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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 07:57 pm:       

@jujung

Don't come up with half baked information

these export ban, FDI restrictions are never opposed fully by communists...only thing they every time request is, from all the trade related agreements India should benefit more...nothing more that

one more thing is, If u generalize every communist activist say and want answers from me...pls just stop here

U r talking to me...just talk to me or quote secretary level candidates from communist parties , then I can answer
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 07:47 pm:       

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why are taking the argument to consumer side ?Government is not a retailer or manufacturer to satisfy the 'consumer;

The most important thing for any government is to keep a check for inequality levels... Big box retails will only make some pockets bigger and they often pay low wages along with getting incentives

the incentives given by the government are nothing tax payers money...what kind of favors that a small / medium scale retail outlet will get from a government?

nothing...yet, the tax evasion by them is nothing compared to the tax incentives to big retailers
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 07:43 pm:       

@Jujung

If u just go by the literal meaning of capitalism whenever I mention it in my posts, ur understanding will be limited to that only

If I were a staunch communist, I would n't even be talking about economics, because 'lending for interest' is the backbone for every economy and communism opposed it

I was never a staunch communist...coming to Venezuela

Yes, both unfettered socialism and unfettered capitalism are harm for the society..crude oil prices are the main reason though

I am on the socialist side, because look at this thread how many are there to argue that excessive capitalism should be controlled?
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 07:37 pm:       

Basic points:
Export ban: naa panta ki vere desam vadu manchi price istha nante vadiki ammataniki ready ayyanu. Madhyalo evado gannaya gadocchi nenoppukonu.. Naake ammali ante adi entha varaku nyayam?
Import ban: naaku nacchina vasthuvu pakka desam vaadu thakkuva price ki ammutunnadu. Nenu vaadi daggara konukkuntunte, inkevado swadeshi anukuntaa vacchi nuvvu naa daggare ekkuva price ki konukkovalante, adi entha varaku dharmam? Asalaa vastuve ee desam lo dhorakkapothe, neekidi chaalu lera pakodi ani nehru garante, adi entha varaku nyayam?
Fdi limits: Naa business idea nacchi, vere desam vadu naa company lo invest chestha annadu. Madhya lo evado erra jenda pattukocchi memu oppukomu vaadu invest cheyyataniki nee business lo ante adi entha varaku nyayam?

Commies and socialists cannot implement their hair brained ideas without enslaving a vast majority of their countrymen either by directly imprisoning them or driving them out of the country or mass reeducation programs from childhood. It's a blot on human society.
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 07:24 pm:       


Lenin:

Who is talking things from consumer's perspective here? I'm talking about Economy, I'm talking about indigenous manufacturing ? 'Consumers' is a broad category...It's the responsibility of the government to have a balanced on whether big box retailers are good for the country or mid sized retailers (not for USA, but India)


U r just taking the argument into several directions...



Direct answer matram ivvavu...it is apparent that you can't deny that consumers benefit from it. Even for the economy, interfering with the free markets by restricting FDI, imposing minimum wages are bad. But that is a deeper topic so I chose to first point out that what you are suggesting is a forced charity where consumers are forced to pay extra to feed inefficient small businesses.
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 07:22 pm:       

Hehe.. Looks like lenin evolved his position from staunch anti capitalist to just anti greed/exploitation . :-) In a few years with age and wisdom, am sure you will evolve to pro capitalism and anti socialist

Btw venezuela current position gurinchi mana erra sodarulu emanukuntunnaru? Chavez gariki chaalaa mandi fans undevaru kadaa even in this db
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 07:04 pm:       

Capitalistic socities - socialism met with disaster

lol..If u have used the word Communism instead of Socialism, that would have been little sensible

Socialism is there in every capitalistic society, from USA to America

in ur Marx fable, u have clearly explained that Marx will fight for minimum wages and improved work atmosphere, reasonable work hours

every thing is a result of rebellion from working class..even ur medicare, pensions eery thing is socialism

Australia to Norway there are so many capitalistic countries which implement socialism in their policies

and Capitalism is not enemy of Socialism / Communism... the greed and the exploitation are the enemies
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 06:21 pm:       

Inquisitive -- Just tell me whether Wal-Mart will be able to provide better value to consumer's money

Who is talking things from consumer's perspective here? I'm talking about Economy, I'm talking about indigenous manufacturing ? 'Consumers' is a broad category...It's the responsibility of the government to have a balanced on whether big box retailers are good for the country or mid sized retailers (not for USA, but India)


