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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 07:24 pm:       

Nice analysis by Rudradev on BRF re: LEMOA

"I don't understand the wholesale bellyaching here. Signing LEMOA does not equate to India selling the farm lock, stock, and barrel.

The US in the past has signed many agreements, treaties etc. with "Indian" nations: Sioux, Cherokee, Navajo and others. When it became convenient to do so, the US simply "failed to honour" those agreements any longer.

We can also fail to honour LEMOA or any other agreement we sign with anybody should it become detrimental from the point of view of our interests. GOI knows this, Moscow and Beijing know this, and Washington knows it too.

For now the optics are what matter. As a result of our signing LEMOA, the Chinese are feeling our brown unglis up the yellow river valley. Xi is the kind of dense, self-aggrandizing Han jerkwad who has repeatedly begged to feel our unglis. From the moment Modi won the election in 2014, he has tried to reach out to Xi in a friendly manner and push forward a path based on cooperation. Xi has responded by ordering PLA incursions into Himachal Pradesh at the very time he was engaged in a summit with Modi; by suppressing moves to have Pakistani strategic assets censured as terrorists by the international community; by blocking India's entry into NSG and trying desperately to enforce the international re-hyphenation of India with Pakistan; and by investing more money into the CPEC and more Chinese military and civil personnel into unlawfully occupied Indian territory... Gilgit-Baltistan and POK... to back it up. All this while simultaneously facilitating a tripartite nuclear proliferation + collaborative testing program between NoKo, China, and Pakistan, and trying to elbow everybody else out of the South China Sea and openly flout the UNCLOS.

Belatedly Mr. Modi has decided to give up on the better relationship he had hoped for with China, and decided to show them ungli instead. Tanks in Ladakh, Su30s in DBO, roads up and down Arunachal Pradesh, exercises in the SCS with the US and Japanese navies, all the things MMS was too cowardly to consider. LEMOA for the US amounts to the biggest such ungli yet, especially since it is overtly cast as a response to Chinese encroachment on the SCS via artificial islands.

But let us keep that in perspective, too. Just as, with some geopolitical rearrangements, the Chinese can move their assets off the SCS artificial islands or dial back their claims on Indian territory/investment in CPEC, either India or the US can roll back the LEMOA as a quid-pro-quo measure. What LEMOA gives both the US and (especially) India is a card to play. For example, if Xi decides to make nice with India, we can delay the necessary filing of triplicate jerox copies in some remote corner of a South Block office that happens to be particularly critical to make the LEMOA de-facto implementable. OTOH, if Xi continues to be recalcitrant, we will find more unglis to jam into the yellow river. That is how the game is played.

I am also very skeptical of the idea that Putin will distance himself from India and embrace the Pakis in a fit of pique over our signing the LEMOA. Putin isn't a reactionary idiot. He understands the compulsions of geopolitical maneuvering as well as, or better than, anybody else. He knows that our alignment with the US, to the extent that it exists, is entirely China-specific. He knows that one day he, too, might need India as a counterweight against a China that becomes a threat to Russia itself. And he surely knows how much the Pakis are to be trusted.

If Russia actually backpedals away from its close proximity to India, denies us Akula-II SSBN and other technologies, and conversely embraces Pakistan... then we can be sure that Russia is doing this for its own reasons and on its own initiative, not because we signed the LEMOA. Putin does NOT react... he did not react when the Turks shot down an Su-27, but quietly and effectively pursued his own strategy in Syria without taking the bait. He plays the game on his terms, makes the moves he chooses at the times he decides to make them.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 07:53 am:       

https://twitter.com/mishrashiv/status/770851765399027712
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 01:00 am:       

if its me, i would make india part of USA. 51 st state. **end of the story **
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 12:54 am:       

Lenin..

India ki manchi deal idi..way to go.

