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Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2016 - 04:15 am:       

Major Update
Got offer letter from product company, Airbus India. Madhyalo okasari chesi 'palana' ani cheppakunda I am not bothered about money and whatever I asked is not mandatory ani cheppa. Vadi inthakamundu entha isthanu annadoo anthe ichi + 2 lacs joining bonus istunnadu (1 lac penchadu) with some terms n conditions.

Now its time to decide between Services company, TechM and Airbus. Termi and Chanakya, You got your answers for company name and Joining bonus.
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 09:34 am:       


~chirutha~:

UPDATEGot a call from Consultant saying.. HR indeed gave negative feedback after that negotiation call. But the thing is there are people who are still keen on me. Consultant vaadi baadha vaadidi. Do not mind gatekeepers (HRs) while entering a temple/cinema-hall (Company) ani gnan upadesh istunnadu Take whatever they give ani soltunnadu.
Will update after any talk with HR.




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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 09:29 am:       


~chirutha~:

Should I call them and say.. I am ready to join with the earlier offered salary. How should I proceed..




idhi mari desperation aipoddi annay, in my opinion you don't need to do this, lokuvai potharu, it gives them the feeling that, he will jump right away if he gets more pay in 2-3 months
 

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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 07:43 am:       

is the job FTE or Consulting? because its little confusing as you are talking about consultant. FTE recruiter is what you mean?

If its FTE, does the job involve any special skills where its hard to find a another candidate? - deeniki yes ayite I will not call back the product company immediately, and if its No then also I will never call back the product company as I have already lost my opportunity.

If some team has interviewed you and made you offer thru HR, you should reach out to the team not HR as HR is just middleman
 

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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 07:32 am:       


~chirutha~:

HR indeed gave negative feedback after that negotiation call




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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 07:22 am:       


~chirutha~:

Are you saying there wouldn't be a gain talking to him? Athani pai manager tho ipati daka discussion jaragaledu.




maatladithe vache nastam aithe emi ledhu kadha brother. Just one call and see how he responds. Positive ga respond aithe happies, avvakapoina meeku kothaga vache nastam emi ledhu kadha
 

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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 07:19 am:       


From Vijayawada, staying in Bangalore
 

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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 07:17 am:       

UPDATEGot a call from Consultant saying.. HR indeed gave negative feedback after that negotiation call. But the thing is there are people who are still keen on me. Consultant vaadi baadha vaadidi. Do not mind gatekeepers (HRs) while entering a temple/cinema-hall (Company) ani gnan upadesh istunnadu :-) Take whatever they give ani soltunnadu.
Will update after any talk with HR.
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 07:13 am:       


Darth_vader:

also offer pampina mail ki reply all kottu not just over the phone.


No offer yet. Offer istham ani call chesinapudu jarigina salary negotiation adi.

Shikari:

em mohamata padaku..vaademi mee edurintodu kadhu kadha.weighing my options,mee Co. tho vellatam best anipinchindhi.I am ready to take your offer if it still open.


+1, asalu mohamatam ledu.

Junior_no1:

nuvvu aadiki kavali antey aadu ninnu vadaldu,i think HR will get back to you


Logical. But HR gadu OA ekkuvayindi madhyalo! Thats where things getting slipped ani naa feeling.
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:37 am:       


~chirutha~:


also offer pampina mail ki reply all kottu not just over the phone.
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:35 am:       


~chirutha~:

Relatively hard. He is assistant manager, HR. Are you saying there wouldn't be a gain talking to him? Athani pai manager tho ipati daka discussion jaragaledu.


hmm... say you're ready to accept the offer ani and if they don't get back within a day or two then move on.
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:28 am:       


~chirutha~:


em mohamata padaku..vaademi mee edurintodu kadhu kadha.weighing my options,mee Co. tho vellatam best anipinchindhi.I am ready to take your offer if it still open.begi cheppandi ye vishayam..Company1 vallaki ye vishayam cheppali ani cheppu(over avudhi anukunte ee sentence lepeyyi)
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:27 am:       