U r just taking the argument into several directions...
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 01:33 am:       


Lenin:

I will better explain u , how retail giants will kill the economy



Keep explaining, that's what you commies have been doing for centuries while these very retail giants have been contributing to the rapid growth of capitalistic societies and while socialism has met with disastrous failure.
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 01:28 am:       


Lenin:

U r quoting some thing which is comparing technology with labour and misinterpreting what I've said...just chillax man

How Walmart can be technically so much advanced compared to mid sized Indian super market ? can u pls tell me ? I'm not talking about the products they sell, but how it will make work easier? in fact, replenishing stock will me much more tougher in Walmart. May be in warehouses, they might be using more forklifts..that's it

Ur understanding levels of Marxism are below average...no one is here fighting against technology evolution...If technology is taking over in a rapid pace, what we will request is, identify the skill area where jobs are being cut down and upskill the labour, say train a hand picker to use fork lift and reach fork

u r completely deviating the topic...

10 midsized firms will cut down the bigger pockets of retail giants, China was successful just because of that reason...they have encouraged lot of local manufacturing along with FDI



That is irrelevant. Why do we need the elaborate details of how Walmart is able to acheive better efficiency than smaller retailers?

Just tell me whether or not Walmart is able to provide better value to the consumer. If it is not then it would go bankrupt by itself as consumers are free to go wherever they find the best value. If Walmart is able to provide best value then why should any government do anything that forces consumers to lose out? Like I said, I won't object if consumers give charity to failed retailers who were unable to match the value for money of Walmart. But forcing them to do so by using taxation or other restrictions is unacceptable.
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 01:23 am:       


Lenin:

For some of you, India is a market, for some of us, India is a country!



Only those who are able and willing to provide minimum wage jobs to anyone who asks must be allowed to enforce minimum wage laws.
Only those who are able and willing to invest more than the highest FDI offer must be allowed to restrict FDI.

"I won't do it but I will interfere if others try to do it" is the very attitude that ruins a country.
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 01:20 am:       

keep the thread alive...

I will better explain u , how retail giants will kill the economy

Aus is the biggest loser from these giant retailers and big firms
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 01:17 am:       

@Inquisitive

it's apparently visible that who is on the side of 'rich man'

u have answered every question...except the work pressure, now tell me

who will handle it? operations manager ?
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 01:15 am:       

@Inquisitive

U r quoting some thing which is comparing technology with labour and misinterpreting what I've said...just chillax man

How Walmart can be technically so much advanced compared to mid sized Indian super market ? can u pls tell me ? I'm not talking about the products they sell, but how it will make work easier? in fact, replenishing stock will me much more tougher in Walmart. May be in warehouses, they might be using more forklifts..that's it

Ur understanding levels of Marxism are below average...no one is here fighting against technology evolution...If technology is taking over in a rapid pace, what we will request is, identify the skill area where jobs are being cut down and upskill the labour, say train a hand picker to use fork lift and reach fork

u r completely deviating the topic...

10 midsized firms will cut down the bigger pockets of retail giants, China was successful just because of that reason...they have encouraged lot of local manufacturing along with FDI
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 01:14 am:       


Lenin:

U have n't mentioned about the working conditions in the firm



I did. Read again.

Lenin:

u have n't mentioned about how much skill the work require



It is obvious that the job was that of unskilled labor. Otherwise, the rag picker wouldn't have been hired.

Lenin:

just started blabbering that Business man will give 200, with that start buying plots in banjara hills otherwise Marx will ruin ur life



So as long as businessmen fail to provide enough wage to enable their employees to buy plots in Banjara Hills, they must be prevented from providing better opportunities to rag pickers? As a rich man, it is easy for you to trivialize 200 rupees a day and mock it by mentioning Banjara Hills plots. But for a rag picker earning 70 a day, 200 rupees a day is a significant improvement in living standards.
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 01:07 am:       


Lenin:

I am 100% sure Walmart taking 10million a month, will definitely provide employment to fewer compared to 10 medium 1 million mid size firms



âOh, I thought you were trying to build a canal. If it's jobs you want, then you should give these workers spoons, not shovels. [Reply to the government bureaucrat of one Asian country who told him that, reason why there were workers with shovels instead of modern tractors and earth movers at a worksite of a new canal, was that: "You don't understand. This is a jobs program."]â


â Milton Friedman

Similarly, by your logic, Walmart shouldn't be replaced by 10 medium size firms that charge 20% more than Walmart, it should be replaced by a million individuals who charge 200% more than Walmart.
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 01:01 am:       


Lenin:

have u seen any one revolting against hire and fire in IT/ITES sectors?