India bases avasaram US ki pedda ledu..nuvvu chala ekkuvaga voohinchukuntunnav

Deigo Garcia (Indian ocean) lo last 50 yrs nundi manchi base vundi..pak& afghan lo cheppakkara ledu... number of bases
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 12:45 am:       


Thikka_sankara:

Unless trump wins and US and Russia become friends and China US and Russia form a group , India is screwed.... Else, India has to allign with US....




china has border disputes with russia as well. eellu penta jeyyani neighbor ledhu. both the countries are like a bull in a china shop, too many faultlines that the US can easily exploit. India will not oppose russia too much but china needs to be controlled.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 12:39 am:       

PrajaSakthi

the world has moved on. commies need to move on. this is not the bipolar world of US and USSR anymore. NAM etc is just bullcrap that has yielded nothing for India other than socialistic retardness for the economy. US was with China in the last century and has now sensed them as enemy#1. India's biggest worry is chinese hegemony in this zone and china is not even our friend.

excellent way forward for the country. SCS is critical and India will lead the way there supported by US and japan.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 12:28 am:       

@Reddit

nasanam korukunedi emundii...I feel like China's time bomb is ticking and they can't rebound any time sooner

na wish tho sambhandam emundu...natural resources kontha varaku self sustain avataniki panikostai

Aus economy is riding on low interest rates, real estate and retail...nothing great apart from that..it can expand it's horizons, but a state of political eunuchs can't do much
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 12:19 am:       


Reddit:

same with Canada


read some where that Chinese millionaires are migrating in hoards to canada
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 12:13 am:       


Reddit:

China


Canada
Don't compare your weaknesses to someone else's strengths.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 12:13 am:       


Lenin:

Aus natural resources are abundant


demand lekapothe natural resources em jesukonu bro. Demand has to come from either China or India, either one fails then world wide economies legusthaay. Oz reality sector is being propped up by Chinese investments same with China so valla nasam korukoku
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 12:05 am:       

@Reddit

China started to sneeze from beginning of the last year and we are already suffering from cold since then...seems Canada is a better option now

only thing that's pulling me back is, Aus natural resources are abundant
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 12:00 am:       


Lenin:


China fall ayithe Ozzie will fall so nuvvu plan b read sesko
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 11:56 pm:       


Lenin:

Chinese downfall will be unprecedented


hammayya .. thanks for the post! Greedy rogue nations always get the bitter pill.
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 11:36 pm:       

TS..don't bring Russia mate

Russia is completely screwed up...China vapu ni choosi balupu anukuntadi...Just GDP numbers and military strength choosi amuse aithe ela?

China has to travel long way to compete with USA, China lost it after giving over importance to production, also Asia is not in the hold of China ...it's just will take time for that kind of friction to get intense internally in the communist party

China ni choosi manam bhayapadatam is like needa nu choosi deyyam anukotam...what China is doing is just keeping us at bay, not more than that, they can't expand their territory..once it's started Chinese downfall will be unprecedented
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 11:26 pm:       

Unless trump wins and US and Russia become friends and China US and Russia form a group , India is screwed.... Else, India has to allign with US....
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 11:25 pm:       


Lenin:


to look at China as a competitor to USA is laughable


why is it laughable??? China on its own is in a position to stand against US now... And Russia is anyway there
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 11:21 pm:       

First of all

to look at China as a competitor to USA is laughable

2nd thing

India will be using US bases to replenish and refuel its fleet...even more laughable
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 11:01 pm:       


Lenin:

Priyamaina Pradhana mantri garini agouravaparinchinanduku Kshantavyudini...



anthoddamma!!Mr.Modi ani address cheste chaalu!!
Whatever might be the issue, have a grace to address the people with respect!!is it too much to ask??
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 10:36 pm:       


Happyguy415:




http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/kudankulam- 11-protesters-held-on-sedition-charges/article3013635.ece
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 10:32 pm:       


Happyguy415:




http://www.firstpost.com/india/kudankulam-protests-hijacked- by-the-church-and-the-foreign-hand-255466.html
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 10:30 pm:       

Manam kadante Pakisthan ki pedda offer istharu. Pak ni control cheyyadaniki ayina, ee deal lo participate cheyyadam better. China - Pak nexus andariki telisinde.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 10:28 pm:       


Lenin:




Indian Ocean lo kuda US long presense undi

Problem is they have naval presense and satellite monitoring

Recently China developed technology to destroy satellites, so US has its own technology

So war like situatin with chinks they need a land presence to deploy troops

Strategically India is best location, that's why they started manufacturing f16's and other things in India for exports and other use

Think about how much we are going to getting benefitted with this, just go and do some deep research ,
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 10:13 pm:       


Lenin:


I'm also not very comfortable with this deal....But I think with world polarizing b/w US and China, and that China is a rogue neighbour to India, India is in a desperate situation.... Ussr vs us lo laaga we are not alligned anadaniki ledu with China.... Choosavga already China warning ichhindi if India torments issues in baloch it will involve directly in indpak conflict ani.... Ilanti env lo tappadu
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 10:05 pm:       

