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Jambalahaart_raja
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Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2016 - 09:03 pm:       


Jai_ycp:


My advice is you need to have a mentor, guide of supporter who bats for you in upper management.



At one stage in the corporate ladder, you'd notice this mentoring ladder ends.
People lookup to you as the mentor, as the supporter, and you are the Upper Management.
Anything above is purely by chance. Mergers and Acquisitions, Brain-Drains, someone in Goldman gets called into Fidelity for a better position, because they hung out one night at a strip-bar.. Aa taravatha, Internal Org-Restructuring, and that department is brought under you as well.. Now you have 400 more people reporting to you, instead of the previous 100.
When in the Corporate Ladder, you are entrusted with responsibilities and are expected to show results, not as a foot-soldier / developer, rather a Manager, you are free to put together your team that you trust. You probably will get an incompetent fellow, one or two, and it is up to you to decide their fate, and the fate of the project, and your own fate. If you are way above in the corporate ladder, you are not even expected to hire-and-fire, instead, everything is delegated.
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Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2016 - 12:49 am:       


Saint:




Agree 100%. Senior management daggara multiple opportunities ravu. Couple of times I can't ante side chestaru. PM challenge is to manage the unknowns, motivate the team and satisfy the client and company. Okkosari time bagundi anni set avvuthayi. okkosari

My advice is you need to have a mentor, guide of supporter who bats for you in upper management. It makes things easy. Of course vademi free ga cheyyadu. Vadiki kavalisina panulu cheyyali.

Mana sudi bagoka vadi dengipothe manAki bokke
the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ
http://goo.gl/gn6XL5
the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu
 

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Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2016 - 12:10 am:       


Saint:

u really got to be a really bad person


bad ante literal bad kaadu..strong / koddiga katinyam vundelaga annattu...karunamayudu ithe ethi potharu..!
 

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Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2016 - 12:08 am:       

to be a successfl manager, most of the times, u really got to be a really bad person....in very few cases, good managers can pull it off....

ade laid back ayyi vundi..bug fixes small small features chesukunettu ithe..pedda farak padadu..u dont need any mgmt skills...!
 

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Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2016 - 12:06 am:       


Jambalahaart_raja:


Do not commit to something that you absolutely don't have any control.
If you commit to something, keep it in your control.
Success and Failure are relative, and they are just ratings, based off some metrics, that can always be cooked.
True Success is when a Manager can Make and Break the Fate of people reporting under him/her.




developer ga that to contractor ga vunnappudu no/yes/alright cheppatam easy...
oka sari mgmt role lo ki elthe..yes/no/alright vundavu..upper mgmt road map prakaram work seyyalsindhe...with limited resources..u may not get any new resources but u will get more n more projects...cheppina antha vz kaadu...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2016 - 12:04 am:       


Jai_ycp:



lesson ga corect kaani practical ga ala vundadhu. most of the times you have to commit based on client on company pre set conditions.




ki ki ki..ade kada comedy ante.. in reality...maree laid back culture vunde company tappa..and maintenace proj lo tappa..edanna pedda project dev chesepppudu toomuch commitment vuntadi...

It is always comparsion with peers...nuvvu nenu commit avvanu ante..pakkana vunna inkodu commit avuthadu...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2016 - 12:01 am:       


Jambalahaart_raja:

Professional Environment is not the same as a Sporting Team. Your success will solely depend on your work, and team has no involvement in it. As a Manager, it is your regular routine responsibility to understand strengths, weaknesses, motivate, inspire, beg, borrow, steal, divide the work amongst the team members and get it done.
2 yr experience ke naaku Infy lo same-to-same opportunity. I denied taking the responsibility. I told them, that I don't have the adequate experience, so I am not willing to venture into something that I have never been prepared for. It's just that, now I am ready, and a Team Lead experience from 10 years ago would not have changed anything so far.
Almost 7 years ago, inko project lo oka Manager ilaane adigithey.. Lead has gone for 3 week vacation, I want you to lead this and complete it ante, for $45 an hour, this is how much work you'll get out of me ani blatant gaa deny chesaa.. Manager shocked... taravatha nene verey project chooskuni quit chesa.. and inko 15 days lo nannu fire chesevaaru ani taravatha telsindi!!!