Yes I have. I can't say that they have been very successful but I surely have. I am sure many others on this DB have seen too...
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 01:00 am:       


Lenin:

U feel like some one is out to get u..lol



Not at all. You are too imaginative.

Regarding GST, I was glad that it is finally happening because it is in the interest of the country. I am a Telanganite but I wouldn't deny that I am a well wisher of AP too. But AP too will benefit out of GST along with the rest of the country.
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 12:34 am:       

@Inquisitive

why are you bringing 'me' ? It's not about you n me... this is a discussion..U feel like some one is out to get u..lol

If it's about u n me...the other day, u supported GST and u have no right to do that as a supporter of CBN / AP welfare, because u have already seen what a powerful federal govt can do to the states and u want to bestow the centre with 100% tax rights!
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 12:14 am:       

@Inquisitive

the notion of FDI is to get more benefits for the country , not for the business men...

Who is controlling whom here? Does service sector have organized labor ?

FDI that flows into India , is majorly going to service sector...have u seen any labour organizations which are threatening the output levels? have u seen any one revolting against hire and fire in IT/ITES sectors?


I'm not completely against FDI...I never told u that...it's the matter of allowing 100% FDI in some sectors

and more over, I prefer government encouraging indigenous manufacturing, rather than importing technology....I prefer 10 medium suppliers compared to one retail giant


I am 100% sure Walmart taking 10million a month, will definitely provide employment to fewer compared to 10 medium 1 million mid size firms


I am least bothered about business people...Yes, if there are any complex procedures to start, wind up a business from the govt side, they should be simplified..Yes, if the labour unions can ignite too much political heat, it should be controlled...but, asking for security and encouraging things which are good for 'Indian' economy is not at all 'Marxism'

I better will take the side of economy rather than a business!

For some of you, India is a market, for some of us, India is a country!

U don't need to agree with me, but stop cooking stories based on ur imagination
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2016 - 12:04 am:       

Inquisitive

U have started saying some shi*t about Marx that he only provokes proletariat, the only thing that was missing is making the business man a proletariat

U have n't mentioned the usual political clout that a business man possess , which an ordinary worker will never have in his entire life time

U have n't mentioned about the working conditions in the firm

u have n't mentioned about how much skill the work require


just started blabbering that Business man will give 200, with that start buying plots in banjara hills otherwise Marx will ruin ur life

what kind of uni dimensional story it is?


and do u want all the responses in sensible way?
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 11:50 pm:       


Lenin:

not every FDI comes from a noble business man...



Who wants "noble" businessmen? Whoever comes would have to give better value to suppliers, labor, and customers relative to what they have. Otherwise they won't be able to produce and sell anything.
Nee imagination lo business world antha social service angle lo nadusthundi...real world lo ala undadu...I am sure even you respond to incentives rather than charitable considerations when it comes to your career/investments/business. But when it comes to others, you want to limit options. If somebody wants to offer something to suppliers, labor, or customers, let him offer and them choose. Why restrict him on the name of FDI controls blah blah and limit the choice of suppliers, labor, and customers?
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 11:39 pm:       


Lenin:

noble business man providing a better salary package for country people



I never said "noble" businessman but better salary package is obvious. Nobody will work if they aren't offered a better package than what they already have.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 11:37 pm:       


Lenin:

cho chweeeeeeeeett...It looks funny when capitalist like u try to wax eloquence about the benevolence of business ppl..



Idi nee level of understanding...benevolence or malevolence tho business decisions teesukuntarani oohinchukuntav...I never attached any benevolence to the businessman's character in my story. He does he what does out of his own interests, consequently the rag picker benefited for sometime. That is how the world works.

Nee lanti vaallu capitalists ki malevolent motives attribute chesi tharimeyyataniki choostaru. Road meeda adduku thintunnodini pattinchukokunda velthe emanaru kani meeru set chese minimum wage kante thakkuva ki employment iste attack chestaru. EVen if the worker willfully takes up the job. Ichche vaadiki, teesukunevaadiki leni problem nee lanti communists ki untundi. Unemployment tho addukku thinte maatram emi cheyyaru.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 11:32 pm:       


Tilak:

Thats a lot of generalising and painting everyone with a bad brush! Like how some corporates cut corners and print their own FDs and cook account books/fake assets for cheap bank loans and never repay and flee country after diverting money to tax havens .. there may be some bad shopkeepers, that doesnt make everyone bad!