@EMC2

US fleets are in Arab and South East nations

not in India...even though there won't be any excuses to use the base, it will at provide an entry point for US on Hindu Ocean
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 10:03 pm:       


Lenin:


US ki UAE, Myanmar, Thailand, Phillipines, Singapore, Japan, Australia etc llo bases/facilities unnayi .. India kottaga terichedi enti? Karachi port lo significant portion ni 15 years nunchi USA vaadukuntondi .. so India lo facilities valla US ki pedda benefit ledu .. but India can use a few facilities in the region which are in the lines China is using to encircle India.
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 10:02 pm:       


Lenin:




Manam gates teravadam enti rajaa, they are patrolling since long time ,they have silent dominence on these regions

They have base in Japan and Vietnam too

Ento nee istam vachinatlu matladatav, strategically India needs US, US need India

Both are scratching each other to counter china, next nee thadika thadika
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:58 pm:       

Tilak

Atlanatic and Pacific meeda complete dominance undi USA ki, now Hindu and Arabin ki manam gates tericham

nothing apart from that
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:54 pm:       

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/lemoa-is-not-a-militar y-alliance-pact-expert/article9051378.ece

"No military bases, both countries say. What IS it then? Could you please give one or two scenarios in which LEMOA will come into play?

I am mystified by this obsession with bases. The U.S. has LEMOA agreements with over 100 countries but basing agreements â which are different â with only a fraction of those partners. ..."
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:54 pm:       


Happyguy415:

Kundankalam




idi MMS gaaru cheppina prakaaram NGOs kaavaalani, India growth ni aapaalani target chesina protests kadaa. Ikkada Christian Missionaries tho sambamdhamu emiti
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:52 pm:       


Awara1984:

campaign run by christian missionaries




Kundankalam ki Christian Missionaries ki sambamdham emiti saaru?
arthamu kaaledu.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:50 pm:       


Lenin:

one more Koodankulam kind of delay may not happen




campaign run by christian missionaries



and you want that to happen again
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:49 pm:       


Lenin:

then it will only be USA 95% ani matrame chebthunna




By the way US already has a similar agreement (with more access) with plethora of other countries.

So what makes you say that they'll use our bases 95% of the time? :D - come on...koddigaa vaadu saamiii
 

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Lenin:

then it will only be USA 95% ani matrame chebthunna




On what basis are you saying this number - is the basic question.

Hope you are an expert in this field, or you're in the Navy or something of that sort? Or do you at least have some real policy people saying these numbers?
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:46 pm:       


Lenin:


Bro .. hugging a wolf, brigade of Yechury lanti crappy tu-tu main-main lo not interested ..

The world everywhere is changing into a "sharing economy" with Uber, Airbnb etc etc same principle here .. Modi is doing the same in defense. India is NOT investing trillions in fighting wars and establishing military bases around the world to protect Her sovereignty. With this deal, however, India has an option of military bases readily available in case of an "emergency". USA and India are both mutually benefiting with this without massive investments!
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:46 pm:       


Lenin:

don't even ask me about Nuke deal..they have made change which will effect more..NDA has taken out the clause that the suppliers will not be held liable in case of any damage

and they have n't opposed this when UPA was in power

absolute oppositionism by Modi






Lenin:


https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Modi-oppose-FDI-back-when-he-w as-CM-What-are-his-reasons-now-for-increasing-FDI-in-almost- every-sector

the whole link will tell u the story




Ok, I'll read it. Thank you.

But you're still shooting in the dark. Every post of yours (except where you gave the above link) was showing disgust towards Indian Polity and Indian Government and especially NaMo. As I said multiple times, if you don't mind being treated as a prototype communist...go for it...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:45 pm:       


Lenin:

then it will only be USA 95% ani matrame chebthunna



endukalaa anukovaali. mana navy vaallu kooda US basesni around the world use chesukovachchugaa with this agreement... use chesukunnavaadiki chesukunnanta
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:39 pm:       

@Tilak

A strong massage has been sent by hugging a wolf antava?

fine..nenu bilateral agreement lo day to day use untadi ani cheppaledu...even if at some point of time , India or USA has to make use of it, then it will only be USA 95% ani matrame chebthunna
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:38 pm:       

@Tugoboy

Priyamaina Pradhana mantri garini agouravaparinchinanduku Kshantavyudini...
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:36 pm:       

@Tialk, Tugoboy

here comes the brigade of Modi...what can India do this so called patrolling ?

taking any sea borne illicit activities to the notice of the high command i.e., USA?
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:35 pm:       


Lenin:

mana ki antha capacity unda on a regular base US base la ni use cheskotaniki


Bro .. this deal is NOT meant for day to day regular use! This is for extremely volatile and rare events in case of war! This gives Indian Navy to be more flexible to deploy our warships, submarines in seas around certain rogue nations that are trying to flex muscles.