~chirutha~:

4 days ayindi. Services company vadu offer pampinchadu. Have to take a decision.


nuvvu aadiki kavali antey aadu ninnu vadaldu,i think HR will get back to you
 

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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:24 am:       

Malli hr ki call chesi
I like this company and type of work. I really want to get an offer. Need not match other offer but do the best you can
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:22 am:       


Darth_vader:

how easy is it to hire someone having your skill set? And what's this hr guys position? Manager or someone above or below?? Below ayithe he is just a messenger


Relatively hard. He is assistant manager, HR. Are you saying there wouldn't be a gain talking to him? Athani pai manager tho ipati daka discussion jaragaledu.
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:20 am:       


Junior_no1:

sit tight,let the HR get back to you


4 days ayindi. Services company vadu offer pampinchadu. Have to take a decision.

Darth_vader:

current company lo issues lekaoothe akkada kuda beram aadatharu kada vere offers chupinchi adhi not an option?


Current company lo nenu chese project egiripoyindi. Vere projects vethukomani one month kritham chepparu. But Im not interested. Anduke ee situation :-)
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:20 am:       


~chirutha~:


how easy is it to hire someone having your skill set? And what's this hr guys position? Manager or someone above or below?? Below ayithe he is just a messenger
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:17 am:       


~chirutha~:

Now, the question is how to go back to that company HR.


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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:16 am:       


~chirutha~:


ivvi anni kaadu kaani typical ga current company lo issues lekaoothe akkada kuda beram aadatharu kada vere offers chupinchi adhi not an option?

Anyway hr tho matladinappudu straight ga cheppey after lot of thought I think I'm a much better fit in your company blah blah so if that offer still stands well and good otherwise tata c ya bye bye aneyyi. Don't dilly dally adu malla process start chesthe that'll add one more complexity.
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:14 am:       


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Termi:


Thanks for the food for thought. I should have had this info before negotiating with that product company.

Now, the question is how to go back to that company HR. What should I say.. Should I say I am wrong in assessing the opportunities (-ve) Or should I say I have kept the other opportunity at bay in view of this.. Or just say Whats your decision if I am ready to join with the initial offered salary.
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:10 am:       


~chirutha~:



inthaki ye company? dell aa? MS aa? Google aa?
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:09 am:       


Termi:

service company vadu oka 20% ekkuva offer chesina kuda chose product company only..basic rule for all IT ppl..


That was my thought too. But vadu istanu anedanikante koddiga bar penchudam ani try chesa. Mari antha stubborn ga untadani anukoledu. Aaa HR gadi ki ekkada kalindo artham kaledu.

Darth_vader:

AAA product company antha thopaa?


Naa area of work lo manchi thopu company nee.. One of the best at Bangalore. Ikkada key Bangalore. Pune/Chennai lo avakasalu ekkuva. But dont want to go there..
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:08 am:       


~chirutha~:



1. Services company lo PM role - peddaga experience lekapoyina valla avasaram kosam naa expectations ni reach avadaniki PM role ichesaru. I was successful in negotiating the salary but at the same time afraid of PM role. I was not even a team lead before thanks to niche skill set.


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tech role lo IC ga work chesi direct ga PM role ante kashtam..
tech role lo success depends on you & how you perform..PM role ante it depends on how your team works..

pachi ga cheppali ante..PM role is like a broker role in IT industry..
so think twice before getting into such roles that too without any lead experience..
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:05 am:       

Never shop around for higher salaries. If you tell the product company HR that i got Rs. XY at another company and am angling for more, what's to prevent you from taking the product company's offer and then shop it around elsewhere. That is why in many companies, they will ask you to accept an offer in 3-4 days or else the offer will lapse. This is to prevent candidates for being in a forever-shopping mode.

Here the issue might just be that you have exceeded their band and level or have pissed of the second company's HR by mentioning so blatantly about your first offer.