ade mari comedy ante...when u have efficient ppl...every thing looks so easy...I lead small team in IBM when I have 1 year exp...I was responsible for one of the very crucial feature in AIX6.1 release....project was smooth konni process related bumps vachina kooda ..one girl is gold medalist in CSE from NIT Trichy....

I literally don't have to do anything apart from giving design...never felt I wasnt a mgmt material...


cut sethe after 3 years..lagaan team...literal ga paripoval anipinchindi...I felt I wasnt a mgmt material...

India lo boothulu dobbi anna pani seyinchukovachu...US lo tellolatho (pani raani) early ga elli poye vallatho...antha vesy kadu...
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 11:56 pm:       


Jambalahaart_raja:

Lesson # 1.
Do not commit to something that you absolutely don't have any control.
If you commit to something, keep it in your control.




lesson ga corect kaani practical ga ala vundadhu. most of the times you have to commit based on client on company pre set conditions.
the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ
http://goo.gl/gn6XL5
the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 11:53 pm:       


Jambalahaart_raja:




inka em ujjogalu sestam kaani.. happy ga retire ayipo... nenu kooda next year to next year retire ayipodam ani decided... DD live streaming choosta.. pandula pempakam modalettali anukontunna..
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 11:45 pm:       


Jai_ycp:

In that position, you have to take responsibility for things that you dont control.



Lesson # 1.
Do not commit to something that you absolutely don't have any control.
If you commit to something, keep it in your control.
Success and Failure are relative, and they are just ratings, based off some metrics, that can always be cooked.
True Success is when a Manager can Make and Break the Fate of people reporting under him/her.

Tugoboy:

Jambala...r u in India or US?



US bro..
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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 11:38 pm:       


Onlytruth:

PR skills nerchukubte raavu in general



Ippudu tabla vaayinchatam nerchukovaali ante Zakir Hussein ayipotaaniki kaadu kada.
Poni, just cooking nerchukovaali anukunte.. .Wah Re Wah Chef ayipotaaniki kaadu kada..
All Clients, all Tech Managers, by birth ye antha goppa PR Skills vunnollaa??
Poni vaallandarilo successful Managers sub-set teesinaa.. by birth ye goppollani kaadu kada..
Andaru yedo oka stage lo nerchukunna vaarey...

Saint:

your success also depends on the team...



Professional Environment is not the same as a Sporting Team. Your success will solely depend on your work, and team has no involvement in it. As a Manager, it is your regular routine responsibility to understand strengths, weaknesses, motivate, inspire, beg, borrow, steal, divide the work amongst the team members and get it done.
2 yr experience ke naaku Infy lo same-to-same opportunity. I denied taking the responsibility. I told them, that I don't have the adequate experience, so I am not willing to venture into something that I have never been prepared for. It's just that, now I am ready, and a Team Lead experience from 10 years ago would not have changed anything so far.
Almost 7 years ago, inko project lo oka Manager ilaane adigithey.. Lead has gone for 3 week vacation, I want you to lead this and complete it ante, for $45 an hour, this is how much work you'll get out of me ani blatant gaa deny chesaa.. Manager shocked... taravatha nene verey project chooskuni quit chesa.. and inko 15 days lo nannu fire chesevaaru ani taravatha telsindi!!!
"Chill Bro.
I told you to let it go!!"
- The Budhha.
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 11:15 pm:       


Saint:

ikkade naaku kalndi...leka pohe ipppudu sr manager position lo vundetodni worst case lo....or may be director too in best case..