Lenin:

China tho disputes unte, South China sea lo China dominance tagginchataniki eduru choosthunna countries tho chethulu kalapochu


North East India (Tibetan border) lo 100 fighter jets with 1000 BrahMos missiles deploy chesindi India last 3 months lo, ippati nunchi cross border incursions taggutayi choodu China nunchi. For a street bully, you need to give a very strong message. Thats what India is doing now after tolerating the nonsense for 70 years!
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:35 pm:       


Tugoboy:

Mana PM ni alagena address chesedi?


oyabboo ManMohan unnapudu eti chesaru mee bakthulu
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:33 pm:       

@Happy guy

don't even ask me about Nuke deal..they have made change which will effect more..NDA has taken out the clause that the suppliers will not be held liable in case of any damage

and they have n't opposed this when UPA was in power

absolute oppositionism by Modi
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:32 pm:       


Lenin:


ne bathukki asalu self respect anedi edisindaa picha na dash ga...what exactly is the use for India in this?



sarigga maatlaadu!!Mana PM ni alagena address chesedi?Anduku kaadu mee Communist lani...desam nunchi....tolesindi??Poyi...China chanka ki salt raasukuni nakandi!!
Praja sakthi link tho....mana PM ni istam vacchinatlu abuse cheyyocha?
 

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Lenin:

Japan Korea Singapore lo unde US base lu manakem use avuthai...am really puzzled


Indian Navy is expanding massively. With this move, Indian Navy can patrol 80% of the seas around the rogue nation called China. From Australia to Thailand, we can use many facilities!
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@happy guy

https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Modi-oppose-FDI-back-when-he-w as-CM-What-are-his-reasons-now-for-increasing-FDI-in-almost- every-sector

the whole link will tell u the story
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 09:27 pm:       


Lenin:

non alignment




Nehru tho ne poyindi adi..after 1991.. open legs policy india.
 

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Lenin:

India would repent




It's a democratic country. Whether you, as an individual, likes it or not.
There is a democratically elected government in power and they are doing things the way they see as the correct way.

India won't repent. If things go wrong, we may learn and improve. That's all.

Stop referring to the country "India" -- especially when you loathe the concept of "country" so much
 

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Lenin:

Why Modi opposed then and accepted the same later...I need to give the clarification..wow




Essentially you have no stand, no facts. Is that what you are trying to convey?

Please provide proofs where he opposed and what he opposed.
Also proofs that nothing has changed between UPA version and NDA version of whatever agreement you are referring to.

Then we can discuss.

Criticising the government is one thing. But doing so blindly with hatred, like your posts are showcasing....That's intolerance of the highest levels.

I'm sorry, I don't take it on face value, especially when a "prototype communist" like statements are used in posts.
 

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Happyguy...lol

Why Modi opposed then and accepted the same later...I need to give the clarification..wow

I'm just asking whether there are any changes in clause or not...from my perspective, India can not handle a nuclear damage, Nuke power is not viable in in future...decommissioning and cleaning the nuclear waste involves huge cost

the clauses are more in favour of a seller , not buyer

India would repent
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Jai_ycp:




hairless widows tho matter em disco chestham,

matter unnavallatho matter disco chesthe oka meaning untadi, all hairless widows buggal pressing only no matter
 

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cpm allegations aa... sodi lo leni party septe enti.. thread kooda bokka
 

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Lenin:

USA vadu manala ni use cheskuntadu tappa, mana ki use avadu...once after Chinese economy started to decline (which is already on it's way) and the local pressure mounts on the govt to feed their own people, they will not ruffle the feathers of the neighbours like what they are doing now...US will dump India




If China really doesn't ruffle feathers of others...
India doesn't need to buy so much advanced military equipment. It may as well be "India dumps US". It's just the perspective difference.
 