Of course I didn't mean that every small businessman does that. But the level of scrutiny (from public, media, police, tax officials etc.) that exists for large businesses doesn't exist for small businesses. Moreover, large businesses depend on outsider employees who may not may not be with them the next month. So manipulating expiry dates, weights etc. is extremely hard to do. Small kirana store owners usually hire close relatives or family members so such things are possible for them.
I am not saying that they are bad by nature and big businessmen are good. Future group ki same opportunity unte even they might do the same things but they don't have the same opportunity.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 10:20 pm:       


Inquisitive:

They do all sorts of despicable things. They show extreme caste, religious, regional discrimination in providing employment, they manipulate expiry dates, weights etc. They evade taxes. Their default rates are usually higher than those of the large retailers. It is so hard to police them. Future group ilantivi cheste CBI investigation cheyyochemo but small retailers ki local police and commerical tax officers ni manage cheste chaalu.
They unabashedly fight against a level playing field by asking for tax concessions, barriers to the entry of large retailers etc.


Thats a lot of generalising and painting everyone with a bad brush! Like how some corporates cut corners and print their own FDs and cook account books/fake assets for cheap bank loans and never repay and flee country after diverting money to tax havens .. there may be some bad shopkeepers, that doesnt make everyone bad!
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 10:04 pm:       


Guriginja:

Marx matallo nijam lekunte janam thiragabade vaallu


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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 09:15 pm:       

@Inquisitive

try to get a real time scenario...if u have any experience investing in resource intensive industry like manufacturing / assembling things, take that and come..we will discuss, as we are discussing about proletariats

ur whole point revolved around a noble business man providing a better salary package for country people...Try Koratala Siva with this story...he may make a picture with Ram Charan
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 09:02 pm:       

@Guri

Mundu asalu ayana self employed ki , skilled employee ki polika pedatannadu, which itself is crap

Self employed may / may not be skilled and they work at their own pace, there will be no daily targets / delivery deadlines...no need to work under pressure


just let's have a balanced scenario and then talk...na istamochinatlu story teeskuni Karm Marx ni villain ni chesta ante, who stopped u? Please include engels, leon Trotsky, ranganayakamma garini kooda..
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 08:53 pm:       

the story has so many bokkas the holes...first of all businessman will do business there as long as it is profitable....the very reason he came to the village is because he saw won opportunity to make a buck..not to do some charity...if he is offended for asking to run a business and not a slave shop, he has no business to do business in the first place. From the post it looks like Marx doesn't look like a telugu cinema villain, infac he looks like super star krishna in eenadu movie, ntr in some movie (name gurthuku ravatam ledhu), and in one movie where he comes as illarikam allude and kocchens the bijinessman sir, or shoran babu in some other movie....Marx matallo nijam lekunte janam thiragabade vaallu....aa vaccine bodimunda bijinessman dobbesthunna lite teesukunnar ante fault is with the bijinessman...anina yokka idhi.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 08:45 pm:       

first of all the scenario itself bull crap and I need to discuss on it...

not every FDI comes from a noble business man...2nd thing FDIs will have that extra incentives and red tape reductions

I can rephrase the same story which will suit my version, but what's the use talk numbers, talk real scenarios


FDIs in India so far boosted employment majorly in service sector...with service sector boom, India will always be 'developing country' as the IPs will be with developed countries, we just work to fill our stomach and their profits


when there is no much profit, they will pull off even with out showing consideration towards the worker's future
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 08:41 pm:       

wow...

cho chweeeeeeeeett...It looks funny when capitalist like u try to wax eloquence about the benevolence of business ppl..

pls add 2 fairies in ur story ...ivala nite ma kooturiki katha seppukunta
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 01:58 pm:       


Cool_indian:

they dont expand and dont provide big employment opportunities.



