are based on ideologies.
 

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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 01:18 pm:       

Gun violence
Pro-anti abortion issue
Stem cell research
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Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2016 - 01:11 pm:       

Forget about Trum and Hillary, Let's look at the issues/problems America is facing with:

1. Illegal Immigration

It is estimated that about 12 Mil Illegal immigrants presently in US. The Southern border is porous and there are no pragmatic steps to stop them. If amnesty is offered to them, it sends positive signals to millions of other people that are ready to jump the border. It is a green signal for them. It is already costing US economy billions of dollars dealing with these Illegal immigrants. Also causing unemployment, drugs, law and order issues etc.

2. Debt

US has over $19 tri debt and it is growing like crazy due to 3 reasons

a. unfair trade deals (NAFTA, numerous others, TPP on the way)
b. overindulgence in welfare activities
c. Highest Corporate taxes causing big corporates to keep the money abroad

3. Economy and Employment

a. Economy is shrinking
b. Manufacturing is dead - causing loss of blue collar jobs in the heartland
c. H1Bs and Illegal immigration is not helping this either
d. Excessive regulations destroying local small businesses and manufacturing

4. Foreign Policy

a. US has become weak due to mess up in Middle East
b. Europe becoming socialistic
c. No leadership at all

5. Terrorism

a. Allowing people from XXX countries to US is creating scope
b. No strong policies and actions causing or encouraging

6. Education

a. Introduction of Common Core
b. Falling standards


7. Poverty

a. increase in poverty of African Americans and Latinos
b. Inner cities are ridden with Poverty and lawlessness. No proper action and policies

8. Falling Infrastructure

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