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Lenin:

Happyguy

with these deals we loose sovereignty...The benefits will not scale up to the level they publicize

on the surface it seems like we have gained some thing but in fact we will still borne the liability in case of a damage...

first u tell me, why Modi opposed the same deal when he was in opposition?




You brought up Nuke Deal. Why are you asking me to provide details?
As you brought up Nuke Deal - please provide your view as to what's the loss and what's the gain.

Please don't talk in platitudes or in ambiguous language. Please be specific.

On one hand you claim that the word "Country" is detrimental to mankind. On the other you talk about giving up sovereignty. vaarevah....In one single post, you can truly talk like a chameleon.

So - unless you've facts to backup your conclusions.....you will most definitely be treated as a "prototype communist", which you claim not to be.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 07:14 pm:       

Bharat...

introspect man...for a country like India , there is no need to invite unsolicited dangers from these kind of deals

USA vadu manala ni use cheskuntadu tappa, mana ki use avadu...once after Chinese economy started to decline (which is already on it's way) and the local pressure mounts on the govt to feed their own people, they will not ruffle the feathers of the neighbours like what they are doing now...US will dump India

My only worry is, by that time USA will not bring new enemies to India!
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Americans will never allow transfer of technology or sale until we concede something they need......We desperately need advanced technology....how long will DRDO keep on reinventing the wheel?
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 07:07 pm:       

akkada Pak+China chettapattalu esukuni tiruguthunnayi......our entire land border is exposed ....inaa non=alignment ankuntoo kusunte sanka naakipotham....kanisam inko 25 years manaki America support avasaram
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 07:06 pm:       

The most important factor for going after Nuke deal is

US Agents can successfully suppress the dissent voices compared to any other nation...one more Koodankulam kind of delay may not happen


Any way, we are happy, we live far from those places, we don't even have any properties, our lives are not at stake...we can think of only 'Country' , the greatest word invented by the mankind
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 07:03 pm:       

Happyguy

with these deals we loose sovereignty...The benefits will not scale up to the level they publicize

on the surface it seems like we have gained some thing but in fact we will still borne the liability in case of a damage...

first u tell me, why Modi opposed the same deal when he was in opposition?
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 06:55 pm:       


Lenin:

it's like another Nuke deal




dayachEsi cheppanDi - what did we lose with Nuke Deal?
What did we gain with Nuke Deal?

What does the balance sheet look like right now? And for future?

Don't just use one agreement's name and say that that is bad without details. That is, if you don't want to be treated as a "prototype communist"
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 06:55 pm:       

asalu mutual collaberation programs emi lekunda direct technology exchange ante evadu oppukuntadu..may be these are the initial steps towards that. manaku peddha labham lekunna fine, but should make sure, there is no loss
 

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Lenin:

I've asked the clarification about the use of this so called 'bilateral' agreement...I think u know, what's a bilateral agreement

I will listen if u can tell me, how much India will benefit and how much US will benefit..




Earlier I posted experts opinions

Now another link with more details

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/mano har-parrikar-signs-key-logistics-defence-pact-with-us-300458 1/

In a statement, the Ministry of Defence said the âagreement does not create any obligation on either party to carry out any joint activityâ and âdoes not provide for the establishment of any bases or basing arrangementsâ.
Maintaining that âreciprocal logistic support would be used exclusively during authorised port visits, joint exercises, joint training, and humanitarian assistance and disaster relief effortsâ, it did underline that âlogistics support for any other cooperative effort shall only be provided on a case-by-case basis through prior mutual consent of the parties, consistent with their respective laws, regulations and policiesâ.
âLogistic support, supplies, and services include food, water, billeting, transportation, petroleum, oils, lubricants, clothing, communication services, medical services, storage services, training services, spare parts and components, repair and maintenance services, calibration services and port services⦠Provision of logistic support, supplies, and services from one party to the other would be in return for either cash payment or the reciprocal provision of logistic support, supplies, and services,â the Ministry said.