on the flip side, you get praised a lot for somebody else work too.
the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ
http://goo.gl/gn6XL5
the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 10:34 pm:       


Jai_ycp:

In that position, you have to take responsibility for things that you dont control. You will get raps from client and senior management for things beyond your personnel capabilities. are you the guy that can take a slap on he wrist easily and handle stress.


ikkade naaku kalndi...leka pohe ipppudu sr manager position lo vundetodni worst case lo....or may be director too in best case..
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 10:26 pm:       


Jambalahaart_raja:

What should I do to move-over to Management?
I want a team of over 30 people reporting to me.
I want to fix deadlines, demand budgets, hire-and-fire people at will.
I don't want to associate with any one technology, framework, language etc.
I want a spacious office-room, not a cramped cubicle. I want my calendar to appear busy with meetings scheduled through the day, where my word is pivotal and final.
I don't want to investigate and fix bugs. I want to demand status and reports about those bugs and defects.




grass is greener on the other side. looking at your posts, it will be tough for you in the management position. In that position, you have to take responsibility for things that you dont control. You will get raps from client and senior management for things beyond your personnel capabilities. are you the guy that can take a slap on he wrist easily and handle stress.
the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ
http://goo.gl/gn6XL5
the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 10:06 pm:       

Jambala...r u in India or US?
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 07:41 pm:       


Jambalahaart_raja:



chill bro !!
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 07:24 pm:       

Jambal...

I believe mgmt is not a rocket science..but for that u need to change/control ur hibits instincts...discipline is mandatory..careless atttude never work..your success also depends on the team...

When I have 4 years experience, I was a project lead in CTS..I set up a team, did project KT transition. It was a nightmare for me..may be I was too young for that..on top that I got a lagaan team...vallaki 2 days lo kooda complete kaani work naaku 1-2 hours lo ipoddi..ani nenu teesukuni chese vanni after 2 days...nenu vallaki skills upgrade cheyyataniki, chala ways lo try chesa..basically they dont have motivation...oka fresher gaadi chetha work cheyincha galiga kaani 3-4 experience vunna batch chetha cheyincha leka poya...basically they r not fit for that proj..mgr cheppina evvadiki cheppina..live with it annaru kaani no change...

BP/frustaion/etc anni vahci....nenu individual contributor ki suite avutha...no leader material ani ball drop chesi malla atu side poledu...I cant take dumb questions...I wasnt fit ani blind ga fix ayya..malli inko sari try cheddam anukuntunna...
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 07:03 pm:       

FT teesukunte gaani

teesukoni fermarmance baga soopiste u will b next level

licking ni kakunda talent ni ncouragr sestaru ani market lo perunna company ni vedukkoni

fte teesuko first step
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 06:51 pm:       

PR skills nerchukubte raavu in general
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 06:14 pm:       


Guru:

You need to plan for it. Did you work as an individual contributor through out your career or did you manage any dev team on or offsite?



Nice, now we are talking.
1. I did manage a Tech Team, but strictly technical, non-agile environment. Rather, I was the SME for Technology Design for any Upcoming Initiative. A New Enhancement Project, Talk to Jambal before giving a Go-Ahead, just in case, if we miss potential pitfalls or technical debt that we may not be aware of.
2. For Projects that did not come my way, team always ended up with loads of Defects closing-in on deadlines, and PM would always approach me as the Go-To guy for the last 2 weeks before Delivery to close-out Urgent and High Priority Defects. I mean, first-hand nunchi Business Requirements telavvu, SRS, Wires, Visuals ivevi choodaledu...but striclty by gut-feeling, Top Priority Defects close-out chesetodini, on Triage Calls with Business Partners..