But the main reason could be that - the first company way exceeded your skills/ experience in offering you a particular role and pay (because of their own requirements). Now to expect the second company also to drink the same Kool-aid is stretching things quite a bit. They are going to be guided by their own assessment of your experience and slot you in a particular grade and pay. The companies are going to be independent in their decision making. This is not an IPL auction.
 

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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:03 am:       


Darth_vader:

if you're desperate to work there them eat our ego and let the hr know that you're available to work for what ever they offered initially




don't do this..
manager drushti lo cheap ayyi..same kind of treatment vastundi once you join that company..

learn the lesson & wait for new opportunity..
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:03 am:       


~chirutha~:

ego satisfy avakapoth




mostly oppukuntadu if you eat your ego.... restarting hiring process and again negotiations ante vadiki kuda talanoppi ee kada.
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:02 am:       


~chirutha~:


deniki antha ego eating? AAA product company antha thopaa?
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:01 am:       


~chirutha~:




mastaru..maree antha khara khandi ga dobbey ani cheppi..ippudu ade kavaali ante ela?

you've lost that oppurtunity..

service company vadu oka 20% ekkuva offer chesina kuda chose product company only..basic rule for all IT ppl..
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:00 am:       


Darth_vader:


Ok. Will eat my ego first :-) Aina kuda vadi ego satisfy avakapothe ika chesedi emi ledu.. Have to take the other one.
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 05:45 am:       


~chirutha~:


same position ki valla salary band crossing emo your req.

Anyway if you're desperate to work there them eat our ego and let the hr know that you're available to work for what ever they offered initially lepothe take a hit and learn something new by taking the PM role. As long as you've passable excel skills that's more than enough to get by as a PM.
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 05:30 am:       


Darth_vader:

say so to the hr but their offer + 10% or something Mari anni metlu digisthe cheap ayyipotham


Nenu vallu offer chesina danikante 10% ee ekkuva adigindi. The situation now is different, they are not calling me back. Should I call them and say.. I am ready to join with the earlier offered salary. How should I proceed...
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 05:28 am:       


Darth_vader:

Never be definitive about your requirements. Minimum expections cheppi what else anali.


Minimum expectations cheppanu. And I didnt even say that if they are not reaching minimum expectations, I wouldnt be joining. Yep, what else lantivi try cheyyaledu. Was very focused on compensation. That was a mistake.

Darth_vader:

nuvvu emo match ante ne skill set ki AAA band salary not possible emo akkada


I didnt get this.
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 05:28 am:       

Anyway if you're keen to still work in that product company say so to the hr but their offer + 10% or something Mari anni metlu digisthe cheap ayyipotham
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 05:22 am:       


~chirutha~:

Ilanti vatilloo experience unna vallu matrame salaha ivvagalaru


you didn't leave much wriggle room for the hr to come back to you. Never be definitive about your requirements. Minimum expections cheppi what else anali. nuvvu emo match ante ne skill set ki AAA band salary not possible emo akkada
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Posted on Monday, May 09, 2016 - 05:14 am:       

Recent ga kotha jobs anveshana lo paddanu and ipudu paristhiti idi

1. Services company lo PM role - peddaga experience lekapoyina valla avasaram kosam naa expectations ni reach avadaniki PM role ichesaru. I was successful in negotiating the salary but at the same time afraid of PM role. I was not even a team lead before thanks to niche skill set.

2. Product company lo - Services company lo chesina negotiation skills try chesanu. Backfired big time.
What I spoke -
1. Market standards are high
2. There are services companies that are ready to afford so and so salary, really surprising that you cant!
3. I got an offer with that particular services company for so and so salary.
HR said, he would try to reach my expectations. But never called. When I called him back he says they are planning to repeat the hiring process trying to find a new one! :-(

Where did I go wrong. What should I do if I have to get back that offer. I am ready to settle with what he first offered. Ilanti vatilloo experience unna vallu matrame salaha ivvagalaru :-)
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