The only similar case of an Indian agreement with a major power was the Indo-Soviet Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation in August 1971 just ahead of the Bangladesh war. But even that agreement was strategic in nature, with little cooperation at the level of the two militaries. The LEMOA, in contrast, allows Indian and American militaries to operate closely by using each otherâs bases for logistics support.
Delhiâs insistence on making India-specific changes also led to a change of the agreementâs name from LSA to LEMOA. The US has signed the LSA with more than 60 countries and it has a standard text. As the Indian government insisted on various clauses to assuage concerns of unfettered access and US military bases on Indian soil, the text was amended and the agreement rechristened LEMOA.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 06:54 pm:       


Lenin:

Am not that kind of prototype communist that u r thinking




But that's exactly how your posts are portraying you annai.

You didn't start on a neutral note...You started with "This is detrimental to our strategic autonomy. We became a colony of USA" etc etc.

We only signed a logistics agreement - that can be beneficial when the time arises. What is wrong in that? Please enlighten us.

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 06:49 pm:       

People here supporting this deal sound preposterous and over optimistic

Do u really think India can counter China's strength over South China sea by signing these kind of Unilateral agreements


it's like another Nuke deal...If we want to grow our strength it should be by technology exchange program , as we will gain more by that
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 06:45 pm:       

@Telugu Hero

Am not that kind of prototype communist that u r thinking

I've asked the clarification about the use of this so called 'bilateral' agreement...I think u know, what's a bilateral agreement

I will listen if u can tell me, how much India will benefit and how much US will benefit..
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 06:43 pm:       

Basically it is about a protocol that allows both sides to exchange logistic supplies. The classic example is if, say, an Indian naval ship is in Southeast Asia and needs fuel at short notice, and a US tanker is in the near vicinity � the latter can provide the fuel to the Indian vessel//

this part sounds reasonable
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 06:43 pm:       

Farmer...

USA vadu andarini kelukutadu kada...India ki use em ledu dani valla

vadiki already Singapore, Japan, Korea lo naval base undi

mana trade route kooda kadu adi...I mean ekkuva use cheyam
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 06:41 pm:       

Aa southeast Asian countries anni kuda are looking up to USA as they don't have the means to fight against china
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 06:32 pm:       


Lenin:


China tho disputes unte, South China sea lo China dominance tagginchataniki eduru choosthunna countries tho chethulu kalapochu


hehe....dood...nuvvu cheppina south china sea daggara US is moving into five philippines air bases....
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 06:31 pm:       

@Enigmatic

am not asking for FAQs..it's a bilateral program...that means mana ki oka 40% aina use undali kada..where can u see that use antenna, do u think mana ki antha capacity unda on a regular base US base la ni use cheskotaniki
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Lenin:

@Telugu Hero

this agreement will be useful to only USA...not India

am not going to follow those eye wash articles




This is the problem with communists/left and they would like to participate in discussions,but they don't have patience and never tolerate/respect other people opinions.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 06:30 pm:       

i agree with lenin, to some extent. This is not exactly the same as having US base in India though.

Is this a new precedent or we have a similar deal with Russia in the past?
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 06:28 pm:       


Lenin:



well said. EMC2 ki mari idho alavatu. prathi thread lo ddori edupu anta vuntadu. perantamu threads lo tappa elagu ee opinion discussion cheyyadu. vucha takkuva voopudu ekkuva.

Coming to topic, i think its benefcial. ith china and pakisthan getting closer, we have to strategic partners
the story of YCP and TDP in 2014 (AP)- http://goo.gl/zgrYmQ
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the story of TDP in 2014 (T) - http://goo.gl/nyu1Wu
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 06:25 pm:       

http://m.thehindu.com/news/national/lemoa-is-not-a-military- alliance-pact-expert/article9051378.ece
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 06:23 pm:       

@Rising Star

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 06:21 pm:       

@ Enigmatic

Japan Korea Singapore lo unde US base lu manakem use avuthai...am really puzzled
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Lenin:

K mooskuni thengeyyi, edupu ane word chesetatlu aithe

ikkade denkichukunta ante thenkichuko...neeku nen response iyya




enduku frustration meeki?
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India kanna us ki ekkuva war ships and infra vundi world lo chala chotla. Nothing wrong in using them.
 

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@EMC2

K mooskuni thengeyyi, edupu ane word chesetatlu aithe

ikkade denkichukunta ante thenkichuko...neeku nen response iyya
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@Enigmatic

We should be flexible to serve the interests of USA...I agree, with this agreement CPEC will be in dole drums now
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 06:10 pm:       

Lenin unkl comedy kakapothe dantlo secret emundi

Ilanti negative news pattukuni edche Kante positive news teesukovachi happy ga feel avochu kada

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prajasakathi aa lol
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Lenin:

maku China ni thenge dammu ledu




correct aa gaa , we lost a war to them and can never compete with them ..