So, In one way, Individual Contributor mostly, without any body in the team directly reporting to me, because clearly, I was only a Consultant, and not a FTE.
Ippudu 12 months, Lead a Dev Team ante, How would that be possible as a Consultant?
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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 05:38 pm:       

Jamabale - why do you think it's tough to move to a management role? You need to plan for it. Did you work as an individual contributor through out your career or did you manage any dev team on or offsite? If not, try to do that for next 12 months or so. IMO you will need some domain expertise to complement your tech background to add more value. There are a few pms with just tech background but it would take time for them to see the problem thru business lens. If you are a brilliant techie and love what you are doing, you can become a senior architect and guide dev teams.
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 05:23 pm:       


Onlytruth:

lickers or excellent PR skills guys



OK, Licking ante personal interest ledu...
Now, please don't tell me Excellent PR Skills cannot be learnt over time.
Ippudu aa PR Skills nerchukovaali ante.. yem cheyaali?
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I told you to let it go!!"
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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 05:13 pm:       

u dont have it in u....


lickers or excellent PR skills guys make it to next level
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 04:49 pm:       

Career Counseling adigithey...
Free gaa Suggestions ichhe vaallu koodaa kanapadakundaa poyaara...
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I told you to let it go!!"
- The Budhha.
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 03:44 pm:       


Time_pass:

sontha company pettu



Milk Business ne teesko...
1. Already 9 companies milk ammukune market lo you'll have to be a 10th milk seller / distributor, and manage to appropriately split the market-share and win it. Need not be No. 1, but you have to be able to split the existing market of 9 sellers, and reduce each one's share and win piece-by-piece some of it.
2. Absolutely new technology, new idea, milk powder ni ammukune type same market lo sub-section market create chesentha scene vundaali!!!

Ayinaa Iyanni 10 years ago friendses toh kalisi drinks vesthu discussions ayipoyinayi...
India lo e-commerce market start avvakamundare... maa college senior RedBus kurrod inspiration and support toh yedo House-Rentals ani, AirTickets bookings ani try cheyatam, 6 months ki fail avvatam.. friendses anthaa drop avvatam... anni ayipoyinayi...
"Chill Bro.
I told you to let it go!!"
- The Budhha.
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 03:13 pm:       

sontha company pettu
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 03:02 pm:       

serious gaa move avvali ante give gmat.score 680+. you can either join isb or iim 1 yr mba. you can get placed to some company in managerial role. naaku telisina oka ayana was in a technical role in wipro.did pgpx from iim calcutta.

http://www.iimahd.ernet.in/programmes/pgpx.html
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 03:00 pm:       


Jambalahaart_raja:

. I have H1-B Visa with Approved I-140 ani cheppina taravatha, our office will be in contact with you anesi.. malli emails ki respond koodaa avvatamledu...




rolu coming and telling maddela..:D
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 02:56 pm:       


Rajusk:

daaniki nuvvu West Coast move avvali ..



AirTime, TripAdvisor, Audible, Comixology, WeWorks..
almost everybody called in last few weeks. NYC lo offices koodaa vunnayi...
Initial Talk yedo call chesthaaru... I have H1-B Visa with Approved I-140 ani cheppina taravatha, our office will be in contact with you anesi.. malli emails ki respond koodaa avvatamledu...
"Chill Bro.
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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 02:52 pm:       


Platypus:

You seem to have a very low opinion on the Indian GSIs




last 5/6 years lo nenu soosindi septhunna IBs lo..

not sure about other industries..
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 02:50 pm:       


Jambalahaart_raja:

I don't want to associate with any one technology, framework, language etc.
I want a spacious office-room, not a cramped cubicle. I want my calendar to appear busy with meetings scheduled through the day, where my word is pivotal and final.
I don't want to investigate and fix bugs. I want to demand status and reports about those bugs and defects.

Urgent gaa Career lo next stage ki vellaali ante yem cheyaali?




ivanni medium term lo achieve avvali ante..short term lo oka startup lo join avvali.. konchem Tech Architect range lo..

initial gaa hands on pani chesina..start up click aithe..migithavi anni faasible..

daaniki nuvvu West Coast move avvali ..
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 02:50 pm:       


Rajusk:

aa companies ki kavalsindi Client ki Bhajan Lals..aa bhajan lal skill ae unte..manodu Investment banking lo ne industry hit ayyetodu kada..