They do all sorts of despicable things. They show extreme caste, religious, regional discrimination in providing employment, they manipulate expiry dates, weights etc. They evade taxes. Their default rates are usually higher than those of the large retailers. It is so hard to police them. Future group ilantivi cheste CBI investigation cheyyochemo but small retailers ki local police and commerical tax officers ni manage cheste chaalu.
They unabashedly fight against a level playing field by asking for tax concessions, barriers to the entry of large retailers etc.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 01:52 pm:       


Cocanada:

i am talking about large scale retailers vs street shops

may be the local stores CAN do big things if they have access to cheap capital.

we can talk about values when there is level playing ground in terms of availability of capital and resources




What do you mean by lack of level playing field? Capital providers (shareholders and lenders) are free to invest with whoever they want. Obviously they will choose to invest wherever they see max returns. Small street shops borrow a lac or so, for that the lender or shareholder would have to transact with them, monitor their financial statements etc. Obviously it is not worth it unless they charge high interest or expect high returns by buying the shares for cheap. If you want to invest a crore, it is easier to invest with one large retailer rathan than deal with a hundred street shops.
This is a level playing field. If street shops provide the same ease of transaction, economies of scale etc. to the investors, the investors will reciprocate by providing cheaper capital.
Cheap financing is only one aspect, the inefficiency of street shops stems from many other factors such as operational inefficiencies resulting from small scale operations.
Why should consumers be made to pay for their inefficiency? If a large retailer can provide more or better quality goods at a lower cost, the consumers should be allowed to buy from them. I won't object if some consumers want to give charity to small retailers from the savings they get by buying from large retailers but they surely must not be forced to buy at higher prices by disallowing large retailers or by discouraging them through discriminatory taxation (biased towards small retailers).
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 01:13 pm:       


Cocanada:

I am not commi but what if that business leads to destruction of 100 other businesses?




Responsible businesses unte asalu ee story lo poor guys charecter fellow lantollu job less ga undevallu kadu kada...most local shops/businesses are family owned...they dont expand and dont provide big employment opportunities.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 12:36 pm:       


Cocanada:

I am not commi but what if that business leads to destruction of 100 other businesses?




assalu aa voollo vere business lekapothe?
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 11:45 am:       


Inquisitive:

inefficiency of some businesses


i am not sure what your context is

i am talking about large scale retailers vs street shops

may be the local stores CAN do big things if they have access to cheap capital.

we can talk about values when there is level playing ground in terms of availability of capital and resources
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 11:31 am:       

In real world there are more than 3 characters in a story. Whenever there is oppression and poverty people turn for someone to offer solutions. Poor and downtrodden do not have the opportunity or time to look at causes and effects. They just want answers that SEEM real. Reality of the matter is capitalism is the most poor friendly system but good luck explaining that to the poor.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 10:57 am:       


Cocanada:

I am not commi but what if that business leads to destruction of 100 other businesses?



And how can it achieve that? By providing better value for money and fulfiling the needs of the customers of all of those 100 customers? By drawing away the labor and suppliers of those businesses by giving them a better deal? In either of these cases, the right thing to happen is for those 100 inefficient businesses to make way for the new one. Why should any patriotic citizen or responsible government wish that labor, suppliers, and customers should pay the price for the inefficiency of some businesses? They should all be allowed to get their money's worth (customers), goods worth (suppliers), or efforts' worth (labor).
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 08:30 am:       

I am not commi but what if that business leads to destruction of 100 other businesses?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 08:04 am:       

Lenin kurrodu can answer..
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 02:03 am:       

There was once a poor man in a small village. He used to collect trash and sort them out to try to find saleable things. In the process, he caught chronic diseases, skin rashes etc. But he only made 70 rupees a day.
That village had an intellectual (pseudo-intellectual?) named Marx. Marx was an activist but he couldn't prevent the pitiable life of this rag-picker. He watched mutely.
One day a businessman from outside the state set up a small workshop in this village. He employed many of the villagers including this rag-picker for a paltry pay of Rs200. No force, no threat. It was the best opportunity available to the villagers so they willingly took up employment. The work hours were long and the conditions in the workshop weren't very good. It was hot and noisy.
Now, Marx did not keep quiet anymore. He raised his voice against the "exploitation" of the outsider (businessman). He gathered the support of the village elders and asked the businessman to improve work conditions, reduce work hours, and raise wages. Otherwise, they wouldn't let him operate his business.
The businessman shut up and left the village. The rag picker went back to picking trash. He worked under worse conditions for longer hours than at the workshop but only managed 70 rupees a day.

Marx went back to work. He had nothing to complain now. But he is ever vigilant to attack any "exploitative" businessman who might enter the village in future and exploit this rag picker.

Shall we wish that Marx grows from village level to national level and attacks foreign direct investors and the likes rather than confine himself to the village?
"Sakshi is a most balanced and independent media. This has no affiliation with any political party," Jagan had said. Link: http://www.outlookindia.com/news/article/sakshi-retelecasts- story-omits-antisonia-remarks/701963

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