If any one writes anything in China against them , they will be no more
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Non alignment ani addukutine desalato tirigithe Emi vastundi. India was just a chamcha to Russia and was dependent on them for technology and arms earlier. There are no permanent friends or foes. We should be flexible in terms of foreign policy
 

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@Telugu Hero

this agreement will be useful to only USA...not India

am not going to follow those eye wash articles
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@Happydays

Sovereignty anedi okati untundi kada..nationalism gurinchi chest iruchukuni cheppakoodadu itlanti deals cheskunetapudu

maku China ni thenge dammu ledu...evado okadi kallu pattukunte tappa ani cheppali
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http://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/expe rts-welcome-india-us-military-logistics-agreement-1160830010 99_1.html

Experts welcome India-US military logistics agreement

Strategic expert and Director of Society for Policy Studies C Uday Bhaskar termed the agreement as a delayed, but welcome move.

"Basically it is about a protocol that allows both sides to exchange logistic supplies. The classic example is if, say, an Indian naval ship is in Southeast Asia and needs fuel at short notice, and a US tanker is in the near vicinity â the latter can provide the fuel to the Indian vessel," Bhaskar told IANS.

"It is a bit like an ATM card for basic supplies. Something that covers the bandwidth of logistic supplies, like water, fuel, food, etc. If needed, it will facilitate access to repair facilities as well. For example, if a military aircraft or ship is outside the radius of Indian maintenance facilities, and requires some urgent repair and if the other side has the capacity, it can be provided. The quid pro is if the US requires such assistance, India will provide the same," Bhaskar said.

"However, since they (US) are a larger military power, India will stand to benefit and LEMOA enhances India's operational reach and sustainability," he added.

Bhaskar also clarified that this does not mean India is a part of the US military bloc.

"But this does not imply we become a US military ally. We are not obliged to provide support to any and every US military operation in the region. Every LEMOA arrangement has to be negotiated in advance," he said.

"It will be more useful in case of humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. It does make you a partner in terms of providing public good, whether it is anti piracy or tsunami relief."

Member of Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses (IDSA)'s Defence Economics and Industry Centre, Laxman Behera, called it a "step forward" in consolidating the India-US strategic partnership.

"This is one step further in consolidating India-US partnership in defence. It was long overdue, and will provide a framework for logistics support," Behera told IANS.

Behera said it will benefit the Navy the most, as ships can use logistics support
 

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Lenin:




dEsaaniki naya paisa upayogam ledantaaru...
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 05:51 pm:       

India's stand was, is and should always be non alignment with strategic regional relations

US ki official ga thoka ayyamu manamu e agreement tho along with Nuke deal
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 05:48 pm:       

As I said, it's just attracting unwanted enemies for India...absolute pointless move
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 05:46 pm:       

Link annai

China tho disputes unte, South China sea lo China dominance tagginchataniki eduru choosthunna countries tho chethulu kalapochu

why USA ? USA vadu Pakistan ni base ga use cheskuni em chesadu...he effectively screwed Pakistan...nothing apart from that
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 05:45 pm:       

Mr.Manohar Parikar

Can u pls explain a bewildered Indian like me that which US air base will be more useful for India for repairs and replenishments?
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 05:40 pm:       


Lenin:



Lenin:




Chaina manaki pakkalo ballem..

idi better for us.. need not worry
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 05:40 pm:       

@Ntr_fan
Russia place lo USSR undi, India ni Communist lu rule chesta USSR tho India ilanti agreement chesina kooda nen communist la meeda ummesevadini

In what way it is good for India...pls explain

are we, in our life time or at least in next few decades, going to see India using US military base to refuel our combat planes
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 05:36 pm:       

why? its good no..US is a better partner than Russia..communist party's are irrelevant in today's world..
 

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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 05:36 pm:       

Logistics exchange program aa USA tho...

ne bathukki asalu self respect anedi edisindaa picha na dash ga...what exactly is the use for India in this?

mana life time lo US base ni okasari aina use cheskuntama?

inka poyi NATO lo join avvu ra dhed dhimak ga
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 05:34 pm:       

http://www.prajasakti.com/Article/World/1836654

emi ra Modi ga..nee valla deasniki upayogam

thoo nee bathuku cheda
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