Avasaram ledhu. You seem to have a very low opinion on the Indian GSIs
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 02:49 pm:       


Linkmaster:

chaav adobbuthunnaav.. you are the best judge for your career..




DB lo mahaa mahulu... hemaa hemeelu vunnaar.. neelaagaa...
Directors and CTO range positions lo undi.. naa laanti badulu balaheena vargaala kurrooll ni encourage cheyatam maanesi.. nee saavu nuvvu saavu ante.. yettaa ajjakshaa!!

Saint:

CTS/Infy/TCS type companies



spacious office-room will be like a conventional oven... Client Managers ki vunde freedom over responsibilities.. mottam reverse lo vuntadi... Pressure over Responsibilities is more than Freedom to Enjoy the Role!!!
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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 02:47 pm:       


Saint:

PMP cert and join CTS/Infy/TCS type companies




idi antha veezy kaadu raja..

manodu vachina work culture veru..aa companies lo unde work culture veru..

aa companies ki kavalsindi Client ki Bhajan Lals..aa bhajan lal skill ae unte..manodu Investment banking lo ne industry hit ayyetodu kada..
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 02:45 pm:       

inka?
Pandulu drainaige guntalo undi matladukuntai anta.. Chi Chi Manushulu ala ela untaru.. chi chi..
 

Sapayiraaja
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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 02:44 pm:       

Ameerpet lo bathrrom automation ane company pettukoni daggarundi poyinchaali.
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 02:42 pm:       


Jambalahaart_raja:




chaav adobbuthunnaav.. you are the best judge for your career..
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 02:42 pm:       

PMP cert and join CTS/Infy/TCS type companies
 

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Posted on Monday, October 03, 2016 - 02:39 pm:       

Career switching elaa??
1. 12 years Industry in Java, including 5 years in Android, and almost 2 years in Savvion BPM.
2. Almost 10 years in Finance - Goldman, Fidelity, Capital One from Infosys in India, taravatha Fed, State Tax Depts, Retail, Video-Playback, 5 years Investment Bank..
3. Ye naa koduku Top Management lo peddagaa help chesindi ledu.. Career lo help cheyaledu.. Konchem encourage chesi Pull chesindi yemi ledu.. Nene Rapport elaa build cheskovaalo teliyadu.. teliyaledu.. try chesaa... but never managed to gain THAT type of personal friendship with any Top Management fellow.
4. Flow lo kottukupothu vachhaa.. Savvion vochhu.. but Positions time ki dorakaledu... FTEs try chesthune vunna.. madhya madhyalo rest teeskuntaa vunnaa.. mostly day long interviews fail ayyetvi... Contract roles ki 1 hr interviews okkate click ayyetvi.. some contract roles with 3 hr interviews also, chiraakkhu dobbithey interview missed!!! particularly plan cheskunnadi ledu, but so far so much, somehow career is going good ani compromise avvatame..

Developer gaa hands-on coding chesindi chaalu...
As and how I worked on UI projects, I lost touch with middle-tier and backend-tier technologies, like DB and ORM etc..
What should I do to move-over to Management?
I want a team of over 30 people reporting to me.
I want to fix deadlines, demand budgets, hire-and-fire people at will.
I don't want to associate with any one technology, framework, language etc.
I want a spacious office-room, not a cramped cubicle. I want my calendar to appear busy with meetings scheduled through the day, where my word is pivotal and final.
I don't want to investigate and fix bugs. I want to demand status and reports about those bugs and defects.

Urgent gaa Career lo next stage ki vellaali ante yem cheyaali?
"Chill Bro.
I told you to let it go!!"
- The Budhha.

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